Guest guest Posted April 6, 2007 Report Share Posted April 6, 2007 Dear Kulbir ji, We are a small family. In the family you do not have to say sorry to your equals. We are all equal here. I didn't realise that you were giving a list of karak objects according to the planets and the houses given in the Lal Kitab on pages 1005-8 { 1952ed}. Had you begun with Jupiter,Sun,moon etc I would have got it immediately. Since the list was not in that order I misunderstood the list. with regards, Chandra Prakash , kulbir bains <kulbirbains wrote: > > SORRY SIR, i totaly disagree with u on this point if dhaniya is for rahu in house no 4. and lead and nariyal for rahu 11 both shah of rahu but there is a stark difference, then upaa has to follow house accordingly. perhaps inadvertantly u r following the dalda books not me. > how can u remove the house i simply can't understand. yes there are upaas like ghanto mein asar ya emergency upayas but here we are trying to understand the book in its full essence. > kulbir bains > > cptyagi2007 <cptyagi2007 wrote: > Dear Kulbir ji, > > Simply superb, a very exaustive list. > > But let us stick to the planet and the karak objects part of the > list. It is not advisable to mention the houses. By doing so we > would be committing the same mistake which the bazaar books have > made. > > A karak object of a planet can be used by a Lal Kitab scholar in > various upaya in different forms. For example Gur or wheat as the > karak objects of the Sun will be advised to be gifted at a temple if > Rahu is there in the 1st house, because the Rahu will eclipse the > Sun where ever it is placed. If the Sun is manda in the 3rd house > the Gur could be given to young kanyas, if the Sun is in the 8th > house Gur can be buried in a glass bottle in a cremation ground.... > and so on. > > If you are qouting from the book any upaya, then a house along with > the karak can be mentioned. Like in your list you have mentioned the > karaks and the houses, if you mention the houses then you have to > mention the use of that karak object in an upaya as suggested by the > Lal Kitab for that house. > > Adding a few more karaks : > > peela neebu = jupiter + ketu > Bargad { banyan tree } = jupiter + moon > Flower of Anaar{pomegranate} = mars [ malefic} > Sun flower = Sun + jupiter > Mango tree = Saturn + mercury > chhuare { dry dates } = Saturn + mars > Nariyal = rahu > Lehsora tree = mercury { malefic } > > Regards, > > Chandra Prakash > > , " kulbirbains " > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > First of all lets categorize them as per shyans of houses and > > planets. > > 1. plants and their products;-; > > 1. saunf for 1st house mars; > > 2. keekar for 1st Saturn; > > 3. dal sabot mungi for 2nd mercury; matter/peas for 2nd > > mercury; > > 4. jaggery , bajra for 2nd sun; > > 5. potato camphor and ginger stands for 2nd house venus; > > 6. daalchanna,haldi for 2nd jupiter; > > 7. daal mah sabot, kaali mirch,kale chane, safed or kabuli > > chane, chandan lakdi for 2nd Saturn; > > 8. sarson for 2nd rahu; > > 9. imli, til for 2nd ketu; > > 10. rice for 2nd moon > > 11. chiratya for 3rd moon, > > 12. chaure patton wala drakhat for budh 3rd; > > 13. jaun for 3rd > > 14. tree khajhur, teak, abnoos,shahbaloot timber for saturn3rd > > 15. dhak, dek tree lal mirchi for 4th mars, > > 16. chill, deodar kail for 4th saturn; > > 17. dhaniya for 4th rahu > > 18. kesar for 5th Jupiter > > 19. bamboo for 5th budh; > > 20. milk of aak for 5th moon; > > 21. neem for 5th mars; > > 22. apple for 6th jupiter, > > 23. flowers, mango tree for 6th budh; > > 24. beri for 6th Saturn; > > 25. onion,garlic for 6th ketu; > > 26. chari for 7th venus; > > 27. green grass for 7th budh; > > 28. coconut for rahu 7th > > 29. ajavayan, dal masoor, creepers with small leaves,anar for > > 7th mars; > > 30. jimmikand,carrot for 8th venus; > > 31. dead flower or flower used on funeral for budh 8th; > > 32. green forest for budh 9th > > 33. sookha peepal for 10th jupiter; > > 34. opium for 10th moon; > > 35. kapas for 10th venus; > > 36. khaand/sugar for 10th mars; > > 37. peepal live for 12th jupiter; > > 38. gilo for 12th mars; > > 39. Mango fruit for Jupiter and shani; > > 40. banana tree for budh. > > 41. shesham, aak, falahi, madar, old food for building material > > for Saturn 9th, > > 42. dry grass, heeng for budh 10th; edible oil for Saturn 10th; > > 43. banana fruit for ketu 12th; > > 44. almonds for Saturn 12th; > > > > kindly check if i have missed something or there is some mistake > in > > the list. > > kulbir bains. > > > HereÂ's a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2007 Report Share Posted April 6, 2007 point taken sir, i shall categorize them in a more simplified and practical manner kulbir bains --- In , " cptyagi2007 " <cptyagi2007 wrote: > > Dear Kulbir ji, > > We are a small family. In the family you do not have to say sorry to > your equals. We are all equal here. > > I didn't realise that you were giving a list of karak objects > according to the planets and the houses given in the Lal Kitab on > pages 1005-8 { 1952ed}. > > Had you begun with Jupiter,Sun,moon etc I would have got it > immediately. Since the list was not in that order I misunderstood > the list. > > with regards, > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > , kulbir bains > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > SORRY SIR, i totaly disagree with u on this point if dhaniya is > for rahu in house no 4. and lead and nariyal for rahu 11 both shah > of rahu but there is a stark difference, then upaa has to follow > house accordingly. perhaps inadvertantly u r following the dalda > books not me. > > how can u remove the house i simply can't understand. yes there > are upaas like ghanto mein asar ya emergency upayas but here we are > trying to understand the book in its full essence. > > > kulbir bains > > > > cptyagi2007 <cptyagi2007@> wrote: > > Dear Kulbir ji, > > > > Simply superb, a very exaustive list. > > > > But let us stick to the planet and the karak objects part of the > > list. It is not advisable to mention the houses. By doing so we > > would be committing the same mistake which the bazaar books have > > made. > > > > A karak object of a planet can be used by a Lal Kitab scholar in > > various upaya in different forms. For example Gur or wheat as the > > karak objects of the Sun will be advised to be gifted at a temple > if > > Rahu is there in the 1st house, because the Rahu will eclipse the > > Sun where ever it is placed. If the Sun is manda in the 3rd house > > the Gur could be given to young kanyas, if the Sun is in the 8th > > house Gur can be buried in a glass bottle in a cremation > ground.... > > and so on. > > > > If you are qouting from the book any upaya, then a house along > with > > the karak can be mentioned. Like in your list you have mentioned > the > > karaks and the houses, if you mention the houses then you have to > > mention the use of that karak object in an upaya as suggested by > the > > Lal Kitab for that house. > > > > Adding a few more karaks : > > > > peela neebu = jupiter + ketu > > Bargad { banyan tree } = jupiter + moon > > Flower of Anaar{pomegranate} = mars [ malefic} > > Sun flower = Sun + jupiter > > Mango tree = Saturn + mercury > > chhuare { dry dates } = Saturn + mars > > Nariyal = rahu > > Lehsora tree = mercury { malefic } > > > > Regards, > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > , " kulbirbains " > > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > First of all lets categorize them as per shyans of houses and > > > planets. > > > 1. plants and their products;-; > > > 1. saunf for 1st house mars; > > > 2. keekar for 1st Saturn; > > > 3. dal sabot mungi for 2nd mercury; matter/peas for 2nd > > > mercury; > > > 4. jaggery , bajra for 2nd sun; > > > 5. potato camphor and ginger stands for 2nd house venus; > > > 6. daalchanna,haldi for 2nd jupiter; > > > 7. daal mah sabot, kaali mirch,kale chane, safed or kabuli > > > chane, chandan lakdi for 2nd Saturn; > > > 8. sarson for 2nd rahu; > > > 9. imli, til for 2nd ketu; > > > 10. rice for 2nd moon > > > 11. chiratya for 3rd moon, > > > 12. chaure patton wala drakhat for budh 3rd; > > > 13. jaun for 3rd > > > 14. tree khajhur, teak, abnoos,shahbaloot timber for saturn3rd > > > 15. dhak, dek tree lal mirchi for 4th mars, > > > 16. chill, deodar kail for 4th saturn; > > > 17. dhaniya for 4th rahu > > > 18. kesar for 5th Jupiter > > > 19. bamboo for 5th budh; > > > 20. milk of aak for 5th moon; > > > 21. neem for 5th mars; > > > 22. apple for 6th jupiter, > > > 23. flowers, mango tree for 6th budh; > > > 24. beri for 6th Saturn; > > > 25. onion,garlic for 6th ketu; > > > 26. chari for 7th venus; > > > 27. green grass for 7th budh; > > > 28. coconut for rahu 7th > > > 29. ajavayan, dal masoor, creepers with small leaves,anar for > > > 7th mars; > > > 30. jimmikand,carrot for 8th venus; > > > 31. dead flower or flower used on funeral for budh 8th; > > > 32. green forest for budh 9th > > > 33. sookha peepal for 10th jupiter; > > > 34. opium for 10th moon; > > > 35. kapas for 10th venus; > > > 36. khaand/sugar for 10th mars; > > > 37. peepal live for 12th jupiter; > > > 38. gilo for 12th mars; > > > 39. Mango fruit for Jupiter and shani; > > > 40. banana tree for budh. > > > 41. shesham, aak, falahi, madar, old food for building material > > > for Saturn 9th, > > > 42. dry grass, heeng for budh 10th; edible oil for Saturn 10th; > > > 43. banana fruit for ketu 12th; > > > 44. almonds for Saturn 12th; > > > > > > kindly check if i have missed something or there is some mistake > > in > > > the list. > > > kulbir bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HereÂ's a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2007 Report Share Posted April 6, 2007 Dear Kulbir ji, We are a small family. In the family you do not have to say sorry to your equals. We are all equal here. I didn't realise that you were giving a list of karak objects according to the planets and the houses given in the Lal Kitab on pages 1005-8 { 1952ed}. Had you begun with Jupiter,Sun,moon etc I would have got it immediately. Since the list was not in that order I misunderstood the list. with regards, Chandra Prakash , kulbir bains <kulbirbains wrote: > > SORRY SIR, i totaly disagree with u on this point if dhaniya is for rahu in house no 4. and lead and nariyal for rahu 11 both shah of rahu but there is a stark difference, then upaa has to follow house accordingly. perhaps inadvertantly u r following the dalda books not me. > how can u remove the house i simply can't understand. yes there are upaas like ghanto mein asar ya emergency upayas but here we are trying to understand the book in its full essence. > kulbir bains > > cptyagi2007 <cptyagi2007 wrote: > Dear Kulbir ji, > > Simply superb, a very exaustive list. > > But let us stick to the planet and the karak objects part of the > list. It is not advisable to mention the houses. By doing so we > would be committing the same mistake which the bazaar books have > made. > > A karak object of a planet can be used by a Lal Kitab scholar in > various upaya in different forms. For example Gur or wheat as the > karak objects of the Sun will be advised to be gifted at a temple if > Rahu is there in the 1st house, because the Rahu will eclipse the > Sun where ever it is placed. If the Sun is manda in the 3rd house > the Gur could be given to young kanyas, if the Sun is in the 8th > house Gur can be buried in a glass bottle in a cremation ground.... > and so on. > > If you are qouting from the book any upaya, then a house along with > the karak can be mentioned. Like in your list you have mentioned the > karaks and the houses, if you mention the houses then you have to > mention the use of that karak object in an upaya as suggested by the > Lal Kitab for that house. > > Adding a few more karaks : > > peela neebu = jupiter + ketu > Bargad { banyan tree } = jupiter + moon > Flower of Anaar{pomegranate} = mars [ malefic} > Sun flower = Sun + jupiter > Mango tree = Saturn + mercury > chhuare { dry dates } = Saturn + mars > Nariyal = rahu > Lehsora tree = mercury { malefic } > > Regards, > > Chandra Prakash > > , " kulbirbains " > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > First of all lets categorize them as per shyans of houses and > > planets. > > 1. plants and their products;-; > > 1. saunf for 1st house mars; > > 2. keekar for 1st Saturn; > > 3. dal sabot mungi for 2nd mercury; matter/peas for 2nd > > mercury; > > 4. jaggery , bajra for 2nd sun; > > 5. potato camphor and ginger stands for 2nd house venus; > > 6. daalchanna,haldi for 2nd jupiter; > > 7. daal mah sabot, kaali mirch,kale chane, safed or kabuli > > chane, chandan lakdi for 2nd Saturn; > > 8. sarson for 2nd rahu; > > 9. imli, til for 2nd ketu; > > 10. rice for 2nd moon > > 11. chiratya for 3rd moon, > > 12. chaure patton wala drakhat for budh 3rd; > > 13. jaun for 3rd > > 14. tree khajhur, teak, abnoos,shahbaloot timber for saturn3rd > > 15. dhak, dek tree lal mirchi for 4th mars, > > 16. chill, deodar kail for 4th saturn; > > 17. dhaniya for 4th rahu > > 18. kesar for 5th Jupiter > > 19. bamboo for 5th budh; > > 20. milk of aak for 5th moon; > > 21. neem for 5th mars; > > 22. apple for 6th jupiter, > > 23. flowers, mango tree for 6th budh; > > 24. beri for 6th Saturn; > > 25. onion,garlic for 6th ketu; > > 26. chari for 7th venus; > > 27. green grass for 7th budh; > > 28. coconut for rahu 7th > > 29. ajavayan, dal masoor, creepers with small leaves,anar for > > 7th mars; > > 30. jimmikand,carrot for 8th venus; > > 31. dead flower or flower used on funeral for budh 8th; > > 32. green forest for budh 9th > > 33. sookha peepal for 10th jupiter; > > 34. opium for 10th moon; > > 35. kapas for 10th venus; > > 36. khaand/sugar for 10th mars; > > 37. peepal live for 12th jupiter; > > 38. gilo for 12th mars; > > 39. Mango fruit for Jupiter and shani; > > 40. banana tree for budh. > > 41. shesham, aak, falahi, madar, old food for building material > > for Saturn 9th, > > 42. dry grass, heeng for budh 10th; edible oil for Saturn 10th; > > 43. banana fruit for ketu 12th; > > 44. almonds for Saturn 12th; > > > > kindly check if i have missed something or there is some mistake > in > > the list. > > kulbir bains. > > > HereÂ's a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2007 Report Share Posted April 6, 2007 point taken sir, i shall categorize them in a more simplified and practical manner kulbir bains --- In , " cptyagi2007 " <cptyagi2007 wrote: > > Dear Kulbir ji, > > We are a small family. In the family you do not have to say sorry to > your equals. We are all equal here. > > I didn't realise that you were giving a list of karak objects > according to the planets and the houses given in the Lal Kitab on > pages 1005-8 { 1952ed}. > > Had you begun with Jupiter,Sun,moon etc I would have got it > immediately. Since the list was not in that order I misunderstood > the list. > > with regards, > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > , kulbir bains > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > SORRY SIR, i totaly disagree with u on this point if dhaniya is > for rahu in house no 4. and lead and nariyal for rahu 11 both shah > of rahu but there is a stark difference, then upaa has to follow > house accordingly. perhaps inadvertantly u r following the dalda > books not me. > > how can u remove the house i simply can't understand. yes there > are upaas like ghanto mein asar ya emergency upayas but here we are > trying to understand the book in its full essence. > > > kulbir bains > > > > cptyagi2007 <cptyagi2007@> wrote: > > Dear Kulbir ji, > > > > Simply superb, a very exaustive list. > > > > But let us stick to the planet and the karak objects part of the > > list. It is not advisable to mention the houses. By doing so we > > would be committing the same mistake which the bazaar books have > > made. > > > > A karak object of a planet can be used by a Lal Kitab scholar in > > various upaya in different forms. For example Gur or wheat as the > > karak objects of the Sun will be advised to be gifted at a temple > if > > Rahu is there in the 1st house, because the Rahu will eclipse the > > Sun where ever it is placed. If the Sun is manda in the 3rd house > > the Gur could be given to young kanyas, if the Sun is in the 8th > > house Gur can be buried in a glass bottle in a cremation > ground.... > > and so on. > > > > If you are qouting from the book any upaya, then a house along > with > > the karak can be mentioned. Like in your list you have mentioned > the > > karaks and the houses, if you mention the houses then you have to > > mention the use of that karak object in an upaya as suggested by > the > > Lal Kitab for that house. > > > > Adding a few more karaks : > > > > peela neebu = jupiter + ketu > > Bargad { banyan tree } = jupiter + moon > > Flower of Anaar{pomegranate} = mars [ malefic} > > Sun flower = Sun + jupiter > > Mango tree = Saturn + mercury > > chhuare { dry dates } = Saturn + mars > > Nariyal = rahu > > Lehsora tree = mercury { malefic } > > > > Regards, > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > , " kulbirbains " > > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > First of all lets categorize them as per shyans of houses and > > > planets. > > > 1. plants and their products;-; > > > 1. saunf for 1st house mars; > > > 2. keekar for 1st Saturn; > > > 3. dal sabot mungi for 2nd mercury; matter/peas for 2nd > > > mercury; > > > 4. jaggery , bajra for 2nd sun; > > > 5. potato camphor and ginger stands for 2nd house venus; > > > 6. daalchanna,haldi for 2nd jupiter; > > > 7. daal mah sabot, kaali mirch,kale chane, safed or kabuli > > > chane, chandan lakdi for 2nd Saturn; > > > 8. sarson for 2nd rahu; > > > 9. imli, til for 2nd ketu; > > > 10. rice for 2nd moon > > > 11. chiratya for 3rd moon, > > > 12. chaure patton wala drakhat for budh 3rd; > > > 13. jaun for 3rd > > > 14. tree khajhur, teak, abnoos,shahbaloot timber for saturn3rd > > > 15. dhak, dek tree lal mirchi for 4th mars, > > > 16. chill, deodar kail for 4th saturn; > > > 17. dhaniya for 4th rahu > > > 18. kesar for 5th Jupiter > > > 19. bamboo for 5th budh; > > > 20. milk of aak for 5th moon; > > > 21. neem for 5th mars; > > > 22. apple for 6th jupiter, > > > 23. flowers, mango tree for 6th budh; > > > 24. beri for 6th Saturn; > > > 25. onion,garlic for 6th ketu; > > > 26. chari for 7th venus; > > > 27. green grass for 7th budh; > > > 28. coconut for rahu 7th > > > 29. ajavayan, dal masoor, creepers with small leaves,anar for > > > 7th mars; > > > 30. jimmikand,carrot for 8th venus; > > > 31. dead flower or flower used on funeral for budh 8th; > > > 32. green forest for budh 9th > > > 33. sookha peepal for 10th jupiter; > > > 34. opium for 10th moon; > > > 35. kapas for 10th venus; > > > 36. khaand/sugar for 10th mars; > > > 37. peepal live for 12th jupiter; > > > 38. gilo for 12th mars; > > > 39. Mango fruit for Jupiter and shani; > > > 40. banana tree for budh. > > > 41. shesham, aak, falahi, madar, old food for building material > > > for Saturn 9th, > > > 42. dry grass, heeng for budh 10th; edible oil for Saturn 10th; > > > 43. banana fruit for ketu 12th; > > > 44. almonds for Saturn 12th; > > > > > > kindly check if i have missed something or there is some mistake > > in > > > the list. > > > kulbir bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HereÂ's a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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