Guest guest Posted April 7, 2007 Report Share Posted April 7, 2007 Dear Members, Assuming that the native has done all the upaya with full faith and regularity keeping in mind all the rules and still the upaya have failed. In this case, there can be no other excuse except that the astrologer had failed to either diagnose the problem properly or to prescribe the correct upaya. For a person like me who examines some 10-15 horoscopes every day, this happens every now and then. The mistake occurs at my end. It could occur at any of the following steps At times it becomes difficult to pin point the exact problem from the long winding narrative posted by the native. Invariably the first post is more of pouring out of the heart than to state the problem. It is always advisable to make the native send his problem in a brief note. This problem would not occur if the native is there in front of you in a personal one to one chat. Once the problem is known the next step is to identify the planet/s which might be causing this problem. This is where there are maximum chances of going wrong. One slip and you are off the tangent. In my experience I have found that the mistakes are committed because we do not pay adequate attention to the less talked about concepts of the Lal Kitab. Let me give you an example, I got a message in my group from a couple who didn’t have a child. The doctors confirmed that there was no physical deformity. I looked at both the charts, husband’s and wife’s , and didn’t find any of the planetary combinations that could either deny or delay progeny. On the contrary in the chart of the husband Mars and venus were together in the 7th house for which the book says, “ sukh sagar ho bhari kabeela, santaan pota sab phalata ho” { will be happy with a large family, sons and grandsons flourishing } … it further says that ‘tevewala kabhi lavald na hoga chahe uske santaan yog lakh mande hi kyon na hon’ { will not be without progeny even if he might have hundreds of manda planetary combinations of progeny}. It suddenly struck me to work out the Budh ka bhed { nature of mercury }. Mercury was placed with rahu. When I worked out the nature of mercury it turned out to be that of Venus. Now the combination turned out to be venus + rahu “ ketu gina phal shukra manda”. The upaya was done. Now they have a daughter. [ A ] Remember to work out the budh ka bhed { nature of mercury }. Mercury is a very tricky planet. Just keep an eye on him. Let me give you another example. I got a message that the native had severe trouble in his spinal cord. As usual any astrologer will have a look at Ketu in the chart for any back bone problem. There was perceptibly nothing wrong with Ketu in the chart. I looked at the Vinshottari dasha to get some hint from. Nothing worth noticing there either. Finally I decided to examine the planets which could make ketu a bali ka bakara { scapegoat }. There I found that Jupiter was under duress from Mercury. Jupiter in turn passed on its onslaught over to Ketu. In this case first an upaya will have to be done to save Jupiter from the affliction of mercury , strengthen Jupiter and later the upaya for Ketu. Normally when an astrologer sees any problem with back bone he would suggest an upaya for ketu without really going at the root of the problem.. Such an upaya will fail because first the upaya has to be done of the affliction of Jupiter by mercury. [ B ] Therefore always keep an eye open for bali ka bakra { scapegoat } concept. For all we know the real cause of the problem might lie some where else. [ C ] Similarly Sahni ka swabhav { nature of Saturn}too has to be kept in mind while dealing with finances, jobs or any 10th house significations. Summarizing : Although budh ka bhed { nature of mercury }, Bali ka bakara { scapegoat } and shani ka swabhav { nature of Saturn } may not be often talked about concepts of the Lal Kitab, but in actual horoscope reading they have to be kept in mind always. These concepts are very commonly used and are very handy. By doing so, I do not claim that the mistakes would be eliminated, but I am sure they will be reduced to a minimum. Bhooshan Priya Here’s a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2007 Report Share Posted April 7, 2007 Enlightening indeed; pt. ji, may I also add in remedy failure regard that LK 1942; PAGE 62 says………. Har grah apme khanawar haal me diya hua sar diya karta hai; LEKIN AGAR KHUD JATI KOSHISH SE KOI NAYA WAQYA KHADA KARE JO IS GRAH KI MUTALQA, CHEEZON KE ASAR KE KHILAF HOVE TO ASAR ME TABDILI AA JAYEGI…. This should be checked before prescribing a remedy. Kulbir bains , Pandit Bhooshan Priya < wrote: > > Dear Members, > > Assuming that the native has done all the upaya with full faith and regularity keeping in mind all the rules and still the upaya have failed. In this case, there can be no other excuse except that the astrologer had failed to either diagnose the problem properly or to prescribe the correct upaya. > > For a person like me who examines some 10-15 horoscopes every day, this happens every now and then. The mistake occurs at my end. It could occur at any of the following steps > > At times it becomes difficult to pin point the exact problem from the long winding narrative posted by the native. Invariably the first post is more of pouring out of the heart than to state the problem. It is always advisable to make the native send his problem in a brief note. This problem would not occur if the native is there in front of you in a personal one to one chat. > > Once the problem is known the next step is to identify the planet/s which might be causing this problem. This is where there are maximum chances of going wrong. One slip and you are off the tangent. > > In my experience I have found that the mistakes are committed because we do not pay adequate attention to the less talked about concepts of the Lal Kitab. > > Let me give you an example, I got a message in my group from a couple who didn't have a child. The doctors confirmed that there was no physical deformity. I looked at both the charts, husband's and wife's , and didn't find any of the planetary combinations that could either deny or delay progeny. On the contrary in the chart of the husband Mars and venus were together in the 7th house for which the book says, " sukh sagar ho bhari kabeela, santaan pota sab phalata ho " { will be happy with a large family, sons and grandsons flourishing } … it further says that `tevewala kabhi lavald na hoga chahe uske santaan yog lakh mande hi kyon na hon' { will not be without progeny even if he might have hundreds of manda planetary combinations of progeny}. > > It suddenly struck me to work out the Budh ka bhed { nature of mercury }. Mercury was placed with rahu. When I worked out the nature of mercury it turned out to be that of Venus. Now the combination turned out to be venus + rahu " ketu gina phal shukra manda " . The upaya was done. Now they have a daughter. > > [ A ] Remember to work out the budh ka bhed { nature of > > mercury }. Mercury is a very tricky planet. Just keep an eye on > > him. > > Let me give you another example. I got a message that the native had severe trouble in his spinal cord. As usual any astrologer will have a look at Ketu in the chart for any back bone problem. There was perceptibly nothing wrong with Ketu in the chart. I looked at the Vinshottari dasha to get some hint from. Nothing worth noticing there either. Finally I decided to examine the planets which could make ketu a bali ka bakara { scapegoat }. There I found that Jupiter was under duress from Mercury. Jupiter in turn passed on its onslaught over to Ketu. In this case first an upaya will have to be done to save Jupiter from the affliction of mercury , strengthen Jupiter and later the upaya for Ketu. > > Normally when an astrologer sees any problem with back bone he would suggest an upaya for ketu without really going at the root of the problem.. Such an upaya will fail because first the upaya has to be done of the affliction of Jupiter by mercury. > > [ B ] Therefore always keep an eye open for bali ka bakra > > { scapegoat } concept. For all we know the real cause of the > > problem might lie some where else. > > [ C ] Similarly Sahni ka swabhav { nature of Saturn}too has to be > > kept in mind while dealing with finances, jobs or any 10th house > > significations. > > Summarizing : Although budh ka bhed { nature of mercury }, Bali ka bakara { scapegoat } and shani ka swabhav { nature of Saturn } may not be often talked about concepts of the Lal Kitab, but in actual horoscope reading they have to be kept in mind always. These concepts are very commonly used and are very handy. By doing so, I do not claim that the mistakes would be eliminated, but I am sure they will be reduced to a minimum. > > Bhooshan Priya > > > > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2007 Report Share Posted April 7, 2007 Dear Kulbir ji, Could you please elaborate your quote so that the meaning gets cleared for other members? If possible write it in English because there are quite a few members who do not understand Hindi. Regards, Chandra Prakash , " kulbirbains " <kulbirbains wrote: > > Enlightening indeed; pt. ji, may I also add in remedy failure > regard that LK 1942; PAGE 62 saysÂ…Â…Â…. Har grah apme khanawar haal > me diya hua sar diya karta hai; LEKIN AGAR KHUD JATI KOSHISH SE KOI > NAYA WAQYA KHADA KARE JO IS GRAH KI MUTALQA, CHEEZON KE ASAR KE > KHILAF HOVE TO ASAR ME TABDILI AA JAYEGIÂ…. This should be checked > before prescribing a > remedy. > Kulbir bains > > , Pandit Bhooshan Priya > <@> wrote: > > > > Dear Members, > > > > Assuming that the native has done all the upaya with full faith > and regularity keeping in mind all the rules and still the upaya > have failed. In this case, there can be no other excuse except that > the astrologer had failed to either diagnose the problem properly or > to prescribe the correct upaya. > > > > For a person like me who examines some 10-15 horoscopes every > day, this happens every now and then. The mistake occurs at my end. > It could occur at any of the following steps > > > > At times it becomes difficult to pin point the exact problem > from the long winding narrative posted by the native. Invariably the > first post is more of pouring out of the heart than to state the > problem. It is always advisable to make the native send his problem > in a brief note. This problem would not occur if the native is there > in front of you in a personal one to one chat. > > > > Once the problem is known the next step is to identify the > planet/s which might be causing this problem. This is where there > are maximum chances of going wrong. One slip and you are off the > tangent. > > > > In my experience I have found that the mistakes are committed > because we do not pay adequate attention to the less talked about > concepts of the Lal Kitab. > > > > Let me give you an example, I got a message in my group from a > couple who didn't have a child. The doctors confirmed that there > was no physical deformity. I looked at both the charts, husband's > and wife's , and didn't find any of the planetary combinations that > could either deny or delay progeny. On the contrary in the chart of > the husband Mars and venus were together in the 7th house for which > the book says, " sukh sagar ho bhari kabeela, santaan pota sab > phalata ho " { will be happy with a large family, sons and grandsons > flourishing } Â… it further says that `tevewala kabhi lavald na hoga > chahe uske santaan yog lakh mande hi kyon na hon' { will not be > without progeny even if he might have hundreds of manda planetary > combinations of progeny}. > > > > It suddenly struck me to work out the Budh ka bhed { nature of > mercury }. Mercury was placed with rahu. When I worked out the > nature of mercury it turned out to be that of Venus. Now the > combination turned out to be venus + rahu " ketu gina phal shukra > manda " . The upaya was done. Now they have a daughter. > > > > [ A ] Remember to work out the budh ka bhed { nature of > > > > mercury }. Mercury is a very tricky planet. Just keep an eye on > > > > him. > > > > Let me give you another example. I got a message that the native > had severe trouble in his spinal cord. As usual any astrologer will > have a look at Ketu in the chart for any back bone problem. There > was perceptibly nothing wrong with Ketu in the chart. I looked at > the Vinshottari dasha to get some hint from. Nothing worth noticing > there either. Finally I decided to examine the planets which could > make ketu a bali ka bakara { scapegoat }. There I found that Jupiter > was under duress from Mercury. Jupiter in turn passed on its > onslaught over to Ketu. In this case first an upaya will have to be > done to save Jupiter from the affliction of mercury , strengthen > Jupiter and later the upaya for Ketu. > > > > Normally when an astrologer sees any problem with back bone he > would suggest an upaya for ketu without really going at the root of > the problem.. Such an upaya will fail because first the upaya has to > be done of the affliction of Jupiter by mercury. > > > > [ B ] Therefore always keep an eye open for bali ka bakra > > > > { scapegoat } concept. For all we know the real cause of the > > > > problem might lie some where else. > > > > [ C ] Similarly Sahni ka swabhav { nature of Saturn}too has to > be > > > > kept in mind while dealing with finances, jobs or any 10th house > > > > significations. > > > > Summarizing : Although budh ka bhed { nature of mercury }, Bali > ka bakara { scapegoat } and shani ka swabhav { nature of Saturn } > may not be often talked about concepts of the Lal Kitab, but in > actual horoscope reading they have to be kept in mind always. These > concepts are very commonly used and are very handy. By doing so, I > do not claim that the mistakes would be eliminated, but I am sure > they will be reduced to a minimum. > > > > Bhooshan Priya > > > > > > > > > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2007 Report Share Posted April 7, 2007 Well the meaning or translated version is that although the planatary influence on the native will be according to their positioning in the various houses as described/illustrated in the LK but if the individual by some of his own FREE WILL indulges in actions which are contradictory to the planetary nature. the results could be different. kulbir bains --- In , " cptyagi2007 " <cptyagi2007 wrote: > > Dear Kulbir ji, > > Could you please elaborate your quote so that the meaning gets > cleared for other members? If possible write it in English because > there are quite a few members who do not understand Hindi. > > Regards, > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > , " kulbirbains " > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > Enlightening indeed; pt. ji, may I also add in remedy failure > > regard that LK 1942; PAGE 62 saysÂ…Â…Â…. Har grah apme khanawar haal > > me diya hua sar diya karta hai; LEKIN AGAR KHUD JATI KOSHISH SE > KOI > > NAYA WAQYA KHADA KARE JO IS GRAH KI MUTALQA, CHEEZON KE ASAR > KE > > KHILAF HOVE TO ASAR ME TABDILI AA JAYEGIÂ…. This should be checked > > before prescribing a > > > remedy. > > Kulbir bains > > > > , Pandit Bhooshan Priya > > <@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > Assuming that the native has done all the upaya with full > faith > > and regularity keeping in mind all the rules and still the upaya > > have failed. In this case, there can be no other excuse except > that > > the astrologer had failed to either diagnose the problem properly > or > > to prescribe the correct upaya. > > > > > > For a person like me who examines some 10-15 horoscopes every > > day, this happens every now and then. The mistake occurs at my > end. > > It could occur at any of the following steps > > > > > > At times it becomes difficult to pin point the exact problem > > from the long winding narrative posted by the native. Invariably > the > > first post is more of pouring out of the heart than to state the > > problem. It is always advisable to make the native send his > problem > > in a brief note. This problem would not occur if the native is > there > > in front of you in a personal one to one chat. > > > > > > Once the problem is known the next step is to identify the > > planet/s which might be causing this problem. This is where there > > are maximum chances of going wrong. One slip and you are off the > > tangent. > > > > > > In my experience I have found that the mistakes are committed > > because we do not pay adequate attention to the less talked about > > concepts of the Lal Kitab. > > > > > > Let me give you an example, I got a message in my group from > a > > couple who didn't have a child. The doctors confirmed that there > > was no physical deformity. I looked at both the charts, husband's > > and wife's , and didn't find any of the planetary combinations > that > > could either deny or delay progeny. On the contrary in the chart > of > > the husband Mars and venus were together in the 7th house for > which > > the book says, " sukh sagar ho bhari kabeela, santaan pota sab > > phalata ho " { will be happy with a large family, sons and > grandsons > > flourishing } Â… it further says that `tevewala kabhi lavald na > hoga > > chahe uske santaan yog lakh mande hi kyon na hon' { will not be > > without progeny even if he might have hundreds of manda planetary > > combinations of progeny}. > > > > > > It suddenly struck me to work out the Budh ka bhed { nature of > > mercury }. Mercury was placed with rahu. When I worked out the > > nature of mercury it turned out to be that of Venus. Now the > > combination turned out to be venus + rahu " ketu gina phal shukra > > manda " . The upaya was done. Now they have a daughter. > > > > > > [ A ] Remember to work out the budh ka bhed { nature of > > > > > > mercury }. Mercury is a very tricky planet. Just keep an eye > on > > > > > > him. > > > > > > Let me give you another example. I got a message that the > native > > had severe trouble in his spinal cord. As usual any astrologer > will > > have a look at Ketu in the chart for any back bone problem. There > > was perceptibly nothing wrong with Ketu in the chart. I looked at > > the Vinshottari dasha to get some hint from. Nothing worth > noticing > > there either. Finally I decided to examine the planets which could > > make ketu a bali ka bakara { scapegoat }. There I found that > Jupiter > > was under duress from Mercury. Jupiter in turn passed on its > > onslaught over to Ketu. In this case first an upaya will have to > be > > done to save Jupiter from the affliction of mercury , strengthen > > Jupiter and later the upaya for Ketu. > > > > > > Normally when an astrologer sees any problem with back bone he > > would suggest an upaya for ketu without really going at the root > of > > the problem.. Such an upaya will fail because first the upaya has > to > > be done of the affliction of Jupiter by mercury. > > > > > > [ B ] Therefore always keep an eye open for bali ka bakra > > > > > > { scapegoat } concept. For all we know the real cause of the > > > > > > problem might lie some where else. > > > > > > [ C ] Similarly Sahni ka swabhav { nature of Saturn}too has to > > be > > > > > > kept in mind while dealing with finances, jobs or any 10th > house > > > > > > significations. > > > > > > Summarizing : Although budh ka bhed { nature of mercury }, > Bali > > ka bakara { scapegoat } and shani ka swabhav { nature of Saturn } > > may not be often talked about concepts of the Lal Kitab, but in > > actual horoscope reading they have to be kept in mind always. > These > > concepts are very commonly used and are very handy. By doing so, I > > do not claim that the mistakes would be eliminated, but I am sure > > they will be reduced to a minimum. > > > > > > Bhooshan Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - > Answers > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2007 Report Share Posted April 7, 2007 Jai Shri Mataji! Quite interesting emails, indeed!I have some doupts, thoguh, please kindly clarify. About the nature of Mercury, I do not quite understand this.Can you,please,explain more?About the scapegoat problem, is this principles aalways applied? I mean , whenever Jupiter is afflicted, He always passes the problem to Ketu?If this is true, then what exactly will the results be :a)problems with Jupiter shall manifest to the native, b)problems with Ketu shall manifest to the native or c)both? When an uapay for a planet is done, should we do an upaya for its guradian planet (e.g. Ketu in case of Jupiter) as well, as the problem is transferred always to them? I would appreciate it if English is used as do not understand Hindi ..:-( Regards, Dionisis - cptyagi2007 Saturday, April 07, 2007 6:25 PM Re: Why do remedies fail : debate Dear Kulbir ji,Could you please elaborate your quote so that the meaning gets cleared for other members? If possible write it in English because there are quite a few members who do not understand Hindi.Regards,Chandra Prakash , "kulbirbains" <kulbirbains wrote:>> Enlightening indeed; pt. ji, may I also add in remedy failure > regard that LK 1942; PAGE 62 saysÂ…Â…Â…. Har grah apme khanawar haal > me diya hua sar diya karta hai; LEKIN AGAR KHUD JATI KOSHISH SE KOI > NAYA WAQYA KHADA KARE JO IS GRAH KI MUTALQA, CHEEZON KE ASAR KE > KHILAF HOVE TO ASAR ME TABDILI AA JAYEGIÂ…. This should be checked > before prescribing a > remedy. > Kulbir bains> > , Pandit Bhooshan Priya > <@> wrote:> >> > Dear Members,> > > > Assuming that the native has done all the upaya with full faith > and regularity keeping in mind all the rules and still the upaya > have failed. In this case, there can be no other excuse except that > the astrologer had failed to either diagnose the problem properly or > to prescribe the correct upaya.> > > > For a person like me who examines some 10-15 horoscopes every > day, this happens every now and then. The mistake occurs at my end. > It could occur at any of the following steps> > > > At times it becomes difficult to pin point the exact problem > from the long winding narrative posted by the native. Invariably the > first post is more of pouring out of the heart than to state the > problem. It is always advisable to make the native send his problem > in a brief note. This problem would not occur if the native is there > in front of you in a personal one to one chat.> > > > Once the problem is known the next step is to identify the > planet/s which might be causing this problem. This is where there > are maximum chances of going wrong. One slip and you are off the > tangent. > > > > In my experience I have found that the mistakes are committed > because we do not pay adequate attention to the less talked about > concepts of the Lal Kitab.> > > > Let me give you an example, I got a message in my group from a > couple who didn't have a child. The doctors confirmed that there > was no physical deformity. I looked at both the charts, husband's > and wife's , and didn't find any of the planetary combinations that > could either deny or delay progeny. On the contrary in the chart of > the husband Mars and venus were together in the 7th house for which > the book says, " sukh sagar ho bhari kabeela, santaan pota sab > phalata ho" { will be happy with a large family, sons and grandsons > flourishing } Â… it further says that `tevewala kabhi lavald na hoga > chahe uske santaan yog lakh mande hi kyon na hon' { will not be > without progeny even if he might have hundreds of manda planetary > combinations of progeny}.> > > > It suddenly struck me to work out the Budh ka bhed { nature of > mercury }. Mercury was placed with rahu. When I worked out the > nature of mercury it turned out to be that of Venus. Now the > combination turned out to be venus + rahu " ketu gina phal shukra > manda". The upaya was done. Now they have a daughter.> > > > [ A ] Remember to work out the budh ka bhed { nature of > > > > mercury }. Mercury is a very tricky planet. Just keep an eye on > > > > him.> > > > Let me give you another example. I got a message that the native > had severe trouble in his spinal cord. As usual any astrologer will > have a look at Ketu in the chart for any back bone problem. There > was perceptibly nothing wrong with Ketu in the chart. I looked at > the Vinshottari dasha to get some hint from. Nothing worth noticing > there either. Finally I decided to examine the planets which could > make ketu a bali ka bakara { scapegoat }. There I found that Jupiter > was under duress from Mercury. Jupiter in turn passed on its > onslaught over to Ketu. In this case first an upaya will have to be > done to save Jupiter from the affliction of mercury , strengthen > Jupiter and later the upaya for Ketu. > > > > Normally when an astrologer sees any problem with back bone he > would suggest an upaya for ketu without really going at the root of > the problem.. Such an upaya will fail because first the upaya has to > be done of the affliction of Jupiter by mercury.> > > > [ B ] Therefore always keep an eye open for bali ka bakra > > > > { scapegoat } concept. For all we know the real cause of the > > > > problem might lie some where else.> > > > [ C ] Similarly Sahni ka swabhav { nature of Saturn}too has to > be > > > > kept in mind while dealing with finances, jobs or any 10th house > > > > significations.> > > > Summarizing : Although budh ka bhed { nature of mercury }, Bali > ka bakara { scapegoat } and shani ka swabhav { nature of Saturn } > may not be often talked about concepts of the Lal Kitab, but in > actual horoscope reading they have to be kept in mind always. These > concepts are very commonly used and are very handy. By doing so, I > do not claim that the mistakes would be eliminated, but I am sure > they will be reduced to a minimum.> > > > Bhooshan Priya> > > > > > > > > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2007 Report Share Posted April 7, 2007 Dear Dennis ji, There is a mathematical process through which the nature of mercury is ascertained. I am giving the process here : In order to find the nature of mercury each planet is assigned a value, this value is only for this purpose, it is not a value assigned to the planets permanently. Sun : 9 Moon : 8 Mars : 5 Mercury : 4 Jupiter : 6 Venus : 7 Saturn : 3 Rahu : 2 Ketu : 1 Step #1 : multiply the value of the planet with the house number the planet is situated in. Suppose the sun is in the 6th house then 6 X 9 = 54 , and so on. Work out for all the planets in the horoscope. Step # 2 : Add all the results together. Divide that total by 9. If the remainder is : 0 = mercury will behave like the planet placed in the 5th house. If the 5th house is not occupied then it will behave like the sun where ever the sun is placed. 1 = like Ketu 2 = like rahu 3 = like Saturn 4 = like mercury { itself } 5 = like mars 6 = like Jupiter 7 = like venus 8 = like moon Thus the nature of mercury is ascertained. About the scapegoat : it is not necessary that every time a planet would pass on its troubles to the scapegoat it has for this purpose. The planet may or may not pass it on to the scapegoat. For example Jupiter might sustain all the duress itself and not pass it to Ketu. But it is always better to have a look at this aspect of troubles being passed on to another planet. If we know that ketu is not afflicted and still the indications are of afflicted ketu { like back pain etc }then we know that the problem has been passed on to Ketu by some other planet. We look for that planet. Even this is possible that both the planets might be showing indications of affliction { Jupiter > father not well; ketu > back ache } The upaya has to be done for both the planets. Regards, Chandra Prakash , " Dennis " <mprgrandmaster wrote: > > Jai Shri Mataji! > Quite interesting emails, indeed!I have some doupts, thoguh, please kindly clarify. > About the nature of Mercury, I do not quite understand this.Can you,please,explain more? > About the scapegoat problem, is this principles aalways applied? I mean , whenever Jupiter is afflicted, He always passes the problem to Ketu?If this is true, then what exactly will the results be :a) problems with Jupiter shall manifest to the native, b)problems with Ketu shall manifest to the native or c)both? When an uapay for a planet is done, should we do an upaya for its guradian planet (e.g. Ketu in case of Jupiter) as well, as the problem is transferred always to them? > I would appreciate it if English is used as do not understand Hindi .:-( > Regards, > Dionisis > - > cptyagi2007 > > Saturday, April 07, 2007 6:25 PM > Re: Why do remedies fail : debate > > > Dear Kulbir ji, > > Could you please elaborate your quote so that the meaning gets > cleared for other members? If possible write it in English because > there are quite a few members who do not understand Hindi. > > Regards, > > Chandra Prakash > > , " kulbirbains " > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > Enlightening indeed; pt. ji, may I also add in remedy failure > > regard that LK 1942; PAGE 62 says®®®. Har grah apme khanawar haal > > me diya hua sar diya karta hai; LEKIN AGAR KHUD JATI KOSHISH SE > KOI > > NAYA WAQYA KHADA KARE JO IS GRAH KI MUTALQA, CHEEZON KE ASAR > KE > > KHILAF HOVE TO ASAR ME TABDILI AA JAYEGI®. This should be checked > > before prescribing a > > > remedy. > > Kulbir bains > > > > , Pandit Bhooshan Priya > > <@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > Assuming that the native has done all the upaya with full > faith > > and regularity keeping in mind all the rules and still the upaya > > have failed. In this case, there can be no other excuse except > that > > the astrologer had failed to either diagnose the problem properly > or > > to prescribe the correct upaya. > > > > > > For a person like me who examines some 10-15 horoscopes every > > day, this happens every now and then. The mistake occurs at my > end. > > It could occur at any of the following steps > > > > > > At times it becomes difficult to pin point the exact problem > > from the long winding narrative posted by the native. Invariably > the > > first post is more of pouring out of the heart than to state the > > problem. It is always advisable to make the native send his > problem > > in a brief note. This problem would not occur if the native is > there > > in front of you in a personal one to one chat. > > > > > > Once the problem is known the next step is to identify the > > planet/s which might be causing this problem. This is where there > > are maximum chances of going wrong. One slip and you are off the > > tangent. > > > > > > In my experience I have found that the mistakes are committed > > because we do not pay adequate attention to the less talked about > > concepts of the Lal Kitab. > > > > > > Let me give you an example, I got a message in my group from > a > > couple who didn't have a child. The doctors confirmed that there > > was no physical deformity. I looked at both the charts, husband's > > and wife's , and didn't find any of the planetary combinations > that > > could either deny or delay progeny. On the contrary in the chart > of > > the husband Mars and venus were together in the 7th house for > which > > the book says, " sukh sagar ho bhari kabeela, santaan pota sab > > phalata ho " { will be happy with a large family, sons and > grandsons > > flourishing } ® it further says that `tevewala kabhi lavald na > hoga > > chahe uske santaan yog lakh mande hi kyon na hon' { will not be > > without progeny even if he might have hundreds of manda planetary > > combinations of progeny}. > > > > > > It suddenly struck me to work out the Budh ka bhed { nature of > > mercury }. Mercury was placed with rahu. When I worked out the > > nature of mercury it turned out to be that of Venus. Now the > > combination turned out to be venus + rahu " ketu gina phal shukra > > manda " . The upaya was done. Now they have a daughter. > > > > > > [ A ] Remember to work out the budh ka bhed { nature of > > > > > > mercury }. Mercury is a very tricky planet. Just keep an eye > on > > > > > > him. > > > > > > Let me give you another example. I got a message that the > native > > had severe trouble in his spinal cord. As usual any astrologer > will > > have a look at Ketu in the chart for any back bone problem. There > > was perceptibly nothing wrong with Ketu in the chart. I looked at > > the Vinshottari dasha to get some hint from. Nothing worth > noticing > > there either. Finally I decided to examine the planets which could > > make ketu a bali ka bakara { scapegoat }. There I found that > Jupiter > > was under duress from Mercury. Jupiter in turn passed on its > > onslaught over to Ketu. In this case first an upaya will have to > be > > done to save Jupiter from the affliction of mercury , strengthen > > Jupiter and later the upaya for Ketu. > > > > > > Normally when an astrologer sees any problem with back bone he > > would suggest an upaya for ketu without really going at the root > of > > the problem.. Such an upaya will fail because first the upaya has > to > > be done of the affliction of Jupiter by mercury. > > > > > > [ B ] Therefore always keep an eye open for bali ka bakra > > > > > > { scapegoat } concept. For all we know the real cause of the > > > > > > problem might lie some where else. > > > > > > [ C ] Similarly Sahni ka swabhav { nature of Saturn}too has to > > be > > > > > > kept in mind while dealing with finances, jobs or any 10th > house > > > > > > significations. > > > > > > Summarizing : Although budh ka bhed { nature of mercury }, > Bali > > ka bakara { scapegoat } and shani ka swabhav { nature of Saturn } > > may not be often talked about concepts of the Lal Kitab, but in > > actual horoscope reading they have to be kept in mind always. > These > > concepts are very commonly used and are very handy. By doing so, I > > do not claim that the mistakes would be eliminated, but I am sure > > they will be reduced to a minimum. > > > > > > Bhooshan Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - > Answers > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2007 Report Share Posted April 8, 2007 Respected Bhushan ji Yes now u hit at heart of my opening note.I don know im wrong or right but after some mails & participation of some members i have no hitch to say that my opinion may be at right track ,though I request to all members to correct my views I saw that lalkitab focuced so much at the nature of budh & saturn . Im quoting a line " budh mukhannas chakra sabhee ka jismain sab ye ghoomte hain. " All of u are known to the importance of budh due to last disscussion in andhaa Teva & buh ka bhed & about saturn in the disscussion of Neohrata Teva .Respected members these two planets r specially elaborated naturewise in lalkitab.It means both have a special nature to find out.Another thing i want to share that in Mashnuyee Concept of planets u will find importance of Budh.Even there is a line in lalkitab at the page . " Ya yun kaho ki Akl(Budh) sab taraf gaanthhain lagaa rahee hai " . before this line u will find " yah gaanth hee girah " grah " hai. I think the budh has the major content to prepare MASHNAVEE in all planets (Directly & indirectly).At other side SATURN has the power to spread darkness & all activities of Grah chali bachchaa are explained in the GLASS OF BUDH.So in my opinion if we will be able to measure the quantity of the power of budh & saturn in each horoscope (not SWABHAAV),it can help so much to decide success of remedy as wel as remedy failure. With regards Lakitabee V.K.Shukla , " cptyagi2007 " <cptyagi2007 wrote: > > Dear Dennis ji, > > There is a mathematical process through which the nature of mercury > is ascertained. I am giving the process here : > In order to find the nature of mercury each planet is assigned a > value, this value is only for this purpose, it is not a value > assigned to the planets permanently. > > Sun : 9 > Moon : 8 > Mars : 5 > Mercury : 4 > Jupiter : 6 > Venus : 7 > Saturn : 3 > Rahu : 2 > Ketu : 1 > > Step #1 : multiply the value of the planet with the house number the > planet is situated in. > Suppose the sun is in the 6th house then 6 X 9 = 54 , and so on. > Work out for all the planets in the horoscope. > > Step # 2 : Add all the results together. Divide that total by 9. > > If the remainder is : > > 0 = mercury will behave like the planet placed in the 5th house. If > the 5th house is not occupied then it will behave like the sun where > ever the sun is placed. > 1 = like Ketu > 2 = like rahu > 3 = like Saturn > 4 = like mercury { itself } > 5 = like mars > 6 = like Jupiter > 7 = like venus > 8 = like moon > > Thus the nature of mercury is ascertained. > > About the scapegoat : it is not necessary that every time a planet > would pass on its troubles to the scapegoat it has for this > purpose. The planet may or may not pass it on to the scapegoat. > For example Jupiter might sustain all the duress itself and not pass > it to Ketu. But it is always better to have a look at this aspect of > troubles being passed on to another planet. > > If we know that ketu is not afflicted and still the indications are > of afflicted ketu { like back pain etc }then we know that the > problem has been passed on to Ketu by some other planet. We look for > that planet. > > Even this is possible that both the planets might be showing > indications of affliction { Jupiter > father not well; ketu > back > ache } > The upaya has to be done for both the planets. > > Regards, > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > , " Dennis " > <mprgrandmaster@> wrote: > > > > Jai Shri Mataji! > > Quite interesting emails, indeed!I have some doupts, thoguh, > please kindly clarify. > > About the nature of Mercury, I do not quite understand this.Can > you,please,explain more? > > About the scapegoat problem, is this principles aalways applied? I > mean , whenever Jupiter is afflicted, He always passes the problem > to Ketu?If this is true, then what exactly will the results be :a) > problems with Jupiter shall manifest to the native, b)problems with > Ketu shall manifest to the native or c)both? When an uapay for a > planet is done, should we do an upaya for its guradian planet (e.g. > Ketu in case of Jupiter) as well, as the problem is transferred > always to them? > > I would appreciate it if English is used as do not understand > Hindi .:-( > > Regards, > > Dionisis > > - > > cptyagi2007 > > > > Saturday, April 07, 2007 6:25 PM > > Re: Why do remedies fail : debate > > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji, > > > > Could you please elaborate your quote so that the meaning gets > > cleared for other members? If possible write it in English > because > > there are quite a few members who do not understand Hindi. > > > > Regards, > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > , " kulbirbains " > > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > Enlightening indeed; pt. ji, may I also add in remedy failure > > > regard that LK 1942; PAGE 62 says®®®. Har grah apme khanawar > haal > > > me diya hua sar diya karta hai; LEKIN AGAR KHUD JATI KOSHISH > SE > > KOI > > > NAYA WAQYA KHADA KARE JO IS GRAH KI MUTALQA, CHEEZON KE ASAR > > KE > > > KHILAF HOVE TO ASAR ME TABDILI AA JAYEGI®. This should be > checked > > > before prescribing a > > > > > remedy. > > > Kulbir bains > > > > > > , Pandit Bhooshan > Priya > > > <@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > Assuming that the native has done all the upaya with full > > faith > > > and regularity keeping in mind all the rules and still the > upaya > > > have failed. In this case, there can be no other excuse except > > that > > > the astrologer had failed to either diagnose the problem > properly > > or > > > to prescribe the correct upaya. > > > > > > > > For a person like me who examines some 10-15 horoscopes > every > > > day, this happens every now and then. The mistake occurs at my > > end. > > > It could occur at any of the following steps > > > > > > > > At times it becomes difficult to pin point the exact problem > > > from the long winding narrative posted by the native. > Invariably > > the > > > first post is more of pouring out of the heart than to state > the > > > problem. It is always advisable to make the native send his > > problem > > > in a brief note. This problem would not occur if the native is > > there > > > in front of you in a personal one to one chat. > > > > > > > > Once the problem is known the next step is to identify the > > > planet/s which might be causing this problem. This is where > there > > > are maximum chances of going wrong. One slip and you are off > the > > > tangent. > > > > > > > > In my experience I have found that the mistakes are > committed > > > because we do not pay adequate attention to the less talked > about > > > concepts of the Lal Kitab. > > > > > > > > Let me give you an example, I got a message in my group from > > a > > > couple who didn't have a child. The doctors confirmed that > there > > > was no physical deformity. I looked at both the charts, > husband's > > > and wife's , and didn't find any of the planetary combinations > > that > > > could either deny or delay progeny. On the contrary in the > chart > > of > > > the husband Mars and venus were together in the 7th house for > > which > > > the book says, " sukh sagar ho bhari kabeela, santaan pota sab > > > phalata ho " { will be happy with a large family, sons and > > grandsons > > > flourishing } ® it further says that `tevewala kabhi lavald na > > hoga > > > chahe uske santaan yog lakh mande hi kyon na hon' { will not > be > > > without progeny even if he might have hundreds of manda > planetary > > > combinations of progeny}. > > > > > > > > It suddenly struck me to work out the Budh ka bhed { nature > of > > > mercury }. Mercury was placed with rahu. When I worked out the > > > nature of mercury it turned out to be that of Venus. Now the > > > combination turned out to be venus + rahu " ketu gina phal > shukra > > > manda " . The upaya was done. Now they have a daughter. > > > > > > > > [ A ] Remember to work out the budh ka bhed { nature of > > > > > > > > mercury }. Mercury is a very tricky planet. Just keep an eye > > on > > > > > > > > him. > > > > > > > > Let me give you another example. I got a message that the > > native > > > had severe trouble in his spinal cord. As usual any astrologer > > will > > > have a look at Ketu in the chart for any back bone problem. > There > > > was perceptibly nothing wrong with Ketu in the chart. I looked > at > > > the Vinshottari dasha to get some hint from. Nothing worth > > noticing > > > there either. Finally I decided to examine the planets which > could > > > make ketu a bali ka bakara { scapegoat }. There I found that > > Jupiter > > > was under duress from Mercury. Jupiter in turn passed on its > > > onslaught over to Ketu. In this case first an upaya will have > to > > be > > > done to save Jupiter from the affliction of mercury , > strengthen > > > Jupiter and later the upaya for Ketu. > > > > > > > > Normally when an astrologer sees any problem with back bone > he > > > would suggest an upaya for ketu without really going at the > root > > of > > > the problem.. Such an upaya will fail because first the upaya > has > > to > > > be done of the affliction of Jupiter by mercury. > > > > > > > > [ B ] Therefore always keep an eye open for bali ka bakra > > > > > > > > { scapegoat } concept. For all we know the real cause of the > > > > > > > > problem might lie some where else. > > > > > > > > [ C ] Similarly Sahni ka swabhav { nature of Saturn}too has > to > > > be > > > > > > > > kept in mind while dealing with finances, jobs or any 10th > > house > > > > > > > > significations. > > > > > > > > Summarizing : Although budh ka bhed { nature of mercury }, > > Bali > > > ka bakara { scapegoat } and shani ka swabhav { nature of > Saturn } > > > may not be often talked about concepts of the Lal Kitab, but > in > > > actual horoscope reading they have to be kept in mind always. > > These > > > concepts are very commonly used and are very handy. By doing > so, I > > > do not claim that the mistakes would be eliminated, but I am > sure > > > they will be reduced to a minimum. > > > > > > > > Bhooshan Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - > > Answers > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2007 Report Share Posted April 8, 2007 Jai Shri MatajI! Kindly, can you tell me what MASHNAVEE is? Also, sorry for the incovenience but can someone please translate the quotes from Lal Kitab given in the email below?Again, I umbly apologise and thank you for you understading. Regards,Dennis - lalkitabee Sunday, April 08, 2007 9:39 PM Re: Why do remedies fail : debate Respected Bhushan jiYes now u hit at heart of my opening note.I don know im wrong or right but after some mails & participation of some members i have no hitch to say that my opinion may be at right track ,though I request to all members to correct my views I saw that lalkitab focuced so much at the nature of budh & saturn . Im quoting a line " budh mukhannas chakra sabhee ka jismain sab ye ghoomte hain."All of u are known to the importance of budh due to last disscussion in andhaa Teva & buh ka bhed & about saturn in the disscussion of Neohrata Teva .Respected members these two planets r specially elaborated naturewise in lalkitab.It means both have a special nature to find out.Another thing i want to share that in Mashnuyee Concept of planets u will find importance of Budh.Even there is a line in lalkitab at the page ."Ya yun kaho ki Akl(Budh) sab taraf gaanthhain lagaa rahee hai". before this line u will find "yah gaanth hee girah "grah" hai. I think the budh has the major content to prepare MASHNAVEE in all planets (Directly & indirectly).At other side SATURN has the power to spread darkness & all activities of Grah chali bachchaa are explained in the GLASS OF BUDH.So in my opinion if we will be able to measure the quantity of the power of budh & saturn in each horoscope (not SWABHAAV),it can help so much to decide success of remedy as wel as remedy failure.With regardsLakitabee V.K.Shukla , "cptyagi2007" <cptyagi2007 wrote:>> Dear Dennis ji,> > There is a mathematical process through which the nature of mercury > is ascertained. I am giving the process here :> In order to find the nature of mercury each planet is assigned a > value, this value is only for this purpose, it is not a value > assigned to the planets permanently.> > Sun : 9> Moon : 8> Mars : 5> Mercury : 4> Jupiter : 6> Venus : 7> Saturn : 3> Rahu : 2> Ketu : 1> > Step #1 : multiply the value of the planet with the house number the > planet is situated in.> Suppose the sun is in the 6th house then 6 X 9 = 54 , and so on. > Work out for all the planets in the horoscope.> > Step # 2 : Add all the results together. Divide that total by 9. > > If the remainder is :> > 0 = mercury will behave like the planet placed in the 5th house. If > the 5th house is not occupied then it will behave like the sun where > ever the sun is placed.> 1 = like Ketu> 2 = like rahu> 3 = like Saturn> 4 = like mercury { itself }> 5 = like mars> 6 = like Jupiter> 7 = like venus> 8 = like moon > > Thus the nature of mercury is ascertained.> > About the scapegoat : it is not necessary that every time a planet > would pass on its troubles to the scapegoat it has for this > purpose. The planet may or may not pass it on to the scapegoat.> For example Jupiter might sustain all the duress itself and not pass > it to Ketu. But it is always better to have a look at this aspect of > troubles being passed on to another planet. > > If we know that ketu is not afflicted and still the indications are > of afflicted ketu { like back pain etc }then we know that the > problem has been passed on to Ketu by some other planet. We look for > that planet. > > Even this is possible that both the planets might be showing > indications of affliction { Jupiter > father not well; ketu > back > ache }> The upaya has to be done for both the planets.> > Regards,> > Chandra Prakash> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Dennis" > <mprgrandmaster@> wrote:> >> > Jai Shri Mataji!> > Quite interesting emails, indeed!I have some doupts, thoguh, > please kindly clarify.> > About the nature of Mercury, I do not quite understand this.Can > you,please,explain more?> > About the scapegoat problem, is this principles aalways applied? I > mean , whenever Jupiter is afflicted, He always passes the problem > to Ketu?If this is true, then what exactly will the results be :a)> problems with Jupiter shall manifest to the native, b)problems with > Ketu shall manifest to the native or c)both? When an uapay for a > planet is done, should we do an upaya for its guradian planet (e.g. > Ketu in case of Jupiter) as well, as the problem is transferred > always to them?> > I would appreciate it if English is used as do not understand > Hindi .:-(> > Regards,> > Dionisis> > - > > cptyagi2007 > > > > Saturday, April 07, 2007 6:25 PM> > Re: Why do remedies fail : debate> > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,> > > > Could you please elaborate your quote so that the meaning gets > > cleared for other members? If possible write it in English > because > > there are quite a few members who do not understand Hindi.> > > > Regards,> > > > Chandra Prakash> > > > , "kulbirbains" > > <kulbirbains@> wrote:> > >> > > Enlightening indeed; pt. ji, may I also add in remedy failure > > > regard that LK 1942; PAGE 62 says®®®. Har grah apme khanawar > haal > > > me diya hua sar diya karta hai; LEKIN AGAR KHUD JATI KOSHISH > SE > > KOI > > > NAYA WAQYA KHADA KARE JO IS GRAH KI MUTALQA, CHEEZON KE ASAR > > KE > > > KHILAF HOVE TO ASAR ME TABDILI AA JAYEGI®. This should be > checked > > > before prescribing a > > > > > remedy. > > > Kulbir bains> > > > > > , Pandit Bhooshan > Priya > > > <@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Members,> > > > > > > > Assuming that the native has done all the upaya with full > > faith > > > and regularity keeping in mind all the rules and still the > upaya > > > have failed. In this case, there can be no other excuse except > > that > > > the astrologer had failed to either diagnose the problem > properly > > or > > > to prescribe the correct upaya.> > > > > > > > For a person like me who examines some 10-15 horoscopes > every > > > day, this happens every now and then. The mistake occurs at my > > end. > > > It could occur at any of the following steps> > > > > > > > At times it becomes difficult to pin point the exact problem > > > from the long winding narrative posted by the native. > Invariably > > the > > > first post is more of pouring out of the heart than to state > the > > > problem. It is always advisable to make the native send his > > problem > > > in a brief note. This problem would not occur if the native is > > there > > > in front of you in a personal one to one chat.> > > > > > > > Once the problem is known the next step is to identify the > > > planet/s which might be causing this problem. This is where > there > > > are maximum chances of going wrong. One slip and you are off > the > > > tangent. > > > > > > > > In my experience I have found that the mistakes are > committed > > > because we do not pay adequate attention to the less talked > about > > > concepts of the Lal Kitab.> > > > > > > > Let me give you an example, I got a message in my group from > > a > > > couple who didn't have a child. The doctors confirmed that > there > > > was no physical deformity. I looked at both the charts, > husband's > > > and wife's , and didn't find any of the planetary combinations > > that > > > could either deny or delay progeny. On the contrary in the > chart > > of > > > the husband Mars and venus were together in the 7th house for > > which > > > the book says, " sukh sagar ho bhari kabeela, santaan pota sab > > > phalata ho" { will be happy with a large family, sons and > > grandsons > > > flourishing } ® it further says that `tevewala kabhi lavald na > > hoga > > > chahe uske santaan yog lakh mande hi kyon na hon' { will not > be > > > without progeny even if he might have hundreds of manda > planetary > > > combinations of progeny}.> > > > > > > > It suddenly struck me to work out the Budh ka bhed { nature > of > > > mercury }. Mercury was placed with rahu. When I worked out the > > > nature of mercury it turned out to be that of Venus. Now the > > > combination turned out to be venus + rahu " ketu gina phal > shukra > > > manda". The upaya was done. Now they have a daughter.> > > > > > > > [ A ] Remember to work out the budh ka bhed { nature of > > > > > > > > mercury }. Mercury is a very tricky planet. Just keep an eye > > on > > > > > > > > him.> > > > > > > > Let me give you another example. I got a message that the > > native > > > had severe trouble in his spinal cord. As usual any astrologer > > will > > > have a look at Ketu in the chart for any back bone problem. > There > > > was perceptibly nothing wrong with Ketu in the chart. I looked > at > > > the Vinshottari dasha to get some hint from. Nothing worth > > noticing > > > there either. Finally I decided to examine the planets which > could > > > make ketu a bali ka bakara { scapegoat }. There I found that > > Jupiter > > > was under duress from Mercury. Jupiter in turn passed on its > > > onslaught over to Ketu. In this case first an upaya will have > to > > be > > > done to save Jupiter from the affliction of mercury , > strengthen > > > Jupiter and later the upaya for Ketu. > > > > > > > > Normally when an astrologer sees any problem with back bone > he > > > would suggest an upaya for ketu without really going at the > root > > of > > > the problem.. Such an upaya will fail because first the upaya > has > > to > > > be done of the affliction of Jupiter by mercury.> > > > > > > > [ B ] Therefore always keep an eye open for bali ka bakra > > > > > > > > { scapegoat } concept. For all we know the real cause of the > > > > > > > > problem might lie some where else.> > > > > > > > [ C ] Similarly Sahni ka swabhav { nature of Saturn}too has > to > > > be > > > > > > > > kept in mind while dealing with finances, jobs or any 10th > > house > > > > > > > > significations.> > > > > > > > Summarizing : Although budh ka bhed { nature of mercury }, > > Bali > > > ka bakara { scapegoat } and shani ka swabhav { nature of > Saturn } > > > may not be often talked about concepts of the Lal Kitab, but > in > > > actual horoscope reading they have to be kept in mind always. > > These > > > concepts are very commonly used and are very handy. By doing > so, I > > > do not claim that the mistakes would be eliminated, but I am > sure > > > they will be reduced to a minimum.> > > > > > > > Bhooshan Priya> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - > > Answers> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2007 Report Share Posted April 8, 2007 Dear dennis ji, Masnavee is the artificial planet which is created by a combination of two planets. .. " Ya yun kaho ki Akl(Budh)sab taraf gaanthhain lagaa rahee hai " .. or we could say that intellect { mercury }is putting knots all around. " yah gaanth hee girah " grah " hai " ... and these knots are the planets themselves. I think you should buy the English Translation of the 1952 edition. That will help you a lot. I am afraid in this group a lot of discussion or quotations will be in Hindi and it may not be possible to translate them for you every time. Regards, Chandra Prakash , " Dennis " <mprgrandmaster wrote: > > > Jai Shri MatajI! > Kindly, can you tell me what MASHNAVEE is? > Also, sorry for the incovenience but can someone please translate the quotes from Lal Kitab given in the email below?Again, I umbly apologise and thank you for you understading. > Regards, > Dennis > - > lalkitabee > > Sunday, April 08, 2007 9:39 PM > Re: Why do remedies fail : debate > > > Respected Bhushan ji > Yes now u hit at heart of my opening note.I don know im wrong or > right but after some mails & participation of some members i have no > hitch to say that my opinion may be at right track ,though I request > to all members to correct my views > I saw that lalkitab focuced so much at the nature of budh & > saturn . Im quoting a line " budh mukhannas chakra sabhee ka jismain > sab ye ghoomte hain. " All of u are known to the importance of budh > due to last disscussion in andhaa Teva & buh ka bhed & about saturn > in the disscussion of Neohrata Teva .Respected members these two > planets r specially elaborated naturewise in lalkitab.It means both > have a special nature to find out.Another thing i want to share that > in Mashnuyee Concept of planets u will find importance of Budh.Even > there is a line in lalkitab at the page . " Ya yun kaho ki Akl (Budh) > sab taraf gaanthhain lagaa rahee hai " . before this line u will > find " yah gaanth hee girah " grah " hai. I think the budh has the > major content to prepare MASHNAVEE in all planets (Directly & > indirectly).At other side SATURN has the power to spread darkness & > all activities of Grah chali bachchaa are explained in the GLASS OF > BUDH.So in my opinion if we will be able to measure the quantity of > the power of budh & saturn in each horoscope (not SWABHAAV),it can > help so much to decide success of remedy as wel as remedy failure. > With regards > Lakitabee V.K.Shukla > , " cptyagi2007 " > <cptyagi2007@> wrote: > > > > Dear Dennis ji, > > > > There is a mathematical process through which the nature of > mercury > > is ascertained. I am giving the process here : > > In order to find the nature of mercury each planet is assigned a > > value, this value is only for this purpose, it is not a value > > assigned to the planets permanently. > > > > Sun : 9 > > Moon : 8 > > Mars : 5 > > Mercury : 4 > > Jupiter : 6 > > Venus : 7 > > Saturn : 3 > > Rahu : 2 > > Ketu : 1 > > > > Step #1 : multiply the value of the planet with the house number > the > > planet is situated in. > > Suppose the sun is in the 6th house then 6 X 9 = 54 , and so on. > > Work out for all the planets in the horoscope. > > > > Step # 2 : Add all the results together. Divide that total by > 9. > > > > If the remainder is : > > > > 0 = mercury will behave like the planet placed in the 5th house. > If > > the 5th house is not occupied then it will behave like the sun > where > > ever the sun is placed. > > 1 = like Ketu > > 2 = like rahu > > 3 = like Saturn > > 4 = like mercury { itself } > > 5 = like mars > > 6 = like Jupiter > > 7 = like venus > > 8 = like moon > > > > Thus the nature of mercury is ascertained. > > > > About the scapegoat : it is not necessary that every time a planet > > would pass on its troubles to the scapegoat it has for this > > purpose. The planet may or may not pass it on to the scapegoat. > > For example Jupiter might sustain all the duress itself and not > pass > > it to Ketu. But it is always better to have a look at this aspect > of > > troubles being passed on to another planet. > > > > If we know that ketu is not afflicted and still the indications > are > > of afflicted ketu { like back pain etc }then we know that the > > problem has been passed on to Ketu by some other planet. We look > for > > that planet. > > > > Even this is possible that both the planets might be showing > > indications of affliction { Jupiter > father not well; ketu > back > > ache } > > The upaya has to be done for both the planets. > > > > Regards, > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Dennis " > > <mprgrandmaster@> wrote: > > > > > > Jai Shri Mataji! > > > Quite interesting emails, indeed!I have some doupts, thoguh, > > please kindly clarify. > > > About the nature of Mercury, I do not quite understand this.Can > > you,please,explain more? > > > About the scapegoat problem, is this principles aalways applied? > I > > mean , whenever Jupiter is afflicted, He always passes the problem > > to Ketu?If this is true, then what exactly will the results be :a) > > problems with Jupiter shall manifest to the native, b)problems > with > > Ketu shall manifest to the native or c)both? When an uapay for a > > planet is done, should we do an upaya for its guradian planet > (e.g. > > Ketu in case of Jupiter) as well, as the problem is transferred > > always to them? > > > I would appreciate it if English is used as do not understand > > Hindi .:-( > > > Regards, > > > Dionisis > > > - > > > cptyagi2007 > > > > > > Saturday, April 07, 2007 6:25 PM > > > Re: Why do remedies fail : debate > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji, > > > > > > Could you please elaborate your quote so that the meaning gets > > > cleared for other members? If possible write it in English > > because > > > there are quite a few members who do not understand Hindi. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > , " kulbirbains " > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Enlightening indeed; pt. ji, may I also add in remedy > failure > > > > regard that LK 1942; PAGE 62 says®®®. Har grah apme > khanawar > > haal > > > > me diya hua sar diya karta hai; LEKIN AGAR KHUD JATI KOSHISH > > SE > > > KOI > > > > NAYA WAQYA KHADA KARE JO IS GRAH KI MUTALQA, CHEEZON KE ASAR > > > KE > > > > KHILAF HOVE TO ASAR ME TABDILI AA JAYEGI®. This should be > > checked > > > > before prescribing a > > > > > > > remedy. > > > > Kulbir bains > > > > > > > > , Pandit Bhooshan > > Priya > > > > <@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > Assuming that the native has done all the upaya with full > > > faith > > > > and regularity keeping in mind all the rules and still the > > upaya > > > > have failed. In this case, there can be no other excuse > except > > > that > > > > the astrologer had failed to either diagnose the problem > > properly > > > or > > > > to prescribe the correct upaya. > > > > > > > > > > For a person like me who examines some 10-15 horoscopes > > every > > > > day, this happens every now and then. The mistake occurs at > my > > > end. > > > > It could occur at any of the following steps > > > > > > > > > > At times it becomes difficult to pin point the exact > problem > > > > from the long winding narrative posted by the native. > > Invariably > > > the > > > > first post is more of pouring out of the heart than to state > > the > > > > problem. It is always advisable to make the native send his > > > problem > > > > in a brief note. This problem would not occur if the native > is > > > there > > > > in front of you in a personal one to one chat. > > > > > > > > > > Once the problem is known the next step is to identify the > > > > planet/s which might be causing this problem. This is where > > there > > > > are maximum chances of going wrong. One slip and you are off > > the > > > > tangent. > > > > > > > > > > In my experience I have found that the mistakes are > > committed > > > > because we do not pay adequate attention to the less talked > > about > > > > concepts of the Lal Kitab. > > > > > > > > > > Let me give you an example, I got a message in my group > from > > > a > > > > couple who didn't have a child. The doctors confirmed that > > there > > > > was no physical deformity. I looked at both the charts, > > husband's > > > > and wife's , and didn't find any of the planetary > combinations > > > that > > > > could either deny or delay progeny. On the contrary in the > > chart > > > of > > > > the husband Mars and venus were together in the 7th house > for > > > which > > > > the book says, " sukh sagar ho bhari kabeela, santaan pota > sab > > > > phalata ho " { will be happy with a large family, sons and > > > grandsons > > > > flourishing } ® it further says that `tevewala kabhi lavald > na > > > hoga > > > > chahe uske santaan yog lakh mande hi kyon na hon' { will not > > be > > > > without progeny even if he might have hundreds of manda > > planetary > > > > combinations of progeny}. > > > > > > > > > > It suddenly struck me to work out the Budh ka bhed { > nature > > of > > > > mercury }. Mercury was placed with rahu. When I worked out > the > > > > nature of mercury it turned out to be that of Venus. Now the > > > > combination turned out to be venus + rahu " ketu gina phal > > shukra > > > > manda " . The upaya was done. Now they have a daughter. > > > > > > > > > > [ A ] Remember to work out the budh ka bhed { nature of > > > > > > > > > > mercury }. Mercury is a very tricky planet. Just keep an > eye > > > on > > > > > > > > > > him. > > > > > > > > > > Let me give you another example. I got a message that the > > > native > > > > had severe trouble in his spinal cord. As usual any > astrologer > > > will > > > > have a look at Ketu in the chart for any back bone problem. > > There > > > > was perceptibly nothing wrong with Ketu in the chart. I > looked > > at > > > > the Vinshottari dasha to get some hint from. Nothing worth > > > noticing > > > > there either. Finally I decided to examine the planets which > > could > > > > make ketu a bali ka bakara { scapegoat }. There I found that > > > Jupiter > > > > was under duress from Mercury. Jupiter in turn passed on its > > > > onslaught over to Ketu. In this case first an upaya will > have > > to > > > be > > > > done to save Jupiter from the affliction of mercury , > > strengthen > > > > Jupiter and later the upaya for Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > Normally when an astrologer sees any problem with back > bone > > he > > > > would suggest an upaya for ketu without really going at the > > root > > > of > > > > the problem.. Such an upaya will fail because first the > upaya > > has > > > to > > > > be done of the affliction of Jupiter by mercury. > > > > > > > > > > [ B ] Therefore always keep an eye open for bali ka bakra > > > > > > > > > > { scapegoat } concept. For all we know the real cause of > the > > > > > > > > > > problem might lie some where else. > > > > > > > > > > [ C ] Similarly Sahni ka swabhav { nature of Saturn}too > has > > to > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > kept in mind while dealing with finances, jobs or any 10th > > > house > > > > > > > > > > significations. > > > > > > > > > > Summarizing : Although budh ka bhed { nature of mercury }, > > > Bali > > > > ka bakara { scapegoat } and shani ka swabhav { nature of > > Saturn } > > > > may not be often talked about concepts of the Lal Kitab, but > > in > > > > actual horoscope reading they have to be kept in mind > always. > > > These > > > > concepts are very commonly used and are very handy. By doing > > so, I > > > > do not claim that the mistakes would be eliminated, but I am > > sure > > > > they will be reduced to a minimum. > > > > > > > > > > Bhooshan Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - > > > Answers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2007 Report Share Posted April 8, 2007 Respected Dennis don be loose hearted by the words of Tyagi ji.It will be better to purchase English Translation of the 1952 edition.U will get more & more in remedial astrology with this book,if u r interested.But it is my personal advice that lalkitab is not like a list of remedies according houses of horoscope.It is a system to analyze horoscope & to provide remedy(if possible) after analyzations.It has five editions in urdu & most popular & most elaborated edition is 1952 edition. With regards Lalkitabee V.K.Shukla , " cptyagi2007 " <cptyagi2007 wrote: > > Dear dennis ji, > > Masnavee is the artificial planet which is created by a combination > of two planets. > > . " Ya yun kaho ki Akl(Budh)sab taraf gaanthhain lagaa rahee hai " .. > or we could say that intellect { mercury }is putting knots all > around. > > " yah gaanth hee girah " grah " hai " ... and these knots are the > planets themselves. > > I think you should buy the English Translation of the 1952 edition. > That will help you a lot. I am afraid in this group a lot of > discussion or quotations will be in Hindi and it may not be possible > to translate them for you every time. > > Regards, > > Chandra Prakash > > , " Dennis " > <mprgrandmaster@> wrote: > > > > > > Jai Shri MatajI! > > Kindly, can you tell me what MASHNAVEE is? > > Also, sorry for the incovenience but can someone please translate > the quotes from Lal Kitab given in the email below?Again, I umbly > apologise and thank you for you understading. > > Regards, > > Dennis > > - > > lalkitabee > > > > Sunday, April 08, 2007 9:39 PM > > Re: Why do remedies fail : debate > > > > > > Respected Bhushan ji > > Yes now u hit at heart of my opening note.I don know im wrong or > > right but after some mails & participation of some members i > have no > > hitch to say that my opinion may be at right track ,though I > request > > to all members to correct my views > > I saw that lalkitab focuced so much at the nature of budh & > > saturn . Im quoting a line " budh mukhannas chakra sabhee ka > jismain > > sab ye ghoomte hain. " All of u are known to the importance of > budh > > due to last disscussion in andhaa Teva & buh ka bhed & about > saturn > > in the disscussion of Neohrata Teva .Respected members these two > > planets r specially elaborated naturewise in lalkitab.It means > both > > have a special nature to find out.Another thing i want to share > that > > in Mashnuyee Concept of planets u will find importance of > Budh.Even > > there is a line in lalkitab at the page . " Ya yun kaho ki Akl > (Budh) > > sab taraf gaanthhain lagaa rahee hai " . before this line u will > > find " yah gaanth hee girah " grah " hai. I think the budh has the > > major content to prepare MASHNAVEE in all planets (Directly & > > indirectly).At other side SATURN has the power to spread > darkness & > > all activities of Grah chali bachchaa are explained in the GLASS > OF > > BUDH.So in my opinion if we will be able to measure the quantity > of > > the power of budh & saturn in each horoscope (not SWABHAAV),it > can > > help so much to decide success of remedy as wel as remedy > failure. > > With regards > > Lakitabee V.K.Shukla > > , " cptyagi2007 " > > <cptyagi2007@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Dennis ji, > > > > > > There is a mathematical process through which the nature of > > mercury > > > is ascertained. I am giving the process here : > > > In order to find the nature of mercury each planet is assigned > a > > > value, this value is only for this purpose, it is not a value > > > assigned to the planets permanently. > > > > > > Sun : 9 > > > Moon : 8 > > > Mars : 5 > > > Mercury : 4 > > > Jupiter : 6 > > > Venus : 7 > > > Saturn : 3 > > > Rahu : 2 > > > Ketu : 1 > > > > > > Step #1 : multiply the value of the planet with the house > number > > the > > > planet is situated in. > > > Suppose the sun is in the 6th house then 6 X 9 = 54 , and so > on. > > > Work out for all the planets in the horoscope. > > > > > > Step # 2 : Add all the results together. Divide that total by > > 9. > > > > > > If the remainder is : > > > > > > 0 = mercury will behave like the planet placed in the 5th > house. > > If > > > the 5th house is not occupied then it will behave like the sun > > where > > > ever the sun is placed. > > > 1 = like Ketu > > > 2 = like rahu > > > 3 = like Saturn > > > 4 = like mercury { itself } > > > 5 = like mars > > > 6 = like Jupiter > > > 7 = like venus > > > 8 = like moon > > > > > > Thus the nature of mercury is ascertained. > > > > > > About the scapegoat : it is not necessary that every time a > planet > > > would pass on its troubles to the scapegoat it has for this > > > purpose. The planet may or may not pass it on to the scapegoat. > > > For example Jupiter might sustain all the duress itself and > not > > pass > > > it to Ketu. But it is always better to have a look at this > aspect > > of > > > troubles being passed on to another planet. > > > > > > If we know that ketu is not afflicted and still the > indications > > are > > > of afflicted ketu { like back pain etc }then we know that the > > > problem has been passed on to Ketu by some other planet. We > look > > for > > > that planet. > > > > > > Even this is possible that both the planets might be showing > > > indications of affliction { Jupiter > father not well; ketu > > back > > > ache } > > > The upaya has to be done for both the planets. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Dennis " > > > <mprgrandmaster@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Jai Shri Mataji! > > > > Quite interesting emails, indeed!I have some doupts, thoguh, > > > please kindly clarify. > > > > About the nature of Mercury, I do not quite understand > this.Can > > > you,please,explain more? > > > > About the scapegoat problem, is this principles aalways > applied? > > I > > > mean , whenever Jupiter is afflicted, He always passes the > problem > > > to Ketu?If this is true, then what exactly will the results > be :a) > > > problems with Jupiter shall manifest to the native, b) problems > > with > > > Ketu shall manifest to the native or c)both? When an uapay for > a > > > planet is done, should we do an upaya for its guradian planet > > (e.g. > > > Ketu in case of Jupiter) as well, as the problem is > transferred > > > always to them? > > > > I would appreciate it if English is used as do not > understand > > > Hindi .:-( > > > > Regards, > > > > Dionisis > > > > - > > > > cptyagi2007 > > > > > > > > Saturday, April 07, 2007 6:25 PM > > > > Re: Why do remedies fail : debate > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji, > > > > > > > > Could you please elaborate your quote so that the meaning > gets > > > > cleared for other members? If possible write it in English > > > because > > > > there are quite a few members who do not understand Hindi. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > , " kulbirbains " > > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Enlightening indeed; pt. ji, may I also add in remedy > > failure > > > > > regard that LK 1942; PAGE 62 says®®®. Har grah apme > > khanawar > > > haal > > > > > me diya hua sar diya karta hai; LEKIN AGAR KHUD JATI > KOSHISH > > > SE > > > > KOI > > > > > NAYA WAQYA KHADA KARE JO IS GRAH KI MUTALQA, CHEEZON KE > ASAR > > > > KE > > > > > KHILAF HOVE TO ASAR ME TABDILI AA JAYEGI®. This should be > > > checked > > > > > before prescribing a > > > > > > > > > remedy. > > > > > Kulbir bains > > > > > > > > > > , Pandit > Bhooshan > > > Priya > > > > > <@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > Assuming that the native has done all the upaya with > full > > > > faith > > > > > and regularity keeping in mind all the rules and still the > > > upaya > > > > > have failed. In this case, there can be no other excuse > > except > > > > that > > > > > the astrologer had failed to either diagnose the problem > > > properly > > > > or > > > > > to prescribe the correct upaya. > > > > > > > > > > > > For a person like me who examines some 10-15 horoscopes > > > every > > > > > day, this happens every now and then. The mistake occurs > at > > my > > > > end. > > > > > It could occur at any of the following steps > > > > > > > > > > > > At times it becomes difficult to pin point the exact > > problem > > > > > from the long winding narrative posted by the native. > > > Invariably > > > > the > > > > > first post is more of pouring out of the heart than to > state > > > the > > > > > problem. It is always advisable to make the native send > his > > > > problem > > > > > in a brief note. This problem would not occur if the > native > > is > > > > there > > > > > in front of you in a personal one to one chat. > > > > > > > > > > > > Once the problem is known the next step is to identify > the > > > > > planet/s which might be causing this problem. This is > where > > > there > > > > > are maximum chances of going wrong. One slip and you are > off > > > the > > > > > tangent. > > > > > > > > > > > > In my experience I have found that the mistakes are > > > committed > > > > > because we do not pay adequate attention to the less > talked > > > about > > > > > concepts of the Lal Kitab. > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me give you an example, I got a message in my group > > from > > > > a > > > > > couple who didn't have a child. The doctors confirmed that > > > there > > > > > was no physical deformity. I looked at both the charts, > > > husband's > > > > > and wife's , and didn't find any of the planetary > > combinations > > > > that > > > > > could either deny or delay progeny. On the contrary in the > > > chart > > > > of > > > > > the husband Mars and venus were together in the 7th house > > for > > > > which > > > > > the book says, " sukh sagar ho bhari kabeela, santaan pota > > sab > > > > > phalata ho " { will be happy with a large family, sons and > > > > grandsons > > > > > flourishing } ® it further says that `tevewala kabhi > lavald > > na > > > > hoga > > > > > chahe uske santaan yog lakh mande hi kyon na hon' { will > not > > > be > > > > > without progeny even if he might have hundreds of manda > > > planetary > > > > > combinations of progeny}. > > > > > > > > > > > > It suddenly struck me to work out the Budh ka bhed { > > nature > > > of > > > > > mercury }. Mercury was placed with rahu. When I worked out > > the > > > > > nature of mercury it turned out to be that of Venus. Now > the > > > > > combination turned out to be venus + rahu " ketu gina phal > > > shukra > > > > > manda " . The upaya was done. Now they have a daughter. > > > > > > > > > > > > [ A ] Remember to work out the budh ka bhed { nature of > > > > > > > > > > > > mercury }. Mercury is a very tricky planet. Just keep an > > eye > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > him. > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me give you another example. I got a message that > the > > > > native > > > > > had severe trouble in his spinal cord. As usual any > > astrologer > > > > will > > > > > have a look at Ketu in the chart for any back bone > problem. > > > There > > > > > was perceptibly nothing wrong with Ketu in the chart. I > > looked > > > at > > > > > the Vinshottari dasha to get some hint from. Nothing worth > > > > noticing > > > > > there either. Finally I decided to examine the planets > which > > > could > > > > > make ketu a bali ka bakara { scapegoat }. There I found > that > > > > Jupiter > > > > > was under duress from Mercury. Jupiter in turn passed on > its > > > > > onslaught over to Ketu. In this case first an upaya will > > have > > > to > > > > be > > > > > done to save Jupiter from the affliction of mercury , > > > strengthen > > > > > Jupiter and later the upaya for Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > Normally when an astrologer sees any problem with back > > bone > > > he > > > > > would suggest an upaya for ketu without really going at > the > > > root > > > > of > > > > > the problem.. Such an upaya will fail because first the > > upaya > > > has > > > > to > > > > > be done of the affliction of Jupiter by mercury. > > > > > > > > > > > > [ B ] Therefore always keep an eye open for bali ka > bakra > > > > > > > > > > > > { scapegoat } concept. For all we know the real cause of > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > problem might lie some where else. > > > > > > > > > > > > [ C ] Similarly Sahni ka swabhav { nature of Saturn} too > > has > > > to > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > kept in mind while dealing with finances, jobs or any > 10th > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > significations. > > > > > > > > > > > > Summarizing : Although budh ka bhed { nature of > mercury }, > > > > Bali > > > > > ka bakara { scapegoat } and shani ka swabhav { nature of > > > Saturn } > > > > > may not be often talked about concepts of the Lal Kitab, > but > > > in > > > > > actual horoscope reading they have to be kept in mind > > always. > > > > These > > > > > concepts are very commonly used and are very handy. By > doing > > > so, I > > > > > do not claim that the mistakes would be eliminated, but I > am > > > sure > > > > > they will be reduced to a minimum. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhooshan Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - > > > > > Answers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 Dear Chandra Prakash ji The correct word is Masnooyee (Mas-noo-yee) not Masnavee. Masnavi/masnavee is actually a long poem consisting of an indefinite number of couplets. Regards Yogaj Prabhakar , " lalkitabee " <lalkitabee wrote: > > Respected Dennis > don be loose hearted by the words of Tyagi ji.It will be better to > purchase English Translation of the 1952 edition.U will get more & > more in remedial astrology with this book,if u r interested.But it > is my personal advice that lalkitab is not like a list of remedies > according houses of horoscope.It is a system to analyze horoscope & > to provide remedy(if possible) after analyzations.It has five > editions in urdu & most popular & most elaborated edition is 1952 > edition. > With regards > Lalkitabee V.K.Shukla > > , " cptyagi2007 " > <cptyagi2007@> wrote: > > > > Dear dennis ji, > > > > Masnavee is the artificial planet which is created by a > combination > > of two planets. > > > > . " Ya yun kaho ki Akl(Budh)sab taraf gaanthhain lagaa rahee hai " .. > > or we could say that intellect { mercury }is putting knots all > > around. > > > > " yah gaanth hee girah " grah " hai " ... and these knots are the > > planets themselves. > > > > I think you should buy the English Translation of the 1952 > edition. > > That will help you a lot. I am afraid in this group a lot of > > discussion or quotations will be in Hindi and it may not be > possible > > to translate them for you every time. > > > > Regards, > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Dennis " > > <mprgrandmaster@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Jai Shri MatajI! > > > Kindly, can you tell me what MASHNAVEE is? > > > Also, sorry for the incovenience but can someone please > translate > > the quotes from Lal Kitab given in the email below?Again, I umbly > > apologise and thank you for you understading. > > > Regards, > > > Dennis > > > - > > > lalkitabee > > > > > > Sunday, April 08, 2007 9:39 PM > > > Re: Why do remedies fail : debate > > > > > > > > > Respected Bhushan ji > > > Yes now u hit at heart of my opening note.I don know im wrong > or > > > right but after some mails & participation of some members i > > have no > > > hitch to say that my opinion may be at right track ,though I > > request > > > to all members to correct my views > > > I saw that lalkitab focuced so much at the nature of budh & > > > saturn . Im quoting a line " budh mukhannas chakra sabhee ka > > jismain > > > sab ye ghoomte hain. " All of u are known to the importance of > > budh > > > due to last disscussion in andhaa Teva & buh ka bhed & about > > saturn > > > in the disscussion of Neohrata Teva .Respected members these > two > > > planets r specially elaborated naturewise in lalkitab.It means > > both > > > have a special nature to find out.Another thing i want to > share > > that > > > in Mashnuyee Concept of planets u will find importance of > > Budh.Even > > > there is a line in lalkitab at the page . " Ya yun kaho ki Akl > > (Budh) > > > sab taraf gaanthhain lagaa rahee hai " . before this line u will > > > find " yah gaanth hee girah " grah " hai. I think the budh has > the > > > major content to prepare MASHNAVEE in all planets (Directly & > > > indirectly).At other side SATURN has the power to spread > > darkness & > > > all activities of Grah chali bachchaa are explained in the > GLASS > > OF > > > BUDH.So in my opinion if we will be able to measure the > quantity > > of > > > the power of budh & saturn in each horoscope (not SWABHAAV),it > > can > > > help so much to decide success of remedy as wel as remedy > > failure. > > > With regards > > > Lakitabee V.K.Shukla > > > , " cptyagi2007 " > > > <cptyagi2007@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Dennis ji, > > > > > > > > There is a mathematical process through which the nature of > > > mercury > > > > is ascertained. I am giving the process here : > > > > In order to find the nature of mercury each planet is > assigned > > a > > > > value, this value is only for this purpose, it is not a > value > > > > assigned to the planets permanently. > > > > > > > > Sun : 9 > > > > Moon : 8 > > > > Mars : 5 > > > > Mercury : 4 > > > > Jupiter : 6 > > > > Venus : 7 > > > > Saturn : 3 > > > > Rahu : 2 > > > > Ketu : 1 > > > > > > > > Step #1 : multiply the value of the planet with the house > > number > > > the > > > > planet is situated in. > > > > Suppose the sun is in the 6th house then 6 X 9 = 54 , and so > > on. > > > > Work out for all the planets in the horoscope. > > > > > > > > Step # 2 : Add all the results together. Divide that total > by > > > 9. > > > > > > > > If the remainder is : > > > > > > > > 0 = mercury will behave like the planet placed in the 5th > > house. > > > If > > > > the 5th house is not occupied then it will behave like the > sun > > > where > > > > ever the sun is placed. > > > > 1 = like Ketu > > > > 2 = like rahu > > > > 3 = like Saturn > > > > 4 = like mercury { itself } > > > > 5 = like mars > > > > 6 = like Jupiter > > > > 7 = like venus > > > > 8 = like moon > > > > > > > > Thus the nature of mercury is ascertained. > > > > > > > > About the scapegoat : it is not necessary that every time a > > planet > > > > would pass on its troubles to the scapegoat it has for this > > > > purpose. The planet may or may not pass it on to the > scapegoat. > > > > For example Jupiter might sustain all the duress itself and > > not > > > pass > > > > it to Ketu. But it is always better to have a look at this > > aspect > > > of > > > > troubles being passed on to another planet. > > > > > > > > If we know that ketu is not afflicted and still the > > indications > > > are > > > > of afflicted ketu { like back pain etc }then we know that > the > > > > problem has been passed on to Ketu by some other planet. We > > look > > > for > > > > that planet. > > > > > > > > Even this is possible that both the planets might be showing > > > > indications of affliction { Jupiter > father not well; ketu > > > > back > > > > ache } > > > > The upaya has to be done for both the planets. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Dennis " > > > > <mprgrandmaster@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Jai Shri Mataji! > > > > > Quite interesting emails, indeed!I have some doupts, > thoguh, > > > > please kindly clarify. > > > > > About the nature of Mercury, I do not quite understand > > this.Can > > > > you,please,explain more? > > > > > About the scapegoat problem, is this principles aalways > > applied? > > > I > > > > mean , whenever Jupiter is afflicted, He always passes the > > problem > > > > to Ketu?If this is true, then what exactly will the results > > be :a) > > > > problems with Jupiter shall manifest to the native, b) > problems > > > with > > > > Ketu shall manifest to the native or c)both? When an uapay > for > > a > > > > planet is done, should we do an upaya for its guradian > planet > > > (e.g. > > > > Ketu in case of Jupiter) as well, as the problem is > > transferred > > > > always to them? > > > > > I would appreciate it if English is used as do not > > understand > > > > Hindi .:-( > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Dionisis > > > > > - > > > > > cptyagi2007 > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, April 07, 2007 6:25 PM > > > > > Re: Why do remedies fail : debate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji, > > > > > > > > > > Could you please elaborate your quote so that the meaning > > gets > > > > > cleared for other members? If possible write it in English > > > > because > > > > > there are quite a few members who do not understand Hindi. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > , " kulbirbains " > > > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Enlightening indeed; pt. ji, may I also add in remedy > > > failure > > > > > > regard that LK 1942; PAGE 62 says®®®. Har grah apme > > > khanawar > > > > haal > > > > > > me diya hua sar diya karta hai; LEKIN AGAR KHUD JATI > > KOSHISH > > > > SE > > > > > KOI > > > > > > NAYA WAQYA KHADA KARE JO IS GRAH KI MUTALQA, CHEEZON KE > > ASAR > > > > > KE > > > > > > KHILAF HOVE TO ASAR ME TABDILI AA JAYEGI®. This should > be > > > > checked > > > > > > before prescribing a > > > > > > > > > > > remedy. > > > > > > Kulbir bains > > > > > > > > > > > > , Pandit > > Bhooshan > > > > Priya > > > > > > <@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Assuming that the native has done all the upaya with > > full > > > > > faith > > > > > > and regularity keeping in mind all the rules and still > the > > > > upaya > > > > > > have failed. In this case, there can be no other excuse > > > except > > > > > that > > > > > > the astrologer had failed to either diagnose the problem > > > > properly > > > > > or > > > > > > to prescribe the correct upaya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For a person like me who examines some 10-15 > horoscopes > > > > every > > > > > > day, this happens every now and then. The mistake occurs > > at > > > my > > > > > end. > > > > > > It could occur at any of the following steps > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At times it becomes difficult to pin point the exact > > > problem > > > > > > from the long winding narrative posted by the native. > > > > Invariably > > > > > the > > > > > > first post is more of pouring out of the heart than to > > state > > > > the > > > > > > problem. It is always advisable to make the native send > > his > > > > > problem > > > > > > in a brief note. This problem would not occur if the > > native > > > is > > > > > there > > > > > > in front of you in a personal one to one chat. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once the problem is known the next step is to identify > > the > > > > > > planet/s which might be causing this problem. This is > > where > > > > there > > > > > > are maximum chances of going wrong. One slip and you are > > off > > > > the > > > > > > tangent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my experience I have found that the mistakes are > > > > committed > > > > > > because we do not pay adequate attention to the less > > talked > > > > about > > > > > > concepts of the Lal Kitab. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me give you an example, I got a message in my > group > > > from > > > > > a > > > > > > couple who didn't have a child. The doctors confirmed > that > > > > there > > > > > > was no physical deformity. I looked at both the charts, > > > > husband's > > > > > > and wife's , and didn't find any of the planetary > > > combinations > > > > > that > > > > > > could either deny or delay progeny. On the contrary in > the > > > > chart > > > > > of > > > > > > the husband Mars and venus were together in the 7th > house > > > for > > > > > which > > > > > > the book says, " sukh sagar ho bhari kabeela, santaan > pota > > > sab > > > > > > phalata ho " { will be happy with a large family, sons > and > > > > > grandsons > > > > > > flourishing } ® it further says that `tevewala kabhi > > lavald > > > na > > > > > hoga > > > > > > chahe uske santaan yog lakh mande hi kyon na hon' { will > > not > > > > be > > > > > > without progeny even if he might have hundreds of manda > > > > planetary > > > > > > combinations of progeny}. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It suddenly struck me to work out the Budh ka bhed { > > > nature > > > > of > > > > > > mercury }. Mercury was placed with rahu. When I worked > out > > > the > > > > > > nature of mercury it turned out to be that of Venus. Now > > the > > > > > > combination turned out to be venus + rahu " ketu gina > phal > > > > shukra > > > > > > manda " . The upaya was done. Now they have a daughter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ A ] Remember to work out the budh ka bhed { nature > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mercury }. Mercury is a very tricky planet. Just keep > an > > > eye > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me give you another example. I got a message that > > the > > > > > native > > > > > > had severe trouble in his spinal cord. As usual any > > > astrologer > > > > > will > > > > > > have a look at Ketu in the chart for any back bone > > problem. > > > > There > > > > > > was perceptibly nothing wrong with Ketu in the chart. I > > > looked > > > > at > > > > > > the Vinshottari dasha to get some hint from. Nothing > worth > > > > > noticing > > > > > > there either. Finally I decided to examine the planets > > which > > > > could > > > > > > make ketu a bali ka bakara { scapegoat }. There I found > > that > > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > was under duress from Mercury. Jupiter in turn passed on > > its > > > > > > onslaught over to Ketu. In this case first an upaya will > > > have > > > > to > > > > > be > > > > > > done to save Jupiter from the affliction of mercury , > > > > strengthen > > > > > > Jupiter and later the upaya for Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Normally when an astrologer sees any problem with back > > > bone > > > > he > > > > > > would suggest an upaya for ketu without really going at > > the > > > > root > > > > > of > > > > > > the problem.. Such an upaya will fail because first the > > > upaya > > > > has > > > > > to > > > > > > be done of the affliction of Jupiter by mercury. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ B ] Therefore always keep an eye open for bali ka > > bakra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > { scapegoat } concept. For all we know the real cause > of > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem might lie some where else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ C ] Similarly Sahni ka swabhav { nature of Saturn} > too > > > has > > > > to > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kept in mind while dealing with finances, jobs or any > > 10th > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > significations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Summarizing : Although budh ka bhed { nature of > > mercury }, > > > > > Bali > > > > > > ka bakara { scapegoat } and shani ka swabhav { nature of > > > > Saturn } > > > > > > may not be often talked about concepts of the Lal Kitab, > > but > > > > in > > > > > > actual horoscope reading they have to be kept in mind > > > always. > > > > > These > > > > > > concepts are very commonly used and are very handy. By > > doing > > > > so, I > > > > > > do not claim that the mistakes would be eliminated, but > I > > am > > > > sure > > > > > > they will be reduced to a minimum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhooshan Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - > > > > > > > Answers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 well said pundit ji. the topics less discusssed r seldom needed. As par lal kitab, ladki ko santaan nahein ginte. tewe wala kabhi lawald na hoga;provided budh venus se pehla ghaaron mein ho aur apni naali ke hisaab se venus mein asr mila raha ho. may be remedy for moon shall help.also it should be seen whether mangal nek hai ya bad. please let us know in which house is moon and its aspects by other planets .if any. wih ragards, kiranjeet Pandit Bhooshan Priya < wrote: Dear Members, Assuming that the native has done all the upaya with full faith and regularity keeping in mind all the rules and still the upaya have failed. In this case, there can be no other excuse except that the astrologer had failed to either diagnose the problem properly or to prescribe the correct upaya. For a person like me who examines some 10-15 horoscopes every day, this happens every now and then. The mistake occurs at my end. It could occur at any of the following steps At times it becomes difficult to pin point the exact problem from the long winding narrative posted by the native. Invariably the first post is more of pouring out of the heart than to state the problem. It is always advisable to make the native send his problem in a brief note. This problem would not occur if the native is there in front of you in a personal one to one chat. Once the problem is known the next step is to identify the planet/s which might be causing this problem. This is where there are maximum chances of going wrong. One slip and you are off the tangent. In my experience I have found that the mistakes are committed because we do not pay adequate attention to the less talked about concepts of the Lal Kitab. Let me give you an example, I got a message in my group from a couple who didn’t have a child. The doctors confirmed that there was no physical deformity. I looked at both the charts, husband’s and wife’s , and didn’t find any of the planetary combinations that could either deny or delay progeny. On the contrary in the chart of the husband Mars and venus were together in the 7th house for which the book says, “ sukh sagar ho bhari kabeela, santaan pota sab phalata ho” { will be happy with a large family, sons and grandsons flourishing } … it further says that ‘tevewala kabhi lavald na hoga chahe uske santaan yog lakh mande hi kyon na hon’ { will not be without progeny even if he might have hundreds of manda planetary combinations of progeny}. It suddenly struck me to work out the Budh ka bhed { nature of mercury }. Mercury was placed with rahu. When I worked out the nature of mercury it turned out to be that of Venus. Now the combination turned out to be venus + rahu “ ketu gina phal shukra manda”. The upaya was done. Now they have a daughter. [ A ] Remember to work out the budh ka bhed { nature of mercury }. Mercury is a very tricky planet. Just keep an eye on him. Let me give you another example. I got a message that the native had severe trouble in his spinal cord. As usual any astrologer will have a look at Ketu in the chart for any back bone problem. There was perceptibly nothing wrong with Ketu in the chart. I looked at the Vinshottari dasha to get some hint from. Nothing worth noticing there either. Finally I decided to examine the planets which could make ketu a bali ka bakara { scapegoat }. There I found that Jupiter was under duress from Mercury. Jupiter in turn passed on its onslaught over to Ketu. In this case first an upaya will have to be done to save Jupiter from the affliction of mercury , strengthen Jupiter and later the upaya for Ketu. Normally when an astrologer sees any problem with back bone he would suggest an upaya for ketu without really going at the root of the problem.. Such an upaya will fail because first the upaya has to be done of the affliction of Jupiter by mercury. [ B ] Therefore always keep an eye open for bali ka bakra { scapegoat } concept. For all we know the real cause of the problem might lie some where else. [ C ] Similarly Sahni ka swabhav { nature of Saturn}too has to be kept in mind while dealing with finances, jobs or any 10th house significations. Summarizing : Although budh ka bhed { nature of mercury }, Bali ka bakara { scapegoat } and shani ka swabhav { nature of Saturn } may not be often talked about concepts of the Lal Kitab, but in actual horoscope reading they have to be kept in mind always. These concepts are very commonly used and are very handy. By doing so, I do not claim that the mistakes would be eliminated, but I am sure they will be reduced to a minimum. Bhooshan Priya Here’s a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast with the Search weather shortcut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 dear sir, i understand that the value assigned to the planet is for its power respectively and is permanent,e.g. if v assign number 1 to ketu for its power or strength; then sun is 9 times more powerful than ketu and so on. shall look foreward to correction if i am wrong. best wishes, kiranjeetcptyagi2007 <cptyagi2007 wrote: Dear Dennis ji,There is a mathematical process through which the nature of mercury is ascertained. I am giving the process here :In order to find the nature of mercury each planet is assigned a value, this value is only for this purpose, it is not a value assigned to the planets permanently.Sun : 9Moon : 8Mars : 5Mercury : 4Jupiter : 6Venus : 7Saturn : 3Rahu : 2Ketu : 1Step #1 : multiply the value of the planet with the house number the planet is situated in.Suppose the sun is in the 6th house then 6 X 9 = 54 , and so on. Work out for all the planets in the horoscope.Step # 2 : Add all the results together. Divide that total by 9. If the remainder is :0 = mercury will behave like the planet placed in the 5th house. If the 5th house is not occupied then it will behave like the sun where ever the sun is placed.1 = like Ketu2 = like rahu3 = like Saturn4 = like mercury { itself }5 = like mars6 = like Jupiter7 = like venus8 = like moon Thus the nature of mercury is ascertained.About the scapegoat : it is not necessary that every time a planet would pass on its troubles to the scapegoat it has for this purpose. The planet may or may not pass it on to the scapegoat.For example Jupiter might sustain all the duress itself and not pass it to Ketu. But it is always better to have a look at this aspect of troubles being passed on to another planet. If we know that ketu is not afflicted and still the indications are of afflicted ketu { like back pain etc }then we know that the problem has been passed on to Ketu by some other planet. We look for that planet. Even this is possible that both the planets might be showing indications of affliction { Jupiter > father not well; ketu > back ache }The upaya has to be done for both the planets.Regards,Chandra Prakash , "Dennis" <mprgrandmaster wrote:>> Jai Shri Mataji!> Quite interesting emails, indeed!I have some doupts, thoguh, please kindly clarify.> About the nature of Mercury, I do not quite understand this.Can you,please,explain more?> About the scapegoat problem, is this principles aalways applied? I mean , whenever Jupiter is afflicted, He always passes the problem to Ketu?If this is true, then what exactly will the results be :a)problems with Jupiter shall manifest to the native, b)problems with Ketu shall manifest to the native or c)both? When an uapay for a planet is done, should we do an upaya for its guradian planet (e.g. Ketu in case of Jupiter) as well, as the problem is transferred always to them?> I would appreciate it if English is used as do not understand Hindi ..:-(> Regards,> Dionisis> - > cptyagi2007 > > Saturday, April 07, 2007 6:25 PM> Re: Why do remedies fail : debate> > > Dear Kulbir ji,> > Could you please elaborate your quote so that the meaning gets > cleared for other members? If possible write it in English because > there are quite a few members who do not understand Hindi.> > Regards,> > Chandra Prakash> > , "kulbirbains" > <kulbirbains@> wrote:> >> > Enlightening indeed; pt. ji, may I also add in remedy failure > > regard that LK 1942; PAGE 62 says®®®. Har grah apme khanawar haal > > me diya hua sar diya karta hai; LEKIN AGAR KHUD JATI KOSHISH SE > KOI > > NAYA WAQYA KHADA KARE JO IS GRAH KI MUTALQA, CHEEZON KE ASAR > KE > > KHILAF HOVE TO ASAR ME TABDILI AA JAYEGI®. This should be checked > > before prescribing a > > > remedy. > > Kulbir bains> > > > , Pandit Bhooshan Priya > > <@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Members,> > > > > > Assuming that the native has done all the upaya with full > faith > > and regularity keeping in mind all the rules and still the upaya > > have failed. In this case, there can be no other excuse except > that > > the astrologer had failed to either diagnose the problem properly > or > > to prescribe the correct upaya.> > > > > > For a person like me who examines some 10-15 horoscopes every > > day, this happens every now and then. The mistake occurs at my > end. > > It could occur at any of the following steps> > > > > > At times it becomes difficult to pin point the exact problem > > from the long winding narrative posted by the native. Invariably > the > > first post is more of pouring out of the heart than to state the > > problem. It is always advisable to make the native send his > problem > > in a brief note. This problem would not occur if the native is > there > > in front of you in a personal one to one chat.> > > > > > Once the problem is known the next step is to identify the > > planet/s which might be causing this problem. This is where there > > are maximum chances of going wrong. One slip and you are off the > > tangent. > > > > > > In my experience I have found that the mistakes are committed > > because we do not pay adequate attention to the less talked about > > concepts of the Lal Kitab.> > > > > > Let me give you an example, I got a message in my group from > a > > couple who didn't have a child. The doctors confirmed that there > > was no physical deformity. I looked at both the charts, husband's > > and wife's , and didn't find any of the planetary combinations > that > > could either deny or delay progeny. On the contrary in the chart > of > > the husband Mars and venus were together in the 7th house for > which > > the book says, " sukh sagar ho bhari kabeela, santaan pota sab > > phalata ho" { will be happy with a large family, sons and > grandsons > > flourishing } ® it further says that `tevewala kabhi lavald na > hoga > > chahe uske santaan yog lakh mande hi kyon na hon' { will not be > > without progeny even if he might have hundreds of manda planetary > > combinations of progeny}.> > > > > > It suddenly struck me to work out the Budh ka bhed { nature of > > mercury }. Mercury was placed with rahu. When I worked out the > > nature of mercury it turned out to be that of Venus. Now the > > combination turned out to be venus + rahu " ketu gina phal shukra > > manda". The upaya was done. Now they have a daughter.> > > > > > [ A ] Remember to work out the budh ka bhed { nature of > > > > > > mercury }. Mercury is a very tricky planet. Just keep an eye > on > > > > > > him.> > > > > > Let me give you another example. I got a message that the > native > > had severe trouble in his spinal cord. As usual any astrologer > will > > have a look at Ketu in the chart for any back bone problem. There > > was perceptibly nothing wrong with Ketu in the chart. I looked at > > the Vinshottari dasha to get some hint from. Nothing worth > noticing > > there either. Finally I decided to examine the planets which could > > make ketu a bali ka bakara { scapegoat }. There I found that > Jupiter > > was under duress from Mercury. Jupiter in turn passed on its > > onslaught over to Ketu. In this case first an upaya will have to > be > > done to save Jupiter from the affliction of mercury , strengthen > > Jupiter and later the upaya for Ketu. > > > > > > Normally when an astrologer sees any problem with back bone he > > would suggest an upaya for ketu without really going at the root > of > > the problem.. Such an upaya will fail because first the upaya has > to > > be done of the affliction of Jupiter by mercury.> > > > > > [ B ] Therefore always keep an eye open for bali ka bakra > > > > > > { scapegoat } concept. For all we know the real cause of the > > > > > > problem might lie some where else.> > > > > > [ C ] Similarly Sahni ka swabhav { nature of Saturn}too has to > > be > > > > > > kept in mind while dealing with finances, jobs or any 10th > house > > > > > > significations.> > > > > > Summarizing : Although budh ka bhed { nature of mercury }, > Bali > > ka bakara { scapegoat } and shani ka swabhav { nature of Saturn } > > may not be often talked about concepts of the Lal Kitab, but in > > actual horoscope reading they have to be kept in mind always. > These > > concepts are very commonly used and are very handy. By doing so, I > > do not claim that the mistakes would be eliminated, but I am sure > > they will be reduced to a minimum.> > > > > > Bhooshan Priya> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - > Answers> > >> >> We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love(and love to hate): TV's Guilty Pleasures list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 Dear Yograj ji, Thank you. I stand corrected. Regards, Chandra Prakash , " Yograj Prabhakar " <yr_prabhakar wrote: > > Dear Chandra Prakash ji > > The correct word is Masnooyee (Mas-noo-yee) not Masnavee. > Masnavi/masnavee is actually a long poem consisting of an > indefinite number of couplets. > > Regards > Yogaj Prabhakar > > > > , " lalkitabee " > <lalkitabee@> wrote: > > > > > Respected Dennis > > don be loose hearted by the words of Tyagi ji.It will be better to > > purchase English Translation of the 1952 edition.U will get more & > > more in remedial astrology with this book,if u r interested.But it > > is my personal advice that lalkitab is not like a list of remedies > > according houses of horoscope.It is a system to analyze horoscope & > > to provide remedy(if possible) after analyzations.It has five > > editions in urdu & most popular & most elaborated edition is 1952 > > edition. > > With regards > > Lalkitabee V.K.Shukla > > > > , " cptyagi2007 " > > <cptyagi2007@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear dennis ji, > > > > > > Masnavee is the artificial planet which is created by a > > combination > > > of two planets. > > > > > > . " Ya yun kaho ki Akl(Budh)sab taraf gaanthhain lagaa rahee > hai " .. > > > or we could say that intellect { mercury }is putting knots all > > > around. > > > > > > " yah gaanth hee girah " grah " hai " ... and these knots are the > > > planets themselves. > > > > > > I think you should buy the English Translation of the 1952 > > edition. > > > That will help you a lot. I am afraid in this group a lot of > > > discussion or quotations will be in Hindi and it may not be > > possible > > > to translate them for you every time. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Dennis " > > > <mprgrandmaster@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Jai Shri MatajI! > > > > Kindly, can you tell me what MASHNAVEE is? > > > > Also, sorry for the incovenience but can someone please > > translate > > > the quotes from Lal Kitab given in the email below?Again, I umbly > > > apologise and thank you for you understading. > > > > Regards, > > > > Dennis > > > > - > > > > lalkitabee > > > > > > > > Sunday, April 08, 2007 9:39 PM > > > > Re: Why do remedies fail : debate > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Bhushan ji > > > > Yes now u hit at heart of my opening note.I don know im wrong > > or > > > > right but after some mails & participation of some members i > > > have no > > > > hitch to say that my opinion may be at right track ,though I > > > request > > > > to all members to correct my views > > > > I saw that lalkitab focuced so much at the nature of budh & > > > > saturn . Im quoting a line " budh mukhannas chakra sabhee ka > > > jismain > > > > sab ye ghoomte hain. " All of u are known to the importance of > > > budh > > > > due to last disscussion in andhaa Teva & buh ka bhed & about > > > saturn > > > > in the disscussion of Neohrata Teva .Respected members these > > two > > > > planets r specially elaborated naturewise in lalkitab.It > means > > > both > > > > have a special nature to find out.Another thing i want to > > share > > > that > > > > in Mashnuyee Concept of planets u will find importance of > > > Budh.Even > > > > there is a line in lalkitab at the page . " Ya yun kaho ki Akl > > > (Budh) > > > > sab taraf gaanthhain lagaa rahee hai " . before this line u > will > > > > find " yah gaanth hee girah " grah " hai. I think the budh has > > the > > > > major content to prepare MASHNAVEE in all planets (Directly & > > > > indirectly).At other side SATURN has the power to spread > > > darkness & > > > > all activities of Grah chali bachchaa are explained in the > > GLASS > > > OF > > > > BUDH.So in my opinion if we will be able to measure the > > quantity > > > of > > > > the power of budh & saturn in each horoscope (not > SWABHAAV),it > > > can > > > > help so much to decide success of remedy as wel as remedy > > > failure. > > > > With regards > > > > Lakitabee V.K.Shukla > > > > , " cptyagi2007 " > > > > <cptyagi2007@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dennis ji, > > > > > > > > > > There is a mathematical process through which the nature of > > > > mercury > > > > > is ascertained. I am giving the process here : > > > > > In order to find the nature of mercury each planet is > > assigned > > > a > > > > > value, this value is only for this purpose, it is not a > > value > > > > > assigned to the planets permanently. > > > > > > > > > > Sun : 9 > > > > > Moon : 8 > > > > > Mars : 5 > > > > > Mercury : 4 > > > > > Jupiter : 6 > > > > > Venus : 7 > > > > > Saturn : 3 > > > > > Rahu : 2 > > > > > Ketu : 1 > > > > > > > > > > Step #1 : multiply the value of the planet with the house > > > number > > > > the > > > > > planet is situated in. > > > > > Suppose the sun is in the 6th house then 6 X 9 = 54 , and > so > > > on. > > > > > Work out for all the planets in the horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > Step # 2 : Add all the results together. Divide that total > > by > > > > 9. > > > > > > > > > > If the remainder is : > > > > > > > > > > 0 = mercury will behave like the planet placed in the 5th > > > house. > > > > If > > > > > the 5th house is not occupied then it will behave like the > > sun > > > > where > > > > > ever the sun is placed. > > > > > 1 = like Ketu > > > > > 2 = like rahu > > > > > 3 = like Saturn > > > > > 4 = like mercury { itself } > > > > > 5 = like mars > > > > > 6 = like Jupiter > > > > > 7 = like venus > > > > > 8 = like moon > > > > > > > > > > Thus the nature of mercury is ascertained. > > > > > > > > > > About the scapegoat : it is not necessary that every time a > > > planet > > > > > would pass on its troubles to the scapegoat it has for this > > > > > purpose. The planet may or may not pass it on to the > > scapegoat. > > > > > For example Jupiter might sustain all the duress itself and > > > not > > > > pass > > > > > it to Ketu. But it is always better to have a look at this > > > aspect > > > > of > > > > > troubles being passed on to another planet. > > > > > > > > > > If we know that ketu is not afflicted and still the > > > indications > > > > are > > > > > of afflicted ketu { like back pain etc }then we know that > > the > > > > > problem has been passed on to Ketu by some other planet. We > > > look > > > > for > > > > > that planet. > > > > > > > > > > Even this is possible that both the planets might be > showing > > > > > indications of affliction { Jupiter > father not well; ketu > > > > > > back > > > > > ache } > > > > > The upaya has to be done for both the planets. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Dennis " > > > > > <mprgrandmaster@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Jai Shri Mataji! > > > > > > Quite interesting emails, indeed!I have some doupts, > > thoguh, > > > > > please kindly clarify. > > > > > > About the nature of Mercury, I do not quite understand > > > this.Can > > > > > you,please,explain more? > > > > > > About the scapegoat problem, is this principles aalways > > > applied? > > > > I > > > > > mean , whenever Jupiter is afflicted, He always passes the > > > problem > > > > > to Ketu?If this is true, then what exactly will the results > > > be :a) > > > > > problems with Jupiter shall manifest to the native, b) > > problems > > > > with > > > > > Ketu shall manifest to the native or c)both? When an uapay > > for > > > a > > > > > planet is done, should we do an upaya for its guradian > > planet > > > > (e.g. > > > > > Ketu in case of Jupiter) as well, as the problem is > > > transferred > > > > > always to them? > > > > > > I would appreciate it if English is used as do not > > > understand > > > > > Hindi .:-( > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Dionisis > > > > > > - > > > > > > cptyagi2007 > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, April 07, 2007 6:25 PM > > > > > > Re: Why do remedies fail : debate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you please elaborate your quote so that the meaning > > > gets > > > > > > cleared for other members? If possible write it in > English > > > > > because > > > > > > there are quite a few members who do not understand Hindi. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " kulbirbains " > > > > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Enlightening indeed; pt. ji, may I also add in remedy > > > > failure > > > > > > > regard that LK 1942; PAGE 62 says®®®. Har grah apme > > > > khanawar > > > > > haal > > > > > > > me diya hua sar diya karta hai; LEKIN AGAR KHUD JATI > > > KOSHISH > > > > > SE > > > > > > KOI > > > > > > > NAYA WAQYA KHADA KARE JO IS GRAH KI MUTALQA, CHEEZON KE > > > ASAR > > > > > > KE > > > > > > > KHILAF HOVE TO ASAR ME TABDILI AA JAYEGI®. This should > > be > > > > > checked > > > > > > > before prescribing a > > > > > > > > > > > > > remedy. > > > > > > > Kulbir bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Pandit > > > Bhooshan > > > > > Priya > > > > > > > <@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Assuming that the native has done all the upaya with > > > full > > > > > > faith > > > > > > > and regularity keeping in mind all the rules and still > > the > > > > > upaya > > > > > > > have failed. In this case, there can be no other excuse > > > > except > > > > > > that > > > > > > > the astrologer had failed to either diagnose the > problem > > > > > properly > > > > > > or > > > > > > > to prescribe the correct upaya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For a person like me who examines some 10-15 > > horoscopes > > > > > every > > > > > > > day, this happens every now and then. The mistake > occurs > > > at > > > > my > > > > > > end. > > > > > > > It could occur at any of the following steps > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At times it becomes difficult to pin point the exact > > > > problem > > > > > > > from the long winding narrative posted by the native. > > > > > Invariably > > > > > > the > > > > > > > first post is more of pouring out of the heart than to > > > state > > > > > the > > > > > > > problem. It is always advisable to make the native send > > > his > > > > > > problem > > > > > > > in a brief note. This problem would not occur if the > > > native > > > > is > > > > > > there > > > > > > > in front of you in a personal one to one chat. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once the problem is known the next step is to > identify > > > the > > > > > > > planet/s which might be causing this problem. This is > > > where > > > > > there > > > > > > > are maximum chances of going wrong. One slip and you > are > > > off > > > > > the > > > > > > > tangent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my experience I have found that the mistakes are > > > > > committed > > > > > > > because we do not pay adequate attention to the less > > > talked > > > > > about > > > > > > > concepts of the Lal Kitab. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me give you an example, I got a message in my > > group > > > > from > > > > > > a > > > > > > > couple who didn't have a child. The doctors confirmed > > that > > > > > there > > > > > > > was no physical deformity. I looked at both the charts, > > > > > husband's > > > > > > > and wife's , and didn't find any of the planetary > > > > combinations > > > > > > that > > > > > > > could either deny or delay progeny. On the contrary in > > the > > > > > chart > > > > > > of > > > > > > > the husband Mars and venus were together in the 7th > > house > > > > for > > > > > > which > > > > > > > the book says, " sukh sagar ho bhari kabeela, santaan > > pota > > > > sab > > > > > > > phalata ho " { will be happy with a large family, sons > > and > > > > > > grandsons > > > > > > > flourishing } ® it further says that `tevewala kabhi > > > lavald > > > > na > > > > > > hoga > > > > > > > chahe uske santaan yog lakh mande hi kyon na hon' { > will > > > not > > > > > be > > > > > > > without progeny even if he might have hundreds of manda > > > > > planetary > > > > > > > combinations of progeny}. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It suddenly struck me to work out the Budh ka bhed { > > > > nature > > > > > of > > > > > > > mercury }. Mercury was placed with rahu. When I worked > > out > > > > the > > > > > > > nature of mercury it turned out to be that of Venus. > Now > > > the > > > > > > > combination turned out to be venus + rahu " ketu gina > > phal > > > > > shukra > > > > > > > manda " . The upaya was done. Now they have a daughter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ A ] Remember to work out the budh ka bhed { nature > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mercury }. Mercury is a very tricky planet. Just keep > > an > > > > eye > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me give you another example. I got a message that > > > the > > > > > > native > > > > > > > had severe trouble in his spinal cord. As usual any > > > > astrologer > > > > > > will > > > > > > > have a look at Ketu in the chart for any back bone > > > problem. > > > > > There > > > > > > > was perceptibly nothing wrong with Ketu in the chart. I > > > > looked > > > > > at > > > > > > > the Vinshottari dasha to get some hint from. Nothing > > worth > > > > > > noticing > > > > > > > there either. Finally I decided to examine the planets > > > which > > > > > could > > > > > > > make ketu a bali ka bakara { scapegoat }. There I found > > > that > > > > > > Jupiter > > > > > > > was under duress from Mercury. Jupiter in turn passed > on > > > its > > > > > > > onslaught over to Ketu. In this case first an upaya > will > > > > have > > > > > to > > > > > > be > > > > > > > done to save Jupiter from the affliction of mercury , > > > > > strengthen > > > > > > > Jupiter and later the upaya for Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Normally when an astrologer sees any problem with > back > > > > bone > > > > > he > > > > > > > would suggest an upaya for ketu without really going at > > > the > > > > > root > > > > > > of > > > > > > > the problem.. Such an upaya will fail because first the > > > > upaya > > > > > has > > > > > > to > > > > > > > be done of the affliction of Jupiter by mercury. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ B ] Therefore always keep an eye open for bali ka > > > bakra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > { scapegoat } concept. For all we know the real cause > > of > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > problem might lie some where else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ C ] Similarly Sahni ka swabhav { nature of Saturn} > > too > > > > has > > > > > to > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kept in mind while dealing with finances, jobs or any > > > 10th > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > significations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Summarizing : Although budh ka bhed { nature of > > > mercury }, > > > > > > Bali > > > > > > > ka bakara { scapegoat } and shani ka swabhav { nature > of > > > > > Saturn } > > > > > > > may not be often talked about concepts of the Lal > Kitab, > > > but > > > > > in > > > > > > > actual horoscope reading they have to be kept in mind > > > > always. > > > > > > These > > > > > > > concepts are very commonly used and are very handy. By > > > doing > > > > > so, I > > > > > > > do not claim that the mistakes would be eliminated, but > > I > > > am > > > > > sure > > > > > > > they will be reduced to a minimum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhooshan Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - > > > > > > > > > Answers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 Dear Lalkitabee ji, You are absolutely right and also on the right track. I must admire your insight into the Grammar part of the book. Your analysis of Mercury and its role is very well brought out. As we all know that Pandit ji was quite weary of mercury, so much so that he gave it a few names like `zahari' poisonous ; `mukhannas' eunuch ; `bewafa londi' treacherous woman; `gaanth' knot ; `shaktiman' powerful ; `ullu ka pattha' a damn fool; and so on. You are right when you said that the frequency of mercury and the Saturn would be far greater if we expend the sub-parts of planets for Masnooyee content. I once tried this for fun and was shocked when at the end of the page mercury and Saturn occurred more times than other planets. I wouldn't be surprised if at the end we find just mercury and Saturn , haven't tried though. I just wanted to add some thing though not astrological. I firmly believe that unless there is a blessing of the Ishta Devta or Pandit ji himself, not many upaya will be successful. I also believe that those who study Lal Kitab or prescribe the upaya from it have been chosen by the benevolent spirit of Pandit ji to carry forward his mission of serving the man kind. I have often felt that Spirit almost dictating to me. Just non-astrological musings. God bless you, Bhooshan Priya , " lalkitabee " <lalkitabee wrote: > > Respected Bhushan ji > Yes now u hit at heart of my opening note.I don know im wrong or > right but after some mails & participation of some members i have no > hitch to say that my opinion may be at right track ,though I request > to all members to correct my views > I saw that lalkitab focuced so much at the nature of budh & > saturn . Im quoting a line " budh mukhannas chakra sabhee ka jismain > sab ye ghoomte hain. " All of u are known to the importance of budh > due to last disscussion in andhaa Teva & buh ka bhed & about saturn > in the disscussion of Neohrata Teva .Respected members these two > planets r specially elaborated naturewise in lalkitab.It means both > have a special nature to find out.Another thing i want to share that > in Mashnuyee Concept of planets u will find importance of Budh.Even > there is a line in lalkitab at the page . " Ya yun kaho ki Akl(Budh) > sab taraf gaanthhain lagaa rahee hai " . before this line u will > find " yah gaanth hee girah " grah " hai. I think the budh has the > major content to prepare MASHNAVEE in all planets (Directly & > indirectly).At other side SATURN has the power to spread darkness & > all activities of Grah chali bachchaa are explained in the GLASS OF > BUDH.So in my opinion if we will be able to measure the quantity of > the power of budh & saturn in each horoscope (not SWABHAAV),it can > help so much to decide success of remedy as wel as remedy failure. > With regards > Lakitabee V.K.Shukla > , " cptyagi2007 " > <cptyagi2007@> wrote: > > > > Dear Dennis ji, > > > > There is a mathematical process through which the nature of > mercury > > is ascertained. I am giving the process here : > > In order to find the nature of mercury each planet is assigned a > > value, this value is only for this purpose, it is not a value > > assigned to the planets permanently. > > > > Sun : 9 > > Moon : 8 > > Mars : 5 > > Mercury : 4 > > Jupiter : 6 > > Venus : 7 > > Saturn : 3 > > Rahu : 2 > > Ketu : 1 > > > > Step #1 : multiply the value of the planet with the house number > the > > planet is situated in. > > Suppose the sun is in the 6th house then 6 X 9 = 54 , and so on. > > Work out for all the planets in the horoscope. > > > > Step # 2 : Add all the results together. Divide that total by > 9. > > > > If the remainder is : > > > > 0 = mercury will behave like the planet placed in the 5th house. > If > > the 5th house is not occupied then it will behave like the sun > where > > ever the sun is placed. > > 1 = like Ketu > > 2 = like rahu > > 3 = like Saturn > > 4 = like mercury { itself } > > 5 = like mars > > 6 = like Jupiter > > 7 = like venus > > 8 = like moon > > > > Thus the nature of mercury is ascertained. > > > > About the scapegoat : it is not necessary that every time a planet > > would pass on its troubles to the scapegoat it has for this > > purpose. The planet may or may not pass it on to the scapegoat. > > For example Jupiter might sustain all the duress itself and not > pass > > it to Ketu. But it is always better to have a look at this aspect > of > > troubles being passed on to another planet. > > > > If we know that ketu is not afflicted and still the indications > are > > of afflicted ketu { like back pain etc }then we know that the > > problem has been passed on to Ketu by some other planet. We look > for > > that planet. > > > > Even this is possible that both the planets might be showing > > indications of affliction { Jupiter > father not well; ketu > back > > ache } > > The upaya has to be done for both the planets. > > > > Regards, > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Dennis " > > <mprgrandmaster@> wrote: > > > > > > Jai Shri Mataji! > > > Quite interesting emails, indeed!I have some doupts, thoguh, > > please kindly clarify. > > > About the nature of Mercury, I do not quite understand this.Can > > you,please,explain more? > > > About the scapegoat problem, is this principles aalways applied? > I > > mean , whenever Jupiter is afflicted, He always passes the problem > > to Ketu?If this is true, then what exactly will the results be :a) > > problems with Jupiter shall manifest to the native, b)problems > with > > Ketu shall manifest to the native or c)both? When an uapay for a > > planet is done, should we do an upaya for its guradian planet > (e.g. > > Ketu in case of Jupiter) as well, as the problem is transferred > > always to them? > > > I would appreciate it if English is used as do not understand > > Hindi .:-( > > > Regards, > > > Dionisis > > > - > > > cptyagi2007 > > > > > > Saturday, April 07, 2007 6:25 PM > > > Re: Why do remedies fail : debate > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji, > > > > > > Could you please elaborate your quote so that the meaning gets > > > cleared for other members? If possible write it in English > > because > > > there are quite a few members who do not understand Hindi. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > > , " kulbirbains " > > > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Enlightening indeed; pt. ji, may I also add in remedy > failure > > > > regard that LK 1942; PAGE 62 says®®®. Har grah apme > khanawar > > haal > > > > me diya hua sar diya karta hai; LEKIN AGAR KHUD JATI KOSHISH > > SE > > > KOI > > > > NAYA WAQYA KHADA KARE JO IS GRAH KI MUTALQA, CHEEZON KE ASAR > > > KE > > > > KHILAF HOVE TO ASAR ME TABDILI AA JAYEGI®. This should be > > checked > > > > before prescribing a > > > > > > > remedy. > > > > Kulbir bains > > > > > > > > , Pandit Bhooshan > > Priya > > > > <@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > Assuming that the native has done all the upaya with full > > > faith > > > > and regularity keeping in mind all the rules and still the > > upaya > > > > have failed. In this case, there can be no other excuse > except > > > that > > > > the astrologer had failed to either diagnose the problem > > properly > > > or > > > > to prescribe the correct upaya. > > > > > > > > > > For a person like me who examines some 10-15 horoscopes > > every > > > > day, this happens every now and then. The mistake occurs at > my > > > end. > > > > It could occur at any of the following steps > > > > > > > > > > At times it becomes difficult to pin point the exact > problem > > > > from the long winding narrative posted by the native. > > Invariably > > > the > > > > first post is more of pouring out of the heart than to state > > the > > > > problem. It is always advisable to make the native send his > > > problem > > > > in a brief note. This problem would not occur if the native > is > > > there > > > > in front of you in a personal one to one chat. > > > > > > > > > > Once the problem is known the next step is to identify the > > > > planet/s which might be causing this problem. This is where > > there > > > > are maximum chances of going wrong. One slip and you are off > > the > > > > tangent. > > > > > > > > > > In my experience I have found that the mistakes are > > committed > > > > because we do not pay adequate attention to the less talked > > about > > > > concepts of the Lal Kitab. > > > > > > > > > > Let me give you an example, I got a message in my group > from > > > a > > > > couple who didn't have a child. The doctors confirmed that > > there > > > > was no physical deformity. I looked at both the charts, > > husband's > > > > and wife's , and didn't find any of the planetary > combinations > > > that > > > > could either deny or delay progeny. On the contrary in the > > chart > > > of > > > > the husband Mars and venus were together in the 7th house > for > > > which > > > > the book says, " sukh sagar ho bhari kabeela, santaan pota > sab > > > > phalata ho " { will be happy with a large family, sons and > > > grandsons > > > > flourishing } ® it further says that `tevewala kabhi lavald > na > > > hoga > > > > chahe uske santaan yog lakh mande hi kyon na hon' { will not > > be > > > > without progeny even if he might have hundreds of manda > > planetary > > > > combinations of progeny}. > > > > > > > > > > It suddenly struck me to work out the Budh ka bhed { > nature > > of > > > > mercury }. Mercury was placed with rahu. When I worked out > the > > > > nature of mercury it turned out to be that of Venus. Now the > > > > combination turned out to be venus + rahu " ketu gina phal > > shukra > > > > manda " . The upaya was done. Now they have a daughter. > > > > > > > > > > [ A ] Remember to work out the budh ka bhed { nature of > > > > > > > > > > mercury }. Mercury is a very tricky planet. Just keep an > eye > > > on > > > > > > > > > > him. > > > > > > > > > > Let me give you another example. I got a message that the > > > native > > > > had severe trouble in his spinal cord. As usual any > astrologer > > > will > > > > have a look at Ketu in the chart for any back bone problem. > > There > > > > was perceptibly nothing wrong with Ketu in the chart. I > looked > > at > > > > the Vinshottari dasha to get some hint from. Nothing worth > > > noticing > > > > there either. Finally I decided to examine the planets which > > could > > > > make ketu a bali ka bakara { scapegoat }. There I found that > > > Jupiter > > > > was under duress from Mercury. Jupiter in turn passed on its > > > > onslaught over to Ketu. In this case first an upaya will > have > > to > > > be > > > > done to save Jupiter from the affliction of mercury , > > strengthen > > > > Jupiter and later the upaya for Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > Normally when an astrologer sees any problem with back > bone > > he > > > > would suggest an upaya for ketu without really going at the > > root > > > of > > > > the problem.. Such an upaya will fail because first the > upaya > > has > > > to > > > > be done of the affliction of Jupiter by mercury. > > > > > > > > > > [ B ] Therefore always keep an eye open for bali ka bakra > > > > > > > > > > { scapegoat } concept. For all we know the real cause of > the > > > > > > > > > > problem might lie some where else. > > > > > > > > > > [ C ] Similarly Sahni ka swabhav { nature of Saturn}too > has > > to > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > kept in mind while dealing with finances, jobs or any 10th > > > house > > > > > > > > > > significations. > > > > > > > > > > Summarizing : Although budh ka bhed { nature of mercury }, > > > Bali > > > > ka bakara { scapegoat } and shani ka swabhav { nature of > > Saturn } > > > > may not be often talked about concepts of the Lal Kitab, but > > in > > > > actual horoscope reading they have to be kept in mind > always. > > > These > > > > concepts are very commonly used and are very handy. By doing > > so, I > > > > do not claim that the mistakes would be eliminated, but I am > > sure > > > > they will be reduced to a minimum. > > > > > > > > > > Bhooshan Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - > > > Answers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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