Guest guest Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 >>Although I am a beginner and a new member to the group but still the answer given by Pandit Ji seems to be more Rational & Logical. These interpretations will help us in right learning. Thanks. Pradeep , Pandit Bhooshan Priya < wrote: > > Dear Seema, > > Soye huye grah { dormant planets } > > > If a planet is placed such that it does not aspect another planet, it would be considered as dormant {or soya huaa}. A planet placed in its pakka house will always be considered as awakened [ Lal Kitab concept] > > Apart from the above, a planet placed in its own rasi or exalted will also be considered as awakened irrespective of whether there is a planet under its aspect or not. [ our interpretation] > > > The Lal Kitab { page # 96 ed1952 } says : woh grah sab kuchh hote huye bhi apana koi nek asar nahi dega ...such a planet will not give its benefic result in spite of every thing else. > > sab kuchha hote huye bhi [ in spite of every thing ] is a sweeping statement which could be construed to mean that a planet even if in an exalted state, its own rasi or in its own pakka house can be considered as dormant or soya hua if it doesn't have another planet under its aspect. > > I have my serious reservations about this statement in the book because it negates an astrological truth. The truth is that the planet is placed in the house. Whether it would give the results or not , how could that be dependent on whether there is a planet under its aspect or not. How can the existence of a planet be denied on the grounds that it doesn't have another planet under its aspect. This will be contrary to all the tenets of astrology , vedic or western. > > > Therefore my assumptions are : > > [ a ] The planet does not stop giving results even though Lal Kitab might declare it dormant. > > [ b ] That the results, benefic or malefic, of such a planet stay confined to that house only. > > Suppose Jupiter is placed in the 4th house and if there is no planet in the 10th house does it mean that jupiter will stop giving results even to the house it is placed in. If this is what the Lal Kitab is meant to say, then it will be contrary to all the tenets of astrology, and can not be accepted. > > Therefore I believe that aise grah ka asar jaari rahta hai lekin asar us ghar tak hi mehdood rahta hai .. the effect of such a planet continues to be there but it stays confined to that house only. > > A better word for a dormant or soya hua planet should be a confined or niruddha or mehdood planet. > > Soya hua ghar { dormant house } > > A house which does not have a planet placed in it, and consequently does not get an aspect of any planet either, is considered as a dormant house.[ Lal Kitab] > > This simply means that the results signified by that house can not be manifested unless it either has a planet in it or has an aspect of a planet on it. [ our interpretation ] > Here I am assuming the vedic astrology concept that a house can be aspected by a planet even if it is unoccupied. > > In Vedic astrology a house which neither has a planet in it nor has an aspect of a planet on it , is known as 'supta bhav' or a dormant house. > > God bless you, > > Bhooshan Priya > > > > > > > Check out what you're missing if you're not on Messenger > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 Respected Pandit ji, Thank you for a very reasoned and logical explanation. Sir, if you say that Jupiter placed in the 4th house, in spite of being soya hua, will continue to give effects for that house, then what will be the effects of jupiter for the 4th house. Which areas it may not give results of. Respectfully, Seema , Pandit Bhooshan Priya < wrote: > > Dear Seema, > > Soye huye grah { dormant planets } > > > If a planet is placed such that it does not aspect another planet, it would be considered as dormant {or soya huaa}. A planet placed in its pakka house will always be considered as awakened [ Lal Kitab concept] > > Apart from the above, a planet placed in its own rasi or exalted will also be considered as awakened irrespective of whether there is a planet under its aspect or not. [ our interpretation] > > > The Lal Kitab { page # 96 ed1952 } says : woh grah sab kuchh hote huye bhi apana koi nek asar nahi dega ...such a planet will not give its benefic result in spite of every thing else. > > sab kuchha hote huye bhi [ in spite of every thing ] is a sweeping statement which could be construed to mean that a planet even if in an exalted state, its own rasi or in its own pakka house can be considered as dormant or soya hua if it doesn't have another planet under its aspect. > > I have my serious reservations about this statement in the book because it negates an astrological truth. The truth is that the planet is placed in the house. Whether it would give the results or not , how could that be dependent on whether there is a planet under its aspect or not. How can the existence of a planet be denied on the grounds that it doesn't have another planet under its aspect. This will be contrary to all the tenets of astrology , vedic or western. > > > Therefore my assumptions are : > > [ a ] The planet does not stop giving results even though Lal Kitab might declare it dormant. > > [ b ] That the results, benefic or malefic, of such a planet stay confined to that house only. > > Suppose Jupiter is placed in the 4th house and if there is no planet in the 10th house does it mean that jupiter will stop giving results even to the house it is placed in. If this is what the Lal Kitab is meant to say, then it will be contrary to all the tenets of astrology, and can not be accepted. > > Therefore I believe that aise grah ka asar jaari rahta hai lekin asar us ghar tak hi mehdood rahta hai .. the effect of such a planet continues to be there but it stays confined to that house only. > > A better word for a dormant or soya hua planet should be a confined or niruddha or mehdood planet. > > Soya hua ghar { dormant house } > > A house which does not have a planet placed in it, and consequently does not get an aspect of any planet either, is considered as a dormant house.[ Lal Kitab] > > This simply means that the results signified by that house can not be manifested unless it either has a planet in it or has an aspect of a planet on it. [ our interpretation ] > Here I am assuming the vedic astrology concept that a house can be aspected by a planet even if it is unoccupied. > > In Vedic astrology a house which neither has a planet in it nor has an aspect of a planet on it , is known as 'supta bhav' or a dormant house. > > God bless you, > > Bhooshan Priya > > > > > > > Check out what you're missing if you're not on Messenger > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 Dear Seema, Yes, jupiter placed in the 4th house, in spite of being soya hua as per Lal Kitab, will continue to give benefic results for the significations of the 4th house unless the house is afflicted by some malefic planet. The result of Jupiter will be confined to the 4th house significations alone. That is why I prefer calling it a 'mehdood grah'. Such as.. [ a ] Mother : the native will have comforts from his mother { mataa ka sukh }, she will be a very pious and a religious lady. [ b ] Education : he will have an uniterrupted good early education. [ c ] House : It will be a good well built house. [ d ] Comforts : he will enjoy all comforts. [ e ] Conveyance: he will enjoy the comforts of good conveyance. As far as the other effects, not pertaining to the 4th house, are concerned, may not manifest. I said 'may not'. Such as : [ a ] gambheer swabhav { serious nature }, he may not be of serious nature. [ b ] father : It is not necessary that he enjoys the comforts of his father { pitaa ka sukh } [ c ] Fame : may not achieve great fame. [ d ] religious : May not be very religious himself. and so on... God bless you Bhooshan Priya , " seema_pr " <seema_pr wrote: > > Respected Pandit ji, > > Thank you for a very reasoned and logical explanation. Sir, if you > say that Jupiter placed in the 4th house, in spite of being soya > hua, will continue to give effects for that house, then what will be > the effects of jupiter for the 4th house. Which areas it may not > give results of. > > Respectfully, > > Seema , Pandit Bhooshan Priya > <@> wrote: > > > > Dear Seema, > > > > Soye huye grah { dormant planets } > > > > > > If a planet is placed such that it does not aspect another > planet, it would be considered as dormant {or soya huaa}. A planet > placed in its pakka house will always be considered as awakened [ > Lal Kitab concept] > > > > Apart from the above, a planet placed in its own rasi or > exalted will also be considered as awakened irrespective of > whether there is a planet under its aspect or not. [ our > interpretation] > > > > > > The Lal Kitab { page # 96 ed1952 } says : woh grah sab kuchh > hote huye bhi apana koi nek asar nahi dega ...such a planet will > not give its benefic result in spite of every thing else. > > > > sab kuchha hote huye bhi [ in spite of every thing ] is a > sweeping statement which could be construed to mean that a planet > even if in an exalted state, its own rasi or in its own pakka house > can be considered as dormant or soya hua if it doesn't have another > planet under its aspect. > > > > I have my serious reservations about this statement in the book > because it negates an astrological truth. The truth is that the > planet is placed in the house. Whether it would give the results or > not , how could that be dependent on whether there is a planet under > its aspect or not. How can the existence of a planet be denied on > the grounds that it doesn't have another planet under its aspect. > This will be contrary to all the tenets of astrology , vedic or > western. > > > > > > Therefore my assumptions are : > > > > [ a ] The planet does not stop giving results even though Lal > Kitab might declare it dormant. > > > > [ b ] That the results, benefic or malefic, of such a planet > stay confined to that house only. > > > > Suppose Jupiter is placed in the 4th house and if there is no > planet in the 10th house does it mean that jupiter will stop giving > results even to the house it is placed in. If this is what the Lal > Kitab is meant to say, then it will be contrary to all the tenets of > astrology, and can not be accepted. > > > > Therefore I believe that aise grah ka asar jaari rahta hai lekin > asar us ghar tak hi mehdood rahta hai .. the effect of such a planet > continues to be there but it stays confined to that house only. > > > > A better word for a dormant or soya hua planet should be a > confined or niruddha or mehdood planet. > > > > Soya hua ghar { dormant house } > > > > A house which does not have a planet placed in it, and > consequently does not get an aspect of any planet either, is > considered as a dormant house.[ Lal Kitab] > > > > This simply means that the results signified by that house can > not be manifested unless it either has a planet in it or has an > aspect of a planet on it. [ our interpretation ] > > Here I am assuming the vedic astrology concept that a house can > be aspected by a planet even if it is unoccupied. > > > > In Vedic astrology a house which neither has a planet in it nor > has an aspect of a planet on it , is known as 'supta bhav' or a > dormant house. > > > > God bless you, > > > > Bhooshan Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out what you're missing if you're not on Messenger > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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