Guest guest Posted May 8, 2007 Report Share Posted May 8, 2007 Respected Sirs, Why an upaya after all ? What purpose does it serve? What is the spirit behind suggesting remedies? Sir these questions might sound very naive, but need to be clarified. To my mind the purpose could be more than just getting relief from the troubles the planets are causing. I have been reading all such statements like, destroying a planet, distancing a planet, appeasing a planet, strengthening a planet, making a planet swear to behave and so on. Does the purpose of the upaya end here ? Or there is more to it? Could any Guru throw some more light on it ? Respectfully, Roopak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2007 Report Share Posted May 8, 2007 Dear Roopak ji, Upaya : is a ‘prayashchit’ and ‘tapasya’ Let’s understand the nature and the spirit of upaya. Whether the upaya are like ‘mantra' 'jaap’ , ‘pooja’ ‘havan’ ‘daan’ ‘fasting’ ‘pilgrimage’ of the Vedic astrology or simple ethnic upaya of the Lal Kitab ; the purpose is the same .It is both a repentance and a penance . Doing an upaya is doing a prayashchit ---a repentance . We through our own actions turn benefic planets into malefic ; may be even through an inadvertent action. By doing an upaya we repent for having done those deeds. For example : Saturn might be very well placed , but we might make it ‘manda’ or ‘ashubh’ by drinking liquor or maltreating our servants ; The moon might be well placed but we might make it ‘ashubh’ by harassing our mother and so on. Therefore one of the major purpose of the upaya is to repent ; by feeding the fish or touching the feet of our mother and seek her blessings. Doing an upaya is also doing a tapasya , a penance : throwing a coin each day into a river for 43 days regularly or carrying 8 haldi ganth to a temple for 8 days regularly. Its no joke to go miles to throw a coin into a river, not just once , but for 43 days or driving for a couple of hours to reach a temple eight days in a row. These upaya test our patience and that’s what the ‘tapasya’ is all about. If we want some thing from some one we have to appease him. If we have to appease some one , in this case a planet , we have to do the ‘tapasya’ : the penance . A penance is never easy ; it’s hard, grueling and tough. Tougher the penance is , the sweeter are the fruits. Therefore the upaya have to be done in the spirit of ‘prayishchit’ and ‘tapasya’ : repentance and penance. There are no short cuts to either of them. You have to do both with religious piety and rigor. If the upaya are done in this spirit and faith, I don’t see any reason why they shouldn’t be effective. If in spite of your having done the upaya with extreme religious rigor and piety there are no positive results, then the fault will be entirely that of the astrologer. That means he failed to diagnose the malady correctly or that he failed to devise the correct upaya ; and as a human being it could be quite possible. We are no Pt. Roopchand Joshi; he was a ‘siddha purush’. Bhooshan Priya , " roopak.rastogi " <roopak.rastogi wrote: > > Respected Sirs, > > Why an upaya after all ? What purpose does it serve? What is the > spirit behind suggesting remedies? > > Sir these questions might sound very naive, but need to be clarified. > To my mind the purpose could be more than just getting relief from the > troubles the planets are causing. > > I have been reading all such statements like, destroying a planet, > distancing a planet, appeasing a planet, strengthening a planet, > making a planet swear to behave and so on. Does the purpose of the > upaya end here ? Or there is more to it? > > Could any Guru throw some more light on it ? > > Respectfully, > > Roopak > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 Respected Sir, Thank you very much for your learned explanation. Respectfully, Roopak , " " < wrote: > > Dear Roopak ji, > > Upaya : is a ‘prayashchit’ and ‘tapasya’ > > Let’s understand the nature and the spirit of upaya. Whether the > upaya are > like ‘mantra' 'jaap’ , ‘pooja’ ‘havan’ ‘daan’ ‘fasting’ ‘pilgrimage’ > of the Vedic astrology or simple ethnic upaya of the Lal Kitab ; the > purpose is the same .It is both a repentance and a penance . > > Doing an upaya is doing a prayashchit ---a repentance . We > through our own actions turn benefic planets into malefic ; may be > even through an inadvertent action. By doing an upaya we repent for > having done those deeds. For example : Saturn might be very well > placed , but we might make it ‘manda’ or ‘ashubh’ by drinking liquor > or maltreating our servants ; The moon might be well placed but we > might make it ‘ashubh’ by harassing our mother and so on. Therefore > one of the major purpose of the upaya is to repent ; by feeding the > fish or touching the feet of our mother and seek her blessings. > > Doing an upaya is also doing a tapasya , a penance : throwing a coin > each day into a river for 43 days regularly or carrying 8 haldi > ganth to a temple for 8 days regularly. Its no joke to go miles to > throw a coin into a river, not just once , but for 43 days or > driving for a couple of hours to reach a temple eight days in a row. > These upaya test our patience and that’s what the ‘tapasya’ is all > about. If we want some thing from some one we have to appease him. > If we have to appease some one , in this case a planet , we have to > do the ‘tapasya’ : the penance . A penance is never easy ; it’s > hard, grueling and tough. Tougher the penance is , the sweeter are > the fruits. > > Therefore the upaya have to be done in the spirit of ‘prayishchit’ > and ‘tapasya’ : repentance and penance. There are no short cuts to > either of them. You have to do both with religious piety and rigor. > If the upaya are done in this spirit and faith, I don’t see any > reason why they shouldn’t be effective. > > If in spite of your having done the upaya with extreme religious > rigor and piety there are no positive results, then the fault will > be entirely that of the astrologer. That means he failed to diagnose > the malady correctly or that he failed to devise the correct upaya ; > and as a human being it could be quite possible. We are no Pt. > Roopchand Joshi; he was a ‘siddha purush’. > > > > > Bhooshan Priya > , " roopak.rastogi " > <roopak.rastogi@> wrote: > > > > Respected Sirs, > > > > Why an upaya after all ? What purpose does it serve? What is the > > spirit behind suggesting remedies? > > > > Sir these questions might sound very naive, but need to be > clarified. > > To my mind the purpose could be more than just getting relief from > the > > troubles the planets are causing. > > > > I have been reading all such statements like, destroying a planet, > > distancing a planet, appeasing a planet, strengthening a planet, > > making a planet swear to behave and so on. Does the purpose of the > > upaya end here ? Or there is more to it? > > > > Could any Guru throw some more light on it ? > > > > Respectfully, > > > > Roopak > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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