Understanding the logic of upaya suggested by Pandit ji

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Dear Pt Lal Kitabee and Priya Ji the translation into english would be really valuable. If someone had the time, I do understand both of these gentlemen are incredibly busy with love su < wrote: Dear Acharya Lalkitabee ji,It is a very authentic path breaking research paper with impeccable logic. I congratulate you for having broken new grounds into understanding the way a mighty

brain worked. You deserve all praise for it. A very scholarly write-up indeed!It took me a while to grasp the range and the spread of your insight into the subject.Your interpretation would stand till some one comes up with an alternative explanation with an equally lucid logic.I take this opportunity to confess that I too had taken a sea to be an alternative for a river. Today I realize what a great damage ‘kahi-sunee baat’ can do. Let us always go to the roots, that is where the truth lies. God bless you,Bhooshan Priya , "lalkitabee" <lalkitabee wrote:>> Respected Members Mere Neem Ke Ped Kulbir Ji & my senior fellows> Sh.Bhatia Ji, Bhushan Ji, Yograj Ji, Nirmal Ji,Umesh Ji> Sabse pehley tou main Sh. Umseh Ji ka tah-A-dil se shukarguzar

hoon ki> unhone nihaayat dariyaadili dikhaatey huye is group main veh dastavez> aam kar diyaa jo ki ek light-house hai.Mere sabhi vichar shayd thik na> lagain lekin zehan main uthne wale kuchh sawaalon ke jo jawaab mujhe> mile hain unkaa khulaasaa main isi kundali ke jariye kar rahaa hoon.> Yah ba-mauka koshish bina Umesh Ji ke sehyog ke mumkin nahi thi.> Vaise to hamaari chhoti si buddhi kisi bhi tarike se Pujya Pandit> ji ke bataaye gaye upayon ki gahraayee ki thaah lene ke kabil nahi hai,> lekin hamaare liye Pujya Pandit ji hee ek aisa LIGHT HOUSE hain jinse> nikaltee huyee roushani ki chand kiran hamain raah par aage jaane ka> rastaa dikhaa sakti hain.Aaj bhi unkaa jivant roop, yah lalkitab hee hai> aur unke is roop ka noor vo sabhi tevey hain jo unke haathon se hoker> gujar chuke hain aur aaj ham jaise log unke is noor ko buniyaad

maankar> upayon ke logic ko dhhoondhne ki ek koshish kar saktey hain. Ya yun> kahaa jaaye ki inhi ki bina par vo tarika haasil karne ki ek koshish kar> saktey hain jiske jariye lalkitab ke kuchh suljhe ya unsuljhe bhed pataa> chal jaayain ,yaa jaane gaye gyaan ko baa-tarteeb kar sakain. Maanaa ki> yah koshish aasmaan ko haath main pakad lene ka ek khwaab hee hai, lekin> yah bhi ek such hai ki aasmaan haath main aaye ya na aaye magar lalkitab> ke jariye thode bahut haasil ilm-e-jyotish ke qad main kuchh izaafaa> jaroor hogaa.Agar yah meri himaaqat ho to pujya pandit ji mujhe muaaf> karain aur agar yah meri jayaz koshish ho to poochhey jaane wale khaas> sawaalaat ka jawab dene main Manas Gurudev Sh. Roopchand joshi ji ki> Paak Rooh meri madad karey.> Respected members ! Pujya Pandit ji provided 5 remedies for the> Horoscope of Sh. B.R.Gupta Ji

(Father in law of respected Astrologer> of lalkitab Pt. Umesh Sharma Ji)> 1.Aathh kuttey aath poori ek hee din main> 2.Chaandi ka Tukdaa rakhnaa> 3.Gaaye ko aate ka pedaa denaa> 4. Sasural se chaandi ka gilas leker istemaal karnaa> 5.Chandi ki aurat banaakar samundar main bahanaa.> I think these remedies suggested to get Arears (Rukaa hua dhan) & > Promotion (Ruki huyee tarakki) of Mr. Gupta.> & in my opinion pandit ji used both the JANMKUNDALI & VARSHFAL . Sabse> pehley main yah likh denaa chahoongaa ki Dhan(Money) is related to moon> & Destiny is related to khana no. 9, 10, 11> Lalkitab main saaf taur par likhaa hai ki khana no.9= AAGAAZ-A-KISMAT> , khana no.10.=KISMAT KI BUNIYAAD KA MAIDAAN, khana no. 11 = KISMAT KI> BUNIYAD.> lalkitab main ek baat aur likhi hai ki KHANA NO 8 KHANA NO. 6> KI SALAAH LETAA HUA KHANA NO 11

KE RAASTEY KHANA NO 2 MAIN APNI> NAAG-HAANI KAREGAA.> This is the point from where pandit ji used Janmkundali 1st of all & > adviced> 8 kuttey 8 poori ek hi din (for Mangal 8)> After this chandi ka tukdaa rakhnaa (for Shani 8)> By these two remedies Pujya Pandit ji controlled the malefic effect of> khana no.8 in janmkundali 1st of all.> Iske baad Pujya Pandit ji ne gaaye ko aate ka pedaa dene ko> bolaa.Mere vichaar main unhone Shukra ko prasnna(APPEASE) karne ke liye> yah upay likha jo ki shukra ke kisi bhi tarah se mandaa hone ke asar ko> rok sakegaa . Varsh fal aur janm kundali dono ke mutabik shukkar ke> vaastey yeh hi ek kargar aur sahaayak upay hoga.> meri samajh ke mutabik to Iske baad ke dono upay kewal> varshfal ke mutabik ek bamauka koshish hain, kyonki Pujya Pandit ji ne> chandi ka gilas istemal karne ke liye likha . Yah tou samajh

aataa hai> ki rahu ke liye likha gayaa hogaa lekin sasural se hee lene ki baat ek> alag baat hee lagi kyonki rahu ke upay ke liye chandi ke dwara chandar> ka prayog ek aam baat hai.lekin khana no 12 main baithey rahu ke liye> pandit ji ne Mangal ko surakshit rakhne walaa hee aksar lalkitab main> upay sujhaayaa hai, isliye yah to sidh ho hee gayaa ki Pujya Pandit ji> ne Khana no.12 ke rahu ko is varshfal main samasyaa ke mutabik koyee> tavajjo nahi dee.> > To fir sasural se chandi ka gilas lene ki jaroorat kyon huyee ?> > Shayad yahan par pandit ji ko khana no.9 se chalne wali maansoon ko> khana no. 2 main girane ke baad use no 4 main ikatthaa kar lene ke liye> bhi upay ki jaroorat mahsoos huyi hogi aur use khana no. 4 main> surakshit rakhne ke liye aise upay ki jaroorat hogi jo ki khana no> 4(varshfal main) ke mangal aur shani ko alag

alag aur ikatthaa hone kee> soorat main paida hone waley bure asar se suraksha bhi pradaan karey, ab> aap sabhi dekh lain ki shani + mangal =Uchch Rahu (masnuyee) hotaa hai> aur is uchch rahu ko kaboo karne ke liye uchch chandra hee barabari kar> saktaa hai khana no. 4 main, aur uchch chandra kewal khana no.2 se> mutalkaa hai. Yahaan par main ek baat aur bhi spasht kar denaa> chahoongaa ki lalkitab main hee spasht kiya gaya hai ki khana no. 11> jaati kamayee se talluk rakhtaa hai aur khana no 2 se DAULAT ke talluk> main khana no2 (Sasural) ke jaandar saathiyon ki jaahiraa ya gaibi madad> ho sakti hai.Is tarah yah bhi ek karan hai ki Pujya Pandit ji ne Sasural> se chandi ka gilas lene ke liye bola hogaa bataur gaibi madad .> Aise main Pujya Pandit ji ne khana no. 2 ( Sasural) se chandee> lene ke liye bol diya ,lekin sirf chandi nahi chandi ka gilas lene

ke> liye bola aur use istemaal karne ke liye bhi bola, kyonki uchch chandra> ki cheez yah chandi ka gilas doodh ya paani peene ke kaam hee aayegi aur> isse chandra ke apne 4th house ki suraksha bhi hogi aur khana no.4 main> aane wali barsaat ka paani bhi no. 4 main girne ke baad use shani mangal> kharab nahi kar sakengey aur rahu bhi koi sharaarat nahi kar sakega.> > abhi is baat ka faisla hona baaki hai ki gilaas hi kyon likha gayaa> solid chandi se bhi to kaam chal saktaa tha . Mere vichar main Silver> Glass ka is tarah istemaal shayad khana 4 ke mangal ke liye isliye> kiya gaya, kyonki khana 4 main agar mangal upayon ke asar se shubh hoker> chalne lagey ya shubh hi saabit ho to chandi ke gilas se mangal nek> (chandra Mangal Nek) ko bal milega aur agar khuda na khaastaa mangal bad> bhi jahir hone lage to chandi (moon) ka gilaas ka istemal

mangal bad ki> jehar ko bhi kam hee karega. Is tarah ek taraf to khana no 2 main girney> wali barsaat ka raasta khana no 4 ki taraf mukammil ho gayaa aur khanaa> no 4 main uske paani ko jamaa karne ke saath use saaf rakhne ka intejaam> bhi Pujya Pandit ji ne likh diya (once again Mars 4th struck).> Now the last Remedy of Chaandi Ki Aurat is an important> part:--- Respected My senior Fellows, Pandit ji ne bilkul hee hatkar ek> upay likhaa ki Chaandi ki aurat Banakar Samunder Main Bahaanaa. Is upay> ko dekhkar ek baari tou main bhi hairaan pareshaan ho gayaa ,kyonki ham> sabhi un hee baaton ko tavazzo detey aaye hain jo ki senior members ne> likhi hain aur iske baare main Respected Bhatia ji ke sahit hum> sabhi yahi samajhtey aaye hain ki dariya ya behataa paani (khana no 4 )> na milne ki soorat main Samunder ko bhi istemaal kiyaa ja saktaa hai

aur> iskaa vahi fal hogaa jo ki behtey paani main bahaane ka hotaa hai kyonki> samunder bhi to vahi jagah hai jismain sab behtey dariyaa mil jaatey> hain aur is tamaam paani ka jamaawadaa bhi istemaal kiyaa jaa saktaa> hai.> > Tou fir Manas Gurudev Pujya Pandit Ji ne ek aisey insaan ko yah upay> kyon likhaa jiske liye behtey dariyaa main yah upay karnaa kaheen> jyaadaa asaan tha.Mere saamne dorahaa khadaa ho gaya. Ek vah jo ki> senior members ne aaj tak dikhaayaa thaa, doosraa veh jo Pujya Pandit Sh> Roop Chand Joshi Ji ne khud hee ek likhit dastaavez ke roop main> anjaaney main hee pesh kar diyaa.Main pashopesh main aa gayaa ki kaun> thik hai.Maine thodi der ke liye senior members ki baat ko darkinaar> kartey huye Pujya Pandit ji ke nazariye ko dhhoondhne ki ek koshish> karne ki himaakat kar daali.Jo ki Hasb-A-Jail hai:-> lalkitab main

khanaa no. 9 ko jagah jagah samunder hee ginaa gayaa> hai.Main chand misaal likh rahaa hoon. Maslan :-> > 1.GHAR DOOJEY PE BAARISH KARTAA , SAMANDAR GHIRAA BRAHMAAND BHI HO.> (Page No.77 LK-1952 edition)> 2. RIN PITRI JAB TEVE BAITHAA RAIT SAMANDAR JALTAA HO (Page No.77 ,LK> 1952 This line have clear indication that khana no 9 is SAMANDAR or sea)> 3.GYAAN SAMANDAR GHAR NAUVAIN KA YA PHAL UMRA HO PEHLEY KA (Page.78, LK> 1952)> 4.BUNIYAAD SAMANDAR GRAH 9 HOTEY ,PAHAAD UNCHAA GHAR DO KA HO (Page no.> 60, LK 1952)> 5.KHANA NO. 2 HAMESHAA 9 HEE GRAHON YA KHANA NO.9 JO BATAUR EK SAMANDAR> GINAA JAYEGAA KI BUNIYAAD HOGAA MAGAR KHUD NO. 2 KI BUNIYAAD NO. 4 HOGAA> (Page no. 60, LK 1952).> Is jaisi sabhi ibaarton ko padhkaer mere saamne ek baat yeh aayee ki> samandar ko behtey dariya ki jagah istemaal karnaa na sirf lalkitab ke> siddhant

ko thukraanaa hee hogaa balki nihayat galat bhi ho saktaa> hai,kyonki aisa kartey huye hum aagaaz-A-kismat main mandey grahon ko> bhi khana no 9 aagaaz-A-kismat se jod denge aur samandar ki maansoon ka> asar kharaab kar baithengey.> Lalkitab main Brihaspat, Shukkar, chandar ko ikatthaa itnaa buraa> nahi kahaa hai, Aur khana no 9 ka brihaspat to khud apne ghar aur rashi> ka ho jayegaa isliye dushman grah ke bure asar ko bhi kam-o-besh kaaboo> kar legaa.Sh. B.R. Gupta ji ke 49th varshfal main ye teeno grah khana> no. 9 main hain. Aise main lalkitab main brihaspat ke saath shukkar hone> ki soorat main likhaa hai ki brihaspat ek hissa ho to shukkar ka 3 & 3/4> gunaa asar shamil hogaa aur asar ki raftaar main shukkar dogunaa to> brihaspat aadhi raftaar par chalegaa . Iske alaavaa yah bhi likhaa hai> ki "BHALAA SHUKKAR HO ISHK MAIN UMDAA RIZAK MANDAA NAHI

KARTAA JO. Isi> ke dauran yah bhi likhaa hai ki " AURATON SE HAMESHAA MADAD MILTEE RAHEY> YA MADAD KARTEE RAHAINGI. Shayad is aurton(Females) se milne wali madad> ke tahat pandit ji ne Chandi ki aurat ko istemaal kiyaa hai. Kyonki> khana no 9 main brihaspat aur shukkar ko bura nahi bolaa gayaa hai. Isi> karan chandar ka asar shukkar se alag hee ho gayaa lekin khana no 9 main> iska brihaspati se umdaa asar judaa nahi hua.Is tarah shukkar mangal bad> na hua aur chandar ke saath hone se Neem ke taney(Trunk) main Chandi Ke> Chaukor dabaane waley upay ki jaroorat mehsoos nahi huyee. Albatta ab> saas(Chandar) bahu (Shukkar) dono main agar sulah nahi to jhagdaa bhi> nahi hai aur dono he nek nateejaa naheen tou bad-nateejaa bhi nahi hain> fir bhi asar dabaa hua hai aur khana no. 9 ki hawaa pooraa jor nahi> pakad rahi hai ,aur Mahatma Brihaspat do auraton ke

samne kuchh nahi bol> rahaa hai aur pasho-pesh main hai ki kaun si aurat ki madad> milegi.kyonki aise main shayad shukkar, chandar dono ka hee asar thik> usi tarah gum hai jis tarah SURAJ aur BUDH ke ek saath khana no.8 main> hone par hotaa hai Suraj aur budh ko bahar se madad pahuchane ke liye> dono ki ashia ko shamshan (khana no.8) main dabaane ke liye bolaa jataa> hai.Lalkitab main saaf taur par likhaa hai ki DONO (Suraj aur Budh)> GRAHON KA APNA APNA NO.8 KA DIYA FAL SHURU HOGA. yah line Suraj aur> Budh ke khana 8 ke upay ke saath likhi hai> Theek isi tarah ke gum ya jahir na hone wale asar ko> badhhane ke liye aur brihaspat ke saath shukkar ke rehtey aurat ke> jariye madad ki shart bhi poori karne ke liye Pujya Pandit ji ne chandi> ki aurat banwakar ek taraf to Shukkar aur chandar ko Samandar (khana> no.9 )main baahar se madad pahuchane ki tazbeez

nikalee aur brihaspat> shukkar ke saath hone par Aurat ke jariye madad ki shart ko bhi poora> kiyaa, Varnaa Pujya Pandit ji sirf chaandi ki gaay (Cow) ko samandar> main bahaane ke liye boltey chandar + shukkar ke liye. Aur agar Pujya> Pandit Ji ki nazar main behtaa paani ya dariyaa aur samandar ek hee> cheez hotey to Pandit Ji Delhi wale insaan ko yah upay Samandar main> karne ke liye kabhi na likhtey.> Is tarah se Pujya Pandit Ji ne ek poori yojnaa ke saath khana no 9> ke samandar se uthne wali mansson ki hawaaon ka rastaa saf kartey huye> unkaa hee fayda uthaaya ya yun kahain ki bhagya ki naali main aane wali> rukaawat ko bhi door kiyaa> Meri is mail main maine yah bhi saaf karne ki koshish ki hai> ki vaastey Upay Samandar kabhi bhi behtey dariya ki jagah nahi le> saktaa. Ho saktaa hai ki meri soch galat ho lekin mera yah vichar

Pujya> pandit ji ke likhit dastavez (Sh. B.R Gupta Ji ki kundali ) aur lalkitab> ki ibaaraton ko read karne ke baad hi badlaa hua hai varnaa aaj tak is> taraf dhyaan hee nahi gayaa. Agar main yahaan galat hoon to Pujya> Pandit Ji ne Delhi main rehney wale insaan ko samandar ke istemaal ke> liye kyon likhaa ?.> Respected Bhatia Ji se haath jodkar meri gujarish hai ki agar main> galat hoon tou thoda samay nikal kar meri galati ko thik karne ka kasht> karain, kyonki hum sabhi ne sabse pehley unke hi jariye yah jaana tha ki> jahaan dariyaa na mile vahaan dariyaa ya behtey paani ki jagah samandar> ko istemaal kar liyaa jaaye aur aaj tak hamne kiyaa bhi yahi.Lekin> Sh.B.R. Gupta ji ko likhe gaye upayon ka logic dhhondhtey huye yah baat> poori tarah khariz ho gayee ki upay karne ke liye behtey paani ki jagah> SAMANDAR ka bhi istemaal kiya ja saktaa

hai, kyonki samandar to khana no> 9 hai.> > Isliye aapse ab ek baar fir meri yah Gujarish> hai ki meharbaani karke is par gaur karain aur aane wale samay main> Pujya Pandit Ji ke haathon se hi likhe gaye upay ko dekhkar koyee galat> fahami na paida ho iske liye is vishay par raushani daalain.Kyonki> shayad aap hee veh shaks hain jo is dariya ki jagah samandar ke lozic ko> bakhoobi samjhaa saktey hain . Yadi Prabhakar Ji , Nirmal Ji ,Umesh> Ji,Kulbir Ji Dr. Kiranjit Ji ke paas is Dariya aur Samandar ko ek roop> main dekhne ke liye koyee nazariyaa ho tou likhne ki taqlif karain main> unkaa aabhari rahoonga.> Vaise to maine purjor koshish ki hai ki mere shabdon se kisi ko koyee> chot na pahunchey, fir bhi likhtey huye jaane anjaane agar gustaakhi> huyee ho to mujhe muaaf karain. Lekin meri guzarish par gaur karne ka> kasht jaroor

karain.> With regards> Pt.Lalkitabee> > > > , Yograj Prabhakar> <yr_prabhakar@> wrote:> >> > Dear Kulbir Ji> >> > As per your your instructions, here is the translation of Urdu lines> (rather remedies) written by Pundit jee.> >> > (Line No. 1) Chandi Ka Tukda Rakhna...... (last word is not legible)> > (Line No. 2) Gaye Ko Aatey Ka Peda dene.....(Last Word is not legible)> > (Line No. 3) Sasural Se Chandi Ka Gilass> > (Line No. 4) Lekar Istehmaal Karna.> > (Line No. 5) Chandi Ki Aurat Banakar Samundar (altough word samunder> is not very clear)> > (Line No. 6) Mein Bahanaa.> >> >> > Translation of other 2 lines written in the right side (in

slant) of> the above lines:> >> > (Line No. 1) 8 Kuttey - 8 Pooree> > (Line No. 2) 1 hee Din Mein.> >> > Apart from these there is one other word written in red ink (mentioned> with arrow in the 10th house) in the Varsh-phal chart of 50th year, and> that is> >> > Andhon ko Khairaat.> >> > Koyi hor hukam Mere Aaka?> >> >> > Respectfully> > Yograj Prabhakar> >> >> > kulbirbains kulbirbains@ wrote: guruji; could u please translate> the urdu portion in the page uploaded> > by umesh ji,> > kulbir bains.> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your pocket:> mail, news, photos &

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dear lalkitabe ji, Primarily.LK remdies have to be done in the Ganges water. Since it is not feasible every time to go the Ganges, river or chalta/behta paani has been recommended in LK because such water ganga ji ke jal ki tarah hi pious or pavittar maana gaya hai. samundar dariya ka substitue nahin hai because its colour is neela jo ki rahu ka rang hai. Is ke liye Lk men likha bhi hai"aasmaan ke gumbad aur duniya ke samundar donon hee neele rang ka maalik rahu" this is my understanding. with best wishes, sincerely, kiranjeet

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Guruji, bas ik hi vinati hai. neem ke paude ki jad mein paani dalte

rahein. aur agar tahniyan idhar udhar bhagein to unhe

chaantate/katate rahen.

kulbir bains.

 

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<lalkitabee wrote:

>

> Respected Members Mere Neem Ke Ped Kulbir Ji & my senior fellows

> Sh.Bhatia Ji, Bhushan Ji, Yograj Ji, Nirmal Ji,Umesh Ji

> Sabse pehley tou main Sh. Umseh Ji ka tah-A-dil se shukarguzar

hoon ki

> unhone nihaayat dariyaadili dikhaatey huye is group main veh

dastavez

> aam kar diyaa jo ki ek light-house hai.Mere sabhi vichar shayd

thik na

> lagain lekin zehan main uthne wale kuchh sawaalon ke jo jawaab

mujhe

> mile hain unkaa khulaasaa main isi kundali ke jariye kar rahaa

hoon.

> Yah ba-mauka koshish bina Umesh Ji ke sehyog ke mumkin nahi thi.

> Vaise to hamaari chhoti si buddhi kisi bhi tarike se Pujya

Pandit

> ji ke bataaye gaye upayon ki gahraayee ki thaah lene ke kabil nahi

hai,

> lekin hamaare liye Pujya Pandit ji hee ek aisa LIGHT HOUSE hain

jinse

> nikaltee huyee roushani ki chand kiran hamain raah par aage jaane

ka

> rastaa dikhaa sakti hain.Aaj bhi unkaa jivant roop, yah lalkitab

hee hai

> aur unke is roop ka noor vo sabhi tevey hain jo unke haathon se

hoker

> gujar chuke hain aur aaj ham jaise log unke is noor ko buniyaad

maankar

> upayon ke logic ko dhhoondhne ki ek koshish kar saktey hain. Ya yun

> kahaa jaaye ki inhi ki bina par vo tarika haasil karne ki ek

koshish kar

> saktey hain jiske jariye lalkitab ke kuchh suljhe ya unsuljhe bhed

pataa

> chal jaayain ,yaa jaane gaye gyaan ko baa-tarteeb kar sakain.

Maanaa ki

> yah koshish aasmaan ko haath main pakad lene ka ek khwaab hee hai,

lekin

> yah bhi ek such hai ki aasmaan haath main aaye ya na aaye magar

lalkitab

> ke jariye thode bahut haasil ilm-e-jyotish ke qad main kuchh

izaafaa

> jaroor hogaa.Agar yah meri himaaqat ho to pujya pandit ji mujhe

muaaf

> karain aur agar yah meri jayaz koshish ho to poochhey jaane wale

khaas

> sawaalaat ka jawab dene main Manas Gurudev Sh. Roopchand joshi ji

ki

> Paak Rooh meri madad karey.

> Respected members ! Pujya Pandit ji provided 5 remedies for the

> Horoscope of Sh. B.R.Gupta Ji (Father in law of respected

Astrologer

> of lalkitab Pt. Umesh Sharma Ji)

> 1.Aathh kuttey aath poori ek hee din main

> 2.Chaandi ka Tukdaa rakhnaa

> 3.Gaaye ko aate ka pedaa denaa

> 4. Sasural se chaandi ka gilas leker istemaal karnaa

> 5.Chandi ki aurat banaakar samundar main bahanaa.

> I think these remedies suggested to get Arears (Rukaa hua dhan) &

> Promotion (Ruki huyee tarakki) of Mr. Gupta.

> & in my opinion pandit ji used both the JANMKUNDALI & VARSHFAL .

Sabse

> pehley main yah likh denaa chahoongaa ki Dhan(Money) is related to

moon

> & Destiny is related to khana no. 9, 10, 11

> Lalkitab main saaf taur par likhaa hai ki khana no.9= AAGAAZ-A-

KISMAT

> , khana no.10.=KISMAT KI BUNIYAAD KA MAIDAAN, khana no. 11 =

KISMAT KI

> BUNIYAD.

> lalkitab main ek baat aur likhi hai ki KHANA NO 8 KHANA

NO. 6

> KI SALAAH LETAA HUA KHANA NO 11 KE RAASTEY KHANA NO 2 MAIN APNI

> NAAG-HAANI KAREGAA.

> This is the point from where pandit ji used Janmkundali 1st of all

&

> adviced

> 8 kuttey 8 poori ek hi din (for Mangal 8)

> After this chandi ka tukdaa rakhnaa (for Shani 8)

> By these two remedies Pujya Pandit ji controlled the malefic

effect of

> khana no.8 in janmkundali 1st of all.

> Iske baad Pujya Pandit ji ne gaaye ko aate ka pedaa dene ko

> bolaa.Mere vichaar main unhone Shukra ko prasnna(APPEASE) karne ke

liye

> yah upay likha jo ki shukra ke kisi bhi tarah se mandaa hone ke

asar ko

> rok sakegaa . Varsh fal aur janm kundali dono ke mutabik shukkar ke

> vaastey yeh hi ek kargar aur sahaayak upay hoga.

> meri samajh ke mutabik to Iske baad ke dono upay

kewal

> varshfal ke mutabik ek bamauka koshish hain, kyonki Pujya Pandit

ji ne

> chandi ka gilas istemal karne ke liye likha . Yah tou samajh aataa

hai

> ki rahu ke liye likha gayaa hogaa lekin sasural se hee lene ki

baat ek

> alag baat hee lagi kyonki rahu ke upay ke liye chandi ke dwara

chandar

> ka prayog ek aam baat hai.lekin khana no 12 main baithey rahu ke

liye

> pandit ji ne Mangal ko surakshit rakhne walaa hee aksar lalkitab

main

> upay sujhaayaa hai, isliye yah to sidh ho hee gayaa ki Pujya

Pandit ji

> ne Khana no.12 ke rahu ko is varshfal main samasyaa ke mutabik

koyee

> tavajjo nahi dee.

>

> To fir sasural se chandi ka gilas lene ki jaroorat kyon huyee ?

>

> Shayad yahan par pandit ji ko khana no.9 se chalne wali maansoon

ko

> khana no. 2 main girane ke baad use no 4 main ikatthaa kar lene ke

liye

> bhi upay ki jaroorat mahsoos huyi hogi aur use khana no. 4 main

> surakshit rakhne ke liye aise upay ki jaroorat hogi jo ki khana no

> 4(varshfal main) ke mangal aur shani ko alag alag aur ikatthaa

hone kee

> soorat main paida hone waley bure asar se suraksha bhi pradaan

karey, ab

> aap sabhi dekh lain ki shani + mangal =Uchch Rahu (masnuyee) hotaa

hai

> aur is uchch rahu ko kaboo karne ke liye uchch chandra hee

barabari kar

> saktaa hai khana no. 4 main, aur uchch chandra kewal khana no.2 se

> mutalkaa hai. Yahaan par main ek baat aur bhi spasht kar denaa

> chahoongaa ki lalkitab main hee spasht kiya gaya hai ki khana no.

11

> jaati kamayee se talluk rakhtaa hai aur khana no 2 se DAULAT ke

talluk

> main khana no2 (Sasural) ke jaandar saathiyon ki jaahiraa ya gaibi

madad

> ho sakti hai.Is tarah yah bhi ek karan hai ki Pujya Pandit ji ne

Sasural

> se chandi ka gilas lene ke liye bola hogaa bataur gaibi madad .

> Aise main Pujya Pandit ji ne khana no. 2 ( Sasural) se

chandee

> lene ke liye bol diya ,lekin sirf chandi nahi chandi ka gilas lene

ke

> liye bola aur use istemaal karne ke liye bhi bola, kyonki uchch

chandra

> ki cheez yah chandi ka gilas doodh ya paani peene ke kaam hee

aayegi aur

> isse chandra ke apne 4th house ki suraksha bhi hogi aur khana no.4

main

> aane wali barsaat ka paani bhi no. 4 main girne ke baad use shani

mangal

> kharab nahi kar sakengey aur rahu bhi koi sharaarat nahi kar

sakega.

>

> abhi is baat ka faisla hona baaki hai ki gilaas hi kyon likha

gayaa

> solid chandi se bhi to kaam chal saktaa tha . Mere vichar main

Silver

> Glass ka is tarah istemaal shayad khana 4 ke mangal ke liye isliye

> kiya gaya, kyonki khana 4 main agar mangal upayon ke asar se shubh

hoker

> chalne lagey ya shubh hi saabit ho to chandi ke gilas se mangal nek

> (chandra Mangal Nek) ko bal milega aur agar khuda na khaastaa

mangal bad

> bhi jahir hone lage to chandi (moon) ka gilaas ka istemal mangal

bad ki

> jehar ko bhi kam hee karega. Is tarah ek taraf to khana no 2 main

girney

> wali barsaat ka raasta khana no 4 ki taraf mukammil ho gayaa aur

khanaa

> no 4 main uske paani ko jamaa karne ke saath use saaf rakhne ka

intejaam

> bhi Pujya Pandit ji ne likh diya (once again Mars 4th struck).

> Now the last Remedy of Chaandi Ki Aurat is an

important

> part:--- Respected My senior Fellows, Pandit ji ne bilkul hee

hatkar ek

> upay likhaa ki Chaandi ki aurat Banakar Samunder Main Bahaanaa. Is

upay

> ko dekhkar ek baari tou main bhi hairaan pareshaan ho

gayaa ,kyonki ham

> sabhi un hee baaton ko tavazzo detey aaye hain jo ki senior

members ne

> likhi hain aur iske baare main Respected Bhatia ji ke sahit hum

> sabhi yahi samajhtey aaye hain ki dariya ya behataa paani (khana

no 4 )

> na milne ki soorat main Samunder ko bhi istemaal kiyaa ja saktaa

hai aur

> iskaa vahi fal hogaa jo ki behtey paani main bahaane ka hotaa hai

kyonki

> samunder bhi to vahi jagah hai jismain sab behtey dariyaa mil

jaatey

> hain aur is tamaam paani ka jamaawadaa bhi istemaal kiyaa jaa

saktaa

> hai.

>

> Tou fir Manas Gurudev Pujya Pandit Ji ne ek aisey insaan ko yah

upay

> kyon likhaa jiske liye behtey dariyaa main yah upay karnaa kaheen

> jyaadaa asaan tha.Mere saamne dorahaa khadaa ho gaya. Ek vah jo ki

> senior members ne aaj tak dikhaayaa thaa, doosraa veh jo Pujya

Pandit Sh

> Roop Chand Joshi Ji ne khud hee ek likhit dastaavez ke roop main

> anjaaney main hee pesh kar diyaa.Main pashopesh main aa gayaa ki

kaun

> thik hai.Maine thodi der ke liye senior members ki baat ko

darkinaar

> kartey huye Pujya Pandit ji ke nazariye ko dhhoondhne ki ek koshish

> karne ki himaakat kar daali.Jo ki Hasb-A-Jail hai:-

> lalkitab main khanaa no. 9 ko jagah jagah samunder hee ginaa

gayaa

> hai.Main chand misaal likh rahaa hoon. Maslan :-

>

> 1.GHAR DOOJEY PE BAARISH KARTAA , SAMANDAR GHIRAA BRAHMAAND BHI HO.

> (Page No.77 LK-1952 edition)

> 2. RIN PITRI JAB TEVE BAITHAA RAIT SAMANDAR JALTAA HO (Page

No.77 ,LK

> 1952 This line have clear indication that khana no 9 is SAMANDAR

or sea)

> 3.GYAAN SAMANDAR GHAR NAUVAIN KA YA PHAL UMRA HO PEHLEY KA

(Page.78, LK

> 1952)

> 4.BUNIYAAD SAMANDAR GRAH 9 HOTEY ,PAHAAD UNCHAA GHAR DO KA HO

(Page no.

> 60, LK 1952)

> 5.KHANA NO. 2 HAMESHAA 9 HEE GRAHON YA KHANA NO.9 JO BATAUR EK

SAMANDAR

> GINAA JAYEGAA KI BUNIYAAD HOGAA MAGAR KHUD NO. 2 KI BUNIYAAD NO. 4

HOGAA

> (Page no. 60, LK 1952).

> Is jaisi sabhi ibaarton ko padhkaer mere saamne ek baat yeh

aayee ki

> samandar ko behtey dariya ki jagah istemaal karnaa na sirf

lalkitab ke

> siddhant ko thukraanaa hee hogaa balki nihayat galat bhi ho saktaa

> hai,kyonki aisa kartey huye hum aagaaz-A-kismat main mandey grahon

ko

> bhi khana no 9 aagaaz-A-kismat se jod denge aur samandar ki

maansoon ka

> asar kharaab kar baithengey.

> Lalkitab main Brihaspat, Shukkar, chandar ko ikatthaa itnaa

buraa

> nahi kahaa hai, Aur khana no 9 ka brihaspat to khud apne ghar aur

rashi

> ka ho jayegaa isliye dushman grah ke bure asar ko bhi kam-o-besh

kaaboo

> kar legaa.Sh. B.R. Gupta ji ke 49th varshfal main ye teeno grah

khana

> no. 9 main hain. Aise main lalkitab main brihaspat ke saath

shukkar hone

> ki soorat main likhaa hai ki brihaspat ek hissa ho to shukkar ka

3 & 3/4

> gunaa asar shamil hogaa aur asar ki raftaar main shukkar dogunaa to

> brihaspat aadhi raftaar par chalegaa . Iske alaavaa yah bhi likhaa

hai

> ki " BHALAA SHUKKAR HO ISHK MAIN UMDAA RIZAK MANDAA NAHI KARTAA JO.

Isi

> ke dauran yah bhi likhaa hai ki " AURATON SE HAMESHAA MADAD MILTEE

RAHEY

> YA MADAD KARTEE RAHAINGI. Shayad is aurton(Females) se milne wali

madad

> ke tahat pandit ji ne Chandi ki aurat ko istemaal kiyaa hai. Kyonki

> khana no 9 main brihaspat aur shukkar ko bura nahi bolaa gayaa

hai. Isi

> karan chandar ka asar shukkar se alag hee ho gayaa lekin khana no

9 main

> iska brihaspati se umdaa asar judaa nahi hua.Is tarah shukkar

mangal bad

> na hua aur chandar ke saath hone se Neem ke taney(Trunk) main

Chandi Ke

> Chaukor dabaane waley upay ki jaroorat mehsoos nahi huyee. Albatta

ab

> saas(Chandar) bahu (Shukkar) dono main agar sulah nahi to jhagdaa

bhi

> nahi hai aur dono he nek nateejaa naheen tou bad-nateejaa bhi nahi

hain

> fir bhi asar dabaa hua hai aur khana no. 9 ki hawaa pooraa jor nahi

> pakad rahi hai ,aur Mahatma Brihaspat do auraton ke samne kuchh

nahi bol

> rahaa hai aur pasho-pesh main hai ki kaun si aurat ki madad

> milegi.kyonki aise main shayad shukkar, chandar dono ka hee asar

thik

> usi tarah gum hai jis tarah SURAJ aur BUDH ke ek saath khana no.8

main

> hone par hotaa hai Suraj aur budh ko bahar se madad pahuchane ke

liye

> dono ki ashia ko shamshan (khana no.8) main dabaane ke liye bolaa

jataa

> hai.Lalkitab main saaf taur par likhaa hai ki DONO (Suraj aur Budh)

> GRAHON KA APNA APNA NO.8 KA DIYA FAL SHURU HOGA. yah line Suraj

aur

> Budh ke khana 8 ke upay ke saath likhi hai

> Theek isi tarah ke gum ya jahir na hone wale asar ko

> badhhane ke liye aur brihaspat ke saath shukkar ke rehtey aurat ke

> jariye madad ki shart bhi poori karne ke liye Pujya Pandit ji ne

chandi

> ki aurat banwakar ek taraf to Shukkar aur chandar ko Samandar

(khana

> no.9 )main baahar se madad pahuchane ki tazbeez nikalee aur

brihaspat

> shukkar ke saath hone par Aurat ke jariye madad ki shart ko bhi

poora

> kiyaa, Varnaa Pujya Pandit ji sirf chaandi ki gaay (Cow) ko

samandar

> main bahaane ke liye boltey chandar + shukkar ke liye. Aur agar

Pujya

> Pandit Ji ki nazar main behtaa paani ya dariyaa aur samandar ek

hee

> cheez hotey to Pandit Ji Delhi wale insaan ko yah upay Samandar

main

> karne ke liye kabhi na likhtey.

> Is tarah se Pujya Pandit Ji ne ek poori yojnaa ke saath

khana no 9

> ke samandar se uthne wali mansson ki hawaaon ka rastaa saf kartey

huye

> unkaa hee fayda uthaaya ya yun kahain ki bhagya ki naali main aane

wali

> rukaawat ko bhi door kiyaa

> Meri is mail main maine yah bhi saaf karne ki koshish

ki hai

> ki vaastey Upay Samandar kabhi bhi behtey dariya ki jagah nahi le

> saktaa. Ho saktaa hai ki meri soch galat ho lekin mera yah vichar

Pujya

> pandit ji ke likhit dastavez (Sh. B.R Gupta Ji ki kundali ) aur

lalkitab

> ki ibaaraton ko read karne ke baad hi badlaa hua hai varnaa aaj

tak is

> taraf dhyaan hee nahi gayaa. Agar main yahaan galat hoon to Pujya

> Pandit Ji ne Delhi main rehney wale insaan ko samandar ke istemaal

ke

> liye kyon likhaa ?.

> Respected Bhatia Ji se haath jodkar meri gujarish hai ki

agar main

> galat hoon tou thoda samay nikal kar meri galati ko thik karne ka

kasht

> karain, kyonki hum sabhi ne sabse pehley unke hi jariye yah jaana

tha ki

> jahaan dariyaa na mile vahaan dariyaa ya behtey paani ki jagah

samandar

> ko istemaal kar liyaa jaaye aur aaj tak hamne kiyaa bhi yahi.Lekin

> Sh.B.R. Gupta ji ko likhe gaye upayon ka logic dhhondhtey huye yah

baat

> poori tarah khariz ho gayee ki upay karne ke liye behtey paani ki

jagah

> SAMANDAR ka bhi istemaal kiya ja saktaa hai, kyonki samandar to

khana no

> 9 hai.

>

> Isliye aapse ab ek baar fir meri yah

Gujarish

> hai ki meharbaani karke is par gaur karain aur aane wale samay main

> Pujya Pandit Ji ke haathon se hi likhe gaye upay ko dekhkar koyee

galat

> fahami na paida ho iske liye is vishay par raushani daalain.Kyonki

> shayad aap hee veh shaks hain jo is dariya ki jagah samandar ke

lozic ko

> bakhoobi samjhaa saktey hain . Yadi Prabhakar Ji , Nirmal Ji ,Umesh

> Ji,Kulbir Ji Dr. Kiranjit Ji ke paas is Dariya aur Samandar ko ek

roop

> main dekhne ke liye koyee nazariyaa ho tou likhne ki taqlif

karain main

> unkaa aabhari rahoonga.

> Vaise to maine purjor koshish ki hai ki mere shabdon se kisi

ko koyee

> chot na pahunchey, fir bhi likhtey huye jaane anjaane agar

gustaakhi

> huyee ho to mujhe muaaf karain. Lekin meri guzarish par gaur karne

ka

> kasht jaroor karain.

> With regards

> Pt.Lalkitabee

>

>

>

> , Yograj Prabhakar

> <yr_prabhakar@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Kulbir Ji

> >

> > As per your your instructions, here is the translation of Urdu

lines

> (rather remedies) written by Pundit jee.

> >

> > (Line No. 1) Chandi Ka Tukda Rakhna...... (last word is not

legible)

> > (Line No. 2) Gaye Ko Aatey Ka Peda dene.....(Last Word is not

legible)

> > (Line No. 3) Sasural Se Chandi Ka Gilass

> > (Line No. 4) Lekar Istehmaal Karna.

> > (Line No. 5) Chandi Ki Aurat Banakar Samundar (altough word

samunder

> is not very clear)

> > (Line No. 6) Mein Bahanaa.

> >

> >

> > Translation of other 2 lines written in the right side (in

slant) of

> the above lines:

> >

> > (Line No. 1) 8 Kuttey - 8 Pooree

> > (Line No. 2) 1 hee Din Mein.

> >

> > Apart from these there is one other word written in red ink

(mentioned

> with arrow in the 10th house) in the Varsh-phal chart of 50th

year, and

> that is

> >

> > Andhon ko Khairaat.

> >

> > Koyi hor hukam Mere Aaka?

> >

> >

> > Respectfully

> > Yograj Prabhakar

> >

> >

> > kulbirbains kulbirbains@ wrote: guruji; could u please translate

> the urdu portion in the page uploaded

> > by umesh ji,

> > kulbir bains.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Take the Internet to Go: Go puts the Internet in your

pocket:

> mail, news, photos & more.

> >

>

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dear Lalkitabee ji, aap ka analysis kamaal ka hai.ise understand karne men to abhi i shall take many days. it is just to add that all rivers, nadi and nala etc. samundar men to milte hain,but by that time, the pure and clean water they carry from the hills from their starting points gets highly polluted through their sojourn in the world and carry all this gandgi to samundar.Is liye samundar ko shayad pavittar bhi nahin maana gaya hai. Secondly, respected pundit ji would have certainly given this word somewhere in LK if samundar was a subsitute. these scholarly discussions r very excellent, but I shall make a request to all LK poractitioners through this forum that LK men jo bhi jahan lika hai, jaisa bhi likha hai aur jis grah/khana etc. men likha hai, usko vaise ka vaisa hi use men laayen.So was told by respected pundit ji when i put a question to him regarding some remedy. By following this dictum, river

/samundar waali misunderstanding kabhi paida nahin hogi . Academically, v may discuss any way. These healthy discussions like yours shall go a long way to understand LK truly; otherwise earlier pundits left in disgust because they could not understand it and now the net has provided a forum for discussions,v should go further and continue with it with an open mind to learn and most important is to share knowledge. with best wishes; sincerely, kiranjeet

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Respected Dr. Kiran Jit Ji

Thanx, Ur AASTHAA & SHRADDHAA is a motivation for the person like

me.As per ur pure wish u will be able to read like this topics in

future also ,with grace of the ashirwad OF some elder personalities

like u, who met Pujya Pandit Ji.Plz bless us.I do not intend to

impose my view on others,But Im aware to touch the spirit of

lalkitab & try accordingly. & according to that ,which i find

appropriate with my scholarly vision , I express clearly with the

quotes & with lozics.But i agree that always & in each part of

lalkitab no-one can be right. Im also from them. Sometimes may be

requirement to correct me, as wel as others also. It is pure

disscussion in my opinion.

Kiran Jit Ji, Now we need some more horoscopes ,which has

been analyzed by Pujya Pandit Ji with their own

handwritting.Specially i want to collect those horoscopes,which have

something like Dasha System or any strange like this SILVER LADY KO

SAMANDAR MAIN BAHAANAA. If any other member of lalkitab groups have

any type of this horoscope, he shud share it openly, otherwise all

these will decay without any purpose & after some years most of

experts will say it as QAIDA but they never will explain its ABC, or

may be they would not be able to explain. I think like U & others

may be helpful in this work .May ur blessings be with me always

With Regards

Pt. Lalkitabee

, kiranjit kumar

<kapatjal wrote:

>

> dear Lalkitabee ji,

> aap ka analysis kamaal ka hai.ise understand karne men to abhi i

shall take many days.

> it is just to add that all rivers, nadi and nala etc. samundar

men to milte hain,but by that time, the pure and clean water they

carry from the hills from their starting points gets highly polluted

through their sojourn in the world and carry all this gandgi to

samundar.Is liye samundar ko shayad pavittar bhi nahin maana gaya

hai.

> Secondly, respected pundit ji would have certainly given this

word somewhere in LK if samundar was a subsitute.

> these scholarly discussions r very excellent, but I shall make a

request to all LK poractitioners through this forum that LK men jo

bhi jahan lika hai, jaisa bhi likha hai aur jis grah/khana etc. men

likha hai, usko vaise ka vaisa hi use men laayen.So was told by

respected pundit ji when i put a question to him regarding some

remedy. By following this dictum, river /samundar waali

misunderstanding kabhi paida nahin hogi .

> Academically, v may discuss any way. These healthy discussions

like yours shall go a long way to understand LK truly; otherwise

earlier pundits left in disgust because they could not understand

it and now the net has provided a forum for discussions,v should go

further and continue with it with an open mind to learn and most

important is to share knowledge.

> with best wishes;

> sincerely,

> kiranjeet

>

>

>

>

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>

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dear lal kitabee ji, thanks for your reply.May God bless u in your noble endeavour. But i am sorry to say that I did not see pundit ji writing remedies in his own hand.He would see the janam kundli,ask one of the followers to prepare varashphal as par the varshphal booklet and after drusti questions;ask for the problem and pronounce the remedies, which if required ,were written down by the followers;mostly by the visitor himself. Mr. gupta 's paper is a rare thing because after encircling the address with Lal ink, this paper was kept by respected punditji in his possession to do the needful.However, i shall enquire from my relative with whom i used to visit pundit ji if he can throw some light on this subject. I shall let u know. I can quote one of the incidences which I still remember vividly.A lady presented pundit ji her kundli and the problem that she had 3 sons but after their marriages, neither the

sons nor the daughters-in-law care for her.Pundit ji asked her that in the last year or two,usne peetal ke utensils bech kar ke steel ke bartan to nahin khareede? Se replied in the affirmative. The incidence is open for discussion. with best wishes; sincerely, kiranjeet

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