Guest guest Posted August 17, 2007 Report Share Posted August 17, 2007 Respected Tyagi ji, Thanks a lot for such a nice & rational analysis. Its a rare opportunity to have insight from learned gurujan and scholars. It means benefic planets need to be strengthened. Sir, pl. Clarify the difference between afflicted and malefic planet. Thanks once again for your generosity. Prarthi, pradeep -----Original Mail----- cptyagi2007 Thursday, 16th August 2007 11:21 pm Lal Kitab Discussion Group Re: Masnui Planets and their Impacts Respected Mishra ji, I don’t intend to jump in between you and respected Lalkitabee ji, just wanted to point out one anomaly. When an enemy planet aspects a planet it doesn’t turn the aspected planet into a malefic. All the aspecting planet can do is to diminish the strength or the result giving capacity of the aspected planet. A benefic planet would continue to give benefic results, may not be in the same proportion as it would have, had it not been aspected by its enemy. The benefic planet will not turn into a malefic. Therefore an aspect by an enemy planet, on a planet which is badly placed and could possibly give malefic result, is considered good or beneficial because the capacity to do the damage by the aspected planet is likely to be reduced. Similarly an aspect of an enemy planet on a beneficially placed planet would reduce its capacity to give beneficial results and hence is not considered beneficial for the jatak. The logic is the same as in Vedic astrology where malefic planets placed in Trik houses are considered as beneficial to the jatak. With regards, Chandra Prakash , pradeep mishra <pm_pmishra wrote: > > Respected lalkitabee ji, > sorry to bother you. > If the aspecting planet is not a friend then the aspected planet will become malefic and 6 logics of upaya are suggested in LK. > I hope with your blessings. I have rightly interpreted it. > > AkshamaPrarthi, > pradeep > > > -----Original Mail----- > lalkitabee > Tuesday, 14th August 2007 12:56 am > > Lal Kitab Discussion Group Re: Masnui Planets and their Impacts > > Respected Mishra Ji > > U r asking some questions about process of analyses or it seems u r > trying to get analyses of a horoscope.Even this is not permitted in > this group.Though I can say that there r various scannings according > lalkitab after that again scanning of scannings. In this way this > chapter cant be closed in a written way.Which u asked that is a > subject of deep analyses.So u can understand that it is time > consuming also. I can say after some readings of principles u will > get ur answer urself, even we can also help u to understand at this > topic at that time. If u r a beginer then answer of ur querry may > disgust u from this subject.So U have to use ur MANAN & CHINTAN & > grip at lalkitab astrology 1st of all. > > With Regards > > Pt.Lalkitabee > Mb. 9812020001 > www.lalkitabee.com > > > > , pradeep mishra ><pm_pmishra@> wrote: >> >> Respected Lalkitabee ji, >> >> First of all thanks for your kind words. It's always a privilege > and pleasure to learn >> from you. >> >> Sir, when a planet through dristhi makes another planet >> uncomfortable, assuming both are not friendly to each other,thus > aspected planet and house are affected and their significations can > suffer. >> What logic should be applied e.g. Moon in 1st house and sar in > 7th or moon in 1st and mer in 7th. >> >> The impact of masnui should be assessed when >> !. When two or more planets are in conjunction,forming another > planet. >> 2. Single planet in a house and still its masnui part can be > trouble maker. E.G. Venus in 6th or jur in 10th(sun alome can be > shifted to 4. Masnui part of jur) >> Sir. In case of drishti how the aspecting planet should be handled. >> Please share your insight. >> >> Thanks for time and energy. >> >> With Regards. >> Pradeep >> >> -----Original Mail----- >> lalkitabee >> Saturday, 11th August 2007 6:57 pm >> >> Lal Kitab Discussion Group Re: Masnui Planets and their > Impacts >> >> Hello Mishra Ji >> U r using drishti of planets but y u forgot that even there is > 100% >> drishti ,no planets transfered in 7th house.Maslan Jo fark aapke >> saamne waley padosi ke dwara apne ghar se aapko ghoor kar dekhne > aur >> aapke ghar main ghus kar maar pitayee karne ya apnaapan dikhaane >> main hoga ,vahi fark drishti ke dwara doosre ghar main asar daalne >> main aur khud doosrey ghar main baithney ke beech hoga.Mere khyal > se >> aap buniyadi taur par hi galat kar rahey hain ,aagey kyaa likhoon. >> With Regards >> Pt.Lalkitabee >> Mb.9812020001 >> www.lalkitabee.com >> , pradeep mishra >><pm_pmishra@> wrote: >>> >>> Respected Varun Ji/lalKitabee ji & Senior Members, >>> >>> If Moon and Mars are in 1st House and Sar,Mer in 7th house of > a >> Horoscope. >>> As per my understanding of Lal Kitab, Planets in 1st house > have >> 100% drishti on 7th house but vice versa is not true. >>> >>> Position in 7th house is= Moon+Mars+Sar+Mer. >>> Masnui planets in 7th house >>> 1) Ketu (Neech) i.e. Moon+Sar. >>> 2) Sar(Rahu Swabhav) i.e. Mer+Mars >>> >>> Masnui ketu in 7th house will destroy the significations of > 7th >> house i.e. Rijak, Rozgaar etc. >>> Because Ketu has enemity with Venus and 7th is pucca ghar of >> Venus & Mer. >>> >>> One should throw 7th Lemons(Karka of ketu) in flowing water to >> reduce malefience or is there some more powerful remedy mentioned > in >> lalKitab. >>> If so, please share your insight. >>> >>> Sar in 7th house is exalted(unch) as per lal kitab and sar is >> already posited in 7th house of Horoscope. >>> So here 2 sar exists in 7th house one is masnui saturn and > other >> is natal saturn. >>> >>> As per my understanding,we can do upaya of saturn for > Varshphal >> not for natal sar. >>> >>> What would be the impact of Masnui Sar in 7th since it is rahu >> swabhav and what Upaya should be done for this. >>> >>> Please correct the logic, if I am wrong. >>> >>> With Regards, >>> Pradeep Mishra >>> >>> >>> >>> Sick sense of humor? 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Guest guest Posted August 17, 2007 Report Share Posted August 17, 2007 Respected Mishra ji, Benefic or malefic is the nature or the quality of the planet which it acquires either through placement or through our own actions. You know that we could through our own actions turn even a benefic planet like Jupiter into a malefic. Affliction is a term used in a derogatory sense where an evil planet affects another planet either by association or through aspect. Thus an afflicted planet need not necessarily be a malefic by itself, it could be a first rate benefic through placement, and yet it gets depressed because of an affliction by a malefic. In such cases the afflicted planet gets incapacitated. If that is so then first the upaya has to be done of the afflicting planet and second an effort should be made to protect the vulnerable planet. With regards, Chandra Prakash , pradeep mishra <pm_pmishra wrote: > > Respected Tyagi ji, > Thanks a lot for such a nice & rational analysis. > Its a rare opportunity to have insight from learned gurujan and scholars. > It means benefic planets need to be strengthened. > Sir, pl. Clarify the difference between afflicted and malefic planet. > Thanks once again for your generosity. > > Prarthi, > pradeep > > -----Original Mail----- > cptyagi2007 > Thursday, 16th August 2007 11:21 pm > > Lal Kitab Discussion Group Re: Masnui Planets and their Impacts > > Respected Mishra ji, > > I don’t intend to jump in between you and respected Lalkitabee ji, > just wanted to point out one anomaly. > > When an enemy planet aspects a planet it doesn’t turn the aspected > planet into a malefic. All the aspecting planet can do is to > diminish the strength or the result giving capacity of the aspected > planet. A benefic planet would continue to give benefic results, may > not be in the same proportion as it would have, had it not been > aspected by its enemy. The benefic planet will not turn into a > malefic. > > Therefore an aspect by an enemy planet, on a planet which is badly > placed and could possibly give malefic result, is considered good or > beneficial because the capacity to do the damage by the aspected > planet is likely to be reduced. > > Similarly an aspect of an enemy planet on a beneficially placed > planet would reduce its capacity to give beneficial results and > hence is not considered beneficial for the jatak. > > The logic is the same as in Vedic astrology where malefic planets > placed in Trik houses are considered as beneficial to the jatak. > > With regards, > > Chandra Prakash > > > > > , pradeep mishra > <pm_pmishra@> wrote: > > > > Respected lalkitabee ji, > > sorry to bother you. > > If the aspecting planet is not a friend then the aspected planet > will become malefic and 6 logics of upaya are suggested in LK. > > I hope with your blessings. I have rightly interpreted it. > > > > AkshamaPrarthi, > > pradeep > > > > > > -----Original Mail----- > > lalkitabee > > Tuesday, 14th August 2007 12:56 am > > > > Lal Kitab Discussion Group Re: Masnui Planets and their > Impacts > > > > Respected Mishra Ji > > > > U r asking some questions about process of analyses or it seems u r > > trying to get analyses of a horoscope.Even this is not permitted in > > this group.Though I can say that there r various scannings > according > > lalkitab after that again scanning of scannings. In this way this > > chapter cant be closed in a written way.Which u asked that is a > > subject of deep analyses.So u can understand that it is time > > consuming also. I can say after some readings of principles u will > > get ur answer urself, even we can also help u to understand at this > > topic at that time. If u r a beginer then answer of ur querry may > > disgust u from this subject.So U have to use ur MANAN & CHINTAN & > > grip at lalkitab astrology 1st of all. > > > > With Regards > > > > Pt.Lalkitabee > > Mb. 9812020001 > > www.lalkitabee.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , pradeep mishra > ><pm_pmishra@> wrote: > >> > >> Respected Lalkitabee ji, > >> > >> First of all thanks for your kind words. It's always a privilege > > and pleasure to learn > >> from you. > >> > >> Sir, when a planet through dristhi makes another planet > >> uncomfortable, assuming both are not friendly to each other,thus > > aspected planet and house are affected and their significations can > > suffer. > >> What logic should be applied e.g. Moon in 1st house and sar in > > 7th or moon in 1st and mer in 7th. > >> > >> The impact of masnui should be assessed when > >> !. When two or more planets are in conjunction,forming another > > planet. > >> 2. Single planet in a house and still its masnui part can be > > trouble maker. E.G. Venus in 6th or jur in 10th(sun alome can be > > shifted to 4. Masnui part of jur) > >> Sir. In case of drishti how the aspecting planet should be > handled. > >> Please share your insight. > >> > >> Thanks for time and energy. > >> > >> With Regards. > >> Pradeep > >> > >> -----Original Mail----- > >> lalkitabee > >> Saturday, 11th August 2007 6:57 pm > >> > >> Lal Kitab Discussion Group Re: Masnui Planets and their > > Impacts > >> > >> Hello Mishra Ji > >> U r using drishti of planets but y u forgot that even there is > > 100% > >> drishti ,no planets transfered in 7th house.Maslan Jo fark aapke > >> saamne waley padosi ke dwara apne ghar se aapko ghoor kar dekhne > > aur > >> aapke ghar main ghus kar maar pitayee karne ya apnaapan dikhaane > >> main hoga ,vahi fark drishti ke dwara doosre ghar main asar > daalne > >> main aur khud doosrey ghar main baithney ke beech hoga.Mere khyal > > se > >> aap buniyadi taur par hi galat kar rahey hain ,aagey kyaa > likhoon. > >> With Regards > >> Pt.Lalkitabee > >> Mb.9812020001 > >> www.lalkitabee.com > >> , pradeep mishra > >><pm_pmishra@> wrote: > >>> > >>> Respected Varun Ji/lalKitabee ji & Senior Members, > >>> > >>> If Moon and Mars are in 1st House and Sar,Mer in 7th house of > > a > >> Horoscope. > >>> As per my understanding of Lal Kitab, Planets in 1st house > > have > >> 100% drishti on 7th house but vice versa is not true. > >>> > >>> Position in 7th house is= Moon+Mars+Sar+Mer. > >>> Masnui planets in 7th house > >>> 1) Ketu (Neech) i.e. Moon+Sar. > >>> 2) Sar(Rahu Swabhav) i.e. Mer+Mars > >>> > >>> Masnui ketu in 7th house will destroy the significations of > > 7th > >> house i.e. Rijak, Rozgaar etc. > >>> Because Ketu has enemity with Venus and 7th is pucca ghar of > >> Venus & Mer. > >>> > >>> One should throw 7th Lemons(Karka of ketu) in flowing water to > >> reduce malefience or is there some more powerful remedy mentioned > > in > >> lalKitab. > >>> If so, please share your insight. > >>> > >>> Sar in 7th house is exalted(unch) as per lal kitab and sar is > >> already posited in 7th house of Horoscope. > >>> So here 2 sar exists in 7th house one is masnui saturn and > > other > >> is natal saturn. > >>> > >>> As per my understanding,we can do upaya of saturn for > > Varshphal > >> not for natal sar. > >>> > >>> What would be the impact of Masnui Sar in 7th since it is rahu > >> swabhav and what Upaya should be done for this. > >>> > >>> Please correct the logic, if I am wrong. > >>> > >>> With Regards, > >>> Pradeep Mishra > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Sick sense of humor? Visit TV's Comedy with an Edge to > > see > >> what's on, when. > >>> > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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