Lal Kitab Discussion Group saturn in sixth

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Respected Pucchi ji,

 

I do not mind entering into a discussion but I avoid entering into

an argument.

 

As I see, Rahu placed in the 8th would have a 100% aspect on the 2nd

house. This aspect is an aspect of assimilation where the planet is

taken as assimilated within the aspected planets

 

Even otherwise for the 2nd house in the 1941 and 1942 editions the

Lal Kitab says, " aath grah is ghar aate, juda ravi par rahata hai "

meaning that eight planets excluding the Sun get into this house

through the aspect.

 

Therefore I had worked out the masnuyee possibilities assuming that

in case the Rahu gets assimilated then what would be the picture

like.

 

And what the picture is likely to be, I have already said.

 

With regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " gck " <gckindian

wrote:

>

> respected trivedi ji and pranaam to all gurujano,

>

> apne toh ek line keh ke baat khatam kar di, mainey jo bhi likha

apni choti si buddhi ke hisaab se likha, kripya karke aap bhi toh

apna koi tark rakhein aur kripya karke mujhe bataiyein ki mein sahi

keh raha hoon ki galat.

>

> pucchi

>

>

> -

> varun_trvd

>

> Monday, August 20, 2007 11:36 AM

> Lal Kitab Discussion Group Re: saturn in sixth

>

>

> Respected Pucchi ji,

>

> " isliye uska (matlab rahu ka) asar almost nil hi ho jayega,

matlab

> ki uskey asar dalney ka pata bhi nahi chal payega, na teve waley

ko

> aur na hi un grahon ke rishteydaron ko, "

>

> If that comes true all the better.

>

> Regards,

>

> Varun Trivedi

>

> , " gck " <gckindian@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Respected trivedi ji,

> >

> > apne toh drishti ke grah rahu ko 2nd house mein hi bitha diya,

> sahab rahu sirf 2nd house pe apne effect dalega being in 8th,

matlab

> ki wahan pe baithe grahon pe asar dalega par agar wahan pe

panchayat

> ban jayegi aur kyonki panchayat bahut powerful hoti hai isliye

uska

> (matlab rahu ka) asar almost nil hi ho jayega, matlab ki uskey

asar

> dalney ka pata bhi nahi chal payega, na teve waley ko aur na hi

un

> grahon ke rishteydaron ko, isiliye toh lk mein likha hai ki

> panchayat har tarikey se beneficial hogi agar wahan pe budh na

ho,

> kyonki maharaj budh sabko pata hai ki gaanthey lagatey rehtey

hain

> aur panchayat ko raajniti ka maidaan bana dengey.

> >

> > sabhi gurujano se request hai ki kripya apni gyan drishti se

mere

> kahey gaye vakyon ko shudh karein.

> >

> > pucchi

> > -

> > varun_trvd

> >

> > Sunday, August 19, 2007 1:14 AM

> > Lal Kitab Discussion Group Re: saturn in sixth

> >

> >

> > Respected Pucchi ji,

> >

> > Your logic is correct.

> >

> > Now lets see what this combination would look like assuming

> rahu,

> > through aspect, also gets added to the company in the manner

of

> > mangal ki milawat [ read aspects section in Lal Kitab]

> >

> > Moon + mars + venus + ketu + { Saturn} + { rahu }

> >

> > This combination could then result into either of these two

> > formations { masnuyee formations}

> >

> > # 1 : moon +{ khali Chandra + neech ketu }

> >

> > OR

> >

> > # 2 : moon + Mars + { neech ketu + venus }

> >

> > The first resultant combination would be dreadful causing

> pneumonia,

> > rheumatism , bad for mother and the son.

> >

> > The second resultant combination again would be bad for the

> mother

> > and the son, 48 saal tak santaan se dukhi.

> >

> > In either case both the resultant combinations would not be

> > desirable. The rest is your own choice.

> >

> > With regards,

> >

> > Varun Trivedi

> >

> > , " gck " <gckindian@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Trivedi Ji and all gurujano ko mera pranaam!

> > >

> > > So, if we move saturn from sixth house to 2nd house, it

would

> form

> > a panchayat, now the point is that it is written in lk that a

> > panchayat is beneficial in all the ways, still rahu is in 8th

> house

> > and it will send it's effect in 2nd house, here we have got

two

> > points in advantage, first a panchayat in 2nd house and second

> as

> > saturn is being moved so there won't be any salahakaar for

rahu

> and

> > it will send its effect according to his own buddhi and as

rahu

> is

> > placed in 8th house (pakka ghar of mars+saturn), and being

> aspected

> > by a panchayat of five planets.

> > >

> > > Aab meri sabhi gurujano se yeh request hai ki rahu kis

tarikey

> se

> > apne effects daleyga second house pe, according to me rahu

being

> > mischievious in nature can effect a panchayat also, well that

is

> > what i logically thinks (actually not logically, but as we

know

> from

> > dunyavi halaat that some mischievious people can go against

> > panchayat also).

> > >

> > > kripya karke sabhi gurujan meri is choti si buddhi se nikli

> hui is

> > baat ki aour zara dhyaan de aur mere is tark mein jo bhi

> galtiyaan

> > hai usey sudhar kar mera maarg darshan karein apne gyan ke

duara.

> > >

> > > Thanks in advance to all for your precious devoted time to

> this

> > discussion.

> > >

> > > pucchi

> > > -

> > > varun_trvd

> > >

> > > Thursday, August 16, 2007 1:24 PM

> > > Lal Kitab Discussion Group Re: saturn in sixth

> > >

> > >

> > > Respected Pucchi Kapoor,

> > >

> > > What you have said is logical and correct.

> > >

> > > Now the question is how to tackle Saturn. Shifting it to the

> 8th

> > or

> > > 12th will not serve the purpose because the 2nd house would

> > still be

> > > under its aspect. Therefore the choice remains between the

2nd

> > and

> > > the 3rd house.

> > >

> > > In the Second it will form a Panchayat if you are sure that

> the

> > > other four planets including Ketu stay in the 2nd house.

Ketu

> > will

> > > be a crucial planet in forming the panchayat.

> > >

> > > The saturn can not be shifted to the 3rd house so long as

the

> > Sun is

> > > there.

> > >

> > > Apart from the alternatives given above, Saturn should also

be

> > > cooled through the traditional 6th house upaya of burying

> > mustard

> > > oil under the water.

> > >

> > > With reagrds

> > >

> > > Varun Trivedi

> > >

> > > , " pucchikapoor "

> > > <gckindian@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Gurujano ko mera pranaam,

> > > >

> > > > Saturn in Sixth house becomes very ferocious (lk says),

and

> it

> > > becomes

> > > > much more ferocious if rahu is in 8th as saturn being in

> sixth

> > > will

> > > > have a drishti on 2nd house and will give poisonous bites

to

> > the

> > > > planets in 2nd house, on the other hand 8th house planets

> also

> > > effects

> > > > 2nd house planets after consulting sixth house planets

> through

> > > > eleventh house, rahu is agent of saturn (jo ki insaan ki

> > burayi

> > > shani

> > > > judge ke saamne prastut karta hai), so this combination

> > becomes

> > > deadly

> > > > for planets in 2nd house.what i think that why donot we

move

> > sixth

> > > > saturn to somewhere else like in eighth house, 12th house,

> 3rd

> > > house

> > > > and second house, did i say second house!!! yes, but why

as

> > saturn

> > > has

> > > > a drishti path to second house as said in lk.

> > > >

> > > > i request to all gurujans to throw some light on the above

> > said

> > > and

> > > > kripya karke is choti si buddhi ke dwara utpanna kiye gaye

> > logic

> > > ko

> > > > apne gyaan ki drishti se shuddh karein aur trutiya

> bataiyein,

> > also

> > > > giving an example of planetary combination so that one

more

> lk

> > > > priciple can get involved and that is panchayat.

> > > >

> > > > kundli:

> > > > 2nd house: moon, mars, venus, ketu

> > > > 3rd house: sun, mer

> > > > 4th house: jupiter

> > > > 6th house: saturn

> > > > 8th house: rahu

> > > >

> > > > according to me the better option would be to move saturn

in

> > > second

> > > > house as then it would make a panchayat in second house

and

> it

> > > would

> > > > become beneficial into all walks of life, otherwise we can

> > send

> > > saturn

> > > > to 12th house but it can make some damage to 2nd house

moon

> > and

> > > mars.

> > > >

> > > > respected gurujans please throw some light and solve this

> > query.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks in advance to all gurujans for their kind help and

> > sorry if

> > > in

> > > > anyway my discussion hurts.

> > > >

> > > > pucchi

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Respected Trivedi Ji,

 

I can never ever thought of argumenting to you or any other respected gurujan in this group, I am really sorry if my words can make you think so.

 

So the discussion is almost over except one part that what could be the best way to send Saturn to second house. Mentioning below the ways which i can thing upto my small knowledge.

 

1.Placing iron dibbi with mustard oil in north west corner of house or around house in a kaccha sthan or if grass grows there then it is best.

 

Could you please throw some light on the other possible ways to send saturn to second house.

 

Once again sorry if i hurt you in any manner.

 

pucchi

 

-

varun_trvd

Monday, August 20, 2007 12:55 PM

Lal Kitab Discussion Group Re: saturn in sixth

 

 

Respected Pucchi ji,I do not mind entering into a discussion but I avoid entering into an argument.As I see, Rahu placed in the 8th would have a 100% aspect on the 2nd house. This aspect is an aspect of assimilation where the planet is taken as assimilated within the aspected planetsEven otherwise for the 2nd house in the 1941 and 1942 editions the Lal Kitab says, " aath grah is ghar aate, juda ravi par rahata hai" meaning that eight planets excluding the Sun get into this house through the aspect.Therefore I had worked out the masnuyee possibilities assuming that in case the Rahu gets assimilated then what would be the picture like.And what the picture is likely to be, I have already said.With regards,Varun Trivedi , "gck" <gckindian wrote:>> respected trivedi ji and pranaam to all gurujano,> > apne toh ek line keh ke baat khatam kar di, mainey jo bhi likha apni choti si buddhi ke hisaab se likha, kripya karke aap bhi toh apna koi tark rakhein aur kripya karke mujhe bataiyein ki mein sahi keh raha hoon ki galat.> > pucchi> > > - > varun_trvd > > Monday, August 20, 2007 11:36 AM> Lal Kitab Discussion Group Re: saturn in sixth> > > Respected Pucchi ji,> > "isliye uska (matlab rahu ka) asar almost nil hi ho jayega, matlab > ki uskey asar dalney ka pata bhi nahi chal payega, na teve waley ko > aur na hi un grahon ke rishteydaron ko,"> > If that comes true all the better.> > Regards,> > Varun Trivedi> > , "gck" <gckindian@> > wrote:> >> > Respected trivedi ji,> > > > apne toh drishti ke grah rahu ko 2nd house mein hi bitha diya, > sahab rahu sirf 2nd house pe apne effect dalega being in 8th, matlab > ki wahan pe baithe grahon pe asar dalega par agar wahan pe panchayat > ban jayegi aur kyonki panchayat bahut powerful hoti hai isliye uska > (matlab rahu ka) asar almost nil hi ho jayega, matlab ki uskey asar > dalney ka pata bhi nahi chal payega, na teve waley ko aur na hi un > grahon ke rishteydaron ko, isiliye toh lk mein likha hai ki > panchayat har tarikey se beneficial hogi agar wahan pe budh na ho, > kyonki maharaj budh sabko pata hai ki gaanthey lagatey rehtey hain > aur panchayat ko raajniti ka maidaan bana dengey.> > > > sabhi gurujano se request hai ki kripya apni gyan drishti se mere > kahey gaye vakyon ko shudh karein.> > > > pucchi> > - > > varun_trvd > > > > Sunday, August 19, 2007 1:14 AM> > Lal Kitab Discussion Group Re: saturn in sixth> > > > > > Respected Pucchi ji,> > > > Your logic is correct.> > > > Now lets see what this combination would look like assuming > rahu, > > through aspect, also gets added to the company in the manner of > > mangal ki milawat [ read aspects section in Lal Kitab]> > > > Moon + mars + venus + ketu + { Saturn} + { rahu }> > > > This combination could then result into either of these two > > formations { masnuyee formations}> > > > # 1 : moon +{ khali Chandra + neech ketu }> > > > OR> > > > # 2 : moon + Mars + { neech ketu + venus }> > > > The first resultant combination would be dreadful causing > pneumonia, > > rheumatism , bad for mother and the son.> > > > The second resultant combination again would be bad for the > mother > > and the son, 48 saal tak santaan se dukhi.> > > > In either case both the resultant combinations would not be > > desirable. The rest is your own choice.> > > > With regards,> > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > , "gck" <gckindian@> > > wrote:> > >> > > Respected Trivedi Ji and all gurujano ko mera pranaam!> > > > > > So, if we move saturn from sixth house to 2nd house, it would > form > > a panchayat, now the point is that it is written in lk that a > > panchayat is beneficial in all the ways, still rahu is in 8th > house > > and it will send it's effect in 2nd house, here we have got two > > points in advantage, first a panchayat in 2nd house and second > as > > saturn is being moved so there won't be any salahakaar for rahu > and > > it will send its effect according to his own buddhi and as rahu > is > > placed in 8th house (pakka ghar of mars+saturn), and being > aspected > > by a panchayat of five planets.> > > > > > Aab meri sabhi gurujano se yeh request hai ki rahu kis tarikey > se > > apne effects daleyga second house pe, according to me rahu being > > mischievious in nature can effect a panchayat also, well that is > > what i logically thinks (actually not logically, but as we know > from > > dunyavi halaat that some mischievious people can go against > > panchayat also).> > > > > > kripya karke sabhi gurujan meri is choti si buddhi se nikli > hui is > > baat ki aour zara dhyaan de aur mere is tark mein jo bhi > galtiyaan > > hai usey sudhar kar mera maarg darshan karein apne gyan ke duara.> > > > > > Thanks in advance to all for your precious devoted time to > this > > discussion.> > > > > > pucchi > > > - > > > varun_trvd > > > > > > Thursday, August 16, 2007 1:24 PM> > > Lal Kitab Discussion Group Re: saturn in sixth> > > > > > > > > Respected Pucchi Kapoor,> > > > > > What you have said is logical and correct.> > > > > > Now the question is how to tackle Saturn. Shifting it to the > 8th > > or > > > 12th will not serve the purpose because the 2nd house would > > still be > > > under its aspect. Therefore the choice remains between the 2nd > > and > > > the 3rd house.> > > > > > In the Second it will form a Panchayat if you are sure that > the > > > other four planets including Ketu stay in the 2nd house. Ketu > > will > > > be a crucial planet in forming the panchayat. > > > > > > The saturn can not be shifted to the 3rd house so long as the > > Sun is > > > there.> > > > > > Apart from the alternatives given above, Saturn should also be > > > cooled through the traditional 6th house upaya of burying > > mustard > > > oil under the water.> > > > > > With reagrds> > > > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > > > , "pucchikapoor" > > > <gckindian@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Respected Gurujano ko mera pranaam,> > > > > > > > Saturn in Sixth house becomes very ferocious (lk says), and > it > > > becomes > > > > much more ferocious if rahu is in 8th as saturn being in > sixth > > > will > > > > have a drishti on 2nd house and will give poisonous bites to > > the > > > > planets in 2nd house, on the other hand 8th house planets > also > > > effects > > > > 2nd house planets after consulting sixth house planets > through > > > > eleventh house, rahu is agent of saturn (jo ki insaan ki > > burayi > > > shani > > > > judge ke saamne prastut karta hai), so this combination > > becomes > > > deadly > > > > for planets in 2nd house.what i think that why donot we move > > sixth > > > > saturn to somewhere else like in eighth house, 12th house, > 3rd > > > house > > > > and second house, did i say second house!!! yes, but why as > > saturn > > > has > > > > a drishti path to second house as said in lk.> > > > > > > > i request to all gurujans to throw some light on the above > > said > > > and > > > > kripya karke is choti si buddhi ke dwara utpanna kiye gaye > > logic > > > ko > > > > apne gyaan ki drishti se shuddh karein aur trutiya > bataiyein, > > also > > > > giving an example of planetary combination so that one more > lk > > > > priciple can get involved and that is panchayat.> > > > > > > > kundli:> > > > 2nd house: moon, mars, venus, ketu> > > > 3rd house: sun, mer> > > > 4th house: jupiter> > > > 6th house: saturn> > > > 8th house: rahu> > > > > > > > according to me the better option would be to move saturn in > > > second > > > > house as then it would make a panchayat in second house and > it > > > would > > > > become beneficial into all walks of life, otherwise we can > > send > > > saturn > > > > to 12th house but it can make some damage to 2nd house moon > > and > > > mars.> > > > > > > > respected gurujans please throw some light and solve this > > query.> > > > > > > > Thanks in advance to all gurujans for their kind help and > > sorry if > > > in > > > > anyway my discussion hurts.> > > > > > > > pucchi> > > >> > >> >>