Unpublished notes of Pt. Rupchand ji / Kulbir singh

[Guest guest]

Dear Kulbir Bhai

 

Yes we are aware of claims by some people that they have in their

possession some hand written notes of Pt. Rupchand ji.

 

Such claims are made by two different types of claimants:

 

One where the notes are said to be written by Pandit ji himself. His

son Pt Som Dutta ji is one who claims to have such notes.

There are a few others who also claim that they have procured from

somewhere loose sheets of paper supposed to be the handwritten notes

of Pt. Rupchand ji.

 

The second type is of those who claim to have in their possession

some hand written notes by people who were the contemporaries of

Pandit ji. It is said or rather claimed that these people took down

some notes while Pandit ji examined kundalis and suggested upaya. One

such person who claimed that he sat out side the Baithak of Pandit ji

and copied down the prescriptions written by Pandit ji. This man

later got a small book published based on those notes.

 

In most cases these people seek attention and importance through the

reflected glory of Pandit ji. Take the case of the sarini itself.

Till we people made it public the sarini was a jealously guarded

secret. People assumed unnecessary importance simply because they had

the sarini. They little realized that the sarini they guarded so

jealously was nothing but a damp squib.

 

We all know what troubles our friend Yog Raj Prabhakar ji had to go

through collecting the Urdu books. It took him years to collect all

the five books.

 

The general psychology of the people is not to share. We in this

group believe in sharing, that too freely and exuberantly.

 

Are we taken in by such people who claim to possess these hand

written notes by Pandit ji ?

 

ABSOLUTELY NO.

 

We do not believe that even Pt. Som Dutta ji has any hand written

notes by Pt. Rup Chand ji. For all we know it might be a gimmick to

sell a book, which he might write some time later, although we know

he is not capable of doing even that. Even if he publishes a book

claiming that it is the notes of pandit ji, we will have our doubts

about it.

 

All of us who have been studying the Lal Kitab know very well that

Pandit Rup Chand ji knew about the potential of his progeny very

well. If he could predict for others, wouldn't he have known that

his next generation will be an incompetent lot. He knew it.

 

Therefore whatever Pandit ji wanted to say had been said in the five

books he left behind. He did not leave any thing unsaid. For us those

five books are the final and ultimate. Every thing else after those

five books is subsidiary.

 

Supposing we ever come across such notes, we will get them thoroughly

examined for genuineness before accepting. We are in Aligarh, a place

that is the best in the country for Urdu studies. The Aligarh

University gets hundreds of manuscripts of Urdu, Persian and Arabic

every year for verification. It will take us just a few days to get

the notes verified.

 

Kulbir Bhai, be assured that we are not going to be impressed by such

claims. We had seen enough of it. We are no kids. We are into the Lal

Kitab studies on our own terms. We do not believe in Godfathers, we

do not need any. We know to make a place for ourselves by sheer hard

work and have the guts to challenge the mightiest.

 

Would you ever believe that people like us could be naïve or

gullible ? NO.

 

With regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " kulbirbains "

<kulbirbains wrote:

>

> Respected moderators; While nirmal ji posts his querries regarding

> previous messages. in the meantime i would like to bring to ur kind

> notice that of late some rumours have begun to surface that some 70-

> 80 pages of lalkitab which are supposed to be written by pt. Rup

> Chand Joshi ji but were not printed in any of the 5 editions of

> lalkitab; have been found out by some persons.

> 1. What is the genuinty of these pages since these are not shown to

> anyone but the message is send out by way of word of mouth.? or is

> it yet another gimmick.

> 2. If someone brings forward these pages shouldn't they be put to

> some kind of forensic tests to prove its authencity.

> 3. If genuine then the reason for their not being published be

found

> out especially when we see that sarani was not printed in any

> edition of lalkitab and upon minute observation it was found out to

> be flawed and inaccurate.

> i think that as moderators and having the resources at ur command u

> too must have heard these rumours and as being a duty of this group

> to stop this kind of nuisance i would like to have ur and learned

> members' views on this issue.

>

> kulbirbains

>

>

>

> , " varun_trvd "

> <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Members,

> >

> > There has been a very thorough, objective and highly technical

> > discussion on the sarini. Five different members, Raheja ji,

> Chandra

> > prakash,shri Nimal Bhardwaj ji , Pt. Bhooshan Priya ji and myself

> had

> > examined the sarini and we found it inaccurate.

> >

> > At the end of the debate it is conclusively proved that the Lagna

> > degrees acquired from this Sarini will not be accurate.

Therefore

> it

> > should not be used as a Jyotish tool for births within India or

> > abroad.

> >

> > Since we Lal Kitab astrologers do not live and operate in

> isolation,

> > we operate within a larger community of traditional Vedic

> > astrologers, we have to use Jyotish tools which are universally

> > accepted as precise and accurate. We can not set up our own

> standards

> > which are not on par with the rest of the community.

> >

> > In spite of our findings if some one wants to continue using this

> > sarini, he may do so. But we would request that he/she should not

> > associate the name of Lal Kitab with this Sarini. We should not

> let

> > the impression go around that the Lal Kitab is archaic and

> > compromises with quality of precision.

> >

> > The Lal Kitab is already maligned by some as a book of Tona and

> > Totkas. All of us are making great efforts to get the Lal Kitab

> > accepted as a very valuable astrology book in the tradition of

> Vedic

> > astrology and not in the tradition of any dark and secret occult

> > system.

> >

> > Some of us have been very successful in our efforts to make

> > traditional astrologers accept that the Lal Kitab is not a book

of

> > occult tantra, instaed it is a part of traditional Indian

> astrology

> > and that is very effective.

> >

> > Recently when a few traditional Vedic astrology groups chose to

> > discuss the Lal Kitab, some of us posed three simple challenges,

> > which no body had any answers for.

> >

> > The first challenge was to find out the most active group

> [messages

> > per month ] of all the astrology groups. The

> Lalkitab_remedies

> > group of our guru ji Pt. Bhooshan Priya ji was in the top two

> > groups. That shows how popular the Lal Kitab system is. No system

> can

> > be popular unless it is effective.

> >

> > The second challenge was : Can some one point out a single upaya

> > suggested by Pt. Bhooshan Priya ji which could be called as

> Tantrik

> > or of occult. No body could find a single upaya of that nature.

> Thus

> > the impression that the Lal Kitab is a book of Tona and Totkas

was

> > laid to rest.

> >

> > The third challenge was : go to all the groups, type the word

> > FEEDBACK in the search and see which group gets the most positive

> > feed back. There again the Lalkitab_remedies group had no

> > comparison. The Lalkitab remedies group was far, far ahead of the

> > rest.

> >

> > Therefore we would request the Lal Kitab astrologers to please,

> not

> > do any thing which could compromise the Lal Kitab.

> >

> > LET THE BOOK BE BIGGER THAN OUR EGOS

> >

> > Regards and respect to all,

> >

> > Varun Trivedi

> >

>