Guest guest Posted November 5, 2007 Report Share Posted November 5, 2007 Sanay ji, wearing gold bangles in wrists lead to invoking effect of jupiter in 3rd house. 3rd house also aspects house no 11.i am not sure whether the same principle could be extended to ring of pukhraj. mangal in 11 is handcuffed by hawai zanjeer of brahspat. therfore the upaya of peela rang of jupiter in mangal-shani -11 should be termed as exception to the general rule. thanx for this information. kulbir , sanya mehra <sanyamehra_80 wrote: > > Thanks a lot Mr Kulbir ji and Mr Varun ji for you reply. > But Mr Varun ji one more doubt, that is, what if the planet of next house say mars or saturn move to another house after bhav spasht and gives effect of the latter house. In such a case if mars and saturn happen to give the effect in the same house then would the impact be considered the same like its conjunction or it would be different since they belong to different rashis? > And as Mr Kulbir ji mentioned that for saturn mars conjunction appeasing or strengthening jupiter proves fruitful. I have read in previous messages of this group that mars saturn conjunction in the 11th leads to debts especially if jupiter aspects it, then in such a case strengthening jupiter or wearing pukhraj wud b benefical if jupiter is seeing 11th house from 5th house? > > Yours sincerely > Sanya > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: > Respected Sanya ji, > > If the Mars placed in the 9th is under the aspect of Mercury than > only it will be malefic that too if it doesn't get any aspect from > Sun, Moon and Jupiter. In case a Mars placed in the 9th gets the > aspect from any of its friends the malefic influence of mercury would > get nullified. > > Mars in the 9th can get an aspect of the mercury only if the mercury > is either in the 3rd or the 5th house. > > Another situation of Mars being under the influence of mercury could > be if the Mars is placed in the 9th and the mercury is placed either > in Aries or in Scorpio. In that case it will be one of the conditions > of Pitri Rin, not a pitri rin unless two other conditions are also > fulfilled. > > About the other planet moving to the next house or the one previous > to it can happen only if a Bhav-spashta is done. In that case the > effect of the planet will be felt in the house it has moved to. > > Regards, > > Varun Trivedi > > , kulbir bains > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > sanya ji, i don't have sufficient knowledge about rashis, varun ji > will answer that part. the answer to the 2nd part is = saturn in 8th > or 10th house cannot shift to 9th house having mars because according > to the principle of mushtarka dewar only friends sitting in > neighbouring houses can shift their house to join its friends. saturn > and mars are brabar ke grah but not friends hence no shifting is > allowed. > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > sanya mehra <sanyamehra_80@> > > > > Saturday, 3 November, 2007 2:59:20 PM > > Re: Lal Kitab Discussion Group Re: Mangal/shani diamond > coral > > > > mr kulbir ji > > Does mangal in gemini or virgo also prove benefic alone in 9th if > not aspected by mercury through drishti? > > And what if mars is alone in 9th in rashi chart but some ppl have > saturn in 10th or 8th house and after shifting it gets conjuncted > with mars in 9th house. > > In such a case though its not conjuncting with mars rasi wise but > what if any one rasi out of these planets turns out to be of gemini > or virgo. > > Would it be considered aspected by mercury or only drishti is > considered aspect in lal kitab. > > Yours sincerely > > Sanya > > kulbirbains <kulbirbains@ .co. in> wrote: > > sanya ji, > > mars in 9 th is at its auspicious most. its presence here makes all > > the planets behave in a benfic manner (with exception of budh. > > shani in 9th is also strongest but again afraid of budh. > > mangal+shani conjunction in 9th house again the threat is from > > sambandh of budh. > > i personally feel that for this conjunction neelam is the best. for > > moonga i think lalkitabee will give an exact answer as he has done > a > > considerable research on this subject. > > as far as keeping a red rumal is o.k. but wearing clothes it must > be > > kept into mind as to which house the body part that is covered > > represents. e.g the part from neck to naval represents house no .4 > > kulbir > > , sanya mehra > > <sanyamehra_ 80@> wrote: > > > > > > mr kulbir ji, > > > what about mars shani conjunction in the 9th house. In 9th house > > mars from 28th year gives benefic results. Can one wear red colour > > clothes then..apply lal chandan tilak and wear moonga for rise of > > their luck? > > > yours sincerely > > > sanya > > > > > > kulbirbains <kulbirbains@ ...> wrote: > > > Dear sanya ji, > > > > > > The word lal is used to denote ruby or manaq, coral is > > > referred as moonga. yes gold is good and must be worn because as > > > already stated brahspat's upaya helps keeping rahu and ketu in > > > control in this conjunction. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > kulbirbains > > > > > > , sanya mehra > > > <sanyamehra_ 80@> wrote: > > > > > > > > yes mr kulbir ji > > > > > > > > I have read coral prohibition for mars and saturn conjunction > in > > > 11th house. Lal Kitab prohibits one to wear heera and lal (=coral) > > to > > > stay out of debts. > > > > Would it prohibit for its conjuntion in other houses too? > > > > > > > > Does neelam prove beneficial in the presence of such > > > conjunctions in an horoscope? > > > > > > > > And if ruby is prohibited too for such conjunctions, then in > the > > > case can one wear gold too as gold is also a metal of sun just > > like > > > ruby stone belongs to sun. > > > > > > > > Yours sincerely > > > > Sanya > > > > > > > > kulbirbains <kulbirbains@ > wrote: > > > > sorry sanya ji it was a mistake. actually neelam is > > > recommended for > > > > benefical results its diamond and ruby which are prohibited. i > > > mave > > > > have missed it but if u find coral also prohibited please quote. > > > > kulbir > > > > , " kulbirbains " > > > > <kulbirbains@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sanya ji, > > > > > its diamond and blue sapphire (not coral). yes on the face of > > it > > > > it > > > > > appears that this prohibitionh is for mangal shani > combination > > > > > irrespective of the placement. but i think this gains more > > > > > significance if the combination is in 1st house= pakka ghar > of > > > > > mangal shani deblitated, 3rd & 6th house (lord budh), 8th > > house > > > > > pakka ghar of both mangal & shani,10 th house owner shani & > > > mangal > > > > > exalted,. > > > > > 12 house could be exempt in case of neelam because mangal > here > > > > > controls malefic tendency of rahu. > > > > > pukhraj is reccomended for this combination for benefic > > results > > > of > > > > > both rahu and ketu > > > > > kulbir--- > > > > > In , sanya mehra > > > > > <sanyamehra_ 80@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected astrologers, > > > > > > Based on the discussion made on earlier messages regarding > > > > gems > > > > > I have a doubt that is diamond and coral prohibited for mars > > > > saturn > > > > > conjunction in general irrespective of the house its placed > in > > > or > > > > > this prohibition is subject to only specific houses. > > > > > > Yours sincerely > > > > > > Sanya > > > > > > > > > > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Lalkitabee ji would be able to answer this well > > > because > > > > he > > > > > is > > > > > > well versed in the matters of gems. > > > > > > > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In @. com, " kulbirbains " > > > > > > <kulbirbains@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > continuation of my earlier message- 1.under the > subheading > > > > > mangal > > > > > > > shani it is written neelam rahu utam phal dega, heera jo > > > > mangal > > > > > ka > > > > > > > dushman bimari karza paida karega, suraj sab kuch barbad > > > > karega . > > > > > > > 2.under kundali 28-01-1910 1942 > > > > > > > neele rang (rahu) wali anguthi jab li kyon koi bacha. > > > > > > > kulbir > > > > > > > @. > com, " kulbirbains " > > > > > > > <kulbirbains@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The general perception also shared by scholars like > > bhatia > > > > ji > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > that use of gem stones ESPECIALLY IN RINGS is (almost) > > not > > > in > > > > > > > > accordance with lalkitab upayas. after reading shri > > > > miglani's > > > > > > > querry > > > > > > > > in lalkitab group i searched the books and found that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. 1952 edition page 955 line 4-5 says dhahine hath ki > > > > ANGUTHI > > > > > > mein > > > > > > > > neelam rahu ki zahira aur poshida sharaton se bachaye > > > > rakhegha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. lahsuniya / hauldari is recommended for brahspat > rahu > > > in > > > > > > khanna > > > > > > > no.2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. dhoodh ranga moti for moon, diamond or shell for > > budh, > > > > dull > > > > > red > > > > > > > > coral/moonga for mars, do ranga pathar cat's eye for > > ketu > > > > has > > > > > been > > > > > > > > mentioned. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lalkitab discusses general principles and some empty > > > blanks > > > > are > > > > > > > > required to be filled in by the readers on the > > > understanding > > > > > of> > > > > > Love shopping? 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