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kalsi ji, i am not an expert but just a student, we all gain in the process of interaction. please search the archives. there u will find a kundali of shri babu ram gupta analysed by pt Rup Chand Joshi ji. lalkitabee ji explained the logic of throwing a silver guddi/doll in the samandar. it was followed a detailed reply on samandar being khanna no.9. please go through it then we can move forward.

i couldn't understand what is mentioned in chandra 8 please try to be elaborate.

kalsi ji u are a learned man, ur argument that page 363 is for pani realted to education in terms of watrer doesn't suits u. i think it explains nature of water khanna wise corresponding with education. otherwise the water of khanna war ashiyan could be used in upayas for helping education of various fields. chandra is the is karak of water and education also. the types of water helps in understanding nature of education. this does not mean that water sources are mentioned just to explain education and don't have individual identity.

secondly i am quoing from none other media and not interpreting other lines. i am writing them as it is. for convenience sake i am writing here whatever i could found in lk books about water sources till now in 1941 nad 42 will follow it with more from 52 (some of them are included in the list). please share ur inputs also. then we will have final opinion from varun and tyagi ji. if still we don't reach any conclusion. our pt bhusdhanpriya is always there.

but i am shocked by ur argument that we should not go beyond what is written in khanna no 4. if that was the case. why did pt ji wrote about it at other places. kalsi ji each and every word has a purpose. u can't just pick what suits u and discard what doesn't tow ur line of arguement.

i have written my objections to ur arguments. hope u don't leave it midway. lets reach a conclusion.

 

GUTKA

Khanna no 9

Samandar ghira brahmand bhi ho.

Brahspat Khanna no 4

Brahspat chuthe ghar hua samandar doodh bhara.

Pani ke dariya me seedha tairne wala sher.

Brahspat khanna no 9 mande asra ke waqt dariya nadi me tambe ka paisa ka upayo madagar hoga.

Suraj khanna no.4 samandra ki seep me moti paida karega

Chandra khanna no 2. 24 kadam tak balki makan ke andar hi quan ka sabht hoga ya waqt paidaish chaubare par hoga, jiske neeche quan ka pani zarur hoga. Chandra ki cheezen tah zameen me dabana.-

Brahspat khanna no 4 dhan daulat ka dariya bahta hoga.

Chandra khanna no 4 talab, quan, chashma.

Mangal khanna no4 mangal manglik hoga, jala dewew wah samadra ko.

Chandra khanna no 8 umar ke liye khud samandra w khud samandar.

Shani khanna no. 4Sukh sagar sab lamba ho

Pani ke kinare ya quan wagarh ka saanp…. Quan me doodh girane se chandra ka phal uttam hoga.

Ketu no. 4 kuta quen me ho

Brahspat rahu khanna no 6 rafa-e-aam ya kasht ki zameen ka quan, sab umda asar ko pataal me le jawe.

Brahspat shanichar … dono kohsar aur samandar honge

Rahu Brahspat jaun anaj ke dane doodh me dho kar paas rakhne ke baad har roz dariya me bahate jana 40-43 din Mubarak hoga.

Rahu suraj

Bawaqt suraj graham rahu ki cheezon ko dariya mein bahana Mubarak hoga.

 

1942

Pakka ghar no 4

Char taraf ka pani duniya, doodh samandra dariya hai.

Samundra par ya samandar ka safr.

Pakka ghar no 9

Dariyon me ganga ho to peit mata ka hota hai.(mata ka pet is also included in khanna no 4 explanatory note)

Ghar dooje pe barish karta .Samadra ghira brahmand bhi hai

Brahspat khanna no 9 ghar uske ganga aati hai

Hawa me kishti chakanr ki shakti

Chandra kghanna no 4 talab, kuan, chashma, dharti ke neeche ka paani samandra

Chandra ko safed ghoda mana hai jo vastav me daraiye ya samudri kahlta hai.

Chandra no 6 quan lage mata mare aam logon ke l;iye ho

Chandra khan no 10 tah zameen aam pani par kadwa

Chandra 11 shukkr budh ya papi bhai, chot lage na de daraiye.

1952

brahspat khanna no 9 2,5,9,11 me budh shukkr ya papi grah na ho to ganga dariya

Chandra ka pani

Page 363

 

ghar me rakhe hue bartan ya ghare ka acha pani.

pahad se nikalta hua umda pani.

jangal sahra ya registan ka pani.

chashme ka meetha pani

grahsthiyon ke liye aabadi ke andar dariya ya aabadi kio sanchit karne wala dariya ya nahar

patal ka pani kuan handpump wagarh.

maidan aur kheton ko sinchit karne wale dariyav ya nahar.

aab e hayat warna zahar khalis.

samandra.

pahado ki rukavat se band pada pani.

barsati nalah

aasmani pani ole barf vagarh. Pakhasna gabdi nail ka pani.

Chandra 8 ulti ganga hokar tare

Gandi nail ke pani ki isamat ka malik hoga

Shamshan ke ahate ke andar ka pani apne ghar me rakhna madagar hoga.

Chandra khanna no 9 ketu no 2 budh no 5 ab Chandra ke samandar ka pani sirf itna hoga jo ik kuta ya bhed, bakri peekar khatam kar dewe Kulbir Bains

 

Shivdev Kalsi <shivdev.kalsi Sent: Monday, 5 November, 2007 7:29:17 PMRe: Lal Kitab Discussion Group Water reservoirs/sources / kalsi ji

 

Dear Kulbir Ji,Thanks for the detailed reply. I will keep your suggestions in mind while doing studies.But my opinion is different from yours regarding page 363. I think as per my memory it is reffering about the nature of education in terms of type of water. You are expert and in advance studies, may be knowing better. but in my views regarding Well & samunder why to search for other media or interpret from various lines while it is specifically given in Chander 4 & Chander No. 8. respectively in all the books.Anyhow your ideas are good and will surely give me help in my studiesYoursShiv Dev Kalsi

On 11/5/07, kulbirbains <kulbirbains@ .co. in> wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Kalsi ji, i differ with nirmal ji's views. discussion's main object is to bring concilation to different views. if everyone says that he will decode the book himself and not share,it will account to producing quen ke mendak. when we have experienced and learned people amongst us why not share or doubts. i am writing here what i feel about ur querry about darya smandra etc. others will share their inputs and then we can reach a final conclusion.page no 363 of the lalkitab 1952 edition deals exclusively with water resrvoirs as per corresponding khanna nos. as follows;-khanna no resrvoir1. ghar me rakhe hue bartan ya ghare ka acha pani.2. pahad se nikalta hua umda pani.3. jangal sahra ya registan ka pani.4. chashme ka meetha pani5. grahsthiyon ke liye aabadi ke andar dariya ya aabadi ko sanchit karne wala dariya ya nahar6. patal ka pani kuan handpump wagarh.7. maidan aur kheton ko

sinchit karne wale dariyav ya nahar.8. aab e hayat warna zahar khalis.9. samandra.10. pahado ki rukavat se band pada pani.11. barsati nalah12. aasmani pani oole barf vagarh. Paikhaana gandi nail ka pani.* also chandra khana no 8 has been explained as water from a natural source e.g well handpump etc enclosed in a cemetary.*Chandra khanna no 9 ketu no 2 budh no 5 ab Chandra ke samandar ka pani sirf itna hoga jo ik kuta ya bhed, bakri peekar khatam kar dewe.* Brahspat shanichar … dono kohsar aur samandar honge* Brahspat Khanna no 4=Brahspat chuthe ghar hua samandar doodh bhara.* Brahspat rahu khanna no 6 rafa-e-aam ya kasht ki zameen ka quan* Pakka ghar no 9Dariyon me ganga ho to peit mata ka hota hai.(mata ka pet is also included in khanna no 4 explanatory note)* Brahspat khanna no 9 ghar uske ganga aati hai,2,5,9,11 me budh shukkr ya papi grah na ho to ganga dariya,Chandra ka

pani* Chandra khanna no 4 talab, kuan, chashma, dharti ke neeche ka paani samandraChandra ko safed ghoda mana hai jo vastav me daraiye ya samudri kahlta hai.* Mangal khanna no4 mangal manglik hoga, jala dewew wah samadra ko.* Chandra khanna no 4 talab, quan, chashma.* Suraj khanna no.4 samandra ki seep me moti paida karega* Chandra khanna no 2. 24 kadam tak balki makan ke andar hi quan ka sabht hoga ya waqt paidaish chaubare par hoga, jiske neeche quan ka pani zarur hoga otherwise Chandra ki cheezen tah zameen me dabana is recommended = well=chandra in 6th house is good if not there chandra related items are placed in teh zameen = 6th houseit can be concluded here that samndra is item of khanna no 9. well of khanna no 6. dariya can be either of house no 5 or 7. ganga the pious river has contents of guru and can represent khanna no. 9.these sources find mention at many places but as seen

from the abovewritten it has to be concluded as to in what context they have been mentioned there.generally the upaya of flowing item in a river serves two purposes. 1. the effect of chandra gets combined with the planet whose item is flown also it has cooling effect on planets like rahu.2. it signifies the going far away of the planet as this is the only method which can take that item furthest away from the native.kulbirbains-- Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

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