Guest guest Posted November 9, 2007 Report Share Posted November 9, 2007 Respected Kalsi ji, We had worked out Ascendants both for Indian and Foreign locations through our understanding of the Sarini. I expect you also to work out the ascendants for the same places through your method and come out with the results. You will also have to explain the method and the logic of that method. Just saying that we are wrong will not serve the purpose. You have to take up our calculations step by step and prove them wrong while justifying your method. Therefore first work out the ascendants for the places we have worked the ascendants for, justify your method, and then talk to us. Regards, Varun Trivedi , " Shivdev Kalsi " <shivdev.kalsi wrote: > > Dear Varun Ji, > > > Happy Diwali to All. > > > *I wish these discussions shall not be taken on negative note.* > Bhatia Ji gave a white paper to tell what he knows, whether wrong or > right.he published it and put it in the group.His claim that he get > good results with it, are his personal views. As > far as procedure of astrology, that gentleman has done a mistake. > You, Miglani Ji, Tyagi Ji, LalKitabi Jee & Bhooshan Ji are the mistake > pointers. it was better if you checked each and every word of the sarni > before pointing out the errors.Wording of your replies endorses the views > & understanding of Bhatia ji regarding Sarni. You all including Bhatia ji > stand on a same > platform. The error which Mr Bhatia did, is done by You. If your > method applied to any old and present sarnis of India , then, > Gentlemen, I fear,that > all the sarnis as per your versions are inaccurate and for you > these are also not even worth the paper it is printed on(as you said for > this old sarni). > *Dear Varun, I have objections to your strong wording.*Your action is > amateurish. To hide your incompetency you are taking shelter of Bhatia > Ji's knowledge of Urdu. If you are fully competent then you could not > ask the question why the time difference is given in the > Sarnis and what is the use of that difference. > I dont blame you for this mistake. All the traditional Jyotishi do the > same. I don't want you to be > ever bother about my wording. I was thinking that you all are academicians, > But I am sorry to say that your mails are not projecting my thinking. > Mr. Nirmal has rightly said that I Played a trick. From Miglani's > mail in the group , in which he asked to " how to calculate a ascendant with > sarni for a foreign birth in 50N00, I came to understand that you are all of > the same group from which Mr. Bhatia is and do not know how to use > sarni.That is why I gave the same birth date and time for all the kundlis. > Even then you have not checked the results.You have not applied your method > to any of the teva > calculated on Indian city. As per your methods All the softwares are > also giving wrong results. > > Dear Bhooshan Ji,You appears to be eldest and senior most of your group. > Nobody can fully conversant with the vast sea of this science. > Please > take any kundli of indian birth. Calculate the ascendant from a software. > then apply your method of time conversion for any foreign birth of > same date and time > on that result assuming it as of > sarni. Now check whether your results are same as of computer > software.Youwill find answer. > Dear friends, Though nobody is using that sarni now a days, But Pundit ji > papers has opened this topic and will help many to know what is a Lagan > Sarni and its application for foreign birth. > I wish my this reply will be taken as positive note, I have not put this > post to degrade or defame any. It is an academic discussion so it shall be > taken as an academicians > Yours > Shiv Dev Kalsi > > > > On 11/8/07, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: > > > > Respected Nirmal ji, > > > > If you say that Bhatia ji doesn't understand Urdu, if you deny the > > existence of the page 5 of the Sarini, if you deny the purpose for > > which the tables giving the foreign cities and the time difference > > from India have been included in the sarini, then I have nothing to > > say except that we are not bothered with what you or Mr. Kalsi ji > > have to say. > > > > With Regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > <% 40>, > > NKB <nirbhar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > It appears neither of the persons who gave > > > calculation for foriegn birth as well as Indian Birth read the > > > instruction of sarni. Please read > > > again.I could not find where it is written to use the converted time > > > to find the ascendent. All of you including Bhatia Ji has > > > misunderstood theese instructions > > > which results the all misinformation regarding Sarni. > > > Dear Varun Ji, you are not the new to do this mistake in > > calculation . Most > > > of the astrologers do this wrong method.I think Mr. Kalsi might be > > knowing > > > the use of this erronous practice that is why he had played a great > > trick to > > > give same date and same time for different location, in my views, > > to give a > > > lesson to all those who do this wrong practice. You might not > > perused the > > > results in haste otherwise you may catch that trick. Any how this > > is Mr. > > > Kalsi has to see. For me I have done all the calcullations and > > found that > > > sarni is very near to correct except the birth in southern > > hemisphere which > > > i have to cross check again. These will be submitted to Mr. Kalsi. > > > In fact sarni is not the culprit, it is the persons who donot know > > how to > > > use a sarni. > > > Regarding your misunderstanding that the sarni made in India cannot > > be used > > > in foriegn Birth, you are mistaken. Sarni made with respect to any > > standard > > > Time location can be used all over the world.Your mathemetical > > ability is > > > very good but not at right directions. > > > Let us see what the Mr. Kalsi has to say. > > > Regards > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/7/07, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Nirmal Kumar ji, > > > > > > > > It appears you haven't read the instructions in the Sarini. Read > > the > > > > article of Bhatia ji on calculating the ascendant for foreign > > births > > > > from the files of the Lal Kitab group. You would know how the > > time of > > > > birth has to be worked out. > > > > > > > > Talking about the protocol, then a Sarini calculated at Indian > > > > Longitude and latitude should under no circumstances be used to > > > > calculate an ascendant for foreign births. Therefore we should > > not be > > > > talking about these things. > > > > > > > > We as a group are very well aware of the protocols to be followed > > when > > > > calculating the Ascendants. You might have assessed the > > mathematical > > > > ability of our group which is capable of working out these > > ascendants > > > > within minutes, be it through the Table of ascendants of Lahiri or > > > > through the Lal Kitab sarini. > > > > > > > > Nirmal ji, we are no longer interested in the Sarini. For us it > > is not > > > > even worth the paper it is printed on. I am sorry for having to > > use > > > > these strong words. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > --- In <% 40> > > <% > > 40>, > > > > NKB <nirbhar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Respected Friends, > > > > > I was going through the procedure used by you to calculate > > ascendent > > > > > for foriegn birth as well as indian birth. while > > > > > calculating the foriegn birthascendent, all of you have > > converted the > > > > time > > > > > of foriegn birth to Indian time and then checked the ascendent > > from > > > > sarni. > > > > > It is strange and unconventional protocol. > > > > > I may not be knowing , please guide me that under which > > principle of > > > > > astrology you have coverted the time to Indian time for > > calculation of > > > > > ascendent. As far as I remember there is no such principle in > > > > > astrology. > > > > > Regards > > > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi, > Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS) > Consultant (Vedic Astrology) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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