Guest guest Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 Respected Varun Ji,Thanks a lot.It means the house where Sun+Mer is posited can still have the effects ofMangal(Nek), while another house can have effects of Mangal (Bud),simultaneously, depending on the Nishaniya.So, that's why Mars(Nek), Mars(Bud) can be considered 2 different planets.Sir, one more thing can you suggest any good software available in themarket on LK, which can help in understanding and learning.Thanks & Regards,Pradeep Mishra.varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: Respected Mishra ji, You mean Sun + Merc together placed in a horoscope with Mars in the 4th? In that case first the 'nishaniya' indications will decide whether the Mars is malefic or benefic. Secondly, whether the mars is getting any help through aspect or association from friendly planets like jupiter, moon or sun. One should not assume that the Mars in the 4th will be benefic simply because the Sun + Merc exist together some where else in the horoscope. Even otherwise the sun+merc combination should be interpreted as to behave like a benefic mars for the house they are placed in. This would be over and above the normal results of the sun and mercury in that house. Existence of sun and merc together has nothing to do with the placement of mars. The masnuyee results of this combination will be for the house they are placed in. With regards, Varun Trivedi , pradeep mishra <pm_pmishra wrote: > > Respected Kulbir Ji, > > Thanks for your reply. > The confusion is that when in a horoscope > Sun+Mars = Masnoi Mangal Nek exists and at the same time > say either Mars is in 4th House. > Can we understand that Mars is Bud in this scenario. > > Thanks for your kind words....nothing hurts us. > > > There is no question of Bhoomika or anything,the intention of my writing was that > 1. I was not sure that the question i was asking was right or wrong > 2. My question should not convey that I disbelieve in LK. > I was afraid of it. > > > Thanks, > With Regards, > Pradeep Mishra. > > kulbirbains <kulbirbains wrote: > Mishra ji, > Answer no.1 1942 says "kamdev ki zyada rangat dono ka phal manda karegi���. Akela shukkr aur brahspati brabar keg rah hain. Brahspati to kissi se dushmani nahin karta, magr shukkr ki kaani aurat�. Brahspat ke zard rang sone ya sher se prarthna karti hai aur insaan ke raste me ishq ki rukawat paida kar deti hai. > Venus comprises of 2 masnoi rahu and ketu, rahu= bure khayal and ketu = kaam. this is the cause of harming jupiter. so its venus that proves harmful and enmical to jupiter. > for ur information budh is also enemy of jupiter but ur question dosen't relates to that. > Answer no.2 Rahu is controlled by mangal nek so friendly alliance, mangal bad destroys ketu, where is the confusion. > Answer no.3. Every haouse has a list of indications for mangal nek and bad. check which applies to the conditions of the natives life. > Bhai sahib seedhe swaal pocho lambi chauri bhoomika na baandha karo. discussion group hai, nothing bothers or hurts us. > kulbir bains. > > , pradeep mishra <pm_pmishra@> wrote: > > > > Respected sir, > > > > I am beginner in Lk and impressed by its approach & remedial measures. > > I hope you w'nt mind, if my questions are very basic and can be stupid > > sometimes, because of my inexperience but if something bothers or hurts to someone, > > I feel sorry in advance because it is unintentional on my part. > > > > I understand that It's a group of highly knowledgeable and scholar people. > > > > My question is as follows:- > > > > All excerpts are from Arun Samhita-Lal Kitab (Hare Krishna Trust, Chandigarh) > > > > 1. Dushman Party > > Shukr ka dushman Jupiter... (Page 7) > > 2. ...Tamam duniya yani Lok-Parlok, Gabi Duniya ke tumam Graho ki mushtarqa > > taquat ka maalik hai. > > ESSI SIFT PER JUPITER KISI SE DUSHMANI NAHI KARTA.(Contradictory > > to 1 above) > > (Page 8) > > > > Under what circumstances suhkr ka dushman jupiter hota hai. > > > > Q2) > > > > a) Dushman Party > > Ketu ka dushman Mangal(Bud) > > b) Mitr Party > > Mangal(Nek) ka Mitr Rahu. > > > > Q) If Sun and Mer are in conjunction in a horoscope and at the same time > > Either Mars is in 4 House i.e Mangal Bud or due to other conditions mentioned > > in LK for Mangal Bud > > Mars is turning into Mangal Bud. > > What should be the final outcome when both conditions are becoming true > > simultaneously. > > Can be conclude, that the final result is Mangal Bud. > > If yes, then under what circumstances Mars can be treated as Mangal Nek > > particularly when Sun and Mer are in conjunction in a Horoscope. > > > > With Regards, > > Pradeep Mishra. > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > Pradeep Mishra. > > > > > > > > Be a better sports nut! 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Guest guest Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 Respected Mishra ji, Yes to your point one. I am not aware of any software which could help you learn the Lal Kitab system. Even otherwise we do not use a software. We believe that things done manually give the exercise a very personal touch. Any thing done manually carries our 'bhavana' and feelings much more than an impersonal approach of a software. Jyotish is more a matter of bhavana and intuition than a mechanical process. Regards, Varun Trivedi , pradeep mishra <pm_pmishra wrote: > > Respected Varun Ji, > > Thanks a lot. > It means the house where Sun+Mer is posited can still have the effects of > Mangal(Nek), while another house can have effects of Mangal (Bud), > simultaneously, depending on the Nishaniya. > So, that's why Mars(Nek), Mars(Bud) can be considered 2 different planets. > > Sir, one more thing can you suggest any good software available in the > market on LK, which can help in understanding and learning. > > Thanks & Regards, > Pradeep Mishra. > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: Respected Mishra ji, > > You mean Sun + Merc together placed in a horoscope with Mars in the > 4th? > > In that case first the 'nishaniya' indications will decide whether > the Mars is malefic or benefic. Secondly, whether the mars is getting > any help through aspect or association from friendly planets like > jupiter, moon or sun. > > One should not assume that the Mars in the 4th will be benefic simply > because the Sun + Merc exist together some where else in the horoscope. > > Even otherwise the sun+merc combination should be interpreted as to > behave like a benefic mars for the house they are placed in. This > would be over and above the normal results of the sun and mercury in > that house. > > Existence of sun and merc together has nothing to do with the > placement of mars. The masnuyee results of this combination will be > for the house they are placed in. > > With regards, > > Varun Trivedi > > , pradeep mishra > <pm_pmishra@> wrote: > > > > Respected Kulbir Ji, > > > > Thanks for your reply. > > The confusion is that when in a horoscope > > Sun+Mars = Masnoi Mangal Nek exists and at the same time > > say either Mars is in 4th House. > > Can we understand that Mars is Bud in this scenario. > > > > Thanks for your kind words....nothing hurts us. > > > > > > There is no question of Bhoomika or anything,the intention of my > writing was that > > 1. I was not sure that the question i was asking was right or wrong > > 2. My question should not convey that I disbelieve in LK. > > I was afraid of it. > > > > > > Thanks, > > With Regards, > > Pradeep Mishra. > > > > kulbirbains <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > Mishra ji, > > Answer no.1 1942 says " kamdev ki zyada rangat dono ka phal manda > karegi���. Akela shukkr aur brahspati brabar keg rah hain. Brahspati > to kissi se dushmani nahin karta, magr shukkr ki kaani aurat�. > Brahspat ke zard rang sone ya sher se prarthna karti hai aur insaan > ke raste me ishq ki rukawat paida kar deti hai. > > Venus comprises of 2 masnoi rahu and ketu, rahu= bure khayal and > ketu = kaam. this is the cause of harming jupiter. so its venus that > proves harmful and enmical to jupiter. > > for ur information budh is also enemy of jupiter but ur question > dosen't relates to that. > > Answer no.2 Rahu is controlled by mangal nek so friendly alliance, > mangal bad destroys ketu, where is the confusion. > > Answer no.3. Every haouse has a list of indications for mangal nek > and bad. check which applies to the conditions of the natives life. > > Bhai sahib seedhe swaal pocho lambi chauri bhoomika na baandha > karo. discussion group hai, nothing bothers or hurts us. > > kulbir bains. > > > > , pradeep mishra > <pm_pmishra@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected sir, > > > > > > I am beginner in Lk and impressed by its approach & remedial > measures. > > > I hope you w'nt mind, if my questions are very basic and can be > stupid > > > sometimes, because of my inexperience but if something bothers or > hurts to someone, > > > I feel sorry in advance because it is unintentional on my part. > > > > > > I understand that It's a group of highly knowledgeable and > scholar people. > > > > > > My question is as follows:- > > > > > > All excerpts are from Arun Samhita-Lal Kitab (Hare Krishna Trust, > Chandigarh) > > > > > > 1. Dushman Party > > > Shukr ka dushman Jupiter... (Page 7) > > > 2. ...Tamam duniya yani Lok-Parlok, Gabi Duniya ke tumam Graho ki > mushtarqa > > > taquat ka maalik hai. > > > ESSI SIFT PER JUPITER KISI SE DUSHMANI NAHI KARTA. (Contradictory > > > to 1 above) > > > (Page 8) > > > > > > Under what circumstances suhkr ka dushman jupiter hota hai. > > > > > > Q2) > > > > > > a) Dushman Party > > > Ketu ka dushman Mangal(Bud) > > > b) Mitr Party > > > Mangal(Nek) ka Mitr Rahu. > > > > > > Q) If Sun and Mer are in conjunction in a horoscope and at the > same time > > > Either Mars is in 4 House i.e Mangal Bud or due to other > conditions mentioned > > > in LK for Mangal Bud > > > Mars is turning into Mangal Bud. > > > What should be the final outcome when both conditions are > becoming true > > > simultaneously. > > > Can be conclude, that the final result is Mangal Bud. > > > If yes, then under what circumstances Mars can be treated as > Mangal Nek > > > particularly when Sun and Mer are in conjunction in a Horoscope. > > > > > > With Regards, > > > Pradeep Mishra. > > > > > > > > > With Regards, > > > > > > Pradeep Mishra. > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with > Mobile. Try it now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Mail. > See how. > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2007 Report Share Posted November 28, 2007 Excellent explanation bhai jaan, page 87 of the book lal-diary by pt. beni madhav goswami, published by sagar publications has the title (in bold) SHUKKR- KHANNA NO.11 (MASNOI = SURYA + BUDH), i couldn't find in translated books with me. is it from some original urdu book or some innovation of goswami ji.? kulbirbains , "varun_trvd" <varun_trvd wrote:>> Respected Mishra ji,> > You mean Sun + Merc together placed in a horoscope with Mars in the> 4th?> > In that case first the 'nishaniya' indications will decide whether> the Mars is malefic or benefic. Secondly, whether the mars is getting> any help through aspect or association from friendly planets like> jupiter, moon or sun.> > One should not assume that the Mars in the 4th will be benefic simply> because the Sun + Merc exist together some where else in the horoscope.> > Even otherwise the sun+merc combination should be interpreted as to> behave like a benefic mars for the house they are placed in. This> would be over and above the normal results of the sun and mercury in> that house.> > Existence of sun and merc together has nothing to do with the> placement of mars. The masnuyee results of this combination will be> for the house they are placed in.> > With regards,> > Varun Trivedi> > > > > > > > > , pradeep mishra> pm_pmishra@ wrote:> >> > Respected Kulbir Ji,> >> > Thanks for your reply.> > The confusion is that when in a horoscope> > Sun+Mars = Masnoi Mangal Nek exists and at the same time> > say either Mars is in 4th House.> > Can we understand that Mars is Bud in this scenario.> >> > Thanks for your kind words....nothing hurts us.> >> >> > There is no question of Bhoomika or anything,the intention of my> writing was that> > 1. I was not sure that the question i was asking was right or wrong> > 2. My question should not convey that I disbelieve in LK.> > I was afraid of it.> >> >> > Thanks,> > With Regards,> > Pradeep Mishra.> >> > kulbirbains kulbirbains@ wrote:> > Mishra ji,> > Answer no.1 1942 says "kamdev ki zyada rangat dono ka phal manda> karegi���. Akela shukkr aur brahspati brabar keg rah hain. Brahspati> to kissi se dushmani nahin karta, magr shukkr ki kaani aurat�.> Brahspat ke zard rang sone ya sher se prarthna karti hai aur insaan> ke raste me ishq ki rukawat paida kar deti hai.> > Venus comprises of 2 masnoi rahu and ketu, rahu= bure khayal and> ketu = kaam. this is the cause of harming jupiter. so its venus that> proves harmful and enmical to jupiter.> > for ur information budh is also enemy of jupiter but ur question> dosen't relates to that.> > Answer no.2 Rahu is controlled by mangal nek so friendly alliance,> mangal bad destroys ketu, where is the confusion.> > Answer no.3. Every haouse has a list of indications for mangal nek> and bad. check which applies to the conditions of the natives life.> > Bhai sahib seedhe swaal pocho lambi chauri bhoomika na baandha> karo. discussion group hai, nothing bothers or hurts us.> > kulbir bains.> >> > , pradeep mishra> <pm_pmishra@> wrote:> > >> > > Respected sir,> > >> > > I am beginner in Lk and impressed by its approach & remedial> measures.> > > I hope you w'nt mind, if my questions are very basic and can be> stupid> > > sometimes, because of my inexperience but if something bothers or> hurts to someone,> > > I feel sorry in advance because it is unintentional on my part.> > >> > > I understand that It's a group of highly knowledgeable and> scholar people.> > >> > > My question is as follows:-> > >> > > All excerpts are from Arun Samhita-Lal Kitab (Hare Krishna Trust,> Chandigarh)> > >> > > 1. Dushman Party> > > Shukr ka dushman Jupiter... (Page 7)> > > 2. ...Tamam duniya yani Lok-Parlok, Gabi Duniya ke tumam Graho ki> mushtarqa> > > taquat ka maalik hai.> > > ESSI SIFT PER JUPITER KISI SE DUSHMANI NAHI KARTA.(Contradictory> > > to 1 above)> > > (Page 8)> > >> > > Under what circumstances suhkr ka dushman jupiter hota hai.> > >> > > Q2)> > >> > > a) Dushman Party> > > Ketu ka dushman Mangal(Bud)> > > b) Mitr Party> > > Mangal(Nek) ka Mitr Rahu.> > >> > > Q) If Sun and Mer are in conjunction in a horoscope and at the> same time> > > Either Mars is in 4 House i.e Mangal Bud or due to other> conditions mentioned> > > in LK for Mangal Bud> > > Mars is turning into Mangal Bud.> > > What should be the final outcome when both conditions are> becoming true> > > simultaneously.> > > Can be conclude, that the final result is Mangal Bud.> > > If yes, then under what circumstances Mars can be treated as> Mangal Nek> > > particularly when Sun and Mer are in conjunction in a Horoscope.> > >> > > With Regards,> > > Pradeep Mishra.> > >> > >> > > With Regards,> > >> > > Pradeep Mishra.> > >> > >> > > > > > Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with > Mobile. Try it now.> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Mail.> See how.> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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