Guest guest Posted December 15, 2007 Report Share Posted December 15, 2007 Respected Varunji, I have gone through many analysis made by you through lal-kitab , and they are really impressive and logical. I have huge respect and regards for you. I think Gogar or Dung should be the karak of Saturn. In traditional astrology any type of 'secrete' of the body is related to Saturn. Here basically Gobar is termed as the secrete of cow , cow is consider holy in Hindus. It is used as purifying agent in floor or wall ( mixed with mud in huts in early days to abstain from disease) , again the karak of saturn. I think the chemistry of 'Mansui theory (artifical planet) of lal-kitab' will not work here as you have explained. Since my knowledge of lal-kitab is very poor so i may be wrong, my intuition decline's to relate 'Gobar' with jupiter as even in LK jupiter cannot be karak of 8th house matters, it is only saturn. We can say that here Gobar will behave as ketu temperament (mansui effect ketu swabhav ju+sukrs, not rahu swabhav mars + mer )though the object (Gobar) is of Saturn. There is the saying '' Dimag me gobar bhara hai kya'' / (is there is dung in the head?). I think it applies if malefic \afflicted saturn is in first house \fifth house with no beneficiary aspects and person's education is always poor. Thanks and regards Best Wishes, Vijay Goel Jaipur , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > Respected Raheja ji, > > > An interesting query. My answer is based on deductive logic and may > not be entirely true. > > In the Lal Kitab it has not been mentioned any where as to which > planet would be a karak of gobar [ dung ]. However through deductive > logic we can try to find an answer to it. > > For Venus in the 8th house Pandit ji says that gobar + dahi [ > yoghurt ] together form a scorpion. > > In this formation we know that yoghurt is a karak object of Venus and > a scorpion is a karak object of Saturn. Now we have to find out about > gobar. > > Saturn = Venus + gobar > > Also: > > Saturn = Venus + Jupiter > > Therefore gobar = jupiter > > Hence I believe that gobar will be a karak object of Jupiter. > > May be some other expert might come up with a better solution. > > With regards, > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > , " girish_raheja " > <girish_raheja@> wrote: > > > > Respected Gurujan, > > > > In one of the remedies upale of gobar have been mentioned. Just out > of > > curiosity I wanted to know which planet will be a karak of gobar. > > > > Faithfully, > > > > Girish > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2007 Report Share Posted December 15, 2007 Respected Varun ji, Yeah, Gobar(cow dung) karak is saturn but acts like ketu when used ,highly auspicous and used in religious activities atleast in Hindus other than cooking etc. ketu ==fire(heat) + moksha(spiritual). now how dahi+gobar=scorpion ? Milk is moon -- it denotes that pure love is mother's love.(milk only comes from mother's heart) Now when Milk is fermented with 'desire' it becomes 'Curd' So curd = venus = wife :love out of desire, desire to continue lineage to the least. Now Gobar = saturn is excreta, excreta of 'anything' is poison or hate. The thing that cannot be sustain by any system. Say example Sins in vedic culture. Now curd + gobar = scorpion. When desire can mixed with hate or sins it produces 'scorpion' Scorpion = extremist or ketu = terrorists. So scorpions is Ketu Swabhav ' = Mansui of saturn. I can say that 'Gobar\(cow dung only)' is positive ketu and scorpion is negative ketu both are the Karak of Saturn. This may be the logic, Regards, Best Wishes, Vijay Goel Jaipur , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > Respected Goel ji, > > Thanks for your comments. > > Even my intuition did not accept gobar as a karak of Jupiter, and > that is why I said that it may not be true. I also have a Hindu > mental block to relate an excreta of an animal to Jupiter. > > But how can this statement of Pundit ji be explained or analysed > where he says that dahi [ curds ] along with gobar forms Saturn [ > scorpion ]. > > Yes the Saturn thus formed is Ketu swabhav, and therefore it may not > be treated abominable simply because it is an excreta of an animal. > > Let us hear other experts too. > > With great regards, > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > , " Vijay Goel " > <goyalvj@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Varunji, > > > > I have gone through many analysis made by you through lal-kitab , > and > > they are really impressive and logical. I have huge respect and > > regards for you. > > > > I think Gogar or Dung should be the karak of Saturn. In traditional > > astrology any type of 'secrete' of the body is related to Saturn. > > > > Here basically Gobar is termed as the secrete of cow , cow is > consider > > holy in Hindus. It is used as purifying agent in floor or wall ( > mixed > > with mud in huts in early days to abstain from disease) , again the > > karak of saturn. > > > > I think the chemistry of 'Mansui theory (artifical planet) of > > lal-kitab' will not work here as you have explained. > > > > Since my knowledge of lal-kitab is very poor so i may be wrong, my > > intuition decline's to relate 'Gobar' with jupiter as even in LK > > jupiter cannot be karak of 8th house matters, it is only saturn. > > > > We can say that here Gobar will behave as ketu temperament (mansui > > effect ketu swabhav ju+sukrs, not rahu swabhav mars + mer )though > the > > object (Gobar) is of Saturn. > > > > There is the saying '' Dimag me gobar bhara hai kya'' / (is there is > > dung in the head?). I think it applies if malefic \afflicted saturn > is > > in first house \fifth house with no beneficiary aspects and person's > > education is always poor. > > > > Thanks and regards > > Best Wishes, > > Vijay Goel > > Jaipur > > > > , " varun_trvd " > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Raheja ji, > > > > > > > > > An interesting query. My answer is based on deductive logic and > may > > > not be entirely true. > > > > > > In the Lal Kitab it has not been mentioned any where as to which > > > planet would be a karak of gobar [ dung ]. However through > deductive > > > logic we can try to find an answer to it. > > > > > > For Venus in the 8th house Pandit ji says that gobar + dahi [ > > > yoghurt ] together form a scorpion. > > > > > > In this formation we know that yoghurt is a karak object of Venus > and > > > a scorpion is a karak object of Saturn. Now we have to find out > about > > > gobar. > > > > > > Saturn = Venus + gobar > > > > > > Also: > > > > > > Saturn = Venus + Jupiter > > > > > > Therefore gobar = jupiter > > > > > > Hence I believe that gobar will be a karak object of Jupiter. > > > > > > May be some other expert might come up with a better solution. > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " girish_raheja " > > > <girish_raheja@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Gurujan, > > > > > > > > In one of the remedies upale of gobar have been mentioned. Just > out > > > of > > > > curiosity I wanted to know which planet will be a karak of > gobar. > > > > > > > > Faithfully, > > > > > > > > Girish > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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