Dalda books vs Desi Ghee books/ lalkitabee ji

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Biklul sahi farmaya guruji;

dushmani karo to jam kar karo;

par itna khayal rahe ki jab dost bane to sharminda na hon.

aapko maloom hi hai ki main gutke ke baare shikayat kar raha tha to kis mahanubhav ne mujh par kaun sa ilzaam laga diya tha.

samay samay ki baat hai; jin logon ke man me inhone zahar ghola tha wah aaj bhi mere param mitr hain. apni shan-o-shauqat kayam hai; aur wah hazarat munh dikhane ke kabil nahin rahe.

aapko yaad hai na kis had tak girri hui harkat thi; thakur ji ko milenge to proof ke saath bataeinge. kya aapko yaad hai.

kulbirbance

On 3/19/08, lalkitabee <lalkitabee wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bhai Thakur JiApki poori mail ek khobsoorat jazbey se bhari huyee hai.Lekin bhai Bina kaaran ke is duniyaan main koyee bhi kaarya nahi ho saktaa.Aaj is group main hum jo Prabhakar ji ke gutkey ki galatiyaan nikaal rahey hain uskaa bhi karan hai. Aaj jo bhi insaan lalkitab ke gyaan se judaa hua hai vah unhee Hindi ki lalkitab ka nateezaa hai jinhain DALDA books kahaa gayaa aur apnee hee ek pustak ko bechney kee publicity shuru kee gayee. Hamain book likhne ki is baat se na to kabhi aitraaz tha na hee hogaa, jo mehnat karegaa agar veh usse 4 paise kamaanaa chahtaa hai to koyee buraayee nahi hai.Lekin jis tarikey se doosrey logon ke gyaan ko inhone DALDAA LALKITAB KA GYAAN kahaa aur unke discussion ko darkinaar kartey huve unhain khud kee baat aur URDU ka jazbaa ooper rakhtey huve lalkitab ko apni JAAGEER ki tarah logon se parichit karvaayaa ,kyaa yah theek tha ? Gyaan bhi kabhi kisi insaan ya kisi soobey ki jaageer hua hai ?

Mere bhai hamaari nazar main to lalkitab par jisney bhi jo bhi kaam kiyaa vah kabil-a-Taareef hai,kyonki lalkitab se mutallik gyaan 100 feesdi nahi to 70 ya 80% unmain bhi hai , Is aadhaar par kisi ke poorey prayaas ko hee bemaani bol denaa aur unhain padhne walon ke gyaan ko bekaar saabit karne ke liye Urdu ki kavaayad kartey huve ASAL LALKITAB kee ibaarton main oopar neechey ya left right ghumaana kahaan tak munasib tha ? rahi baat khaamiyon ki to unhain door kiyaa ja sakta tha aur sath hee apni pustak ka vimochan bhi kiyaa ja saktaa thaa, Yahee Prabhakar Ji aur Nirmal ji they jo ki " MASLAN " aur " JAISE " words ko lekar babaal khadaa kartey they aur doosron kee mehnat ko DALDA BOOKS ka gyan samajhtey they . Arrey Thakur Ji agar ye log itney sachchey hitaishi they to jis tarah se aaj hum inke gutke main galatiyaan nikaal rahey hain ,kyaa yah log apni urdu ki jaankaari ke binaa par doosrey scholars ki galatiyaan door nahi kar saktey they ? Agar aisa kartey to kyaa buraayee thee ?

Arre aisa koyee bhi insaan nahi hai jo ki 16 kalaa sampooran ho,hum sabhi ek doosrey ki bajoo thaam kar kuchh karne ke jazbey se ikatthey huve they, kisi ke badey chhotey ya asali naqli gyaan ka koyee sawaal hee nahi thaa, sawaal to sirf ORIGINAL LALKITAB ke gyaan se roo-ba-roo karne karwaane ka tha.

Arre bhai Thakur! Prabhakar Ji ka urdu ki original books free available karvaana vaastav main ek bahut badaa kadam tha, lekin usse bhi badaa kadam yah tha ki in pustakon ke DEEP VISION ko samjhaana. Kisi ke paas agar original books hon aur use urdu ka gyaan ho to vah gyaan ke maamley main aur vidvaano se ya scholars se khud ko UMDAA samajhne lagey to kya theek hoga ? aur chalo samajhne bhi lagey lekin kam se kam doosrey logon kee baat ko dhyaan se suney to sahi. Kyonki GADHEY ke sir par Quaraan-Shareef rakh dene se gadhaa Maulaana thodey hee ban jayegaa.

Hum sabhi ek doosrey par aashrit they ,aaj kuchh logon ne jo Urdu seekhne main sir khapaaayee kee agar vah inki madad se lalkitab kee gehraaeeyon main utarne main kee hoti to shayd nazaaraa hee kuchh aur hotaa.

Lekin aisa nahi hua, aur to aur Nirmal Ji ne Varun ji ko to apney group se bahar hee kar diyaa ,ek tareekey se dhutkaar diyaa aur Kulbir Ji kee vaajib mails ko bhi approve nahi kiya kyonki uNke sawaalaat hee aise they ki unkaa jawaab denaa apne aap main khud ko ek sawaal banaa detaa. Uske sawaalon ka jawaab dene ke liye Vastavik roop main Lalkitab main dubkee lagaani padtee jisse kuchh logon ke aham ko chot pahunchati.

Aaj vahi Nirmal Ji Varun jee ke aur Kulbir Ji ke kaam ko dekhtey huve unke group main Prabhakar ji ke transliterated GUTKEY kee mistakes ko door karne ke liye mail bhej rahey hain is group main. Aaj yah kaam ve khud kyon nahee kartey? Main jaantaa hoon ki yah kaam itnaa saral nahi, ismain sammilit prayaas jarori hai.Lekin yah baat in logon ki samajh main bhi aani chahiye thee ki nahi ? agar unkey paas aaj samay nahi hai to aise hee aur logon kee bhi majbooriyaan rahee hongi. Koyee kisi tarikey se to koyee kisi tarikey se lalkitab ke gyaan ko aagey badhaane main lagaa hua tha, ismain khud ko URDU WALI LALKITAB KA GURU aur MILE STONE sabit karne ki kavaayad kyon aayee? Kyon DALDA DALDA ka dhindhoraa peeta gayaa. Gyaan to Gyaan hai ,sir chadh kar bolegaa, uske liye mutual admiration kee jaroorat nahi hoti.Aur is duniyaan main naa jaane kitne log sahee hai na jaane kitne log galat, sabhi ka thekaa lenaa kyaa jaroori hai, hum log lalkitab par kaam kar rahey hain ,hamain usi ke daayrey ki baat karni chahiye, kabhi kabhi discussion naram garam ho jaatey hain, lekin hamain kaun sa yahaan jaageer ka bantwaaraa karnaa hai. Isliye jab jago tabhi saveraa. Ab bhi kyaa bigadaa hai. Kuchh nahi bigadaa. Kyonki:--

ROOTHEY SUJAN MANAAIYE , CHAHEY ROOTHAIN SAU SAU BAAR.MOTI PHIR PHIR POHIYE , JO TOOTAIN MUKTA HAAR .

Akhir main ek guzarish apne thakur ji se:- " THAKUR " TERE HAATH MAIN SAREY JAG KI DORAPNE GHAR TO SAANJH HUYI ,AB TU JAANE KAB BHOR.CHHUP CHHUP KAR TU SABSE THAKUR, DEKHEY SAB SANSAARASLI MAZAA IS JAG KA CHAHEY, LE KHULKAR AVTAAR.

Baaki thakur jiAb aap khud hee tai kar lain ki kaun kitnaa sahee ar kitnaa galat.With RegardsPt.Lalkitabee

V.Shukla , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote:

>> Respected Thakur Saheb,> > I did not want to join this string of `Dalda books Vs Desi ghee > books'. Since you have mentioned my name also in your message I am > responding; although this has been a very painful, agonizing and

> humiliating chapter in my Lal Kitab journey. > > You must have noticed that I have utmost respect for every one who > participates in the group; I never lose my cool; I encourage every > one and appreciate every contribution made in the group. I consider

> every one as my Guru; I could sit at the feet and learn from.> > Now talking about the humiliation, a journey which is very painful > even to recall. > > All of us were the members of the Astrostudents group with the

> intention that we all collectively will start our journey to find > the spirit of the Lal Kitab. We had access to only Hindi books which > we held in high esteem because it was through those books we were

> introduced to the Lal Kitab. Had those books not been there we would > never have been associated with the Lal Kitab. Therefore we had > nothing except the Hindi books to quote from. That was the primeval

> sin we had committed. > > We were jeered at, ridiculed, humiliated and made to feel a pariah > and unwanted, simply because we did not have the `Desi Ghee books' > and we had only the Dalda books. Once quoting from a Hindi book I

> wrote the word `jaise' for `maslan' and if you read the reaction to > that word from the archives of the Astrostudents group for the month > of March 2007 you will know for your self what I am trying to

> convey. The every day humiliation got so unbearable that I was left > with no option but to quit the group and start my own group. And the > results are for all to see. > > Therefore now if any one of us mentions this word ` Dalda books or

> Desi ghee books', it is not out of jealousy as you seem to think, it > is out of pain and agony and fire of having been humiliated that > burns within. All those who jeered at the Dalda books then if are

> reminded of it now, it is poetic justice.> > Now coming to your question as why didn't any one of us talk about > Arun sanhita or others who had brought out the Hindi books? > > The answer is simple because none of them ever claimed that they

> are ` Desi Ghee'; none of them ever sat at the pedestal and looked > down upon us and made us feel small, redundant and out-castes; none > of them ever preached from the pulpit making us feel ignorant

> rustics; none of them ever claimed as the Gurus and the sole > custodian of the lal Kitab. That is why we never raised questions at > their efforts. They had done the path-breaking job, toiled and paved

> the road for us to walk on. I personally hold them in very high > esteem even today.> > Therefore now and then it becomes necessary to show the mirror, and > it shouldn't hurt them who have had all the fun at our cost.

> > With regards,> > Varun Trivedi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Iqbal Chand Thakur "

> thakur.iqbalchand@ wrote:> >> > Varun Bhai , Vipin Bhai,Prabhakar Ji aur Nirmal Ji> > > > > > Hum sab Lalkitab key vshay per charcha kar rahein hain . Galti > bataana is

> > ilam mein bahut hee gunkaari cheez kahi gayi haiper shishta chaar > kaa> > bhoolna bahut bada zurm kaha gaya hai. Shukla jee nay theek kaha > Hum insaan> > hai, Kaam kaarengay to galti hogi. Is mein shaq nahin. Lekin Mein

> to sirf> > lehzay kee bat kar rahaa hoon.> > Zara Guar Farmaayen> > " ASLI GHEE ME IK AUR MAKKHI " > > Mein vaisaey hindi kee lal kitabein kam padhta hoon. Haan khreed

> jaroor leta> > hoon. Mainay ye Prabhakar wala> > Gutka kharida aur dekha hai. Aur mein hindi kee doosri kitabon sey > vee waaqaf> > hoon.> > Mere hisaab se to prabhakar wala gutka sabse ooper hai balki mere

> apna> > ehsaas yeh hai kee is kitab ko chhookar joo shaanti mili vo aajtak > kisi> > kitab mein nahin mili.> > Yey daldey waala chakker bee puranee mail padh ker samajh aa gaya

> hai.> > Aap sabhi lalkitab ke waaqif hain. In mail ko padh ker ye samajh > aa raha hai> > kee Koyi bahut badi irshaa ranjish Jalan (Jo Budh paida karta > hai) is key> > peechey kaam kar rahi hai.

> > Sab se bade Afsos kee baat to yeh hai balqi mujhey dar hai> > kee aap logon kee yeh koshish shayad aagaey aanaey waali kitabon ko> > sada ke liye tah zameen mein daba deigee. Is> > tarhan key Jumley dekh karkoyi bhee is baat kee koshish naa karega

> kee> > Kitaab chhapi jaaye.> > Aur Ho sakta hai kee is taraha kee batein isi liye hee kee jaa > rahi hon.> > Vipin Bhai jahaan taq mein samajhta hoon Aap is line mein bees> > saal se jyaada hain aur varun bhee lagta hai 10 12 saal se to hoga

> > hee. ab mein aap se ye sawaal poochtaa hoon kee kyaa aapney aaj taq> > 1. Arun sanhita waaley se koyi is taraha kee sawaal kiye hain. Jab > kee usmey> > to asli cheej hee bahut kam hai.

> > 2. Kya is sey pehley Yehi sawaal Aapney> > Vashishth jee se ye sawal poocha hai kee bhai usney kyoon galtiyaan> > kee hain is kitab mein.> > Jahan taq mujhey lagta hai inhin kitabbon ko dalda kee upaadhi dee

> hai kuch> > logon ney.> > is vishay per Abb taq kee charcha yehi ishara karti hai kee> > " Dalda khaaney waalon koo desi ghee hazam nahin hota " > > baaqi Prabhakar ji aur Nirmal ki se guzarish hai kee veh bhee

> Galtiyon> > Bataney waalon ko galat naa samjhey. Ye sabhi lalkitab ke sewa kar > rahey> > hain.> > > > > > Aapka> > > > > > > > Iqbal Chand Thakur

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/18/08, lalkitabee lalkitabee@ wrote:> > >> > > Thakur Ji

> > > Plz Read my previous massage carefully. I addressed to Prabhakar > Ji & > > > Nirmal Ji> > > in prev. mail, specially for last clarification.Im asking > directly

> > > from writer & proof reader.But both of them neither correcting> > > mistake of us (If we are wrong) nor saying > about " chaaton/choton .> > > Where am I wrong ?

> > > Thakur Ji,Agar hum padhey likhey aur suljhey dimaagh waley hain > to> > > MOODHMATI (Moorkh) aap bhi nahi hain. Aap ko khud hee pataa honaa> > > chahiye ke is kitab kee bikree badhne se kise fayda hoga aur kise

> > > nuksaan? aur usi ke mutalliq shaks ko address karnaa chahiye.> > > Rahee baat hamaari kundali ya varshfal ki, to mere bhai hamaari> > > kundali main 9 grah ba-haisiyat munasib jagah hain. Kyon aap

> usmain> > > 10th planet ki tarah sthapit honaa chahtey ho? Discussion main > aap> > > rachnaatmak sehyog devain aur writers & proof reader ko bhi> > > protsahit karain. Galati kisse nahi hoti aur galati sveekar kar

> lene> > > walaa kabhi bhi chhotaa nahi hotaa ,na hee uski vishvasneeyata> > > (CREDEBILITY) kam hoti hai. Rahee baat kitaab likhne ki , samay > aane> > > par likhi bhi jayegi aur agar humse koyee galatee huyee to use

> > > sweekar bhi karengey. Kam se kam lalkitab ke gyaan ko apni > chuppi se> > > gumraah nahi karengey.> > > U understand, bcoz i saw a passion & > > > devotion for lalkitab in u & I respect the person & personality

> like> > > u. ( Kitne din tak CHATTEY ke peechhey rahogey, nikalnaa to > padegaa> > > aur aapka istaqbaal karne ko bechain lalkitabee V.shukla se > mukhatib> > > honaa hee padegaa.)

> > >> > > Aapkaa snehabhilashi> > >> > > Pt.Lalkitabee.> > >> > > <%

> 40>,> > > " Iqbal Chand Thakur " > > > <thakur.iqbalchand@> wrote:

> > > >> > > > dear Varun Bhai, Kulbir Bhai aur Kitabi bhai> > > > Aapki aur Prabhaker jee ki mail dekh kar lag raha hai kee aap > ek> > > doojey ko> > > > acchhi trahaan se jaantey ho.Aap kaa baat baat mein Prabhakar

> jee> > > key gutkey> > > > ke baarey mein bajaye prabhakar jee kay kisi aur se > clearification> > > > lena ajeeb saa lagta hai, jab kee prabhakar jee hamarey is

> group> > > ke member> > > > hain.> > > > Yoon lagta hai kee yeh kitaab ko bechnay kee koyi sochi samjhi> > > tarteeb hai.> > > > Yeh Raakhi saawant ka style (surkhiyon mein baney rehna ) ik

> > > academic group> > > > ke theek nahin lagta. Baaqi aap ki marji. aap padhey likhey> > > > aur suljhay dimaad waaley wyaqti hain hain.> > > > Aap sabhi apnay aap ko lalkitabi kehtey ho, Kya yeh naush

> > > farmaaney kee> > > > koshish karengay kee ye kis grah kee kartoot kee wajah se ho > raha> > > hai. Mere> > > > khyaal mein aap apnay varshphal ya tevay ko dekhain.

> > > > Aap sabhi kaa budh kisi galat ghar mein baitha hoga aur prabal> > > hoga..> > > > Kyaa hee achha hota agar aap sabhi log mil kar jo, Hindi kee > 1942> > > aur 1952

> > > > waali kitabein shuru se padh rahey ho un ki galtiyon ko darust > kar> > > key sabhi> > > > logon keliya prastut karein.> > > > .> > > > Aapka

> > > > Iqbal Chand Thakur> > > >> > > > On 3/18/08, kulbirbance <kulbirbance@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Varun ji,> > > > >

> > > > > page 62 line 11 of prabhakar ji's gutka says> > > > > PEHLE BANI PRALBHAT, PEECHE BANA SHARIR; Please check if the > word> > > > > praLbad is same in the original or is it prarbad. what could

> > > praLbhat> > > > > mean.> > > > >> > > > > sincerely> > > > >> > > > > kulbirbance> > > > >

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