Dalda books vs Desi Ghee books/ Kulbir bhai

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Kulbir Bhai,

 

Product ka branding, promotional marketing aur product quality ka hamesha farak

hota hai. Aap tho samajhdar aur bahut pare likhe hai is liye ye koi surprise

wali baat nahin hona chaiye ke ye nayee book me itne galtheea majood hai.

 

Abh double-standard ki baat hazar huyee hai. Is forum ke daraan takreeban 2 saal

se urdu aur hindi ka language ka debate chalte hai jise hindi katabaon ko

sapusht se dalda books ka zikkar label kiya gaya. Abhi sirf urdu ki baat nahin

rayee balh ke accuracy ki baat question shuruat huyee hai.

 

Agar authentic Lal Kitab ka pasha aur akhar nahin accuracy se liye gaye tho ye

ik authentic kitab ka transliteration nahin consider ho sakdhi. Agar urdu parne

ke vidhwaano se Original Lal Kitab ke shabad ko change kiye gaya bina footnotes

or bina excerpts ya justification se (khaas thor par yahan modified shabdo ka

koi mathlib saaf nahin nazariya se aatha hai) tho

 

Ye rahee baat hai ke jo ego hai ye hamesha ka hamesha admi ko zaroor thoka deta

hai jab bahut bara ban jaata hai. Agar mistakes hai kitab main tho us ka zaroor

detailed response aur log/audit authors ko dena chaye ke kahan kahan hor bhi

areas me inno ne kuch change kiye hai aur kyon.

 

Meri urdu aur hindi ke mistakes is email me main aap ko pehle si hi maafi mangta

hoon.

 

Aap ka pardesi bhai,

Iqbal

 

 

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" kulbir bance " <kulbirbance

 

Wed, 19 Mar 2008 06:24:58

 

LK discussion group Re: Dalda books vs Desi Ghee books/ Thakur Saheb

 

 

Varun ji; every word is truth and open for any body to check. just want to add

that gutka prbhakar ji (pagexix) says about arun sahinta " UNHO NE LALKITAB KA

HINDI BHASA ME AISA GHATIYA ANUWAAD KIYA KI AAM AADMI CHAHTE HUE BHI KISSI KITAB

KI AAISI DURGATI NAHIN KAR PAYEGA " If u use such language about a product of

other; it is ur duty that your product is totally unpolluted.

kulbirbance

 

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On 3/19/08, varun_trvd <varun_trvd (AT) (DOT) <varun_trvd co.in>

wrote:

 

 

 

 

Respected Thakur Saheb,

 

I did not want to join this string of `Dalda books Vs Desi ghee

books'. Since you have mentioned my name also in your message I am

responding; although this has been a very painful, agonizing and

humiliating chapter in my Lal Kitab journey.

 

You must have noticed that I have utmost respect for every one who

participates in the group; I never lose my cool; I encourage every

one and appreciate every contribution made in the group. I consider

every one as my Guru; I could sit at the feet and learn from.

 

Now talking about the humiliation, a journey which is very painful

even to recall.

 

All of us were the members of the Astrostudents group with the

intention that we all collectively will start our journey to find

the spirit of the Lal Kitab. We had access to only Hindi books which

we held in high esteem because it was through those books we were

introduced to the Lal Kitab. Had those books not been there we would

never have been associated with the Lal Kitab. Therefore we had

nothing except the Hindi books to quote from. That was the primeval

sin we had committed.

 

We were jeered at, ridiculed, humiliated and made to feel a pariah

and unwanted, simply because we did not have the `Desi Ghee books'

and we had only the Dalda books. Once quoting from a Hindi book I

wrote the word `jaise' for `maslan' and if you read the reaction to

that word from the archives of the Astrostudents group for the month

of March 2007 you will know for your self what I am trying to

convey. The every day humiliation got so unbearable that I was left

with no option but to quit the group and start my own group. And the

results are for all to see.

 

Therefore now if any one of us mentions this word ` Dalda books or

Desi ghee books', it is not out of jealousy as you seem to think, it

is out of pain and agony and fire of having been humiliated that

burns within. All those who jeered at the Dalda books then if are

reminded of it now, it is poetic justice.

 

Now coming to your question as why didn't any one of us talk about

Arun sanhita or others who had brought out the Hindi books?

 

The answer is simple because none of them ever claimed that they

are ` Desi Ghee'; none of them ever sat at the pedestal and looked

down upon us and made us feel small, redundant and out-castes; none

of them ever preached from the pulpit making us feel ignorant

rustics; none of them ever claimed as the Gurus and the sole

custodian of the lal Kitab. That is why we never raised questions at

their efforts. They had done the path-breaking job, toiled and paved

the road for us to walk on. I personally hold them in very high

esteem even today.

 

Therefore now and then it becomes necessary to show the mirror, and

it shouldn't hurt them who have had all the fun at our cost.

 

With regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

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@, " Iqbal Chand Thakur "

<thakur.iqbalchand wrote:

>

> Varun Bhai , Vipin Bhai,Prabhakar Ji aur Nirmal Ji

>

>

> Hum sab Lalkitab key vshay per charcha kar rahein hain . Galti

bataana is

> ilam mein bahut hee gunkaari cheez kahi gayi haiper shishta chaar

kaa

> bhoolna bahut bada zurm kaha gaya hai. Shukla jee nay theek kaha

Hum insaan

> hai, Kaam kaarengay to galti hogi. Is mein shaq nahin. Lekin Mein

to sirf

> lehzay kee bat kar rahaa hoon.

> Zara Guar Farmaayen

> " ASLI GHEE ME IK AUR MAKKHI "

> Mein vaisaey hindi kee lal kitabein kam padhta hoon. Haan khreed

jaroor leta

> hoon. Mainay ye Prabhakar wala

> Gutka kharida aur dekha hai. Aur mein hindi kee doosri kitabon sey

vee waaqaf

> hoon.

> Mere hisaab se to prabhakar wala gutka sabse ooper hai balki mere

apna

> ehsaas yeh hai kee is kitab ko chhookar joo shaanti mili vo aajtak

kisi

> kitab mein nahin mili.

> Yey daldey waala chakker bee puranee mail padh ker samajh aa gaya

hai.

> Aap sabhi lalkitab ke waaqif hain. In mail ko padh ker ye samajh

aa raha hai

> kee Koyi bahut badi irshaa ranjish Jalan (Jo Budh paida karta

hai) is key

> peechey kaam kar rahi hai.

> Sab se bade Afsos kee baat to yeh hai balqi mujhey dar hai

> kee aap logon kee yeh koshish shayad aagaey aanaey waali kitabon ko

> sada ke liye tah zameen mein daba deigee. Is

> tarhan key Jumley dekh karkoyi bhee is baat kee koshish naa karega

kee

> Kitaab chhapi jaaye.

> Aur Ho sakta hai kee is taraha kee batein isi liye hee kee jaa

rahi hon.

> Vipin Bhai jahaan taq mein samajhta hoon Aap is line mein bees

> saal se jyaada hain aur varun bhee lagta hai 10 12 saal se to hoga

> hee. ab mein aap se ye sawaal poochtaa hoon kee kyaa aapney aaj taq

> 1. Arun sanhita waaley se koyi is taraha kee sawaal kiye hain. Jab

kee usmey

> to asli cheej hee bahut kam hai.

> 2. Kya is sey pehley Yehi sawaal Aapney

> Vashishth jee se ye sawal poocha hai kee bhai usney kyoon galtiyaan

> kee hain is kitab mein.

> Jahan taq mujhey lagta hai inhin kitabbon ko dalda kee upaadhi dee

hai kuch

> logon ney.

> is vishay per Abb taq kee charcha yehi ishara karti hai kee

> " Dalda khaaney waalon koo desi ghee hazam nahin hota "

> baaqi Prabhakar ji aur Nirmal ki se guzarish hai kee veh bhee

Galtiyon

> Bataney waalon ko galat naa samjhey. Ye sabhi lalkitab ke sewa kar

rahey

> hain.

>

>

> Aapka

>

>

>

> Iqbal Chand Thakur

>

>

>

>

On 3/18/08, lalkitabee <lalkitabee wrote:

> >

> > Thakur Ji

> > Plz Read my previous massage carefully. I addressed to Prabhakar

Ji &

> > Nirmal Ji

> > in prev. mail, specially for last clarification.Im asking

directly

> > from writer & proof reader.But both of them neither correcting

> > mistake of us (If we are wrong) nor saying

about " chaaton/choton .

> > Where am I wrong ?

> > Thakur Ji,Agar hum padhey likhey aur suljhey dimaagh waley hain

to

> > MOODHMATI (Moorkh) aap bhi nahi hain. Aap ko khud hee pataa honaa

> > chahiye ke is kitab kee bikree badhne se kise fayda hoga aur kise

> > nuksaan? aur usi ke mutalliq shaks ko address karnaa chahiye.

> > Rahee baat hamaari kundali ya varshfal ki, to mere bhai hamaari

> > kundali main 9 grah ba-haisiyat munasib jagah hain. Kyon aap

usmain

> > 10th planet ki tarah sthapit honaa chahtey ho? Discussion main

aap

> > rachnaatmak sehyog devain aur writers & proof reader ko bhi

> > protsahit karain. Galati kisse nahi hoti aur galati sveekar kar

lene

> > walaa kabhi bhi chhotaa nahi hotaa ,na hee uski vishvasneeyata

> > (CREDEBILITY) kam hoti hai. Rahee baat kitaab likhne ki , samay

aane

> > par likhi bhi jayegi aur agar humse koyee galatee huyee to use

> > sweekar bhi karengey. Kam se kam lalkitab ke gyaan ko apni

chuppi se

> > gumraah nahi karengey.

> > U understand, bcoz i saw a passion &

> > devotion for lalkitab in u & I respect the person & personality

like

> > u. ( Kitne din tak CHATTEY ke peechhey rahogey, nikalnaa to

padegaa

> > aur aapka istaqbaal karne ko bechain lalkitabee V.shukla se

mukhatib

> > honaa hee padegaa.)

> >

> > Aapkaa snehabhilashi

> >

> > Pt.Lalkitabee.

> >

> > <%40>

@<%

40. <http://40/> com>,

> > " Iqbal Chand Thakur "

> > <thakur.iqbalchand@> wrote:

> > >

> > > dear Varun Bhai, Kulbir Bhai aur Kitabi bhai

> > > Aapki aur Prabhaker jee ki mail dekh kar lag raha hai kee aap

ek

> > doojey ko

> > > acchhi trahaan se jaantey ho.Aap kaa baat baat mein Prabhakar

jee

> > key gutkey

> > > ke baarey mein bajaye prabhakar jee kay kisi aur se

clearification

> > > lena ajeeb saa lagta hai, jab kee prabhakar jee hamarey is

group

> > ke member

> > > hain.

> > > Yoon lagta hai kee yeh kitaab ko bechnay kee koyi sochi samjhi

> > tarteeb hai.

> > > Yeh Raakhi saawant ka style (surkhiyon mein baney rehna ) ik

> > academic group

> > > ke theek nahin lagta. Baaqi aap ki marji. aap padhey likhey

> > > aur suljhay dimaad waaley wyaqti hain hain.

> > > Aap sabhi apnay aap ko lalkitabi kehtey ho, Kya yeh naush

> > farmaaney kee

> > > koshish karengay kee ye kis grah kee kartoot kee wajah se ho

raha

> > hai. Mere

> > > khyaal mein aap apnay varshphal ya tevay ko dekhain.

> > > Aap sabhi kaa budh kisi galat ghar mein baitha hoga aur prabal

> > hoga..

> > > Kyaa hee achha hota agar aap sabhi log mil kar jo, Hindi kee

1942

> > aur 1952

> > > waali kitabein shuru se padh rahey ho un ki galtiyon ko darust

kar

> > key sabhi

> > > logon keliya prastut karein.

> > > .

> > > Aapka

> > > Iqbal Chand Thakur

> > >

> > > On 3/18/08, kulbirbance <kulbirbance@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Varun ji,

> > > >

> > > > page 62 line 11 of prabhakar ji's gutka says

> > > > PEHLE BANI PRALBHAT, PEECHE BANA SHARIR; Please check if the

word

> > > > praLbad is same in the original or is it prarbad. what could

> > praLbhat

> > > > mean.

> > > >

> > > > sincerely

> > > >

> > > > kulbirbance

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

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