Dalda books vs Desi Ghee books/ iqbal ji

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Pardesi bhai;

 

aapki mail ka haraf b harf sahi hai. ik baat aur mere

notice mein aayi ki lalkitab ki original kitabon par to pt ji ke

parivar ne koi dawa nahin thoka, par nae publishers jab

transliteration chapte hain to do char galtiyan jaan bhooj kar chood

dete hain taki unk a product copyright act ke tahat mahfuz rahe.

galti anjane mein ho jaye to mafi maangi aur darusti karni aasan ho

jati hai par janbhuj kar ki galti ko manana thoda mushkil ho jata

hai.

 

thanks and regards

 

kulbir bance

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, punjabilovebug wrote:

>

> Kulbir Bhai,

>

> Product ka branding, promotional marketing aur product quality ka

hamesha farak hota hai. Aap tho samajhdar aur bahut pare likhe hai

is liye ye koi surprise wali baat nahin hona chaiye ke ye nayee book

me itne galtheea majood hai.

>

> Abh double-standard ki baat hazar huyee hai. Is forum ke daraan

takreeban 2 saal se urdu aur hindi ka language ka debate chalte hai

jise hindi katabaon ko sapusht se dalda books ka zikkar label kiya

gaya. Abhi sirf urdu ki baat nahin rayee balh ke accuracy ki baat

question shuruat huyee hai.

>

> Agar authentic Lal Kitab ka pasha aur akhar nahin accuracy se liye

gaye tho ye ik authentic kitab ka transliteration nahin consider ho

sakdhi. Agar urdu parne ke vidhwaano se Original Lal Kitab ke shabad

ko change kiye gaya bina footnotes or bina excerpts ya justification

se (khaas thor par yahan modified shabdo ka koi mathlib saaf nahin

nazariya se aatha hai) tho

>

> Ye rahee baat hai ke jo ego hai ye hamesha ka hamesha admi ko

zaroor thoka deta hai jab bahut bara ban jaata hai. Agar mistakes

hai kitab main tho us ka zaroor detailed response aur log/audit

authors ko dena chaye ke kahan kahan hor bhi areas me inno ne kuch

change kiye hai aur kyon.

>

> Meri urdu aur hindi ke mistakes is email me main aap ko pehle si

hi maafi mangta hoon.

>

> Aap ka pardesi bhai,

> Iqbal

>

>

> Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

>

>

> " kulbir bance " <kulbirbance

>

> Wed, 19 Mar 2008 06:24:58

>

> LK discussion group Re: Dalda books vs Desi Ghee books/

Thakur Saheb

>

>

> Varun ji; every word is truth and open for any body to check. just

want to add that gutka prbhakar ji (pagexix) says about arun

sahinta " UNHO NE LALKITAB KA HINDI BHASA ME AISA GHATIYA ANUWAAD

KIYA KI AAM AADMI CHAHTE HUE BHI KISSI KITAB KI AAISI DURGATI NAHIN

KAR PAYEGA " If u use such language about a product of other; it is

ur duty that your product is totally unpolluted.

> kulbirbance

>

> ?

> On 3/19/08, varun_trvd <varun_trvd (AT) (DOT) <varun_trvd

co.in> wrote:

>

>

>

>

> Respected Thakur Saheb,

>

> I did not want to join this string of `Dalda books Vs Desi ghee

> books'. Since you have mentioned my name also in your message I am

> responding; although this has been a very painful, agonizing and

> humiliating chapter in my Lal Kitab journey.

>

> You must have noticed that I have utmost respect for every one who

> participates in the group; I never lose my cool; I encourage every

> one and appreciate every contribution made in the group. I

consider

> every one as my Guru; I could sit at the feet and learn from.

>

> Now talking about the humiliation, a journey which is very painful

> even to recall.

>

> All of us were the members of the Astrostudents group with the

> intention that we all collectively will start our journey to find

> the spirit of the Lal Kitab. We had access to only Hindi books

which

> we held in high esteem because it was through those books we were

> introduced to the Lal Kitab. Had those books not been there we

would

> never have been associated with the Lal Kitab. Therefore we had

> nothing except the Hindi books to quote from. That was the

primeval

> sin we had committed.

>

> We were jeered at, ridiculed, humiliated and made to feel a pariah

> and unwanted, simply because we did not have the `Desi Ghee

books'

> and we had only the Dalda books. Once quoting from a Hindi book I

> wrote the word `jaise' for `maslan' and if you read the reaction

to

> that word from the archives of the Astrostudents group for the

month

> of March 2007 you will know for your self what I am trying to

> convey. The every day humiliation got so unbearable that I was

left

> with no option but to quit the group and start my own group. And

the

> results are for all to see.

>

> Therefore now if any one of us mentions this word ` Dalda books or

> Desi ghee books', it is not out of jealousy as you seem to think,

it

> is out of pain and agony and fire of having been humiliated that

> burns within. All those who jeered at the Dalda books then if are

> reminded of it now, it is poetic justice.

>

> Now coming to your question as why didn't any one of us talk about

> Arun sanhita or others who had brought out the Hindi books?

>

> The answer is simple because none of them ever claimed that they

> are ` Desi Ghee'; none of them ever sat at the pedestal and looked

> down upon us and made us feel small, redundant and out-castes;

none

> of them ever preached from the pulpit making us feel ignorant

> rustics; none of them ever claimed as the Gurus and the sole

> custodian of the lal Kitab. That is why we never raised questions

at

> their efforts. They had done the path-breaking job, toiled and

paved

> the road for us to walk on. I personally hold them in very high

> esteem even today.

>

> Therefore now and then it becomes necessary to show the mirror,

and

> it shouldn't hurt them who have had all the fun at our cost.

>

> With regards,

>

> Varun Trivedi

>

> <%

40> @, " Iqbal Chand Thakur "

> <thakur.iqbalchand@> wrote:

> >

> > Varun Bhai , Vipin Bhai,Prabhakar Ji aur Nirmal Ji

> >

> >

> > Hum sab Lalkitab key vshay per charcha kar rahein hain . Galti

> bataana is

> > ilam mein bahut hee gunkaari cheez kahi gayi haiper shishta

chaar

> kaa

> > bhoolna bahut bada zurm kaha gaya hai. Shukla jee nay theek kaha

> Hum insaan

> > hai, Kaam kaarengay to galti hogi. Is mein shaq nahin. Lekin

Mein

> to sirf

> > lehzay kee bat kar rahaa hoon.

> > Zara Guar Farmaayen

> > " ASLI GHEE ME IK AUR MAKKHI "

> > Mein vaisaey hindi kee lal kitabein kam padhta hoon. Haan khreed

> jaroor leta

> > hoon. Mainay ye Prabhakar wala

> > Gutka kharida aur dekha hai. Aur mein hindi kee doosri kitabon

sey

> vee waaqaf

> > hoon.

> > Mere hisaab se to prabhakar wala gutka sabse ooper hai balki

mere

> apna

> > ehsaas yeh hai kee is kitab ko chhookar joo shaanti mili vo

aajtak

> kisi

> > kitab mein nahin mili.

> > Yey daldey waala chakker bee puranee mail padh ker samajh aa

gaya

> hai.

> > Aap sabhi lalkitab ke waaqif hain. In mail ko padh ker ye samajh

> aa raha hai

> > kee Koyi bahut badi irshaa ranjish Jalan (Jo Budh paida karta

> hai) is key

> > peechey kaam kar rahi hai.

> > Sab se bade Afsos kee baat to yeh hai balqi mujhey dar hai

> > kee aap logon kee yeh koshish shayad aagaey aanaey waali kitabon

ko

> > sada ke liye tah zameen mein daba deigee. Is

> > tarhan key Jumley dekh karkoyi bhee is baat kee koshish naa

karega

> kee

> > Kitaab chhapi jaaye.

> > Aur Ho sakta hai kee is taraha kee batein isi liye hee kee jaa

> rahi hon.

> > Vipin Bhai jahaan taq mein samajhta hoon Aap is line mein bees

> > saal se jyaada hain aur varun bhee lagta hai 10 12 saal se to

hoga

> > hee. ab mein aap se ye sawaal poochtaa hoon kee kyaa aapney aaj

taq

> > 1. Arun sanhita waaley se koyi is taraha kee sawaal kiye hain.

Jab

> kee usmey

> > to asli cheej hee bahut kam hai.

> > 2. Kya is sey pehley Yehi sawaal Aapney

> > Vashishth jee se ye sawal poocha hai kee bhai usney kyoon

galtiyaan

> > kee hain is kitab mein.

> > Jahan taq mujhey lagta hai inhin kitabbon ko dalda kee upaadhi

dee

> hai kuch

> > logon ney.

> > is vishay per Abb taq kee charcha yehi ishara karti hai kee

> > " Dalda khaaney waalon koo desi ghee hazam nahin hota "

> > baaqi Prabhakar ji aur Nirmal ki se guzarish hai kee veh bhee

> Galtiyon

> > Bataney waalon ko galat naa samjhey. Ye sabhi lalkitab ke sewa

kar

> rahey

> > hain.

> >

> >

> > Aapka

> >

> >

> >

> > Iqbal Chand Thakur

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > On 3/18/08, lalkitabee <lalkitabee@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Thakur Ji

> > > Plz Read my previous massage carefully. I addressed to

Prabhakar

> Ji &

> > > Nirmal Ji

> > > in prev. mail, specially for last clarification.Im asking

> directly

> > > from writer & proof reader.But both of them neither correcting

> > > mistake of us (If we are wrong) nor saying

> about " chaaton/choton .

> > > Where am I wrong ?

> > > Thakur Ji,Agar hum padhey likhey aur suljhey dimaagh waley

hain

> to

> > > MOODHMATI (Moorkh) aap bhi nahi hain. Aap ko khud hee pataa

honaa

> > > chahiye ke is kitab kee bikree badhne se kise fayda hoga aur

kise

> > > nuksaan? aur usi ke mutalliq shaks ko address karnaa chahiye.

> > > Rahee baat hamaari kundali ya varshfal ki, to mere bhai hamaari

> > > kundali main 9 grah ba-haisiyat munasib jagah hain. Kyon aap

> usmain

> > > 10th planet ki tarah sthapit honaa chahtey ho? Discussion main

> aap

> > > rachnaatmak sehyog devain aur writers & proof reader ko bhi

> > > protsahit karain. Galati kisse nahi hoti aur galati sveekar

kar

> lene

> > > walaa kabhi bhi chhotaa nahi hotaa ,na hee uski vishvasneeyata

> > > (CREDEBILITY) kam hoti hai. Rahee baat kitaab likhne ki ,

samay

> aane

> > > par likhi bhi jayegi aur agar humse koyee galatee huyee to use

> > > sweekar bhi karengey. Kam se kam lalkitab ke gyaan ko apni

> chuppi se

> > > gumraah nahi karengey.

> > > U understand, bcoz i saw a passion &

> > > devotion for lalkitab in u & I respect the person &

personality

> like

> > > u. ( Kitne din tak CHATTEY ke peechhey rahogey, nikalnaa to

> padegaa

> > > aur aapka istaqbaal karne ko bechain lalkitabee V.shukla se

> mukhatib

> > > honaa hee padegaa.)

> > >

> > > Aapkaa snehabhilashi

> > >

> > > Pt.Lalkitabee.

> > >

> > > <%

40> @<%

> 40. <http://40/> com>,

> > > " Iqbal Chand Thakur "

> > > <thakur.iqbalchand@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > dear Varun Bhai, Kulbir Bhai aur Kitabi bhai

> > > > Aapki aur Prabhaker jee ki mail dekh kar lag raha hai kee

aap

> ek

> > > doojey ko

> > > > acchhi trahaan se jaantey ho.Aap kaa baat baat mein

Prabhakar

> jee

> > > key gutkey

> > > > ke baarey mein bajaye prabhakar jee kay kisi aur se

> clearification

> > > > lena ajeeb saa lagta hai, jab kee prabhakar jee hamarey is

> group

> > > ke member

> > > > hain.

> > > > Yoon lagta hai kee yeh kitaab ko bechnay kee koyi sochi

samjhi

> > > tarteeb hai.

> > > > Yeh Raakhi saawant ka style (surkhiyon mein baney rehna ) ik

> > > academic group

> > > > ke theek nahin lagta. Baaqi aap ki marji. aap padhey likhey

> > > > aur suljhay dimaad waaley wyaqti hain hain.

> > > > Aap sabhi apnay aap ko lalkitabi kehtey ho, Kya yeh naush

> > > farmaaney kee

> > > > koshish karengay kee ye kis grah kee kartoot kee wajah se

ho

> raha

> > > hai. Mere

> > > > khyaal mein aap apnay varshphal ya tevay ko dekhain.

> > > > Aap sabhi kaa budh kisi galat ghar mein baitha hoga aur

prabal

> > > hoga..

> > > > Kyaa hee achha hota agar aap sabhi log mil kar jo, Hindi kee

> 1942

> > > aur 1952

> > > > waali kitabein shuru se padh rahey ho un ki galtiyon ko

darust

> kar

> > > key sabhi

> > > > logon keliya prastut karein.

> > > > .

> > > > Aapka

> > > > Iqbal Chand Thakur

> > > >

> > > > On 3/18/08, kulbirbance <kulbirbance@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Varun ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > page 62 line 11 of prabhakar ji's gutka says

> > > > > PEHLE BANI PRALBHAT, PEECHE BANA SHARIR; Please check if

the

> word

> > > > > praLbad is same in the original or is it prarbad. what

could

> > > praLbhat

> > > > > mean.

> > > > >

> > > > > sincerely

> > > > >

> > > > > kulbirbance

> > > > >

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