Guest guest Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 Dear Kulbir bhai, I have seen a natural sponge a couple of times. It is a small sea animal. The sponge sold at the sea beaches in India is probably the dead animal. It has thousnads of small pores which can hold water. It is mostly used in the bathroom to clean and rub feet etc. I wouldn't know which planet the sponge should belong to. Regards, Varun , " kulbir bance " <kulbirbance wrote: > > Varun ji, > What exactly a sponge represents, holding water without bounding into any > shape that much is clear, but we should identify as to which planet sponge > belongs. is NATURAL SPOnGE is some type of skin of some marine life. > kulbirbance > > > On 4/9/08, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: > > > > Very respected Yograj ji, > > > > Yes you are right. I checked it in the book. I was wrong. But the > > logic still would be the same; not to use a container, which would > > resemble mercury qualities, to store water because mercury is placed > > in the house of debility. > > > > With great regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > <% 40>, > > Yograj Prabhakar > > <yr_prabhakar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Varun ji > > > > > > The remedy in question is not for moon in the 12th while there is > > mercury in the 2nd, it is actually for mercury in the 12th while > > there is moon in the 2nd house. Please re-check, and only then try > > to create a logic. > > > > > > Respectfully > > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > Respected Kiranjit ji, > > > > > > The remedy is mentioned in the book for moon in the 12th while > > there > > > is mercury in the 2nd. The logic is quite understandable. > > > > > > For moon in the 12th the book has advised " meh ka paani sahayak > > hoga " > > > to keep at home a little rain water. > > > > > > In this case where the mercury is in the 2nd , a pakka ghar of > > > Jupiter , the rain water or for that matter any water should not > > be > > > kept in a utensil which could represent a mercury and therefore > > the > > > use of sponge has been advised. This also makes sense because the > > moon > > > is placed in the 12th , a house where mercury is in debility. > > > > > > Since the natural sea sponge will not be easily available, we > > believe > > > that foam which doesn't have a shape of mercury can be used for > > this > > > upaya. > > > > > > We haven't come across this sponge upaya for moon in the 1st > > house > > > along with mercury in the 2nd house. Even if it were true, we > > fail to > > > understand the logic. Could you please let us know why could the > > water > > > in sponge upaya might have been suggested for Moon in the 1st > > house > > > along with mercury in the 2nd house? > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > <% 40>, > > " kapatjal " > > <kapatjal@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > dear yograj ji, > > > > > > > > regarding the duration of wetting sponge for moon 12 and budh > > 2,it > > > is > > > > for 100 days.Right? > > > > > > > > respected punditji had recommended this remedy even for moon 1 > > and > > > > budh 2.Also the sponge recommended was natural sponge which is > > very > > > > very difficult to get these days.Any substitutes for that ? > > could it > > > > be foam available freely. > > > > with best wishes; > > > > sincerely, > > > > kiranjit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of > > Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 We could consider it to be fish …? On Behalf Of varun_trvd Wednesday, April 09, 2008 19:47 LK discussion group Re: wetting sponge / Kulbir ji Dear Kulbir bhai, I have seen a natural sponge a couple of times. It is a small sea animal. The sponge sold at the sea beaches in India is probably the dead animal. It has thousnads of small pores which can hold water. It is mostly used in the bathroom to clean and rub feet etc. I wouldn't know which planet the sponge should belong to. Regards, Varun , " kulbir bance " <kulbirbance wrote: > > Varun ji, > What exactly a sponge represents, holding water without bounding into any > shape that much is clear, but we should identify as to which planet sponge > belongs. is NATURAL SPOnGE is some type of skin of some marine life. > kulbirbance > > > On 4/9/08, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: > > > > Very respected Yograj ji, > > > > Yes you are right. I checked it in the book. I was wrong. But the > > logic still would be the same; not to use a container, which would > > resemble mercury qualities, to store water because mercury is placed > > in the house of debility. > > > > With great regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > <% 40>, > > Yograj Prabhakar > > <yr_prabhakar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Varun ji > > > > > > The remedy in question is not for moon in the 12th while there is > > mercury in the 2nd, it is actually for mercury in the 12th while > > there is moon in the 2nd house. Please re-check, and only then try > > to create a logic. > > > > > > Respectfully > > > Yograj Prabhakar > > > > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > Respected Kiranjit ji, > > > > > > The remedy is mentioned in the book for moon in the 12th while > > there > > > is mercury in the 2nd. The logic is quite understandable. > > > > > > For moon in the 12th the book has advised " meh ka paani sahayak > > hoga " > > > to keep at home a little rain water. > > > > > > In this case where the mercury is in the 2nd , a pakka ghar of > > > Jupiter , the rain water or for that matter any water should not > > be > > > kept in a utensil which could represent a mercury and therefore > > the > > > use of sponge has been advised. This also makes sense because the > > moon > > > is placed in the 12th , a house where mercury is in debility. > > > > > > Since the natural sea sponge will not be easily available, we > > believe > > > that foam which doesn't have a shape of mercury can be used for > > this > > > upaya. > > > > > > We haven't come across this sponge upaya for moon in the 1st > > house > > > along with mercury in the 2nd house. Even if it were true, we > > fail to > > > understand the logic. Could you please let us know why could the > > water > > > in sponge upaya might have been suggested for Moon in the 1st > > house > > > along with mercury in the 2nd house? > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > <% 40>, > > " kapatjal " > > <kapatjal@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > dear yograj ji, > > > > > > > > regarding the duration of wetting sponge for moon 12 and budh > > 2,it > > > is > > > > for 100 days.Right? > > > > > > > > respected punditji had recommended this remedy even for moon 1 > > and > > > > budh 2.Also the sponge recommended was natural sponge which is > > very > > > > very difficult to get these days.Any substitutes for that ? > > could it > > > > be foam available freely. > > > > with best wishes; > > > > sincerely, > > > > kiranjit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of > > Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 Dear Kulbir bhai, The instructions are very clear and unambiguous. Page 545, 1952 urdu ed. " kam-z-kam 96 ghante soorakh qayam rakhana " Therefore any advice beyond this time limit can not be considered a part of the upaya. The upaya is restricted to a minimum of 96 hours only. It is not 96 or 100 days. In the case of ladies, if they want to continue wearing some thing in the nose after these initial 96 hours, then they can. But the extra period will not be a part of the upaya. Have a nice day. Varun , " kulbirbance " <kulbirbance wrote: > > gurudev, > > i was working on mangal nek and rahu's friendship's > application as told by ur gud self. it indeed works in interpreating > relations so i couldn't go into this sponge remedy in detail. > but just a thought occured, the remedy of keeping silver nose ring > is for 96/100 days duration. could that principle be extended here > also. > > regards > > kulbirbance. > > > > > , " varun_trvd " > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > Respected Kiranjit ji, > > > > Thank you sir for the information you gave on sponge. Never knew > > that a natural sponge could be green too. The one I knew about was > > grey. > > > > As for the duration of upaya, I think it should have been 43 days; > > 40 statutory days + 3 riyatee days. This number of 43 has been > well > > defined and explained in the book. I do not see any logic for 100 > > days. Till I find a logic for 100 days I will not be able to > accept > > it. > > > > As for the same upaya for moon in the 1st and the mercury in the > 2nd > > will be logical and perfectly justified only if the Lagna is > Gemini > > [ mithun ]. In that case the moon will be in the rasi of the > mercury > > where as the mercury will be in the rasi of the moon [ Cancer ] . > In > > this situation it could be advisable to use a water container > which > > does not have a mercury shape. > > > > This is vedic astrology argument which we accept as valid.In vedic > > jyotish this parivartan yog between the two will weaken the moon > > which if stored [ water ] in a container of mercury shape, will > > further damage the moon in stead of helping it. > > > > Regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kiranjit kumar > > <kapatjal@> wrote: > > > > > > dear Varun ji, > > > I do not know the reasons; but the remedy was suggested by > > respected pundit ji himself with moon 1 and Budh2. > > > The natural sponge was freely used in my childhood to wipe > > clean the slates over which v used to write with 'saleti'(Chalk) > and > > was easily available. One reason for its use in remedy could be > > that it was green in colour.May be the foam used should be of > green > > colour.Sponge has ben defined as a marine growth used to absorb > > liquids. > > > The question raised by dear Yograjji has not been touched in > > discussion.Please comment upon the duration of the remedy. > > > with best wishes; > > > sincerely, > > > kiranjeet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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