Studying the Lal Kitab system / Ranbir ji

[Guest guest]

Respected Ranbir ji,

 

There is only one astrology system prevalent in India which

is based on Niryan concept and is known as Indian Vedic

astrology. The other one is the Sayan based and is known

as western astrology.

 

All subsystems, like Parashari, Jamini, Naadi, Lal Kitab,KP,

or SA are part of the same Niryan based Indian astrology.

 

Therefore it is quite logical that one should know the source

of that knowledge before studying a sub system which is

basically complimentary to the mother source. And hence

the knowledge of the Vedic astrology will be a must for

learning Lal Kitab system

 

Lal Kitab adds a few new dimensions to the existing

knowledge of Vedic astrology. And one has to assimilate

these new dimensions into the mother source. All

Lal Kitab concepts are within the parameters or the

dictums of the Vedic astrology. None of them are at

variance with the well established traditional dictums.

 

As for mingling, it would be unproductive if two

such systems are mixed which are opposite to each

other or are at variance with one another. But in

the case of the Lal Kitab it is a sub system of the

great mother system known as Indian Vedic astrology.

 

How could a part mingling with the whole be

wrong or undesirable?

 

How could the Atma joining the Brahma be

termed as unproductive or counter productive?

 

On the contrary mingling strengthens the sub

system further.

 

Regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " ranbir.tokas "

<ranbir.tokas wrote:

>

> Shri Varun ji,

>

> I have met some Lal Kitabists who insist that the Lal Kitab system

> is entirely different from the Vedic astrology. They further

insist

> that the two should be kept apart and not allowed to intermingle.

> Where as you insist that in order to understand the Lal Kitab

system

> better one should be well versed in the Vedic astrology too.

>

> Ranbir Tokas

>

>

>

>

>

>

, " varun_trvd "

> <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Raheja ji,

> >

> > There can not be any one single uniform technique to

> > study any subject or for that matter any text such that

> > which could be uniformly applicable / useful to every

> > student. Each student develops his own method of

> > study which suits him. However there could be very

> > general guidelines for handling a subject which could

> > be used by every one to their benefit.

> >

> > Therefore all I can share is the way we studied the

> > Lal Kitab, under the guidance of our Guru Pt. Bhooshan Priya ji.

> >

> > [ 1 ] First and foremost thing to learn the Lal Kitab system

> > is that one has to be very well versed in Vedic astrology;

> > with all aspects of it including the mathematics of it.

> > Knowledge of the traditional Vedic astrology is a must

> > in order to be a good Lal Kitab scholar. As a matter of

> > fact, Lal Kitab was written for the astrologers of that time,

> > and there was no other system except the Vedic Astrology

> > system prevalent in those days.

> >

> > [ 2 ] Start with Pt. Krishna Ashant ji’s books [a]

Prashthabhoomi

> > evam vyakhya trik bhavano ki gatha. These two books

> > introduce the subject in its correct perspective. These books

> > also act as a link between the traditional Vedic astrology and

> > the Lal Kitab. Unless you start with these two books, you will

> > not make a head or tail of the Lal Kitab, and you might get

> > frustrated and might leave studying the book altogether.

> >

> > These two books are a must like an appetizer before a

> > sumptuous meal. Once you have gone through these books,

> > the ground is prepared for you to move to the original text.

> >

> > [ 3 ] After you have read the two books mentioned above,

> > start reading the original Lal Kitab books with the Hindi

> > transliteration of the 1941 edition by Pt. Yograj Prabhakar.

> > During the first reading of this book, just read through the

> > prose text ; do not bother about the poetic couplets.

> > Read through the couplets but do not strain your brain

> > to understand them.

> >

> > The second reading should be done along with the poetic

> > couplets too. At places it will be difficult to understand

> > what they mean. Do not get stuck up with them. There are

> > quite a few couplets which we have not been able to

> > understand till today, in spite of having read the book

> > over a dozen of times.

> >

> >

> > [ 4 ] After having done at least two readings of the 1941 ed.

> > Move on to the 1942 edition. Although there is no authentic

> > transliteration of this edition available till today, you have no

> > option but to start with the Arun Sanhita. Better still that you

> > wait for a couple of months for an authentic version to hit the

> > book stalls. If you have some time in between, you might do

> > a third reading of the 1941 edition.

> >

> > While reading the first original text, you should inculcate

> > the habit of taking down notes. It will be useful to make your

> > own list of the karakatwa of various planets in various houses.

> > Later you could use it as a ready reckoner.

> >

> > [ 5 ] 1942 book is a very important book. At places we have

> > found it to be better than the 1952 edition. This is a big book

> > and will need a lot of time reading it. Go ahead and read through

> > the text and the couplets with equal attention. Most of the

> > couplets would be very similar to the ones you had already

> > read in the 1941 edition, and therefore you will not find the

> > couplets alien.

> >

> > Even otherwise by now you will be familiar

> > with the language and the style in which the Lal Kitab is

written.

> > It will be an easy reading, and interesting too.

> > 1942 edition will be a book which you might keep referring to

> > very often. Therefore it needs the utmost attention. Two

complete

> > readings are a must. Later on, rather much later, you will be

> > flipping through the book more often than you can ever imagine.

> >

> > [ 6 ] Now is the time to move on to the 1952 edition. This is the

> > last and the most exhaustive editions of the Lal Kitab. Currently

> > only Arun Sanhita version is available; but by the time you

> > would come to read it, an authentic version might hit the book

> > stalls.

> >

> > Except for the grammar portion of the book, the rest of it will

> > be very familiar to you. In the beginning leave the grammar

> > portion, if you try understanding it you might get frustrated

> > and might develop an aversion to the book. Just read through

> > the rest of the book. By now you will not only be familiar with

> > the language, the style and the idioms of the book, you would

> > also get familiar with the system of delineation.

> >

> > Get to the grammar portion at the end. By now you would have

> > understood what the Lal Kitab is all about. Grammar portion is

> > one section which is not only poorly written, it appears to be a

> > haphazard attempt. Nothing is systematic about it. We have not

> > been able to understand a very large portion of it till today.

But

> > never bother about it. The portions you do not understand leave

> > them, because you can handle the horoscopes even without having

> > to understand those portions. You can always fill in the gaps

> > with your knowledge of the Vedic astrology

> >

> > This is true for the entire Lal Kitab system.

> > If you want to be a successful Lal Kitab scholar, you may

> > have to keep drawing from the knowledge of the vedic

> > astrology more often than you can imagine. Most of the

> > contemporary problems can not be understood or ‘samadhan’

> > suggested without the help of the Vedic astrology.

> >

> > The Lal Kitab system is complimentary to the vedic astrology.

> > It is not an independent system in itself; it is a sub-set of

the

> > vedic astrology system. Therefore the knowledge gaps of

> > Lal Kitab system can be very easily made up for through

> > the vedic astrology.

> >

> > [ 7 ] The 1939 and the 1940 editions should be read at the last.

> > By this time you would also be able to determine for yourself

> > what to read and how to read.

> >

> > [ 8 ] About this time you can also read a few books written on

the

> > Lal Kitab. You will by now be able to discern the good from the

> > bad also.

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Varun Trivedi

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " girish_raheja "

> > <girish_raheja@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Varun ji,

> > >

> > > Is there a uniform method to study the Lal Kitab system ? If

so,

> > could

> > > you please share with us.

> > > I would love to have some tips from you, as to how one should

go

> > about

> > > studying the Lal Kitab.

> > >

> > > With respect,

> > >

> > > Girish Raheja

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Respected Ranbir ji,

 

You should ask them and not me.

 

All I understand and can say is that when a part joins the whole it

becomes ‘ vrihad’ immense; be it soul joining the Brahm or a drop

joining the ocean.

 

Those who insist that the Vedic astrology be kept apart have already

done a great damage to the cause of the Lal Kitab. It appears they

did so to keep its identity apart. They were mistaken. Our identity

is in the roots. I am known by the ‘khandan’ or ‘parampara’ I come

from. The same is true about the Lal Kitab. It will be better known

through the Parampara it comes from. Any effort of exclusivity will

damage the Lal Kitab. We are at great pains to mend the damage

already done.

 

We believe, and are proud of it, that the Lal Kitab is a part of the

great Parampara of Vedic Indian astrology.

 

Regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " ranbir.tokas "

<ranbir.tokas wrote:

>

> Shri varun ji,

>

> Then why do some Lal Kitab followers insist that the Vedic system

> should be kept apart from the Lal Kitab system?

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Ranbir Tokas

>

>

>

>

, " varun_trvd "

> <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Respected Ranbir ji,

> >

> > There is only one astrology system prevalent in India which

> > is based on Niryan concept and is known as Indian Vedic

> > astrology. The other one is the Sayan based and is known

> > as western astrology.

> >

> > All subsystems, like Parashari, Jamini, Naadi, Lal Kitab,KP,

> > or SA are part of the same Niryan based Indian astrology.

> >

> > Therefore it is quite logical that one should know the source

> > of that knowledge before studying a sub system which is

> > basically complimentary to the mother source. And hence

> > the knowledge of the Vedic astrology will be a must for

> > learning Lal Kitab system

> >

> > Lal Kitab adds a few new dimensions to the existing

> > knowledge of Vedic astrology. And one has to assimilate

> > these new dimensions into the mother source. All

> > Lal Kitab concepts are within the parameters or the

> > dictums of the Vedic astrology. None of them are at

> > variance with the well established traditional dictums.

> >

> > As for mingling, it would be unproductive if two

> > such systems are mixed which are opposite to each

> > other or are at variance with one another. But in

> > the case of the Lal Kitab it is a sub system of the

> > great mother system known as Indian Vedic astrology.

> >

> > How could a part mingling with the whole be

> > wrong or undesirable?

> >

> > How could the Atma joining the Brahma be

> > termed as unproductive or counter productive?

> >

> > On the contrary mingling strengthens the sub

> > system further.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Varun Trivedi

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " ranbir.tokas "

> > <ranbir.tokas@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Shri Varun ji,

> > >

> > > I have met some Lal Kitabists who insist that the Lal Kitab

> system

> > > is entirely different from the Vedic astrology. They further

> > insist

> > > that the two should be kept apart and not allowed to

> intermingle.

> > > Where as you insist that in order to understand the Lal Kitab

> > system

> > > better one should be well versed in the Vedic astrology too.

> > >

> > > Ranbir Tokas

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " varun_trvd "

> > > <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Raheja ji,

> > > >

> > > > There can not be any one single uniform technique to

> > > > study any subject or for that matter any text such that

> > > > which could be uniformly applicable / useful to every

> > > > student. Each student develops his own method of

> > > > study which suits him. However there could be very

> > > > general guidelines for handling a subject which could

> > > > be used by every one to their benefit.

> > > >

> > > > Therefore all I can share is the way we studied the

> > > > Lal Kitab, under the guidance of our Guru Pt. Bhooshan Priya

> ji.

> > > >

> > > > [ 1 ] First and foremost thing to learn the Lal Kitab system

> > > > is that one has to be very well versed in Vedic astrology;

> > > > with all aspects of it including the mathematics of it.

> > > > Knowledge of the traditional Vedic astrology is a must

> > > > in order to be a good Lal Kitab scholar. As a matter of

> > > > fact, Lal Kitab was written for the astrologers of that time,

> > > > and there was no other system except the Vedic Astrology

> > > > system prevalent in those days.

> > > >

> > > > [ 2 ] Start with Pt. Krishna Ashant ji’s books [a]

> > Prashthabhoomi

> > > > evam vyakhya trik bhavano ki gatha. These two books

> > > > introduce the subject in its correct perspective. These books

> > > > also act as a link between the traditional Vedic astrology

and

> > > > the Lal Kitab. Unless you start with these two books, you

will

> > > > not make a head or tail of the Lal Kitab, and you might get

> > > > frustrated and might leave studying the book altogether.

> > > >

> > > > These two books are a must like an appetizer before a

> > > > sumptuous meal. Once you have gone through these books,

> > > > the ground is prepared for you to move to the original

text.

> > > >

> > > > [ 3 ] After you have read the two books mentioned above,

> > > > start reading the original Lal Kitab books with the Hindi

> > > > transliteration of the 1941 edition by Pt. Yograj Prabhakar.

> > > > During the first reading of this book, just read through the

> > > > prose text ; do not bother about the poetic couplets.

> > > > Read through the couplets but do not strain your brain

> > > > to understand them.

> > > >

> > > > The second reading should be done along with the poetic

> > > > couplets too. At places it will be difficult to understand

> > > > what they mean. Do not get stuck up with them. There are

> > > > quite a few couplets which we have not been able to

> > > > understand till today, in spite of having read the book

> > > > over a dozen of times.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > [ 4 ] After having done at least two readings of the 1941 ed.

> > > > Move on to the 1942 edition. Although there is no authentic

> > > > transliteration of this edition available till today, you

have

> no

> > > > option but to start with the Arun Sanhita. Better still that

> you

> > > > wait for a couple of months for an authentic version to hit

the

> > > > book stalls. If you have some time in between, you might do

> > > > a third reading of the 1941 edition.

> > > >

> > > > While reading the first original text, you should inculcate

> > > > the habit of taking down notes. It will be useful to make

your

> > > > own list of the karakatwa of various planets in various

houses.

> > > > Later you could use it as a ready reckoner.

> > > >

> > > > [ 5 ] 1942 book is a very important book. At places we have

> > > > found it to be better than the 1952 edition. This is a big

> book

> > > > and will need a lot of time reading it. Go ahead and read

> through

> > > > the text and the couplets with equal attention. Most of the

> > > > couplets would be very similar to the ones you had already

> > > > read in the 1941 edition, and therefore you will not find the

> > > > couplets alien.

> > > >

> > > > Even otherwise by now you will be familiar

> > > > with the language and the style in which the Lal Kitab is

> > written.

> > > > It will be an easy reading, and interesting too.

> > > > 1942 edition will be a book which you might keep referring to

> > > > very often. Therefore it needs the utmost attention. Two

> > complete

> > > > readings are a must. Later on, rather much later, you will

be

> > > > flipping through the book more often than you can ever

imagine.

> > > >

> > > > [ 6 ] Now is the time to move on to the 1952 edition. This

is

> the

> > > > last and the most exhaustive editions of the Lal Kitab.

> Currently

> > > > only Arun Sanhita version is available; but by the time you

> > > > would come to read it, an authentic version might hit the

book

> > > > stalls.

> > > >

> > > > Except for the grammar portion of the book, the rest of it

will

> > > > be very familiar to you. In the beginning leave the grammar

> > > > portion, if you try understanding it you might get frustrated

> > > > and might develop an aversion to the book. Just read through

> > > > the rest of the book. By now you will not only be familiar

with

> > > > the language, the style and the idioms of the book, you would

> > > > also get familiar with the system of delineation.

> > > >

> > > > Get to the grammar portion at the end. By now you would have

> > > > understood what the Lal Kitab is all about. Grammar portion

is

> > > > one section which is not only poorly written, it appears to

be

> a

> > > > haphazard attempt. Nothing is systematic about it. We have

> not

> > > > been able to understand a very large portion of it till

> today.

> > But

> > > > never bother about it. The portions you do not understand

leave

> > > > them, because you can handle the horoscopes even without

having

> > > > to understand those portions. You can always fill in the gaps

> > > > with your knowledge of the Vedic astrology

> > > >

> > > > This is true for the entire Lal Kitab system.

> > > > If you want to be a successful Lal Kitab scholar, you may

> > > > have to keep drawing from the knowledge of the vedic

> > > > astrology more often than you can imagine. Most of the

> > > > contemporary problems can not be understood or ‘samadhan’

> > > > suggested without the help of the Vedic astrology.

> > > >

> > > > The Lal Kitab system is complimentary to the vedic astrology.

> > > > It is not an independent system in itself; it is a sub-set

of

> > the

> > > > vedic astrology system. Therefore the knowledge gaps of

> > > > Lal Kitab system can be very easily made up for through

> > > > the vedic astrology.

> > > >

> > > > [ 7 ] The 1939 and the 1940 editions should be read at the

> last.

> > > > By this time you would also be able to determine for yourself

> > > > what to read and how to read.

> > > >

> > > > [ 8 ] About this time you can also read a few books written

on

> > the

> > > > Lal Kitab. You will by now be able to discern the good from

the

> > > > bad also.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " girish_raheja "

> > > > <girish_raheja@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Varun ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Is there a uniform method to study the Lal Kitab system ?

If

> > so,

> > > > could

> > > > > you please share with us.

> > > > > I would love to have some tips from you, as to how one

> should

> > go

> > > > about

> > > > > studying the Lal Kitab.

> > > > >

> > > > > With respect,

> > > > >

> > > > > Girish Raheja

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>