Remedy for Rahu in 8th and 11th / varun jee

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Varun jee

 

mein aajkal busy hoon monday ko detail mein jaawab doonga

 

mahajan

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " varun_trvd "

<varun_trvd wrote:

>

> Respected Mahajan ji,

>

> Thank you for participation. Just two minor points need your

> comments:

>

> [ 1 ] Where is this restriction mentioned in the book that the

Rahu

> upaya of immersing Lead pieces in running water should not be done

> if the Sun is in the 4th house ?

>

> [ 2 ] Why is this upaya to be done in a river alone and not in a

> canal? If the upaya is to be done in flowing water, then what

> difference would it make if the upaya is done in a canal instead

of

> a river? Canal too is flowing water.

>

> [ 3 ] Yes the usual precautions of roof alone not to be

dismantled,

> or if there is some kind of a bhatti next to the house etc are

> already understood.

>

> Regards,

>

> Varun Trivedi

>

>

>

>

, " mts3434 " <mts3434@>

> wrote:

> >

> > varun jee/ kulbir jee/ gill jee

> > kripya yeh bhee dhayan rakhe ki jab led/sikka/ranga dariya me

> pravah

> > kar rahen ho uss samay suraj ( sun ) khana number 4 mein na ho .

> ya

> > jis saal yeh upay karna ho uss saal suraj khana no. 4 mein na

ho.

> > aur yeh upay driya mein hee karna hai nehar mein nahi.yeh to hai

> > upay baki aur bhee kai baaton ka dhayan rakhna hota hai, jaise

ki

> > chhat na badle, ghar ki dahleej pujna (south face ) wale ke liye

> > jaroori hai.

> >

> > mahajan

> > , " gill_hs2005 "

> > <gill_hs2005@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Varun ji and kulbir ji,

> > >

> > > Sirs, thank you such a brilliant and detailed explanation. I

am

> > > grateful for that.

> > >

> > > With respect,

> > >

> > > HS Gill

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " kulbir bance "

> > > <kulbirbance@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Gurudev,

> > > >

> > > > thanks for this detailed explanation, i agree totally.

> > > >

> > > > sincerely

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > kulbirbance

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > On 5/4/08, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Gill Saheb,

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > In the first place let us understand that the upaya you

have

> > > > >

> > > > > mentioned, immersing 8 itmes either as 4pieces of

> > > > >

> > > > > Lead + 4 nariyals or 8 pieces of Lead, is a devised upaya

> > > > >

> > > > > i.e. it has been devised by the Lal Kitab astrologers

> > > > >

> > > > > themselves. *This upaya is not mentioned in the book.*

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Let me explain:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > *Rahu # 8:*

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 1941 edition : No mention of this upaya

> > > > >

> > > > > 1942 edition : No mention of this upaya

> > > > >

> > > > > 1952 edition : page 674 note # 5

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > " khote sikke [kharabshuda aur mande] jin ki bazaar

> > > > >

> > > > > mein kuchh keemat na ho aur zameen pat takarane

> > > > >

> > > > > se bilkul awaj na ho [ ya sikka,seesa,lead ] dariya

> > > > >

> > > > > mein dalte jana mubarik hoga [ taqreeban 8 sikke

> > > > >

> > > > > ya har roj ek taqreeban 43 din]

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > [The book mentions 8 counterfeit coins in one day

> > > > >

> > > > > or a coin each day for 43 days. It mentions Lead

> > > > >

> > > > > or sikka or seesa too but it is probably in the

> > > > >

> > > > > context of the coins]

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > *Rahu # 11*

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > 1941 edition : no mention

> > > > >

> > > > > 1942 edition : no mention

> > > > >

> > > > > 1952 edition : no mention

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > *But the Hindi transliteration of 1942 edition *

> > > > >

> > > > > *[ Arun sanhita ] has added on its own :*

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > For Rahu 8th : aath tukade sikke ke jinka vazan

> > > > >

> > > > > 12 kilo ho dariya mein dalen

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > For Rahu 11th : 4 kilo sikka tatha 4 pooja vale

> > > > >

> > > > > nariyal dariya mein dalen

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > But the upaya of immersing 8 pieces of Lead / Nariyal

> > > > >

> > > > > or a mix there of is a perfectly logically devised upaya.

> > > > >

> > > > > As Kulbir Ji has mentioned, Pt. Krishna Ashant ji &

> > > > >

> > > > > Amrita Preetam ji in their book " *Trik bhavanon ki gatha* "

> > > > >

> > > > > have given a rationale of this upaya. Pt. Krishna Ashant

ji

> > > > >

> > > > > maintains that the total quantity should be 8 in value

> > > > >

> > > > > where as it can be cut into pieces of 8, or 10 or

> > > > >

> > > > > depending on the house affected.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > *Now let me explain the logic of this upaya*

> > > > >

> > > > > * as we have understood it :*

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > The most important thing to remember is that this

> > > > >

> > > > > devised upaya is done only for Rahu in 8th and

> > > > >

> > > > > the 11th and for no other house.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Second thing to remember is the figure of 8

> > > > >

> > > > > in both the case. Therefore this figure is not

> > > > >

> > > > > related to the house the Rahu is posited in.

> > > > >

> > > > > If that were so then the figure of 8 would not

> > > > >

> > > > > have been there for rahu in the 11th. It would

> > > > >

> > > > > have been 11 instead.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > *Now does some thing ring a bell in the mind ?*

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > What a figure of 8 be related to the 8th house

> > > > >

> > > > > and the 11th house?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Well, let me tell you.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Rahu is moved 8 steps away.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Which is the 8th house from the 8th?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > And which is the 8th house from the 11th?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > The answer is the 3rd and the 6th.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Now by immersing a piece each day or

> > > > >

> > > > > immersing 8 pieces the same day for Rahu in

> > > > >

> > > > > the 8th, where does it take Rahu to?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > To the 3rd house of course.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Similarly, immersing 8 pieces for a rahu

> > > > >

> > > > > placed in the 11th where would it take it to?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > To the 6th house of course.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Now Rahu can not be better placed than

> > > > >

> > > > > being in the 3rd or the 6th.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > *Therefore the purpose of the upaya is to *

> > > > >

> > > > > *distance the Rahu such that it gets based*

> > > > >

> > > > > * in the best houses it can ever be.*

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Now let me explain another issue that

> > > > >

> > > > > Kulbir ji has raised.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Should the Nariyal be the one with water

> > > > >

> > > > > or the one which is completely dry.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > In our opinion the Nariyal should be completely

> > > > >

> > > > > dry because the Nariyal is an ashiya of Shani.

> > > > >

> > > > > Any thing with water [ moon ] can not be

> > > > >

> > > > > an ashiya of Shani. The Nariyal used in pooja

> > > > >

> > > > > is the one which is dry. Even otherwise Shani

> > > > >

> > > > > is considered a 'shushka grah' a dry planet.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Gill Saheb, it is not coconut. Coconut is the

> > > > >

> > > > > kernel. For upaya it is the Nariyal, which is

> > > > >

> > > > > the whole of it with coir intact.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > It was definitely a very beautiful query.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " kulbirbance "

> > > <kulbirbance@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Gill sahib,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > pt. Krishan ashant has beautifully explained rahu 11

> > > > > > remedy in his book but your question has posed a new

> > question

> > > for

> > > > > > me. i.e. shouls the 4 nariyals be sookhe khadkte hue or

> > > containing

> > > > > > water. i am in favour of cocunuts containing water

because

> > > water is

> > > > > > entraped in the shell. lets see what varun ji has to say

> in

> > > this

> > > > > > regard. indeed very logical question has been put

forward

> by

> > > your

> > > > > > goodself.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sinccerely

> > > > > >

> > > > > > kulbirbance

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " gill_hs2005 "

> > > > > > gill_hs2005@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sirs,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > For Rahu there are different remedy suggested for each

> > house

> > > > > > except

> > > > > > > for house 8th and the 11th. For both these houses the

> > remedy

> > > is

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > same. In both cases 8 pieces have been advised to flow

> > into a

> > > > > > river.

> > > > > > > It could be 4 pieces of ranga and 4 coconuts, or 8

> pieces

> > of

> > > > > > ranga.

> > > > > > > Either way the total is 8 pieces.

> > > > > > > Sir I can understand 8 pieces thrown in flowing water

> for

> > > Rahu in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > 8th house but what is the logic of throwing 8 pieces

for

> > > rahu in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > 11th.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Respectfully,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > HS Gill

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Varun jee

 

baat yeh hai ki darya pandit jee ne kyon likha, behta pani kyon nahi

likha. kyonki darya aur nehar ya chalta hua pani (saaf ) mein bahut

antar hai, kulbir jee samajh gaye hain.

ab budh khana 9 mein dekhe, wahan unhone likha hai ki darya ke pani

ke cheente kapde par maare ya darya ke pani se kapde dhoye ( kora

suit ). yahan par bhee woh nehar ka pani likh sakte thei.ya apne

kapde nehar mein dhoye( ya nehar ke paani ke cheente mare ) abb mein

yahan par hoon wahan par mere paas lk nahi hai, nahi to mein page no

ka udaaran de ke batata. lk mein kai jagah likha hua aapko mil

jayega ki upay aap behtey hue paani mein kare ( pravah ) ya kisi

jagah yeh saaf likha milega ki darya mein pravah karen. mere khayal

mein yahan darya likha wahan aapko darya mein hee upay karna chahiye

yahan chalta paani likha ho wahan aap darya / nehar mein karwa sakte

hain. baki aap sab mujhse zyada samazdar hain. meri aap logo ke aage

kya aukat. meri adat likhne ki kum hai, issliye kai baar apni baat

sahi tarike se explain nahi kar pata. discuss kare to sahi tarike se

samjha sakta hoon. mera phone no shayad kulbir jee se mil jayega.aap

se baat karke ya mil kar bahut khushi hogi.

 

mahajan

, " varun_trvd "

<varun_trvd wrote:

>

> Respected Kulbir Bhai,

>

> When a karak object of a planet is immersed in flowing water, it

is

> assumed that the effect of the planet has been distanced away.

> Flowing water is a medium or a carrier of the karak object.

> Therefore so long as the water is flowing water, as against

stagnant

> water,it should be good enough.

>

> It hardly makes a difference whether the flowing water is of a

river

> or a canal so long as the water carries away the karak object of

the

> planet.

>

> Regards,

>

> Varun Trivedi

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

, " kulbirbance "

> <kulbirbance@> wrote:

> >

> > respected Mahajan Sahib;

> >

> > the copncept of dariya and canal appealed

> > to me. dariya is a natural running source of water but in case

of a

> > canal, water is first stored; read stopped, then sent in

> > artificially created chanel, varun ji can elaborare on this

issue

> in

> > detail, but it appealled to me.

> >

> > thanks

> >

> > kulbirbance

> >

> > , " mts3434 " <mts3434@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > varun jee/ kulbir jee/ gill jee

> > > kripya yeh bhee dhayan rakhe ki jab led/sikka/ranga dariya me

> > pravah

> > > kar rahen ho uss samay suraj ( sun ) khana number 4 mein na

ho .

> > ya

> > > jis saal yeh upay karna ho uss saal suraj khana no. 4 mein na

ho.

> > > aur yeh upay driya mein hee karna hai nehar mein nahi.yeh to

hai

> > > upay baki aur bhee kai baaton ka dhayan rakhna hota hai, jaise

ki

> > > chhat na badle, ghar ki dahleej pujna (south face ) wale ke

liye

> > > jaroori hai.

> > >

> > > mahajan

> > > , " gill_hs2005 "

> > > <gill_hs2005@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Varun ji and kulbir ji,

> > > >

> > > > Sirs, thank you such a brilliant and detailed explanation. I

am

> > > > grateful for that.

> > > >

> > > > With respect,

> > > >

> > > > HS Gill

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " kulbir bance "

> > > > <kulbirbance@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Gurudev,

> > > > >

> > > > > thanks for this detailed explanation, i agree totally.

> > > > >

> > > > > sincerely

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > kulbirbance

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > On 5/4/08, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respected Gill Saheb,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In the first place let us understand that the upaya you

> have

> > > > > >

> > > > > > mentioned, immersing 8 itmes either as 4pieces of

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lead + 4 nariyals or 8 pieces of Lead, is a devised

upaya

> > > > > >

> > > > > > i.e. it has been devised by the Lal Kitab astrologers

> > > > > >

> > > > > > themselves. *This upaya is not mentioned in the book.*

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Let me explain:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *Rahu # 8:*

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1941 edition : No mention of this upaya

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1942 edition : No mention of this upaya

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1952 edition : page 674 note # 5

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " khote sikke [kharabshuda aur mande] jin ki bazaar

> > > > > >

> > > > > > mein kuchh keemat na ho aur zameen pat takarane

> > > > > >

> > > > > > se bilkul awaj na ho [ ya sikka,seesa,lead ] dariya

> > > > > >

> > > > > > mein dalte jana mubarik hoga [ taqreeban 8 sikke

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ya har roj ek taqreeban 43 din]

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [The book mentions 8 counterfeit coins in one day

> > > > > >

> > > > > > or a coin each day for 43 days. It mentions Lead

> > > > > >

> > > > > > or sikka or seesa too but it is probably in the

> > > > > >

> > > > > > context of the coins]

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *Rahu # 11*

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1941 edition : no mention

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1942 edition : no mention

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1952 edition : no mention

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *But the Hindi transliteration of 1942 edition *

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *[ Arun sanhita ] has added on its own :*

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For Rahu 8th : aath tukade sikke ke jinka vazan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 12 kilo ho dariya mein dalen

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For Rahu 11th : 4 kilo sikka tatha 4 pooja vale

> > > > > >

> > > > > > nariyal dariya mein dalen

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But the upaya of immersing 8 pieces of Lead / Nariyal

> > > > > >

> > > > > > or a mix there of is a perfectly logically devised upaya.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As Kulbir Ji has mentioned, Pt. Krishna Ashant ji &

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Amrita Preetam ji in their book " *Trik bhavanon ki

gatha* "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > have given a rationale of this upaya. Pt. Krishna

Ashant

> ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > maintains that the total quantity should be 8 in value

> > > > > >

> > > > > > where as it can be cut into pieces of 8, or 10 or

> > > > > >

> > > > > > depending on the house affected.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *Now let me explain the logic of this upaya*

> > > > > >

> > > > > > * as we have understood it :*

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The most important thing to remember is that this

> > > > > >

> > > > > > devised upaya is done only for Rahu in 8th and

> > > > > >

> > > > > > the 11th and for no other house.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Second thing to remember is the figure of 8

> > > > > >

> > > > > > in both the case. Therefore this figure is not

> > > > > >

> > > > > > related to the house the Rahu is posited in.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If that were so then the figure of 8 would not

> > > > > >

> > > > > > have been there for rahu in the 11th. It would

> > > > > >

> > > > > > have been 11 instead.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *Now does some thing ring a bell in the mind ?*

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What a figure of 8 be related to the 8th house

> > > > > >

> > > > > > and the 11th house?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Well, let me tell you.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rahu is moved 8 steps away.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Which is the 8th house from the 8th?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > And which is the 8th house from the 11th?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The answer is the 3rd and the 6th.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now by immersing a piece each day or

> > > > > >

> > > > > > immersing 8 pieces the same day for Rahu in

> > > > > >

> > > > > > the 8th, where does it take Rahu to?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > To the 3rd house of course.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Similarly, immersing 8 pieces for a rahu

> > > > > >

> > > > > > placed in the 11th where would it take it to?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > To the 6th house of course.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now Rahu can not be better placed than

> > > > > >

> > > > > > being in the 3rd or the 6th.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *Therefore the purpose of the upaya is to *

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *distance the Rahu such that it gets based*

> > > > > >

> > > > > > * in the best houses it can ever be.*

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now let me explain another issue that

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kulbir ji has raised.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Should the Nariyal be the one with water

> > > > > >

> > > > > > or the one which is completely dry.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In our opinion the Nariyal should be completely

> > > > > >

> > > > > > dry because the Nariyal is an ashiya of Shani.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Any thing with water [ moon ] can not be

> > > > > >

> > > > > > an ashiya of Shani. The Nariyal used in pooja

> > > > > >

> > > > > > is the one which is dry. Even otherwise Shani

> > > > > >

> > > > > > is considered a 'shushka grah' a dry planet.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Gill Saheb, it is not coconut. Coconut is the

> > > > > >

> > > > > > kernel. For upaya it is the Nariyal, which is

> > > > > >

> > > > > > the whole of it with coir intact.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It was definitely a very beautiful query.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " kulbirbance "

> > > > <kulbirbance@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Gill sahib,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > pt. Krishan ashant has beautifully explained rahu 11

> > > > > > > remedy in his book but your question has posed a new

> > > question

> > > > for

> > > > > > > me. i.e. shouls the 4 nariyals be sookhe khadkte hue or

> > > > containing

> > > > > > > water. i am in favour of cocunuts containing water

> because

> > > > water is

> > > > > > > entraped in the shell. lets see what varun ji has to

say

> > in

> > > > this

> > > > > > > regard. indeed very logical question has been put

forward

> > by

> > > > your

> > > > > > > goodself.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > sinccerely

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > kulbirbance

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

, " gill_hs2005 "

> > > > > > > gill_hs2005@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sirs,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > For Rahu there are different remedy suggested for

each

> > > house

> > > > > > > except

> > > > > > > > for house 8th and the 11th. For both these houses the

> > > remedy

> > > > is

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > same. In both cases 8 pieces have been advised to

flow

> > > into a

> > > > > > > river.

> > > > > > > > It could be 4 pieces of ranga and 4 coconuts, or 8

> > pieces

> > > of

> > > > > > > ranga.

> > > > > > > > Either way the total is 8 pieces.

> > > > > > > > Sir I can understand 8 pieces thrown in flowing water

> > for

> > > > Rahu in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > 8th house but what is the logic of throwing 8 pieces

> for

> > > > rahu in

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > 11th.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Respectfully,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > HS Gill

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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