Guest guest Posted May 16, 2008 Report Share Posted May 16, 2008 Respected Raheja ji, Thanks a lot for this information. Yes, what has been said in the Arun Sanhita, the same has been said in the 1952 urdu edition on page 414 last line " bachchon ko taqseem karen....agar koi waham kare to dariya mein dal deven " Regards, Varun Trivedi , " girish_raheja " <girish_raheja wrote: > > Respected Varun ji, > > You have quoted two statements from the book to show that flowing in > a river and gifting away is one and the same thing. > > I am quoting a third statement from the book. For Moon in the 11th > house the Arun Sanhita says that 121 pedas be distributed to > children and if some one feels any waham in accepting the pedas then > they should be thrown in the flowing water of the river. > > Here also distributing the pedas or gifting the pedas is one and the > same thing as nadi mein pravahit karna. > > This statement further confirms what you have said earlier. > > Respectfully, > > Girish Raheja > > > > > , " varun_trvd " > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kulbir Bhai, > > > > > > > > This is yet another fallacy created by Lal Kitab semi-literates. > > > > The fact is that immersing some thing in flowing water > > > > is not associated with the 4th house in any way. Immersing > > > > some thing in flowing water simply means distancing the > > > > effect of the planet. > > > > > > > > Let us see what Pt. Roopchand ji has to say about it. I am > > > > quoting two statements from the book: > > > > > > > > Mithai, meetha bhojan daan karen ya batashe dariyaa mein dalen > > > > > > > > Mooli daan karen ya koyale dariyaa mein baha den > > > > > > > > Now you can see for yourself that donating or gifting away > > > > has been used synonymously to drifting away in flowing water. > > > > > > > > The purpose is obvious, to distance away. > > > > > > > > These statements occur in both the 1942 and 1952 editions. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kulbirbance " > > <kulbirbance@> wrote: > > > > > > Gurudev Umesh Sharma ji, > > > > > > ise to aap hi spasht karenge, hum to aapki likhi kitabein > > > padhte hain, hum aapko kya spashtikaran denge, kripya aap ki > kasht > > > karein. > > > > > > regards > > > > > > kulbirbance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Umesh Sharma " > > > mudit982001@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Mahajan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Dariya main, ya nadi main, ya canal main Bahane ke upay se aap > ka > > > > kya tatprya hai? kya isse koi grah kisi ghar main sthapit hota > hey > > > > ya kuch aur hai? kripya kya aap esko spashat karainge? > > > > > > > > Thanks in Advance. > > > > > > > > Umesh Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " varun_trvd " > > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Aadarneeya Mahajan ji, > > > > > > > > > > ap ne likha hai > > > > > > > > > > " kyonki darya aur nehar ya chalta hua pani (saaf ) mein > bahut > > > > > antar hai, kulbir jee samajh gaye hain. " > > > > > > > > > > Mein yeh antar nahi samajh paya ki bahate dariya ke paani aur > > > > bahate > > > > > nahar ke paani mein kya antar ho sakta hai? > > > > > > > > > > Dono kism ke paani ki taseer kaise badal jatee hai? > > > > > > > > > > Kyonki jab tak taseer nahi badalti tab tak upaya ke prabhav > mein > > > > > farq nahi padna chahiye. Aur agar paani ki taseer vahi > rahati hai > > > > [ > > > > > yani dono Chadra ke karak ] to phir chahe nadi ka paani ho ya > > > > nahar > > > > > ka, koi farq nahi padega. > > > > > > > > > > Kripya ap hi bata den ki yah antar kya hai? aur kyon hua ? > > > > > > > > > > Aur agar Kulbir bhai samajh gaye hen to Kulbir bhai hi bata > den. > > > > > > > > > > Doosare prashna ka uttar to ap ne diya hi nahi. Surya 4 ke > samay > > > > > rahu ki ashiya na bahayee jaye aisa kahan kaha hai? > > > > > > > > > > Saadar sahit, > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " mts3434 " > <mts3434@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun jee > > > > > > > > > > > > baat yeh hai ki darya pandit jee ne kyon likha, behta pani > kyon > > > > > nahi > > > > > > likha. kyonki darya aur nehar ya chalta hua pani (saaf ) > mein > > > > bahut > > > > > > antar hai, kulbir jee samajh gaye hain. > > > > > > ab budh khana 9 mein dekhe, wahan unhone likha hai ki > darya ke > > > > pani > > > > > > ke cheente kapde par maare ya darya ke pani se kapde dhoye > ( > > > kora > > > > > > suit ). yahan par bhee woh nehar ka pani likh sakte thei.ya > > > apne > > > > > > kapde nehar mein dhoye( ya nehar ke paani ke cheente > mare ) abb > > > > > mein > > > > > > yahan par hoon wahan par mere paas lk nahi hai, nahi to > mein > > > > page > > > > > no > > > > > > ka udaaran de ke batata. lk mein kai jagah likha hua aapko > mil > > > > > > jayega ki upay aap behtey hue paani mein kare ( pravah ) ya > > > kisi > > > > > > jagah yeh saaf likha milega ki darya mein pravah karen. > mere > > > > khayal > > > > > > mein yahan darya likha wahan aapko darya mein hee upay > karna > > > > > chahiye > > > > > > yahan chalta paani likha ho wahan aap darya / nehar mein > karwa > > > > > sakte > > > > > > hain. baki aap sab mujhse zyada samazdar hain. meri aap > logo ke > > > > > aage > > > > > > kya aukat. meri adat likhne ki kum hai, issliye kai baar > apni > > > > baat > > > > > > sahi tarike se explain nahi kar pata. discuss kare to sahi > > > > tarike > > > > > se > > > > > > samjha sakta hoon. mera phone no shayad kulbir jee se mil > > > > > jayega.aap > > > > > > se baat karke ya mil kar bahut khushi hogi. > > > > > > > > > > > > mahajan > > > > > > , " varun_trvd " > > > > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Kulbir Bhai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When a karak object of a planet is immersed in flowing > water, > > > > it > > > > > > is > > > > > > > assumed that the effect of the planet has been distanced > > > away. > > > > > > > Flowing water is a medium or a carrier of the karak > object. > > > > > > > Therefore so long as the water is flowing water, as > against > > > > > > stagnant > > > > > > > water,it should be good enough. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It hardly makes a difference whether the flowing water > is of > > > a > > > > > > river > > > > > > > or a canal so long as the water carries away the karak > object > > > > of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " kulbirbance " > > > > > > > <kulbirbance@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > respected Mahajan Sahib; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the copncept of dariya and canal appealed > > > > > > > > to me. dariya is a natural running source of water but > in > > > > case > > > > > > of a > > > > > > > > canal, water is first stored; read stopped, then sent > in > > > > > > > > artificially created chanel, varun ji can elaborare on > this > > > > > > issue > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > detail, but it appealled to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kulbirbance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " mts3434 " > > > > > <mts3434@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > varun jee/ kulbir jee/ gill jee > > > > > > > > > kripya yeh bhee dhayan rakhe ki jab led/sikka/ranga > > > dariya > > > > me > > > > > > > > pravah > > > > > > > > > kar rahen ho uss samay suraj ( sun ) khana number 4 > mein > > > na > > > > > > ho . > > > > > > > > ya > > > > > > > > > jis saal yeh upay karna ho uss saal suraj khana no. 4 > > > mein > > > > na > > > > > > ho. > > > > > > > > > aur yeh upay driya mein hee karna hai nehar mein > nahi.yeh > > > > to > > > > > > hai > > > > > > > > > upay baki aur bhee kai baaton ka dhayan rakhna hota > hai, > > > > > jaise > > > > > > ki > > > > > > > > > chhat na badle, ghar ki dahleej pujna (south face ) > wale > > > ke > > > > > > liye > > > > > > > > > jaroori hai. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mahajan > > > > > > > > > --- In > , " gill_hs2005 " > > > > > > > > > <gill_hs2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Varun ji and kulbir ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sirs, thank you such a brilliant and detailed > > > > explanation. > > > > > I > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > grateful for that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With respect, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HS Gill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " kulbir > > > > bance " > > > > > > > > > > <kulbirbance@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gurudev, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks for this detailed explanation, i agree > > > totally. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kulbirbance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/4/08, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Gill Saheb, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the first place let us understand that the > upaya > > > > you > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned, immersing 8 itmes either as 4pieces > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lead + 4 nariyals or 8 pieces of Lead, is a > > > devised > > > > > > upaya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i.e. it has been devised by the Lal Kitab > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > themselves. *This upaya is not mentioned in the > > > > book.* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me explain: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Rahu # 8:* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1941 edition : No mention of this upaya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1942 edition : No mention of this upaya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1952 edition : page 674 note # 5 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " khote sikke [kharabshuda aur mande] jin ki > bazaar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mein kuchh keemat na ho aur zameen pat takarane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > se bilkul awaj na ho [ ya sikka,seesa,lead ] > dariya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mein dalte jana mubarik hoga [ taqreeban 8 > sikke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ya har roj ek taqreeban 43 din] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [The book mentions 8 counterfeit coins in one > day > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or a coin each day for 43 days. It mentions > Lead > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or sikka or seesa too but it is probably in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > context of the coins] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Rahu # 11* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1941 edition : no mention > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1942 edition : no mention > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1952 edition : no mention > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *But the Hindi transliteration of 1942 edition > * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *[ Arun sanhita ] has added on its own :* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Rahu 8th : aath tukade sikke ke jinka vazan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12 kilo ho dariya mein dalen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Rahu 11th : 4 kilo sikka tatha 4 pooja vale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nariyal dariya mein dalen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But the upaya of immersing 8 pieces of Lead / > > > Nariyal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or a mix there of is a perfectly logically > devised > > > > > upaya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Kulbir Ji has mentioned, Pt. Krishna Ashant > ji & > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amrita Preetam ji in their book " *Trik > bhavanon ki > > > > > > gatha* " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have given a rationale of this upaya. Pt. > Krishna > > > > > > Ashant > > > > > > > ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maintains that the total quantity should be 8 > in > > > > value > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where as it can be cut into pieces of 8, or 10 > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > depending on the house affected. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Now let me explain the logic of this upaya* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * as we have understood it :* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The most important thing to remember is that > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > devised upaya is done only for Rahu in 8th and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 11th and for no other house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Second thing to remember is the figure of 8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in both the case. Therefore this figure is not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > related to the house the Rahu is posited in. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If that were so then the figure of 8 would not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been there for rahu in the 11th. It would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been 11 instead. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Now does some thing ring a bell in the mind ?* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What a figure of 8 be related to the 8th house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the 11th house? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, let me tell you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is moved 8 steps away. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which is the 8th house from the 8th? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And which is the 8th house from the 11th? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The answer is the 3rd and the 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now by immersing a piece each day or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > immersing 8 pieces the same day for Rahu in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 8th, where does it take Rahu to? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To the 3rd house of course. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly, immersing 8 pieces for a rahu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in the 11th where would it take it to? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To the 6th house of course. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now Rahu can not be better placed than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being in the 3rd or the 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Therefore the purpose of the upaya is to * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *distance the Rahu such that it gets based* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * in the best houses it can ever be.* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let me explain another issue that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir ji has raised. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Should the Nariyal be the one with water > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or the one which is completely dry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In our opinion the Nariyal should be completely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dry because the Nariyal is an ashiya of Shani. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any thing with water [ moon ] can not be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an ashiya of Shani. The Nariyal used in pooja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is the one which is dry. Even otherwise Shani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is considered a 'shushka grah' a dry planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gill Saheb, it is not coconut. Coconut is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kernel. For upaya it is the Nariyal, which is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the whole of it with coir intact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was definitely a very beautiful query. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > , " kulbirbance " > > > > > > > > > > <kulbirbance@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gill sahib, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pt. Krishan ashant has beautifully explained > rahu > > > > 11 > > > > > > > > > > > > > remedy in his book but your question has > posed a > > > > new > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. i.e. shouls the 4 nariyals be sookhe > khadkte > > > > hue > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > containing > > > > > > > > > > > > > water. i am in favour of cocunuts containing > > > water > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > water is > > > > > > > > > > > > > entraped in the shell. lets see what varun > ji has > > > > to > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > regard. indeed very logical question has > been put > > > > > > forward > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > goodself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sinccerely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kulbirbance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > , " gill_hs2005 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > gill_hs2005@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sirs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Rahu there are different remedy > suggested > > > for > > > > > > each > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > except > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for house 8th and the 11th. For both these > > > > houses > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > remedy > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. In both cases 8 pieces have been > advised > > > to > > > > > > flow > > > > > > > > > into a > > > > > > > > > > > > > river. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It could be 4 pieces of ranga and 4 > coconuts, > > > or > > > > 8 > > > > > > > > pieces > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > ranga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either way the total is 8 pieces. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir I can understand 8 pieces thrown in > flowing > > > > > water > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > Rahu in > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th house but what is the logic of > throwing 8 > > > > > pieces > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > rahu in > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HS Gill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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