Guest guest Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 Varun jee Aise to mangal khana no 6 bhee dekhe wahan bhee yehi hai.Bhai ko apni kamai se ................. lekin agar apne better result lena hai to apko khoe ke pede bacho mein taqseem karne chahiye yahan par sirf waham ki halat mein hee darya me dale likha hai.Agar aise hone lag jaye to kya aap shani khana no 6 ke liye bhee yehi karenge kya aap leather (chamre)ki juti ko jal pravah karenge agar bhangi ( sweeper ) innkaar kare to ????????????? Mahajan -- In , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > Respected Raheja ji, > > Thanks a lot for this information. > > Yes, what has been said in the Arun Sanhita, the same has been said > in the 1952 urdu edition on page 414 last line " bachchon ko taqseem > karen....agar koi waham kare to dariya mein dal deven " > > Regards, > > Varun Trivedi > > > > , " girish_raheja " > <girish_raheja@> wrote: > > > > Respected Varun ji, > > > > You have quoted two statements from the book to show that flowing > in > > a river and gifting away is one and the same thing. > > > > I am quoting a third statement from the book. For Moon in the 11th > > house the Arun Sanhita says that 121 pedas be distributed to > > children and if some one feels any waham in accepting the pedas > then > > they should be thrown in the flowing water of the river. > > > > Here also distributing the pedas or gifting the pedas is one and > the > > same thing as nadi mein pravahit karna. > > > > This statement further confirms what you have said earlier. > > > > Respectfully, > > > > Girish Raheja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " varun_trvd " > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir Bhai, > > > > > > > > > > > > This is yet another fallacy created by Lal Kitab semi-literates. > > > > > > The fact is that immersing some thing in flowing water > > > > > > is not associated with the 4th house in any way. Immersing > > > > > > some thing in flowing water simply means distancing the > > > > > > effect of the planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us see what Pt. Roopchand ji has to say about it. I am > > > > > > quoting two statements from the book: > > > > > > > > > > > > Mithai, meetha bhojan daan karen ya batashe dariyaa mein dalen > > > > > > > > > > > > Mooli daan karen ya koyale dariyaa mein baha den > > > > > > > > > > > > Now you can see for yourself that donating or gifting away > > > > > > has been used synonymously to drifting away in flowing water. > > > > > > > > > > > > The purpose is obvious, to distance away. > > > > > > > > > > > > These statements occur in both the 1942 and 1952 editions. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kulbirbance " > > > <kulbirbance@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Gurudev Umesh Sharma ji, > > > > > > > > ise to aap hi spasht karenge, hum to aapki likhi kitabein > > > > padhte hain, hum aapko kya spashtikaran denge, kripya aap ki > > kasht > > > > karein. > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > kulbirbance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Umesh Sharma " > > > > mudit982001@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Respected Mahajan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dariya main, ya nadi main, ya canal main Bahane ke upay se > aap > > ka > > > > > kya tatprya hai? kya isse koi grah kisi ghar main sthapit > hota > > hey > > > > > ya kuch aur hai? kripya kya aap esko spashat karainge? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in Advance. > > > > > > > > > > Umesh Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " varun_trvd " > > > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Aadarneeya Mahajan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > ap ne likha hai > > > > > > > > > > > > " kyonki darya aur nehar ya chalta hua pani (saaf ) mein > > bahut > > > > > > antar hai, kulbir jee samajh gaye hain. " > > > > > > > > > > > > Mein yeh antar nahi samajh paya ki bahate dariya ke paani > aur > > > > > bahate > > > > > > nahar ke paani mein kya antar ho sakta hai? > > > > > > > > > > > > Dono kism ke paani ki taseer kaise badal jatee hai? > > > > > > > > > > > > Kyonki jab tak taseer nahi badalti tab tak upaya ke > prabhav > > mein > > > > > > farq nahi padna chahiye. Aur agar paani ki taseer vahi > > rahati hai > > > > > [ > > > > > > yani dono Chadra ke karak ] to phir chahe nadi ka paani ho > ya > > > > > nahar > > > > > > ka, koi farq nahi padega. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kripya ap hi bata den ki yah antar kya hai? aur kyon hua ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Aur agar Kulbir bhai samajh gaye hen to Kulbir bhai hi > bata > > den. > > > > > > > > > > > > Doosare prashna ka uttar to ap ne diya hi nahi. Surya 4 ke > > samay > > > > > > rahu ki ashiya na bahayee jaye aisa kahan kaha hai? > > > > > > > > > > > > Saadar sahit, > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " mts3434 " > > <mts3434@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun jee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > baat yeh hai ki darya pandit jee ne kyon likha, behta > pani > > kyon > > > > > > nahi > > > > > > > likha. kyonki darya aur nehar ya chalta hua pani (saaf ) > > mein > > > > > bahut > > > > > > > antar hai, kulbir jee samajh gaye hain. > > > > > > > ab budh khana 9 mein dekhe, wahan unhone likha hai ki > > darya ke > > > > > pani > > > > > > > ke cheente kapde par maare ya darya ke pani se kapde > dhoye > > ( > > > > kora > > > > > > > suit ). yahan par bhee woh nehar ka pani likh sakte > thei.ya > > > > apne > > > > > > > kapde nehar mein dhoye( ya nehar ke paani ke cheente > > mare ) abb > > > > > > mein > > > > > > > yahan par hoon wahan par mere paas lk nahi hai, nahi to > > mein > > > > > page > > > > > > no > > > > > > > ka udaaran de ke batata. lk mein kai jagah likha hua > aapko > > mil > > > > > > > jayega ki upay aap behtey hue paani mein kare ( pravah ) > ya > > > > kisi > > > > > > > jagah yeh saaf likha milega ki darya mein pravah karen. > > mere > > > > > khayal > > > > > > > mein yahan darya likha wahan aapko darya mein hee upay > > karna > > > > > > chahiye > > > > > > > yahan chalta paani likha ho wahan aap darya / nehar mein > > karwa > > > > > > sakte > > > > > > > hain. baki aap sab mujhse zyada samazdar hain. meri aap > > logo ke > > > > > > aage > > > > > > > kya aukat. meri adat likhne ki kum hai, issliye kai baar > > apni > > > > > baat > > > > > > > sahi tarike se explain nahi kar pata. discuss kare to > sahi > > > > > tarike > > > > > > se > > > > > > > samjha sakta hoon. mera phone no shayad kulbir jee se mil > > > > > > jayega.aap > > > > > > > se baat karke ya mil kar bahut khushi hogi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mahajan > > > > > > > , " varun_trvd " > > > > > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Kulbir Bhai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When a karak object of a planet is immersed in flowing > > water, > > > > > it > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > assumed that the effect of the planet has been > distanced > > > > away. > > > > > > > > Flowing water is a medium or a carrier of the karak > > object. > > > > > > > > Therefore so long as the water is flowing water, as > > against > > > > > > > stagnant > > > > > > > > water,it should be good enough. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It hardly makes a difference whether the flowing water > > is of > > > > a > > > > > > > river > > > > > > > > or a canal so long as the water carries away the karak > > object > > > > > of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , " kulbirbance " > > > > > > > > <kulbirbance@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > respected Mahajan Sahib; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the copncept of dariya and canal appealed > > > > > > > > > to me. dariya is a natural running source of water > but > > in > > > > > case > > > > > > > of a > > > > > > > > > canal, water is first stored; read stopped, then > sent > > in > > > > > > > > > artificially created chanel, varun ji can elaborare > on > > this > > > > > > > issue > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > detail, but it appealled to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kulbirbance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " mts3434 " > > > > > > <mts3434@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > varun jee/ kulbir jee/ gill jee > > > > > > > > > > kripya yeh bhee dhayan rakhe ki jab led/sikka/ranga > > > > dariya > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > pravah > > > > > > > > > > kar rahen ho uss samay suraj ( sun ) khana number > 4 > > mein > > > > na > > > > > > > ho . > > > > > > > > > ya > > > > > > > > > > jis saal yeh upay karna ho uss saal suraj khana > no. 4 > > > > mein > > > > > na > > > > > > > ho. > > > > > > > > > > aur yeh upay driya mein hee karna hai nehar mein > > nahi.yeh > > > > > to > > > > > > > hai > > > > > > > > > > upay baki aur bhee kai baaton ka dhayan rakhna > hota > > hai, > > > > > > jaise > > > > > > > ki > > > > > > > > > > chhat na badle, ghar ki dahleej pujna (south > face ) > > wale > > > > ke > > > > > > > liye > > > > > > > > > > jaroori hai. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mahajan > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , " gill_hs2005 " > > > > > > > > > > <gill_hs2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Varun ji and kulbir ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sirs, thank you such a brilliant and detailed > > > > > explanation. > > > > > > I > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > grateful for that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With respect, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HS Gill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , " kulbir > > > > > bance " > > > > > > > > > > > <kulbirbance@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gurudev, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks for this detailed explanation, i agree > > > > totally. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kulbirbance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/4/08, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Gill Saheb, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the first place let us understand that > the > > upaya > > > > > you > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned, immersing 8 itmes either as > 4pieces > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lead + 4 nariyals or 8 pieces of Lead, is a > > > > devised > > > > > > > upaya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i.e. it has been devised by the Lal Kitab > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > themselves. *This upaya is not mentioned in > the > > > > > book.* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me explain: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Rahu # 8:* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1941 edition : No mention of this upaya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1942 edition : No mention of this upaya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1952 edition : page 674 note # 5 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " khote sikke [kharabshuda aur mande] jin ki > > bazaar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mein kuchh keemat na ho aur zameen pat > takarane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > se bilkul awaj na ho [ ya sikka,seesa,lead ] > > dariya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mein dalte jana mubarik hoga [ taqreeban 8 > > sikke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ya har roj ek taqreeban 43 din] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [The book mentions 8 counterfeit coins in > one > > day > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or a coin each day for 43 days. It mentions > > Lead > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or sikka or seesa too but it is probably in > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > context of the coins] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Rahu # 11* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1941 edition : no mention > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1942 edition : no mention > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1952 edition : no mention > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *But the Hindi transliteration of 1942 > edition > > * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *[ Arun sanhita ] has added on its own :* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Rahu 8th : aath tukade sikke ke jinka > vazan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12 kilo ho dariya mein dalen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Rahu 11th : 4 kilo sikka tatha 4 pooja > vale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nariyal dariya mein dalen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But the upaya of immersing 8 pieces of Lead / > > > > Nariyal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or a mix there of is a perfectly logically > > devised > > > > > > upaya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Kulbir Ji has mentioned, Pt. Krishna > Ashant > > ji & > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amrita Preetam ji in their book " *Trik > > bhavanon ki > > > > > > > gatha* " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have given a rationale of this upaya. Pt. > > Krishna > > > > > > > Ashant > > > > > > > > ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maintains that the total quantity should be > 8 > > in > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where as it can be cut into pieces of 8, or > 10 > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > depending on the house affected. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Now let me explain the logic of this upaya* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * as we have understood it :* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The most important thing to remember is that > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > devised upaya is done only for Rahu in 8th > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 11th and for no other house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Second thing to remember is the figure of 8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in both the case. Therefore this figure is > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > related to the house the Rahu is posited in. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If that were so then the figure of 8 would > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been there for rahu in the 11th. It > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been 11 instead. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Now does some thing ring a bell in the > mind ?* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What a figure of 8 be related to the 8th > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the 11th house? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, let me tell you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is moved 8 steps away. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which is the 8th house from the 8th? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And which is the 8th house from the 11th? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The answer is the 3rd and the 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now by immersing a piece each day or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > immersing 8 pieces the same day for Rahu in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 8th, where does it take Rahu to? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To the 3rd house of course. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly, immersing 8 pieces for a rahu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in the 11th where would it take it to? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To the 6th house of course. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now Rahu can not be better placed than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being in the 3rd or the 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Therefore the purpose of the upaya is to * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *distance the Rahu such that it gets based* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * in the best houses it can ever be.* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let me explain another issue that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir ji has raised. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Should the Nariyal be the one with water > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or the one which is completely dry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In our opinion the Nariyal should be > completely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dry because the Nariyal is an ashiya of > Shani. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any thing with water [ moon ] can not be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an ashiya of Shani. The Nariyal used in pooja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is the one which is dry. Even otherwise Shani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is considered a 'shushka grah' a dry planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gill Saheb, it is not coconut. Coconut is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kernel. For upaya it is the Nariyal, which is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the whole of it with coir intact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was definitely a very beautiful query. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > , " kulbirbance " > > > > > > > > > > > <kulbirbance@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gill sahib, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pt. Krishan ashant has beautifully > explained > > rahu > > > > > 11 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remedy in his book but your question has > > posed a > > > > > new > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. i.e. shouls the 4 nariyals be sookhe > > khadkte > > > > > hue > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > containing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > water. i am in favour of cocunuts > containing > > > > water > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > water is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entraped in the shell. lets see what varun > > ji has > > > > > to > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regard. indeed very logical question has > > been put > > > > > > > forward > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > goodself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sinccerely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kulbirbance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > , " gill_hs2005 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gill_hs2005@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sirs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Rahu there are different remedy > > suggested > > > > for > > > > > > > each > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for house 8th and the 11th. For both > these > > > > > houses > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > remedy > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. In both cases 8 pieces have been > > advised > > > > to > > > > > > > flow > > > > > > > > > > into a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > river. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It could be 4 pieces of ranga and 4 > > coconuts, > > > > or > > > > > 8 > > > > > > > > > pieces > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ranga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either way the total is 8 pieces. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir I can understand 8 pieces thrown in > > flowing > > > > > > water > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th house but what is the logic of > > throwing 8 > > > > > > pieces > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > rahu in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HS Gill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 Respected Mahajan ji, Yes, what you have quoted for Mars in #6 confirms what we have been saying. It simply means that the Jatak should either gift it to his brother or if he refuses to accept then should immerse it in water. This act on behalf of the jatak will amount to donating. Donating is one of the age old Indian tradition to appease a planet which has been valued by Vedic astrology. About the shoes being immersed in a river: Yes, why not? If lead pieces for rahu, Sabut Urad for Saturn can be immersed in a river then why can't the shoes be immersed in a river? If some one refuses to accept your donation, be it a sweeper, then it will be perfectly justified to immerse it in a river. If we can immerse Sabut Urad then why not the shoes? Both being karaks of the Saturn. Regards, Varun Trivedi , " mts3434 " <mts3434 wrote: > > Varun jee > Aise to mangal khana no 6 bhee dekhe wahan bhee yehi hai.Bhai ko apni > kamai se ................. > lekin agar apne better result lena hai to apko khoe ke pede bacho mein > taqseem karne chahiye > yahan par sirf waham ki halat mein hee darya me dale likha hai.Agar > aise hone lag jaye to kya aap shani khana no 6 ke liye bhee yehi karenge > kya aap leather (chamre)ki juti ko jal pravah karenge agar bhangi ( > sweeper ) innkaar kare to ????????????? > > Mahajan > -- In , " varun_trvd " > varun_trvd@ wrote: > > > > Respected Raheja ji, > > > > Thanks a lot for this information. > > > > Yes, what has been said in the Arun Sanhita, the same has been said > > in the 1952 urdu edition on page 414 last line " bachchon ko taqseem > > karen....agar koi waham kare to dariya mein dal deven " > > > > Regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " girish_raheja " > > <girish_raheja@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Varun ji, > > > > > > You have quoted two statements from the book to show that flowing > > in > > > a river and gifting away is one and the same thing. > > > > > > I am quoting a third statement from the book. For Moon in the 11th > > > house the Arun Sanhita says that 121 pedas be distributed to > > > children and if some one feels any waham in accepting the pedas > > then > > > they should be thrown in the flowing water of the river. > > > > > > Here also distributing the pedas or gifting the pedas is one and > > the > > > same thing as nadi mein pravahit karna. > > > > > > This statement further confirms what you have said earlier. > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > > > > Girish Raheja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " varun_trvd " > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir Bhai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is yet another fallacy created by Lal Kitab semi-literates. > > > > > > > > The fact is that immersing some thing in flowing water > > > > > > > > is not associated with the 4th house in any way. Immersing > > > > > > > > some thing in flowing water simply means distancing the > > > > > > > > effect of the planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us see what Pt. Roopchand ji has to say about it. I am > > > > > > > > quoting two statements from the book: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mithai, meetha bhojan daan karen ya batashe dariyaa mein dalen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mooli daan karen ya koyale dariyaa mein baha den > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now you can see for yourself that donating or gifting away > > > > > > > > has been used synonymously to drifting away in flowing water. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The purpose is obvious, to distance away. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These statements occur in both the 1942 and 1952 editions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kulbirbance " > > > > <kulbirbance@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Gurudev Umesh Sharma ji, > > > > > > > > > > ise to aap hi spasht karenge, hum to aapki likhi kitabein > > > > > padhte hain, hum aapko kya spashtikaran denge, kripya aap ki > > > kasht > > > > > karein. > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > kulbirbance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Umesh Sharma " > > > > > mudit982001@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Mahajan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dariya main, ya nadi main, ya canal main Bahane ke upay se > > aap > > > ka > > > > > > kya tatprya hai? kya isse koi grah kisi ghar main sthapit > > hota > > > hey > > > > > > ya kuch aur hai? kripya kya aap esko spashat karainge? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in Advance. > > > > > > > > > > > > Umesh Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " varun_trvd " > > > > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aadarneeya Mahajan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ap ne likha hai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " kyonki darya aur nehar ya chalta hua pani (saaf ) mein > > > bahut > > > > > > > antar hai, kulbir jee samajh gaye hain. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mein yeh antar nahi samajh paya ki bahate dariya ke paani > > aur > > > > > > bahate > > > > > > > nahar ke paani mein kya antar ho sakta hai? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dono kism ke paani ki taseer kaise badal jatee hai? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kyonki jab tak taseer nahi badalti tab tak upaya ke > > prabhav > > > mein > > > > > > > farq nahi padna chahiye. Aur agar paani ki taseer vahi > > > rahati hai > > > > > > [ > > > > > > > yani dono Chadra ke karak ] to phir chahe nadi ka paani ho > > ya > > > > > > nahar > > > > > > > ka, koi farq nahi padega. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kripya ap hi bata den ki yah antar kya hai? aur kyon hua ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aur agar Kulbir bhai samajh gaye hen to Kulbir bhai hi > > bata > > > den. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Doosare prashna ka uttar to ap ne diya hi nahi. Surya 4 ke > > > samay > > > > > > > rahu ki ashiya na bahayee jaye aisa kahan kaha hai? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saadar sahit, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " mts3434 " > > > <mts3434@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun jee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > baat yeh hai ki darya pandit jee ne kyon likha, behta > > pani > > > kyon > > > > > > > nahi > > > > > > > > likha. kyonki darya aur nehar ya chalta hua pani (saaf ) > > > mein > > > > > > bahut > > > > > > > > antar hai, kulbir jee samajh gaye hain. > > > > > > > > ab budh khana 9 mein dekhe, wahan unhone likha hai ki > > > darya ke > > > > > > pani > > > > > > > > ke cheente kapde par maare ya darya ke pani se kapde > > dhoye > > > ( > > > > > kora > > > > > > > > suit ). yahan par bhee woh nehar ka pani likh sakte > > thei.ya > > > > > apne > > > > > > > > kapde nehar mein dhoye( ya nehar ke paani ke cheente > > > mare ) abb > > > > > > > mein > > > > > > > > yahan par hoon wahan par mere paas lk nahi hai, nahi to > > > mein > > > > > > page > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > ka udaaran de ke batata. lk mein kai jagah likha hua > > aapko > > > mil > > > > > > > > jayega ki upay aap behtey hue paani mein kare ( pravah ) > > ya > > > > > kisi > > > > > > > > jagah yeh saaf likha milega ki darya mein pravah karen. > > > mere > > > > > > khayal > > > > > > > > mein yahan darya likha wahan aapko darya mein hee upay > > > karna > > > > > > > chahiye > > > > > > > > yahan chalta paani likha ho wahan aap darya / nehar mein > > > karwa > > > > > > > sakte > > > > > > > > hain. baki aap sab mujhse zyada samazdar hain. meri aap > > > logo ke > > > > > > > aage > > > > > > > > kya aukat. meri adat likhne ki kum hai, issliye kai baar > > > apni > > > > > > baat > > > > > > > > sahi tarike se explain nahi kar pata. discuss kare to > > sahi > > > > > > tarike > > > > > > > se > > > > > > > > samjha sakta hoon. mera phone no shayad kulbir jee se mil > > > > > > > jayega.aap > > > > > > > > se baat karke ya mil kar bahut khushi hogi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mahajan > > > > > > > > , " varun_trvd " > > > > > > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Kulbir Bhai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When a karak object of a planet is immersed in flowing > > > water, > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > assumed that the effect of the planet has been > > distanced > > > > > away. > > > > > > > > > Flowing water is a medium or a carrier of the karak > > > object. > > > > > > > > > Therefore so long as the water is flowing water, as > > > against > > > > > > > > stagnant > > > > > > > > > water,it should be good enough. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It hardly makes a difference whether the flowing water > > > is of > > > > > a > > > > > > > > river > > > > > > > > > or a canal so long as the water carries away the karak > > > object > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , " kulbirbance " > > > > > > > > > <kulbirbance@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > respected Mahajan Sahib; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the copncept of dariya and canal appealed > > > > > > > > > > to me. dariya is a natural running source of water > > but > > > in > > > > > > case > > > > > > > > of a > > > > > > > > > > canal, water is first stored; read stopped, then > > sent > > > in > > > > > > > > > > artificially created chanel, varun ji can elaborare > > on > > > this > > > > > > > > issue > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > detail, but it appealled to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kulbirbance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " mts3434 " > > > > > > > <mts3434@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > varun jee/ kulbir jee/ gill jee > > > > > > > > > > > kripya yeh bhee dhayan rakhe ki jab led/sikka/ranga > > > > > dariya > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > pravah > > > > > > > > > > > kar rahen ho uss samay suraj ( sun ) khana number > > 4 > > > mein > > > > > na > > > > > > > > ho . > > > > > > > > > > ya > > > > > > > > > > > jis saal yeh upay karna ho uss saal suraj khana > > no. 4 > > > > > mein > > > > > > na > > > > > > > > ho. > > > > > > > > > > > aur yeh upay driya mein hee karna hai nehar mein > > > nahi.yeh > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > hai > > > > > > > > > > > upay baki aur bhee kai baaton ka dhayan rakhna > > hota > > > hai, > > > > > > > jaise > > > > > > > > ki > > > > > > > > > > > chhat na badle, ghar ki dahleej pujna (south > > face ) > > > wale > > > > > ke > > > > > > > > liye > > > > > > > > > > > jaroori hai. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mahajan > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > , " gill_hs2005 " > > > > > > > > > > > <gill_hs2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Varun ji and kulbir ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sirs, thank you such a brilliant and detailed > > > > > > explanation. > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > > > grateful for that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With respect, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HS Gill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > , " kulbir > > > > > > bance " > > > > > > > > > > > > <kulbirbance@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gurudev, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks for this detailed explanation, i agree > > > > > totally. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kulbirbance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/4/08, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Gill Saheb, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the first place let us understand that > > the > > > upaya > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned, immersing 8 itmes either as > > 4pieces > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lead + 4 nariyals or 8 pieces of Lead, is a > > > > > devised > > > > > > > > upaya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i.e. it has been devised by the Lal Kitab > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > themselves. *This upaya is not mentioned in > > the > > > > > > book.* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me explain: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Rahu # 8:* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1941 edition : No mention of this upaya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1942 edition : No mention of this upaya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1952 edition : page 674 note # 5 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " khote sikke [kharabshuda aur mande] jin ki > > > bazaar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mein kuchh keemat na ho aur zameen pat > > takarane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > se bilkul awaj na ho [ ya sikka,seesa,lead ] > > > dariya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mein dalte jana mubarik hoga [ taqreeban 8 > > > sikke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ya har roj ek taqreeban 43 din] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [The book mentions 8 counterfeit coins in > > one > > > day > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or a coin each day for 43 days. It mentions > > > Lead > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or sikka or seesa too but it is probably in > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > context of the coins] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Rahu # 11* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1941 edition : no mention > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1942 edition : no mention > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1952 edition : no mention > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *But the Hindi transliteration of 1942 > > edition > > > * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *[ Arun sanhita ] has added on its own :* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Rahu 8th : aath tukade sikke ke jinka > > vazan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12 kilo ho dariya mein dalen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Rahu 11th : 4 kilo sikka tatha 4 pooja > > vale > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nariyal dariya mein dalen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But the upaya of immersing 8 pieces of Lead / > > > > > Nariyal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or a mix there of is a perfectly logically > > > devised > > > > > > > upaya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Kulbir Ji has mentioned, Pt. Krishna > > Ashant > > > ji & > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amrita Preetam ji in their book " *Trik > > > bhavanon ki > > > > > > > > gatha* " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have given a rationale of this upaya. Pt. > > > Krishna > > > > > > > > Ashant > > > > > > > > > ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maintains that the total quantity should be > > 8 > > > in > > > > > > value > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where as it can be cut into pieces of 8, or > > 10 > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > depending on the house affected. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Now let me explain the logic of this upaya* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * as we have understood it :* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The most important thing to remember is that > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > devised upaya is done only for Rahu in 8th > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 11th and for no other house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Second thing to remember is the figure of 8 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in both the case. Therefore this figure is > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > related to the house the Rahu is posited in. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If that were so then the figure of 8 would > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been there for rahu in the 11th. It > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been 11 instead. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Now does some thing ring a bell in the > > mind ?* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What a figure of 8 be related to the 8th > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the 11th house? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, let me tell you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is moved 8 steps away. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which is the 8th house from the 8th? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And which is the 8th house from the 11th? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The answer is the 3rd and the 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now by immersing a piece each day or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > immersing 8 pieces the same day for Rahu in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 8th, where does it take Rahu to? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To the 3rd house of course. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly, immersing 8 pieces for a rahu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in the 11th where would it take it to? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To the 6th house of course. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now Rahu can not be better placed than > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being in the 3rd or the 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Therefore the purpose of the upaya is to * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *distance the Rahu such that it gets based* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * in the best houses it can ever be.* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let me explain another issue that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir ji has raised. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Should the Nariyal be the one with water > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or the one which is completely dry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In our opinion the Nariyal should be > > completely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dry because the Nariyal is an ashiya of > > Shani. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any thing with water [ moon ] can not be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an ashiya of Shani. The Nariyal used in pooja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is the one which is dry. Even otherwise Shani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is considered a 'shushka grah' a dry planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gill Saheb, it is not coconut. Coconut is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kernel. For upaya it is the Nariyal, which is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the whole of it with coir intact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was definitely a very beautiful query. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > , " kulbirbance " > > > > > > > > > > > > <kulbirbance@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gill sahib, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pt. Krishan ashant has beautifully > > explained > > > rahu > > > > > > 11 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remedy in his book but your question has > > > posed a > > > > > > new > > > > > > > > > > > question > > > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. i.e. shouls the 4 nariyals be sookhe > > > khadkte > > > > > > hue > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > containing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > water. i am in favour of cocunuts > > containing > > > > > water > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > water is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entraped in the shell. lets see what varun > > > ji has > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regard. indeed very logical question has > > > been put > > > > > > > > forward > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > goodself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sinccerely > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kulbirbance > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > , " gill_hs2005 " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gill_hs2005@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sirs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Rahu there are different remedy > > > suggested > > > > > for > > > > > > > > each > > > > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for house 8th and the 11th. For both > > these > > > > > > houses > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > remedy > > > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. In both cases 8 pieces have been > > > advised > > > > > to > > > > > > > > flow > > > > > > > > > > > into a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > river. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It could be 4 pieces of ranga and 4 > > > coconuts, > > > > > or > > > > > > 8 > > > > > > > > > > pieces > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ranga. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either way the total is 8 pieces. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir I can understand 8 pieces thrown in > > > flowing > > > > > > > water > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th house but what is the logic of > > > throwing 8 > > > > > > > pieces > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > > > rahu in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respectfully, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HS Gill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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