River vs Canal water /samandar / Kubir ji

May 19, 2008

Dear Kulbir bhai,

Samandar denotes an area, a place, a location and hence Pandit ji

designated a house [ khana ] for it. Where as ' dariya ka pani'

river water is not an area, a place or a location; instead it is a

kind or quality of water; a kind of water different from spring

water, water from a well etc. Since 'dariya ka pani' is not a place

or an area or a location, a house [ khana ] can not be designated to

it. As a lawyer you can understand the difference.

Have a nice day,

Varun

, " kulbir bance "

<kulbirbance wrote:

>

> Gurudev,

>

> what i am trying to convey is that if 9th house was taken as

> samandar then why can't dariya ka pani be denoted as house no4.

>

> sincerely

>

> kulbirbance

>

On 5/15/08, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote:

> >

> > Dear Kulbir bhai,

> >

> > In that case the samandar was not used as a carrier of the karak

> > object, some thing that carries away the effects. Instead it was

> > used as denoting the 9th house. If you remember the upaya

suugested

> > was to immerse in a samandar a silver figurine of a lady for

venus

> > placed in the 9th house.

> >

> > Yes, samandar as a huge store of water can be included.

> >

> > I hope I had understood your request correctly.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Varun Trivedi

> >

> > <%

40>,

> > " kulbirbance "

> > <kulbirbance@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Varun ji,

> > >

> > > it would be appropriate if the upaye of samandar as

> > > written in kundali sent by umesh ji be included in this

discusion

> > > while determining taseer of water.

> > >

> > > regards

> > >

> > > kulbirbance

> > >

> > > <%

40>,

> > " varun_trvd "

> > > <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Aadarneeya Mahajan ji,

> > > >

> > > > You have said " lk mein kahin na kahin zaroor likha hai,

> > > > ki iss kitab ( lk ) mein jo upay likhe hain, sirf wohi karen,

> > apne

> > > > aap na upay na banaye. "

> > > >

> > > > We do not agree with that.

> > > >

> > > > To the best of our knowledge no such instructions are given

> > > >

> > > > in the Book that a Lal Kitab scholar can not formulate a new

> > > >

> > > > upaya. The Lal Kitab upaya are not 'Jaadoo Tona' which

> > > > have

> > > >

> > > > to stay as such and should not be modified or devised afresh.

> > > >

> > > > I am afraid, it is this attitude of some Lal Kitab followers

> > > which

> > > >

> > > > made other astrologers believe that the Lal Kitab is not a

book

> > > >

> > > > of astrology and instead it is a book of 'Totka & Tonas'.

> > > > It is

> > > >

> > > > this general perception that we are trying hard to dispel.

> > > >

> > > > We do not treat the Lal Kitab as a closed system. We treat

> > > >

> > > > Lal Kitab astrology as a living organism which grows. If any

> > > >

> > > > one treats this system as a closed system it will soon become

> > > >

> > > > a dogma and subsequently get fossilized. Therefore all such

> > > >

> > > > upaya which have been devised according to the principles

> > > >

> > > > of the Lal Kitab are acceptable to us.

> > > >

> > > > Now coming to the concept of a River and a Canal.

> > > >

> > > > We believe that the swabhav [ taaseer ] of the flowing water

> > > >

> > > > doesn't change in both these cases. In both the cases the

> > > >

> > > > flowing water stays the Karak of the moon. In both cases

> > > >

> > > > the water is fresh. If there comes about a change, at least

> > > >

> > > > we do not know about it. And this is what we had asked you,

> > > >

> > > > what difference comes about in the taaseer of the water in

> > > >

> > > > both the cases?

> > > >

> > > > Now let us talk about the dharma of the water. In both the

> > > >

> > > > cases the cooling property of the water remains the same.

> > > >

> > > > The dharma of the flowing water is to carry an object away;

> > > >

> > > > distancing. This remains the same whether it is the flowing

> > > >

> > > > water of a river or a canal.

> > > >

> > > > Therefore neither the swabhav nor the dharma changes.

> > > >

> > > > Then where is the difference. I think it is in our minds.

> > > >

> > > > Since the word 'dariyaa' river is used in the Book, we

> > > > want

> > > >

> > > > to keep sticking to that. Mentally we are not prepared to

> > > >

> > > > accept a canal as a substitute for a river.

> > > >

> > > > We have nothing against those who have such mental blocks.

> > > >

> > > > For all we care, they could continue with their own precepts.

> > > >

> > > > In one of my messages yesterday I have already explained

> > > >

> > > > the purpose of immersing karak objects in flowing water.

> > > >

> > > > The other possible purpose could have been of cooling or

> > > >

> > > > handing over to the Mother moon, but that is a separate

matter.

> > > >

> > > > You have mentioned different forms of water. All of us are

> > > >

> > > > aware of them. All of us are also aware how and for what

> > > >

> > > > these different forms of water have to be used. Except for

> > > >

> > > > the river / canal flowing water, no other form mentioned by

> > > >

> > > > you is used for distancing the effect of a planet.

> > > >

> > > > You have not explained the difference between

> > > >

> > > > the flowing water of a canal and a river.

> > > >

> > > > If you can not explain the difference then might

> > > >

> > > > as well accept the two being the same

> > > >

> > > > You have asked what a Lal Kitab scholar should do for

> > > >

> > > > Venus 8th. The answer is simple:

> > > >

> > > > [ a ] make the jatak flush down the toilet a pink flower [

the

> > > flower

> > > >

> > > > should not be white or yellow ] each day for 43 days. The

book

> > > >

> > > > doesn't mention this upaya. But this upaya is what one could

> > > >

> > > > get closest to throwing a flower into a sewage drain.

> > > >

> > > > Quite a few other alternatives to this upaya can be

> > > >

> > > > devised with a very great ease.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > >

> > > > --- In

<%

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> > " mts3434 " <mts3434@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaskar

> > > > > mein iss samay yahan par hoon , mere paas lk nahi hai. aap

khud

> > > hee

> > > > > sochen ki Pt. jee ne dariya hee kyon likha hai. Baat rahi

antar

> > > ki,

> > > > > kee nehar aur dariya mein kya antar hai. Mein koshish karta

> > hoon

> > > ki

> > > > > samjha sankoo. Aapke brabr na to mere paas gyan hai, na hee

> > mein

> > > apne

> > > > > aapko gyani samjhata hoon. lk mein kahin na kahin zaroor

likha

> > > hai,

> > > > > ki iss kitab ( lk ) mein jo upay likhe hain, sirf wohi

karen,

> > > apne

> > > > > aap na upay na banaye.

> > > > > Agar aap iss baat ko manege to yeh bhee manana padega ki

dariya

> > > aur

> > > > > nehar mein antar hota hai, ya hai. Kyonki lk mein kai

jagah par

> > > likha

> > > > > hai ki yeh upay ( dariya mein bahaye/dariya ka pani aadi )

varna

> > > clear

> > > > > kiya hai ki pani mein bahaye ( saaf pani jo ki nehar ho

sakti

> > > hai ).

> > > > > Jaise ki for example aap dahi (curd ) likha hai to aap

dahi ka

> > > hee

> > > > > istemaal karen. Aap dahi ko mixer mein ek circle chala de

ya

> > aap

> > > dahi

> > > > > ko madhani achhi tarah se ghuma de, lekin usmein water,

salt ya

> > > sugar

> > > > > na milaye to bhee woh dahi nahi rahega. aap usse lassi hee

> > > kahenge (

> > > > > thick lassi )iss tarah ke aur bhee example diye ja sakte

hain

> > ki

> > > kisi

> > > > > mein kuchh nahi milaya lekin uski tasir ya naam badal gaya.

> > > > > Aise hee dariya se nehar, nehar se sua ( yeh punjabi ka

word

> > hai

> > > > > jiska matlab saaf pani ka nala bhee keh sakte hai) jo ki

> > village

> > > mein

> > > > > aam mil jata hai, kheti badi wali zameen ko pani ke liye .

> > nehar

> > > aur

> > > > > sua dono naam alag hai aise hee dariya ka matlab dariya

hai koi

> > > aur

> > > > > nahi ( matlab ki nehar nahi ) lk mein pani ka bahut hee

> > imprtant

> > > role

> > > > > hai pani kee alag alag kisme aapko milegi jaise ki

> > > > > 1... Dariya ka paani--

> > > > > 2... meenh ka paani ( Rain water )

> > > > > 3... Shamshan ka paani

> > > > > 4... Gangajal

> > > > > 5... Chhapr ka paani ( shani khan no 6 )

> > > > > 6... Gandanala ( shukar khana no 8 ) yeh paani nahi lekin

issme

> > > ganda

> > > > > paani to behta hee hai

> > > > > agar aur bhee kuchh ho to aap samjha dein . aapki bahut

> > meharbani

> > > > > hogi.

> > > > > dhanyawad.

> > > > > mahajan

> > > > > P.S..... aajkal shehron mein gandanala nahi milta to yeh

bataye

> > > ki

> > > > > aaplog phul/tambe ka paise kismein girwate ho (shukar-8 )

> > > > >

> > > > > In <%

40>,

> > " varun_trvd "

> > varun_trvd@

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Kulbir Bhai,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is yet another fallacy created by Lal Kitab semi-

> > > literates.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The fact is that immersing some thing in flowing water

> > > > > >

> > > > > > is not associated with the 4th house in any way.

Immersing

> > > > > >

> > > > > > some thing in flowing water simply means distancing the

> > > > > >

> > > > > > effect of the planet.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Let us see what Pt. Roopchand ji has to say about it. I

am

> > > > > >

> > > > > > quoting two statements from the book:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mithai, meetha bhojan daan karen ya batashe dariyaa mein

> > dalen

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mooli daan karen ya koyale dariyaa mein baha den

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now you can see for yourself that donating or gifting

away

> > > > > >

> > > > > > has been used synonymously to drifting away in flowing

water.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The purpose is obvious, to distance away.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > These statements occur in both the 1942 and 1952

editions.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

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> > " kulbirbance "

> > > > > > <kulbirbance@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Gurudev Umesh Sharma ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ise to aap hi spasht karenge, hum to aapki likhi

kitabein

> > > > > > > padhte hain, hum aapko kya spashtikaran denge, kripya

aap

> > ki

> > > kasht

> > > > > > > karein.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > kulbirbance

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

<%

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> > " Umesh Sharma "

> > > > > > > mudit982001@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Respected Mahajan ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dariya main, ya nadi main, ya canal main Bahane ke

upay

> > se

> > > aap

> > > > > ka

> > > > > > > > kya tatprya hai? kya isse koi grah kisi ghar main

sthapit

> > > hota

> > > > > hey

> > > > > > > > ya kuch aur hai? kripya kya aap esko spashat

karainge?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks in Advance.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Umesh Sharma

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

<%

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> > " varun_trvd "

> > > > > > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Aadarneeya Mahajan ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ap ne likha hai

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " kyonki darya aur nehar ya chalta hua pani (saaf )

> > mein

> > > bahut

> > > > > > > > > antar hai, kulbir jee samajh gaye hain. "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Mein yeh antar nahi samajh paya ki bahate dariya ke

> > > paani aur

> > > > > > > > bahate

> > > > > > > > > nahar ke paani mein kya antar ho sakta hai?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dono kism ke paani ki taseer kaise badal jatee hai?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Kyonki jab tak taseer nahi badalti tab tak upaya ke

> > > prabhav

> > > > > mein

> > > > > > > > > farq nahi padna chahiye. Aur agar paani ki taseer

vahi

> > > rahati

> > > > > hai

> > > > > > > > [

> > > > > > > > > yani dono Chadra ke karak ] to phir chahe nadi ka

paani

> > > ho ya

> > > > > > > > nahar

> > > > > > > > > ka, koi farq nahi padega.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Kripya ap hi bata den ki yah antar kya hai? aur

kyon

> > > hua ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Aur agar Kulbir bhai samajh gaye hen to Kulbir

bhai hi

> > > bata

> > > > > den.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Doosare prashna ka uttar to ap ne diya hi nahi.

Surya 4

> > > ke

> > > > > samay

> > > > > > > > > rahu ki ashiya na bahayee jaye aisa kahan kaha hai?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Saadar sahit,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

<%

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> > " mts3434 "

> > > > > <mts3434@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Varun jee

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > baat yeh hai ki darya pandit jee ne kyon likha,

behta

> > > pani

> > > > > kyon

> > > > > > > > > nahi

> > > > > > > > > > likha. kyonki darya aur nehar ya chalta hua pani

> > > (saaf )

> > > > > mein

> > > > > > > > bahut

> > > > > > > > > > antar hai, kulbir jee samajh gaye hain.

> > > > > > > > > > ab budh khana 9 mein dekhe, wahan unhone likha

hai ki

> > > darya

> > > > > ke

> > > > > > > > pani

> > > > > > > > > > ke cheente kapde par maare ya darya ke pani se

kapde

> > > dhoye (

> > > > > > > kora

> > > > > > > > > > suit ). yahan par bhee woh nehar ka pani likh

sakte

> > > thei.ya

> > > > > > > apne

> > > > > > > > > > kapde nehar mein dhoye( ya nehar ke paani ke

cheente

> > > mare )

> > > > > abb

> > > > > > > > > mein

> > > > > > > > > > yahan par hoon wahan par mere paas lk nahi hai,

nahi

> > > to mein

> > > > > > > > page

> > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > ka udaaran de ke batata. lk mein kai jagah likha

hua

> > > aapko

> > > > > mil

> > > > > > > > > > jayega ki upay aap behtey hue paani mein kare (

> > > pravah ) ya

> > > > > > > kisi

> > > > > > > > > > jagah yeh saaf likha milega ki darya mein pravah

> > > karen. mere

> > > > > > > > khayal

> > > > > > > > > > mein yahan darya likha wahan aapko darya mein hee

> > upay

> > > karna

> > > > > > > > > chahiye

> > > > > > > > > > yahan chalta paani likha ho wahan aap darya /

nehar

> > > mein

> > > > > karwa

> > > > > > > > > sakte

> > > > > > > > > > hain. baki aap sab mujhse zyada samazdar hain.

meri

> > aap

> > > > > logo ke

> > > > > > > > > aage

> > > > > > > > > > kya aukat. meri adat likhne ki kum hai, issliye

kai

> > > baar

> > > > > apni

> > > > > > > > baat

> > > > > > > > > > sahi tarike se explain nahi kar pata. discuss

kare to

> > > sahi

> > > > > > > > tarike

> > > > > > > > > se

> > > > > > > > > > samjha sakta hoon. mera phone no shayad kulbir

jee se

> > > mil

> > > > > > > > > jayega.aap

> > > > > > > > > > se baat karke ya mil kar bahut khushi hogi.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > mahajan

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > <%

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> > " varun_trvd "

> > > > > > > > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Respected Kulbir Bhai,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > When a karak object of a planet is immersed in

> > > flowing

> > > > > water,

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > assumed that the effect of the planet has been

> > > distanced

> > > > > > > away.

> > > > > > > > > > > Flowing water is a medium or a carrier of the

karak

> > > > > object.

> > > > > > > > > > > Therefore so long as the water is flowing

water, as

> > > > > against

> > > > > > > > > > stagnant

> > > > > > > > > > > water,it should be good enough.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > It hardly makes a difference whether the

flowing

> > > water is

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > river

> > > > > > > > > > > or a canal so long as the water carries away

the

> > > karak

> > > > > object

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > planet.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > <%

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> > " kulbirbance "

> > > > > > > > > > > <kulbirbance@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > respected Mahajan Sahib;

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > the copncept of dariya and canal appealed

> > > > > > > > > > > > to me. dariya is a natural running source of

> > water

> > > but

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > case

> > > > > > > > > > of a

> > > > > > > > > > > > canal, water is first stored; read stopped,

then

> > > sent in

> > > > > > > > > > > > artificially created chanel, varun ji can

> > > elaborare on

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > issue

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > detail, but it appealled to me.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > thanks

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > kulbirbance

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > <%

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> > " mts3434 "

> > > > > > > > > <mts3434@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > varun jee/ kulbir jee/ gill jee

> > > > > > > > > > > > > kripya yeh bhee dhayan rakhe ki jab

> > > led/sikka/ranga

> > > > > > > dariya

> > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > > > > pravah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > kar rahen ho uss samay suraj ( sun ) khana

> > > number 4

> > > > > mein

> > > > > > > na

> > > > > > > > > > ho .

> > > > > > > > > > > > ya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > jis saal yeh upay karna ho uss saal suraj

khana

> > > no. 4

> > > > > > > mein

> > > > > > > > na

> > > > > > > > > > ho.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > aur yeh upay driya mein hee karna hai nehar

> > mein

> > > > > nahi.yeh

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > hai

> > > > > > > > > > > > > upay baki aur bhee kai baaton ka dhayan

rakhna

> > > hota

> > > > > hai,

> > > > > > > > > jaise

> > > > > > > > > > ki

> > > > > > > > > > > > > chhat na badle, ghar ki dahleej pujna

(south

> > > face )

> > > > > wale

> > > > > > > ke

> > > > > > > > > > liye

> > > > > > > > > > > > > jaroori hai.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > mahajan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > <%

40>,

> > " gill_hs2005 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <gill_hs2005@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Varun ji and kulbir ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sirs, thank you such a brilliant and

detailed

> > > > > > > > explanation.

> > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > grateful for that.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > With respect,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > HS Gill

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > <%

40>,

> > " kulbir

> > > > > > > > bance "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <kulbirbance@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gurudev,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks for this detailed explanation, i

> > agree

> > > > > > > totally.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerely

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kulbirbance

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/4/08, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Gill Saheb,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the first place let us understand

that

> > > the

> > > > > upaya

> > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned, immersing 8 itmes either

as

> > > 4pieces

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lead + 4 nariyals or 8 pieces of

Lead,

> > is a

> > > > > > > devised

> > > > > > > > > > upaya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i.e. it has been devised by the Lal

Kitab

> > > > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > themselves. *This upaya is not

mentioned

> > > in the

> > > > > > > > book.*

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me explain:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Rahu # 8:*

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1941 edition : No mention of this

upaya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1942 edition : No mention of this

upaya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1952 edition : page 674 note # 5

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " khote sikke [kharabshuda aur

mande] jin

> > > ki

> > > > > bazaar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mein kuchh keemat na ho aur zameen

pat

> > > takarane

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > se bilkul awaj na ho [ ya

> > > sikka,seesa,lead ]

> > > > > dariya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mein dalte jana mubarik hoga [

taqreeban

> > 8

> > > sikke

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ya har roj ek taqreeban 43 din]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [The book mentions 8 counterfeit

coins in

> > > one

> > > > > day

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or a coin each day for 43 days. It

> > > mentions Lead

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or sikka or seesa too but it is

probably

> > > in the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > context of the coins]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Rahu # 11*

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1941 edition : no mention

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1942 edition : no mention

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1952 edition : no mention

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *But the Hindi transliteration of

1942

> > > edition *

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *[ Arun sanhita ] has added on its

own :*

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Rahu 8th : aath tukade sikke ke

jinka

> > > vazan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12 kilo ho dariya mein dalen

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Rahu 11th : 4 kilo sikka tatha 4

> > pooja

> > > vale

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nariyal dariya mein dalen

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But the upaya of immersing 8 pieces

of

> > > Lead /

> > > > > > > Nariyal

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or a mix there of is a perfectly

> > logically

> > > > > devised

> > > > > > > > > upaya.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Kulbir Ji has mentioned, Pt.

Krishna

> > > Ashant

> > > > > ji &

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amrita Preetam ji in their book "

*Trik

> > > > > bhavanon ki

> > > > > > > > > > gatha* "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have given a rationale of this

upaya. Pt.

> > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > Ashant

> > > > > > > > > > > ji

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maintains that the total quantity

should

> > > be 8 in

> > > > > > > > value

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where as it can be cut into pieces

of 8,

> > > or 10

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > depending on the house affected.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Now let me explain the logic of this

> > > upaya*

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * as we have understood it :*

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The most important thing to remember

is

> > > that

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > devised upaya is done only for Rahu

in

> > 8th

> > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 11th and for no other house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Second thing to remember is the

figure

> > of 8

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in both the case. Therefore this

figure

> > is

> > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > related to the house the Rahu is

posited

> > > in.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If that were so then the figure of 8

> > would

> > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been there for rahu in the

11th. It

> > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been 11 instead.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Now does some thing ring a bell in

the

> > > mind ?*

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What a figure of 8 be related to the

8th

> > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the 11th house?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, let me tell you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is moved 8 steps away.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which is the 8th house from the 8th?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And which is the 8th house from the

11th?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The answer is the 3rd and the 6th.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now by immersing a piece each day or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > immersing 8 pieces the same day for

Rahu

> > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 8th, where does it take Rahu to?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To the 3rd house of course.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly, immersing 8 pieces for a

rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in the 11th where would it

take it

> > > to?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To the 6th house of course.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now Rahu can not be better placed

than

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being in the 3rd or the 6th.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Therefore the purpose of the upaya

is

> > to *

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *distance the Rahu such that it gets

> > based*

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * in the best houses it can ever be.*

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let me explain another issue that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir ji has raised.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Should the Nariyal be the one with

water

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or the one which is completely dry.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In our opinion the Nariyal should be

> > > completely

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dry because the Nariyal is an ashiya

of

> > > Shani.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any thing with water [ moon ] can

not be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an ashiya of Shani. The Nariyal used

in

> > > pooja

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is the one which is dry. Even

otherwise

> > > Shani

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is considered a 'shushka grah' a dry

> > > planet.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gill Saheb, it is not coconut.

Coconut is

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kernel. For upaya it is the Nariyal,

> > which

> > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the whole of it with coir intact.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was definitely a very beautiful

query.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > >

<%

40>,

> > " kulbirbance "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <kulbirbance@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gill sahib,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pt. Krishan ashant has beautifully

> > > explained

> > > > > rahu

> > > > > > > > 11

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remedy in his book but your

question

> > has

> > > > > posed a

> > > > > > > > new

> > > > > > > > > > > > > question

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. i.e. shouls the 4 nariyals be

> > sookhe

> > > > > khadkte

> > > > > > > > hue

> > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > containing

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > water. i am in favour of cocunuts

> > > containing

> > > > > > > water

> > > > > > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > water is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entraped in the shell. lets see

what

> > > varun ji

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > say

> > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regard. indeed very logical

question

> > has

> > > been

> > > > > put

> > > > > > > > > > forward

> > > > > > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > goodself.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sinccerely

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kulbirbance

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > >

<%

40>,

> > " gill_hs2005 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gill_hs2005@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sirs,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Rahu there are different

remedy

> > > > > suggested

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > each

> > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for house 8th and the 11th. For

both

> > > these

> > > > > > > > houses

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > remedy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. In both cases 8 pieces have

> > been

> > > > > advised

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > flow

> > > > > > > > > > > > > into a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > river.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It could be 4 pieces of ranga

and 4

> > > > > coconuts,

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > 8

> > > > > > > > > > > > pieces

> > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ranga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either way the total is 8 pieces.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir I can understand 8 pieces

thrown

> > in

> > > > > flowing

> > > > > > > > > water

> > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th house but what is the logic

of

> > > throwing

> > > > > 8

> > > > > > > > > pieces

> > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rahu in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respectfully,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HS Gill

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

May 21, 2008

Varun ji;

i was confused that why remedy of dariya qua shamshan ka

pani, kuan ka pani are mentioned, but ur reply stating that

DESISGNATION OF PLACE OR AREA is important to demarcate placement

of houses. now i understand. please continue to guide. varun ji i

had a misconception that i undertstand lalkitab system atleast 50%

but after participation in this group ur goodself forced me to study

the books again and now i feel i know only about 10%.

sincerely

kulbirbance

, " varun_trvd "

<varun_trvd wrote:

>

> Dear Kulbir bhai,

>

> Samandar denotes an area, a place, a location and hence Pandit ji

> designated a house [ khana ] for it. Where as ' dariya ka pani'

> river water is not an area, a place or a location; instead it is a

> kind or quality of water; a kind of water different from spring

> water, water from a well etc. Since 'dariya ka pani' is not a place

> or an area or a location, a house [ khana ] can not be designated

to

> it. As a lawyer you can understand the difference.

>

> Have a nice day,

>

> Varun

>

, " kulbir bance "

> <kulbirbance@> wrote:

> >

> > Gurudev,

> >

> > what i am trying to convey is that if 9th house was taken as

> > samandar then why can't dariya ka pani be denoted as house no4.

> >

> > sincerely

> >

> > kulbirbance

> >

> > On 5/15/08, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Kulbir bhai,

> > >

> > > In that case the samandar was not used as a carrier of the

karak

> > > object, some thing that carries away the effects. Instead it

was

> > > used as denoting the 9th house. If you remember the upaya

> suugested

> > > was to immerse in a samandar a silver figurine of a lady for

> venus

> > > placed in the 9th house.

> > >

> > > Yes, samandar as a huge store of water can be included.

> > >

> > > I hope I had understood your request correctly.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Varun Trivedi

> > >

> > > <%

> 40>,

> > > " kulbirbance "

> > > <kulbirbance@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Varun ji,

> > > >

> > > > it would be appropriate if the upaye of samandar as

> > > > written in kundali sent by umesh ji be included in this

> discusion

> > > > while determining taseer of water.

> > > >

> > > > regards

> > > >

> > > > kulbirbance

> > > >

> > > > --- In

<%

> 40>,

> > > " varun_trvd "

> > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Aadarneeya Mahajan ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > You have said " lk mein kahin na kahin zaroor likha hai,

> > > > > ki iss kitab ( lk ) mein jo upay likhe hain, sirf wohi

karen,

> > > apne

> > > > > aap na upay na banaye. "

> > > > >

> > > > > We do not agree with that.

> > > > >

> > > > > To the best of our knowledge no such instructions are given

> > > > >

> > > > > in the Book that a Lal Kitab scholar can not formulate a

new

> > > > >

> > > > > upaya. The Lal Kitab upaya are not 'Jaadoo Tona' which

> > > > > have

> > > > >

> > > > > to stay as such and should not be modified or devised

afresh.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am afraid, it is this attitude of some Lal Kitab

followers

> > > > which

> > > > >

> > > > > made other astrologers believe that the Lal Kitab is not a

> book

> > > > >

> > > > > of astrology and instead it is a book of 'Totka & Tonas'.

> > > > > It is

> > > > >

> > > > > this general perception that we are trying hard to dispel.

> > > > >

> > > > > We do not treat the Lal Kitab as a closed system. We treat

> > > > >

> > > > > Lal Kitab astrology as a living organism which grows. If

any

> > > > >

> > > > > one treats this system as a closed system it will soon

become

> > > > >

> > > > > a dogma and subsequently get fossilized. Therefore all such

> > > > >

> > > > > upaya which have been devised according to the principles

> > > > >

> > > > > of the Lal Kitab are acceptable to us.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now coming to the concept of a River and a Canal.

> > > > >

> > > > > We believe that the swabhav [ taaseer ] of the flowing

water

> > > > >

> > > > > doesn't change in both these cases. In both the cases the

> > > > >

> > > > > flowing water stays the Karak of the moon. In both cases

> > > > >

> > > > > the water is fresh. If there comes about a change, at least

> > > > >

> > > > > we do not know about it. And this is what we had asked you,

> > > > >

> > > > > what difference comes about in the taaseer of the water in

> > > > >

> > > > > both the cases?

> > > > >

> > > > > Now let us talk about the dharma of the water. In both the

> > > > >

> > > > > cases the cooling property of the water remains the same.

> > > > >

> > > > > The dharma of the flowing water is to carry an object away;

> > > > >

> > > > > distancing. This remains the same whether it is the flowing

> > > > >

> > > > > water of a river or a canal.

> > > > >

> > > > > Therefore neither the swabhav nor the dharma changes.

> > > > >

> > > > > Then where is the difference. I think it is in our minds.

> > > > >

> > > > > Since the word 'dariyaa' river is used in the Book, we

> > > > > want

> > > > >

> > > > > to keep sticking to that. Mentally we are not prepared to

> > > > >

> > > > > accept a canal as a substitute for a river.

> > > > >

> > > > > We have nothing against those who have such mental blocks.

> > > > >

> > > > > For all we care, they could continue with their own

precepts.

> > > > >

> > > > > In one of my messages yesterday I have already explained

> > > > >

> > > > > the purpose of immersing karak objects in flowing water.

> > > > >

> > > > > The other possible purpose could have been of cooling or

> > > > >

> > > > > handing over to the Mother moon, but that is a separate

> matter.

> > > > >

> > > > > You have mentioned different forms of water. All of us are

> > > > >

> > > > > aware of them. All of us are also aware how and for what

> > > > >

> > > > > these different forms of water have to be used. Except for

> > > > >

> > > > > the river / canal flowing water, no other form mentioned by

> > > > >

> > > > > you is used for distancing the effect of a planet.

> > > > >

> > > > > You have not explained the difference between

> > > > >

> > > > > the flowing water of a canal and a river.

> > > > >

> > > > > If you can not explain the difference then might

> > > > >

> > > > > as well accept the two being the same

> > > > >

> > > > > You have asked what a Lal Kitab scholar should do for

> > > > >

> > > > > Venus 8th. The answer is simple:

> > > > >

> > > > > [ a ] make the jatak flush down the toilet a pink flower [

> the

> > > > flower

> > > > >

> > > > > should not be white or yellow ] each day for 43 days. The

> book

> > > > >

> > > > > doesn't mention this upaya. But this upaya is what one

could

> > > > >

> > > > > get closest to throwing a flower into a sewage drain.

> > > > >

> > > > > Quite a few other alternatives to this upaya can be

> > > > >

> > > > > devised with a very great ease.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

> <%

> 40>,

> > > " mts3434 " <mts3434@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaskar

> > > > > > mein iss samay yahan par hoon , mere paas lk nahi hai.

aap

> khud

> > > > hee

> > > > > > sochen ki Pt. jee ne dariya hee kyon likha hai. Baat rahi

> antar

> > > > ki,

> > > > > > kee nehar aur dariya mein kya antar hai. Mein koshish

karta

> > > hoon

> > > > ki

> > > > > > samjha sankoo. Aapke brabr na to mere paas gyan hai, na

hee

> > > mein

> > > > apne

> > > > > > aapko gyani samjhata hoon. lk mein kahin na kahin zaroor

> likha

> > > > hai,

> > > > > > ki iss kitab ( lk ) mein jo upay likhe hain, sirf wohi

> karen,

> > > > apne

> > > > > > aap na upay na banaye.

> > > > > > Agar aap iss baat ko manege to yeh bhee manana padega ki

> dariya

> > > > aur

> > > > > > nehar mein antar hota hai, ya hai. Kyonki lk mein kai

> jagah par

> > > > likha

> > > > > > hai ki yeh upay ( dariya mein bahaye/dariya ka pani

aadi )

> varna

> > > > clear

> > > > > > kiya hai ki pani mein bahaye ( saaf pani jo ki nehar ho

> sakti

> > > > hai ).

> > > > > > Jaise ki for example aap dahi (curd ) likha hai to aap

> dahi ka

> > > > hee

> > > > > > istemaal karen. Aap dahi ko mixer mein ek circle chala de

> ya

> > > aap

> > > > dahi

> > > > > > ko madhani achhi tarah se ghuma de, lekin usmein water,

> salt ya

> > > > sugar

> > > > > > na milaye to bhee woh dahi nahi rahega. aap usse lassi

hee

> > > > kahenge (

> > > > > > thick lassi )iss tarah ke aur bhee example diye ja sakte

> hain

> > > ki

> > > > kisi

> > > > > > mein kuchh nahi milaya lekin uski tasir ya naam badal

gaya.

> > > > > > Aise hee dariya se nehar, nehar se sua ( yeh punjabi ka

> word

> > > hai

> > > > > > jiska matlab saaf pani ka nala bhee keh sakte hai) jo ki

> > > village

> > > > mein

> > > > > > aam mil jata hai, kheti badi wali zameen ko pani ke

liye .

> > > nehar

> > > > aur

> > > > > > sua dono naam alag hai aise hee dariya ka matlab dariya

> hai koi

> > > > aur

> > > > > > nahi ( matlab ki nehar nahi ) lk mein pani ka bahut hee

> > > imprtant

> > > > role

> > > > > > hai pani kee alag alag kisme aapko milegi jaise ki

> > > > > > 1... Dariya ka paani--

> > > > > > 2... meenh ka paani ( Rain water )

> > > > > > 3... Shamshan ka paani

> > > > > > 4... Gangajal

> > > > > > 5... Chhapr ka paani ( shani khan no 6 )

> > > > > > 6... Gandanala ( shukar khana no 8 ) yeh paani nahi lekin

> issme

> > > > ganda

> > > > > > paani to behta hee hai

> > > > > > agar aur bhee kuchh ho to aap samjha dein . aapki bahut

> > > meharbani

> > > > > > hogi.

> > > > > > dhanyawad.

> > > > > > mahajan

> > > > > > P.S..... aajkal shehron mein gandanala nahi milta to yeh

> bataye

> > > > ki

> > > > > > aaplog phul/tambe ka paise kismein girwate ho (shukar-8 )

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In

<%

> 40>,

> > > " varun_trvd "

> > > varun_trvd@

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Kulbir Bhai,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This is yet another fallacy created by Lal Kitab semi-

> > > > literates.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The fact is that immersing some thing in flowing water

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > is not associated with the 4th house in any way.

> Immersing

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > some thing in flowing water simply means distancing the

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > effect of the planet.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Let us see what Pt. Roopchand ji has to say about it. I

> am

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > quoting two statements from the book:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mithai, meetha bhojan daan karen ya batashe dariyaa

mein

> > > dalen

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mooli daan karen ya koyale dariyaa mein baha den

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now you can see for yourself that donating or gifting

> away

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > has been used synonymously to drifting away in flowing

> water.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The purpose is obvious, to distance away.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > These statements occur in both the 1942 and 1952

> editions.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

> <%

> 40>,

> > > " kulbirbance "

> > > > > > > <kulbirbance@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Gurudev Umesh Sharma ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ise to aap hi spasht karenge, hum to aapki likhi

> kitabein

> > > > > > > > padhte hain, hum aapko kya spashtikaran denge, kripya

> aap

> > > ki

> > > > kasht

> > > > > > > > karein.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > kulbirbance

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> <%

> 40>,

> > > " Umesh Sharma "

> > > > > > > > mudit982001@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Respected Mahajan ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dariya main, ya nadi main, ya canal main Bahane ke

> upay

> > > se

> > > > aap

> > > > > > ka

> > > > > > > > > kya tatprya hai? kya isse koi grah kisi ghar main

> sthapit

> > > > hota

> > > > > > hey

> > > > > > > > > ya kuch aur hai? kripya kya aap esko spashat

> karainge?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks in Advance.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Umesh Sharma

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> <%

> 40>,

> > > " varun_trvd "

> > > > > > > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Aadarneeya Mahajan ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ap ne likha hai

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " kyonki darya aur nehar ya chalta hua pani

(saaf )

> > > mein

> > > > bahut

> > > > > > > > > > antar hai, kulbir jee samajh gaye hain. "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Mein yeh antar nahi samajh paya ki bahate dariya

ke

> > > > paani aur

> > > > > > > > > bahate

> > > > > > > > > > nahar ke paani mein kya antar ho sakta hai?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dono kism ke paani ki taseer kaise badal jatee

hai?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Kyonki jab tak taseer nahi badalti tab tak upaya

ke

> > > > prabhav

> > > > > > mein

> > > > > > > > > > farq nahi padna chahiye. Aur agar paani ki taseer

> vahi

> > > > rahati

> > > > > > hai

> > > > > > > > > [

> > > > > > > > > > yani dono Chadra ke karak ] to phir chahe nadi ka

> paani

> > > > ho ya

> > > > > > > > > nahar

> > > > > > > > > > ka, koi farq nahi padega.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Kripya ap hi bata den ki yah antar kya hai? aur

> kyon

> > > > hua ?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Aur agar Kulbir bhai samajh gaye hen to Kulbir

> bhai hi

> > > > bata

> > > > > > den.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Doosare prashna ka uttar to ap ne diya hi nahi.

> Surya 4

> > > > ke

> > > > > > samay

> > > > > > > > > > rahu ki ashiya na bahayee jaye aisa kahan kaha

hai?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Saadar sahit,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> <%

> 40>,

> > > " mts3434 "

> > > > > > <mts3434@>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Varun jee

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > baat yeh hai ki darya pandit jee ne kyon likha,

> behta

> > > > pani

> > > > > > kyon

> > > > > > > > > > nahi

> > > > > > > > > > > likha. kyonki darya aur nehar ya chalta hua

pani

> > > > (saaf )

> > > > > > mein

> > > > > > > > > bahut

> > > > > > > > > > > antar hai, kulbir jee samajh gaye hain.

> > > > > > > > > > > ab budh khana 9 mein dekhe, wahan unhone likha

> hai ki

> > > > darya

> > > > > > ke

> > > > > > > > > pani

> > > > > > > > > > > ke cheente kapde par maare ya darya ke pani se

> kapde

> > > > dhoye (

> > > > > > > > kora

> > > > > > > > > > > suit ). yahan par bhee woh nehar ka pani likh

> sakte

> > > > thei.ya

> > > > > > > > apne

> > > > > > > > > > > kapde nehar mein dhoye( ya nehar ke paani ke

> cheente

> > > > mare )

> > > > > > abb

> > > > > > > > > > mein

> > > > > > > > > > > yahan par hoon wahan par mere paas lk nahi hai,

> nahi

> > > > to mein

> > > > > > > > > page

> > > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > ka udaaran de ke batata. lk mein kai jagah

likha

> hua

> > > > aapko

> > > > > > mil

> > > > > > > > > > > jayega ki upay aap behtey hue paani mein kare (

> > > > pravah ) ya

> > > > > > > > kisi

> > > > > > > > > > > jagah yeh saaf likha milega ki darya mein

pravah

> > > > karen. mere

> > > > > > > > > khayal

> > > > > > > > > > > mein yahan darya likha wahan aapko darya mein

hee

> > > upay

> > > > karna

> > > > > > > > > > chahiye

> > > > > > > > > > > yahan chalta paani likha ho wahan aap darya /

> nehar

> > > > mein

> > > > > > karwa

> > > > > > > > > > sakte

> > > > > > > > > > > hain. baki aap sab mujhse zyada samazdar hain.

> meri

> > > aap

> > > > > > logo ke

> > > > > > > > > > aage

> > > > > > > > > > > kya aukat. meri adat likhne ki kum hai, issliye

> kai

> > > > baar

> > > > > > apni

> > > > > > > > > baat

> > > > > > > > > > > sahi tarike se explain nahi kar pata. discuss

> kare to

> > > > sahi

> > > > > > > > > tarike

> > > > > > > > > > se

> > > > > > > > > > > samjha sakta hoon. mera phone no shayad kulbir

> jee se

> > > > mil

> > > > > > > > > > jayega.aap

> > > > > > > > > > > se baat karke ya mil kar bahut khushi hogi.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > mahajan

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > <%

> 40>,

> > > " varun_trvd "

> > > > > > > > > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Kulbir Bhai,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > When a karak object of a planet is immersed

in

> > > > flowing

> > > > > > water,

> > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > assumed that the effect of the planet has

been

> > > > distanced

> > > > > > > > away.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Flowing water is a medium or a carrier of the

> karak

> > > > > > object.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore so long as the water is flowing

> water, as

> > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > > > > stagnant

> > > > > > > > > > > > water,it should be good enough.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > It hardly makes a difference whether the

> flowing

> > > > water is

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > river

> > > > > > > > > > > > or a canal so long as the water carries away

> the

> > > > karak

> > > > > > object

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > planet.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > <%

> 40>,

> > > " kulbirbance "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <kulbirbance@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > respected Mahajan Sahib;

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the copncept of dariya and canal appealed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to me. dariya is a natural running source

of

> > > water

> > > > but

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > case

> > > > > > > > > > > of a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > canal, water is first stored; read stopped,

> then

> > > > sent in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > artificially created chanel, varun ji can

> > > > elaborare on

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > issue

> > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > detail, but it appealled to me.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > kulbirbance

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > <%

> 40>,

> > > " mts3434 "

> > > > > > > > > > <mts3434@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > varun jee/ kulbir jee/ gill jee

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > kripya yeh bhee dhayan rakhe ki jab

> > > > led/sikka/ranga

> > > > > > > > dariya

> > > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > > > > > pravah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > kar rahen ho uss samay suraj ( sun )

khana

> > > > number 4

> > > > > > mein

> > > > > > > > na

> > > > > > > > > > > ho .

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > jis saal yeh upay karna ho uss saal suraj

> khana

> > > > no. 4

> > > > > > > > mein

> > > > > > > > > na

> > > > > > > > > > > ho.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > aur yeh upay driya mein hee karna hai

nehar

> > > mein

> > > > > > nahi.yeh

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > hai

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > upay baki aur bhee kai baaton ka dhayan

> rakhna

> > > > hota

> > > > > > hai,

> > > > > > > > > > jaise

> > > > > > > > > > > ki

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > chhat na badle, ghar ki dahleej pujna

> (south

> > > > face )

> > > > > > wale

> > > > > > > > ke

> > > > > > > > > > > liye

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > jaroori hai.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mahajan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > <%

> 40>,

> > > " gill_hs2005 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <gill_hs2005@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Varun ji and kulbir ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sirs, thank you such a brilliant and

> detailed

> > > > > > > > > explanation.

> > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > grateful for that.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With respect,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HS Gill

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > <%

> 40>,

> > > " kulbir

> > > > > > > > > bance "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <kulbirbance@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gurudev,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks for this detailed

explanation, i

> > > agree

> > > > > > > > totally.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerely

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kulbirbance

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/4/08, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@>

> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Gill Saheb,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the first place let us

understand

> that

> > > > the

> > > > > > upaya

> > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned, immersing 8 itmes either

> as

> > > > 4pieces

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lead + 4 nariyals or 8 pieces of

> Lead,

> > > is a

> > > > > > > > devised

> > > > > > > > > > > upaya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i.e. it has been devised by the Lal

> Kitab

> > > > > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > themselves. *This upaya is not

> mentioned

> > > > in the

> > > > > > > > > book.*

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me explain:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Rahu # 8:*

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1941 edition : No mention of this

> upaya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1942 edition : No mention of this

> upaya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1952 edition : page 674 note # 5

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " khote sikke [kharabshuda aur

> mande] jin

> > > > ki

> > > > > > bazaar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mein kuchh keemat na ho aur zameen

> pat

> > > > takarane

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > se bilkul awaj na ho [ ya

> > > > sikka,seesa,lead ]

> > > > > > dariya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mein dalte jana mubarik hoga [

> taqreeban

> > > 8

> > > > sikke

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ya har roj ek taqreeban 43 din]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [The book mentions 8 counterfeit

> coins in

> > > > one

> > > > > > day

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or a coin each day for 43 days. It

> > > > mentions Lead

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or sikka or seesa too but it is

> probably

> > > > in the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > context of the coins]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Rahu # 11*

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1941 edition : no mention

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1942 edition : no mention

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1952 edition : no mention

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *But the Hindi transliteration of

> 1942

> > > > edition *

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *[ Arun sanhita ] has added on its

> own :*

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Rahu 8th : aath tukade sikke ke

> jinka

> > > > vazan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12 kilo ho dariya mein dalen

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Rahu 11th : 4 kilo sikka tatha

4

> > > pooja

> > > > vale

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nariyal dariya mein dalen

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But the upaya of immersing 8 pieces

> of

> > > > Lead /

> > > > > > > > Nariyal

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or a mix there of is a perfectly

> > > logically

> > > > > > devised

> > > > > > > > > > upaya.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Kulbir Ji has mentioned, Pt.

> Krishna

> > > > Ashant

> > > > > > ji &

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amrita Preetam ji in their book "

> *Trik

> > > > > > bhavanon ki

> > > > > > > > > > > gatha* "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have given a rationale of this

> upaya. Pt.

> > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > Ashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > ji

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maintains that the total quantity

> should

> > > > be 8 in

> > > > > > > > > value

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where as it can be cut into pieces

> of 8,

> > > > or 10

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > depending on the house affected.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Now let me explain the logic of

this

> > > > upaya*

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * as we have understood it :*

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The most important thing to

remember

> is

> > > > that

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > devised upaya is done only for Rahu

> in

> > > 8th

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 11th and for no other house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Second thing to remember is the

> figure

> > > of 8

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in both the case. Therefore this

> figure

> > > is

> > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > related to the house the Rahu is

> posited

> > > > in.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If that were so then the figure of

8

> > > would

> > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been there for rahu in the

> 11th. It

> > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been 11 instead.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Now does some thing ring a bell in

> the

> > > > mind ?*

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What a figure of 8 be related to

the

> 8th

> > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the 11th house?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, let me tell you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is moved 8 steps away.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which is the 8th house from the

8th?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And which is the 8th house from the

> 11th?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The answer is the 3rd and the 6th.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now by immersing a piece each day

or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > immersing 8 pieces the same day for

> Rahu

> > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 8th, where does it take Rahu

to?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To the 3rd house of course.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly, immersing 8 pieces for a

> rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in the 11th where would it

> take it

> > > > to?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To the 6th house of course.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now Rahu can not be better placed

> than

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being in the 3rd or the 6th.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Therefore the purpose of the upaya

> is

> > > to *

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *distance the Rahu such that it

gets

> > > based*

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * in the best houses it can ever

be.*

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let me explain another issue

that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir ji has raised.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Should the Nariyal be the one with

> water

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or the one which is completely dry.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In our opinion the Nariyal should

be

> > > > completely

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dry because the Nariyal is an

ashiya

> of

> > > > Shani.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any thing with water [ moon ] can

> not be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an ashiya of Shani. The Nariyal

used

> in

> > > > pooja

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is the one which is dry. Even

> otherwise

> > > > Shani

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is considered a 'shushka grah' a

dry

> > > > planet.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gill Saheb, it is not coconut.

> Coconut is

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kernel. For upaya it is the

Nariyal,

> > > which

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the whole of it with coir intact.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was definitely a very beautiful

> query.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > >

> <%

> 40>,

> > > " kulbirbance "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <kulbirbance@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gill sahib,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pt. Krishan ashant has

beautifully

> > > > explained

> > > > > > rahu

> > > > > > > > > 11

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remedy in his book but your

> question

> > > has

> > > > > > posed a

> > > > > > > > > new

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > question

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. i.e. shouls the 4 nariyals be

> > > sookhe

> > > > > > khadkte

> > > > > > > > > hue

> > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > containing

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > water. i am in favour of cocunuts

> > > > containing

> > > > > > > > water

> > > > > > > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > water is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entraped in the shell. lets see

> what

> > > > varun ji

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > say

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regard. indeed very logical

> question

> > > has

> > > > been

> > > > > > put

> > > > > > > > > > > forward

> > > > > > > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > goodself.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sinccerely

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kulbirbance

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > > >

> <%

> 40>,

> > > " gill_hs2005 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gill_hs2005@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sirs,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Rahu there are different

> remedy

> > > > > > suggested

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > each

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for house 8th and the 11th. For

> both

> > > > these

> > > > > > > > > houses

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > remedy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. In both cases 8 pieces

have

> > > been

> > > > > > advised

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > flow

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > into a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > river.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It could be 4 pieces of ranga

> and 4

> > > > > > coconuts,

> > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > 8

> > > > > > > > > > > > > pieces

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ranga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either way the total is 8

pieces.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir I can understand 8 pieces

> thrown

> > > in

> > > > > > flowing

> > > > > > > > > > water

> > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th house but what is the logic

> of

> > > > throwing

> > > > > > 8

> > > > > > > > > > pieces

> > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rahu in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respectfully,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HS Gill

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

May 21, 2008

Dear Kulbir bhai,

We aren't any better off either. We can not claim to have understood

more than 25% of what has been written in all the five Lal Kitabs.

But we are making sincere efforts to understand the rationale behind

all what has been said.

We do not sit back and claim that Lal Kitab is an easy book. It is

not a Primer; the fact is that the Lal Kitab is the MOST difficult

of all the classics of Vedic astrology. But we are at it, and hope

that all of us together will definitely make our understanding of

the book better.

Regards,

Varun Trivedi

, " kulbirbance "

<kulbirbance wrote:

>

> Varun ji;

>

> i was confused that why remedy of dariya qua shamshan ka

> pani, kuan ka pani are mentioned, but ur reply stating that

> DESISGNATION OF PLACE OR AREA is important to demarcate placement

> of houses. now i understand. please continue to guide. varun ji i

> had a misconception that i undertstand lalkitab system atleast 50%

> but after participation in this group ur goodself forced me to

study

> the books again and now i feel i know only about 10%.

>

> sincerely

>

> kulbirbance

>

, " varun_trvd "

> <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Kulbir bhai,

> >

> > Samandar denotes an area, a place, a location and hence Pandit ji

> > designated a house [ khana ] for it. Where as ' dariya ka pani'

> > river water is not an area, a place or a location; instead it is

a

> > kind or quality of water; a kind of water different from spring

> > water, water from a well etc. Since 'dariya ka pani' is not a

place

> > or an area or a location, a house [ khana ] can not be designated

> to

> > it. As a lawyer you can understand the difference.

> >

> > Have a nice day,

> >

> > Varun

> >

> > , " kulbir bance "

> > <kulbirbance@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Gurudev,

> > >

> > > what i am trying to convey is that if 9th house was taken as

> > > samandar then why can't dariya ka pani be denoted as house no4.

> > >

> > > sincerely

> > >

> > > kulbirbance

> > >

> > > On 5/15/08, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Kulbir bhai,

> > > >

> > > > In that case the samandar was not used as a carrier of the

> karak

> > > > object, some thing that carries away the effects. Instead it

> was

> > > > used as denoting the 9th house. If you remember the upaya

> > suugested

> > > > was to immerse in a samandar a silver figurine of a lady for

> > venus

> > > > placed in the 9th house.

> > > >

> > > > Yes, samandar as a huge store of water can be included.

> > > >

> > > > I hope I had understood your request correctly.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > >

> > > > --- In

<%

> > 40>,

> > > > " kulbirbance "

> > > > <kulbirbance@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Varun ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > it would be appropriate if the upaye of samandar as

> > > > > written in kundali sent by umesh ji be included in this

> > discusion

> > > > > while determining taseer of water.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards

> > > > >

> > > > > kulbirbance

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

> <%

> > 40>,

> > > > " varun_trvd "

> > > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Aadarneeya Mahajan ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You have said " lk mein kahin na kahin zaroor likha hai,

> > > > > > ki iss kitab ( lk ) mein jo upay likhe hain, sirf wohi

> karen,

> > > > apne

> > > > > > aap na upay na banaye. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We do not agree with that.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > To the best of our knowledge no such instructions are

given

> > > > > >

> > > > > > in the Book that a Lal Kitab scholar can not formulate a

> new

> > > > > >

> > > > > > upaya. The Lal Kitab upaya are not 'Jaadoo Tona' which

> > > > > > have

> > > > > >

> > > > > > to stay as such and should not be modified or devised

> afresh.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am afraid, it is this attitude of some Lal Kitab

> followers

> > > > > which

> > > > > >

> > > > > > made other astrologers believe that the Lal Kitab is not

a

> > book

> > > > > >

> > > > > > of astrology and instead it is a book of 'Totka & Tonas'.

> > > > > > It is

> > > > > >

> > > > > > this general perception that we are trying hard to

dispel.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We do not treat the Lal Kitab as a closed system. We

treat

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lal Kitab astrology as a living organism which grows. If

> any

> > > > > >

> > > > > > one treats this system as a closed system it will soon

> become

> > > > > >

> > > > > > a dogma and subsequently get fossilized. Therefore all

such

> > > > > >

> > > > > > upaya which have been devised according to the principles

> > > > > >

> > > > > > of the Lal Kitab are acceptable to us.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now coming to the concept of a River and a Canal.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We believe that the swabhav [ taaseer ] of the flowing

> water

> > > > > >

> > > > > > doesn't change in both these cases. In both the cases the

> > > > > >

> > > > > > flowing water stays the Karak of the moon. In both cases

> > > > > >

> > > > > > the water is fresh. If there comes about a change, at

least

> > > > > >

> > > > > > we do not know about it. And this is what we had asked

you,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > what difference comes about in the taaseer of the water

in

> > > > > >

> > > > > > both the cases?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now let us talk about the dharma of the water. In both

the

> > > > > >

> > > > > > cases the cooling property of the water remains the same.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The dharma of the flowing water is to carry an object

away;

> > > > > >

> > > > > > distancing. This remains the same whether it is the

flowing

> > > > > >

> > > > > > water of a river or a canal.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Therefore neither the swabhav nor the dharma changes.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Then where is the difference. I think it is in our minds.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Since the word 'dariyaa' river is used in the Book, we

> > > > > > want

> > > > > >

> > > > > > to keep sticking to that. Mentally we are not prepared to

> > > > > >

> > > > > > accept a canal as a substitute for a river.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We have nothing against those who have such mental

blocks.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > For all we care, they could continue with their own

> precepts.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In one of my messages yesterday I have already explained

> > > > > >

> > > > > > the purpose of immersing karak objects in flowing water.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The other possible purpose could have been of cooling or

> > > > > >

> > > > > > handing over to the Mother moon, but that is a separate

> > matter.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You have mentioned different forms of water. All of us

are

> > > > > >

> > > > > > aware of them. All of us are also aware how and for what

> > > > > >

> > > > > > these different forms of water have to be used. Except

for

> > > > > >

> > > > > > the river / canal flowing water, no other form mentioned

by

> > > > > >

> > > > > > you is used for distancing the effect of a planet.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You have not explained the difference between

> > > > > >

> > > > > > the flowing water of a canal and a river.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you can not explain the difference then might

> > > > > >

> > > > > > as well accept the two being the same

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You have asked what a Lal Kitab scholar should do for

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Venus 8th. The answer is simple:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [ a ] make the jatak flush down the toilet a pink flower

[

> > the

> > > > > flower

> > > > > >

> > > > > > should not be white or yellow ] each day for 43 days. The

> > book

> > > > > >

> > > > > > doesn't mention this upaya. But this upaya is what one

> could

> > > > > >

> > > > > > get closest to throwing a flower into a sewage drain.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Quite a few other alternatives to this upaya can be

> > > > > >

> > > > > > devised with a very great ease.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

> > <%

> > 40>,

> > > > " mts3434 " <mts3434@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaskar

> > > > > > > mein iss samay yahan par hoon , mere paas lk nahi hai.

> aap

> > khud

> > > > > hee

> > > > > > > sochen ki Pt. jee ne dariya hee kyon likha hai. Baat

rahi

> > antar

> > > > > ki,

> > > > > > > kee nehar aur dariya mein kya antar hai. Mein koshish

> karta

> > > > hoon

> > > > > ki

> > > > > > > samjha sankoo. Aapke brabr na to mere paas gyan hai, na

> hee

> > > > mein

> > > > > apne

> > > > > > > aapko gyani samjhata hoon. lk mein kahin na kahin

zaroor

> > likha

> > > > > hai,

> > > > > > > ki iss kitab ( lk ) mein jo upay likhe hain, sirf wohi

> > karen,

> > > > > apne

> > > > > > > aap na upay na banaye.

> > > > > > > Agar aap iss baat ko manege to yeh bhee manana padega

ki

> > dariya

> > > > > aur

> > > > > > > nehar mein antar hota hai, ya hai. Kyonki lk mein kai

> > jagah par

> > > > > likha

> > > > > > > hai ki yeh upay ( dariya mein bahaye/dariya ka pani

> aadi )

> > varna

> > > > > clear

> > > > > > > kiya hai ki pani mein bahaye ( saaf pani jo ki nehar ho

> > sakti

> > > > > hai ).

> > > > > > > Jaise ki for example aap dahi (curd ) likha hai to aap

> > dahi ka

> > > > > hee

> > > > > > > istemaal karen. Aap dahi ko mixer mein ek circle chala

de

> > ya

> > > > aap

> > > > > dahi

> > > > > > > ko madhani achhi tarah se ghuma de, lekin usmein water,

> > salt ya

> > > > > sugar

> > > > > > > na milaye to bhee woh dahi nahi rahega. aap usse lassi

> hee

> > > > > kahenge (

> > > > > > > thick lassi )iss tarah ke aur bhee example diye ja

sakte

> > hain

> > > > ki

> > > > > kisi

> > > > > > > mein kuchh nahi milaya lekin uski tasir ya naam badal

> gaya.

> > > > > > > Aise hee dariya se nehar, nehar se sua ( yeh punjabi ka

> > word

> > > > hai

> > > > > > > jiska matlab saaf pani ka nala bhee keh sakte hai) jo

ki

> > > > village

> > > > > mein

> > > > > > > aam mil jata hai, kheti badi wali zameen ko pani ke

> liye .

> > > > nehar

> > > > > aur

> > > > > > > sua dono naam alag hai aise hee dariya ka matlab dariya

> > hai koi

> > > > > aur

> > > > > > > nahi ( matlab ki nehar nahi ) lk mein pani ka bahut hee

> > > > imprtant

> > > > > role

> > > > > > > hai pani kee alag alag kisme aapko milegi jaise ki

> > > > > > > 1... Dariya ka paani--

> > > > > > > 2... meenh ka paani ( Rain water )

> > > > > > > 3... Shamshan ka paani

> > > > > > > 4... Gangajal

> > > > > > > 5... Chhapr ka paani ( shani khan no 6 )

> > > > > > > 6... Gandanala ( shukar khana no 8 ) yeh paani nahi

lekin

> > issme

> > > > > ganda

> > > > > > > paani to behta hee hai

> > > > > > > agar aur bhee kuchh ho to aap samjha dein . aapki bahut

> > > > meharbani

> > > > > > > hogi.

> > > > > > > dhanyawad.

> > > > > > > mahajan

> > > > > > > P.S..... aajkal shehron mein gandanala nahi milta to

yeh

> > bataye

> > > > > ki

> > > > > > > aaplog phul/tambe ka paise kismein girwate ho (shukar-

8 )

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In

> <%

> > 40>,

> > > > " varun_trvd "

> > > > varun_trvd@

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir Bhai,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This is yet another fallacy created by Lal Kitab

semi-

> > > > > literates.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The fact is that immersing some thing in flowing

water

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > is not associated with the 4th house in any way.

> > Immersing

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > some thing in flowing water simply means distancing

the

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > effect of the planet.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Let us see what Pt. Roopchand ji has to say about

it. I

> > am

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > quoting two statements from the book:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Mithai, meetha bhojan daan karen ya batashe dariyaa

> mein

> > > > dalen

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Mooli daan karen ya koyale dariyaa mein baha den

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Now you can see for yourself that donating or gifting

> > away

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > has been used synonymously to drifting away in

flowing

> > water.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The purpose is obvious, to distance away.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > These statements occur in both the 1942 and 1952

> > editions.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> > <%

> > 40>,

> > > > " kulbirbance "

> > > > > > > > <kulbirbance@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Gurudev Umesh Sharma ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ise to aap hi spasht karenge, hum to aapki likhi

> > kitabein

> > > > > > > > > padhte hain, hum aapko kya spashtikaran denge,

kripya

> > aap

> > > > ki

> > > > > kasht

> > > > > > > > > karein.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > kulbirbance

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > <%

> > 40>,

> > > > " Umesh Sharma "

> > > > > > > > > mudit982001@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Respected Mahajan ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dariya main, ya nadi main, ya canal main Bahane

ke

> > upay

> > > > se

> > > > > aap

> > > > > > > ka

> > > > > > > > > > kya tatprya hai? kya isse koi grah kisi ghar main

> > sthapit

> > > > > hota

> > > > > > > hey

> > > > > > > > > > ya kuch aur hai? kripya kya aap esko spashat

> > karainge?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks in Advance.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Umesh Sharma

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > <%

> > 40>,

> > > > " varun_trvd "

> > > > > > > > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Aadarneeya Mahajan ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ap ne likha hai

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > " kyonki darya aur nehar ya chalta hua pani

> (saaf )

> > > > mein

> > > > > bahut

> > > > > > > > > > > antar hai, kulbir jee samajh gaye hain. "

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Mein yeh antar nahi samajh paya ki bahate

dariya

> ke

> > > > > paani aur

> > > > > > > > > > bahate

> > > > > > > > > > > nahar ke paani mein kya antar ho sakta hai?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dono kism ke paani ki taseer kaise badal jatee

> hai?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Kyonki jab tak taseer nahi badalti tab tak

upaya

> ke

> > > > > prabhav

> > > > > > > mein

> > > > > > > > > > > farq nahi padna chahiye. Aur agar paani ki

taseer

> > vahi

> > > > > rahati

> > > > > > > hai

> > > > > > > > > > [

> > > > > > > > > > > yani dono Chadra ke karak ] to phir chahe nadi

ka

> > paani

> > > > > ho ya

> > > > > > > > > > nahar

> > > > > > > > > > > ka, koi farq nahi padega.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Kripya ap hi bata den ki yah antar kya hai? aur

> > kyon

> > > > > hua ?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Aur agar Kulbir bhai samajh gaye hen to Kulbir

> > bhai hi

> > > > > bata

> > > > > > > den.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Doosare prashna ka uttar to ap ne diya hi nahi.

> > Surya 4

> > > > > ke

> > > > > > > samay

> > > > > > > > > > > rahu ki ashiya na bahayee jaye aisa kahan kaha

> hai?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Saadar sahit,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > <%

> > 40>,

> > > > " mts3434 "

> > > > > > > <mts3434@>

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Varun jee

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > baat yeh hai ki darya pandit jee ne kyon

likha,

> > behta

> > > > > pani

> > > > > > > kyon

> > > > > > > > > > > nahi

> > > > > > > > > > > > likha. kyonki darya aur nehar ya chalta hua

> pani

> > > > > (saaf )

> > > > > > > mein

> > > > > > > > > > bahut

> > > > > > > > > > > > antar hai, kulbir jee samajh gaye hain.

> > > > > > > > > > > > ab budh khana 9 mein dekhe, wahan unhone

likha

> > hai ki

> > > > > darya

> > > > > > > ke

> > > > > > > > > > pani

> > > > > > > > > > > > ke cheente kapde par maare ya darya ke pani

se

> > kapde

> > > > > dhoye (

> > > > > > > > > kora

> > > > > > > > > > > > suit ). yahan par bhee woh nehar ka pani likh

> > sakte

> > > > > thei.ya

> > > > > > > > > apne

> > > > > > > > > > > > kapde nehar mein dhoye( ya nehar ke paani ke

> > cheente

> > > > > mare )

> > > > > > > abb

> > > > > > > > > > > mein

> > > > > > > > > > > > yahan par hoon wahan par mere paas lk nahi

hai,

> > nahi

> > > > > to mein

> > > > > > > > > > page

> > > > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > > ka udaaran de ke batata. lk mein kai jagah

> likha

> > hua

> > > > > aapko

> > > > > > > mil

> > > > > > > > > > > > jayega ki upay aap behtey hue paani mein

kare (

> > > > > pravah ) ya

> > > > > > > > > kisi

> > > > > > > > > > > > jagah yeh saaf likha milega ki darya mein

> pravah

> > > > > karen. mere

> > > > > > > > > > khayal

> > > > > > > > > > > > mein yahan darya likha wahan aapko darya mein

> hee

> > > > upay

> > > > > karna

> > > > > > > > > > > chahiye

> > > > > > > > > > > > yahan chalta paani likha ho wahan aap darya /

> > nehar

> > > > > mein

> > > > > > > karwa

> > > > > > > > > > > sakte

> > > > > > > > > > > > hain. baki aap sab mujhse zyada samazdar

hain.

> > meri

> > > > aap

> > > > > > > logo ke

> > > > > > > > > > > aage

> > > > > > > > > > > > kya aukat. meri adat likhne ki kum hai,

issliye

> > kai

> > > > > baar

> > > > > > > apni

> > > > > > > > > > baat

> > > > > > > > > > > > sahi tarike se explain nahi kar pata. discuss

> > kare to

> > > > > sahi

> > > > > > > > > > tarike

> > > > > > > > > > > se

> > > > > > > > > > > > samjha sakta hoon. mera phone no shayad

kulbir

> > jee se

> > > > > mil

> > > > > > > > > > > jayega.aap

> > > > > > > > > > > > se baat karke ya mil kar bahut khushi hogi.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > mahajan

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > <%

> > 40>,

> > > > " varun_trvd "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Kulbir Bhai,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > When a karak object of a planet is immersed

> in

> > > > > flowing

> > > > > > > water,

> > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > assumed that the effect of the planet has

> been

> > > > > distanced

> > > > > > > > > away.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Flowing water is a medium or a carrier of

the

> > karak

> > > > > > > object.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore so long as the water is flowing

> > water, as

> > > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > > > > > stagnant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > water,it should be good enough.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > It hardly makes a difference whether the

> > flowing

> > > > > water is

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > river

> > > > > > > > > > > > > or a canal so long as the water carries

away

> > the

> > > > > karak

> > > > > > > object

> > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > planet.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > <%

> > 40>,

> > > > " kulbirbance "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > <kulbirbance@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > respected Mahajan Sahib;

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the copncept of dariya and canal appealed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to me. dariya is a natural running source

> of

> > > > water

> > > > > but

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > case

> > > > > > > > > > > > of a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > canal, water is first stored; read

stopped,

> > then

> > > > > sent in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > artificially created chanel, varun ji can

> > > > > elaborare on

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > issue

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > detail, but it appealled to me.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > kulbirbance

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > <%

> > 40>,

> > > > " mts3434 "

> > > > > > > > > > > <mts3434@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > varun jee/ kulbir jee/ gill jee

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kripya yeh bhee dhayan rakhe ki jab

> > > > > led/sikka/ranga

> > > > > > > > > dariya

> > > > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > pravah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kar rahen ho uss samay suraj ( sun )

> khana

> > > > > number 4

> > > > > > > mein

> > > > > > > > > na

> > > > > > > > > > > > ho .

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jis saal yeh upay karna ho uss saal

suraj

> > khana

> > > > > no. 4

> > > > > > > > > mein

> > > > > > > > > > na

> > > > > > > > > > > > ho.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > aur yeh upay driya mein hee karna hai

> nehar

> > > > mein

> > > > > > > nahi.yeh

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > hai

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > upay baki aur bhee kai baaton ka dhayan

> > rakhna

> > > > > hota

> > > > > > > hai,

> > > > > > > > > > > jaise

> > > > > > > > > > > > ki

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chhat na badle, ghar ki dahleej pujna

> > (south

> > > > > face )

> > > > > > > wale

> > > > > > > > > ke

> > > > > > > > > > > > liye

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jaroori hai.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mahajan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > >

<%

> > 40>,

> > > > " gill_hs2005 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <gill_hs2005@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Varun ji and kulbir ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sirs, thank you such a brilliant and

> > detailed

> > > > > > > > > > explanation.

> > > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > grateful for that.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With respect,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HS Gill

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > <%

> > 40>,

> > > > " kulbir

> > > > > > > > > > bance "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <kulbirbance@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gurudev,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks for this detailed

> explanation, i

> > > > agree

> > > > > > > > > totally.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerely

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kulbirbance

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/4/08, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Gill Saheb,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the first place let us

> understand

> > that

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > upaya

> > > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned, immersing 8 itmes

either

> > as

> > > > > 4pieces

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lead + 4 nariyals or 8 pieces of

> > Lead,

> > > > is a

> > > > > > > > > devised

> > > > > > > > > > > > upaya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i.e. it has been devised by the

Lal

> > Kitab

> > > > > > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > themselves. *This upaya is not

> > mentioned

> > > > > in the

> > > > > > > > > > book.*

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me explain:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Rahu # 8:*

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1941 edition : No mention of this

> > upaya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1942 edition : No mention of this

> > upaya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1952 edition : page 674 note # 5

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " khote sikke [kharabshuda aur

> > mande] jin

> > > > > ki

> > > > > > > bazaar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mein kuchh keemat na ho aur

zameen

> > pat

> > > > > takarane

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > se bilkul awaj na ho [ ya

> > > > > sikka,seesa,lead ]

> > > > > > > dariya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mein dalte jana mubarik hoga [

> > taqreeban

> > > > 8

> > > > > sikke

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ya har roj ek taqreeban 43 din]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [The book mentions 8 counterfeit

> > coins in

> > > > > one

> > > > > > > day

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or a coin each day for 43 days.

It

> > > > > mentions Lead

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or sikka or seesa too but it is

> > probably

> > > > > in the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > context of the coins]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Rahu # 11*

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1941 edition : no mention

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1942 edition : no mention

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1952 edition : no mention

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *But the Hindi transliteration of

> > 1942

> > > > > edition *

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *[ Arun sanhita ] has added on

its

> > own :*

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Rahu 8th : aath tukade sikke

ke

> > jinka

> > > > > vazan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12 kilo ho dariya mein dalen

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Rahu 11th : 4 kilo sikka

tatha

> 4

> > > > pooja

> > > > > vale

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nariyal dariya mein dalen

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But the upaya of immersing 8

pieces

> > of

> > > > > Lead /

> > > > > > > > > Nariyal

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or a mix there of is a perfectly

> > > > logically

> > > > > > > devised

> > > > > > > > > > > upaya.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Kulbir Ji has mentioned, Pt.

> > Krishna

> > > > > Ashant

> > > > > > > ji &

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amrita Preetam ji in their book "

> > *Trik

> > > > > > > bhavanon ki

> > > > > > > > > > > > gatha* "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have given a rationale of this

> > upaya. Pt.

> > > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > > Ashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ji

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maintains that the total quantity

> > should

> > > > > be 8 in

> > > > > > > > > > value

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where as it can be cut into

pieces

> > of 8,

> > > > > or 10

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > depending on the house affected.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Now let me explain the logic of

> this

> > > > > upaya*

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * as we have understood it :*

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The most important thing to

> remember

> > is

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > devised upaya is done only for

Rahu

> > in

> > > > 8th

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 11th and for no other house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Second thing to remember is the

> > figure

> > > > of 8

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in both the case. Therefore this

> > figure

> > > > is

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > related to the house the Rahu is

> > posited

> > > > > in.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If that were so then the figure

of

> 8

> > > > would

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been there for rahu in the

> > 11th. It

> > > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been 11 instead.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Now does some thing ring a bell

in

> > the

> > > > > mind ?*

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What a figure of 8 be related to

> the

> > 8th

> > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the 11th house?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, let me tell you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is moved 8 steps away.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which is the 8th house from the

> 8th?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And which is the 8th house from

the

> > 11th?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The answer is the 3rd and the

6th.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now by immersing a piece each day

> or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > immersing 8 pieces the same day

for

> > Rahu

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 8th, where does it take Rahu

> to?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To the 3rd house of course.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly, immersing 8 pieces

for a

> > rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in the 11th where would it

> > take it

> > > > > to?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To the 6th house of course.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now Rahu can not be better placed

> > than

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being in the 3rd or the 6th.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Therefore the purpose of the

upaya

> > is

> > > > to *

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *distance the Rahu such that it

> gets

> > > > based*

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * in the best houses it can ever

> be.*

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let me explain another issue

> that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir ji has raised.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Should the Nariyal be the one

with

> > water

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or the one which is completely

dry.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In our opinion the Nariyal should

> be

> > > > > completely

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dry because the Nariyal is an

> ashiya

> > of

> > > > > Shani.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any thing with water [ moon ] can

> > not be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an ashiya of Shani. The Nariyal

> used

> > in

> > > > > pooja

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is the one which is dry. Even

> > otherwise

> > > > > Shani

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is considered a 'shushka grah' a

> dry

> > > > > planet.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gill Saheb, it is not coconut.

> > Coconut is

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kernel. For upaya it is the

> Nariyal,

> > > > which

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the whole of it with coir intact.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was definitely a very

beautiful

> > query.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > <%

> > 40>,

> > > > " kulbirbance "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <kulbirbance@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gill sahib,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pt. Krishan ashant has

> beautifully

> > > > > explained

> > > > > > > rahu

> > > > > > > > > > 11

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remedy in his book but your

> > question

> > > > has

> > > > > > > posed a

> > > > > > > > > > new

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. i.e. shouls the 4 nariyals

be

> > > > sookhe

> > > > > > > khadkte

> > > > > > > > > > hue

> > > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > containing

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > water. i am in favour of

cocunuts

> > > > > containing

> > > > > > > > > water

> > > > > > > > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > water is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entraped in the shell. lets see

> > what

> > > > > varun ji

> > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > say

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regard. indeed very logical

> > question

> > > > has

> > > > > been

> > > > > > > put

> > > > > > > > > > > > forward

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > goodself.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sinccerely

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kulbirbance

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > <%

> > 40>,

> > > > " gill_hs2005 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gill_hs2005@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sirs,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Rahu there are different

> > remedy

> > > > > > > suggested

> > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > each

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for house 8th and the 11th.

For

> > both

> > > > > these

> > > > > > > > > > houses

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remedy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. In both cases 8 pieces

> have

> > > > been

> > > > > > > advised

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > flow

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > river.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It could be 4 pieces of ranga

> > and 4

> > > > > > > coconuts,

> > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > 8

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > pieces

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ranga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either way the total is 8

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir I can understand 8 pieces

> > thrown

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> > > > > > > flowing

> > > > > > > > > > > water

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th house but what is the

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