River vs Canal water /samandar / Umesh ji

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Respected Umesh ji,

 

If that were so then why not the house # 9 and house # 11.

 

Gifting at a temple or donating a thing is the same as immersing a

thing in flowing water. The concept is the same of distancing.

 

By gifting some thing at a temple does not mean that the karak vastu

gets established in the 2nd,9th,or11th house. It simply means that

we have left the planet [ karak vastu ] in the 'sharan' shelter of

the deity assuming that the planet wouldn't get nasty to us.

 

Similarly by immersing in a river a karak object we are leaving it

in the 'sharan' of the Mother Moon. In both cases it has been

distanced.

 

For establishing a thing in a khana the 'drishti path' is necessary.

Without the line of aspect a planet can not be established in a

house.

 

regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Umesh Sharma "

<mudit982001 wrote:

>

>

> Dear Varun ji,

> Sir,

> I quote the Farmaan N0.7 of 1952's edition of L K.

> Dharamsthan:

> Dharam palan, pooja-Path, Ishat-Sidhi, har majhab ke liye apni

shardhaa

> ki jagah aur Nastik ke liye chalta darya, Nadi va shani ka

chouraha hi

> dharma sthan ka kaam dengey.

> To kya bhav No.2 ko bhi l;iya jaye ?

>

 

> Regards

>

 

> Umesh Sharma

, " kulbir bance "

> <kulbirbance@> wrote:

> >

> > Gurudev,

> >

> > what i am trying to convey is that if 9th house was taken as

> > samandar then why can't dariya ka pani be denoted as house no4.

> >

> > sincerely

> >

> > kulbirbance

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > On 5/15/08, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Kulbir bhai,

> > >

> > > In that case the samandar was not used as a carrier of the

karak

> > > object, some thing that carries away the effects. Instead it

was

> > > used as denoting the 9th house. If you remember the upaya

suugested

> > > was to immerse in a samandar a silver figurine of a lady for

venus

> > > placed in the 9th house.

> > >

> > > Yes, samandar as a huge store of water can be included.

> > >

> > > I hope I had understood your request correctly.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Varun Trivedi

> > >

> > > --- In

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> > > " kulbirbance "

> > > kulbirbance@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Varun ji,

> > > >

> > > > it would be appropriate if the upaye of samandar as

> > > > written in kundali sent by umesh ji be included in this

discusion

> > > > while determining taseer of water.

> > > >

> > > > regards

> > > >

> > > > kulbirbance

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- In

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> m>,

> > > " varun_trvd "

> > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Aadarneeya Mahajan ji,

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > You have said " lk mein kahin na kahin zaroor likha hai,

> > > > > ki iss kitab ( lk ) mein jo upay likhe hain, sirf wohi

karen,

> > > apne

> > > > > aap na upay na banaye. "

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > We do not agree with that.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > To the best of our knowledge no such instructions are given

> > > > >

> > > > > in the Book that a Lal Kitab scholar can not formulate a

new

> > > > >

> > > > > upaya. The Lal Kitab upaya are not 'Jaadoo Tona' which

> > > > > have

> > > > >

> > > > > to stay as such and should not be modified or devised

afresh.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I am afraid, it is this attitude of some Lal Kitab

followers

> > > > which

> > > > >

> > > > > made other astrologers believe that the Lal Kitab is not a

book

> > > > >

> > > > > of astrology and instead it is a book of 'Totka & Tonas'.

> > > > > It is

> > > > >

> > > > > this general perception that we are trying hard to dispel.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > We do not treat the Lal Kitab as a closed system. We treat

> > > > >

> > > > > Lal Kitab astrology as a living organism which grows. If

any

> > > > >

> > > > > one treats this system as a closed system it will soon

become

> > > > >

> > > > > a dogma and subsequently get fossilized. Therefore all such

> > > > >

> > > > > upaya which have been devised according to the principles

> > > > >

> > > > > of the Lal Kitab are acceptable to us.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Now coming to the concept of a River and a Canal.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > We believe that the swabhav [ taaseer ] of the flowing

water

> > > > >

> > > > > doesn't change in both these cases. In both the cases the

> > > > >

> > > > > flowing water stays the Karak of the moon. In both cases

> > > > >

> > > > > the water is fresh. If there comes about a change, at least

> > > > >

> > > > > we do not know about it. And this is what we had asked you,

> > > > >

> > > > > what difference comes about in the taaseer of the water in

> > > > >

> > > > > both the cases?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Now let us talk about the dharma of the water. In both the

> > > > >

> > > > > cases the cooling property of the water remains the same.

> > > > >

> > > > > The dharma of the flowing water is to carry an object away;

> > > > >

> > > > > distancing. This remains the same whether it is the flowing

> > > > >

> > > > > water of a river or a canal.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Therefore neither the swabhav nor the dharma changes.

> > > > >

> > > > > Then where is the difference. I think it is in our minds.

> > > > >

> > > > > Since the word 'dariyaa' river is used in the Book, we

> > > > > want

> > > > >

> > > > > to keep sticking to that. Mentally we are not prepared to

> > > > >

> > > > > accept a canal as a substitute for a river.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > We have nothing against those who have such mental blocks.

> > > > >

> > > > > For all we care, they could continue with their own

precepts.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > In one of my messages yesterday I have already explained

> > > > >

> > > > > the purpose of immersing karak objects in flowing water.

> > > > >

> > > > > The other possible purpose could have been of cooling or

> > > > >

> > > > > handing over to the Mother moon, but that is a separate

matter.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > You have mentioned different forms of water. All of us are

> > > > >

> > > > > aware of them. All of us are also aware how and for what

> > > > >

> > > > > these different forms of water have to be used. Except for

> > > > >

> > > > > the river / canal flowing water, no other form mentioned by

> > > > >

> > > > > you is used for distancing the effect of a planet.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > You have not explained the difference between

> > > > >

> > > > > the flowing water of a canal and a river.

> > > > >

> > > > > If you can not explain the difference then might

> > > > >

> > > > > as well accept the two being the same

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > You have asked what a Lal Kitab scholar should do for

> > > > >

> > > > > Venus 8th. The answer is simple:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > [ a ] make the jatak flush down the toilet a pink flower [

the

> > > > flower

> > > > >

> > > > > should not be white or yellow ] each day for 43 days. The

book

> > > > >

> > > > > doesn't mention this upaya. But this upaya is what one

could

> > > > >

> > > > > get closest to throwing a flower into a sewage drain.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Quite a few other alternatives to this upaya can be

> > > > >

> > > > > devised with a very great ease.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

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> m>,

> > > " mts3434 " <mts3434@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaskar

> > > > > > mein iss samay yahan par hoon , mere paas lk nahi hai.

aap

> khud

> > > > hee

> > > > > > sochen ki Pt. jee ne dariya hee kyon likha hai. Baat rahi

> antar

> > > > ki,

> > > > > > kee nehar aur dariya mein kya antar hai. Mein koshish

karta

> > > hoon

> > > > ki

> > > > > > samjha sankoo. Aapke brabr na to mere paas gyan hai, na

hee

> > > mein

> > > > apne

> > > > > > aapko gyani samjhata hoon. lk mein kahin na kahin zaroor

likha

> > > > hai,

> > > > > > ki iss kitab ( lk ) mein jo upay likhe hain, sirf wohi

karen,

> > > > apne

> > > > > > aap na upay na banaye.

> > > > > > Agar aap iss baat ko manege to yeh bhee manana padega ki

> dariya

> > > > aur

> > > > > > nehar mein antar hota hai, ya hai. Kyonki lk mein kai

jagah

> par

> > > > likha

> > > > > > hai ki yeh upay ( dariya mein bahaye/dariya ka pani aadi

> )varna

> > > > clear

> > > > > > kiya hai ki pani mein bahaye ( saaf pani jo ki nehar ho

sakti

> > > > hai ).

> > > > > > Jaise ki for example aap dahi (curd ) likha hai to aap

dahi ka

> > > > hee

> > > > > > istemaal karen. Aap dahi ko mixer mein ek circle chala

de ya

> > > aap

> > > > dahi

> > > > > > ko madhani achhi tarah se ghuma de, lekin usmein water,

salt

> ya

> > > > sugar

> > > > > > na milaye to bhee woh dahi nahi rahega. aap usse lassi

hee

> > > > kahenge (

> > > > > > thick lassi )iss tarah ke aur bhee example diye ja sakte

hain

> > > ki

> > > > kisi

> > > > > > mein kuchh nahi milaya lekin uski tasir ya naam badal

gaya.

> > > > > > Aise hee dariya se nehar, nehar se sua ( yeh punjabi ka

word

> > > hai

> > > > > > jiska matlab saaf pani ka nala bhee keh sakte hai) jo ki

> > > village

> > > > mein

> > > > > > aam mil jata hai, kheti badi wali zameen ko pani ke

liye .

> > > nehar

> > > > aur

> > > > > > sua dono naam alag hai aise hee dariya ka matlab dariya

hai

> koi

> > > > aur

> > > > > > nahi ( matlab ki nehar nahi ) lk mein pani ka bahut hee

> > > imprtant

> > > > role

> > > > > > hai pani kee alag alag kisme aapko milegi jaise ki

> > > > > > 1... Dariya ka paani--

> > > > > > 2... meenh ka paani ( Rain water )

> > > > > > 3... Shamshan ka paani

> > > > > > 4... Gangajal

> > > > > > 5... Chhapr ka paani ( shani khan no 6 )

> > > > > > 6... Gandanala ( shukar khana no 8 ) yeh paani nahi lekin

> issme

> > > > ganda

> > > > > > paani to behta hee hai

> > > > > > agar aur bhee kuchh ho to aap samjha dein . aapki bahut

> > > meharbani

> > > > > > hogi.

> > > > > > dhanyawad.

> > > > > > mahajan

> > > > > > P.S..... aajkal shehron mein gandanala nahi milta to yeh

> bataye

> > > > ki

> > > > > > aaplog phul/tambe ka paise kismein girwate ho (shukar-8 )

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In

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> m>,

> > > " varun_trvd "

> > > varun_trvd@

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Kulbir Bhai,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This is yet another fallacy created by Lal Kitab semi-

> > > > literates.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The fact is that immersing some thing in flowing water

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > is not associated with the 4th house in any way.

Immersing

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > some thing in flowing water simply means distancing the

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > effect of the planet.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Let us see what Pt. Roopchand ji has to say about it.

I am

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > quoting two statements from the book:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mithai, meetha bhojan daan karen ya batashe dariyaa

mein

> > > dalen

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mooli daan karen ya koyale dariyaa mein baha den

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now you can see for yourself that donating or gifting

away

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > has been used synonymously to drifting away in flowing

> water.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The purpose is obvious, to distance away.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > These statements occur in both the 1942 and 1952

editions.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

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> > > " kulbirbance "

> > > > > > > <kulbirbance@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Gurudev Umesh Sharma ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ise to aap hi spasht karenge, hum to aapki likhi

kitabein

> > > > > > > > padhte hain, hum aapko kya spashtikaran denge,

kripya aap

> > > ki

> > > > kasht

> > > > > > > > karein.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > kulbirbance

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

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> m>,

> > > " Umesh Sharma "

> > > > > > > > mudit982001@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Respected Mahajan ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dariya main, ya nadi main, ya canal main Bahane ke

upay

> > > se

> > > > aap

> > > > > > ka

> > > > > > > > > kya tatprya hai? kya isse koi grah kisi ghar main

> sthapit

> > > > hota

> > > > > > hey

> > > > > > > > > ya kuch aur hai? kripya kya aap esko spashat

karainge?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks in Advance.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Umesh Sharma

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

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> > > " varun_trvd "

> > > > > > > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Aadarneeya Mahajan ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ap ne likha hai

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " kyonki darya aur nehar ya chalta hua pani

(saaf )

> > > mein

> > > > bahut

> > > > > > > > > > antar hai, kulbir jee samajh gaye hain. "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Mein yeh antar nahi samajh paya ki bahate dariya

ke

> > > > paani aur

> > > > > > > > > bahate

> > > > > > > > > > nahar ke paani mein kya antar ho sakta hai?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dono kism ke paani ki taseer kaise badal jatee

hai?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Kyonki jab tak taseer nahi badalti tab tak upaya

ke

> > > > prabhav

> > > > > > mein

> > > > > > > > > > farq nahi padna chahiye. Aur agar paani ki

taseer vahi

> > > > rahati

> > > > > > hai

> > > > > > > > > [

> > > > > > > > > > yani dono Chadra ke karak ] to phir chahe nadi ka

> paani

> > > > ho ya

> > > > > > > > > nahar

> > > > > > > > > > ka, koi farq nahi padega.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Kripya ap hi bata den ki yah antar kya hai? aur

kyon

> > > > hua ?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Aur agar Kulbir bhai samajh gaye hen to Kulbir

bhai hi

> > > > bata

> > > > > > den.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Doosare prashna ka uttar to ap ne diya hi nahi.

Surya

> 4

> > > > ke

> > > > > > samay

> > > > > > > > > > rahu ki ashiya na bahayee jaye aisa kahan kaha

hai?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Saadar sahit,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

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> > > " mts3434 "

> > > > > > <mts3434@>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Varun jee

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > baat yeh hai ki darya pandit jee ne kyon likha,

> behta

> > > > pani

> > > > > > kyon

> > > > > > > > > > nahi

> > > > > > > > > > > likha. kyonki darya aur nehar ya chalta hua

pani

> > > > (saaf )

> > > > > > mein

> > > > > > > > > bahut

> > > > > > > > > > > antar hai, kulbir jee samajh gaye hain.

> > > > > > > > > > > ab budh khana 9 mein dekhe, wahan unhone likha

hai

> ki

> > > > darya

> > > > > > ke

> > > > > > > > > pani

> > > > > > > > > > > ke cheente kapde par maare ya darya ke pani se

kapde

> > > > dhoye (

> > > > > > > > kora

> > > > > > > > > > > suit ). yahan par bhee woh nehar ka pani likh

sakte

> > > > thei.ya

> > > > > > > > apne

> > > > > > > > > > > kapde nehar mein dhoye( ya nehar ke paani ke

cheente

> > > > mare )

> > > > > > abb

> > > > > > > > > > mein

> > > > > > > > > > > yahan par hoon wahan par mere paas lk nahi

hai, nahi

> > > > to mein

> > > > > > > > > page

> > > > > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > > > ka udaaran de ke batata. lk mein kai jagah

likha hua

> > > > aapko

> > > > > > mil

> > > > > > > > > > > jayega ki upay aap behtey hue paani mein kare (

> > > > pravah ) ya

> > > > > > > > kisi

> > > > > > > > > > > jagah yeh saaf likha milega ki darya mein

pravah

> > > > karen. mere

> > > > > > > > > khayal

> > > > > > > > > > > mein yahan darya likha wahan aapko darya mein

hee

> > > upay

> > > > karna

> > > > > > > > > > chahiye

> > > > > > > > > > > yahan chalta paani likha ho wahan aap darya /

nehar

> > > > mein

> > > > > > karwa

> > > > > > > > > > sakte

> > > > > > > > > > > hain. baki aap sab mujhse zyada samazdar hain.

meri

> > > aap

> > > > > > logo ke

> > > > > > > > > > aage

> > > > > > > > > > > kya aukat. meri adat likhne ki kum hai,

issliye kai

> > > > baar

> > > > > > apni

> > > > > > > > > baat

> > > > > > > > > > > sahi tarike se explain nahi kar pata. discuss

kare

> to

> > > > sahi

> > > > > > > > > tarike

> > > > > > > > > > se

> > > > > > > > > > > samjha sakta hoon. mera phone no shayad kulbir

jee

> se

> > > > mil

> > > > > > > > > > jayega.aap

> > > > > > > > > > > se baat karke ya mil kar bahut khushi hogi.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > mahajan

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > >

> <%

40.co\

> m>,

> > > " varun_trvd "

> > > > > > > > > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Kulbir Bhai,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > When a karak object of a planet is immersed

in

> > > > flowing

> > > > > > water,

> > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > assumed that the effect of the planet has

been

> > > > distanced

> > > > > > > > away.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Flowing water is a medium or a carrier of the

> karak

> > > > > > object.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore so long as the water is flowing

water,

> as

> > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > > > > stagnant

> > > > > > > > > > > > water,it should be good enough.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > It hardly makes a difference whether the

flowing

> > > > water is

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > river

> > > > > > > > > > > > or a canal so long as the water carries away

the

> > > > karak

> > > > > > object

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > planet.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > >

> <%

40.co\

> m>,

> > > " kulbirbance "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <kulbirbance@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > respected Mahajan Sahib;

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the copncept of dariya and canal appealed

> > > > > > > > > > > > > to me. dariya is a natural running source

of

> > > water

> > > > but

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > case

> > > > > > > > > > > of a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > canal, water is first stored; read

stopped, then

> > > > sent in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > artificially created chanel, varun ji can

> > > > elaborare on

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > issue

> > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > detail, but it appealled to me.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > kulbirbance

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > >

> <%

40.co\

> m>,

> > > " mts3434 "

> > > > > > > > > > <mts3434@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > varun jee/ kulbir jee/ gill jee

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > kripya yeh bhee dhayan rakhe ki jab

> > > > led/sikka/ranga

> > > > > > > > dariya

> > > > > > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > > > > > pravah

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > kar rahen ho uss samay suraj ( sun )

khana

> > > > number 4

> > > > > > mein

> > > > > > > > na

> > > > > > > > > > > ho .

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > jis saal yeh upay karna ho uss saal suraj

> khana

> > > > no. 4

> > > > > > > > mein

> > > > > > > > > na

> > > > > > > > > > > ho.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > aur yeh upay driya mein hee karna hai

nehar

> > > mein

> > > > > > nahi.yeh

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > hai

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > upay baki aur bhee kai baaton ka dhayan

rakhna

> > > > hota

> > > > > > hai,

> > > > > > > > > > jaise

> > > > > > > > > > > ki

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > chhat na badle, ghar ki dahleej pujna

(south

> > > > face )

> > > > > > wale

> > > > > > > > ke

> > > > > > > > > > > liye

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > jaroori hai.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mahajan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > >

> <%

40.co\

> m>,

> > > " gill_hs2005 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <gill_hs2005@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Varun ji and kulbir ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sirs, thank you such a brilliant and

> detailed

> > > > > > > > > explanation.

> > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > grateful for that.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With respect,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HS Gill

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > >

> <%

40.co\

> m>,

> > > " kulbir

> > > > > > > > > bance "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <kulbirbance@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gurudev,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks for this detailed

explanation, i

> > > agree

> > > > > > > > totally.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerely

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kulbirbance

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/4/08, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Gill Saheb,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the first place let us

understand

> that

> > > > the

> > > > > > upaya

> > > > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mentioned, immersing 8 itmes

either as

> > > > 4pieces

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lead + 4 nariyals or 8 pieces of

Lead,

> > > is a

> > > > > > > > devised

> > > > > > > > > > > upaya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i.e. it has been devised by the Lal

> Kitab

> > > > > > > > astrologers

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > themselves. *This upaya is not

mentioned

> > > > in the

> > > > > > > > > book.*

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me explain:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Rahu # 8:*

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1941 edition : No mention of this

upaya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1942 edition : No mention of this

upaya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1952 edition : page 674 note # 5

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " khote sikke [kharabshuda aur

mande]

> jin

> > > > ki

> > > > > > bazaar

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mein kuchh keemat na ho aur zameen

pat

> > > > takarane

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > se bilkul awaj na ho [ ya

> > > > sikka,seesa,lead ]

> > > > > > dariya

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mein dalte jana mubarik hoga [

taqreeban

> > > 8

> > > > sikke

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ya har roj ek taqreeban 43 din]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [The book mentions 8 counterfeit

coins

> in

> > > > one

> > > > > > day

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or a coin each day for 43 days. It

> > > > mentions Lead

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or sikka or seesa too but it is

probably

> > > > in the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > context of the coins]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Rahu # 11*

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1941 edition : no mention

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1942 edition : no mention

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1952 edition : no mention

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *But the Hindi transliteration of

1942

> > > > edition *

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *[ Arun sanhita ] has added on its

own

> :*

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Rahu 8th : aath tukade sikke ke

> jinka

> > > > vazan

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 12 kilo ho dariya mein dalen

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Rahu 11th : 4 kilo sikka tatha

4

> > > pooja

> > > > vale

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nariyal dariya mein dalen

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But the upaya of immersing 8

pieces of

> > > > Lead /

> > > > > > > > Nariyal

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or a mix there of is a perfectly

> > > logically

> > > > > > devised

> > > > > > > > > > upaya.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Kulbir Ji has mentioned, Pt.

Krishna

> > > > Ashant

> > > > > > ji &

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amrita Preetam ji in their book "

*Trik

> > > > > > bhavanon ki

> > > > > > > > > > > gatha* "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have given a rationale of this

upaya.

> Pt.

> > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > > > > > > > Ashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > ji

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maintains that the total quantity

should

> > > > be 8 in

> > > > > > > > > value

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where as it can be cut into pieces

of 8,

> > > > or 10

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > depending on the house affected.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Now let me explain the logic of

this

> > > > upaya*

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * as we have understood it :*

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The most important thing to

remember is

> > > > that

> > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > devised upaya is done only for

Rahu in

> > > 8th

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 11th and for no other house.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Second thing to remember is the

figure

> > > of 8

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in both the case. Therefore this

figure

> > > is

> > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > related to the house the Rahu is

posited

> > > > in.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If that were so then the figure of

8

> > > would

> > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been there for rahu in the

11th. It

> > > > would

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have been 11 instead.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Now does some thing ring a bell

in the

> > > > mind ?*

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What a figure of 8 be related to

the 8th

> > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the 11th house?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, let me tell you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu is moved 8 steps away.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which is the 8th house from the

8th?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And which is the 8th house from the

> 11th?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The answer is the 3rd and the 6th.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now by immersing a piece each day

or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > immersing 8 pieces the same day

for Rahu

> > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 8th, where does it take Rahu

to?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To the 3rd house of course.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly, immersing 8 pieces for

a rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > placed in the 11th where would it

take

> it

> > > > to?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To the 6th house of course.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now Rahu can not be better placed

than

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being in the 3rd or the 6th.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Therefore the purpose of the

upaya is

> > > to *

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *distance the Rahu such that it

gets

> > > based*

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * in the best houses it can ever

be.*

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let me explain another issue

that

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir ji has raised.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Should the Nariyal be the one with

water

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or the one which is completely dry.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In our opinion the Nariyal should

be

> > > > completely

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dry because the Nariyal is an

ashiya of

> > > > Shani.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any thing with water [ moon ] can

not be

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an ashiya of Shani. The Nariyal

used in

> > > > pooja

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is the one which is dry. Even

otherwise

> > > > Shani

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is considered a 'shushka grah' a

dry

> > > > planet.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gill Saheb, it is not coconut.

Coconut

> is

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kernel. For upaya it is the

Nariyal,

> > > which

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the whole of it with coir intact.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It was definitely a very beautiful

> query.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > >

> <%

40.co\

> m>,

> > > " kulbirbance "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <kulbirbance@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gill sahib,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pt. Krishan ashant has

beautifully

> > > > explained

> > > > > > rahu

> > > > > > > > > 11

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > remedy in his book but your

question

> > > has

> > > > > > posed a

> > > > > > > > > new

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > question

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > me. i.e. shouls the 4 nariyals be

> > > sookhe

> > > > > > khadkte

> > > > > > > > > hue

> > > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > containing

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > water. i am in favour of cocunuts

> > > > containing

> > > > > > > > water

> > > > > > > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > water is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entraped in the shell. lets see

what

> > > > varun ji

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > say

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regard. indeed very logical

question

> > > has

> > > > been

> > > > > > put

> > > > > > > > > > > forward

> > > > > > > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > goodself.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sinccerely

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kulbirbance

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > > > > > >

> <%

40.co\

> m>,

> > > " gill_hs2005 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gill_hs2005@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sirs,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For Rahu there are different

remedy

> > > > > > suggested

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > each

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > except

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for house 8th and the 11th.

For both

> > > > these

> > > > > > > > > houses

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > remedy

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same. In both cases 8 pieces

have

> > > been

> > > > > > advised

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > flow

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > into a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > river.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It could be 4 pieces of ranga

and 4

> > > > > > coconuts,

> > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > 8

> > > > > > > > > > > > > pieces

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ranga.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either way the total is 8

pieces.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir I can understand 8 pieces

thrown

> > > in

> > > > > > flowing

> > > > > > > > > > water

> > > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8th house but what is the

logic of

> > > > throwing

> > > > > > 8

> > > > > > > > > > pieces

> > > > > > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rahu in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 11th.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respectfully,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HS Gill

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

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