Guest guest Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 Dear Varun ji, Lal Kitab advises that a person with the combination of Sun + Jupiter + Saturn should keep in his jaddi house agricultural things on parchhatti for good results. Jaddi house is understandable because of the Jupiter in the combination, but where did the agriculture things come from ? Could you please throw some light on that ? Sincerely, H S Gill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 Respected Gill Saheb, A very interesting query, and an even more interesting logic behind the upaya suggested by the book. Before I come to explain as to how the agricultural items came into the scene let me quote what the book says : Jab teve wale ke rihayshi makan [ jaddi ya bujurgana, pita dada ka ] mein dakhil hote huye danye hath ki deewar ke khatme par andheri kothari ho aur us mein shelf [ tarchhati] jis par samaan jamaa rakkha jata hai par kheti bari ke mutallka saz-o-saman maujood hon to teeno hi grahon ka koi bura asar na hoga [ 1952 urdu ed; page 913 ] Let us examine the upaya now : Jaddi ya bujurgana [ Jupiter ] makan [ Saturn ] andheri kothari [ Saturn ] kheti-bari ka saman [ venus ] Jupiter and the Saturn are explained above. Now where did the venus come from ? Jupiter = sun + venus Sun = mercury + venus Saturn = Jupiter + venus Venus is a common constituent of all the three planets involved, venus is a part of all the three. Now you know where from the kheti-bari items came into the picture Now let us get back to the upaya once again. When kheti-bari ka saman [ venus ] is placed in the andheri kothari [ Saturn ] of the makan [ Saturn ] then the equation becomes : Saturn + Venus = Ketu This makan is jaddi or belonging to fore fathers [ Jupiter ] Hence the final equation becomes : Jupiter + Ketu As we all know that the Jupiter + ketu combination is auspicious and beneficial. The upaya finally converts the three planets into effective form of Jupiter + ketu It is for this reason the book suggests the upaya quoted above. Regards, Varun Trivedi , "gill_hs2005" <gill_hs2005 wrote:>> Dear Varun ji,> > Lal Kitab advises that a person with the combination of Sun + Jupiter + > Saturn should keep in his jaddi house agricultural things on parchhatti > for good results. Jaddi house is understandable because of the Jupiter > in the combination, but where did the agriculture things come from ? > Could you please throw some light on that ?> > Sincerely,> > H S Gill> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Trivedi Jee, kripya yeh bhee bataye ki kheti bari ka saman jo apne kaha hai woh kiska bana hua hona chahiye, lakkar ka ya lohe ka, tatha aisa kaun sa kheti bari ka saman hai jo ki self par rakha ja sake ( ya rakha hua hota thaa uss samay 1939- se lekar 1952tak ki baat kar raha hoon )kripya isko bhee explain kar dein to apki badi meharbani hogi. aap jo bhee item likhe kripya yeh bhee bataye ki woh kaise venus ki hogi. Mahajan , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > > Respected Gill Saheb, > > > > A very interesting query, and an even more interesting > > logic behind the upaya suggested by the book. > > > > Before I come to explain as to how the agricultural > > items came into the scene let me quote what the book > > says : > > > > Jab teve wale ke rihayshi makan [ jaddi ya bujurgana, > > pita dada ka ] mein dakhil hote huye danye hath ki > > deewar ke khatme par andheri kothari ho aur us mein > > shelf [ tarchhati] jis par samaan jamaa rakkha jata hai > > par kheti bari ke mutallka saz-o-saman maujood hon > > to teeno hi grahon ka koi bura asar na hoga > > [ 1952 urdu ed; page 913 ] > > > > Let us examine the upaya now : > > > > Jaddi ya bujurgana [ Jupiter ] makan [ Saturn ] > > andheri kothari [ Saturn ] kheti-bari ka saman [ venus ] > > > > Jupiter and the Saturn are explained above. Now > > where did the venus come from ? > > > > Jupiter = sun + venus > > Sun = mercury + venus > > Saturn = Jupiter + venus > > > > Venus is a common constituent of all the three planets > > involved, venus is a part of all the three. Now you know > > where from the kheti-bari items came into the picture > > > > Now let us get back to the upaya once again. > > > > When kheti-bari ka saman [ venus ] is placed in the > > andheri kothari [ Saturn ] of the makan [ Saturn ] > > then the equation becomes : > > > > Saturn + Venus = Ketu > > > > This makan is jaddi or belonging to fore fathers [ Jupiter ] > > > > Hence the final equation becomes : > > > > Jupiter + Ketu > > > > As we all know that the Jupiter + ketu combination > > is auspicious and beneficial. The upaya finally converts > > the three planets into effective form of Jupiter + ketu > > > > It is for this reason the book suggests the upaya > > quoted above. > > > > Regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " gill_hs2005 " > <gill_hs2005@> wrote: > > > > Dear Varun ji, > > > > Lal Kitab advises that a person with the combination of Sun + Jupiter > + > > Saturn should keep in his jaddi house agricultural things on > parchhatti > > for good results. Jaddi house is understandable because of the Jupiter > > in the combination, but where did the agriculture things come from ? > > Could you please throw some light on that ? > > > > Sincerely, > > > > H S Gill > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Aadarneeya Mahajan ji, amooman kheti-bari ka saman jo jaddi ghar ke andar kamare mein kisi shelf par rakha ja sake voh beej[ seeds ] ke vaste rakha gaya anaaj hi ho sakta hai. villages mein kheti bari ke bhari saman jaise hal [ plough ], phavara [ spade ],kudal [ pick ] vagairah ghar ke andar kamare ki shelf par nahi rakhe jate. Yeh sab cheezen amooman ghar se bahar gher ya nauhare [ where animals live ] mein hi rakhe jate hain, aur voh bhi zameen par na ki shelf par. Adar sahit, Varun Trivedi , " heartzthief54 " <heartzthief54 wrote: > > Trivedi Jee, > > kripya yeh bhee bataye ki kheti bari ka saman jo apne kaha hai woh > kiska bana hua hona chahiye, lakkar ka ya lohe ka, tatha aisa kaun > sa kheti bari ka saman hai jo ki self par rakha ja sake ( ya rakha > hua hota thaa uss samay 1939- se lekar 1952tak ki baat kar raha > hoon )kripya isko bhee explain kar dein to apki badi meharbani hogi. > aap jo bhee item likhe kripya yeh bhee bataye ki woh kaise venus ki > hogi. > > Mahajan > > > , " varun_trvd " > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Gill Saheb, > > > > > > > > A very interesting query, and an even more interesting > > > > logic behind the upaya suggested by the book. > > > > > > > > Before I come to explain as to how the agricultural > > > > items came into the scene let me quote what the book > > > > says : > > > > > > > > Jab teve wale ke rihayshi makan [ jaddi ya bujurgana, > > > > pita dada ka ] mein dakhil hote huye danye hath ki > > > > deewar ke khatme par andheri kothari ho aur us mein > > > > shelf [ tarchhati] jis par samaan jamaa rakkha jata hai > > > > par kheti bari ke mutallka saz-o-saman maujood hon > > > > to teeno hi grahon ka koi bura asar na hoga > > > > [ 1952 urdu ed; page 913 ] > > > > > > > > Let us examine the upaya now : > > > > > > > > Jaddi ya bujurgana [ Jupiter ] makan [ Saturn ] > > > > andheri kothari [ Saturn ] kheti-bari ka saman [ venus ] > > > > > > > > Jupiter and the Saturn are explained above. Now > > > > where did the venus come from ? > > > > > > > > Jupiter = sun + venus > > > > Sun = mercury + venus > > > > Saturn = Jupiter + venus > > > > > > > > Venus is a common constituent of all the three planets > > > > involved, venus is a part of all the three. Now you know > > > > where from the kheti-bari items came into the picture > > > > > > > > Now let us get back to the upaya once again. > > > > > > > > When kheti-bari ka saman [ venus ] is placed in the > > > > andheri kothari [ Saturn ] of the makan [ Saturn ] > > > > then the equation becomes : > > > > > > > > Saturn + Venus = Ketu > > > > > > > > This makan is jaddi or belonging to fore fathers [ Jupiter ] > > > > > > > > Hence the final equation becomes : > > > > > > > > Jupiter + Ketu > > > > > > > > As we all know that the Jupiter + ketu combination > > > > is auspicious and beneficial. The upaya finally converts > > > > the three planets into effective form of Jupiter + ketu > > > > > > > > It is for this reason the book suggests the upaya > > > > quoted above. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " gill_hs2005 " > > <gill_hs2005@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Varun ji, > > > > > > Lal Kitab advises that a person with the combination of Sun + > Jupiter > > + > > > Saturn should keep in his jaddi house agricultural things on > > parchhatti > > > for good results. Jaddi house is understandable because of the > Jupiter > > > in the combination, but where did the agriculture things come > from ? > > > Could you please throw some light on that ? > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > H S Gill > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Dear Varun ji, Thanks for the explanation. Just another related query. If agricuture items include things like khurpi, hasiya etc which are made of iron and wood both karaks of Saturn, then how will the equation shape? Sincerely, H S Gill , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > > Respected Gill Saheb, > > > > A very interesting query, and an even more interesting > > logic behind the upaya suggested by the book. > > > > Before I come to explain as to how the agricultural > > items came into the scene let me quote what the book > > says : > > > > Jab teve wale ke rihayshi makan [ jaddi ya bujurgana, > > pita dada ka ] mein dakhil hote huye danye hath ki > > deewar ke khatme par andheri kothari ho aur us mein > > shelf [ tarchhati] jis par samaan jamaa rakkha jata hai > > par kheti bari ke mutallka saz-o-saman maujood hon > > to teeno hi grahon ka koi bura asar na hoga > > [ 1952 urdu ed; page 913 ] > > > > Let us examine the upaya now : > > > > Jaddi ya bujurgana [ Jupiter ] makan [ Saturn ] > > andheri kothari [ Saturn ] kheti-bari ka saman [ venus ] > > > > Jupiter and the Saturn are explained above. Now > > where did the venus come from ? > > > > Jupiter = sun + venus > > Sun = mercury + venus > > Saturn = Jupiter + venus > > > > Venus is a common constituent of all the three planets > > involved, venus is a part of all the three. Now you know > > where from the kheti-bari items came into the picture > > > > Now let us get back to the upaya once again. > > > > When kheti-bari ka saman [ venus ] is placed in the > > andheri kothari [ Saturn ] of the makan [ Saturn ] > > then the equation becomes : > > > > Saturn + Venus = Ketu > > > > This makan is jaddi or belonging to fore fathers [ Jupiter ] > > > > Hence the final equation becomes : > > > > Jupiter + Ketu > > > > As we all know that the Jupiter + ketu combination > > is auspicious and beneficial. The upaya finally converts > > the three planets into effective form of Jupiter + ketu > > > > It is for this reason the book suggests the upaya > > quoted above. > > > > Regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " gill_hs2005 " > <gill_hs2005@> wrote: > > > > Dear Varun ji, > > > > Lal Kitab advises that a person with the combination of Sun + Jupiter > + > > Saturn should keep in his jaddi house agricultural things on > parchhatti > > for good results. Jaddi house is understandable because of the Jupiter > > in the combination, but where did the agriculture things come from ? > > Could you please throw some light on that ? > > > > Sincerely, > > > > H S Gill > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Respected Gill sahib, Dear me, you've raised yet another important query. Weapons are made of iron but they are not a karak object of Saturn, instead they are a karak object of Mars. Here the karkatwa is decided not on the basis of what a weapon is made of but on the basis of what it is used for. Similarly the tools used in kheti-bari, irrespective of what they are made of, would be a karak object of Venus. Therefore khurpee or hasiya if used in kheti-bari it will be a karak object of Venus. But the same hasiya if used for murder will be taken as a karak of Mars. In the villages a hasiya is very often used as a weapon for striking at the neck of the enemy. Those who consider the kheti-bari ke tools as a karak of Saturn, it is their choice. We have no arguments with them. Regards, Varun Trivedi , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > > Respected Gill Saheb, > > > > A very interesting query, and an even more interesting > > logic behind the upaya suggested by the book. > > > > Before I come to explain as to how the agricultural > > items came into the scene let me quote what the book > > says : > > > > Jab teve wale ke rihayshi makan [ jaddi ya bujurgana, > > pita dada ka ] mein dakhil hote huye danye hath ki > > deewar ke khatme par andheri kothari ho aur us mein > > shelf [ tarchhati] jis par samaan jamaa rakkha jata hai > > par kheti bari ke mutallka saz-o-saman maujood hon > > to teeno hi grahon ka koi bura asar na hoga > > [ 1952 urdu ed; page 913 ] > > > > Let us examine the upaya now : > > > > Jaddi ya bujurgana [ Jupiter ] makan [ Saturn ] > > andheri kothari [ Saturn ] kheti-bari ka saman [ venus ] > > > > Jupiter and the Saturn are explained above. Now > > where did the venus come from ? > > > > Jupiter = sun + venus > > Sun = mercury + venus > > Saturn = Jupiter + venus > > > > Venus is a common constituent of all the three planets > > involved, venus is a part of all the three. Now you know > > where from the kheti-bari items came into the picture > > > > Now let us get back to the upaya once again. > > > > When kheti-bari ka saman [ venus ] is placed in the > > andheri kothari [ Saturn ] of the makan [ Saturn ] > > then the equation becomes : > > > > Saturn + Venus = Ketu > > > > This makan is jaddi or belonging to fore fathers [ Jupiter ] > > > > Hence the final equation becomes : > > > > Jupiter + Ketu > > > > As we all know that the Jupiter + ketu combination > > is auspicious and beneficial. The upaya finally converts > > the three planets into effective form of Jupiter + ketu > > > > It is for this reason the book suggests the upaya > > quoted above. > > > > Regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " gill_hs2005 " > <gill_hs2005@> wrote: > > > > Dear Varun ji, > > > > Lal Kitab advises that a person with the combination of Sun + Jupiter > + > > Saturn should keep in his jaddi house agricultural things on > parchhatti > > for good results. Jaddi house is understandable because of the Jupiter > > in the combination, but where did the agriculture things come from ? > > Could you please throw some light on that ? > > > > Sincerely, > > > > H S Gill > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2008 Report Share Posted November 6, 2008 Dear Varun ji, Many thanks for explaining the logic of upaya suggested for this combination. I must say the Masnuyee concept helps a lot in understanding the upaya better. Sincerely, H S Gill , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > Respected Gill sahib, > > Dear me, you've raised yet another important query. > > Weapons are made of iron but they are not a karak object of Saturn, > instead they are a karak object of Mars. Here the karkatwa is decided > not on the basis of what a weapon is made of but on the basis of what > it is used for. > > Similarly the tools used in kheti-bari, irrespective of what they are > made of, would be a karak object of Venus. Therefore khurpee or hasiya > if used in kheti-bari it will be a karak object of Venus. But the > same hasiya if used for murder will be taken as a karak of Mars. In > the villages a hasiya is very often used as a weapon for striking at > the neck of the enemy. > > Those who consider the kheti-bari ke tools as a karak of Saturn, it > is their choice. We have no arguments with them. > > Regards, > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > , " varun_trvd " > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Gill Saheb, > > > > > > > > A very interesting query, and an even more interesting > > > > logic behind the upaya suggested by the book. > > > > > > > > Before I come to explain as to how the agricultural > > > > items came into the scene let me quote what the book > > > > says : > > > > > > > > Jab teve wale ke rihayshi makan [ jaddi ya bujurgana, > > > > pita dada ka ] mein dakhil hote huye danye hath ki > > > > deewar ke khatme par andheri kothari ho aur us mein > > > > shelf [ tarchhati] jis par samaan jamaa rakkha jata hai > > > > par kheti bari ke mutallka saz-o-saman maujood hon > > > > to teeno hi grahon ka koi bura asar na hoga > > > > [ 1952 urdu ed; page 913 ] > > > > > > > > Let us examine the upaya now : > > > > > > > > Jaddi ya bujurgana [ Jupiter ] makan [ Saturn ] > > > > andheri kothari [ Saturn ] kheti-bari ka saman [ venus ] > > > > > > > > Jupiter and the Saturn are explained above. Now > > > > where did the venus come from ? > > > > > > > > Jupiter = sun + venus > > > > Sun = mercury + venus > > > > Saturn = Jupiter + venus > > > > > > > > Venus is a common constituent of all the three planets > > > > involved, venus is a part of all the three. Now you know > > > > where from the kheti-bari items came into the picture > > > > > > > > Now let us get back to the upaya once again. > > > > > > > > When kheti-bari ka saman [ venus ] is placed in the > > > > andheri kothari [ Saturn ] of the makan [ Saturn ] > > > > then the equation becomes : > > > > > > > > Saturn + Venus = Ketu > > > > > > > > This makan is jaddi or belonging to fore fathers [ Jupiter ] > > > > > > > > Hence the final equation becomes : > > > > > > > > Jupiter + Ketu > > > > > > > > As we all know that the Jupiter + ketu combination > > > > is auspicious and beneficial. The upaya finally converts > > > > the three planets into effective form of Jupiter + ketu > > > > > > > > It is for this reason the book suggests the upaya > > > > quoted above. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " gill_hs2005 " > > <gill_hs2005@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Varun ji, > > > > > > Lal Kitab advises that a person with the combination of Sun + > Jupiter > > + > > > Saturn should keep in his jaddi house agricultural things on > > parchhatti > > > for good results. Jaddi house is understandable because of the > Jupiter > > > in the combination, but where did the agriculture things come > from ? > > > Could you please throw some light on that ? > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > H S Gill > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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