QUERRY = Sun+Merc+Venus

November 7, 2008

Resoected Lalkitabee ji,

Thank you for bringing this problem to the notice of the group. You

have made a significant statement that in this case the book has

ruled out the possibility of this combination resulting in a sun+sun

scenario.

You have further said : " Yah baat judaa hai ki yah Mangal nek hotey

huve bhi mangal bad hee ginaa jayegaa "

We would like to hear your views on how a benefic mars sun+mercury

would act as a malefic mars.

With respect and regards,

Varun Trivedi

, lalkitabee

<lalkitabee wrote:

>

> Res. Members

> While surfing in groups of lalkitab i saw a very interesting querry

by a reader. He was asking about the conjoined Sun, Merc & Venus.As

per querry- what shud be accepted according Masnuyee concept of

lalkitab - Sun+Merc = Mars Nek or Merc + Venus = Sun.

> Unfortunatly this question has been ignored in that group , even by

some learned members.So Im sharing information as per my knowledge.

> ï¿½ï¿½ ï¿½Lalkitab 1952 ed. page no. 923-- AB BUDH KA KHALI CHAKKAR

SOORAJ KI MADAD LEKAR SHUKKAR KO BARBAAD KAREGAA.

> ï¿½ï¿½ ï¿½Yah line apne aap main ek formula hai jiske mutabikï¿½ yahi Budh

jab sooraj ki madad par chalaa gayaa to Masnuyee sooraj (SHUKKAR+BUDH)

ke hone ki baat lalkitab khud hee khaariz kar deti hai. Ab aise main

Sooraj +Budh = Mangal Nek hee maanaa jayegaa. Yah baat judaa hai ki

yah Mangal nek hotey huve bhi mangal bad hee ginaa jayegaa aur yah

Mangal ab shukkar ko barbaad karey ya shukkar ke Rahu Ketu main se

kisi ek ko barbaad karey ,yah baat ba-maujoodgee khana no. ke asar ko

durusti se jaanchne ke baad jahir hoti hai.

> With Regards

> Pt.Lalkitabee

> V.Shukla

>

November 7, 2008

Respected Shukla Bhai,Congratulations on a very sound response to the query,Best Regards,Iqbal USA

Sent via Blackberry lalkitabee <lalkitabeeFri, 7 Nov 2008 09:41:39 -0800 (PST)CC: <jattinkapila; <varun_trvdLK discussion group QUERRY = Sun+Merc+Venus as Sun+Merc= Mars Good or Merc+Venus= Sun Res. MembersWhile surfing in groups of lalkitab i saw a very interesting querry by a reader. He was asking about the conjoined Sun, Merc & Venus.As per querry- what shud be accepted according Masnuyee concept of lalkitab - Sun+Merc = Mars Nek or Merc + Venus = Sun.Unfortunatly this question has been ignored in that group , even by some learned members.So Im sharing information as per my knowledge. Lalkitab 1952 ed. page no. 923-- AB BUDH KA KHALI CHAKKAR SOORAJ KI MADAD LEKAR SHUKKAR KO BARBAAD KAREGAA. Yah line apne aap main ek formula hai jiske mutabik yahi Budh jab sooraj ki madad par chalaa gayaa to Masnuyee sooraj (SHUKKAR+BUDH)ke hone ki baat lalkitab khud hee khaariz kar deti hai. Ab aise main Sooraj +Budh = Mangal Nek hee maanaa jayegaa. Yah baat judaa hai ki yah Mangal nek hotey huve bhi mangal bad hee ginaa jayegaa aur yah Mangal ab shukkar ko barbaad karey ya shukkar ke Rahu Ketu main se kisi ek ko barbaad karey ,yah baat ba-maujoodgee khana no. ke asar ko durusti se jaanchne ke baad jahir hoti hai.With RegardsPt.LalkitabeeV.Shukla

November 9, 2008

Respected Varun Ji

The initiating line of this chapter makes a mark as - Budh ka khali chakkar

Shukkar ko barbaad karega...... AGAR KETU NEECH MANDAA YA BARBAAD HO TO AVVAL

TO AULAD HOGI HEE NAHI HOGI BHI TO BUDHHAPE MAIN HOGI

There are some significant points to analyze Mangal Nek as mangal bad in this

scenerio of Sun+Merc+Venus. At one side Merc. is as a helping hand of Sun ,So

it cant be used to make any other masnuyee planet except Mars & other side

it is Spoiling Venus (Aurat).

Now we come to ur

querry- How it Mars good is acting as Mars Bad.

We have to go through with 1942 & 1952 editions.So im writting some

points:-

1.Shukkar ki barbaadi ke liye Mangal ko hee vazah mana jaataa hai isi karan

Manglik Yog ko shadi ke maamle main khaas tavazzo dee gaye hai.Yaani Mangal Bad

hee shukkar ko barbaad kartaa hai. Lalkitab says :- GO

SHUKKAR NE KISI KO NEECH NAHI KIYAA MAGAR MANGAL BAD NE STRI (Shukkar) KO BHI

NAHI CHHODAA....................ISKI MAUT TAK KA BHI ASAR DIYA

HAI. ( 1942 ed. Page no.290 under the

heading SHUKKAR AUR MANGAL BAD KA TAALLUQ)

Again in 1942 ed.at page no.169 Mangal

khana 10 lalkitab says:- LEKIN AGAR SHUKKAR YA KISI AUR GRAH KA SAATH HO JAYE YA SURAJ HEE KHANA NO. 6

MAIN HOVE TO AULAD KE LIYE LAMBI UMRA (45

saal) TAK TARASTAA RAHEY. Here shud be

noted that it is written in the chapter of "Mangal

nek" in khana 10

You can read like these predection about aurat & aulad in the chapter of

Sun+Merc+venus in Lalkitab 1952 ed. page no. 923.

2.Aurat ka apnaa bhai hee (khwah haqiqi.......

etc) jabardasti ya muhabbat ke dhoka ke fareb se aulad paida kar dega.Lalkitab

1952 ed. page no. 923 ( Here BHAI is the Karak of Mars)

3.Teeno khana no. 10 saali ka rishtaa apne hee

ghar (teve wale ke khaandaan) main ho jana gair mubarik. Lalkitab

1952 ed. page no. 923 . Here KHANDAAN = HAQIQI KHOON (Mangal).

Now see in (1942 ed. page no.169 Mangal khana 10)--- Valden bhi manind raja hon Bashartey ki mangal akelaa ho

aur khana no. 2 main stri grah na paida ho. (NA PAIDA HO ) varnaa dushman grahon ke saath aane ke vaqt se aur vaqt

tak sab kuchh ulat hove, khud nar aulad ke liye badi umra tak tarsey ya aulad

der baad ho

Here again shud be noted that

it is written in the chapter of "Mangal

nek" in khana 10

Saali ki apne khaandaan main

shadi hotey hee Suraj , Budh, Shukkar

khana 10 ka asar jag jayegaa aur vahaan

par bhi Masnuyee Mangal Nek baithaa hai vo bhi shukkar ke saath. Fir yah Mangal Nek to nahi rahaa. Agar ise sirf budh ka asar maanaa jaye to kis tarah ? BECOZ THERE R NO CHARACTRISTICS OF MALEFIC MERCURY EXPLAINED IN THE CHAPTER OF SUN+MERC+VENUS.If anybody has scholarly views as par lalkitab,plz explain. It will be as a previlage for meAt last I want to saythe very begining of lalkitab advised to read this book as a novel but nowhere advised to read & use it as a readyreckner.All of u know that each novel has to be clearly analyzed & assimilated in order to understand it properly.

With RegardsPt.LalkitabeeV.shukla

November 9, 2008

Respected Lalkitabee ji,

Thanks for such a brilliant and detailed exposition as to how Mars

can adversely affect Venus under certain circumstances. Your argument

stands to reason when you infer that a mars depressing a venus could

well be a malefic aspect of the Mars.

Sir, it is obvious that you have taken great pains in quoting from

the original Urdu editions of the Lal Kitab. And I thank you once

again for all the effort you had put into answering this query.

With respect and regards,

Varun Trivedi

, lalkitabee

<lalkitabee wrote:

>

> Respected Varun Ji

>

> The initiatial lines of this section makes a mark as - Budh ka

khali chakkar

> Shukkar ko barbaad karega...... AGAR KETU NEECH MANDAA YA BARBAAD

HO TO AVVAL

> TO AULAD HOGI HEE NAHI; HOGI BHI TO BUDHHAPE MAIN HOGI

>

> There are some significant points to analyze Mangal Nek as mangal

bad in this

> scenerio of Sun+Merc+Venus. At one side Merc. is a helping hand of

Sun ,So

> it cant be used to make any other masnuyee planet except Mars &

other side

> it is Spoiling Venus (Aurat).

>

> Now we come to your

> querry- How Mars nek is acting as Mars Bad.

>

> We have to go through 1942 & 1952 editions.So im writting some

> points:-

>

> 1.Shukkar ki barbaadi ke liye Mangal ko hee vazah mana jaataa hai

isi karan

> Manglik Yog ko shadi ke maamle main khaas tavazzo dee gaye

hai.Yaani Mangal Bad

> hee shukkar ko barbaad kartaa hai. Lalkitab says :- GO

> SHUKKAR NE KISI KO NEECH NAHI KIYAA MAGAR MANGAL BAD NE STRI

(Shukkar) KO BHI

> NAHI CHHODAA....................ISKI MAUT TAK KA BHI ASAR DIYA

> HAI. ( 1942 ed. Page no.290 under the

> heading SHUKKAR AUR MANGAL BAD KA TAALLUQ)

>

> Again in 1942 ed.at page no.169 Mangal

> khana 10 lalkitab says:- LEKIN AGAR SHUKKAR YA KISI AUR GRAH KA

SAATH HO JAYE YA SURAJ HEE KHANA NO. 6

> MAIN HOVE TO AULAD KE LIYE LAMBI UMRA (45

> saal) TAK TARASTAA RAHEY. Here shud be

> noted that it is written in the chapter of " Mangal

> nek " in khana 10

>

> You can read like these predection about aurat & aulad in the

chapter of

> Sun+Merc+venus in Lalkitab 1952 ed. page no. 923.

>

> 2.Aurat ka apnaa bhai hee (khwah haqiqi.......

> etc) jabardasti ya muhabbat ke dhoka ke fareb se aulad paida kar

dega.Lalkitab

> 1952 ed. page no. 923 ( Here BHAI is the Karak of Mars)

>

> 3.Teeno khana no. 10 saali ka rishtaa apne hee

> ghar (teve wale ke khaandaan) main ho jana gair mubarik.ï¿½ Lalkitab

> 1952 ed. page no. 923 .ï¿½ Here KHANDAAN = HAQIQI KHOON (Mangal).

>

> Now see in (1942 ed. page no.169 Mangal khana 10)--- Valden bhi

manind raja hon Bashartey ki mangal akelaa ho

> aur khana no. 2 main stri grah na paida ho.(NA PAIDA HO ) varnaa

dushman grahon ke saath aane ke vaqt se aur vaqt

> tak sab kuchh ulat hove, khud nar aulad ke liye badi umra tak

tarsey ya aulad

> der baad ho

>

> Here again shud be noted that

> it is written in the chapter of " Mangal

> nek " in khana 10

>

> Saali ki apne khaandaan main

> shadi hotey hee Suraj , Budh, Shukkar

> khana 10 ka asar jag jayegaa aur vahaan

> par bhi Masnuyee Mangal Nek baithaa hai vo bhi shukkar ke saath.

Fir yah Mangal Nek to nahi rahaa. Agar ise sirf budh ka asar maanaa

jaye to kis tarah ? BECOZ THERE R NO CHARACTRISTICS OF MALEFIC

MERCURY EXPLAINED IN THE CHAPTER OF SUN+MERC+VENUS.

>

> If anybody has other scholarly views as par lalkitab,plz explain.

It will be as a previlage for me At last I want to saythe very

begining of lalkitab it is advised to read this book as a novel but

nowhere is advised to read & use it as a readyreckner.All of u know

that each novel has to be clearly analyzed & assimilated in order to

understand it properly.

>

> With Regards

> Pt.Lalkitabee

> V.shukla

>

> ï¿½

>

November 10, 2008

Dear Iqbal ji,

Thanx for appriciation.Im sure u understood the point of view of

my mail

With best wishes

V.Shukla

, " Iqbal Singh "

<punjabilovebug wrote:

>

> Respected Shukla Bhai,

>

> Congratulations on a very sound response to the query,

>

> Best Regards,

> Iqbal USA

>

> Sent via Blackberry

>

> lalkitabee <lalkitabee

>

> Fri, 7 Nov 2008 09:41:39

>

> Cc: <jattinkapila; <varun_trvd

> LK discussion group QUERRY = Sun+Merc+Venus as Sun+Merc=

Mars Good or Merc+Venus= Sun

>

> Res. Members

> While surfing in groups of lalkitab i saw a very interesting querry

by a reader. He was asking about the conjoined Sun, Merc & Venus.As

per querry- what shud be accepted according Masnuyee concept of

lalkitab - Sun+Merc = Mars Nek or Merc + Venus = Sun.

> Unfortunatly this question has been ignored in that group , even by

some learned members.So Im sharing information as per my knowledge.

> ï¿½ï¿½ ï¿½Lalkitab 1952 ed. page no. 923-- AB BUDH KA KHALI CHAKKAR

SOORAJ KI MADAD LEKAR SHUKKAR KO BARBAAD KAREGAA.

> ï¿½ï¿½ ï¿½Yah line apne aap main ek formula hai jiske mutabikï¿½

yahi Budh jab sooraj ki madad par chalaa gayaa to Masnuyee sooraj

(SHUKKAR+BUDH)ke hone ki baat lalkitab khud hee khaariz kar deti hai.

Ab aise main Sooraj +Budh = Mangal Nek hee maanaa jayegaa. Yah baat

judaa hai ki yah Mangal nek hotey huve bhi mangal bad hee ginaa

jayegaa aur yah Mangal ab shukkar ko barbaad karey ya shukkar ke Rahu

Ketu main se kisi ek ko barbaad karey ,yah baat ba-maujoodgee khana

no. ke asar ko durusti se jaanchne ke baad jahir hoti hai.

> With Regards

> Pt.Lalkitabee

> V.Shukla

>

November 10, 2008

Respected varun Ji

In fact u had created this grand edifice, I added some bricks only. Ur this

group is a lighthouse for the generation of new era.I also thank all those

fellows also ,by whom today we got all preserved original editions.

Thnx

Pt.Lakitabee

V.Shukla

, " varun_trvd "

<varun_trvd wrote:

>

> Respected Lalkitabee ji,

>

> Thanks for such a brilliant and detailed exposition as to how Mars

> can adversely affect Venus under certain circumstances. Your argument

> stands to reason when you infer that a mars depressing a venus could

> well be a malefic aspect of the Mars.

>

> Sir, it is obvious that you have taken great pains in quoting from

> the original Urdu editions of the Lal Kitab. And I thank you once

> again for all the effort you had put into answering this query.

>

> With respect and regards,

>

> Varun Trivedi

>

, lalkitabee

> <lalkitabee@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Varun Ji

> >

> > The initiatial lines of this section makes a mark as - Budh ka

> khali chakkar

> > Shukkar ko barbaad karega...... AGAR KETU NEECH MANDAA YA BARBAAD

> HO TO AVVAL

> > TO AULAD HOGI HEE NAHI; HOGI BHI TO BUDHHAPE MAIN HOGI

> >

> > There are some significant points to analyze Mangal Nek as mangal

> bad in this

> > scenerio of Sun+Merc+Venus. At one side Merc. is a helping hand of

> Sun ,So

> > it cant be used to make any other masnuyee planet except Mars &

> other side

> > it is Spoiling Venus (Aurat).

> >

> > Now we come to your

> > querry- How Mars nek is acting as Mars Bad.

> >

> > We have to go through 1942 & 1952 editions.So im writting some

> > points:-

> >

> > 1.Shukkar ki barbaadi ke liye Mangal ko hee vazah mana jaataa hai

> isi karan

> > Manglik Yog ko shadi ke maamle main khaas tavazzo dee gaye

> hai.Yaani Mangal Bad

> > hee shukkar ko barbaad kartaa hai. Lalkitab says :- GO

> > SHUKKAR NE KISI KO NEECH NAHI KIYAA MAGAR MANGAL BAD NE STRI

> (Shukkar) KO BHI

> > NAHI CHHODAA....................ISKI MAUT TAK KA BHI ASAR DIYA

> > HAI. ( 1942 ed. Page no.290 under the

> > heading SHUKKAR AUR MANGAL BAD KA TAALLUQ)

> >

> > Again in 1942 ed.at page no.169 Mangal

> > khana 10 lalkitab says:- LEKIN AGAR SHUKKAR YA KISI AUR GRAH KA

> SAATH HO JAYE YA SURAJ HEE KHANA NO. 6

> > MAIN HOVE TO AULAD KE LIYE LAMBI UMRA (45

> > saal) TAK TARASTAA RAHEY. Here shud be

> > noted that it is written in the chapter of " Mangal

> > nek " in khana 10

> >

> > You can read like these predection about aurat & aulad in the

> chapter of

> > Sun+Merc+venus in Lalkitab 1952 ed. page no. 923.

> >

> > 2.Aurat ka apnaa bhai hee (khwah haqiqi.......

> > etc) jabardasti ya muhabbat ke dhoka ke fareb se aulad paida kar

> dega.Lalkitab

> > 1952 ed. page no. 923 ( Here BHAI is the Karak of Mars)

> >

> > 3.Teeno khana no. 10 saali ka rishtaa apne hee

> > ghar (teve wale ke khaandaan) main ho jana gair mubarik.ï¿½ Lalkitab

> > 1952 ed. page no. 923 .ï¿½ Here KHANDAAN = HAQIQI KHOON (Mangal).

> >

> > Now see in (1942 ed. page no.169 Mangal khana 10)--- Valden bhi

> manind raja hon Bashartey ki mangal akelaa ho

> > aur khana no. 2 main stri grah na paida ho.(NA PAIDA HO ) varnaa

> dushman grahon ke saath aane ke vaqt se aur vaqt

> > tak sab kuchh ulat hove, khud nar aulad ke liye badi umra tak

> tarsey ya aulad

> > der baad ho

> >

> > Here again shud be noted that

> > it is written in the chapter of " Mangal

> > nek " in khana 10

> >

> > Saali ki apne khaandaan main

> > shadi hotey hee Suraj , Budh, Shukkar

> > khana 10 ka asar jag jayegaa aur vahaan

> > par bhi Masnuyee Mangal Nek baithaa hai vo bhi shukkar ke saath.

> Fir yah Mangal Nek to nahi rahaa. Agar ise sirf budh ka asar maanaa

> jaye to kis tarah ? BECOZ THERE R NO CHARACTRISTICS OF MALEFIC

> MERCURY EXPLAINED IN THE CHAPTER OF SUN+MERC+VENUS.

> >

> > If anybody has other scholarly views as par lalkitab,plz explain.

> It will be as a previlage for me At last I want to saythe very

> begining of lalkitab it is advised to read this book as a novel but

> nowhere is advised to read & use it as a readyreckner.All of u know

> that each novel has to be clearly analyzed & assimilated in order to

> understand it properly.

> >

> > With Regards

> > Pt.Lalkitabee

> > V.shukla

> >

> > ï¿½

> >

>

November 10, 2008

Dear Lalkitabee ji and members,

The scaring results of Sun + Mercury +Venus combination

given in the Lal Kitab intrigued me too. In the traditional

vedic astrology this combination if under malefic affliction

can result in : dukhi, vachaal, bhramansheel, dweshi etc.

It does not predict the kind of results predicted in the Lal Kitab.

I did an impromptu frequency count of this combination.

I selected 600 horoscopes randomly, fifty horoscopes for

each month. I found that of these 600 horoscopes 94 of them

had this combination in one house or the other [ almost 16% ].

This would be the most frequent combination of three planets

to occur in any horoscope; and understandably so, because

these three planets move closely together and will invariably

end up being together in one house or the other.

Therefore one has to be very careful before pronouncing the

results for this combination because it is a combination of

very common occurrence.

The key to evaluate this combination is Mercury â€" ab budh

ka khali chakra surya ki madad lekar shukra ko barbad karega.

This is further explained by a statement that if the Mercury

gets a support from well placed Ketu then the combination

will not have adverse effects â€" agar ketu umda ho aur budh ko

madad deve to koi mandi halat na hogi. The more malicious

the mercury is the more adverse would be the results of this

combination, unless of course there are other redeeming

features in the horoscope. In my experience I have found

that other then the Ketu, the help of Saturn also has a

mitigating influence.

Mercury is most malicious in the 3rd, 8th, 9th or the 12th house

3,8,12,9 mein baitha kodhi thookta hota hai. Therefore the

possibility of mercury adversely affecting Venus could arise

in the above houses except when in the 12th house where the

venus is very strong and can withstand the onslaught of

mercury. No wonder the adverse results for this combination

are stated for the 3rd, 8th, and the 9th houses. For the 10th house

the results are stated with another condition where a saali

[ sister in law ] gets married to a brother thus bringing the

Mars and the Venus together.

Therefore if this combination of three planets occurs in the

3rd,8th,or the 9th house, the first thing one should look for

is the redeeming features in the horoscope. If the mercury

gets the help of either Ketu or Saturn [ my experience ] or

if the venus is strong either in terms of Rupabal or through

aspect, then this combination may not lead to the scary

predictions given in the Lal Kitab.

Now coming to the masnuyee resultant of this combination,

my approach is slightly different. I believe that longitudinal

proximity of the planets should be the main criterion of forming

a masnuyee resultant. Since the concept of masnuyee planets

is based on the analogy that two colors when mixed will

form a third new color, it sounds appropriate that the two

planets should be in proximity, in other words close

enough to get mixed.

If the mercury is closer to the sun as compared to the venus,

then it is the sun and the mercury which will form a resultant

masnuyee mars. In case the mercury and the venus are close

together and the sun is a distance apart then it will be the

venus and the mercury together which will form a masnuyee

sun. Similarly if the sun and the venus are close together and

the mercury is a distance apart then they will form a masnuyee

Jupiter. If all the three planets are either close together within

a few degrees of each other, or in the same degree within a

few minutes then the planet with less strength will tend to

merge with a planet of higher strength [as per index of

strength given in budh ka bhed]; a criteria which can be applied.

Summarizing, when the astrologer comes across this

combination, before announcing the results he should

look for all possible redeeming features in the horoscope

for this combination. The astrologer should be in no

hurry to announce the results.

God bless you,

Bhooshan Priya

, "lalkitabee" <lalkitabee wrote:>> Respected varun Ji> > In fact u had created this grand edifice, I added some bricks only. Ur this group is a lighthouse for the generation of new era.I also thank all those fellows also ,by whom today we got all preserved original editions.> > Thnx> > Pt.Lakitabee> > V.Shukla> > > > > > > > > > > , "varun_trvd"> varun_trvd@ wrote:> >> > Respected Lalkitabee ji,> >> > Thanks for such a brilliant and detailed exposition as to how Mars> > can adversely affect Venus under certain circumstances. Your argument> > stands to reason when you infer that a mars depressing a venus could> > well be a malefic aspect of the Mars.> >> > Sir, it is obvious that you have taken great pains in quoting from> > the original Urdu editions of the Lal Kitab. And I thank you once> > again for all the effort you had put into answering this query.> >> > With respect and regards,> >> > Varun Trivedi> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > , lalkitabee> > <lalkitabee@> wrote:> > >> > >> > > Respected Varun Ji> > >> > > The initiatial lines of this section makes a mark as - Budh ka> > khali chakkar> > > Shukkar ko barbaad karega...... AGAR KETU NEECH MANDAA YA BARBAAD> > HO TO AVVAL> > > TO AULAD HOGI HEE NAHI; HOGI BHI TO BUDHHAPE MAIN HOGI> > >> > > There are some significant points to analyze Mangal Nek as mangal> > bad in this> > > scenerio of Sun+Merc+Venus. At one side Merc. is a helping hand of> > Sun ,So> > > it cant be used to make any other masnuyee planet except Mars & > > other side> > > it is Spoiling Venus (Aurat).> > >> > > Now we come to your> > > querry- How Mars nek is acting as Mars Bad.> > >> > > We have to go through 1942 & 1952 editions.So im writting some> > > points:-> > >> > > 1.Shukkar ki barbaadi ke liye Mangal ko hee vazah mana jaataa hai> > isi karan> > > Manglik Yog ko shadi ke maamle main khaas tavazzo dee gaye> > hai.Yaani Mangal Bad> > > hee shukkar ko barbaad kartaa hai. Lalkitab says :- GO> > > SHUKKAR NE KISI KO NEECH NAHI KIYAA MAGAR MANGAL BAD NE STRI> > (Shukkar) KO BHI> > > NAHI CHHODAA....................ISKI MAUT TAK KA BHI ASAR DIYA> > > HAI. ( 1942 ed. Page no.290 under the> > > heading SHUKKAR AUR MANGAL BAD KA TAALLUQ)> > >> > >> > >> > > Again in 1942 ed.at page no.169 Mangal> > > khana 10 lalkitab says:- LEKIN AGAR SHUKKAR YA KISI AUR GRAH KA> > SAATH HO JAYE YA SURAJ HEE KHANA NO. 6> > > MAIN HOVE TO AULAD KE LIYE LAMBI UMRA (45> > > saal) TAK TARASTAA RAHEY. Here shud be> > > noted that it is written in the chapter of "Mangal> > > nek" in khana 10> > >> > >> > >> > > You can read like these predection about aurat & aulad in the> > chapter of> > > Sun+Merc+venus in Lalkitab 1952 ed. page no. 923.> > >> > >> > >> > > 2.Aurat ka apnaa bhai hee (khwah haqiqi.......> > > etc) jabardasti ya muhabbat ke dhoka ke fareb se aulad paida kar> > dega.Lalkitab> > > 1952 ed. page no. 923 ( Here BHAI is the Karak of Mars)> > >> > > 3.Teeno khana no. 10 saali ka rishtaa apne hee> > > ghar (teve wale ke khaandaan) main ho jana gair mubarik.ï¿½ Lalkitab> > > 1952 ed. page no. 923 .ï¿½ Here KHANDAAN = HAQIQI KHOON (Mangal).> > >> > > Now see in (1942 ed. page no.169 Mangal khana 10)--- Valden bhi> > manind raja hon Bashartey ki mangal akelaa ho> > > aur khana no. 2 main stri grah na paida ho.(NA PAIDA HO ) varnaa> > dushman grahon ke saath aane ke vaqt se aur vaqt> > > tak sab kuchh ulat hove, khud nar aulad ke liye badi umra tak> > tarsey ya aulad> > > der baad ho> > >> > > Here again shud be noted that> > > it is written in the chapter of "Mangal> > > nek" in khana 10> > >> > >> > >> > > Saali ki apne khaandaan main> > > shadi hotey hee Suraj , Budh, Shukkar> > > khana 10 ka asar jag jayegaa aur vahaan> > > par bhi Masnuyee Mangal Nek baithaa hai vo bhi shukkar ke saath.> > Fir yah Mangal Nek to nahi rahaa. Agar ise sirf budh ka asar maanaa> > jaye to kis tarah ? BECOZ THERE R NO CHARACTRISTICS OF MALEFIC> > MERCURY EXPLAINED IN THE CHAPTER OF SUN+MERC+VENUS.> > >> > > If anybody has other scholarly views as par lalkitab,plz explain.> > It will be as a previlage for me At last I want to saythe very> > begining of lalkitab it is advised to read this book as a novel but> > nowhere is advised to read & use it as a readyreckner.All of u know> > that each novel has to be clearly analyzed & assimilated in order to> > understand it properly.> > >> > >> > > With Regards> > > Pt.Lalkitabee> > > V.shukla> > >> > >> > > ï¿½> > >> >>

November 11, 2008

Dear Mr. Bhooshan Priya,As an honest seeker of knowledge about the great Lal Kitab, I have a few questions regarding your learned opinion about the combination of Sun-Mercury-Venus, the way you have you have described it in these lines, so kindly patience with me... >>If the mercury is closer to the sun as compared to the venus, then it is the sun and the mercury which will form a resultant masnuyee mars. In case the mercury and the venus are close together and the sun is a distance apart then it will be the venus and the mercury together which will form a masnuyee sun.Similarly if the sun and the venus are close together and the mercuryis a distance apart then they will form a masnuyee Jupiter. If all the three planets are either close together within a few degrees of eachother, or in the same degree within a few minutes then the planet withless strength will tend to merge with a planet of higher strength [asper index of strength given in budh ka bhed]; a criteria which can be applied.<<Where does these rules come come from? I have never seen anything even remotely like this in the great Lal Kitab itself. What or rather who is the originator of these rules? Please elaborate on this, so that I may get a fair chance to understand what this is actually all about!Best regards, Finn Wandahl , "" < wrote:>> > Dear Lalkitabee ji and members,> > > > The scaring results of Sun + Mercury +Venus combination> > given in the Lal Kitab intrigued me too. In the traditional> > vedic astrology this combination if under malefic affliction> > can result in : dukhi, vachaal, bhramansheel, dweshi etc.> > It does not predict the kind of results predicted in the Lal Kitab.> > > > I did an impromptu frequency count of this combination.> > I selected 600 horoscopes randomly, fifty horoscopes for> > each month. I found that of these 600 horoscopes 94 of them> > had this combination in one house or the other [ almost 16% ].> > This would be the most frequent combination of three planets> > to occur in any horoscope; and understandably so, because> > these three planets move closely together and will invariably> > end up being together in one house or the other.> > > > Therefore one has to be very careful before pronouncing the> > results for this combination because it is a combination of> > very common occurrence.> > > > The key to evaluate this combination is Mercury â€" ab budh> > ka khali chakra surya ki madad lekar shukra ko barbad karega.> > This is further explained by a statement that if the Mercury> > gets a support from well placed Ketu then the combination> > will not have adverse effects â€" agar ketu umda ho aur budh ko> > madad deve to koi mandi halat na hogi. The more malicious> > the mercury is the more adverse would be the results of this> > combination, unless of course there are other redeeming> > features in the horoscope. In my experience I have found> > that other then the Ketu, the help of Saturn also has a> > mitigating influence.> > > > Mercury is most malicious in the 3rd, 8th, 9th or the 12th house> > 3,8,12,9 mein baitha kodhi thookta hota hai. Therefore the> > possibility of mercury adversely affecting Venus could arise> > in the above houses except when in the 12th house where the> > venus is very strong and can withstand the onslaught of> > mercury. No wonder the adverse results for this combination> > are stated for the 3rd, 8th, and the 9th houses. For the 10th house> > the results are stated with another condition where a saali> > [ sister in law ] gets married to a brother thus bringing the> > Mars and the Venus together.> > > > Therefore if this combination of three planets occurs in the> > 3rd,8th,or the 9th house, the first thing one should look for> > is the redeeming features in the horoscope. If the mercury> > gets the help of either Ketu or Saturn [ my experience ] or> > if the venus is strong either in terms of Rupabal or through> > aspect, then this combination may not lead to the scary> > predictions given in the Lal Kitab.> > > > Now coming to the masnuyee resultant of this combination,> > my approach is slightly different. I believe that longitudinal> > proximity of the planets should be the main criterion of forming> > a masnuyee resultant. Since the concept of masnuyee planets> > is based on the analogy that two colors when mixed will> > form a third new color, it sounds appropriate that the two> > planets should be in proximity, in other words close> > enough to get mixed.> > > > If the mercury is closer to the sun as compared to the venus,> > then it is the sun and the mercury which will form a resultant> > masnuyee mars. In case the mercury and the venus are close> > together and the sun is a distance apart then it will be the> > venus and the mercury together which will form a masnuyee> > sun. Similarly if the sun and the venus are close together and> > the mercury is a distance apart then they will form a masnuyee> > Jupiter. If all the three planets are either close together within> > a few degrees of each other, or in the same degree within a> > few minutes then the planet with less strength will tend to> > merge with a planet of higher strength [as per index of> > strength given in budh ka bhed]; a criteria which can be applied.> > > > Summarizing, when the astrologer comes across this> > combination, before announcing the results he should> > look for all possible redeeming features in the horoscope> > for this combination. The astrologer should be in no> > hurry to announce the results.> > > > God bless you,> > > > Bhooshan Priya> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "lalkitabee"> lalkitabee@ wrote:> >> > Respected varun Ji> >> > In fact u had created this grand edifice, I added some bricks only. Ur> this group is a lighthouse for the generation of new era.I also thank> all those fellows also ,by whom today we got all preserved original> editions.> >> > Thnx> >> > Pt.Lakitabee> >> > V.Shukla> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > , "varun_trvd"> > varun_trvd@ wrote:> > >> > > Respected Lalkitabee ji,> > >> > > Thanks for such a brilliant and detailed exposition as to how Mars> > > can adversely affect Venus under certain circumstances. Your> argument> > > stands to reason when you infer that a mars depressing a venus could> > > well be a malefic aspect of the Mars.> > >> > > Sir, it is obvious that you have taken great pains in quoting from> > > the original Urdu editions of the Lal Kitab. And I thank you once> > > again for all the effort you had put into answering this query.> > >> > > With respect and regards,> > >> > > Varun Trivedi> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , lalkitabee> > > <lalkitabee@> wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Respected Varun Ji> > > >> > > > The initiatial lines of this section makes a mark as - Budh ka> > > khali chakkar> > > > Shukkar ko barbaad karega...... AGAR KETU NEECH MANDAA YA BARBAAD> > > HO TO AVVAL> > > > TO AULAD HOGI HEE NAHI; HOGI BHI TO BUDHHAPE MAIN HOGI> > > >> > > > There are some significant points to analyze Mangal Nek as mangal> > > bad in this> > > > scenerio of Sun+Merc+Venus. At one side Merc. is a helping hand of> > > Sun ,So> > > > it cant be used to make any other masnuyee planet except Mars & > > > other side> > > > it is Spoiling Venus (Aurat).> > > >> > > > Now we come to your> > > > querry- How Mars nek is acting as Mars Bad.> > > >> > > > We have to go through 1942 & 1952 editions.So im writting some> > > > points:-> > > >> > > > 1.Shukkar ki barbaadi ke liye Mangal ko hee vazah mana jaataa hai> > > isi karan> > > > Manglik Yog ko shadi ke maamle main khaas tavazzo dee gaye> > > hai.Yaani Mangal Bad> > > > hee shukkar ko barbaad kartaa hai. Lalkitab says :- GO> > > > SHUKKAR NE KISI KO NEECH NAHI KIYAA MAGAR MANGAL BAD NE STRI> > > (Shukkar) KO BHI> > > > NAHI CHHODAA....................ISKI MAUT TAK KA BHI ASAR DIYA> > > > HAI. ( 1942 ed. Page no.290 under the> > > > heading SHUKKAR AUR MANGAL BAD KA TAALLUQ)> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Again in 1942 ed.at page no.169 Mangal> > > > khana 10 lalkitab says:- LEKIN AGAR SHUKKAR YA KISI AUR GRAH KA> > > SAATH HO JAYE YA SURAJ HEE KHANA NO. 6> > > > MAIN HOVE TO AULAD KE LIYE LAMBI UMRA (45> > > > saal) TAK TARASTAA RAHEY. Here shud be> > > > noted that it is written in the chapter of "Mangal> > > > nek" in khana 10> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > You can read like these predection about aurat & aulad in the> > > chapter of> > > > Sun+Merc+venus in Lalkitab 1952 ed. page no. 923.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > 2.Aurat ka apnaa bhai hee (khwah haqiqi.......> > > > etc) jabardasti ya muhabbat ke dhoka ke fareb se aulad paida kar> > > dega.Lalkitab> > > > 1952 ed. page no. 923 ( Here BHAI is the Karak of Mars)> > > >> > > > 3.Teeno khana no. 10 saali ka rishtaa apne hee> > > > ghar (teve wale ke khaandaan) main ho jana gair mubarik.ï¿½> Lalkitab> > > > 1952 ed. page no. 923 .ï¿½ Here KHANDAAN = HAQIQI KHOON> (Mangal).> > > >> > > > Now see in (1942 ed. page no.169 Mangal khana 10)--- Valden bhi> > > manind raja hon Bashartey ki mangal akelaa ho> > > > aur khana no. 2 main stri grah na paida ho.(NA PAIDA HO ) varnaa> > > dushman grahon ke saath aane ke vaqt se aur vaqt> > > > tak sab kuchh ulat hove, khud nar aulad ke liye badi umra tak> > > tarsey ya aulad> > > > der baad ho> > > >> > > > Here again shud be noted that> > > > it is written in the chapter of "Mangal> > > > nek" in khana 10> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Saali ki apne khaandaan main> > > > shadi hotey hee Suraj , Budh, Shukkar> > > > khana 10 ka asar jag jayegaa aur vahaan> > > > par bhi Masnuyee Mangal Nek baithaa hai vo bhi shukkar ke saath.> > > Fir yah Mangal Nek to nahi rahaa. Agar ise sirf budh ka asar maanaa> > > jaye to kis tarah ? BECOZ THERE R NO CHARACTRISTICS OF MALEFIC> > > MERCURY EXPLAINED IN THE CHAPTER OF SUN+MERC+VENUS.> > > >> > > > If anybody has other scholarly views as par lalkitab,plz explain.> > > It will be as a previlage for me At last I want to saythe> very> > > begining of lalkitab it is advised to read this book as a novel but> > > nowhere is advised to read & use it as a readyreckner.All of u know> > > that each novel has to be clearly analyzed & assimilated in order to> > > understand it properly.> > > >> > > >> > > > With Regards> > > > Pt.Lalkitabee> > > > V.shukla> > > >> > > >> > > > ï¿½> > > >> > >> >>

November 12, 2008

Dear Mr. Finn,

The concept and the mechanism of masnuyee

planets are derived from the following

statement of the Lal Kitab:

sooraj ka lamp jag raha hai, iska rang

gandami hai, is ke sath hi agar brahaspati ka

lamp jag pade jiska rang jard hai to dono lamps

ki roshni jo rang degi vahi rang zindgi mein in

grahon ke asar ka hoga. Yani zard rang kachche

peele ki bajay roshni ab pakke peele rang ki hogi.

Isi tarah se hi sab grahon ke lamps ke rangon ka

apas mein ikatthe ya jude-jude chamakne par hoga

In the above statement the book talks about two

lamps and their beams of different colours merging

to form a new beam of a different colour, and

thus the two lamps will shine independently and

also both together.

But when there are three planets together, then

how should we go about this whole process. The

answer is simple. Of the three lamps, the beams

of the two close to each other will merge. In case

all the three lamps are placed closely together then

the beam of the stronger lamp will prevail and the

beam of the weaker one will get merged into that

of the stronger one.

I hope now you understand what I have said earlier.

God bless you,

Bhooshan Priya

, "Finn Wandahl" <finn.wandahl wrote:>> Dear Mr. Bhooshan Priya,> > As an honest seeker of knowledge about the great Lal Kitab, I have a few> questions regarding your learned opinion about the combination of> Sun-Mercury-Venus, the way you have you have described it in these> lines, so kindly patience with me...> > >>If the mercury is closer to the sun as compared to the venus, then it> is the sun and the mercury which will form a resultant masnuyee mars. In> case the mercury and the venus are close together and the sun is a> distance apart then it will be the venus and the mercury together which> will form a masnuyee sun.> > Similarly if the sun and the venus are close together and the mercuryis> a distance apart then they will form a masnuyee Jupiter. If all the> three planets are either close together within a few degrees of> eachother, or in the same degree within a few minutes then the planet> withless strength will tend to merge with a planet of higher strength> [asper index of strength given in budh ka bhed]; a criteria which can be> applied.<<> > Where does these rules come come from? I have never seen anything even> remotely like this in the great Lal Kitab itself. What or rather who is> the originator of these rules? Please elaborate on this, so that I may> get a fair chance to understand what this is actually all about!> > Best regards,> Finn Wandahl> > > , ""> @ wrote:> >> >> > Dear Lalkitabee ji and members,> >> >> >> > The scaring results of Sun + Mercury +Venus combination> >> > given in the Lal Kitab intrigued me too. In the traditional> >> > vedic astrology this combination if under malefic affliction> >> > can result in : dukhi, vachaal, bhramansheel, dweshi etc.> >> > It does not predict the kind of results predicted in the Lal Kitab.> >> >> >> > I did an impromptu frequency count of this combination.> >> > I selected 600 horoscopes randomly, fifty horoscopes for> >> > each month. I found that of these 600 horoscopes 94 of them> >> > had this combination in one house or the other [ almost 16% ].> >> > This would be the most frequent combination of three planets> >> > to occur in any horoscope; and understandably so, because> >> > these three planets move closely together and will invariably> >> > end up being together in one house or the other.> >> >> >> > Therefore one has to be very careful before pronouncing the> >> > results for this combination because it is a combination of> >> > very common occurrence.> >> >> >> > The key to evaluate this combination is Mercury ï¿½ï¿½" ab budh> >> > ka khali chakra surya ki madad lekar shukra ko barbad karega.> >> > This is further explained by a statement that if the Mercury> >> > gets a support from well placed Ketu then the combination> >> > will not have adverse effects ï¿½ï¿½" agar ketu umda ho aur budh ko> >> > madad deve to koi mandi halat na hogi. The more malicious> >> > the mercury is the more adverse would be the results of this> >> > combination, unless of course there are other redeeming> >> > features in the horoscope. In my experience I have found> >> > that other then the Ketu, the help of Saturn also has a> >> > mitigating influence.> >> >> >> > Mercury is most malicious in the 3rd, 8th, 9th or the 12th house> >> > 3,8,12,9 mein baitha kodhi thookta hota hai. Therefore the> >> > possibility of mercury adversely affecting Venus could arise> >> > in the above houses except when in the 12th house where the> >> > venus is very strong and can withstand the onslaught of> >> > mercury. No wonder the adverse results for this combination> >> > are stated for the 3rd, 8th, and the 9th houses. For the 10th house> >> > the results are stated with another condition where a saali> >> > [ sister in law ] gets married to a brother thus bringing the> >> > Mars and the Venus together.> >> >> >> > Therefore if this combination of three planets occurs in the> >> > 3rd,8th,or the 9th house, the first thing one should look for> >> > is the redeeming features in the horoscope. If the mercury> >> > gets the help of either Ketu or Saturn [ my experience ] or> >> > if the venus is strong either in terms of Rupabal or through> >> > aspect, then this combination may not lead to the scary> >> > predictions given in the Lal Kitab.> >> >> >> > Now coming to the masnuyee resultant of this combination,> >> > my approach is slightly different. I believe that longitudinal> >> > proximity of the planets should be the main criterion of forming> >> > a masnuyee resultant. Since the concept of masnuyee planets> >> > is based on the analogy that two colors when mixed will> >> > form a third new color, it sounds appropriate that the two> >> > planets should be in proximity, in other words close> >> > enough to get mixed.> >> >> >> > If the mercury is closer to the sun as compared to the venus,> >> > then it is the sun and the mercury which will form a resultant> >> > masnuyee mars. In case the mercury and the venus are close> >> > together and the sun is a distance apart then it will be the> >> > venus and the mercury together which will form a masnuyee> >> > sun. Similarly if the sun and the venus are close together and> >> > the mercury is a distance apart then they will form a masnuyee> >> > Jupiter. If all the three planets are either close together within> >> > a few degrees of each other, or in the same degree within a> >> > few minutes then the planet with less strength will tend to> >> > merge with a planet of higher strength [as per index of> >> > strength given in budh ka bhed]; a criteria which can be applied.> >> >> >> > Summarizing, when the astrologer comes across this> >> > combination, before announcing the results he should> >> > look for all possible redeeming features in the horoscope> >> > for this combination. The astrologer should be in no> >> > hurry to announce the results.> >> >> >> > God bless you,> >> >> >> > Bhooshan Priya> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > , "lalkitabee"> > lalkitabee@ wrote:> > >> > > Respected varun Ji> > >> > > In fact u had created this grand edifice, I added some bricks only.> Ur> > this group is a lighthouse for the generation of new era.I also thank> > all those fellows also ,by whom today we got all preserved original> > editions.> > >> > > Thnx> > >> > > Pt.Lakitabee> > >> > > V.Shukla> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , "varun_trvd"> > > varun_trvd@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Respected Lalkitabee ji,> > > >> > > > Thanks for such a brilliant and detailed exposition as to how Mars> > > > can adversely affect Venus under certain circumstances. Your> > argument> > > > stands to reason when you infer that a mars depressing a venus> could> > > > well be a malefic aspect of the Mars.> > > >> > > > Sir, it is obvious that you have taken great pains in quoting from> > > > the original Urdu editions of the Lal Kitab. And I thank you once> > > > again for all the effort you had put into answering this query.> > > >> > > > With respect and regards,> > > >> > > > Varun Trivedi> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , lalkitabee> > > > <lalkitabee@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Respected Varun Ji> > > > >> > > > > The initiatial lines of this section makes a mark as - Budh ka> > > > khali chakkar> > > > > Shukkar ko barbaad karega...... AGAR KETU NEECH MANDAA YA> BARBAAD> > > > HO TO AVVAL> > > > > TO AULAD HOGI HEE NAHI; HOGI BHI TO BUDHHAPE MAIN HOGI> > > > >> > > > > There are some significant points to analyze Mangal Nek as> mangal> > > > bad in this> > > > > scenerio of Sun+Merc+Venus. At one side Merc. is a helping hand> of> > > > Sun ,So> > > > > it cant be used to make any other masnuyee planet except Mars & > > > > other side> > > > > it is Spoiling Venus (Aurat).> > > > >> > > > > Now we come to your> > > > > querry- How Mars nek is acting as Mars Bad.> > > > >> > > > > We have to go through 1942 & 1952 editions.So im writting some> > > > > points:-> > > > >> > > > > 1.Shukkar ki barbaadi ke liye Mangal ko hee vazah mana jaataa> hai> > > > isi karan> > > > > Manglik Yog ko shadi ke maamle main khaas tavazzo dee gaye> > > > hai.Yaani Mangal Bad> > > > > hee shukkar ko barbaad kartaa hai. Lalkitab says :- GO> > > > > SHUKKAR NE KISI KO NEECH NAHI KIYAA MAGAR MANGAL BAD NE STRI> > > > (Shukkar) KO BHI> > > > > NAHI CHHODAA....................ISKI MAUT TAK KA BHI ASAR DIYA> > > > > HAI. ( 1942 ed. Page no.290 under the> > > > > heading SHUKKAR AUR MANGAL BAD KA TAALLUQ)> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Again in 1942 ed.at page no.169 Mangal> > > > > khana 10 lalkitab says:- LEKIN AGAR SHUKKAR YA KISI AUR GRAH KA> > > > SAATH HO JAYE YA SURAJ HEE KHANA NO. 6> > > > > MAIN HOVE TO AULAD KE LIYE LAMBI UMRA (45> > > > > saal) TAK TARASTAA RAHEY. Here shud be> > > > > noted that it is written in the chapter of "Mangal> > > > > nek" in khana 10> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > You can read like these predection about aurat & aulad in the> > > > chapter of> > > > > Sun+Merc+venus in Lalkitab 1952 ed. page no. 923.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > 2.Aurat ka apnaa bhai hee (khwah haqiqi.......> > > > > etc) jabardasti ya muhabbat ke dhoka ke fareb se aulad paida kar> > > > dega.Lalkitab> > > > > 1952 ed. page no. 923 ( Here BHAI is the Karak of Mars)> > > > >> > > > > 3.Teeno khana no. 10 saali ka rishtaa apne hee> > > > > ghar (teve wale ke khaandaan) main ho jana gair mubarik.ï¿½> > Lalkitab> > > > > 1952 ed. page no. 923 .ï¿½ Here KHANDAAN = HAQIQI KHOON> > (Mangal).> > > > >> > > > > Now see in (1942 ed. page no.169 Mangal khana 10)--- Valden bhi> > > > manind raja hon Bashartey ki mangal akelaa ho> > > > > aur khana no. 2 main stri grah na paida ho.(NA PAIDA HO ) varnaa> > > > dushman grahon ke saath aane ke vaqt se aur vaqt> > > > > tak sab kuchh ulat hove, khud nar aulad ke liye badi umra tak> > > > tarsey ya aulad> > > > > der baad ho> > > > >> > > > > Here again shud be noted that> > > > > it is written in the chapter of "Mangal> > > > > nek" in khana 10> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Saali ki apne khaandaan main> > > > > shadi hotey hee Suraj , Budh, Shukkar> > > > > khana 10 ka asar jag jayegaa aur vahaan> > > > > par bhi Masnuyee Mangal Nek baithaa hai vo bhi shukkar ke saath.> > > > Fir yah Mangal Nek to nahi rahaa. Agar ise sirf budh ka asar> maanaa> > > > jaye to kis tarah ? BECOZ THERE R NO CHARACTRISTICS OF MALEFIC> > > > MERCURY EXPLAINED IN THE CHAPTER OF SUN+MERC+VENUS.> > > > >> > > > > If anybody has other scholarly views as par lalkitab,plz> explain.> > > > It will be as a previlage for me At last I want to saythe> > very> > > > begining of lalkitab it is advised to read this book as a novel> but> > > > nowhere is advised to read & use it as a readyreckner.All of u> know> > > > that each novel has to be clearly analyzed & assimilated in order> to> > > > understand it properly.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > With Regards> > > > > Pt.Lalkitabee> > > > > V.shukla> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ï¿½> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

November 12, 2008

Dear Mr. Bhooshan Priya,

Sure, what Pt. Roop Chand Joshi said about the two lamps can be

understood related to the effects of the two planets forming the

artificial planet (masnuyi-concept), but I don't think it has anything

to do with the distance in longitude between the two planets involved.

Actually the concept of considering difference in longitude between

two planet seems alien to Lal Kitab, since it is not being addressed

anywhere in Lal Kitab itself, and nothing seems to indicate that Pt.

Roop Chand Joshi or those who met him in person, ever used this

method. In other word, they would consider two planets to be in

conjunction if the occupy the same house, no matter if there were 1

degree or 29 degrees between them, and also no matter if a third

planet should be located between from.

As a matter of fact the concept of considering the distance of

longitude between two planets in conjunction, in the way you have

suggested it, is very rarely seen in Hindu astrology. It can however

be found in Tajik-school, where the Tajik-yogas are delineated this

way. Actually the Tajik-yogas are almost completely analogous to the

traditional Western method of using orbit, moity, applications and

separations to the planetary conjunctions and aspects. But then again,

Tajik-school and traditional Western astrology has very little in

common with Lal Kitab, and it can hardly be relevant to introduce

concepts from these schools into Lal Kitab.

Best regards,

Finn Wandahl

, " "

< wrote:

>

> Dear Mr. Finn,

>

> The concept and the mechanism of masnuyee

>

> planets are derived from the following

>

> statement of the Lal Kitab:

>

> sooraj ka lamp jag raha hai, iska rang

>

> gandami hai, is ke sath hi agar brahaspati ka

>

> lamp jag pade jiska rang jard hai to dono lamps

>

> ki roshni jo rang degi vahi rang zindgi mein in

>

> grahon ke asar ka hoga. Yani zard rang kachche

>

> peele ki bajay roshni ab pakke peele rang ki hogi.

>

> Isi tarah se hi sab grahon ke lamps ke rangon ka

>

> apas mein ikatthe ya jude-jude chamakne par hoga

>

> In the above statement the book talks about two

>

> lamps and their beams of different colours merging

>

> to form a new beam of a different colour, and

>

> thus the two lamps will shine independently and

>

> also both together.

>

> But when there are three planets together, then

>

> how should we go about this whole process. The

>

> answer is simple. Of the three lamps, the beams

>

> of the two close to each other will merge. In case

>

> all the three lamps are placed closely together then

>

> the beam of the stronger lamp will prevail and the

>

> beam of the weaker one will get merged into that

>

> of the stronger one.

>

> I hope now you understand what I have said earlier.

>

> God bless you,

>

> Bhooshan Priya

>

, " Finn Wandahl "

> <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mr. Bhooshan Priya,

> >

> > As an honest seeker of knowledge about the great Lal Kitab, I have a

> few

> > questions regarding your learned opinion about the combination of

> > Sun-Mercury-Venus, the way you have you have described it in these

> > lines, so kindly patience with me...

> >

> > >>If the mercury is closer to the sun as compared to the venus, then

> it

> > is the sun and the mercury which will form a resultant masnuyee mars.

> In

> > case the mercury and the venus are close together and the sun is a

> > distance apart then it will be the venus and the mercury together

> which

> > will form a masnuyee sun.

> >

> > Similarly if the sun and the venus are close together and the

> mercuryis

> > a distance apart then they will form a masnuyee Jupiter. If all the

> > three planets are either close together within a few degrees of

> > eachother, or in the same degree within a few minutes then the planet

> > withless strength will tend to merge with a planet of higher strength

> > [asper index of strength given in budh ka bhed]; a criteria which can

> be

> > applied.<<

> >

> > Where does these rules come come from? I have never seen anything even

> > remotely like this in the great Lal Kitab itself. What or rather who

> is

> > the originator of these rules? Please elaborate on this, so that I may

> > get a fair chance to understand what this is actually all about!

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Finn Wandahl

> >

> > , " "

> > @ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lalkitabee ji and members,

> > >

> > > The scaring results of Sun + Mercury +Venus combination

> > >

> > > given in the Lal Kitab intrigued me too. In the traditional

> > >

> > > vedic astrology this combination if under malefic affliction

> > >

> > > can result in : dukhi, vachaal, bhramansheel, dweshi etc.

> > >

> > > It does not predict the kind of results predicted in the Lal Kitab.

> > >

> > > I did an impromptu frequency count of this combination.

> > >

> > > I selected 600 horoscopes randomly, fifty horoscopes for

> > >

> > > each month. I found that of these 600 horoscopes 94 of them

> > >

> > > had this combination in one house or the other [ almost 16% ].

> > >

> > > This would be the most frequent combination of three planets

> > >

> > > to occur in any horoscope; and understandably so, because

> > >

> > > these three planets move closely together and will invariably

> > >

> > > end up being together in one house or the other.

> > >

> > > Therefore one has to be very careful before pronouncing the

> > >

> > > results for this combination because it is a combination of

> > >

> > > very common occurrence.

> > >

> > > The key to evaluate this combination is Mercury ï¿½ï¿½ " ab budh

> > >

> > > ka khali chakra surya ki madad lekar shukra ko barbad karega.

> > >

> > > This is further explained by a statement that if the Mercury

> > >

> > > gets a support from well placed Ketu then the combination

> > >

> > > will not have adverse effects ï¿½ï¿½ " agar ketu umda ho aur budh

> ko

> > >

> > > madad deve to koi mandi halat na hogi. The more malicious

> > >

> > > the mercury is the more adverse would be the results of this

> > >

> > > combination, unless of course there are other redeeming

> > >

> > > features in the horoscope. In my experience I have found

> > >

> > > that other then the Ketu, the help of Saturn also has a

> > >

> > > mitigating influence.

> > >

> > > Mercury is most malicious in the 3rd, 8th, 9th or the 12th house

> > >

> > > 3,8,12,9 mein baitha kodhi thookta hota hai. Therefore the

> > >

> > > possibility of mercury adversely affecting Venus could arise

> > >

> > > in the above houses except when in the 12th house where the

> > >

> > > venus is very strong and can withstand the onslaught of

> > >

> > > mercury. No wonder the adverse results for this combination

> > >

> > > are stated for the 3rd, 8th, and the 9th houses. For the 10th house

> > >

> > > the results are stated with another condition where a saali

> > >

> > > [ sister in law ] gets married to a brother thus bringing the

> > >

> > > Mars and the Venus together.

> > >

> > > Therefore if this combination of three planets occurs in the

> > >

> > > 3rd,8th,or the 9th house, the first thing one should look for

> > >

> > > is the redeeming features in the horoscope. If the mercury

> > >

> > > gets the help of either Ketu or Saturn [ my experience ] or

> > >

> > > if the venus is strong either in terms of Rupabal or through

> > >

> > > aspect, then this combination may not lead to the scary

> > >

> > > predictions given in the Lal Kitab.

> > >

> > > Now coming to the masnuyee resultant of this combination,

> > >

> > > my approach is slightly different. I believe that longitudinal

> > >

> > > proximity of the planets should be the main criterion of forming

> > >

> > > a masnuyee resultant. Since the concept of masnuyee planets

> > >

> > > is based on the analogy that two colors when mixed will

> > >

> > > form a third new color, it sounds appropriate that the two

> > >

> > > planets should be in proximity, in other words close

> > >

> > > enough to get mixed.

> > >

> > > If the mercury is closer to the sun as compared to the venus,

> > >

> > > then it is the sun and the mercury which will form a resultant

> > >

> > > masnuyee mars. In case the mercury and the venus are close

> > >

> > > together and the sun is a distance apart then it will be the

> > >

> > > venus and the mercury together which will form a masnuyee

> > >

> > > sun. Similarly if the sun and the venus are close together and

> > >

> > > the mercury is a distance apart then they will form a masnuyee

> > >

> > > Jupiter. If all the three planets are either close together within

> > >

> > > a few degrees of each other, or in the same degree within a

> > >

> > > few minutes then the planet with less strength will tend to

> > >

> > > merge with a planet of higher strength [as per index of

> > >

> > > strength given in budh ka bhed]; a criteria which can be applied.

> > >

> > > Summarizing, when the astrologer comes across this

> > >

> > > combination, before announcing the results he should

> > >

> > > look for all possible redeeming features in the horoscope

> > >

> > > for this combination. The astrologer should be in no

> > >

> > > hurry to announce the results.

> > >

> > > God bless you,

> > >

> > > Bhooshan Priya

> > >

> > > , " lalkitabee "

> > > lalkitabee@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected varun Ji

> > > >

> > > > In fact u had created this grand edifice, I added some bricks

> only.

> > Ur

> > > this group is a lighthouse for the generation of new era.I also

> thank

> > > all those fellows also ,by whom today we got all preserved original

> > > editions.

> > > >

> > > > Thnx

> > > >

> > > > Pt.Lakitabee

> > > >

> > > > V.Shukla

> > > >

> > > > , " varun_trvd "

> > > > varun_trvd@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Lalkitabee ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for such a brilliant and detailed exposition as to how

> Mars

> > > > > can adversely affect Venus under certain circumstances. Your

> > > argument

> > > > > stands to reason when you infer that a mars depressing a venus

> > could

> > > > > well be a malefic aspect of the Mars.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sir, it is obvious that you have taken great pains in quoting

> from

> > > > > the original Urdu editions of the Lal Kitab. And I thank you

> once

> > > > > again for all the effort you had put into answering this query.

> > > > >

> > > > > With respect and regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > >

> > > > > , lalkitabee

> > > > > <lalkitabee@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respected Varun Ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The initiatial lines of this section makes a mark as - Budh ka

> > > > > khali chakkar

> > > > > > Shukkar ko barbaad karega...... AGAR KETU NEECH MANDAA YA

> > BARBAAD

> > > > > HO TO AVVAL

> > > > > > TO AULAD HOGI HEE NAHI; HOGI BHI TO BUDHHAPE MAIN HOGI

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There are some significant points to analyze Mangal Nek as

> > mangal

> > > > > bad in this

> > > > > > scenerio of Sun+Merc+Venus. At one side Merc. is a helping

> hand

> > of

> > > > > Sun ,So

> > > > > > it cant be used to make any other masnuyee planet except Mars

> &

> > > > > other side

> > > > > > it is Spoiling Venus (Aurat).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now we come to your

> > > > > > querry- How Mars nek is acting as Mars Bad.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We have to go through 1942 & 1952 editions.So im writting some

> > > > > > points:-

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1.Shukkar ki barbaadi ke liye Mangal ko hee vazah mana jaataa

> > hai

> > > > > isi karan

> > > > > > Manglik Yog ko shadi ke maamle main khaas tavazzo dee gaye

> > > > > hai.Yaani Mangal Bad

> > > > > > hee shukkar ko barbaad kartaa hai. Lalkitab says :- GO

> > > > > > SHUKKAR NE KISI KO NEECH NAHI KIYAA MAGAR MANGAL BAD NE STRI

> > > > > (Shukkar) KO BHI

> > > > > > NAHI CHHODAA....................ISKI MAUT TAK KA BHI ASAR DIYA

> > > > > > HAI. ( 1942 ed. Page no.290 under the

> > > > > > heading SHUKKAR AUR MANGAL BAD KA TAALLUQ)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Again in 1942 ed.at page no.169 Mangal

> > > > > > khana 10 lalkitab says:- LEKIN AGAR SHUKKAR YA KISI AUR GRAH

> KA

> > > > > SAATH HO JAYE YA SURAJ HEE KHANA NO. 6

> > > > > > MAIN HOVE TO AULAD KE LIYE LAMBI UMRA (45

> > > > > > saal) TAK TARASTAA RAHEY. Here shud be

> > > > > > noted that it is written in the chapter of " Mangal

> > > > > > nek " in khana 10

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You can read like these predection about aurat & aulad in the

> > > > > chapter of

> > > > > > Sun+Merc+venus in Lalkitab 1952 ed. page no. 923.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2.Aurat ka apnaa bhai hee (khwah haqiqi.......

> > > > > > etc) jabardasti ya muhabbat ke dhoka ke fareb se aulad paida

> kar

> > > > > dega.Lalkitab

> > > > > > 1952 ed. page no. 923 ( Here BHAI is the Karak of Mars)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3.Teeno khana no. 10 saali ka rishtaa apne hee

> > > > > > ghar (teve wale ke khaandaan) main ho jana gair mubarik.ï¿½

> > > Lalkitab

> > > > > > 1952 ed. page no. 923 .ï¿½ Here KHANDAAN = HAQIQI KHOON

> > > (Mangal).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now see in (1942 ed. page no.169 Mangal khana 10)--- Valden

> bhi

> > > > > manind raja hon Bashartey ki mangal akelaa ho

> > > > > > aur khana no. 2 main stri grah na paida ho.(NA PAIDA HO )

> varnaa

> > > > > dushman grahon ke saath aane ke vaqt se aur vaqt

> > > > > > tak sab kuchh ulat hove, khud nar aulad ke liye badi umra tak

> > > > > tarsey ya aulad

> > > > > > der baad ho

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here again shud be noted that

> > > > > > it is written in the chapter of " Mangal

> > > > > > nek " in khana 10

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Saali ki apne khaandaan main

> > > > > > shadi hotey hee Suraj , Budh, Shukkar

> > > > > > khana 10 ka asar jag jayegaa aur vahaan

> > > > > > par bhi Masnuyee Mangal Nek baithaa hai vo bhi shukkar ke

> saath.

> > > > > Fir yah Mangal Nek to nahi rahaa. Agar ise sirf budh ka asar

> > maanaa

> > > > > jaye to kis tarah ? BECOZ THERE R NO CHARACTRISTICS OF MALEFIC

> > > > > MERCURY EXPLAINED IN THE CHAPTER OF SUN+MERC+VENUS.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If anybody has other scholarly views as par lalkitab,plz

> > explain.

> > > > > It will be as a previlage for me At last I want to saythe

> > > very

> > > > > begining of lalkitab it is advised to read this book as a novel

> > but

> > > > > nowhere is advised to read & use it as a readyreckner.All of u

> > know

> > > > > that each novel has to be clearly analyzed & assimilated in

> order

> > to

> > > > > understand it properly.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With Regards

> > > > > > Pt.Lalkitabee

> > > > > > V.shukla

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ï¿½

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

November 12, 2008

Dear Mr.Finn,

If Pt. Roopchand ji did not use the longitudinal proximity for

planets or any other mathematical tools does not mean that others

should not use them either. You know very well that I use Bhav-

spashtha too. For us the Lal Kitab is not a dogma, for us it is not a

fossilised 'ism',to us Lal Kitab is a living, throbbing, ever growing

insight into a nativity.

You are grossly misinformed about the concept of longitudinal

proximity not being used in traditional vedic astrology. The entire

concept of 'asta' and 'udit' planet depends on this longitudinal

proximity of the planets vis-a-vis the Sun, known as deeptansha. You

know very well when the venus is asta no marriage is conducted

amongst Hindus. Therefore the concept of an 'asta' or 'udit' planet

is extremely important in traditional Indian astrology. And this

concept is calculated through the longitudinal proximity.

Yes, in the Tajik system also yog like Isthsal etc are based on this

proximity concept. But Tajik system too was basically traditional

Indian astrology till it got back to India in the form of Tajik

astrology.

I believe we have told you this in the past also that we do not

consider the lal Kitab as a seperate system by it self. We consider

the Lal Kitab as a paddhati of the traditional Indian astrology.

God bless you,

Bhooshan Priya

, " Finn Wandahl "

<finn.wandahl wrote:

>

> Dear Mr. Bhooshan Priya,

>

> Sure, what Pt. Roop Chand Joshi said about the two lamps can be

> understood related to the effects of the two planets forming the

> artificial planet (masnuyi-concept), but I don't think it has

anything

> to do with the distance in longitude between the two planets

involved.

>

> Actually the concept of considering difference in longitude between

> two planet seems alien to Lal Kitab, since it is not being addressed

> anywhere in Lal Kitab itself, and nothing seems to indicate that Pt.

> Roop Chand Joshi or those who met him in person, ever used this

> method. In other word, they would consider two planets to be in

> conjunction if the occupy the same house, no matter if there were 1

> degree or 29 degrees between them, and also no matter if a third

> planet should be located between from.

>

> As a matter of fact the concept of considering the distance of

> longitude between two planets in conjunction, in the way you have

> suggested it, is very rarely seen in Hindu astrology. It can however

> be found in Tajik-school, where the Tajik-yogas are delineated this

> way. Actually the Tajik-yogas are almost completely analogous to the

> traditional Western method of using orbit, moity, applications and

> separations to the planetary conjunctions and aspects. But then

again,

> Tajik-school and traditional Western astrology has very little in

> common with Lal Kitab, and it can hardly be relevant to introduce

> concepts from these schools into Lal Kitab.

>

> Best regards,

> Finn Wandahl

>

> , " "

> <@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mr. Finn,

> >

> > The concept and the mechanism of masnuyee

> >

> > planets are derived from the following

> >

> > statement of the Lal Kitab:

> >

> > sooraj ka lamp jag raha hai, iska rang

> >

> > gandami hai, is ke sath hi agar brahaspati ka

> >

> > lamp jag pade jiska rang jard hai to dono lamps

> >

> > ki roshni jo rang degi vahi rang zindgi mein in

> >

> > grahon ke asar ka hoga. Yani zard rang kachche

> >

> > peele ki bajay roshni ab pakke peele rang ki hogi.

> >

> > Isi tarah se hi sab grahon ke lamps ke rangon ka

> >

> > apas mein ikatthe ya jude-jude chamakne par hoga

> >

> > In the above statement the book talks about two

> >

> > lamps and their beams of different colours merging

> >

> > to form a new beam of a different colour, and

> >

> > thus the two lamps will shine independently and

> >

> > also both together.

> >

> > But when there are three planets together, then

> >

> > how should we go about this whole process. The

> >

> > answer is simple. Of the three lamps, the beams

> >

> > of the two close to each other will merge. In case

> >

> > all the three lamps are placed closely together then

> >

> > the beam of the stronger lamp will prevail and the

> >

> > beam of the weaker one will get merged into that

> >

> > of the stronger one.

> >

> > I hope now you understand what I have said earlier.

> >

> > God bless you,

> >

> > Bhooshan Priya

> >

> > , " Finn Wandahl "

> > <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Mr. Bhooshan Priya,

> > >

> > > As an honest seeker of knowledge about the great Lal Kitab, I

have a

> > few

> > > questions regarding your learned opinion about the combination

of

> > > Sun-Mercury-Venus, the way you have you have described it in

these

> > > lines, so kindly patience with me...

> > >

> > > >>If the mercury is closer to the sun as compared to the venus,

then

> > it

> > > is the sun and the mercury which will form a resultant masnuyee

mars.

> > In

> > > case the mercury and the venus are close together and the sun

is a

> > > distance apart then it will be the venus and the mercury

together

> > which

> > > will form a masnuyee sun.

> > >

> > > Similarly if the sun and the venus are close together and the

> > mercuryis

> > > a distance apart then they will form a masnuyee Jupiter. If all

the

> > > three planets are either close together within a few degrees of

> > > eachother, or in the same degree within a few minutes then the

planet

> > > withless strength will tend to merge with a planet of higher

strength

> > > [asper index of strength given in budh ka bhed]; a criteria

which can

> > be

> > > applied.<<

> > >

> > > Where does these rules come come from? I have never seen

anything even

> > > remotely like this in the great Lal Kitab itself. What or

rather who

> > is

> > > the originator of these rules? Please elaborate on this, so

that I may

> > > get a fair chance to understand what this is actually all about!

> > >

> > > Best regards,

> > > Finn Wandahl

> > >

> > > , " "

> > > @ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lalkitabee ji and members,

> > > >

> > > > The scaring results of Sun + Mercury +Venus combination

> > > >

> > > > given in the Lal Kitab intrigued me too. In the traditional

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology this combination if under malefic affliction

> > > >

> > > > can result in : dukhi, vachaal, bhramansheel, dweshi etc.

> > > >

> > > > It does not predict the kind of results predicted in the Lal

Kitab.

> > > >

> > > > I did an impromptu frequency count of this combination.

> > > >

> > > > I selected 600 horoscopes randomly, fifty horoscopes for

> > > >

> > > > each month. I found that of these 600 horoscopes 94 of them

> > > >

> > > > had this combination in one house or the other [ almost 16% ].

> > > >

> > > > This would be the most frequent combination of three planets

> > > >

> > > > to occur in any horoscope; and understandably so, because

> > > >

> > > > these three planets move closely together and will invariably

> > > >

> > > > end up being together in one house or the other.

> > > >

> > > > Therefore one has to be very careful before pronouncing the

> > > >

> > > > results for this combination because it is a combination of

> > > >

> > > > very common occurrence.

> > > >

> > > > The key to evaluate this combination is Mercury ï¿½ï¿½ " ab budh

> > > >

> > > > ka khali chakra surya ki madad lekar shukra ko barbad karega.

> > > >

> > > > This is further explained by a statement that if the Mercury

> > > >

> > > > gets a support from well placed Ketu then the combination

> > > >

> > > > will not have adverse effects ï¿½ï¿½ " agar ketu umda ho aur budh

> > ko

> > > >

> > > > madad deve to koi mandi halat na hogi. The more malicious

> > > >

> > > > the mercury is the more adverse would be the results of this

> > > >

> > > > combination, unless of course there are other redeeming

> > > >

> > > > features in the horoscope. In my experience I have found

> > > >

> > > > that other then the Ketu, the help of Saturn also has a

> > > >

> > > > mitigating influence.

> > > >

> > > > Mercury is most malicious in the 3rd, 8th, 9th or the 12th

house

> > > >

> > > > 3,8,12,9 mein baitha kodhi thookta hota hai. Therefore the

> > > >

> > > > possibility of mercury adversely affecting Venus could arise

> > > >

> > > > in the above houses except when in the 12th house where the

> > > >

> > > > venus is very strong and can withstand the onslaught of

> > > >

> > > > mercury. No wonder the adverse results for this combination

> > > >

> > > > are stated for the 3rd, 8th, and the 9th houses. For the 10th

house

> > > >

> > > > the results are stated with another condition where a saali

> > > >

> > > > [ sister in law ] gets married to a brother thus bringing the

> > > >

> > > > Mars and the Venus together.

> > > >

> > > > Therefore if this combination of three planets occurs in the

> > > >

> > > > 3rd,8th,or the 9th house, the first thing one should look for

> > > >

> > > > is the redeeming features in the horoscope. If the mercury

> > > >

> > > > gets the help of either Ketu or Saturn [ my experience ] or

> > > >

> > > > if the venus is strong either in terms of Rupabal or through

> > > >

> > > > aspect, then this combination may not lead to the scary

> > > >

> > > > predictions given in the Lal Kitab.

> > > >

> > > > Now coming to the masnuyee resultant of this combination,

> > > >

> > > > my approach is slightly different. I believe that longitudinal

> > > >

> > > > proximity of the planets should be the main criterion of

forming

> > > >

> > > > a masnuyee resultant. Since the concept of masnuyee planets

> > > >

> > > > is based on the analogy that two colors when mixed will

> > > >

> > > > form a third new color, it sounds appropriate that the two

> > > >

> > > > planets should be in proximity, in other words close

> > > >

> > > > enough to get mixed.

> > > >

> > > > If the mercury is closer to the sun as compared to the venus,

> > > >

> > > > then it is the sun and the mercury which will form a resultant

> > > >

> > > > masnuyee mars. In case the mercury and the venus are close

> > > >

> > > > together and the sun is a distance apart then it will be the

> > > >

> > > > venus and the mercury together which will form a masnuyee

> > > >

> > > > sun. Similarly if the sun and the venus are close together and

> > > >

> > > > the mercury is a distance apart then they will form a masnuyee

> > > >

> > > > Jupiter. If all the three planets are either close together

within

> > > >

> > > > a few degrees of each other, or in the same degree within a

> > > >

> > > > few minutes then the planet with less strength will tend to

> > > >

> > > > merge with a planet of higher strength [as per index of

> > > >

> > > > strength given in budh ka bhed]; a criteria which can be

applied.

> > > >

> > > > Summarizing, when the astrologer comes across this

> > > >

> > > > combination, before announcing the results he should

> > > >

> > > > look for all possible redeeming features in the horoscope

> > > >

> > > > for this combination. The astrologer should be in no

> > > >

> > > > hurry to announce the results.

> > > >

> > > > God bless you,

> > > >

> > > > Bhooshan Priya

> > > >

> > > > , " lalkitabee "

> > > > lalkitabee@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected varun Ji

> > > > >

> > > > > In fact u had created this grand edifice, I added some

bricks

> > only.

> > > Ur

> > > > this group is a lighthouse for the generation of new era.I

also

> > thank

> > > > all those fellows also ,by whom today we got all preserved

original

> > > > editions.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thnx

> > > > >

> > > > > Pt.Lakitabee

> > > > >

> > > > > V.Shukla

> > > > >

> > > > > , " varun_trvd "

> > > > > varun_trvd@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respected Lalkitabee ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks for such a brilliant and detailed exposition as to

how

> > Mars

> > > > > > can adversely affect Venus under certain circumstances.

Your

> > > > argument

> > > > > > stands to reason when you infer that a mars depressing a

venus

> > > could

> > > > > > well be a malefic aspect of the Mars.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sir, it is obvious that you have taken great pains in

quoting

> > from

> > > > > > the original Urdu editions of the Lal Kitab. And I thank

you

> > once

> > > > > > again for all the effort you had put into answering this

query.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With respect and regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , lalkitabee

> > > > > > <lalkitabee@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Respected Varun Ji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The initiatial lines of this section makes a mark as -

Budh ka

> > > > > > khali chakkar

> > > > > > > Shukkar ko barbaad karega...... AGAR KETU NEECH MANDAA

YA

> > > BARBAAD

> > > > > > HO TO AVVAL

> > > > > > > TO AULAD HOGI HEE NAHI; HOGI BHI TO BUDHHAPE MAIN HOGI

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There are some significant points to analyze Mangal Nek

as

> > > mangal

> > > > > > bad in this

> > > > > > > scenerio of Sun+Merc+Venus. At one side Merc. is a

helping

> > hand

> > > of

> > > > > > Sun ,So

> > > > > > > it cant be used to make any other masnuyee planet

except Mars

> > &

> > > > > > other side

> > > > > > > it is Spoiling Venus (Aurat).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now we come to your

> > > > > > > querry- How Mars nek is acting as Mars Bad.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > We have to go through 1942 & 1952 editions.So im

writting some

> > > > > > > points:-

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1.Shukkar ki barbaadi ke liye Mangal ko hee vazah mana

jaataa

> > > hai

> > > > > > isi karan

> > > > > > > Manglik Yog ko shadi ke maamle main khaas tavazzo dee

gaye

> > > > > > hai.Yaani Mangal Bad

> > > > > > > hee shukkar ko barbaad kartaa hai. Lalkitab says :- GO

> > > > > > > SHUKKAR NE KISI KO NEECH NAHI KIYAA MAGAR MANGAL BAD NE

STRI

> > > > > > (Shukkar) KO BHI

> > > > > > > NAHI CHHODAA....................ISKI MAUT TAK KA BHI

ASAR DIYA

> > > > > > > HAI. ( 1942 ed. Page no.290 under the

> > > > > > > heading SHUKKAR AUR MANGAL BAD KA TAALLUQ)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Again in 1942 ed.at page no.169 Mangal

> > > > > > > khana 10 lalkitab says:- LEKIN AGAR SHUKKAR YA KISI AUR

GRAH

> > KA

> > > > > > SAATH HO JAYE YA SURAJ HEE KHANA NO. 6

> > > > > > > MAIN HOVE TO AULAD KE LIYE LAMBI UMRA (45

> > > > > > > saal) TAK TARASTAA RAHEY. Here shud be

> > > > > > > noted that it is written in the chapter of " Mangal

> > > > > > > nek " in khana 10

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You can read like these predection about aurat & aulad

in the

> > > > > > chapter of

> > > > > > > Sun+Merc+venus in Lalkitab 1952 ed. page no. 923.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 2.Aurat ka apnaa bhai hee (khwah haqiqi.......

> > > > > > > etc) jabardasti ya muhabbat ke dhoka ke fareb se aulad

paida

> > kar

> > > > > > dega.Lalkitab

> > > > > > > 1952 ed. page no. 923 ( Here BHAI is the Karak of Mars)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 3.Teeno khana no. 10 saali ka rishtaa apne hee

> > > > > > > ghar (teve wale ke khaandaan) main ho jana gair

mubarik.ï¿½

> > > > Lalkitab

> > > > > > > 1952 ed. page no. 923 .ï¿½ Here KHANDAAN = HAQIQI KHOON

> > > > (Mangal).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now see in (1942 ed. page no.169 Mangal khana 10)---

Valden

> > bhi

> > > > > > manind raja hon Bashartey ki mangal akelaa ho

> > > > > > > aur khana no. 2 main stri grah na paida ho.(NA PAIDA

HO )

> > varnaa

> > > > > > dushman grahon ke saath aane ke vaqt se aur vaqt

> > > > > > > tak sab kuchh ulat hove, khud nar aulad ke liye badi

umra tak

> > > > > > tarsey ya aulad

> > > > > > > der baad ho

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Here again shud be noted that

> > > > > > > it is written in the chapter of " Mangal

> > > > > > > nek " in khana 10

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Saali ki apne khaandaan main

> > > > > > > shadi hotey hee Suraj , Budh, Shukkar

> > > > > > > khana 10 ka asar jag jayegaa aur vahaan

> > > > > > > par bhi Masnuyee Mangal Nek baithaa hai vo bhi shukkar

ke

> > saath.

> > > > > > Fir yah Mangal Nek to nahi rahaa. Agar ise sirf budh ka

asar

> > > maanaa

> > > > > > jaye to kis tarah ? BECOZ THERE R NO CHARACTRISTICS OF

MALEFIC

> > > > > > MERCURY EXPLAINED IN THE CHAPTER OF SUN+MERC+VENUS.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If anybody has other scholarly views as par lalkitab,plz

> > > explain.

> > > > > > It will be as a previlage for me At last I want to say---

In the

> > > > very

> > > > > > begining of lalkitab it is advised to read this book as a

novel

> > > but

> > > > > > nowhere is advised to read & use it as a readyreckner.All

of u

> > > know

> > > > > > that each novel has to be clearly analyzed & assimilated

in

> > order

> > > to

> > > > > > understand it properly.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > With Regards

> > > > > > > Pt.Lalkitabee

> > > > > > > V.shukla

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ï¿½

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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