Guest guest Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 Sir, Is it possible that the start of 35 year cycle could be taken to begin with the planet which reaches the 1st house? I mean to say that if the first two houses are unoccupied and the third house has a planet which will ascend the throne during the 3rd year in the varsh phal kundali, then should we take that planet as the starting point? A question has already been raised as to which planet will be taken to operate in daura for the initial two years. Incidentally, the procedure given for working out the 35 year cycle in the file section of the group has been described as a ‘maladroit’ attempt. Sincerely, H S Gill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 Respected Gill saheb, Any thing explained maladroitly [ clumsily ] is far better than explained patently wrongly. We are not surprised at the comment because any thing to do with Jyotish Ganit would appear clumsy [ maladroit ] to those who have never studied it. Any way a mathematical solution is any day better than any other solution because it is objective and logical. As you have informed, a question has already been raised as to which planet will have its daura during the years prior to when a planet comes to the 1st house. The other question which would also need attention is what happens if there are four planets getting to the 1st house instead of one planet. In that case will the planet of daura be decided through drawing of lots? {sic}. Suppose we have mercury, venus, Saturn, and rahu in the 3rd house and all of them move to the 1st house [ varshphal kundali] in the 3rd year, then which of these will be taken as a planet of daura ; and on what grounds? To say that a qayam grah out of these four will be the one to start the daura will be very naïve and might invite further questions. Regards, Varun Trivedi , " gill_hs2005 " <gill_hs2005 wrote: > > Sir, > > Is it possible that the start of 35 year cycle could be taken to begin > with the planet which reaches the 1st house? I mean to say that if the > first two houses are unoccupied and the third house has a planet which > will ascend the throne during the 3rd year in the varsh phal kundali, > then should we take that planet as the starting point? > > A question has already been raised as to which planet will be taken to > operate in daura for the initial two years. > > Incidentally, the procedure given for working out the 35 year cycle in > the file section of the group has been described as a ‘maladroit’ > attempt. > > Sincerely, > > H S Gill > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 Respected Varun ji, Sir, in case of " 35 sala Chakkar" My observation is below Pt. Ji wrote in:- Aarmaan no. 113 A, Chapter: " EK DIN KA HAAL" LK-Edition-1940" 1. Har Ek Vyakati Ki Kismat Ka Haal "Janam Samay Ke Grah" se shuru hota hey. Chapter "PAHLE SAPTAH MAIN" K. TAKHAT KE MAALIK GRAHON KE LIYE: ( Yani Varshaphal vali Talika) " JANAM SAMAY KA GRAH SABSE PAHLE SHURU HONE VALA GINEGAIN" Uskey baad Lalkitab page no. 7(Pt. Ji ne yah havala 1939 vali kitab ka diya hey jismain unhoney grahon ka kraram (Sequence) di hey) par diye huey karram se baki grahon ko likhaingey. I try to explain this method with below example Date of Birth: 15-09-1985 Time:-15:20 Day: Sunday Place: Delhi Janam Din Ka Grah- Surya Janam Samay ka Grah- Venus Now The sequence Start from Venus 3yrs +Jupiter 6yrs+Sun 2yrs+Moon 1yrs+ Venus 3yrs+Mars 6yrs+Merc 2yrs+Shani 6yrs+Rahu 6yrs+Ketu 3yrs=Total-59yra. The First cucle of 35th year is running upto 38th years. Iind cycle Start from its own sequence that is start with Jupiter. In this contest you can read: "35 SAALA CHAKKAR" in 1952 Edition : Pt. Ji wrote " Grahon ka 35 saala chakkar aur Insaan ki Umar ka 35 saala chakkar do alag alag batain hain." In this regard pt. Ji given a example in this chapter in which pt. Ji wrote about this " Ki eska pehla grah brahaspati ki bajay Shani shuru ho aur Janamdin ki bajay 7vain saal se shuru ho. Ab tamam grah 35 saal main hi apna daura poora kar lengey. Jab aakhiri grah ka aakhiri din hoga us vakat Insaan ki Umar 35 saal ka daura jama 6 saal, yaani kul umar 41 saal hey aur doosra chakkar janamDin valley grah ki doosri chaal hogi. I am not claim that I am right but my understanding is this. Thanks Regards Umesh Sharma , "varun_trvd" <varun_trvd wrote:>> Respected Gill saheb,> > Any thing explained maladroitly [ clumsily ] is far better than > explained patently wrongly. We are not surprised at the comment > because any thing to do with Jyotish Ganit would appear clumsy [ > maladroit ] to those who have never studied it. Any way a > mathematical solution is any day better than any other solution > because it is objective and logical.> > As you have informed, a question has already been raised as to which > planet will have its daura during the years prior to when a planet > comes to the 1st house. > > The other question which would also need attention is what happens if > there are four planets getting to the 1st house instead of one > planet. In that case will the planet of daura be decided through > drawing of lots? {sic}.> > Suppose we have mercury, venus, Saturn, and rahu in the 3rd house > and all of them move to the 1st house [ varshphal kundali] in the 3rd > year, then which of these will be taken as a planet of daura ; and on > what grounds? To say that a qayam grah out of these four will be the > one to start the daura will be very naïve and might invite further > questions.> > Regards,> > Varun Trivedi> > > > > > > > > > , "gill_hs2005" > gill_hs2005@ wrote:> >> > Sir,> > > > Is it possible that the start of 35 year cycle could be taken to > begin > > with the planet which reaches the 1st house? I mean to say that if > the > > first two houses are unoccupied and the third house has a planet > which > > will ascend the throne during the 3rd year in the varsh phal > kundali, > > then should we take that planet as the starting point?> > > > A question has already been raised as to which planet will be taken > to > > operate in daura for the initial two years.> > > > Incidentally, the procedure given for working out the 35 year cycle > in > > the file section of the group has been described as a ‘maladroit’ > > attempt.> > > > Sincerely,> > > > H S Gill> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 Respected Umesh ji, We have a few reservations about this ‘janma samay’ solution. If we accept that then all births taking place at night [ specially dark nights ] or on cloudy days will have Saturn as the starting planet. We may not have so many cloudy days in India but in the higher latitudes cloudy days are very common. There would be a practical difficulty too in finding out whether it was cloudy or not on the day the native was born. If we accept the ‘janma samay’ theory then more than half the population will start it’s 35 year dasha with Saturn. This, to us, does not sound logical. The same will be true if we accept the janma din as the starting point. In that case no body will start his dasha with Rahu or Ketu. That again doesn’t sound logical. Therefore we would like to go by the logical method of working out the 35 year dasha system of the Lal Kitab on the same basis as Vinshottari dasha is worked out. With great regards and respect, Varun Trivedi , " Umesh Sharma " <mudit982001 wrote: > > > > > Respected Varun ji, > > Sir, in case of " 35 sala Chakkar " My observation is below > > Pt. Ji wrote in:- > > Aarmaan no. 113 A, Chapter: " EK DIN KA HAAL " > LK-Edition-1940 " > > 1. Har Ek Vyakati Ki Kismat Ka Haal " Janam Samay Ke Grah " se > shuru hota hey. > > Chapter " PAHLE SAPTAH MAIN " > > K. TAKHAT KE MAALIK GRAHON KE LIYE: ( Yani Varshaphal vali Talika) > > " JANAM SAMAY KA GRAH SABSE PAHLE SHURU HONE VALA GINEGAIN " > Uskey baad Lalkitab page no. 7(Pt. Ji ne yah havala 1939 vali kitab ka > diya hey jismain unhoney grahon ka kraram (Sequence) di hey) par diye > huey karram se baki grahon ko likhaingey. > > I try to explain this method with below example > > Date of Birth: 15-09-1985 Time:-15:20 Day: Sunday Place: Delhi > > Janam Din Ka Grah- Surya > > Janam Samay ka Grah- Venus > > Now The sequence Start from > > Venus 3yrs +Jupiter 6yrs+Sun 2yrs+Moon 1yrs+ Venus 3yrs+Mars 6yrs+Merc > 2yrs+Shani 6yrs+Rahu 6yrs+Ketu 3yrs=Total-59yra. The First cucle of > 35th year is running upto 38th years. Iind cycle Start from its own > sequence that is start with Jupiter. > > In this contest you can read: " 35 SAALA CHAKKAR " in 1952 Edition > : Pt. Ji wrote " Grahon ka 35 saala chakkar aur Insaan ki Umar ka 35 > saala chakkar do alag alag batain hain. " > > In this regard pt. Ji given a example in this chapter in which pt. Ji > wrote about this " Ki eska pehla grah brahaspati ki bajay Shani shuru ho > aur Janamdin ki bajay 7vain saal se shuru ho. Ab tamam grah 35 saal main > hi apna daura poora kar lengey. Jab aakhiri grah ka aakhiri din hoga us > vakat Insaan ki Umar 35 saal ka daura jama 6 saal, yaani kul umar 41 > saal hey aur doosra chakkar janamDin valley grah ki doosri chaal hogi. > > I am not claim that I am right but my understanding is this. > > > Thanks > > > Regards > > > Umesh Sharma > > , " varun_trvd " > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > Respected Gill saheb, > > > > Any thing explained maladroitly [ clumsily ] is far better than > > explained patently wrongly. We are not surprised at the comment > > because any thing to do with Jyotish Ganit would appear clumsy [ > > maladroit ] to those who have never studied it. Any way a > > mathematical solution is any day better than any other solution > > because it is objective and logical. > > > > As you have informed, a question has already been raised as to which > > planet will have its daura during the years prior to when a planet > > comes to the 1st house. > > > > The other question which would also need attention is what happens if > > there are four planets getting to the 1st house instead of one > > planet. In that case will the planet of daura be decided through > > drawing of lots? {sic}. > > > > Suppose we have mercury, venus, Saturn, and rahu in the 3rd house > > and all of them move to the 1st house [ varshphal kundali] in the 3rd > > year, then which of these will be taken as a planet of daura ; and on > > what grounds? To say that a qayam grah out of these four will be the > > one to start the daura will be very naïve and might invite further > > questions. > > > > Regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " gill_hs2005 " > > gill_hs2005@ wrote: > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > Is it possible that the start of 35 year cycle could be taken to > > begin > > > with the planet which reaches the 1st house? I mean to say that if > > the > > > first two houses are unoccupied and the third house has a planet > > which > > > will ascend the throne during the 3rd year in the varsh phal > > kundali, > > > then should we take that planet as the starting point? > > > > > > A question has already been raised as to which planet will be taken > > to > > > operate in daura for the initial two years. > > > > > > Incidentally, the procedure given for working out the 35 year cycle > > in > > > the file section of the group has been described as a > ‘maladroit’ > > > attempt. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > H S Gill > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 Dear Varun ji, There is yet another alternative suggested. The 35 year dasha chakra to begin with the planet which starts its daura first i.e. the planet which first reaches the throne or the 1st house. Your take on it. Sincerely, H S Gill , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > Respected Umesh ji, > > We have a few reservations about this ‘janma samay’ solution. If we > accept that then all births taking place at night [ specially dark > nights ] or on cloudy days will have Saturn as the starting planet. > We may not have so many cloudy days in India but in the higher > latitudes cloudy days are very common. There would be a practical > difficulty too in finding out whether it was cloudy or not on the day > the native was born. > > If we accept the ‘janma samay’ theory then more than half the > population will start it’s 35 year dasha with Saturn. This, to us, > does not sound logical. > > The same will be true if we accept the janma din as the starting > point. In that case no body will start his dasha with Rahu or Ketu. > That again doesn’t sound logical. > > Therefore we would like to go by the logical method of working out > the 35 year dasha system of the Lal Kitab on the same basis as > Vinshottari dasha is worked out. > > With great regards and respect, > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > , " Umesh Sharma " > <mudit982001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Respected Varun ji, > > > > Sir, in case of " 35 sala Chakkar " My observation is below > > > > Pt. Ji wrote in:- > > > > Aarmaan no. 113 A, Chapter: " EK DIN KA HAAL " > > LK-Edition-1940 " > > > > 1. Har Ek Vyakati Ki Kismat Ka Haal " Janam Samay Ke Grah " se > > shuru hota hey. > > > > Chapter " PAHLE SAPTAH MAIN " > > > > K. TAKHAT KE MAALIK GRAHON KE LIYE: ( Yani Varshaphal vali Talika) > > > > " JANAM SAMAY KA GRAH SABSE PAHLE SHURU HONE VALA GINEGAIN " > > Uskey baad Lalkitab page no. 7(Pt. Ji ne yah havala 1939 vali kitab > ka > > diya hey jismain unhoney grahon ka kraram (Sequence) di hey) par > diye > > huey karram se baki grahon ko likhaingey. > > > > I try to explain this method with below example > > > > Date of Birth: 15-09-1985 Time:-15:20 Day: Sunday Place: Delhi > > > > Janam Din Ka Grah- Surya > > > > Janam Samay ka Grah- Venus > > > > Now The sequence Start from > > > > Venus 3yrs +Jupiter 6yrs+Sun 2yrs+Moon 1yrs+ Venus 3yrs+Mars > 6yrs+Merc > > 2yrs+Shani 6yrs+Rahu 6yrs+Ketu 3yrs=Total-59yra. The First cucle of > > 35th year is running upto 38th years. Iind cycle Start from its own > > sequence that is start with Jupiter. > > > > In this contest you can read: " 35 SAALA CHAKKAR " in 1952 Edition > > : Pt. Ji wrote " Grahon ka 35 saala chakkar aur Insaan ki Umar ka 35 > > saala chakkar do alag alag batain hain. " > > > > In this regard pt. Ji given a example in this chapter in which pt. > Ji > > wrote about this " Ki eska pehla grah brahaspati ki bajay Shani > shuru ho > > aur Janamdin ki bajay 7vain saal se shuru ho. Ab tamam grah 35 saal > main > > hi apna daura poora kar lengey. Jab aakhiri grah ka aakhiri din > hoga us > > vakat Insaan ki Umar 35 saal ka daura jama 6 saal, yaani kul umar 41 > > saal hey aur doosra chakkar janamDin valley grah ki doosri chaal > hogi. > > > > I am not claim that I am right but my understanding is this. > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Umesh Sharma > > > > , " varun_trvd " > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Gill saheb, > > > > > > Any thing explained maladroitly [ clumsily ] is far better than > > > explained patently wrongly. We are not surprised at the comment > > > because any thing to do with Jyotish Ganit would appear clumsy [ > > > maladroit ] to those who have never studied it. Any way a > > > mathematical solution is any day better than any other solution > > > because it is objective and logical. > > > > > > As you have informed, a question has already been raised as to > which > > > planet will have its daura during the years prior to when a planet > > > comes to the 1st house. > > > > > > The other question which would also need attention is what > happens if > > > there are four planets getting to the 1st house instead of one > > > planet. In that case will the planet of daura be decided through > > > drawing of lots? {sic}. > > > > > > Suppose we have mercury, venus, Saturn, and rahu in the 3rd house > > > and all of them move to the 1st house [ varshphal kundali] in the > 3rd > > > year, then which of these will be taken as a planet of daura ; > and on > > > what grounds? To say that a qayam grah out of these four will be > the > > > one to start the daura will be very naïve and might invite further > > > questions. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " gill_hs2005 " > > > gill_hs2005@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > Is it possible that the start of 35 year cycle could be taken to > > > begin > > > > with the planet which reaches the 1st house? I mean to say that > if > > > the > > > > first two houses are unoccupied and the third house has a planet > > > which > > > > will ascend the throne during the 3rd year in the varsh phal > > > kundali, > > > > then should we take that planet as the starting point? > > > > > > > > A question has already been raised as to which planet will be > taken > > > to > > > > operate in daura for the initial two years. > > > > > > > > Incidentally, the procedure given for working out the 35 year > cycle > > > in > > > > the file section of the group has been described as a > > ‘maladroit’ > > > > attempt. > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > H S Gill > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 Respected Gill Saheb Well let's have a look at the 'grah ka daura' system. The premises of the solution are that: [a] which ever grah reaches the 1st house first will be taken as the operating planet from that year onwards for the 35 year dasha cycle. in case there are more than one grah reaching the throne [ 1st house ] then the grah starting the dasha will be decided according to the sequence of planets laid down for the 35 year dasha cycle. For example if both venus and the Saturn reach the first house then it is the venus which will be taken as the operating planet because the venus has a precedence over Saturn in the sequence. [c] If a planet reaches the 1st house in the 3rd year then the initial two years of the native will be supposed to be under the dasha of the planet preceding that reached planet in the sequence. Now let us take up an example horoscope and see what happens : Horoscope : Fourth house : Saturn, rahu Fifth house : moon, mercury, venus Sixth house : sun , mars, jupiter Tenth house : ketu [ a common vedic astrology partial kal amrit / kal sarp horoscope] Saturn and rahu will be the first planets to reach the 1st house in the 4th year. Since the Saturn has precedence over rahu in the 35 year dasha cycle, therefore it will be the Saturn which will be assumed to operate from the 4th year till the 9th year. Then Rahu will take over for 6 years till the 15th year and then Ketu and so on. So far so good; no problem. Now let us work out the operating planets from birth till the 4th year before the Saturn takes over. The preceding planet to the Saturn in the 35 year dasha cycle is mercury. Now let us see whether mercury will be operative or not. If you notice mercury is a dormant planet ‘soya hua grah’. Now how can mercury be an operating planet if he himself is not awakened? Let us move to the next one preceding the mercury and that one is Mars. Unfortunately mars too is dormant. You will notice that we will have to move down all the way to Ketu because all the planets in between are dormant. Therefore ketu will be the operating planet for the 1st, 2nd and the 3rd year of the native. Thus the 35 year cycle of the native based on ‘grah ka daura’ solution will look like this : Ketu : 1 to 3 Saturn : 4 to 9 Rahu : 10 to 15 Ketu : 16 to 18 Jupiter : 19 to 24 And so on…. Did you notice the anomaly? When we say that it is a 35 year cycle, it implies that a planet will repeat itself only after the cycle of 35 years is complete. In the above cycle for the native Ketu repeats itself much before the cycle is completed. Secondly the sequence had to be altered, instead of mercury preceding the Saturn, it is the ketu operating before Saturn. Therefore the grah ka daura solution can be used only if you are prepared to accept that : [ a ] a planet can become operative in the 35year dasha cycle even though it is dormant or soya hua for all other purposes in the horoscope and has yet to awaken. [ b ] That the sanctity of the term cycle [ chakra ] has no meaning or is not relevant as far as the 35 year dasha is concerned and a planet can become operative even if the cycle is not complete. Remember the Lal Kitab talks about quite a few cycles in various other contexts. Others might accept these two. At least we do not accept them. We would prefer to continue with the 35 year dasha system drawn on the principles of conventional Vinshottari dasha system which is not only shatra sammat but yields satisfactory results. Every one according to his own experience and rationality. Regards, Varun Trivedi , " gill_hs2005 " <gill_hs2005 wrote: > > Dear Varun ji, > > There is yet another alternative suggested. The 35 year dasha chakra > to begin with the planet which starts its daura first i.e. the planet > which first reaches the throne or the 1st house. Your take on it. > > Sincerely, > > H S Gill > > > , " varun_trvd " > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > Respected Umesh ji, > > > > We have a few reservations about this ‘janma samay’ solution. If we > > accept that then all births taking place at night [ specially dark > > nights ] or on cloudy days will have Saturn as the starting planet. > > We may not have so many cloudy days in India but in the higher > > latitudes cloudy days are very common. There would be a practical > > difficulty too in finding out whether it was cloudy or not on the > day > > the native was born. > > > > If we accept the ‘janma samay’ theory then more than half the > > population will start it’s 35 year dasha with Saturn. This, to us, > > does not sound logical. > > > > The same will be true if we accept the janma din as the starting > > point. In that case no body will start his dasha with Rahu or Ketu. > > That again doesn’t sound logical. > > > > Therefore we would like to go by the logical method of working out > > the 35 year dasha system of the Lal Kitab on the same basis as > > Vinshottari dasha is worked out. > > > > With great regards and respect, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Umesh Sharma " > > <mudit982001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Varun ji, > > > > > > Sir, in case of " 35 sala Chakkar " My observation is below > > > > > > Pt. Ji wrote in:- > > > > > > Aarmaan no. 113 A, Chapter: " EK DIN KA HAAL " > > > LK-Edition-1940 " > > > > > > 1. Har Ek Vyakati Ki Kismat Ka Haal " Janam Samay Ke Grah " se > > > shuru hota hey. > > > > > > Chapter " PAHLE SAPTAH MAIN " > > > > > > K. TAKHAT KE MAALIK GRAHON KE LIYE: ( Yani Varshaphal vali Talika) > > > > > > " JANAM SAMAY KA GRAH SABSE PAHLE SHURU HONE VALA GINEGAIN " > > > Uskey baad Lalkitab page no. 7(Pt. Ji ne yah havala 1939 vali > kitab > > ka > > > diya hey jismain unhoney grahon ka kraram (Sequence) di hey) par > > diye > > > huey karram se baki grahon ko likhaingey. > > > > > > I try to explain this method with below example > > > > > > Date of Birth: 15-09-1985 Time:-15:20 Day: Sunday Place: Delhi > > > > > > Janam Din Ka Grah- Surya > > > > > > Janam Samay ka Grah- Venus > > > > > > Now The sequence Start from > > > > > > Venus 3yrs +Jupiter 6yrs+Sun 2yrs+Moon 1yrs+ Venus 3yrs+Mars > > 6yrs+Merc > > > 2yrs+Shani 6yrs+Rahu 6yrs+Ketu 3yrs=Total-59yra. The First cucle > of > > > 35th year is running upto 38th years. Iind cycle Start from its > own > > > sequence that is start with Jupiter. > > > > > > In this contest you can read: " 35 SAALA CHAKKAR " in 1952 Edition > > > : Pt. Ji wrote " Grahon ka 35 saala chakkar aur Insaan ki Umar ka > 35 > > > saala chakkar do alag alag batain hain. " > > > > > > In this regard pt. Ji given a example in this chapter in which > pt. > > Ji > > > wrote about this " Ki eska pehla grah brahaspati ki bajay Shani > > shuru ho > > > aur Janamdin ki bajay 7vain saal se shuru ho. Ab tamam grah 35 > saal > > main > > > hi apna daura poora kar lengey. Jab aakhiri grah ka aakhiri din > > hoga us > > > vakat Insaan ki Umar 35 saal ka daura jama 6 saal, yaani kul umar > 41 > > > saal hey aur doosra chakkar janamDin valley grah ki doosri chaal > > hogi. > > > > > > I am not claim that I am right but my understanding is this. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Umesh Sharma > > > > > > , " varun_trvd " > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Gill saheb, > > > > > > > > Any thing explained maladroitly [ clumsily ] is far better than > > > > explained patently wrongly. We are not surprised at the comment > > > > because any thing to do with Jyotish Ganit would appear clumsy [ > > > > maladroit ] to those who have never studied it. Any way a > > > > mathematical solution is any day better than any other solution > > > > because it is objective and logical. > > > > > > > > As you have informed, a question has already been raised as to > > which > > > > planet will have its daura during the years prior to when a > planet > > > > comes to the 1st house. > > > > > > > > The other question which would also need attention is what > > happens if > > > > there are four planets getting to the 1st house instead of one > > > > planet. In that case will the planet of daura be decided through > > > > drawing of lots? {sic}. > > > > > > > > Suppose we have mercury, venus, Saturn, and rahu in the 3rd > house > > > > and all of them move to the 1st house [ varshphal kundali] in > the > > 3rd > > > > year, then which of these will be taken as a planet of daura ; > > and on > > > > what grounds? To say that a qayam grah out of these four will > be > > the > > > > one to start the daura will be very naïve and might invite > further > > > > questions. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " gill_hs2005 " > > > > gill_hs2005@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > Is it possible that the start of 35 year cycle could be taken > to > > > > begin > > > > > with the planet which reaches the 1st house? I mean to say > that > > if > > > > the > > > > > first two houses are unoccupied and the third house has a > planet > > > > which > > > > > will ascend the throne during the 3rd year in the varsh phal > > > > kundali, > > > > > then should we take that planet as the starting point? > > > > > > > > > > A question has already been raised as to which planet will be > > taken > > > > to > > > > > operate in daura for the initial two years. > > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, the procedure given for working out the 35 year > > cycle > > > > in > > > > > the file section of the group has been described as a > > > ‘maladroit’ > > > > > attempt. > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > H S Gill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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