Is the 12th house a roof of a house?

[Guest guest]

dear friend,

is there a difference in the effect of roof and or ceiling as par LK.

sincerely,

kiranjit

[Guest guest]

Respected Kalsi ji,

 

In the traditional Indian astrology houses 5th and 9th have a 45 kala

drishti or 75% drishti. Even the Lal Kitab acknowledges half the

drishti to these houses.

 

Regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " Shivdev Kalsi "

<shivdev.kalsi wrote:

>

> Dear Vipin Ji & Varun Ji,

>

> There is a confusion here. Pt Krishan Ashant in his book said that

if

> drishti path exists then and then only upaya is carried out. In

this very

> case Venus in 4 does not have drishti path to house no 12.therefore

i doubt

> that the roof is considered as 12. It should be house no 10.

>

> Pt. Krishan Ashant can not quote wrong in his book

>

> Regards

>

>

>

>

> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 6:03 PM, lalkitabee <lalkitabee wrote:

>

> > Res.Raheja Ji

> > In the chapter of SHUKKAR KHANA 4 u can read that - *AGAR KHUD

SHUKKAR

> > (aurat) KI HEE SEHAT BARBAAD HO TO TALAAB KI MITTI (CHIKADEE )

CHHAT PAR

> > LAGAAIN. *

> > Means the mud of a pond shud be pasted at roof.This remedy is

adviced

> > to make venus exalted U know that Mud is the ASHIA of SHUKKAR &

Shukkar is

> > called OONCH (exalted)in Khana 12th only. So OONCH (exalted)

SHUKKAR will

> > help to recover the health of wife.It indicates that by keeping

the mud on

> > the roof means that the intention of Pandit ji is to get Venus

established

> > in Khana no. 12 , Its place of exaltation

> > With Regards

> > Pt.Lalkitabee

> > V.Shukla

> > , " girish_raheja "

> > <girish_raheja@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Sirs,

> > >

> > > Does the Lal Kitab consider a roof as the 12th house of the

kundali? If

> > > so, could you please explain ?

> > >

> > > Sincerely,

> > >

> > > Girish Raheja

> > >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> Dr. Shiv Dev Kalsi,

> Jyotish Rishi (AIFAS)

> Consultant (Vedic Astrology)

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Varunji,

 

I think you had some confusion regarding traditional aspects, 5th ,9th

aspect is 50% (dwipad) and 4th,8th aspect is 75% (Tripad), 3rd, 10th

aspect is 25% (Ek pad) and 7th is 100% (chaturpad).

 

Source: Brhat Parashar Hora Shastra chapter 27 slokes 1-5. (Shri Sitaram

Jha commentary).

 

Best Wishes,

Vijay Goel

Jaipur.

[Guest guest]

Respected Vijay ji,

 

Thank you so much for your input. I will definitely cross check.

 

Regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, Vijay Goel <goyalvj

wrote:

>

> Dear Varunji,

>

> I think you had some confusion regarding traditional aspects,

5th ,9th

> aspect is 50% (dwipad) and 4th,8th aspect is 75% (Tripad), 3rd,

10th

> aspect is 25% (Ek pad) and 7th is 100% (chaturpad).

>

> Source: Brhat Parashar Hora Shastra chapter 27 slokes 1-5. (Shri

Sitaram

> Jha commentary).

>

> Best Wishes,

> Vijay Goel

> Jaipur.

>

[Guest guest]

Shukla jee,

Namaskar,

mein aapki har baat se sehmat hoon ki mitti shukar ki ashia hai, lekin agar shukar ki hee ashia khana no 12 mein sthapit karni hai to mitti hee kyon koi aur bhee to shukar ki ashia sthapit kee ja sakti hai. ABB AAP ISS BAAT KO DHAYAN SE SOCHE KI PT JEE NE SIRF TALAB KI HEE MITTI (CHIKADEE/CHIKAD) KYON LIKHI HAI .KYONKI ISSI SE AAPKO LAL KITAB KE BAKI DUSRE UPAY KE LOGIC SAMAJH AA JAYENGE

Abb ek swal aur paida hota hai ki agar mitti ko chhat par sthapit karne agar shukar khana no 12 mein sthapit hota hai to kisi aur grah ki ashia jal pravah karne se woh grah khana no 4 mein kyon nahi sthapit hota ya issi tarah ke dusre jo upay hain unn se woh grah kisi khas khana mein sthapit nahi hote.

HEMANT

, "lalkitabee" <lalkitabee wrote:>> Res.Raheja Ji> > In the chapter of SHUKKAR KHANA 4 u can read that - AGAR KHUD SHUKKAR> (aurat) KI HEE SEHAT BARBAAD HO TO TALAAB KI MITTI (CHIKADEE ) CHHAT PAR> LAGAAIN.> Means the mud of a pond shud be pasted at roof.This remedy is> adviced to make venus exalted U know that Mud is the ASHIA of SHUKKAR & > Shukkar is called OONCH (exalted)in Khana 12th only. So OONCH> (exalted)SHUKKAR will help to recover the health of wife.It indicates> that by keeping the mud on the roof means that the intention of Pandit> ji is to get Venus established in Khana no. 12 , Its place of exaltation> > With Regards> > Pt.Lalkitabee> > V.Shukla> > > > > > > , "girish_raheja"> girish_raheja@ wrote:> >> > Sirs,> >> > Does the Lal Kitab consider a roof as the 12th house of the kundali?> If> > so, could you please explain ?> >> > Sincerely,> >> > Girish Raheja> >>

[Guest guest]

Res. Mahajan JiThere is nothing to think more :Khana no. 12 main shukkar bhi mandaa ya jalim aur pagal ho saktaa hai lekin APNE OONCH GHAR MAIN TADAAGI ya talaabi SHUKKAR KABHI MANDA NAHI HO SAKTA. Regarding ur 2nd querry the clear formula "DUNIYAAVI HISAAB KITAB" has been used in lalkitab system & according to this DUNIYAAVI HISAB KITAB :- We shud take steps as below :1. dushman ki qaifiyat ke mutabik use pehley kuchh le-dekar manaane ki koshish.2. khud se na maane to uske dost ko beech main lakar manaane ki koshish.3. Fir bhi kaam na chaley to usse bhi taaqatvar ko saamne laane ki koshish ya khuda ka hawalaa dene ki koshish.4. Us se taqatwar koyee na ho aur bilkul paapi ya neech ke tarah khuda ko na maane to usse door rehney ko koshish.5. Fir bhi peechha na chhorey to fir poori taqat se takkar lene ya dene ki koshish. Is ke mutabik ab vo chahey kahin sthapit hoker ya dafan hokar ya khush hokar, ya haar kar ya haraakar kisi bhi tarikey se nek nateeza sabit ho sakey to aalim ko purjor koshish karni chahiye , baaki insaan ka apnaa Lekh aur Aqal.With RegardsPt. LalkitabeeV.Shukla , "heartzthief54" <heartzthief54 wrote:>> Shukla jee,> > Namaskar,> > mein aapki har baat se sehmat hoon ki mitti shukar ki ashia hai, lekin> agar shukar ki hee ashia khana no 12 mein sthapit karni hai to mitti hee> kyon koi aur bhee to shukar ki ashia sthapit kee ja sakti hai. ABB AAP> ISS BAAT KO DHAYAN SE SOCHE KI PT JEE NE SIRF TALAB KI HEE MITTI> (CHIKADEE/CHIKAD) KYON LIKHI HAI .> > Abb ek swal aur paida hota hai ki agar mitti ko chhat par sthapit karne> agar shukar khana no 12 mein sthapit hota hai to kisi aur grah ki ashia> jal pravah karne se woh grah khana no 4 mein kyon nahi sthapit hota ya> issi tarah ke dusre jo upay hain unn se woh grah kisi khas khana mein> sthapit nahi hote.> > MAHAJAN> > > , "lalkitabee"> lalkitabee@ wrote:> >> > Res.Raheja Ji> >> > In the chapter of SHUKKAR KHANA 4 u can read that - AGAR KHUD SHUKKAR> > (aurat) KI HEE SEHAT BARBAAD HO TO TALAAB KI MITTI (CHIKADEE ) CHHAT> PAR> > LAGAAIN.> > Means the mud of a pond shud be pasted at roof.This remedy is> > adviced to make venus exalted U know that Mud is the ASHIA of SHUKKAR> & > > Shukkar is called OONCH (exalted)in Khana 12th only. So OONCH> > (exalted)SHUKKAR will help to recover the health of wife.It indicates> > that by keeping the mud on the roof means that the intention of Pandit> > ji is to get Venus established in Khana no. 12 , Its place of> exaltation> >> > With Regards> >> > Pt.Lalkitabee> >> > V.Shukla> >> >> >> >> >> >> > , "girish_raheja"> > girish_raheja@ wrote:> > >> > > Sirs,> > >> > > Does the Lal Kitab consider a roof as the 12th house of the kundali?> > If> > > so, could you please explain ?> > >> > > Sincerely,> > >> > > Girish Raheja> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Vipin Shukla,

 

A very learned and commendable explanation indeed !

 

The way you have brought out the concept of ‘tadagi shukra’; and

summarized the upaya forms in a typical Lal Kitab language goes to

prove how closely you have internalized the spirit of the Lal Kitab.

 

May Ma Saraswati bless you always,

 

Bhooshan Priya

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " lalkitabee "

<lalkitabee wrote:

>

> Res. Mahajan Ji

> There is nothing to think more :

> Khana no. 12 main shukkar bhi mandaa ya jalim aur pagal ho saktaa

hai

> lekin APNE OONCH GHAR MAIN TADAAGI ya talaabi SHUKKAR KABHI MANDA

NAHI

> HO SAKTA.

> Regarding ur 2nd querry the clear formula " DUNIYAAVI HISAAB

KITAB " has

> been used in lalkitab system & according to this DUNIYAAVI HISAB

KITAB

> :- We shud take steps as below :

> 1. dushman ki qaifiyat ke mutabik use pehley kuchh le-dekar manaane

ki

> koshish.

> 2. khud se na maane to uske dost ko beech main lakar manaane ki

koshish.

> 3. Fir bhi kaam na chaley to usse bhi taaqatvar ko saamne laane ki

> koshish ya khuda ka hawalaa dene ki koshish.

> 4. Us se taqatwar koyee na ho aur bilkul paapi ya neech ke tarah

khuda

> ko na maane to usse door rehney ko koshish.

> 5. Fir bhi peechha na chhorey to fir poori taqat se takkar lene ya

dene

> ki koshish.

> Is ke mutabik ab vo chahey kahin sthapit hoker ya dafan hokar

ya

> khush hokar, ya haar kar ya haraakar kisi bhi tarikey se nek nateeza

> sabit ho sakey to aalim ko purjor koshish karni chahiye , baaki

insaan

> ka apnaa Lekh aur Aqal.

> With Regards

> Pt. Lalkitabee

> V.Shukla

>

> , " heartzthief54 "

> <heartzthief54@> wrote:

> >

> > Shukla jee,

> >

> > Namaskar,

> >

> > mein aapki har baat se sehmat hoon ki mitti shukar ki ashia hai,

lekin

> > agar shukar ki hee ashia khana no 12 mein sthapit karni hai to

mitti

> hee

> > kyon koi aur bhee to shukar ki ashia sthapit kee ja sakti hai.

ABB AAP

> > ISS BAAT KO DHAYAN SE SOCHE KI PT JEE NE SIRF TALAB KI HEE MITTI

> > (CHIKADEE/CHIKAD) KYON LIKHI HAI .

> >

> > Abb ek swal aur paida hota hai ki agar mitti ko chhat par sthapit

> karne

> > agar shukar khana no 12 mein sthapit hota hai to kisi aur grah ki

> ashia

> > jal pravah karne se woh grah khana no 4 mein kyon nahi sthapit

hota ya

> > issi tarah ke dusre jo upay hain unn se woh grah kisi khas khana

mein

> > sthapit nahi hote.

> >

> > MAHAJAN

> >

> >

> > , " lalkitabee "

> > lalkitabee@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Res.Raheja Ji

> > >

> > > In the chapter of SHUKKAR KHANA 4 u can read that - AGAR KHUD

> SHUKKAR

> > > (aurat) KI HEE SEHAT BARBAAD HO TO TALAAB KI MITTI (CHIKADEE )

CHHAT

> > PAR

> > > LAGAAIN.

> > > Means the mud of a pond shud be pasted at roof.This remedy is

> > > adviced to make venus exalted U know that Mud is the ASHIA of

> SHUKKAR

> > &

> > > Shukkar is called OONCH (exalted)in Khana 12th only. So OONCH

> > > (exalted)SHUKKAR will help to recover the health of wife.It

> indicates

> > > that by keeping the mud on the roof means that the intention of

> Pandit

> > > ji is to get Venus established in Khana no. 12 , Its place of

> > exaltation

> > >

> > > With Regards

> > >

> > > Pt.Lalkitabee

> > >

> > > V.Shukla

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " girish_raheja "

> > > girish_raheja@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Sirs,

> > > >

> > > > Does the Lal Kitab consider a roof as the 12th house of the

> kundali?

> > > If

> > > > so, could you please explain ?

> > > >

> > > > Sincerely,

> > > >

> > > > Girish Raheja

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Res. Guruvar

Pranam

Yah sab aap jaise aur Shree Rajinder Bhatia Ji jaise Bujurgon ka

ashirwaad hai.Varnaa mujh naacheez ki itni bisaat kahaan jo main kuchh

samajh paataa.

aapka darshanabhilashi

Ek akinchan

V.Shukla

 

 

 

, " "

< wrote:

>

> Dear Vipin Shukla,

>

> A very learned and commendable explanation indeed !

>

> The way you have brought out the concept of ‘tadagi shukra’; and

> summarized the upaya forms in a typical Lal Kitab language goes to

> prove how closely you have internalized the spirit of the Lal Kitab.

>

> May Ma Saraswati bless you always,

>

> Bhooshan Priya

>

>

>

>

, " lalkitabee "

> <lalkitabee@> wrote:

> >

> > Res. Mahajan Ji

> > There is nothing to think more :

> > Khana no. 12 main shukkar bhi mandaa ya jalim aur pagal ho saktaa

> hai

> > lekin APNE OONCH GHAR MAIN TADAAGI ya talaabi SHUKKAR KABHI MANDA

> NAHI

> > HO SAKTA.

> > Regarding ur 2nd querry the clear formula " DUNIYAAVI HISAAB

> KITAB " has

> > been used in lalkitab system & according to this DUNIYAAVI HISAB

> KITAB

> > :- We shud take steps as below :

> > 1. dushman ki qaifiyat ke mutabik use pehley kuchh le-dekar manaane

> ki

> > koshish.

> > 2. khud se na maane to uske dost ko beech main lakar manaane ki

> koshish.

> > 3. Fir bhi kaam na chaley to usse bhi taaqatvar ko saamne laane ki

> > koshish ya khuda ka hawalaa dene ki koshish.

> > 4. Us se taqatwar koyee na ho aur bilkul paapi ya neech ke tarah

> khuda

> > ko na maane to usse door rehney ko koshish.

> > 5. Fir bhi peechha na chhorey to fir poori taqat se takkar lene ya

> dene

> > ki koshish.

> > Is ke mutabik ab vo chahey kahin sthapit hoker ya dafan hokar

> ya

> > khush hokar, ya haar kar ya haraakar kisi bhi tarikey se nek nateeza

> > sabit ho sakey to aalim ko purjor koshish karni chahiye , baaki

> insaan

> > ka apnaa Lekh aur Aqal.

> > With Regards

> > Pt. Lalkitabee

> > V.Shukla

> >

> > , " heartzthief54 "

> > <heartzthief54@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Shukla jee,

> > >

> > > Namaskar,

> > >

> > > mein aapki har baat se sehmat hoon ki mitti shukar ki ashia hai,

> lekin

> > > agar shukar ki hee ashia khana no 12 mein sthapit karni hai to

> mitti

> > hee

> > > kyon koi aur bhee to shukar ki ashia sthapit kee ja sakti hai.

> ABB AAP

> > > ISS BAAT KO DHAYAN SE SOCHE KI PT JEE NE SIRF TALAB KI HEE MITTI

> > > (CHIKADEE/CHIKAD) KYON LIKHI HAI .

> > >

> > > Abb ek swal aur paida hota hai ki agar mitti ko chhat par sthapit

> > karne

> > > agar shukar khana no 12 mein sthapit hota hai to kisi aur grah ki

> > ashia

> > > jal pravah karne se woh grah khana no 4 mein kyon nahi sthapit

> hota ya

> > > issi tarah ke dusre jo upay hain unn se woh grah kisi khas khana

> mein

> > > sthapit nahi hote.

> > >

> > > MAHAJAN

> > >

> > >

> > > , " lalkitabee "

> > > lalkitabee@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Res.Raheja Ji

> > > >

> > > > In the chapter of SHUKKAR KHANA 4 u can read that - AGAR KHUD

> > SHUKKAR

> > > > (aurat) KI HEE SEHAT BARBAAD HO TO TALAAB KI MITTI (CHIKADEE )

> CHHAT

> > > PAR

> > > > LAGAAIN.

> > > > Means the mud of a pond shud be pasted at roof.This remedy is

> > > > adviced to make venus exalted U know that Mud is the ASHIA of

> > SHUKKAR

> > > &

> > > > Shukkar is called OONCH (exalted)in Khana 12th only. So OONCH

> > > > (exalted)SHUKKAR will help to recover the health of wife.It

> > indicates

> > > > that by keeping the mud on the roof means that the intention of

> > Pandit

> > > > ji is to get Venus established in Khana no. 12 , Its place of

> > > exaltation

> > > >

> > > > With Regards

> > > >

> > > > Pt.Lalkitabee

> > > >

> > > > V.Shukla

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " girish_raheja "

> > > > girish_raheja@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Sirs,

> > > > >

> > > > > Does the Lal Kitab consider a roof as the 12th house of the

> > kundali?

> > > > If

> > > > > so, could you please explain ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Sincerely,

> > > > >

> > > > > Girish Raheja

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Bur Priyaji, LK1952 venus no.4 men likha hai 'makan ki chhat ki umda halat", taalab ki mitti ka mention nahin hai.

Kripya elaborate karenge.

sincerely,

kiranjit

[Guest guest]

Respected Doctor Saheb,

 

For venus in the 4th house :

 

Page 97 line # 4; 1941 urdu ed :

 

‘ dariya ki hai vo daldal, talab ki voh chikdee’

 

Page 98 line # 5-6 ; 1941 urdu ed :

 

‘ to chhat par talab ki mitti se umda haal ho’

 

Page 150 , line # 11 ; 1942 urdu ed

 

‘ to chhat par talab ki mitti [ chikadee] se umda hal ho’

 

Yes, the 1952 urdu edition says, ‘ makan ki chhat ki umda halat aurat ki sehat mein madad hogi’.

 

To our mind it means the same in the sense that talab ki chikani mitti on the roof will keep the roof in good shape. In the villages the kachcha houses had kachchi roof which used to be repaired every year before the rains with the help of chikani mitti from the village talab.

 

With great regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

, kiranjit kumar <kapatjal wrote:>> But Priyaji,� LK1952 venus no.4 men� likha hai� 'makan ki chhat ki umda halat", taalab ki mitti ka mention nahin hai.> Kripya elaborate karenge.> sincerely,> kiranjit�>