Guest guest Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 Sir For this combination the lalkitab says that such a person will keep collecting money which will be utilized by others if in the 4th house; he might have two wives of low character. With venus in the 4th it is quite understandable that such a person could have two wives, but how come a person might die such that he has no issue of his own in spite of two wives? How does this combination affect the progeny? And how come his wives might be of low character? Sincerely, Narendra Juneja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2008 Report Share Posted December 15, 2008 Respected Juneja ji, The presence of the Sun in the 4th house makes a native accumulate wealth, the native himself will lead a very frugal life. His wealth will be enjoyed by his progeny ‘ aur uske nam leva uski al-aulad karorpati hoven [ page 325, urdu ed 1952]’. Therefore, the native will accumulate wealth is explained. In order to understand that in spite of his two wives he will have no son to enjoy this wealth we will have to understand the masnuyee components of this combination. Sun and mercury will form Mars and venus and Saturn will form Ketu. In this battle of a sher and kutta [ lion and a dog ], it is obvious that the dog will be vanquished, ketu will get adversely affected; hence a possibility of no heir. As for the low character of the wives, when the venus is under the adverse influence of the sun it could be quite possible. Regards, Varun Trivedi , " junejanarendra " <junejanarendra wrote: > > Sir > > For this combination the lalkitab says that such a person will keep > collecting money which will be utilized by others if in the 4th house; > he might have two wives of low character. > With venus in the 4th it is quite understandable that such a person > could have two wives, but how come a person might die such that he has > no issue of his own in spite of two wives? How does this combination > affect the progeny? And how come his wives might be of low character? > > Sincerely, > > Narendra Juneja > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 Respected Varun ji, Thank you for explaining it so well. With great respect, Narendra Juneja , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > Respected Juneja ji, > > The presence of the Sun in the 4th house makes a native accumulate > wealth, the native himself will lead a very frugal life. His wealth > will be enjoyed by his progeny ‘ aur uske nam leva uski al-aulad > karorpati hoven [ page 325, urdu ed 1952]’. Therefore, the native > will accumulate wealth is explained. > In order to understand that in spite of his two wives he will have no > son to enjoy this wealth we will have to understand the masnuyee > components of this combination. Sun and mercury will form Mars and > venus and Saturn will form Ketu. In this battle of a sher and kutta [ > lion and a dog ], it is obvious that the dog will be vanquished, ketu > will get adversely affected; hence a possibility of no heir. > As for the low character of the wives, when the venus is under the > adverse influence of the sun it could be quite possible. > > Regards, > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > , " junejanarendra " > <junejanarendra@> wrote: > > > > Sir > > > > For this combination the lalkitab says that such a person will keep > > collecting money which will be utilized by others if in the 4th > house; > > he might have two wives of low character. > > With venus in the 4th it is quite understandable that such a person > > could have two wives, but how come a person might die such that he > has > > no issue of his own in spite of two wives? How does this > combination > > affect the progeny? And how come his wives might be of low > character? > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Narendra Juneja > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 Dear Varun ji, It is very well taken that in order to understand the results of a combination of planets, one has to take the help of masnuyee planet formations. Could you please explain as to what precautions should be kept in mind while working out the masnuyee forms? Regards, HS Gill , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > Respected Juneja ji, > > The presence of the Sun in the 4th house makes a native accumulate > wealth, the native himself will lead a very frugal life. His wealth > will be enjoyed by his progeny ‘ aur uske nam leva uski al-aulad > karorpati hoven [ page 325, urdu ed 1952]’. Therefore, the native > will accumulate wealth is explained. > In order to understand that in spite of his two wives he will have no > son to enjoy this wealth we will have to understand the masnuyee > components of this combination. Sun and mercury will form Mars and > venus and Saturn will form Ketu. In this battle of a sher and kutta [ > lion and a dog ], it is obvious that the dog will be vanquished, ketu > will get adversely affected; hence a possibility of no heir. > As for the low character of the wives, when the venus is under the > adverse influence of the sun it could be quite possible. > > Regards, > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > , " junejanarendra " > <junejanarendra@> wrote: > > > > Sir > > > > For this combination the lalkitab says that such a person will keep > > collecting money which will be utilized by others if in the 4th > house; > > he might have two wives of low character. > > With venus in the 4th it is quite understandable that such a person > > could have two wives, but how come a person might die such that he > has > > no issue of his own in spite of two wives? How does this > combination > > affect the progeny? And how come his wives might be of low > character? > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Narendra Juneja > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2008 Report Share Posted December 16, 2008 Respected Gill saheb, The concept of Masnuyee planets is very important to understand the results of various combinations and devising upaya. But there are two things one should remember. One that the combination, in it’s original form, will continue to give results as such; and secondly, over and above its natural results, it will also give results of a resultant masnuyee form. Therefore the results of the masnuyee forms are along side with the results of the original combination. Most of the time, it becomes difficult to pin point as to which planet/s are acting malefic in a combination of three or more planets. It is in such situations that one has to look up the Masnuyee forms also. For all you know it might be one of the Masnuyee manifest which might be acting malefic. This exercise helps a great deal in devising upaya In combination of three or more planets the masnuyee planets will be formed on the principle of proximity. The planets close to each other will form the Masnuyee planet. For example if there are three planets together say the sun, mercury and the venus then if sun and mercury are close together in terms of longitudinal proximity then the combination might also give results of shubh mars + venus; on the other hand if the sun and the venus are close together and mercury is further away then the same combination of three planets might act as Jupiter + mercury also. A few other things to remember are that a Masnuyee planet will not join an original [ non-masnuyee] planet to form another Masnuyee. Similarly two masnuyee planets will not form yet another masnuyee planet. It is some thing like a planet which has already been made into a scapegoat can not further pass down its troubles to its scapegoat. Regards, Varun Trivedi , " gill_hs2005 " <gill_hs2005 wrote: > > Dear Varun ji, > > It is very well taken that in order to understand the results of a > combination of planets, one has to take the help of masnuyee planet > formations. Could you please explain as to what precautions should be > kept in mind while working out the masnuyee forms? > > Regards, > > HS Gill > > > , " varun_trvd " > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > Respected Juneja ji, > > > > The presence of the Sun in the 4th house makes a native accumulate > > wealth, the native himself will lead a very frugal life. His wealth > > will be enjoyed by his progeny ‘ aur uske nam leva uski al-aulad > > karorpati hoven [ page 325, urdu ed 1952]’. Therefore, the native > > will accumulate wealth is explained. > > In order to understand that in spite of his two wives he will have > no > > son to enjoy this wealth we will have to understand the masnuyee > > components of this combination. Sun and mercury will form Mars and > > venus and Saturn will form Ketu. In this battle of a sher and kutta > [ > > lion and a dog ], it is obvious that the dog will be vanquished, > ketu > > will get adversely affected; hence a possibility of no heir. > > As for the low character of the wives, when the venus is under the > > adverse influence of the sun it could be quite possible. > > > > Regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " junejanarendra " > > <junejanarendra@> wrote: > > > > > > Sir > > > > > > For this combination the lalkitab says that such a person will > keep > > > collecting money which will be utilized by others if in the 4th > > house; > > > he might have two wives of low character. > > > With venus in the 4th it is quite understandable that such a > person > > > could have two wives, but how come a person might die such that > he > > has > > > no issue of his own in spite of two wives? How does this > > combination > > > affect the progeny? And how come his wives might be of low > > character? > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > Narendra Juneja > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2008 Report Share Posted December 17, 2008 Dear Varun ji, Thanks for explaning the precautions while working out the masnuyee planets. Sincerely, HS Gill , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > Respected Gill saheb, > > The concept of Masnuyee planets is very important to understand the > results of various combinations and devising upaya. But there are two > things one should remember. One that the combination, in it’s > original form, will continue to give results as such; and secondly, > over and above its natural results, it will also give results of a > resultant masnuyee form. Therefore the results of the masnuyee forms > are along side with the results of the original combination. > > Most of the time, it becomes difficult to pin point as to which > planet/s are acting malefic in a combination of three or more > planets. It is in such situations that one has to look up the > Masnuyee forms also. For all you know it might be one of the Masnuyee > manifest which might be acting malefic. This exercise helps a great > deal in devising upaya > > In combination of three or more planets the masnuyee planets will be > formed on the principle of proximity. The planets close to each other > will form the Masnuyee planet. For example if there are three planets > together say the sun, mercury and the venus then if sun and mercury > are close together in terms of longitudinal proximity then the > combination might also give results of shubh mars + venus; on the > other hand if the sun and the venus are close together and mercury is > further away then the same combination of three planets might act as > Jupiter + mercury also. > > A few other things to remember are that a Masnuyee planet will not > join an original [ non-masnuyee] planet to form another Masnuyee. > Similarly two masnuyee planets will not form yet another masnuyee > planet. It is some thing like a planet which has already been made > into a scapegoat can not further pass down its troubles to its > scapegoat. > > Regards, > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > , " gill_hs2005 " > <gill_hs2005@> wrote: > > > > Dear Varun ji, > > > > It is very well taken that in order to understand the results of a > > combination of planets, one has to take the help of masnuyee planet > > formations. Could you please explain as to what precautions should > be > > kept in mind while working out the masnuyee forms? > > > > Regards, > > > > HS Gill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " varun_trvd " > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Juneja ji, > > > > > > The presence of the Sun in the 4th house makes a native > accumulate > > > wealth, the native himself will lead a very frugal life. His > wealth > > > will be enjoyed by his progeny ‘ aur uske nam leva uski al- aulad > > > karorpati hoven [ page 325, urdu ed 1952]’. Therefore, the native > > > will accumulate wealth is explained. > > > In order to understand that in spite of his two wives he will > have > > no > > > son to enjoy this wealth we will have to understand the masnuyee > > > components of this combination. Sun and mercury will form Mars > and > > > venus and Saturn will form Ketu. In this battle of a sher and > kutta > > [ > > > lion and a dog ], it is obvious that the dog will be vanquished, > > ketu > > > will get adversely affected; hence a possibility of no heir. > > > As for the low character of the wives, when the venus is under > the > > > adverse influence of the sun it could be quite possible. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " junejanarendra " > > > <junejanarendra@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Sir > > > > > > > > For this combination the lalkitab says that such a person will > > keep > > > > collecting money which will be utilized by others if in the 4th > > > house; > > > > he might have two wives of low character. > > > > With venus in the 4th it is quite understandable that such a > > person > > > > could have two wives, but how come a person might die such that > > he > > > has > > > > no issue of his own in spite of two wives? How does this > > > combination > > > > affect the progeny? And how come his wives might be of low > > > character? > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > Narendra Juneja > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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