Guest guest Posted January 5, 2009 Report Share Posted January 5, 2009 Sir, Throwing a copper coin or a flower into a ganda nala for 43 days is a well known remedy for venus in the 8th house. But I have seen some astrologers suggesting a different remedy also. They suggest that a black cow be fed 8 atte ke pede on a Sunday. If so, what could be the logic of this upaya ? with respect Girish Raheja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 Respected Raheja ji, Yes, you are right throwing a copper coin or a flower in a ganda nala is one of the upaya suggested for Venus placed in the 8th house. The 8th house signifies a ganda nala where throwing a copper coin [sun] or a flower [mercury] will help it : ‘rahu ke gande naale se hi madad payega jis mein tamba [ sooraj] ya phool [budh] ka dalana mubarik hoga [ page 155, 1942 urdu ed ] The Lal Kitab suggests: gau sewa ya daan se sab kuchh ummda ho [ page 155,1942ed]. Feeding a cow is gau sewa. Moreover it is difficult to find an open sewage drain in big cities to throw a flower in. Copper coins are a rare commodity any way. Therefore feeding a cow with aate ke pede [flour balls] is a very convenient upaya. In the upaya you have talked about, aate ka peda [ wheat flour balls ] also signify the sun , Sunday the day suggested also belongs to the sun; the number 8 signifies the 8th house. But these pede [flour balls] should be fed to a black coloured cow. A venus placed in the darkness of the house of death [ 8th house] becomes a syaah [dark] cow. Here by offering the karak objects of the Sun [ flour balls] to the karak object of Venus in the 8th house [ a dark cow] , the effort seems to be to add luster and shine to Venus, which the Venus would have lost by being in the house of death. Regards, Varun Trivedi , " girish_raheja " <girish_raheja wrote: > > Sir, > > Throwing a copper coin or a flower into a ganda nala for 43 days is a > well known remedy for venus in the 8th house. But I have seen some > astrologers suggesting a different remedy also. They suggest that a > black cow be fed 8 atte ke pede on a Sunday. If so, what could be the > logic of this upaya ? > with respect > Girish Raheja > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 Respected Dr Kursija ji, Neither I in my reply nor the book, suggests that the Sun signifies the 8th house. The book does suggest throwing Tamba in ganda nala. While mentioning Tamba the book itself has clarified it to signify the sun. As you have mentioned that a copper wire too might serve the purpose, I have to add that a copper coin signifies the sun in more than one form. It is made of copper signifying the sun ; it is round in the shape of the sun; and bears a State emblem signifying authority or Rajyadhikar; in other words royalty. Therefore a copper coin would represent the Sun far more closely than a copper wire. You have also suggested that a karak object of Venus can be offered at a temple. Yes, it can be. But a karak object of a planet is offered at a temple to make the planet swear in the presence of God that it will behave and not act malefic or belligerent. But to our mind the upaya suggested of throwing copper coin or a flower [ mercury ] appears to be an exercise in strengthening the Venus, which in my reply I had explained as restoring the shine and the luster of the Venus which seems to have been affected by its being in the 8th house. With regards and respect, Varun Trivedi , " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija wrote: > > Respected Varun ji, > " you are right throwing a copper coin or a flower in a ganda nala > is one of the upaya suggested for Venus placed in the 8th house. The > 8th house signifies a ganda nala where throwing a copper coin [sun] or > a flower [mercury] will help it : ‘rahu ke gande naale se hi madad > payega jis mein tamba [ sooraj] ya phool [budh] ka dalana mubarik hoga > [ page 155, 1942 urdu ed ] " > � > My query is that " tamba " copper is the metal for Sun and Mars. Why Sun is taken as significator of 8th house. The 8th house of kalapurasha is Scorpio i.e.Mars So the upaya should be done for Mars , not for Sun. More over 8th house is " marghat " " shamshan ghat " > or cementery where fire is present i.e. Mars. We burn the dead body in the shamshan ghat. Similarly we throw away�refuse of our body away from the locality. So ganda nala again represents� So its appropriate to throw in the nala. > My question is why only copper coin? It should be copper metal. It can be in any shape.�such as�copper wire which is easily avalavle in cities. > � > The flower is is indicated by Mercury as well as Venus particularly white flower, blue frwers for Rahu. One can visit temle or any place of worship for Venus in 8th or give " Jimikandha " in place of worship for Venus in 8th. > These are my views If I am wrong please correct me. > > > --- On Wed, 1/7/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd > LK discussion group Re: Venus in the 8th house > > Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 10:08 AM Respected Raheja ji, > > Yes, you are right throwing a copper coin or a flower in a ganda nala > is one of the upaya suggested for Venus placed in the 8th house. The > 8th house signifies a ganda nala where throwing a copper coin [sun] or > a flower [mercury] will help it : ‘rahu ke gande naale se hi madad > payega jis mein tamba [ sooraj] ya phool [budh] ka dalana mubarik hoga > [ page 155, 1942 urdu ed ] > > The Lal Kitab suggests: gau sewa ya daan se sab kuchh ummda ho [ page > 155,1942ed]. Feeding a cow is gau sewa. Moreover it is difficult to > find an open sewage drain in big cities to throw a flower in. Copper > coins are a rare commodity any way. Therefore feeding a cow with aate > ke pede [flour balls] is a very convenient upaya. > > In the upaya you have talked about, aate ka peda [ wheat flour balls ] > also signify the sun , Sunday the day suggested also belongs to the > sun; the number 8 signifies the 8th house. But these pede [flour > balls] should be fed to a black coloured cow. A venus placed in the > darkness of the house of death [ 8th house] becomes a syaah [dark] > cow. Here by offering the karak objects of the Sun [ flour balls] to > the karak object of Venus in the 8th house [ a dark cow] , the effort > seems to be to add luster and shine to Venus, which the Venus would > have lost by being in the house of death. > > Regards, > > Varun Trivedi > > , " girish_raheja " > <girish_raheja@ ...> wrote: > > > > Sir, > > > > Throwing a copper coin or a flower into a ganda nala for 43 days is a > > well known remedy for venus in the 8th house. But I have seen some > > astrologers suggesting a different remedy also. They suggest that a > > black cow be fed 8 atte ke pede on a Sunday. If so, what could be the > > logic of this upaya ? > > with respect > > Girish Raheja > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 Respected Dr. Kursija ji, We couldn’t have agreed more when you said: “We should see the logic behind the upaya not insist on what is written in the book.â€. We as a group have been consistent in our approach that before devising an upaya we should look into the logic of it. If you had gone through the articles stored in the file section you will realize that we have been searching for rationale behind every word said in the book. Now let us understand the rationale behind the upaya of throwing copper into a ganda nala. Firstly the upaya is aimed at the ganda nala of Rahu because the Book says “ rahu ke gande nale se hi madad payega’. Since the upaya is aimed at the 8th house represented by ganda nala of Rahu and not aimed at the 8th house in general, the role of Mars as a significator of the 8th house doesn’t come into play. Secondly, copper has been used signifying the Sun and not the Mars. The Book makes it absolutely clear by mentioning the word ‘sun’ in bracket after the word tamba. To our mind the karak of the sun has been used to eliminate the dhuan of Rahu because in another context of the venus and the sun the Book says : madad nar grah sab se uttam, chamak ravi khud deta ho rahu dhuan jab teve hatataa, lekh shukra sab barhta ho It was in this context I had said that the sun will help eradicating the dhuan of rahu so that the Venus, placed in the 8th house, regains its luster and brightness. Finally we definitely agree with you, and have said so in my reply, that copper coins are a rarity and we need to find other alternatives keeping in mind the contemporary conditions. With regards and respect, Varun Trivedi , "S.C. Kursija" <sckursija wrote:>> Respected Varun Trivedi ji,> I intend to say that Mars is the significator of 8th house as �8th sign of Kalaprusha is Bhirshich whose lord s Mars. So we should do the upaya of Mars not of Sun. Why we should throw Sun in ganda nala? So it is my personal views that when the book was writen copper coins were readily available in the market. The time has changed and copper coins are a rare item.So we should not iinsist on copper coin and do the upaya of Mars. We should see the logic behind the upaya not insist on what is writen in the book.> Regards> > --- On Thu, 1/8/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd wrote:> > varun_trvd varun_trvd LK discussion group Re: Venus in the 8th house> > Thursday, January 8, 2009, 9:21 AM> > > > > > > Respected Dr Kursija ji,> > Neither I in my reply nor the book, suggests that the Sun signifies > the 8th house. The book does suggest throwing Tamba in ganda nala. > While mentioning Tamba the book itself has clarified it to signify > the sun.> > As you have mentioned that a copper wire too might serve the purpose, > I have to add that a copper coin signifies the sun in more than one > form. It is made of copper signifying the sun ; it is round in the > shape of the sun; and bears a State emblem signifying authority or > Rajyadhikar; in other words royalty. Therefore a copper coin would > represent the Sun far more closely than a copper wire.> > You have also suggested that a karak object of Venus can be offered > at a temple. Yes, it can be. But a karak object of a planet is > offered at a temple to make the planet swear in the presence of God > that it will behave and not act malefic or belligerent. But to our > mind the upaya suggested of throwing copper coin or a flower [ > mercury ] appears to be an exercise in strengthening the Venus, which > in my reply I had explained as restoring the shine and the luster of > the Venus which seems to have been affected by its being in the 8th > house. > > With regards and respect,> > Varun Trivedi> > , "S.C. Kursija" > sckursija@ ..> wrote:> >> > Respected Varun ji,> > "you are right throwing a copper coin or a flower in a ganda nala > > is one of the upaya suggested for Venus placed in the 8th house. > The > > 8th house signifies a ganda nala where throwing a copper coin [sun] > or > > a flower [mercury] will help it : ‘rahu ke gande naale se hi madad > > payega jis mein tamba [ sooraj] ya phool [budh] ka dalana mubarik > hoga > > [ page 155, 1942 urdu ed ]"> > �> > My query is that "tamba" copper is the metal for Sun and Mars. Why > Sun is taken as significator of 8th house. The 8th house of > kalapurasha is Scorpio i.e.Mars So the upaya should be done for > Mars , not for Sun. More over 8th house is "marghatshamshan ghat"> > or cementery where fire is present i.e. Mars. We burn the dead body > in the shamshan ghat. Similarly we throw away�refuse of our body > away from the locality. So ganda nala again represents� So its > appropriate to throw in the nala.> > My question is why only copper coin? It should be copper metal. It > can be in any shape.�such as�copper wire which is easily avalavle in > cities.> > �> > The flower is is indicated by Mercury as well as Venus particularly > white flower, blue frwers for Rahu. One can visit temle or any place > of worship for Venus in 8th or give "Jimikandha" in place of worship > for Venus in 8th.> > These are my views If I am wrong please correct me.> > > > > > --- On Wed, 1/7/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> wrote:> > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...>> > LK discussion group Re: Venus in the 8th house> > > > Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 10:08 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Raheja ji,> > > > Yes, you are right throwing a copper coin or a flower in a ganda > nala > > is one of the upaya suggested for Venus placed in the 8th house. > The > > 8th house signifies a ganda nala where throwing a copper coin [sun] > or > > a flower [mercury] will help it : ‘rahu ke gande naale se hi madad > > payega jis mein tamba [ sooraj] ya phool [budh] ka dalana mubarik > hoga > > [ page 155, 1942 urdu ed ]> > > > The Lal Kitab suggests: gau sewa ya daan se sab kuchh ummda ho [ > page > > 155,1942ed]. Feeding a cow is gau sewa. Moreover it is difficult to > > find an open sewage drain in big cities to throw a flower in. > Copper > > coins are a rare commodity any way. Therefore feeding a cow with > aate > > ke pede [flour balls] is a very convenient upaya.> > > > In the upaya you have talked about, aate ka peda [ wheat flour > balls ] > > also signify the sun , Sunday the day suggested also belongs to the > > sun; the number 8 signifies the 8th house. But these pede [flour > > balls] should be fed to a black coloured cow. A venus placed in the > > darkness of the house of death [ 8th house] becomes a syaah [dark] > > cow. Here by offering the karak objects of the Sun [ flour balls] > to > > the karak object of Venus in the 8th house [ a dark cow] , the > effort > > seems to be to add luster and shine to Venus, which the Venus would > > have lost by being in the house of death.> > > > Regards,> > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > , "girish_raheja" > > <girish_raheja@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Sir,> > > > > > Throwing a copper coin or a flower into a ganda nala for 43 days > is a > > > well known remedy for venus in the 8th house. But I have seen > some > > > astrologers suggesting a different remedy also. They suggest that > a > > > black cow be fed 8 atte ke pede on a Sunday. If so, what could be > the > > > logic of this upaya ?> > > with respect> > > Girish Raheja> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Varun Jee, kya iske liye masnuyee grah nahi dekh sakte. shukar kin do grah se banta hai aur kaun sa grah zyada bura asar de raha hai khana no 8 mein . Mahajan , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > > Respected Dr. Kursija ji, > > > > We couldn’t have agreed more when you said: > > > > “We should see the logic behind the upaya not insist on what is > written in the book.â€. > > > > We as a group have been consistent in our approach that before devising > an upaya we should look into the logic of it. If you had gone through > the articles stored in the file section you will realize that we have > been searching for rationale behind every word said in the book. > > > > Now let us understand the rationale behind the upaya of throwing copper > into a ganda nala. > > > > Firstly the upaya is aimed at the ganda nala of Rahu because the Book > says “ rahu ke gande nale se hi madad payega’. Since the > upaya is aimed at the 8th house represented by ganda nala of Rahu and > not aimed at the 8th house in general, the role of Mars as a > significator of the 8th house doesn’t come into play. > > > > Secondly, copper has been used signifying the Sun and not the Mars. The > Book makes it absolutely clear by mentioning the word > ‘sun’ in bracket after the word tamba. > > > > To our mind the karak of the sun has been used to eliminate the dhuan of > Rahu because in another context of the venus and the sun the Book says : > > > > madad nar grah sab se uttam, chamak ravi khud deta ho > > rahu dhuan jab teve hatataa, lekh shukra sab barhta ho > > > > It was in this context I had said that the sun will help eradicating the > dhuan of rahu so that the Venus, placed in the 8th house, regains its > luster and brightness. > > > > Finally we definitely agree with you, and have said so in my reply, that > copper coins are a rarity and we need to find other alternatives keeping > in mind the contemporary conditions. > > > > With regards and respect, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > , " S.C. Kursija " > <sckursija@> wrote: > > > > Respected Varun Trivedi ji, > > I intend to say that Mars is the significator of 8th house as > �8th sign of Kalaprusha is Bhirshich whose lord s Mars. So we > should do the upaya of Mars not of Sun. Why we should throw Sun in ganda > nala? So it is my personal views that when the book was writen copper > coins were readily available in the market. The time has changed and > copper coins are a rare item.So we should not iinsist on copper coin and > do the upaya of Mars. We should see the logic behind the upaya not > insist on what is writen in the book. > > Regards > > > > --- On Thu, 1/8/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote: > > > > varun_trvd varun_trvd@ > > LK discussion group Re: Venus in the 8th house > > > > Thursday, January 8, 2009, 9:21 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Dr Kursija ji, > > > > Neither I in my reply nor the book, suggests that the Sun signifies > > the 8th house. The book does suggest throwing Tamba in ganda nala. > > While mentioning Tamba the book itself has clarified it to signify > > the sun. > > > > As you have mentioned that a copper wire too might serve the purpose, > > I have to add that a copper coin signifies the sun in more than one > > form. It is made of copper signifying the sun ; it is round in the > > shape of the sun; and bears a State emblem signifying authority or > > Rajyadhikar; in other words royalty. Therefore a copper coin would > > represent the Sun far more closely than a copper wire. > > > > You have also suggested that a karak object of Venus can be offered > > at a temple. Yes, it can be. But a karak object of a planet is > > offered at a temple to make the planet swear in the presence of God > > that it will behave and not act malefic or belligerent. But to our > > mind the upaya suggested of throwing copper coin or a flower [ > > mercury ] appears to be an exercise in strengthening the Venus, which > > in my reply I had explained as restoring the shine and the luster of > > the Venus which seems to have been affected by its being in the 8th > > house. > > > > With regards and respect, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > , " S.C. Kursija " > > sckursija@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Varun ji, > > > " you are right throwing a copper coin or a flower in a ganda nala > > > is one of the upaya suggested for Venus placed in the 8th house. > > The > > > 8th house signifies a ganda nala where throwing a copper coin [sun] > > or > > > a flower [mercury] will help it : ‘rahu ke gande naale se hi > madad > > > payega jis mein tamba [ sooraj] ya phool [budh] ka dalana mubarik > > hoga > > > [ page 155, 1942 urdu ed ] " > > > � > > > My query is that " tamba " copper is the metal for Sun and Mars. Why > > Sun is taken as significator of 8th house. The 8th house of > > kalapurasha is Scorpio i.e.Mars So the upaya should be done for > > Mars , not for Sun. More over 8th house is " marghat " " shamshan ghat " > > > or cementery where fire is present i.e. Mars. We burn the dead body > > in the shamshan ghat. Similarly we throw away�refuse of our body > > away from the locality. So ganda nala again represents� So its > > appropriate to throw in the nala. > > > My question is why only copper coin? It should be copper metal. It > > can be in any shape.�such as�copper wire which is easily > avalavle in > > cities. > > > � > > > The flower is is indicated by Mercury as well as Venus particularly > > white flower, blue frwers for Rahu. One can visit temle or any place > > of worship for Venus in 8th or give " Jimikandha " in place of worship > > for Venus in 8th. > > > These are my views If I am wrong please correct me. > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 1/7/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> > > > LK discussion group Re: Venus in the 8th house > > > > > > Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 10:08 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Raheja ji, > > > > > > Yes, you are right throwing a copper coin or a flower in a ganda > > nala > > > is one of the upaya suggested for Venus placed in the 8th house. > > The > > > 8th house signifies a ganda nala where throwing a copper coin [sun] > > or > > > a flower [mercury] will help it : ‘rahu ke gande naale se hi > madad > > > payega jis mein tamba [ sooraj] ya phool [budh] ka dalana mubarik > > hoga > > > [ page 155, 1942 urdu ed ] > > > > > > The Lal Kitab suggests: gau sewa ya daan se sab kuchh ummda ho [ > > page > > > 155,1942ed]. Feeding a cow is gau sewa. Moreover it is difficult to > > > find an open sewage drain in big cities to throw a flower in. > > Copper > > > coins are a rare commodity any way. Therefore feeding a cow with > > aate > > > ke pede [flour balls] is a very convenient upaya. > > > > > > In the upaya you have talked about, aate ka peda [ wheat flour > > balls ] > > > also signify the sun , Sunday the day suggested also belongs to the > > > sun; the number 8 signifies the 8th house. But these pede [flour > > > balls] should be fed to a black coloured cow. A venus placed in the > > > darkness of the house of death [ 8th house] becomes a syaah [dark] > > > cow. Here by offering the karak objects of the Sun [ flour balls] > > to > > > the karak object of Venus in the 8th house [ a dark cow] , the > > effort > > > seems to be to add luster and shine to Venus, which the Venus would > > > have lost by being in the house of death. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > , " girish_raheja " > > > <girish_raheja@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > Throwing a copper coin or a flower into a ganda nala for 43 days > > is a > > > > well known remedy for venus in the 8th house. But I have seen > > some > > > > astrologers suggesting a different remedy also. They suggest that > > a > > > > black cow be fed 8 atte ke pede on a Sunday. If so, what could be > > the > > > > logic of this upaya ? > > > > with respect > > > > Girish Raheja > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Respected Mahajan ji, An excellent insight indeed. Thank you for bringing to the notice the interpretation based on the masnuyee component. Yes you are absolutely right that the rahu component of venus placed in the rahu ka ganda nala would get strengthened and cloud the venus in smoke. Thank you once again for a brilliant contribution. Regards, Varun Trivedi , " heartzthief54 " <heartzthief54 wrote: > > Varun Jee, > > kya iske liye masnuyee grah nahi dekh sakte. shukar kin do grah se > banta hai aur kaun sa grah zyada bura asar de raha hai khana no 8 > mein . > > Mahajan > > > > , " varun_trvd " > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Dr. Kursija ji, > > > > > > > > We couldn’t have agreed more when you said: > > > > > > > > “We should see the logic behind the upaya not insist on what is > > written in the book.â€. > > > > > > > > We as a group have been consistent in our approach that before > devising > > an upaya we should look into the logic of it. If you had gone > through > > the articles stored in the file section you will realize that we > have > > been searching for rationale behind every word said in the book. > > > > > > > > Now let us understand the rationale behind the upaya of throwing > copper > > into a ganda nala. > > > > > > > > Firstly the upaya is aimed at the ganda nala of Rahu because the > Book > > says “ rahu ke gande nale se hi madad payega’. Since the > > upaya is aimed at the 8th house represented by ganda nala of Rahu > and > > not aimed at the 8th house in general, the role of Mars as a > > significator of the 8th house doesn’t come into play. > > > > > > > > Secondly, copper has been used signifying the Sun and not the > Mars. The > > Book makes it absolutely clear by mentioning the word > > ‘sun’ in bracket after the word tamba. > > > > > > > > To our mind the karak of the sun has been used to eliminate the > dhuan of > > Rahu because in another context of the venus and the sun the Book > says : > > > > > > > > madad nar grah sab se uttam, chamak ravi khud deta ho > > > > rahu dhuan jab teve hatataa, lekh shukra sab barhta ho > > > > > > > > It was in this context I had said that the sun will help > eradicating the > > dhuan of rahu so that the Venus, placed in the 8th house, regains > its > > luster and brightness. > > > > > > > > Finally we definitely agree with you, and have said so in my > reply, that > > copper coins are a rarity and we need to find other alternatives > keeping > > in mind the contemporary conditions. > > > > > > > > With regards and respect, > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " S.C. Kursija " > > <sckursija@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Varun Trivedi ji, > > > I intend to say that Mars is the significator of 8th house as > > �8th sign of Kalaprusha is Bhirshich whose lord s Mars. So we > > should do the upaya of Mars not of Sun. Why we should throw Sun in > ganda > > nala? So it is my personal views that when the book was writen > copper > > coins were readily available in the market. The time has changed > and > > copper coins are a rare item.So we should not iinsist on copper > coin and > > do the upaya of Mars. We should see the logic behind the upaya not > > insist on what is writen in the book. > > > Regards > > > > > > --- On Thu, 1/8/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote: > > > > > > varun_trvd varun_trvd@ > > > LK discussion group Re: Venus in the 8th house > > > > > > Thursday, January 8, 2009, 9:21 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Dr Kursija ji, > > > > > > Neither I in my reply nor the book, suggests that the Sun > signifies > > > the 8th house. The book does suggest throwing Tamba in ganda > nala. > > > While mentioning Tamba the book itself has clarified it to > signify > > > the sun. > > > > > > As you have mentioned that a copper wire too might serve the > purpose, > > > I have to add that a copper coin signifies the sun in more than > one > > > form. It is made of copper signifying the sun ; it is round in > the > > > shape of the sun; and bears a State emblem signifying authority > or > > > Rajyadhikar; in other words royalty. Therefore a copper coin > would > > > represent the Sun far more closely than a copper wire. > > > > > > You have also suggested that a karak object of Venus can be > offered > > > at a temple. Yes, it can be. But a karak object of a planet is > > > offered at a temple to make the planet swear in the presence of > God > > > that it will behave and not act malefic or belligerent. But to > our > > > mind the upaya suggested of throwing copper coin or a flower [ > > > mercury ] appears to be an exercise in strengthening the Venus, > which > > > in my reply I had explained as restoring the shine and the > luster of > > > the Venus which seems to have been affected by its being in the > 8th > > > house. > > > > > > With regards and respect, > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > , " S.C. Kursija " > > > sckursija@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Varun ji, > > > > " you are right throwing a copper coin or a flower in a ganda > nala > > > > is one of the upaya suggested for Venus placed in the 8th > house. > > > The > > > > 8th house signifies a ganda nala where throwing a copper coin > [sun] > > > or > > > > a flower [mercury] will help it : ‘rahu ke gande naale se hi > > madad > > > > payega jis mein tamba [ sooraj] ya phool [budh] ka dalana > mubarik > > > hoga > > > > [ page 155, 1942 urdu ed ] " > > > > � > > > > My query is that " tamba " copper is the metal for Sun and Mars. > Why > > > Sun is taken as significator of 8th house. The 8th house of > > > kalapurasha is Scorpio i.e.Mars So the upaya should be done for > > > Mars , not for Sun. More over 8th house is " marghat " " shamshan > ghat " > > > > or cementery where fire is present i.e. Mars. We burn the dead > body > > > in the shamshan ghat. Similarly we throw away�refuse of our > body > > > away from the locality. So ganda nala again represents� So its > > > appropriate to throw in the nala. > > > > My question is why only copper coin? It should be copper > metal. It > > > can be in any shape.�such as�copper wire which is easily > > avalavle in > > > cities. > > > > � > > > > The flower is is indicated by Mercury as well as Venus > particularly > > > white flower, blue frwers for Rahu. One can visit temle or any > place > > > of worship for Venus in 8th or give " Jimikandha " in place of > worship > > > for Venus in 8th. > > > > These are my views If I am wrong please correct me. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 1/7/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> > > > > LK discussion group Re: Venus in the 8th house > > > > > > > > Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 10:08 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Raheja ji, > > > > > > > > Yes, you are right throwing a copper coin or a flower in a > ganda > > > nala > > > > is one of the upaya suggested for Venus placed in the 8th > house. > > > The > > > > 8th house signifies a ganda nala where throwing a copper coin > [sun] > > > or > > > > a flower [mercury] will help it : ‘rahu ke gande naale se hi > > madad > > > > payega jis mein tamba [ sooraj] ya phool [budh] ka dalana > mubarik > > > hoga > > > > [ page 155, 1942 urdu ed ] > > > > > > > > The Lal Kitab suggests: gau sewa ya daan se sab kuchh ummda ho > [ > > > page > > > > 155,1942ed]. Feeding a cow is gau sewa. Moreover it is > difficult to > > > > find an open sewage drain in big cities to throw a flower in. > > > Copper > > > > coins are a rare commodity any way. Therefore feeding a cow > with > > > aate > > > > ke pede [flour balls] is a very convenient upaya. > > > > > > > > In the upaya you have talked about, aate ka peda [ wheat flour > > > balls ] > > > > also signify the sun , Sunday the day suggested also belongs > to the > > > > sun; the number 8 signifies the 8th house. But these pede > [flour > > > > balls] should be fed to a black coloured cow. A venus placed > in the > > > > darkness of the house of death [ 8th house] becomes a syaah > [dark] > > > > cow. Here by offering the karak objects of the Sun [ flour > balls] > > > to > > > > the karak object of Venus in the 8th house [ a dark cow] , the > > > effort > > > > seems to be to add luster and shine to Venus, which the Venus > would > > > > have lost by being in the house of death. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > , " girish_raheja " > > > > <girish_raheja@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sir, > > > > > > > > > > Throwing a copper coin or a flower into a ganda nala for 43 > days > > > is a > > > > > well known remedy for venus in the 8th house. But I have seen > > > some > > > > > astrologers suggesting a different remedy also. They suggest > that > > > a > > > > > black cow be fed 8 atte ke pede on a Sunday. If so, what > could be > > > the > > > > > logic of this upaya ? > > > > > with respect > > > > > Girish Raheja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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