Guest guest Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 Jeetu ji, sun+saturn = mars badh. So the remedy here will be cover the head lest hair - saturn joins sun- rays of sun. But if mars nek conjoins rahu then this remedy is avoidable but desirable. Regards. Kulbir. On 2/14/09, vishalastrologer <vishalastrologer wrote: > > Respected Kulbir ji, > > i think Mr. mahajan is busy so > he did not give the reply.sir ,if u understand the logic of what mr. > mahajan is saying then please tell the logic of rahu in 10th house ,upay > should be help of mars.but in what shape which is connected to 10th > house. > > With Regards > > Kunwar Vishal(Jyotish Vidyarthi) > > > , " vishalastrologer " > <vishalastrologer wrote: >> >> Respected Mahajan ji, >> >> Sadar Pranam, >> >> aap ne >> ye baat theek kahi hai ki garh jis ghar me ho us khane ke hisaab se >> madad lee jaye.rahu 10th house me ho to LK me likha hai mangal ki > madad >> lee jayye.to yahan madad ka roop kya hoga aur daswe ghar se sambandh >> kaise banega us upay ka jo kiya jaye.aur b bahut sari aisi example >> hai.yadi aap udaharan de kar samjhaye to aap ki baat puri tarah se >> samajh aa jaaye ge.kyoki kundli ka 4th house paani se samandh rakhta > hai >> ye to theek hai baki gharo ka b sambandh malum ho jaye to mujh jaise >> agyani ko lal kitab ke upay achhi tarah se samajh aa jaye.dhanyawad >> >> With Regards >> >> Kunwar Vishal(jyotish vidyarthi) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> , " varun_trvd " >> varun_trvd@ wrote: >> > >> > Respected Mahajan ji, >> > >> > Beautifully put !! >> > >> > I agree with you when you say: >> > >> > " Jis grah ki/jis khana no ke liye madad leni hai apko uss grah ki >> > uss khana no ki ashiya ke hisab se hee madad leni hai na ki uss grah >> > ki koi bhee ashya " >> > >> > Thanks for your input. Your inputs are very valuable. >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > Varun Trivedi >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > , Hemant Mohan >> > heartzthief54@ wrote: >> > > >> > > Kulbir Jee/Varun Jee/Goyal jee & other Members, >> > > Chhota moonh aur badi baat, mein aap sab ke sahmne kuchh bhee >> > nahi, lekin kulbir bhai ka jo swal hai ki shani ki aur bhee to >> > ashiya hai,unka prayog kyon nahi ? >> > > Iss baat ko aap kuchh iss tarah samjhe ki LAL KITAB mein jahan >> > kahin bhee yeh jikar aya hai ki aap Mangal ki madad lein, Shani ki >> > madad lein, Brahspati ki madad lein aaddi aaddi to kai vayakti ulajh >> > jate hain ki yahan par uss grah ki kaise sahayta lee jaye ya kya >> > upay kiya jaye. >> > > Abb aap sab hee iss baat ko janate hain.?lekin upay kya kiya jaye >> > koi nahi janta(yeh aap?ke liye nahi balki LK ki dukandari jinhone >> > chala rakhi hai unn ke liye likh rahan hoon)?issliye har?LK ka >> > jankar apne hisab se hee upay bana leta hai ya karwa deta hai.Yehi >> > khana no 4 hee sab upay (grah ki madad kaise lee jaye)ka bhed khol >> > data hai. >> > > Jis grah ki/jis khana no ke liye?madad leni hai apko uss grah ki >> > uss khana no ki ashiya ke hisab se hee madad leni hai na ki uss grah >> > ki koi bhee ashya maslan budh kahin to beti hai kisi khana mein woh >> > poti(grand daughter) kahin saali aise hee har grah ki har khana mein >> > ashya badal jati hai. >> > > Abb khana no 4 Chander ka ghar hai yani ki PANI ya Dariya. iss >> > liye yahan par shani ki liqued ashiya hee aap le sakte hain na ki >> > apni marzi se Badam ya Meat(upay ke liye).Khana no 4 ka aap jo bhee >> > upay karte hain aap gaur karein ki har upay mein aapko Pani ya >> > dariya kisi na kisi roop mein lena hee padega.Agar aap ooper likhit >> > ke hisab se upay karwaye to koi vajah nahi ki jatak ko fayda na ho. >> > > Meri LK ke jankaro se appeal hai ki jo kuchh bhee woh janate hain >> > kripya usko chhupaye na balki sab ko bataye ta ki sab ka bhala ho >> > sake kyonki gyan bantne se badta hai na ki ghattata hai.LK mein budh >> > ke baare likha hai ki BUDH KI AKAL VA SURAKH BARTANE AUR KUREDANE SE >> > GHATTATA NAHI(page 181 lk 1942 line1-2). >> > > Vishal jee kee baat ki yahan par chander kee position dekhi jaye >> > ka jawab dena bhul gaya, yahan par chander ki position dekhne ki koi >> > zaroorat nahi kyonki sharab peeni (consumed)hai,iss liye chander ki >> > position na dekhe sirf bimari ki halat mein upay ke taur par pee >> > lein. >> > > Galti ya koi bhul huee to kshama chahta hoon. >> > > Mahajan >> > > ? >> > > >> > > --- On Wed, 2/11/09, kulbir bance kulbirbance@ wrote: >> > > >> > > kulbir bance kulbirbance@ >> > > LK discussion group Re: Saturn + moon >> > > >> > > Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 7:18 AM >> > > >> > > Varun ji, >> > > >> > > why only liquid diet significator of saturn has been >> > > mentioned herein and meat left out. Is it that intoxication part > is >> > > preferred. Is there any latent role of rahu or ketu. >> > > >> > > Regards. >> > > >> > > Kulbir. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > On 2/11/09, kulbir bance kulbirbance@ wrote: >> > > > Respected Vijay ji, i can't understand as to how > person/self/body >> > > > comes under significance of Venus. Plz elaborate. Regarding >> > alchohol i >> > > > think the underlying principle is " nesh se ganesh hove " . I may >> > > be >> > > > wrong but isn't intoxicated state represented by mer+ketu. In >> > the case >> > > > under purview the malady has been specifically mentioned to be >> > related >> > > > to nervous system which results in loss of control over body. I >> > think >> > > > body as whole or self relates to sun and not venus. Regards. >> > Kulbir. >> > > > >> > > > On 2/11/09, Vijay Goel goyalvj@ wrote: >> > > >> Respected Varun ji, Mahajanji, Kulbir Bhai & Members, >> > > >> >> > > >> As per classical astrology also Saturn + moon is Vish Yoga >> > (poison >> > > >> combination). >> > > >> >> > > >> Now drinking pure water will increase effect of moon. >> > > >> Drinking pure alcohol will increase the effects of saturn. >> > > >> >> > > >> Now both is undesirable as per the views presented by your >> > goodselves. >> > > >> >> > > >> Drinking pure alcohol in form of 'medicine' will still produce >> > > the >> > > >> effect of saturn, if saturn is weak but benefic to health than >> > this >> > > >> remedy could work, else not. >> > > >> >> > > >> The idea is to reduce this poisonous combination which is >> > making the >> > > >> mind (moon) depressed (saturn), people drink alcohol (saturn) >> > which >> > > >> mixed in blood (moon liquid) 'seems' to make the person >> > > elevated >> > > >> (venus) from depress state (saturn). >> > > >> >> > > >> So as per my view, Venusian effect is helping is out from this >> > poison, >> > > >> but this drinking alcohol is not a remedy, it is a mirage. >> > > >> >> > > >> Actually by drinking fruits juices [especially vitamin C, like >> > orange >> > > >> juice (venus) or juices which increases oxygen ions (sun) in >> > the body] >> > > >> will be the effective remedy, instead of drinking pure water as >> > it >> > > >> will increase depression, for 40-43 days. >> > > >> >> > > >> Please see if i am correct as per LK or not. >> > > >> >> > > >> Thanking you, >> > > >> Best Wishes, >> > > >> Vijay Goel >> > > >> Jaipur. >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> , " varun_trvd " >> > > >> <varun_trvd@> wrote: >> > > >>> >> > > >>> Dear Kulbir bhai, >> > > >>> >> > > >>> With Saturn + Moon, it is advised that the native should drink >> > > water >> > > >>> after adding some thing to it, of his own choice and taste, >> > for 43 >> > > days >> > > >>> at least if he is suffering from weak vision. In other words > he >> > > should >> > > >>> not drink pure water but must adulterate it with some thing >> > else. >> > > >>> >> > > >>> The cue to understand the logic of this upaya could possibly >> > be in >> > > the >> > > >>> line : >> > > >>> >> > > >>> " ek bhala to doosara manda, maut bahane gadhta ho " >> > > >>> >> > > >>> [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 839 ] >> > > >>> >> > > >>> Now drinking water alone would amount to adding strength to >> > moon >> > > and >> > > >>> this will make the saturn all the more manda. >> > > >>> >> > > >>> To my mind that appears to be the reason. Lets hear if some > one >> > > has a >> > > >>> better explanation. >> > > >>> >> > > >>> Regards, >> > > >>> >> > > >>> Varun Trivedi >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> , kulbir bance >> > > >>> <kulbirbance@> wrote: >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > Varun ji, >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > how does drinking diluted water helps in saturn+moon >> > > >>> > combination. >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > Regards. >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > Kulbir >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > On 2/9/09, varun_trvd varun_trvd@ wrote: >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > Dear Kulbir bhai, >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > You are right that abstaining is desirable. Addiction to >> > > alcohol is >> > > >>> > > likely to turn Saturn malefic. >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > But intake of the karak objects of Saturn, liquor for >> > > example, in >> > > >>> > > moderation and as a medicine by way of an upaya would >> > > help. >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > We interpret these two apparently contradictory >> > > statements in terms >> > > >>> of >> > > >>> > > Saturn turned malefic and Saturn got weakened. >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > The Lal Kitab takes Saturn as the karak of jism ki sehat >> > > and says : >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > Sehat jism ho jab kabhi manda , saanp shafa khud deta >> > > ho⤠[ >> > > >>> 1952 >> > > >>> > > urdu ed ; page 605 ] >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > Therefore when the Saturn gets weak indicated through >> > > the health >> > > >>> loss, >> > > >>> > > then it can be energized through the karaks of the >> > > Saturn itself >> > > >>> when >> > > >>> > > used as upaya and in moderation. >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > But addiction for the same can turn Saturn into a >> > > malefic; because >> > > >>> in >> > > >>> > > the case of addiction liquor is not taken as an upaya. >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > Regards, >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > Varun Trivedi >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > , kulbir bance >> > > >>> > > kulbirbance@ wrote: >> > > >>> > >> >> > > >>> > >> Varun ji, >> > > >>> > >> >> > > >>> > >> saturn 4, 1952, pt. 2 says that drinking will effect >> > > health >> > > >>> > >> adversaly. Pt 9 prescribes it as a remedy/medicine >> > > for health >> > > >>> > >> problems. Is the condition listed in pt.2 applicable >> > > only when mars >> > > >>> in >> > > >>> > >> no.5 or it implies that the native should use >> > > alchohol only when >> > > >>> > >> health problem crops up. If there is no ill health >> > > it is good to >> > > >>> > >> abstain. >> > > >>> > >> >> > > >>> > >> Kulbir >> > > >>> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> > > >>> > >> -- >> > > >>> > >> Sent from my mobile device >> > > >>> > >> >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > > >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> > -- >> > > >>> > Sent from my mobile device >> > > >>> > >> > > >>> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > > >> > > > -- >> > > > Sent from my mobile device >> > > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Sent from my mobile device >> > > >> > > >> > > --- >> > > >> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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