BUDH KHANA NO 9 and traditional Jyotish

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Dear members,I am adding one more combination from Jatak Parijat chapter 3 sloke 56, which is relevant to mercury :Out of three conditions i am mentioning only one :"It the child is born on wednesday, Tithi is 7th, and Nakshatra is Revati (again mercury lord) than the child is bastard (jarjat)."Cancellation to all 'jarjat' yogas :It should be noted that if jupiter is strong in the chart and is linked with sun, moon or lagna and relevant houses that above yoga is cancelled.Thankyou,Best Wishes,Vijay GoelJaipur.mob. 9214502239. , "" < wrote:>> Dear members,> > My two cents :> > [ 1 ] Parentage is a very sensitive matter. To tell some one that he is a ‘najayaz aulad’ can have traumatic results not only for the jatak but for the entire family. Therefore we should be very careful while handling such matters.> > [ 2 ] Had it been so simple and straight Pt. Rupchand ji himself would have used the word ‘najayaz’. He is known for being very outspoken.> > [ 3 ] Vaani dosh alone should not be taken as a criteria to pronounce the result. For all we know ‘vaani dosh’ could be a result of an affliction to the 2nd house and may not have any thing to do with mercury in the 9th house.> > [ 4 ] We seem to have overlooked a very important fact. In any illegitimate birth it is not the father [ Jupiter ] which is a suspect, instead it is the mother [ moon] which is a suspect. The mother has to be ‘dushcharitra’. Therefore before pronouncing some one as an illegitimate, apart from other things, I would have a look at the Moon [mother] and the 4th house also in his chart. If it is a ‘najayaz’ birth then Moon [mother] and the 4th house will definitely come into play.> > [ 5 ] I would prefer the word ‘rahasya’ describing the word ‘bhed’. The word ‘rahasya’ encompasses other possibilities also such as surrogate birth, IVF through a loaned sperm, and also possibly unexplained phenomena at play [chamatkar]. We can not ignore these possibilities of the manner of birth.> > On the whole it has been a very illuminating discussion. > > God bless you,> > Bhooshan Priya> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "heartzthief54" heartzthief54@ wrote:> >> > > > Varun Jee,> > > > Sahi puchha jaye to mein bhee nahi janta thaa ki BUDH khana no 9 itna> > intresting ho jayega. Ek line ka quation thaa aur uss par itna kuchh> > likha gaya, sabke vichar samne aa gaye, kuchh sochne ke liye nayee disha> > mili.Aapka, Kulbir jee, Vipan @Lal Kitabee jee ka aur Vijay Goel> > jee(Jaipur) ka bahut hee dhanyawad karta hoon. Aap sab ke sehyog se hee> > mein apne vicharo ko spasht roop mein rakh saka. Mein galat hoon ya sahi> > yeh to samay kee kasauti par hee parkha jayega,ya aise teve jab aapke> > paas aye, matbhed hain aur shayad rahenge bhee, lekin discussion se jo> > sochne kee disha milti hai uska fayda to udhaya ja sakta hai.> > > > Ek baar fir se aap sab ka dhanyawad.Meri taraf se BUDH khana no 9> > (totla/vaanidosh zaroori)ka bhed khul gaya hai, agar kisi ka koi dusra> > aur vichar hai to rakh de, aur senior se purzor gujarish ki kabhi> > kabhar discussion mein zaroor aya karein ta ki hum sab ko pata chal sake> > ki hum kahan khade hain.> > > > Kisi ka dil dukhaya ho to mafi chahta hoon.> > > > Dhanyawad> > > > MAHAJAN> > > > > > , "varun_trvd"> > <varun_trvd@> wrote:> > >> > >> > > Aadarneeya Mahajan ji,> > >> > >> > >> > > Right from the beginning I knew that you have> > >> > > some thing up your sleeve.> > >> > > such mein bahut sundar> > >> > > Aap ke lekh ne phir shochne par majboor kar> > >> > > diya.> > >> > > Dhanyavaad sahit,> > >> > > Varun Trivedi> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , "heartzthief54"> > > heartzthief54@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > LAL KITABEE JEE,> > > >> > > > Mera apna vichar hai ki jab zuban mein totlapan aa hee gaya to budh> > > > mande kee dusree nishaniya dekhne kee koi zaroorat nahi ( aap sahi> > > > hain),lekin iske saath hee mein yeh bhee kehna chahoonga ki jab> > zuban> > > > mein totlapan aa jayega to budh manda asar nahi dega.yeh to hai tab> > ki> > > > baat jab budh khana no 9 ko chhod kar kisi dusre khana mein> > ho.Kyonki> > > > khana no 9 ka Budh totlepan(thathlana) se kuchh aur hee zahir karta> > > > hoga.> > > >> > > > Abb jab budh khana no 9 mein ho aur totlapan ho to hee uski paidaish> > > > mein bhed hoga woh chahe aurat ho ya mard ,yahan par jaisa ki aapne> > > > likha hai use aurat hone ka fayda milega, iss vichar se mein sehmat> > > > nahi.> > > >> > > > Budh hamesh hee Brahspati par waar karega , yahan par bhee woh> > > Brahspati> > > > par hee waar karega ( Aapne sahi likha)lekin yahan par baba ya> > > > pita(father) ketu(aulad) ko tarsega/ya tarsata hoga mera aap se> > > matbhed> > > > rahega, jis se aapne likha ki aisa beta bahut he mannato ke baad> > paida> > > > hua hoga yehi bhed hai.Mein sehmat nahi???????? kyon ?> > > >> > > > Agar beta(jatak) bahut hee mannato ke baad paida hua hai,(agar aisa> > > > jatak ladki/female ho to kya kahenge) to iss mein aisee kya burai> > hai> > > > jisko zahir karne mein usko aisee jhijak hai ki zuban mein totlapan> > aa> > > > jaye/gaya. Kripya isko hee spasht kar dein, tatha saath hee yeh bhee> > > > batayein ki agar aisa jatak ladki ho , aur uski zuban mein bhee> > > totlapan> > > > ho to kya kahenge ya kya bhed hoga uski paidaish mein.Kya aisee> > ladki> > > > kee paidaaish mein koi bhed nahi hoga? Aur aap yeh kis baat ko> > > > maddenazar rakh kar kaeh rahen hain ki usko ladki hone ka fayda> > milne> > > ki> > > > gunjayash hai?aur kyon gunjayash de rahen hai ?> > > >> > > > Baat wahi aa kar attak jayegi ki aisa kya bhed hai jisko zahir karne> > > > mein uski zuban mein totlapan hoga, mera khayal shuru se wohi hai> > > jiska> > > > ishara sabhi to kar rahe hain lekin khulle man se sweekar nahi kar> > pa> > > > rahe . Mein saaf saaf shabdon mein kehta hoon ki aise jatak NAZAYAZ> > ho> > > > sakte hain ya hain. Sharat wohi hai ki zuban mein totlapan aur Budh> > > > khana no 9 mein zaroori ho, yeh dono sharte agar puree hain tabhee> > yeh> > > > lagoo hoga warna nahi.> > > >> > > > Hamari iss discussion ko bahut se senior aur vidhyarthi bhee padh> > rahe> > > > honge, senior to mazha le rahe hain meri unn se request hai ki woh> > > bhee> > > > zara khul kar apni baat rakhe(BHUSHAN PRIYA JEE, YOG RAJ JEE, UMESH> > > > SHARMA JEE ABB TO JAAG JAYIE)> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Aadar Sahit> > > >> > > > MAHAJAN> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , "lalkitabee"> > > > lalkitabee@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Res Mahajan Ji> > > > > Budh mandey ki ek Nishani juban main totlapan to aa hee gayee.> > Iske> > > > alawaa aur kyaa dhoondhna chahtey hain.Khud Pandit Ji ne likh diya> > hai> > > > ki khana 11 bhi khali hua to Tilismi kuaan(well)hogaa aur uskee> > > gehrayee> > > > ka pataa lagaane ke liye sedhi (Ladder)ka bhi intezaam na hogaa. Aap> > > > khul kar apnaa vichar kyon nahi rakh rahey hain? Aap hee apnaa> > vichar> > > > rakh deejiye na.Ho saktaa hai ki koyee nayee disha mil jaaye.> > > > > With Regards> > > > > Pt.Lalkitabee> > > > > V.Shukla> > > > > Mb.9812020001> > > > > , "heartzthief54"> > > > heartzthief54@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Lal Kitabee Jee,> > > > > >> > > > > > Kripya sirf ek baat spasht kar dein ki agar teve wala sirf totla> > > ho> > > > aur> > > > > > baki Budh mande ki koi nishani na ho , behan bhee sukhi ho, bhua> > > > bhee> > > > > > sukhi, mausi bhee sukhi, beti bhee sukhi, daant bhee theek, 5> > bade> > > > > > bhai(elder) yani ki mannato se na manga gaya, sirf aur sirf> > zuban> > > > mein> > > > > > nukas tab kya ?> > > > > >> > > > > > MAHAJAN> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > , "varun_trvd"> > > > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Respected Lalkitabee ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Simply superb !!> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Very convincing !!!> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I am sold to your view.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Would seek your permission to include your answer in the> > > articles> > > > to> > > > > > be> > > > > > > uploaded in the files.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > With respect and regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > , "lalkitabee"> > > > > > > lalkitabee@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Res Varun Ji> > > > > > > > There is written -AISE SHAKHS KI PAIDAYEESH MAIN BHED HOGA,> > > > JISKE> > > > > > > JAHIR> > > > > > > > KARNE MAIN ISKI APNI JABAAN MAIN THATHLAPAN KA SABOOT> > > > HOGA.(MANDEY> > > > > > > > MAAYNO MAIN)> > > > > > > > Now Im picking ur questions one by one:-> > > > > > > > Q.1.what does the phrase " padaish mein bhed hoga" mean.> > > > > > > > Ans.:- In 1952 edition page no.570 ke mutabiq khana no. 9> > main> > > > Budh> > > > > > > hone> > > > > > > > par Guru barbaad hogaa.Meri samajh to yahi hai ki aise> > insaan> > > ki> > > > > > > > paidayeesh ka bhed hee yahi hogaa ki aise teve wale ka baba> > > > potey> > > > > > > > (Grandson) ko tarasta hogaa aur jab hogaa to budh ki gaaz> > babe> > > > > > > > (Grand-father) par giregi aur baba shayd hee tevey waley ke> > 13> > > > din> > > > > > 13> > > > > > > > maheena ya 13 saal ki umra tak theek thaak rahey. Kayee> > > martabaa> > > > to> > > > > > > aisa> > > > > > > > bhi dekha gayaa hai ki tevey waley ke janam se 9 mahinaa> > > pehley> > > > hee> > > > > > > baba> > > > > > > > ki maut ho chuki hati hai aur babey ki barsi ke aaspaas> > tevey> > > > waley> > > > > > ka> > > > > > > > janam hotaa hai. Shayd yahi is budh ka bhed hai ki- BABA> > GAYA> > > > POTAA> > > > > > > > AAYA, DHAAK KE TEEN PATTEY WALA SILSILA JAARI RAHAA.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Q.2.How is this phrase generally used in every day parlance?> > > > > > > > Ans. :- Mahatmaa ka ashirwaad aur haraam ki aulaad bhi> > amooman> > > > betaa> > > > > > > hee> > > > > > > > hoti hai, lekin budh 9 ke sandarbh main "paidayeesh main> > bhed> > > ka> > > > > > > > matalab" kisi bhi tarah se Insaan ko DNA test ki taraf nahi> > > > bhejtaa,> > > > > > > > kyonki aulad ki shakal main bete ka karak Ketu hai aur Beti> > ka> > > > karak> > > > > > > > Budh. Aurat ke tevey main agar budh 9 hua to aurat hone ka> > > > faydaa> > > > > > use> > > > > > > > milegaa aur Budh ke kharaab hone ki gunjayeesh bhi na ke> > > barabar> > > > > > hogi> > > > > > > > jab tak Suraj aur budh ka taalluq na ho,leikn agar aadmi ke> > > > tevey> > > > > > main> > > > > > > > budh hua to yah kisi bhi tarah se insaan ki khud kee> > > paidayeesh> > > > main> > > > > > > > kisi tarah ka bhed BASTARDNESS ke roop main nahi rakh> > saktaa,> > > > kyonki> > > > > > > > budh 9 wale ke baap ka ketu mandaa hogaa tabhi to vah> > > ashirwaad> > > > ya> > > > > > > > mannat karke aulad pane ki khwahish karegaa.> > > > > > > > Aise main mahatma to Ketu ko umdaa karegaa magar budh ko> > Guru> > > ke> > > > > > > > makaan main jagah mil gayee to Guru ko to udaa hee> > > > degaa.Nateeztan> > > > > > ya> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > baba maregaa ya tevey wale ko saans ki bimari bhi ho sakti> > > hai.> > > > > > > > Varun ji this is the use in everyday parlance of this> > phrase.> > > > > > > > Q3. What does the word 'bhed' mean in the context of a> > malefic> > > > > > mercury> > > > > > > > in the 9th house?> > > > > > > > Ans.- Varun Ji my ans no. 1 & 2 are sufficient regarding> > this> > > > > > querry.> > > > > > > > Q.4-Is it used in the derogatory sense meaning a suspect> > > > parentage?> > > > > > > > Ans.- This querry also covered above in ans no. 2> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Q.5-Or, inspite of a malefic mercury being the indicative of> > > > this> > > > > > > 'bhed'> > > > > > > > should it be interpreted as an 'aasheervad' in response to a> > > > > > 'mannat'.> > > > > > > > Ans.:- Yes, bcoz mercury may be malefic for the concerned.> > > Lekin> > > > > > tevey> > > > > > > > wale ke baap ke tevey main ketu mandaa hua tabhi to aulad ke> > > > liye> > > > > > use> > > > > > > > Guru ya Mahatma ya devtaa ki sharan main jaana padaa. Yah to> > > > mauka> > > > > > mil> > > > > > > > gayaa tilismi bhoot ko Bujrgi khana main saindh-mari karne> > ka> > > > aur> > > > > > agar> > > > > > > > usne saindh lagaa lee to bhed bas yahi hogaa ki Guru hilegaa> > > > kisi na> > > > > > > > kisi tarah.> > > > > > > > Poorey taur par yahi munasib hai ki - aise insaan kee> > > paidayeesh> > > > > > main> > > > > > > > kuchh anokhi baat hogi "BHED" ka matlab CHAMATKAAR lenaa hee> > > > munasib> > > > > > > > hogaa . Baaki sabhi ka apnaa apna sujhaav hai aur samajh> > hai.> > > > > > > > With Regards> > > > > > > > Pt. Lalkitabee> > > > > > > > V.Shukla> > > > > > > > Mb. 9812020001> > > > > > > > , "varun_trvd"> > > > > > > > varun_trvd@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Respected Lalkitabee ji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The first thing we should define :> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > what does the phrase " padaish mein bhed hoga" mean.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > [a] How is this phrase generally used in every day> > parlance?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > What does the word 'bhed' mean in the context of a> > > malefic> > > > > > > mercury> > > > > > > > > in the 9th house?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > [c] Is it used in the derogatory sense meaning a suspect> > > > > > parentage?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > [d] Or, inspite of a malefic mercury being the indicative> > of> > > > this> > > > > > > > 'bhed'> > > > > > > > > should it be interpreted as an 'aasheervad' in response to> > a> > > > > > > 'mannat'.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Could other members please share their views?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I presume the phrase 'padaish mein bhed' as a result of> > > > malefic> > > > > > > > mercury> > > > > > > > > in the 9th house could mean a suspect parentage.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > With respect and regards,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > , "lalkitabee"> > > > > > > > > lalkitabee@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Res Kulbir Ji Mahajan Ji & Goyal Ji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Budh is as such basturd mythologically, So in case of> > > khana> > > > no.> > > > > > 9> > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > thought doesn't seems adequate.> > > > > > > > > > Mere vichar se to paidayeesh main bhed ka ek hee matlab> > ho> > > > > > saktaa> > > > > > > > > > hai ki aisi aulad ya to kisi na kisi mannat ya ashirvaad> > > se> > > > mili> > > > > > > > hoti> > > > > > > > > > hai ya fir koyee poorvaj hee punarjanm letaa hai. Mere> > > aisa> > > > > > kehne> > > > > > > ke> > > > > > > > > > peechhey aadhaar hai khana-9 (Bujurgi) aur iska maalik> > > > > > > > > > guru(Brihaspat).Agar aisa insaan kisi na kisi mannat ya> > > kisi> > > > > > murad> > > > > > > > se> > > > > > > > > > mangaa gaya hotaa hai to ,spasht hai ki aise insaan ke> > > > father ka> > > > > > > > ketu> > > > > > > > > > (ketu Guru ka agent hai) amooman mandaa hee hogaa . vah> > > > father> > > > > > > > > > dharmsthan ya guru - gaddi se half uthakar aulad ki> > > fariyaad> > > > > > > > > > karegaa,fariyaad sun lee gayee to nateeza hogaa ki aulad> > > > hogi-> > > > > > > > > > ( Vaise bhi saadhu ,Mahaatmaa ke ashirwaad se ya mannat> > se> > > > > > amooman> > > > > > > > > > betaa hee paida hotaa hai aisa udaharn ap mythologically> > & > > > > > > > > practically> > > > > > > > > > jyadatar dekh aur sun saktey hain).Baaki group main jin> > > > logon ka> > > > > > > > budh> > > > > > > > > > khana 9 main ho unkee baabat bhi is baat ki durusti kee> > ja> > > > sakti> > > > > > > > > > hai.Mera to bus ek khyaal hai ,maine jaisa samjha likh> > > > > > diyaa.Mere> > > > > > > > > hisaab> > > > > > > > > > se iska matalab "nazayaz aulad" nahi ho saktaa.Kyonki> > > sabhi> > > > khel> > > > > > > > Guru> > > > > > > > > > aur budh ka hai, agar khana no 9 main budh hai aur 6> > main> > > > guru ,> > > > > > > > > vahaan> > > > > > > > > > bhi to Rin pitri se muraad hoti hai ,isi tarah guru ke> > > ghar> > > > > > khana> > > > > > > 9> > > > > > > > > main> > > > > > > > > > agar budh ho aur pitri rin ki shart na ho to paidayeesh> > > main> > > > > > ooper> > > > > > > > > > likhey gaye bhed ke alawa aur kyaa bhed ho saktaa hai.> > > > > > > > > > Mythologically budh is bastared son of Jupiter by Moon.> > So> > > > Budh> > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > rival to moon not to Jupiter.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > With Regards> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Pt. Lalkitabee> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > V.Shukla> > > > > > > > > > Mb. 09812020001> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > , kulbir bance> > > > > > > > > > kulbirbance@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Respected vijay ji, the way u have related mythology> > to> > > > > > explain> > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > condition is heartening. That's what discussion is> > meant> > > > to> > > > > > be.> > > > > > > > > There> > > > > > > > > > > is one more condition about this bhed of parentage. I> > > > shall> > > > > > > > > hopefully> > > > > > > > > > > find it and post it soon. U and varun ji are right> > bhed> > > > > > doesn't> > > > > > > > > > > necessarily mean bastardness. It includes divine> > > blessing.> > > > > > Some> > > > > > > > > > > treatment. Change in time of birth, place of birth.> > > > Unexpected> > > > > > > > > > > circumstances. Help or hinderance from unexpected> > > sources.> > > > > > Birth> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > some ancestor. The list is endless. The one i know the> > > > parents> > > > > > > > went> > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > for prenatal test. Doctor told that it was a male> > child.> > > > The> > > > > > > > parents> > > > > > > > > > > didn't want a girl child but ultimately the girl child> > > was> > > > > > born.> > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > accept ur approach. Now lets find about the another> > > > condition> > > > > > > > also.> > > > > > > > > > > Regards. Kulbir.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > On 3/22/09, Vijay Goel goyalvj@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Mahajanji,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > The complete line is as under :> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > LK-1941 version, pg 147.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > "Ease shaks ki pedaish mein bhed hoga, jisko jahir> > > karne> > > > > > mein> > > > > > > > uski> > > > > > > > > > apni> > > > > > > > > > > > juban mein bhi thatelepan ka sabut hoga "> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > This clearly means that if the person has mercury in> > > 9th> > > > > > house> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > also> > > > > > > > > > > > hammering in speech than only their could be doubt> > in> > > > his> > > > > > > birth> > > > > > > > > else> > > > > > > > > > > > not.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > It is more explained in LK-1952 (english.pg.534):> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > An egg (of imitation) is born in H.No.9, whose inner> > > > > > condition> > > > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > revealed by H.No. 11. Conduct of mercury in H.No. 9> > > will> > > > be> > > > > > > > > revealed> > > > > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > > > the planet in H.No. 11.> > > > > > > > > > > > If H.No.11 is blank,than mercury act as very malefic> > > and> > > > > > could> > > > > > > > > > deride> > > > > > > > > > > > father's relation with mother.> > > > > > > > > > > > Moon or ketu or jupiter in H.No.11 will make lucky,> > > > wealthy,> > > > > > > > > > religious,> > > > > > > > > > > > and long life.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > * *> > > > > > > > > > > > * *> > > > > > > > > > > > *> > > > > > > > > > > > Secret of mercury can be known thought the> > > mathematical> > > > > > > > > calculation> > > > > > > > > > > > given in Lk-1942 pg. 187.> > > > > > > > > > > > The net result of calculation will show the final> > > house> > > > > > effect> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > nature of mercury in the chart.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > * *> > > > > > > > > > > > * *> > > > > > > > > > > > *> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > The malefic effect of mercury in H No.9 is like a> > bat> > > > > > > > (chamkadarh)> > > > > > > > > > gives> > > > > > > > > > > > loss of wealth & health (short age).> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > The best remedies suggested is> > > > > > > > > > > > 1)Piercing the nose.> > > > > > > > > > > > 2)To keep round iron ball with red color coated.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > The explaination of remedies will be provided by the> > > > more> > > > > > > > learned> > > > > > > > > > person> > > > > > > > > > > > in this group.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > * *> > > > > > > > > > > > * *> > > > > > > > > > > > *> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > If we go to mythology, mercury is the 'bustard' son> > of> > > > > > > jupiter,> > > > > > > > > moon> > > > > > > > > > > > eloped 'Tara' the wife of jupiter, thus mercury was> > > > born.> > > > > > > > > > > > Later Jupiter after seeing the repentance of mercury> > > > > > accepted> > > > > > > > him> > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > student.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > May be relation of mercury with 9th house (father> > and> > > > guru)> > > > > > > > > > indicate> > > > > > > > > > > > this possibilty.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > This mythology can be understand in other meaning> > > also.> > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is wisdom (truth) itself, Tara (wife also> > > star)> > > > is> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > power> > > > > > > > > > > > behind that wisdom, whenever flickering of mind> > (moon)> > > > will> > > > > > > > occur> > > > > > > > > > (Tara> > > > > > > > > > > > runs away with moon), only imitation (false) of> > > > knowledge> > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > occur> > > > > > > > > > ie> > > > > > > > > > > > mercury will be born. It simply means that he will> > be> > > > very> > > > > > > good> > > > > > > > at> > > > > > > > > > > > communication and speech but indept knowledge will> > be> > > > > > lacking.> > > > > > > > So> > > > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > > > becoming the good student is the only way to become> > a> > > > good> > > > > > > guru.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Thankyou,> > > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes,> > > > > > > > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > > > > > > > Jaipur> > > > > > > > > > > > 09214502239.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ,> > > > "heartzthief54"> > > > > > > > > > > > heartzthief54@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >> Varun Jee & Other Members,> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >> Agar kisi kee samajh mein yeh aye ki BUDH khana no> > 9> > > > wale> > > > > > ki> > > > > > > > > > paidaish> > > > > > > > > > > >> mein koi bhed hoga, kripya mujh ko samjhaane ka> > > prayas> > > > > > > > > > karein.Bahut> > > > > > > > > > > >> meharbani hogi.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >> MAHAJAN> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > --> > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my mobile device> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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Dear All,

 

I forget to mention in earlier post that Saptmi (7th) Tithi is 'Bhadra'

tithi, which is lorded by mercury.

 

Normally in panchanga, tithi is Jal- tattwa and it is seen for

relationship matters.

 

So if other angas in panchanga is cruel ie day (vaar) : sunday, tuesday,

saturday and Nakshatra is also cruel like satbhija, kritika, aslesha, in

the GIRL chart with bhadra tithi born, it becomes Vishkanya yoga, which

indicate that her marriage life will be not smooth or their will be

problems related to children.

 

Thankyou,

Best Wishes,

Vijay Goel

Jaipur.

 

 

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> Dear members,

>

> My two cents :

>

> [ 1 ] Parentage is a very sensitive matter. To tell some one that he

is a ‘najayaz aulad’ can have traumatic results not only

for the jatak but for the entire family. Therefore we should be very

careful while handling such matters.

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> [ 2 ] Had it been so simple and straight Pt. Rupchand ji himself would

have used the word ‘najayaz’. He is known for being very

outspoken.

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> [ 3 ] Vaani dosh alone should not be taken as a criteria to pronounce

the result. For all we know ‘vaani dosh’ could be a result

of an affliction to the 2nd house and may not have any thing to do with

mercury in the 9th house.

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> [ 4 ] We seem to have overlooked a very important fact. In any

illegitimate birth it is not the father [ Jupiter ] which is a suspect,

instead it is the mother [ moon] which is a suspect. The mother has to

be ‘dushcharitra’. Therefore before pronouncing some one

as an illegitimate, apart from other things, I would have a look at the

Moon [mother] and the 4th house also in his chart. If it is a

‘najayaz’ birth then Moon [mother] and the 4th house will

definitely come into play.

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> [ 5 ] I would prefer the word ‘rahasya’ describing the

word ‘bhed’. The word ‘rahasya’ encompasses

other possibilities also such as surrogate birth, IVF through a loaned

sperm, and also possibly unexplained phenomena at play [chamatkar]. We

can not ignore these possibilities of the manner of birth.

>

> On the whole it has been a very illuminating discussion.

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> God bless you,

>

> Bhooshan Priya

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, " heartzthief54 "

heartzthief54@ wrote:

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> > Varun Jee,

> >

> > Sahi puchha jaye to mein bhee nahi janta thaa ki BUDH khana no 9

itna

> > intresting ho jayega. Ek line ka quation thaa aur uss par itna kuchh

> > likha gaya, sabke vichar samne aa gaye, kuchh sochne ke liye nayee

disha

> > mili.Aapka, Kulbir jee, Vipan @Lal Kitabee jee ka aur Vijay Goel

> > jee(Jaipur) ka bahut hee dhanyawad karta hoon. Aap sab ke sehyog se

hee

> > mein apne vicharo ko spasht roop mein rakh saka. Mein galat hoon ya

sahi

> > yeh to samay kee kasauti par hee parkha jayega,ya aise teve jab

aapke

> > paas aye, matbhed hain aur shayad rahenge bhee, lekin discussion se

jo

> > sochne kee disha milti hai uska fayda to udhaya ja sakta hai.

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> > Ek baar fir se aap sab ka dhanyawad.Meri taraf se BUDH khana no 9

> > (totla/vaanidosh zaroori)ka bhed khul gaya hai, agar kisi ka koi

dusra

> > aur vichar hai to rakh de, aur senior se purzor gujarish ki kabhi

> > kabhar discussion mein zaroor aya karein ta ki hum sab ko pata chal

sake

> > ki hum kahan khade hain.

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> > Kisi ka dil dukhaya ho to mafi chahta hoon.

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> > Dhanyawad

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> > MAHAJAN

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> > , " varun_trvd "

> > <varun_trvd@> wrote:

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> > > Aadarneeya Mahajan ji,

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> > > Right from the beginning I knew that you have

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> > > some thing up your sleeve.

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> > > such mein bahut sundar

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> > > Aap ke lekh ne phir shochne par majboor kar

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> > > diya.

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> > > Dhanyavaad sahit,

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> > > Varun Trivedi

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> > > , " heartzthief54 "

> > > heartzthief54@ wrote:

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> > > >

> > > > LAL KITABEE JEE,

> > > >

> > > > Mera apna vichar hai ki jab zuban mein totlapan aa hee gaya to

budh

> > > > mande kee dusree nishaniya dekhne kee koi zaroorat nahi ( aap

sahi

> > > > hain),lekin iske saath hee mein yeh bhee kehna chahoonga ki jab

> > zuban

> > > > mein totlapan aa jayega to budh manda asar nahi dega.yeh to hai

tab

> > ki

> > > > baat jab budh khana no 9 ko chhod kar kisi dusre khana mein

> > ho.Kyonki

> > > > khana no 9 ka Budh totlepan(thathlana) se kuchh aur hee zahir

karta

> > > > hoga.

> > > >

> > > > Abb jab budh khana no 9 mein ho aur totlapan ho to hee uski

paidaish

> > > > mein bhed hoga woh chahe aurat ho ya mard ,yahan par jaisa ki

aapne

> > > > likha hai use aurat hone ka fayda milega, iss vichar se mein

sehmat

> > > > nahi.

> > > >

> > > > Budh hamesh hee Brahspati par waar karega , yahan par bhee woh

> > > Brahspati

> > > > par hee waar karega ( Aapne sahi likha)lekin yahan par baba ya

> > > > pita(father) ketu(aulad) ko tarsega/ya tarsata hoga mera aap se

> > > matbhed

> > > > rahega, jis se aapne likha ki aisa beta bahut he mannato ke baad

> > paida

> > > > hua hoga yehi bhed hai.Mein sehmat nahi???????? kyon ?

> > > >

> > > > Agar beta(jatak) bahut hee mannato ke baad paida hua hai,(agar

aisa

> > > > jatak ladki/female ho to kya kahenge) to iss mein aisee kya

burai

> > hai

> > > > jisko zahir karne mein usko aisee jhijak hai ki zuban mein

totlapan

> > aa

> > > > jaye/gaya. Kripya isko hee spasht kar dein, tatha saath hee yeh

bhee

> > > > batayein ki agar aisa jatak ladki ho , aur uski zuban mein bhee

> > > totlapan

> > > > ho to kya kahenge ya kya bhed hoga uski paidaish mein.Kya aisee

> > ladki

> > > > kee paidaaish mein koi bhed nahi hoga? Aur aap yeh kis baat ko

> > > > maddenazar rakh kar kaeh rahen hain ki usko ladki hone ka fayda

> > milne

> > > ki

> > > > gunjayash hai?aur kyon gunjayash de rahen hai ?

> > > >

> > > > Baat wahi aa kar attak jayegi ki aisa kya bhed hai jisko zahir

karne

> > > > mein uski zuban mein totlapan hoga, mera khayal shuru se wohi

hai

> > > jiska

> > > > ishara sabhi to kar rahe hain lekin khulle man se sweekar nahi

kar

> > pa

> > > > rahe . Mein saaf saaf shabdon mein kehta hoon ki aise jatak

NAZAYAZ

> > ho

> > > > sakte hain ya hain. Sharat wohi hai ki zuban mein totlapan aur

Budh

> > > > khana no 9 mein zaroori ho, yeh dono sharte agar puree hain

tabhee

> > yeh

> > > > lagoo hoga warna nahi.

> > > >

> > > > Hamari iss discussion ko bahut se senior aur vidhyarthi bhee

padh

> > rahe

> > > > honge, senior to mazha le rahe hain meri unn se request hai ki

woh

> > > bhee

> > > > zara khul kar apni baat rakhe(BHUSHAN PRIYA JEE, YOG RAJ JEE,

UMESH

> > > > SHARMA JEE ABB TO JAAG JAYIE)

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> > > > Aadar Sahit

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> > > > , " lalkitabee "

> > > > lalkitabee@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Res Mahajan Ji

> > > > > Budh mandey ki ek Nishani juban main totlapan to aa hee gayee.

> > Iske

> > > > alawaa aur kyaa dhoondhna chahtey hain.Khud Pandit Ji ne likh

diya

> > hai

> > > > ki khana 11 bhi khali hua to Tilismi kuaan(well)hogaa aur uskee

> > > gehrayee

> > > > ka pataa lagaane ke liye sedhi (Ladder)ka bhi intezaam na hogaa.

Aap

> > > > khul kar apnaa vichar kyon nahi rakh rahey hain? Aap hee apnaa

> > vichar

> > > > rakh deejiye na.Ho saktaa hai ki koyee nayee disha mil jaaye.

> > > > > With Regards

> > > > > Pt.Lalkitabee

> > > > > V.Shukla

> > > > > Mb.9812020001

> > > > > , " heartzthief54 "

> > > > heartzthief54@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lal Kitabee Jee,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kripya sirf ek baat spasht kar dein ki agar teve wala sirf

totla

> > > ho

> > > > aur

> > > > > > baki Budh mande ki koi nishani na ho , behan bhee sukhi ho,

bhua

> > > > bhee

> > > > > > sukhi, mausi bhee sukhi, beti bhee sukhi, daant bhee theek,

5

> > bade

> > > > > > bhai(elder) yani ki mannato se na manga gaya, sirf aur sirf

> > zuban

> > > > mein

> > > > > > nukas tab kya ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > MAHAJAN

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> > > > > > , " varun_trvd "

> > > > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote:

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> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Respected Lalkitabee ji,

> > > > > > >

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> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Simply superb !!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Very convincing !!!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am sold to your view.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Would seek your permission to include your answer in the

> > > articles

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> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > uploaded in the files.

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> > > > > > > With respect and regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Varun Trivedi

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> > > > > > > , " lalkitabee "

> > > > > > > lalkitabee@ wrote:

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> > > > > > > > Res Varun Ji

> > > > > > > > There is written -AISE SHAKHS KI PAIDAYEESH MAIN BHED

HOGA,

> > > > JISKE

> > > > > > > JAHIR

> > > > > > > > KARNE MAIN ISKI APNI JABAAN MAIN THATHLAPAN KA SABOOT

> > > > HOGA.(MANDEY

> > > > > > > > MAAYNO MAIN)

> > > > > > > > Now Im picking ur questions one by one:-

> > > > > > > > Q.1.what does the phrase " padaish mein bhed hoga " mean.

> > > > > > > > Ans.:- In 1952 edition page no.570 ke mutabiq khana no.

9

> > main

> > > > Budh

> > > > > > > hone

> > > > > > > > par Guru barbaad hogaa.Meri samajh to yahi hai ki aise

> > insaan

> > > ki

> > > > > > > > paidayeesh ka bhed hee yahi hogaa ki aise teve wale ka

baba

> > > > potey

> > > > > > > > (Grandson) ko tarasta hogaa aur jab hogaa to budh ki

gaaz

> > babe

> > > > > > > > (Grand-father) par giregi aur baba shayd hee tevey waley

ke

> > 13

> > > > din

> > > > > > 13

> > > > > > > > maheena ya 13 saal ki umra tak theek thaak rahey. Kayee

> > > martabaa

> > > > to

> > > > > > > aisa

> > > > > > > > bhi dekha gayaa hai ki tevey waley ke janam se 9 mahinaa

> > > pehley

> > > > hee

> > > > > > > baba

> > > > > > > > ki maut ho chuki hati hai aur babey ki barsi ke aaspaas

> > tevey

> > > > waley

> > > > > > ka

> > > > > > > > janam hotaa hai. Shayd yahi is budh ka bhed hai ki- BABA

> > GAYA

> > > > POTAA

> > > > > > > > AAYA, DHAAK KE TEEN PATTEY WALA SILSILA JAARI RAHAA.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Q.2.How is this phrase generally used in every day

parlance?

> > > > > > > > Ans. :- Mahatmaa ka ashirwaad aur haraam ki aulaad bhi

> > amooman

> > > > betaa

> > > > > > > hee

> > > > > > > > hoti hai, lekin budh 9 ke sandarbh main " paidayeesh main

> > bhed

> > > ka

> > > > > > > > matalab " kisi bhi tarah se Insaan ko DNA test ki taraf

nahi

> > > > bhejtaa,

> > > > > > > > kyonki aulad ki shakal main bete ka karak Ketu hai aur

Beti

> > ka

> > > > karak

> > > > > > > > Budh. Aurat ke tevey main agar budh 9 hua to aurat hone

ka

> > > > faydaa

> > > > > > use

> > > > > > > > milegaa aur Budh ke kharaab hone ki gunjayeesh bhi na ke

> > > barabar

> > > > > > hogi

> > > > > > > > jab tak Suraj aur budh ka taalluq na ho,leikn agar aadmi

ke

> > > > tevey

> > > > > > main

> > > > > > > > budh hua to yah kisi bhi tarah se insaan ki khud kee

> > > paidayeesh

> > > > main

> > > > > > > > kisi tarah ka bhed BASTARDNESS ke roop main nahi rakh

> > saktaa,

> > > > kyonki

> > > > > > > > budh 9 wale ke baap ka ketu mandaa hogaa tabhi to vah

> > > ashirwaad

> > > > ya

> > > > > > > > mannat karke aulad pane ki khwahish karegaa.

> > > > > > > > Aise main mahatma to Ketu ko umdaa karegaa magar budh ko

> > Guru

> > > ke

> > > > > > > > makaan main jagah mil gayee to Guru ko to udaa hee

> > > > degaa.Nateeztan

> > > > > > ya

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > baba maregaa ya tevey wale ko saans ki bimari bhi ho

sakti

> > > hai.

> > > > > > > > Varun ji this is the use in everyday parlance of this

> > phrase.

> > > > > > > > Q3. What does the word 'bhed' mean in the context of a

> > malefic

> > > > > > mercury

> > > > > > > > in the 9th house?

> > > > > > > > Ans.- Varun Ji my ans no. 1 & 2 are sufficient regarding

> > this

> > > > > > querry.

> > > > > > > > Q.4-Is it used in the derogatory sense meaning a suspect

> > > > parentage?

> > > > > > > > Ans.- This querry also covered above in ans no. 2

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Q.5-Or, inspite of a malefic mercury being the

indicative of

> > > > this

> > > > > > > 'bhed'

> > > > > > > > should it be interpreted as an 'aasheervad' in response

to a

> > > > > > 'mannat'.

> > > > > > > > Ans.:- Yes, bcoz mercury may be malefic for the

concerned.

> > > Lekin

> > > > > > tevey

> > > > > > > > wale ke baap ke tevey main ketu mandaa hua tabhi to

aulad ke

> > > > liye

> > > > > > use

> > > > > > > > Guru ya Mahatma ya devtaa ki sharan main jaana padaa.

Yah to

> > > > mauka

> > > > > > mil

> > > > > > > > gayaa tilismi bhoot ko Bujrgi khana main saindh-mari

karne

> > ka

> > > > aur

> > > > > > agar

> > > > > > > > usne saindh lagaa lee to bhed bas yahi hogaa ki Guru

hilegaa

> > > > kisi na

> > > > > > > > kisi tarah.

> > > > > > > > Poorey taur par yahi munasib hai ki - aise insaan kee

> > > paidayeesh

> > > > > > main

> > > > > > > > kuchh anokhi baat hogi " BHED " ka matlab CHAMATKAAR lenaa

hee

> > > > munasib

> > > > > > > > hogaa . Baaki sabhi ka apnaa apna sujhaav hai aur samajh

> > hai.

> > > > > > > > With Regards

> > > > > > > > Pt. Lalkitabee

> > > > > > > > V.Shukla

> > > > > > > > Mb. 9812020001

> > > > > > > > , " varun_trvd "

> > > > > > > > varun_trvd@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Respected Lalkitabee ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The first thing we should define :

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > what does the phrase " padaish mein bhed hoga " mean.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > [a] How is this phrase generally used in every day

> > parlance?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > What does the word 'bhed' mean in the context of a

> > > malefic

> > > > > > > mercury

> > > > > > > > > in the 9th house?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > [c] Is it used in the derogatory sense meaning a

suspect

> > > > > > parentage?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > [d] Or, inspite of a malefic mercury being the

indicative

> > of

> > > > this

> > > > > > > > 'bhed'

> > > > > > > > > should it be interpreted as an 'aasheervad' in

response to

> > a

> > > > > > > 'mannat'.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Could other members please share their views?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I presume the phrase 'padaish mein bhed' as a result

of

> > > > malefic

> > > > > > > > mercury

> > > > > > > > > in the 9th house could mean a suspect parentage.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > With respect and regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ,

" lalkitabee "

> > > > > > > > > lalkitabee@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Res Kulbir Ji Mahajan Ji & Goyal Ji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Budh is as such basturd mythologically, So in case

of

> > > khana

> > > > no.

> > > > > > 9

> > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > thought doesn't seems adequate.

> > > > > > > > > > Mere vichar se to paidayeesh main bhed ka ek hee

matlab

> > ho

> > > > > > saktaa

> > > > > > > > > > hai ki aisi aulad ya to kisi na kisi mannat ya

ashirvaad

> > > se

> > > > mili

> > > > > > > > hoti

> > > > > > > > > > hai ya fir koyee poorvaj hee punarjanm letaa hai.

Mere

> > > aisa

> > > > > > kehne

> > > > > > > ke

> > > > > > > > > > peechhey aadhaar hai khana-9 (Bujurgi) aur iska

maalik

> > > > > > > > > > guru(Brihaspat).Agar aisa insaan kisi na kisi mannat

ya

> > > kisi

> > > > > > murad

> > > > > > > > se

> > > > > > > > > > mangaa gaya hotaa hai to ,spasht hai ki aise insaan

ke

> > > > father ka

> > > > > > > > ketu

> > > > > > > > > > (ketu Guru ka agent hai) amooman mandaa hee hogaa .

vah

> > > > father

> > > > > > > > > > dharmsthan ya guru - gaddi se half uthakar aulad ki

> > > fariyaad

> > > > > > > > > > karegaa,fariyaad sun lee gayee to nateeza hogaa ki

aulad

> > > > hogi-

> > > > > > > > > > ( Vaise bhi saadhu ,Mahaatmaa ke ashirwaad se ya

mannat

> > se

> > > > > > amooman

> > > > > > > > > > betaa hee paida hotaa hai aisa udaharn ap

mythologically

> > &

> > > > > > > > practically

> > > > > > > > > > jyadatar dekh aur sun saktey hain).Baaki group main

jin

> > > > logon ka

> > > > > > > > budh

> > > > > > > > > > khana 9 main ho unkee baabat bhi is baat ki durusti

kee

> > ja

> > > > sakti

> > > > > > > > > > hai.Mera to bus ek khyaal hai ,maine jaisa samjha

likh

> > > > > > diyaa.Mere

> > > > > > > > > hisaab

> > > > > > > > > > se iska matalab " nazayaz aulad " nahi ho

saktaa.Kyonki

> > > sabhi

> > > > khel

> > > > > > > > Guru

> > > > > > > > > > aur budh ka hai, agar khana no 9 main budh hai aur 6

> > main

> > > > guru ,

> > > > > > > > > vahaan

> > > > > > > > > > bhi to Rin pitri se muraad hoti hai ,isi tarah guru

ke

> > > ghar

> > > > > > khana

> > > > > > > 9

> > > > > > > > > main

> > > > > > > > > > agar budh ho aur pitri rin ki shart na ho to

paidayeesh

> > > main

> > > > > > ooper

> > > > > > > > > > likhey gaye bhed ke alawa aur kyaa bhed ho saktaa

hai.

> > > > > > > > > > Mythologically budh is bastared son of Jupiter by

Moon.

> > So

> > > > Budh

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > rival to moon not to Jupiter.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > With Regards

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Pt. Lalkitabee

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > V.Shukla

> > > > > > > > > > Mb. 09812020001

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , kulbir

bance

> > > > > > > > > > kulbirbance@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Respected vijay ji, the way u have related

mythology

> > to

> > > > > > explain

> > > > > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > condition is heartening. That's what discussion is

> > meant

> > > > to

> > > > > > be.

> > > > > > > > > There

> > > > > > > > > > > is one more condition about this bhed of

parentage. I

> > > > shall

> > > > > > > > > hopefully

> > > > > > > > > > > find it and post it soon. U and varun ji are right

> > bhed

> > > > > > doesn't

> > > > > > > > > > > necessarily mean bastardness. It includes divine

> > > blessing.

> > > > > > Some

> > > > > > > > > > > treatment. Change in time of birth, place of

birth.

> > > > Unexpected

> > > > > > > > > > > circumstances. Help or hinderance from unexpected

> > > sources.

> > > > > > Birth

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > some ancestor. The list is endless. The one i know

the

> > > > parents

> > > > > > > > went

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > for prenatal test. Doctor told that it was a male

> > child.

> > > > The

> > > > > > > > parents

> > > > > > > > > > > didn't want a girl child but ultimately the girl

child

> > > was

> > > > > > born.

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > accept ur approach. Now lets find about the

another

> > > > condition

> > > > > > > > also.

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards. Kulbir.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > On 3/22/09, Vijay Goel goyalvj@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Mahajanji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The complete line is as under :

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > LK-1941 version, pg 147.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > " Ease shaks ki pedaish mein bhed hoga, jisko

jahir

> > > karne

> > > > > > mein

> > > > > > > > uski

> > > > > > > > > > apni

> > > > > > > > > > > > juban mein bhi thatelepan ka sabut hoga "

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > This clearly means that if the person has

mercury in

> > > 9th

> > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > > > > > hammering in speech than only their could be

doubt

> > in

> > > > his

> > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > else

> > > > > > > > > > > > not.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > It is more explained in LK-1952

(english.pg.534):

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > An egg (of imitation) is born in H.No.9, whose

inner

> > > > > > condition

> > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > revealed by H.No. 11. Conduct of mercury in

H.No. 9

> > > will

> > > > be

> > > > > > > > > revealed

> > > > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > > the planet in H.No. 11.

> > > > > > > > > > > > If H.No.11 is blank,than mercury act as very

malefic

> > > and

> > > > > > could

> > > > > > > > > > deride

> > > > > > > > > > > > father's relation with mother.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Moon or ketu or jupiter in H.No.11 will make

lucky,

> > > > wealthy,

> > > > > > > > > > religious,

> > > > > > > > > > > > and long life.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > * *

> > > > > > > > > > > > * *

> > > > > > > > > > > > *

> > > > > > > > > > > > Secret of mercury can be known thought the

> > > mathematical

> > > > > > > > > calculation

> > > > > > > > > > > > given in Lk-1942 pg. 187.

> > > > > > > > > > > > The net result of calculation will show the

final

> > > house

> > > > > > effect

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > nature of mercury in the chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > * *

> > > > > > > > > > > > * *

> > > > > > > > > > > > *

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The malefic effect of mercury in H No.9 is like

a

> > bat

> > > > > > > > (chamkadarh)

> > > > > > > > > > gives

> > > > > > > > > > > > loss of wealth & health (short age).

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The best remedies suggested is

> > > > > > > > > > > > 1)Piercing the nose.

> > > > > > > > > > > > 2)To keep round iron ball with red color coated.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The explaination of remedies will be provided by

the

> > > > more

> > > > > > > > learned

> > > > > > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > > > > > in this group.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > * *

> > > > > > > > > > > > * *

> > > > > > > > > > > > *

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > If we go to mythology, mercury is the 'bustard'

son

> > of

> > > > > > > jupiter,

> > > > > > > > > moon

> > > > > > > > > > > > eloped 'Tara' the wife of jupiter, thus mercury

was

> > > > born.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Later Jupiter after seeing the repentance of

mercury

> > > > > > accepted

> > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > student.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > May be relation of mercury with 9th house

(father

> > and

> > > > guru)

> > > > > > > > > > indicate

> > > > > > > > > > > > this possibilty.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > This mythology can be understand in other

meaning

> > > also.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is wisdom (truth) itself, Tara (wife

also

> > > star)

> > > > is

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > power

> > > > > > > > > > > > behind that wisdom, whenever flickering of mind

> > (moon)

> > > > will

> > > > > > > > occur

> > > > > > > > > > (Tara

> > > > > > > > > > > > runs away with moon), only imitation (false) of

> > > > knowledge

> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > occur

> > > > > > > > > > ie

> > > > > > > > > > > > mercury will be born. It simply means that he

will

> > be

> > > > very

> > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > at

> > > > > > > > > > > > communication and speech but indept knowledge

will

> > be

> > > > > > lacking.

> > > > > > > > So

> > > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > > > > becoming the good student is the only way to

become

> > a

> > > > good

> > > > > > > guru.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thankyou,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Vijay Goel

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jaipur

> > > > > > > > > > > > 09214502239.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > " heartzthief54 "

> > > > > > > > > > > > heartzthief54@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > >> Varun Jee & Other Members,

> > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > >> Agar kisi kee samajh mein yeh aye ki BUDH khana

no

> > 9

> > > > wale

> > > > > > ki

> > > > > > > > > > paidaish

> > > > > > > > > > > >> mein koi bhed hoga, kripya mujh ko samjhaane ka

> > > prayas

> > > > > > > > > > karein.Bahut

> > > > > > > > > > > >> meharbani hogi.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > >> MAHAJAN

> > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

Respected Vijay ji

 

There can be so many different paths to reach God but there is only one God. similarly different paddhaties of jyotish, vastu, anka shastra, palmistry or lal kitab may take one to a similar conclusion. the more one studies the different aspects of these predictive sciences and try and corelate, the more similarities one can locate. By adopting a harmonious approach one can be more effective in devising remedies and solutions to help everyone. I always feel that this harmony is best visible in the Lal kitab system where an adbhut amalgamation of Vedic, palmistry, vastu and tantra is present.

 

regards and thanks for providing the relevant information based on vedic astrology.

 

Sharat pandit

 

 

 

n Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Vijay Goel <goyalvj wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear All,I forget to mention in earlier post that Saptmi (7th) Tithi is 'Bhadra'tithi, which is lorded by mercury.Normally in panchanga, tithi is Jal- tattwa and it is seen forrelationship matters.

So if other angas in panchanga is cruel ie day (vaar) : sunday, tuesday,saturday and Nakshatra is also cruel like satbhija, kritika, aslesha, inthe GIRL chart with bhadra tithi born, it becomes Vishkanya yoga, which

indicate that her marriage life will be not smooth or their will beproblems related to children.Thankyou,Best Wishes,Vijay GoelJaipur. , " "

< wrote:>> Dear members,>> My two cents :>> [ 1 ] Parentage is a very sensitive matter. To tell some one that heis a ‘najayaz aulad’ can have traumatic results not only

for the jatak but for the entire family. Therefore we should be verycareful while handling such matters.>> [ 2 ] Had it been so simple and straight Pt. Rupchand ji himself wouldhave used the word ‘najayaz’. He is known for being very

outspoken.>> [ 3 ] Vaani dosh alone should not be taken as a criteria to pronouncethe result. For all we know ‘vaani dosh’ could be a resultof an affliction to the 2nd house and may not have any thing to do with

mercury in the 9th house.>> [ 4 ] We seem to have overlooked a very important fact. In anyillegitimate birth it is not the father [ Jupiter ] which is a suspect,instead it is the mother [ moon] which is a suspect. The mother has to

be ‘dushcharitra’. Therefore before pronouncing some oneas an illegitimate, apart from other things, I would have a look at theMoon [mother] and the 4th house also in his chart. If it is a‘najayaz’ birth then Moon [mother] and the 4th house will

definitely come into play.>> [ 5 ] I would prefer the word ‘rahasya’ describing theword ‘bhed’. The word ‘rahasya’ encompassesother possibilities also such as surrogate birth, IVF through a loaned

sperm, and also possibly unexplained phenomena at play [chamatkar]. Wecan not ignore these possibilities of the manner of birth.>> On the whole it has been a very illuminating discussion.>> God bless you,

>> Bhooshan Priya>>>>>>>>>>>>>> , " heartzthief54 "

heartzthief54@ wrote:> >> >> > Varun Jee,> >> > Sahi puchha jaye to mein bhee nahi janta thaa ki BUDH khana no 9itna> > intresting ho jayega. Ek line ka quation thaa aur uss par itna kuchh

> > likha gaya, sabke vichar samne aa gaye, kuchh sochne ke liye nayeedisha> > mili.Aapka, Kulbir jee, Vipan @Lal Kitabee jee ka aur Vijay Goel> > jee(Jaipur) ka bahut hee dhanyawad karta hoon. Aap sab ke sehyog se

hee> > mein apne vicharo ko spasht roop mein rakh saka. Mein galat hoon yasahi> > yeh to samay kee kasauti par hee parkha jayega,ya aise teve jabaapke> > paas aye, matbhed hain aur shayad rahenge bhee, lekin discussion se

jo> > sochne kee disha milti hai uska fayda to udhaya ja sakta hai.> >> > Ek baar fir se aap sab ka dhanyawad.Meri taraf se BUDH khana no 9> > (totla/vaanidosh zaroori)ka bhed khul gaya hai, agar kisi ka koi

dusra> > aur vichar hai to rakh de, aur senior se purzor gujarish ki kabhi> > kabhar discussion mein zaroor aya karein ta ki hum sab ko pata chalsake> > ki hum kahan khade hain.> >

> > Kisi ka dil dukhaya ho to mafi chahta hoon.> >> > Dhanyawad> >> > MAHAJAN> >> >> > , " varun_trvd "

> > <varun_trvd@> wrote:> > >> > >> > > Aadarneeya Mahajan ji,> > >> > >> > >> > > Right from the beginning I knew that you have

> > >> > > some thing up your sleeve.> > >> > > such mein bahut sundar> > >> > > Aap ke lekh ne phir shochne par majboor kar> > >> > > diya.

> > >> > > Dhanyavaad sahit,> > >> > > Varun Trivedi> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >

> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >

> > >> > >> > > , " heartzthief54 " > > > heartzthief54@ wrote:

> > > >> > > >> > > > LAL KITABEE JEE,> > > >> > > > Mera apna vichar hai ki jab zuban mein totlapan aa hee gaya tobudh> > > > mande kee dusree nishaniya dekhne kee koi zaroorat nahi ( aap

sahi> > > > hain),lekin iske saath hee mein yeh bhee kehna chahoonga ki jab> > zuban> > > > mein totlapan aa jayega to budh manda asar nahi dega.yeh to haitab> > ki

> > > > baat jab budh khana no 9 ko chhod kar kisi dusre khana mein> > ho.Kyonki> > > > khana no 9 ka Budh totlepan(thathlana) se kuchh aur hee zahirkarta> > > > hoga.

> > > >> > > > Abb jab budh khana no 9 mein ho aur totlapan ho to hee uskipaidaish> > > > mein bhed hoga woh chahe aurat ho ya mard ,yahan par jaisa kiaapne> > > > likha hai use aurat hone ka fayda milega, iss vichar se mein

sehmat> > > > nahi.> > > >> > > > Budh hamesh hee Brahspati par waar karega , yahan par bhee woh> > > Brahspati> > > > par hee waar karega ( Aapne sahi likha)lekin yahan par baba ya

> > > > pita(father) ketu(aulad) ko tarsega/ya tarsata hoga mera aap se> > > matbhed> > > > rahega, jis se aapne likha ki aisa beta bahut he mannato ke baad> > paida> > > > hua hoga yehi bhed hai.Mein sehmat nahi???????? kyon ?

> > > >> > > > Agar beta(jatak) bahut hee mannato ke baad paida hua hai,(agaraisa> > > > jatak ladki/female ho to kya kahenge) to iss mein aisee kyaburai> > hai

> > > > jisko zahir karne mein usko aisee jhijak hai ki zuban meintotlapan> > aa> > > > jaye/gaya. Kripya isko hee spasht kar dein, tatha saath hee yehbhee> > > > batayein ki agar aisa jatak ladki ho , aur uski zuban mein bhee

> > > totlapan> > > > ho to kya kahenge ya kya bhed hoga uski paidaish mein.Kya aisee> > ladki> > > > kee paidaaish mein koi bhed nahi hoga? Aur aap yeh kis baat ko> > > > maddenazar rakh kar kaeh rahen hain ki usko ladki hone ka fayda

> > milne> > > ki> > > > gunjayash hai?aur kyon gunjayash de rahen hai ?> > > >> > > > Baat wahi aa kar attak jayegi ki aisa kya bhed hai jisko zahirkarne

> > > > mein uski zuban mein totlapan hoga, mera khayal shuru se wohihai> > > jiska> > > > ishara sabhi to kar rahe hain lekin khulle man se sweekar nahikar> > pa

> > > > rahe . Mein saaf saaf shabdon mein kehta hoon ki aise jatakNAZAYAZ> > ho> > > > sakte hain ya hain. Sharat wohi hai ki zuban mein totlapan aurBudh> > > > khana no 9 mein zaroori ho, yeh dono sharte agar puree hain

tabhee> > yeh> > > > lagoo hoga warna nahi.> > > >> > > > Hamari iss discussion ko bahut se senior aur vidhyarthi bheepadh> > rahe> > > > honge, senior to mazha le rahe hain meri unn se request hai ki

woh> > > bhee> > > > zara khul kar apni baat rakhe(BHUSHAN PRIYA JEE, YOG RAJ JEE,UMESH> > > > SHARMA JEE ABB TO JAAG JAYIE)> > > >> > > >

> > > >> > > > Aadar Sahit> > > >> > > > MAHAJAN> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >

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> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , " lalkitabee "

> > > > lalkitabee@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Res Mahajan Ji> > > > > Budh mandey ki ek Nishani juban main totlapan to aa hee gayee.> > Iske

> > > > alawaa aur kyaa dhoondhna chahtey hain.Khud Pandit Ji ne likhdiya> > hai> > > > ki khana 11 bhi khali hua to Tilismi kuaan(well)hogaa aur uskee> > > gehrayee

> > > > ka pataa lagaane ke liye sedhi (Ladder)ka bhi intezaam na hogaa.Aap> > > > khul kar apnaa vichar kyon nahi rakh rahey hain? Aap hee apnaa> > vichar> > > > rakh deejiye na.Ho saktaa hai ki koyee nayee disha mil jaaye.

> > > > > With Regards> > > > > Pt.Lalkitabee> > > > > V.Shukla> > > > > Mb.9812020001> > > > > , " heartzthief54 "

> > > > heartzthief54@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Lal Kitabee Jee,> > > > > >> > > > > > Kripya sirf ek baat spasht kar dein ki agar teve wala sirf

totla> > > ho> > > > aur> > > > > > baki Budh mande ki koi nishani na ho , behan bhee sukhi ho,bhua> > > > bhee> > > > > > sukhi, mausi bhee sukhi, beti bhee sukhi, daant bhee theek,

5> > bade> > > > > > bhai(elder) yani ki mannato se na manga gaya, sirf aur sirf> > zuban> > > > mein> > > > > > nukas tab kya ?> > > > > >

> > > > > > MAHAJAN> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > , " varun_trvd "

> > > > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Respected Lalkitabee ji,> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Simply superb !!> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Very convincing !!!

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I am sold to your view.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Would seek your permission to include your answer in the

> > > articles> > > > to> > > > > > be> > > > > > > uploaded in the files.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > With respect and regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

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> > > > > > >> > > > > > > , " lalkitabee " > > > > > > > lalkitabee@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Res Varun Ji> > > > > > > > There is written -AISE SHAKHS KI PAIDAYEESH MAIN BHEDHOGA,> > > > JISKE

> > > > > > > JAHIR> > > > > > > > KARNE MAIN ISKI APNI JABAAN MAIN THATHLAPAN KA SABOOT> > > > HOGA.(MANDEY> > > > > > > > MAAYNO MAIN)

> > > > > > > > Now Im picking ur questions one by one:-> > > > > > > > Q.1.what does the phrase " padaish mein bhed hoga " mean.> > > > > > > > Ans.:- In 1952 edition page no.570 ke mutabiq khana no.

9> > main> > > > Budh> > > > > > > hone> > > > > > > > par Guru barbaad hogaa.Meri samajh to yahi hai ki aise> > insaan> > > ki

> > > > > > > > paidayeesh ka bhed hee yahi hogaa ki aise teve wale kababa> > > > potey> > > > > > > > (Grandson) ko tarasta hogaa aur jab hogaa to budh ki

gaaz> > babe> > > > > > > > (Grand-father) par giregi aur baba shayd hee tevey waleyke> > 13> > > > din> > > > > > 13> > > > > > > > maheena ya 13 saal ki umra tak theek thaak rahey. Kayee

> > > martabaa> > > > to> > > > > > > aisa> > > > > > > > bhi dekha gayaa hai ki tevey waley ke janam se 9 mahinaa> > > pehley

> > > > hee> > > > > > > baba> > > > > > > > ki maut ho chuki hati hai aur babey ki barsi ke aaspaas> > tevey> > > > waley> > > > > > ka

> > > > > > > > janam hotaa hai. Shayd yahi is budh ka bhed hai ki- BABA> > GAYA> > > > POTAA> > > > > > > > AAYA, DHAAK KE TEEN PATTEY WALA SILSILA JAARI RAHAA.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Q.2.How is this phrase generally used in every dayparlance?> > > > > > > > Ans. :- Mahatmaa ka ashirwaad aur haraam ki aulaad bhi

> > amooman> > > > betaa> > > > > > > hee> > > > > > > > hoti hai, lekin budh 9 ke sandarbh main " paidayeesh main> > bhed> > > ka

> > > > > > > > matalab " kisi bhi tarah se Insaan ko DNA test ki tarafnahi> > > > bhejtaa,> > > > > > > > kyonki aulad ki shakal main bete ka karak Ketu hai aur

Beti> > ka> > > > karak> > > > > > > > Budh. Aurat ke tevey main agar budh 9 hua to aurat honeka> > > > faydaa> > > > > > use

> > > > > > > > milegaa aur Budh ke kharaab hone ki gunjayeesh bhi na ke> > > barabar> > > > > > hogi> > > > > > > > jab tak Suraj aur budh ka taalluq na ho,leikn agar aadmi

ke> > > > tevey> > > > > > main> > > > > > > > budh hua to yah kisi bhi tarah se insaan ki khud kee> > > paidayeesh> > > > main

> > > > > > > > kisi tarah ka bhed BASTARDNESS ke roop main nahi rakh> > saktaa,> > > > kyonki> > > > > > > > budh 9 wale ke baap ka ketu mandaa hogaa tabhi to vah

> > > ashirwaad> > > > ya> > > > > > > > mannat karke aulad pane ki khwahish karegaa.> > > > > > > > Aise main mahatma to Ketu ko umdaa karegaa magar budh ko

> > Guru> > > ke> > > > > > > > makaan main jagah mil gayee to Guru ko to udaa hee> > > > degaa.Nateeztan> > > > > > ya> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > baba maregaa ya tevey wale ko saans ki bimari bhi hosakti> > > hai.> > > > > > > > Varun ji this is the use in everyday parlance of this

> > phrase.> > > > > > > > Q3. What does the word 'bhed' mean in the context of a> > malefic> > > > > > mercury> > > > > > > > in the 9th house?

> > > > > > > > Ans.- Varun Ji my ans no. 1 & 2 are sufficient regarding> > this> > > > > > querry.> > > > > > > > Q.4-Is it used in the derogatory sense meaning a suspect

> > > > parentage?> > > > > > > > Ans.- This querry also covered above in ans no. 2> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Q.5-Or, inspite of a malefic mercury being the

indicative of> > > > this> > > > > > > 'bhed'> > > > > > > > should it be interpreted as an 'aasheervad' in responseto a> > > > > > 'mannat'.

> > > > > > > > Ans.:- Yes, bcoz mercury may be malefic for theconcerned.> > > Lekin> > > > > > tevey> > > > > > > > wale ke baap ke tevey main ketu mandaa hua tabhi to

aulad ke> > > > liye> > > > > > use> > > > > > > > Guru ya Mahatma ya devtaa ki sharan main jaana padaa.Yah to> > > > mauka> > > > > > mil

> > > > > > > > gayaa tilismi bhoot ko Bujrgi khana main saindh-marikarne> > ka> > > > aur> > > > > > agar> > > > > > > > usne saindh lagaa lee to bhed bas yahi hogaa ki Guru

hilegaa> > > > kisi na> > > > > > > > kisi tarah.> > > > > > > > Poorey taur par yahi munasib hai ki - aise insaan kee> > > paidayeesh

> > > > > > main> > > > > > > > kuchh anokhi baat hogi " BHED " ka matlab CHAMATKAAR lenaahee> > > > munasib> > > > > > > > hogaa . Baaki sabhi ka apnaa apna sujhaav hai aur samajh

> > hai.> > > > > > > > With Regards> > > > > > > > Pt. Lalkitabee> > > > > > > > V.Shukla> > > > > > > > Mb. 9812020001

> > > > > > > > , " varun_trvd " > > > > > > > > varun_trvd@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Respected Lalkitabee ji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The first thing we should define :

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > what does the phrase " padaish mein bhed hoga " mean.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > [a] How is this phrase generally used in every day

> > parlance?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > What does the word 'bhed' mean in the context of a> > > malefic> > > > > > > mercury

> > > > > > > > > in the 9th house?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > [c] Is it used in the derogatory sense meaning asuspect

> > > > > > parentage?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > [d] Or, inspite of a malefic mercury being theindicative> > of> > > > this

> > > > > > > > 'bhed'> > > > > > > > > should it be interpreted as an 'aasheervad' inresponse to> > a> > > > > > > 'mannat'.

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Could other members please share their views?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I presume the phrase 'padaish mein bhed' as a result

of> > > > malefic> > > > > > > > mercury> > > > > > > > > in the 9th house could mean a suspect parentage.> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > With respect and regards,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > , " lalkitabee "

> > > > > > > > > lalkitabee@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Res Kulbir Ji Mahajan Ji & Goyal Ji,> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Budh is as such basturd mythologically, So in caseof> > > khana> > > > no.> > > > > > 9

> > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > thought doesn't seems adequate.> > > > > > > > > > Mere vichar se to paidayeesh main bhed ka ek hee

matlab> > ho> > > > > > saktaa> > > > > > > > > > hai ki aisi aulad ya to kisi na kisi mannat yaashirvaad> > > se> > > > mili

> > > > > > > > hoti> > > > > > > > > > hai ya fir koyee poorvaj hee punarjanm letaa hai.Mere> > > aisa> > > > > > kehne

> > > > > > > ke> > > > > > > > > > peechhey aadhaar hai khana-9 (Bujurgi) aur iskamaalik> > > > > > > > > > guru(Brihaspat).Agar aisa insaan kisi na kisi mannat

ya> > > kisi> > > > > > murad> > > > > > > > se> > > > > > > > > > mangaa gaya hotaa hai to ,spasht hai ki aise insaanke

> > > > father ka> > > > > > > > ketu> > > > > > > > > > (ketu Guru ka agent hai) amooman mandaa hee hogaa .vah> > > > father

> > > > > > > > > > dharmsthan ya guru - gaddi se half uthakar aulad ki> > > fariyaad> > > > > > > > > > karegaa,fariyaad sun lee gayee to nateeza hogaa ki

aulad> > > > hogi-> > > > > > > > > > ( Vaise bhi saadhu ,Mahaatmaa ke ashirwaad se yamannat> > se> > > > > > amooman> > > > > > > > > > betaa hee paida hotaa hai aisa udaharn ap

mythologically> > & > > > > > > > > practically> > > > > > > > > > jyadatar dekh aur sun saktey hain).Baaki group mainjin> > > > logon ka

> > > > > > > > budh> > > > > > > > > > khana 9 main ho unkee baabat bhi is baat ki durustikee> > ja> > > > sakti> > > > > > > > > > hai.Mera to bus ek khyaal hai ,maine jaisa samjha

likh> > > > > > diyaa.Mere> > > > > > > > > hisaab> > > > > > > > > > se iska matalab " nazayaz aulad " nahi hosaktaa.Kyonki

> > > sabhi> > > > khel> > > > > > > > Guru> > > > > > > > > > aur budh ka hai, agar khana no 9 main budh hai aur 6> > main

> > > > guru ,> > > > > > > > > vahaan> > > > > > > > > > bhi to Rin pitri se muraad hoti hai ,isi tarah guruke> > > ghar> > > > > > khana

> > > > > > > 9> > > > > > > > > main> > > > > > > > > > agar budh ho aur pitri rin ki shart na ho topaidayeesh> > > main

> > > > > > ooper> > > > > > > > > > likhey gaye bhed ke alawa aur kyaa bhed ho saktaahai.> > > > > > > > > > Mythologically budh is bastared son of Jupiter by

Moon.> > So> > > > Budh> > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > rival to moon not to Jupiter.> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > With Regards> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Pt. Lalkitabee> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > V.Shukla> > > > > > > > > > Mb. 09812020001> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > , kulbir

bance> > > > > > > > > > kulbirbance@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Respected vijay ji, the way u have related

mythology> > to> > > > > > explain> > > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > > > condition is heartening. That's what discussion is

> > meant> > > > to> > > > > > be.> > > > > > > > > There> > > > > > > > > > > is one more condition about this bhed of

parentage. I> > > > shall> > > > > > > > > hopefully> > > > > > > > > > > find it and post it soon. U and varun ji are right> > bhed

> > > > > > doesn't> > > > > > > > > > > necessarily mean bastardness. It includes divine> > > blessing.> > > > > > Some> > > > > > > > > > > treatment. Change in time of birth, place of

birth.> > > > Unexpected> > > > > > > > > > > circumstances. Help or hinderance from unexpected> > > sources.> > > > > > Birth> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > some ancestor. The list is endless. The one i knowthe> > > > parents> > > > > > > > went> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > for prenatal test. Doctor told that it was a male> > child.> > > > The> > > > > > > > parents> > > > > > > > > > > didn't want a girl child but ultimately the girl

child> > > was> > > > > > born.> > > > > > > I> > > > > > > > > > > accept ur approach. Now lets find about theanother

> > > > condition> > > > > > > > also.> > > > > > > > > > > Regards. Kulbir.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > On 3/22/09, Vijay Goel goyalvj@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Mahajanji,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > The complete line is as under :

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > LK-1941 version, pg 147.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > " Ease shaks ki pedaish mein bhed hoga, jisko

jahir> > > karne> > > > > > mein> > > > > > > > uski> > > > > > > > > > apni> > > > > > > > > > > > juban mein bhi thatelepan ka sabut hoga "

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > This clearly means that if the person hasmercury in> > > 9th> > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > also> > > > > > > > > > > > hammering in speech than only their could bedoubt

> > in> > > > his> > > > > > > birth> > > > > > > > > else> > > > > > > > > > > > not.> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > It is more explained in LK-1952(english.pg.534):> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > An egg (of imitation) is born in H.No.9, whose

inner> > > > > > condition> > > > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > revealed by H.No. 11. Conduct of mercury in

H.No. 9> > > will> > > > be> > > > > > > > > revealed> > > > > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > > > the planet in H.No. 11.

> > > > > > > > > > > > If H.No.11 is blank,than mercury act as verymalefic> > > and> > > > > > could> > > > > > > > > > deride

> > > > > > > > > > > > father's relation with mother.> > > > > > > > > > > > Moon or ketu or jupiter in H.No.11 will makelucky,> > > > wealthy,

> > > > > > > > > > religious,> > > > > > > > > > > > and long life.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > * *

> > > > > > > > > > > > * *> > > > > > > > > > > > *> > > > > > > > > > > > Secret of mercury can be known thought the

> > > mathematical> > > > > > > > > calculation> > > > > > > > > > > > given in Lk-1942 pg. 187.> > > > > > > > > > > > The net result of calculation will show the

final> > > house> > > > > > effect> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > nature of mercury in the chart.> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > * *> > > > > > > > > > > > * *> > > > > > > > > > > > *> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The malefic effect of mercury in H No.9 is likea> > bat> > > > > > > > (chamkadarh)> > > > > > > > > > gives

> > > > > > > > > > > > loss of wealth & health (short age).> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > The best remedies suggested is

> > > > > > > > > > > > 1)Piercing the nose.> > > > > > > > > > > > 2)To keep round iron ball with red color coated.> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The explaination of remedies will be provided bythe> > > > more> > > > > > > > learned> > > > > > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > > > > > in this group.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > * *> > > > > > > > > > > > * *

> > > > > > > > > > > > *> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > If we go to mythology, mercury is the 'bustard'

son> > of> > > > > > > jupiter,> > > > > > > > > moon> > > > > > > > > > > > eloped 'Tara' the wife of jupiter, thus mercury

was> > > > born.> > > > > > > > > > > > Later Jupiter after seeing the repentance ofmercury> > > > > > accepted> > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > as> > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > student.> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > May be relation of mercury with 9th house(father> > and> > > > guru)> > > > > > > > > > indicate

> > > > > > > > > > > > this possibilty.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > This mythology can be understand in other

meaning> > > also.> > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is wisdom (truth) itself, Tara (wifealso> > > star)> > > > is> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > power> > > > > > > > > > > > behind that wisdom, whenever flickering of mind> > (moon)> > > > will> > > > > > > > occur

> > > > > > > > > > (Tara> > > > > > > > > > > > runs away with moon), only imitation (false) of> > > > knowledge> > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > occur> > > > > > > > > > ie> > > > > > > > > > > > mercury will be born. It simply means that hewill

> > be> > > > very> > > > > > > good> > > > > > > > at> > > > > > > > > > > > communication and speech but indept knowledge

will> > be> > > > > > lacking.> > > > > > > > So> > > > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > > > becoming the good student is the only way to

become> > a> > > > good> > > > > > > guru.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Thankyou,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes,> > > > > > > > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > > > > > > > Jaipur> > > > > > > > > > > > 09214502239.

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > " heartzthief54 " > > > > > > > > > > > > heartzthief54@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>

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no> > 9> > > > wale> > > > > > ki> > > > > > > > > > paidaish> > > > > > > > > > > >> mein koi bhed hoga, kripya mujh ko samjhaane ka

> > > prayas> > > > > > > > > > karein.Bahut> > > > > > > > > > > >> meharbani hogi.> > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > >> MAHAJAN> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >

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