Guest guest Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 Dear Tarun, I'm sorry for not being able to contact your e-mail address. Regards, tw , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > Dear Tarun, > > I'll try to send you those 8 pages by using scanner. > > > Best regards, > > tw > > > , " ~ Tarun ~ " <tarun_vst> > wrote: > > Dear Yogesh ji, > > > > Actually in jodhpur i dont know where to find the latest issue of > KP > > and Astrology. > > > > where can i get that book. is it availble online too? > > > > Thanks > > > > Tarun. > > > > , Yogesh Rao Lajmi > <lyrastro1> > > wrote: > > > Dear Punit,tw,Tarun et al, > > > The 2005 issue of K.P. & > > Astrology gives in fair detail about the effects of Saturn in > > different subs,and also if Sat is the significator of...various > > houses...its effects...You can combine both results and get a fair > > idea of Saturn's effects,in more detail... > > > Similarly one can do > homework > > on Mars...and then combine the results...that will be more > > correct,and in keeping with K.P. principles... > > > But certainly Tarun's effort > is > > surely not in line with K.P. principles... > > > With best wishes, > > > lyrastro1 > > > GOOD LUCK ! > > > > > > tw853 <tw853> wrote: > > > Dear Punit ji, > > > > > > Perhaps " Transit: Mars Saturn Conjubction " in KP Reader V, 1983, > pp > > > 228-234, with the conclusion--- > > > > > > applicable only when Saturn and Mars in a chart were deposited > in > > > the constellation and sub of the occupants of the houses 6, 8 > and 12 > > > which are rare, i.e. lord of constellation and lord of sub of > both > > > Saturn and Mars must be so. Therefore majority will never > suffer. > > > Only a few will. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > P.S. Relevant or not for Tarun? > > > > > > A Note on Mars/Saturn Conjunction by Chakrapani Ullal > > > > > > http://chakrapani.com/articles/articlemarssaturn.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - In , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> > wrote: > > > > Tarun ji, > > > > I remember at some place, probably in 3rd reader, Shri KSK > has > > > talked about > > > > Mars - Saturn relationship. It was in connection with > > > Spirituality. I had a > > > > quick glace on 3rd reader but unable to find one. May be you > can > > > try out > > > > yourself. > > > > Regards, > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > > > On 4/30/05, ~ Tarun ~ <tarun_vst> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > hello Group members, > > > > > > > > > > i collected some data and now posting to group for > suggestions > > > and > > > > > guidance from the group members, > > > > > > > > > > GARGHORA SASS:-- > > > > > Mangal, Úani in the 12th Bhava:- will be devoid of learning > of > > > > > Úâstras and religious commandment, be troubled by wound, > boil > > > etc., > > > > > will suffer eye disease, be unlucky and be sexually > distressed. > > > > > Mangal, Úani in the 11th Bhava:- will be famously > efficacious, > > > will > > > > > conquer his five senses, be courageous, eminent and will > always > > > enjoy > > > > > abundant robe and ornament. > > > > > Mangal, Úani: in the 10th bhava:- will have knowledge of > Vedas, > > > be > > > > > endowed with virtues, be not cunning, will have quadrupeds > and > > > sons, > > > > > be always plentiful and will possess very pleasing > appearance. > > > > > Mangal, Úani in the 9th Bhava:- will be devoid of vices, be > > > > > interested in earning by truthful means, be courageous and > will > > > like > > > > > his relatives. > > > > > Mangal, Úani in the 8th Bhava:- will be ugly, be issueless, > > will > > > have > > > > > a very wicked wife, be devoid of intelligence and virtue ad > > will > > > live > > > > > in foreign countries. > > > > > Mangal, Úani in the 7th Bhava:- will suffer from various > > > diseases, > > > > > will have a emaciated body will promote quarrels, will do > > wicked > > > acts > > > > > and will be highly beautiful. > > > > > Mangal, Úani: in the 6th Bhava:- will have firm mental > > > disposition, > > > > > will have hard (strong) limbs, will conquer his enemies, be > an > > > expert > > > > > in moral merits > > > > > Mangal, Úani in the 5th Bhava:- will have wounded limbs, be > won > > > over > > > > > by ladies, be wicked, ungrateful, impatient and be not > wealthy. > > > > > Mangal, Úani in the 4th Bhava:- will be subjected to much > > grief, > > > will > > > > > expend on bad means, be unfriendly, will perform mean acts > and > > > will > > > > > talk unnecessarily. > > > > > Mangal, Úani:in the 3rd Bhava:- will be so powerful, as a > king, > > > be > > > > > free from all kind of diseases, will head even the kings and > > > will > > > > > attain success over enemies. > > > > > Mangal, Úani in the 2nd Bhava: will have wealth, grains, > pearls > > > and > > > > > such other precious stones, will acquire few sons and be > > > untruthful. > > > > > Mangal, Úani in the 1st Bhava: will be interested in > committing > > > > > sinful acts, will defy others, be interested in speaking > > harshly > > > and > > > > > be fiercely disposed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SARAVALI SAYS:-16. MARS-SATURN YOGA. If Mars and Saturn be > > > together, > > > > > one will be a metallurgist. be expert in jugglery, be > > deceitful, > > > > > skillful in thieving, troubled by weapons and poison and be > > fond > > > of > > > > > quarrels. > > > > > YAVANA JATAKA SAYS:-21. Saturn and Mars in one sign produce > > > those who > > > > > slay with poisoned swords and who are fond of deceit, theft, > > and > > > > > fighting; men who are banished from righteousness (dharma). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shripal ji's comments on one mail Regarding MARS AND SATURN > > > > > combination .:- > > > > > > > > > > In general usually, with this conjunction, we pass > > > > > through one or more difficult periods during life, > > > > > when we are hampered by internal or external causes > > > > > and are tied hand and foot by (for example) too much > > > > > responsibility, too heavy a work load or mental > > > > > pressures of some kind. But the conjunction of the two > > > > > planets also supplies the strength to break these > > > > > shackles. Saturn can apply the energy or Mars to a > > > > > certain goal or project with great concentration for a > > > > > very long time - which is the other, very profitable, > > > > > side of the coin with this conjunction. > > > > > > > > > > Mars wants to perform action and Saturn inhibits his > > > > > action,so mentally a person gets depressed with to do > > > > > or not to do. > > > > > > > > > > Now in 12th house and Virgo sign,12th house is often > > > > > called the house of karma.Alone Saturn in this place > > > > > creates a vague fear that someone or something, a > > > > > misty or generalised fate or destiny, is going to > > > > > destroy him or control him.And Mars along with it > > > > > exaggerate that feeling.Guilt looms large with this > > > > > placement of Saturn ,the individual is frequently > > > > > unable to communicate his feelings to others, which > > > > > only increases his sense of isolation.With Mars in > > > > > 12th can be subject to disturbing fantasies and > > > > > nightmares - living out their Mars energy in their > > > > > dreams.With Mars in the 12th, people can be their own > > > > > worst enemy, acting against their own real needs. > > > > > Sometimes sexual desire brings out their buried anger, > > > > > causing them to drive away the people they want most. > > > > > > > > > > Being both in Earth sign,activity can be physically > > > > > harmful for someone.So they really have to do > > > > > meditaiton in order to channelise there energy for a > > > > > proper deed,rather than going with a life hap > > > > > hazardly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and Regards > > > > > > > > > > Tarun Agarwal, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2005 Report Share Posted May 4, 2005 Dear Tarun, You can mail Mr.K.Subramaniam,<k_subramaniam_2000 You could order the Annual & K.P. Books from : HARIMAN BOOKSELLERS, 804,Annasalai,(opp LIC Bldg.,) CHENNAI - 600 002 tel: 2852 0078, 5214 1012, 5214 1289. e-mail : krishnan With best wishes, lyrastro1 GOOD LUCK Hasmukhrai Mehta <astroclinik wrote: You can order it online at http://www.astroclinica.com ~ Tarun ~ <tarun_vst wrote: Dear Yogesh ji,Actually in jodhpur i dont know where to find the latest issue of KP and Astrology.where can i get that book. is it availble online too?Thanks Tarun. , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote:> Dear Punit,tw,Tarun et al,> The 2005 issue of K.P. & Astrology gives in fair detail about the effects of Saturn in different subs,and also if Sat is the significator of...various houses...its effects...You can combine both results and get a fair idea of Saturn's effects,in more detail...> Similarly one can do homework on Mars...and then combine the results...that will be more correct,and in keeping with K.P. principles...> But certainly Tarun's effort is surely not in line with K.P. principles...> With best wishes,> lyrastro1> GOOD LUCK !> > tw853 <tw853> wrote:> Dear Punit ji,> > Perhaps "Transit: Mars Saturn Conjubction" in KP Reader V, 1983, pp > 228-234, with the conclusion---> > applicable only when Saturn and Mars in a chart were deposited in > the constellation and sub of the occupants of the houses 6, 8 and 12> which are rare, i.e. lord of constellation and lord of sub of both > Saturn and Mars must be so. Therefore majority will never suffer. > Only a few will.> > Best regards,> > tw> > > P.S. Relevant or not for Tarun?> > A Note on Mars/Saturn Conjunction by Chakrapani Ullal> > http://chakrapani.com/articles/articlemarssaturn.htm> > > > > > - In , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote:> > Tarun ji,> > I remember at some place, probably in 3rd reader, Shri KSK has > talked about > > Mars - Saturn relationship. It was in connection with > Spirituality. I had a > > quick glace on 3rd reader but unable to find one. May be you can > try out > > yourself. > > Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > > On 4/30/05, ~ Tarun ~ <tarun_vst> wrote: > > > > > > hello Group members,> > > > > > i collected some data and now posting to group for suggestions > and > > > guidance from the group members,> > > > > > GARGHORA SASS:--> > > Mangal, Úani in the 12th Bhava:- will be devoid of learning of > > > Úâstras and religious commandment, be troubled by wound, boil > etc., > > > will suffer eye disease, be unlucky and be sexually distressed.> > > Mangal, Úani in the 11th Bhava:- will be famously efficacious, > will > > > conquer his five senses, be courageous, eminent and will always > enjoy > > > abundant robe and ornament.> > > Mangal, Úani: in the 10th bhava:- will have knowledge of Vedas, > be > > > endowed with virtues, be not cunning, will have quadrupeds and > sons, > > > be always plentiful and will possess very pleasing appearance.> > > Mangal, Úani in the 9th Bhava:- will be devoid of vices, be > > > interested in earning by truthful means, be courageous and will > like > > > his relatives.> > > Mangal, Úani in the 8th Bhava:- will be ugly, be issueless, will > have > > > a very wicked wife, be devoid of intelligence and virtue ad will > live > > > in foreign countries.> > > Mangal, Úani in the 7th Bhava:- will suffer from various > diseases, > > > will have a emaciated body will promote quarrels, will do wicked > acts > > > and will be highly beautiful.> > > Mangal, Úani: in the 6th Bhava:- will have firm mental > disposition, > > > will have hard (strong) limbs, will conquer his enemies, be an > expert > > > in moral merits> > > Mangal, Úani in the 5th Bhava:- will have wounded limbs, be won > over > > > by ladies, be wicked, ungrateful, impatient and be not wealthy.> > > Mangal, Úani in the 4th Bhava:- will be subjected to much grief, > will > > > expend on bad means, be unfriendly, will perform mean acts and > will > > > talk unnecessarily.> > > Mangal, Úani:in the 3rd Bhava:- will be so powerful, as a king, > be > > > free from all kind of diseases, will head even the kings and > will > > > attain success over enemies.> > > Mangal, Úani in the 2nd Bhava: will have wealth, grains, pearls > and > > > such other precious stones, will acquire few sons and be > untruthful.> > > Mangal, Úani in the 1st Bhava: will be interested in committing > > > sinful acts, will defy others, be interested in speaking harshly > and > > > be fiercely disposed.> > > > > > > > > SARAVALI SAYS:-16. MARS-SATURN YOGA. If Mars and Saturn be > together, > > > one will be a metallurgist. be expert in jugglery, be deceitful, > > > skillful in thieving, troubled by weapons and poison and be fond > of > > > quarrels. > > > YAVANA JATAKA SAYS:-21. Saturn and Mars in one sign produce > those who > > > slay with poisoned swords and who are fond of deceit, theft, and > > > fighting; men who are banished from righteousness (dharma).> > > > > > > > > Shripal ji's comments on one mail Regarding MARS AND SATURN > > > combination .:-> > > > > > In general usually, with this conjunction, we pass> > > through one or more difficult periods during life,> > > when we are hampered by internal or external causes> > > and are tied hand and foot by (for example) too much> > > responsibility, too heavy a work load or mental> > > pressures of some kind. But the conjunction of the two> > > planets also supplies the strength to break these> > > shackles. Saturn can apply the energy or Mars to a> > > certain goal or project with great concentration for a> > > very long time - which is the other, very profitable,> > > side of the coin with this conjunction.> > > > > > Mars wants to perform action and Saturn inhibits his> > > action,so mentally a person gets depressed with to do> > > or not to do.> > > > > > Now in 12th house and Virgo sign,12th house is often> > > called the house of karma.Alone Saturn in this place> > > creates a vague fear that someone or something, a> > > misty or generalised fate or destiny, is going to> > > destroy him or control him.And Mars along with it> > > exaggerate that feeling.Guilt looms large with this> > > placement of Saturn ,the individual is frequently> > > unable to communicate his feelings to others, which> > > only increases his sense of isolation.With Mars in> > > 12th can be subject to disturbing fantasies and> > > nightmares - living out their Mars energy in their> > > dreams.With Mars in the 12th, people can be their own> > > worst enemy, acting against their own real needs.> > > Sometimes sexual desire brings out their buried anger,> > > causing them to drive away the people they want most.> > > > > > Being both in Earth sign,activity can be physically> > > harmful for someone.So they really have to do> > > meditaiton in order to channelise there energy for a> > > proper deed,rather than going with a life hap> > > hazardly.> > > > > > > > > thanks and Regards> > > > > > Tarun Agarwal,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------> > > * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2005 Report Share Posted May 4, 2005 Dear Tarun, You can mail Mr.K.Subramaniam,<k_subramaniam_2000 You could order the Annual & K.P. Books from : HARIMAN BOOKSELLERS, 804,Annasalai,(opp LIC Bldg.,) CHENNAI - 600 002 tel: 2852 0078, 5214 1012, 5214 1289. e-mail : krishnan With best wishes, lyrastro1 GOOD LUCK Hasmukhrai Mehta <astroclinik wrote: You can order it online at http://www.astroclinica.com ~ Tarun ~ <tarun_vst wrote: Dear Yogesh ji,Actually in jodhpur i dont know where to find the latest issue of KP and Astrology.where can i get that book. is it availble online too?Thanks Tarun. , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote:> Dear Punit,tw,Tarun et al,> The 2005 issue of K.P. & Astrology gives in fair detail about the effects of Saturn in different subs,and also if Sat is the significator of...various houses...its effects...You can combine both results and get a fair idea of Saturn's effects,in more detail...> Similarly one can do homework on Mars...and then combine the results...that will be more correct,and in keeping with K.P. principles...> But certainly Tarun's effort is surely not in line with K.P. principles...> With best wishes,> lyrastro1> GOOD LUCK !> > tw853 <tw853> wrote:> Dear Punit ji,> > Perhaps "Transit: Mars Saturn Conjubction" in KP Reader V, 1983, pp > 228-234, with the conclusion---> > applicable only when Saturn and Mars in a chart were deposited in > the constellation and sub of the occupants of the houses 6, 8 and 12> which are rare, i.e. lord of constellation and lord of sub of both > Saturn and Mars must be so. Therefore majority will never suffer. > Only a few will.> > Best regards,> > tw> > > P.S. Relevant or not for Tarun?> > A Note on Mars/Saturn Conjunction by Chakrapani Ullal> > http://chakrapani.com/articles/articlemarssaturn.htm> > > > > > - In , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote:> > Tarun ji,> > I remember at some place, probably in 3rd reader, Shri KSK has > talked about > > Mars - Saturn relationship. It was in connection with > Spirituality. I had a > > quick glace on 3rd reader but unable to find one. May be you can > try out > > yourself. > > Regards,> > Punit Pandey> > > > On 4/30/05, ~ Tarun ~ <tarun_vst> wrote: > > > > > > hello Group members,> > > > > > i collected some data and now posting to group for suggestions > and > > > guidance from the group members,> > > > > > GARGHORA SASS:--> > > Mangal, Úani in the 12th Bhava:- will be devoid of learning of > > > Úâstras and religious commandment, be troubled by wound, boil > etc., > > > will suffer eye disease, be unlucky and be sexually distressed.> > > Mangal, Úani in the 11th Bhava:- will be famously efficacious, > will > > > conquer his five senses, be courageous, eminent and will always > enjoy > > > abundant robe and ornament.> > > Mangal, Úani: in the 10th bhava:- will have knowledge of Vedas, > be > > > endowed with virtues, be not cunning, will have quadrupeds and > sons, > > > be always plentiful and will possess very pleasing appearance.> > > Mangal, Úani in the 9th Bhava:- will be devoid of vices, be > > > interested in earning by truthful means, be courageous and will > like > > > his relatives.> > > Mangal, Úani in the 8th Bhava:- will be ugly, be issueless, will > have > > > a very wicked wife, be devoid of intelligence and virtue ad will > live > > > in foreign countries.> > > Mangal, Úani in the 7th Bhava:- will suffer from various > diseases, > > > will have a emaciated body will promote quarrels, will do wicked > acts > > > and will be highly beautiful.> > > Mangal, Úani: in the 6th Bhava:- will have firm mental > disposition, > > > will have hard (strong) limbs, will conquer his enemies, be an > expert > > > in moral merits> > > Mangal, Úani in the 5th Bhava:- will have wounded limbs, be won > over > > > by ladies, be wicked, ungrateful, impatient and be not wealthy.> > > Mangal, Úani in the 4th Bhava:- will be subjected to much grief, > will > > > expend on bad means, be unfriendly, will perform mean acts and > will > > > talk unnecessarily.> > > Mangal, Úani:in the 3rd Bhava:- will be so powerful, as a king, > be > > > free from all kind of diseases, will head even the kings and > will > > > attain success over enemies.> > > Mangal, Úani in the 2nd Bhava: will have wealth, grains, pearls > and > > > such other precious stones, will acquire few sons and be > untruthful.> > > Mangal, Úani in the 1st Bhava: will be interested in committing > > > sinful acts, will defy others, be interested in speaking harshly > and > > > be fiercely disposed.> > > > > > > > > SARAVALI SAYS:-16. MARS-SATURN YOGA. If Mars and Saturn be > together, > > > one will be a metallurgist. be expert in jugglery, be deceitful, > > > skillful in thieving, troubled by weapons and poison and be fond > of > > > quarrels. > > > YAVANA JATAKA SAYS:-21. Saturn and Mars in one sign produce > those who > > > slay with poisoned swords and who are fond of deceit, theft, and > > > fighting; men who are banished from righteousness (dharma).> > > > > > > > > Shripal ji's comments on one mail Regarding MARS AND SATURN > > > combination .:-> > > > > > In general usually, with this conjunction, we pass> > > through one or more difficult periods during life,> > > when we are hampered by internal or external causes> > > and are tied hand and foot by (for example) too much> > > responsibility, too heavy a work load or mental> > > pressures of some kind. But the conjunction of the two> > > planets also supplies the strength to break these> > > shackles. Saturn can apply the energy or Mars to a> > > certain goal or project with great concentration for a> > > very long time - which is the other, very profitable,> > > side of the coin with this conjunction.> > > > > > Mars wants to perform action and Saturn inhibits his> > > action,so mentally a person gets depressed with to do> > > or not to do.> > > > > > Now in 12th house and Virgo sign,12th house is often> > > called the house of karma.Alone Saturn in this place> > > creates a vague fear that someone or something, a> > > misty or generalised fate or destiny, is going to> > > destroy him or control him.And Mars along with it> > > exaggerate that feeling.Guilt looms large with this> > > placement of Saturn ,the individual is frequently> > > unable to communicate his feelings to others, which> > > only increases his sense of isolation.With Mars in> > > 12th can be subject to disturbing fantasies and> > > nightmares - living out their Mars energy in their> > > dreams.With Mars in the 12th, people can be their own> > > worst enemy, acting against their own real needs.> > > Sometimes sexual desire brings out their buried anger,> > > causing them to drive away the people they want most.> > > > > > Being both in Earth sign,activity can be physically> > > harmful for someone.So they really have to do> > > meditaiton in order to channelise there energy for a> > > proper deed,rather than going with a life hap> > > hazardly.> > > > > > > > > thanks and Regards> > > > > > Tarun Agarwal,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------> > > * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2005 Report Share Posted May 5, 2005 Dear Yogesh ji, Thanks for replying and providing me the addresses. I will mail him for the further information abt the subscription.. thanks tarun , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> wrote: > Dear Tarun, > You can mail Mr.K.Subramaniam,<k_subramaniam_2000> > You could order the Annual & K.P. Books from : > HARIMAN BOOKSELLERS, > 804,Annasalai,(opp LIC Bldg.,) > CHENNAI - 600 002 > tel: 2852 0078, 5214 1012, 5214 1289. > e-mail : krishnan@n... > With best wishes, > lyrastro1 > GOOD LUCK > > Hasmukhrai Mehta <astroclinik> wrote: > You can order it online at http://www.astroclinica.com > > > ~ Tarun ~ <tarun_vst> wrote: > Dear Yogesh ji, > > Actually in jodhpur i dont know where to find the latest issue of KP > and Astrology. > > where can i get that book. is it availble online too? > > Thanks > > Tarun. > > , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1> > wrote: > > Dear Punit,tw,Tarun et al, > > The 2005 issue of K.P. & > Astrology gives in fair detail about the effects of Saturn in > different subs,and also if Sat is the significator of...various > houses...its effects...You can combine both results and get a fair > idea of Saturn's effects,in more detail... > > Similarly one can do homework > on Mars...and then combine the results...that will be more > correct,and in keeping with K.P. principles... > > But certainly Tarun's effort is > surely not in line with K.P. principles... > > With best wishes, > > lyrastro1 > > GOOD LUCK ! > > > > tw853 <tw853> wrote: > > Dear Punit ji, > > > > Perhaps " Transit: Mars Saturn Conjubction " in KP Reader V, 1983, pp > > 228-234, with the conclusion--- > > > > applicable only when Saturn and Mars in a chart were deposited in > > the constellation and sub of the occupants of the houses 6, 8 and 12 > > which are rare, i.e. lord of constellation and lord of sub of both > > Saturn and Mars must be so. Therefore majority will never suffer. > > Only a few will. > > > > Best regards, > > > > tw > > > > > > P.S. Relevant or not for Tarun? > > > > A Note on Mars/Saturn Conjunction by Chakrapani Ullal > > > > http://chakrapani.com/articles/articlemarssaturn.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > - In , Punit Pandey <punitp@g...> wrote: > > > Tarun ji, > > > I remember at some place, probably in 3rd reader, Shri KSK has > > talked about > > > Mars - Saturn relationship. It was in connection with > > Spirituality. I had a > > > quick glace on 3rd reader but unable to find one. May be you can > > try out > > > yourself. > > > Regards, > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > On 4/30/05, ~ Tarun ~ <tarun_vst> wrote: > > > > > > > > hello Group members, > > > > > > > > i collected some data and now posting to group for suggestions > > and > > > > guidance from the group members, > > > > > > > > GARGHORA SASS:-- > > > > Mangal, Úani in the 12th Bhava:- will be devoid of learning of > > > > Úâstras and religious commandment, be troubled by wound, boil > > etc., > > > > will suffer eye disease, be unlucky and be sexually distressed. > > > > Mangal, Úani in the 11th Bhava:- will be famously efficacious, > > will > > > > conquer his five senses, be courageous, eminent and will always > > enjoy > > > > abundant robe and ornament. > > > > Mangal, Úani: in the 10th bhava:- will have knowledge of Vedas, > > be > > > > endowed with virtues, be not cunning, will have quadrupeds and > > sons, > > > > be always plentiful and will possess very pleasing appearance. > > > > Mangal, Úani in the 9th Bhava:- will be devoid of vices, be > > > > interested in earning by truthful means, be courageous and will > > like > > > > his relatives. > > > > Mangal, Úani in the 8th Bhava:- will be ugly, be issueless, > will > > have > > > > a very wicked wife, be devoid of intelligence and virtue ad > will > > live > > > > in foreign countries. > > > > Mangal, Úani in the 7th Bhava:- will suffer from various > > diseases, > > > > will have a emaciated body will promote quarrels, will do > wicked > > acts > > > > and will be highly beautiful. > > > > Mangal, Úani: in the 6th Bhava:- will have firm mental > > disposition, > > > > will have hard (strong) limbs, will conquer his enemies, be an > > expert > > > > in moral merits > > > > Mangal, Úani in the 5th Bhava:- will have wounded limbs, be won > > over > > > > by ladies, be wicked, ungrateful, impatient and be not wealthy. > > > > Mangal, Úani in the 4th Bhava:- will be subjected to much > grief, > > will > > > > expend on bad means, be unfriendly, will perform mean acts and > > will > > > > talk unnecessarily. > > > > Mangal, Úani:in the 3rd Bhava:- will be so powerful, as a king, > > be > > > > free from all kind of diseases, will head even the kings and > > will > > > > attain success over enemies. > > > > Mangal, Úani in the 2nd Bhava: will have wealth, grains, pearls > > and > > > > such other precious stones, will acquire few sons and be > > untruthful. > > > > Mangal, Úani in the 1st Bhava: will be interested in committing > > > > sinful acts, will defy others, be interested in speaking > harshly > > and > > > > be fiercely disposed. > > > > > > > > > > > > SARAVALI SAYS:-16. MARS-SATURN YOGA. If Mars and Saturn be > > together, > > > > one will be a metallurgist. be expert in jugglery, be > deceitful, > > > > skillful in thieving, troubled by weapons and poison and be > fond > > of > > > > quarrels. > > > > YAVANA JATAKA SAYS:-21. Saturn and Mars in one sign produce > > those who > > > > slay with poisoned swords and who are fond of deceit, theft, > and > > > > fighting; men who are banished from righteousness (dharma). > > > > > > > > > > > > Shripal ji's comments on one mail Regarding MARS AND SATURN > > > > combination .:- > > > > > > > > In general usually, with this conjunction, we pass > > > > through one or more difficult periods during life, > > > > when we are hampered by internal or external causes > > > > and are tied hand and foot by (for example) too much > > > > responsibility, too heavy a work load or mental > > > > pressures of some kind. But the conjunction of the two > > > > planets also supplies the strength to break these > > > > shackles. Saturn can apply the energy or Mars to a > > > > certain goal or project with great concentration for a > > > > very long time - which is the other, very profitable, > > > > side of the coin with this conjunction. > > > > > > > > Mars wants to perform action and Saturn inhibits his > > > > action,so mentally a person gets depressed with to do > > > > or not to do. > > > > > > > > Now in 12th house and Virgo sign,12th house is often > > > > called the house of karma.Alone Saturn in this place > > > > creates a vague fear that someone or something, a > > > > misty or generalised fate or destiny, is going to > > > > destroy him or control him.And Mars along with it > > > > exaggerate that feeling.Guilt looms large with this > > > > placement of Saturn ,the individual is frequently > > > > unable to communicate his feelings to others, which > > > > only increases his sense of isolation.With Mars in > > > > 12th can be subject to disturbing fantasies and > > > > nightmares - living out their Mars energy in their > > > > dreams.With Mars in the 12th, people can be their own > > > > worst enemy, acting against their own real needs. > > > > Sometimes sexual desire brings out their buried anger, > > > > causing them to drive away the people they want most. > > > > > > > > Being both in Earth sign,activity can be physically > > > > harmful for someone.So they really have to do > > > > meditaiton in order to channelise there energy for a > > > > proper deed,rather than going with a life hap > > > > hazardly. > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks and Regards > > > > > > > > Tarun Agarwal, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 Respected Priya ji, Varun ji and Mahajan ji � For�Saturn and Mars together in 8th house, one of the upaya mentioned is establishing�the Shamshan water in the house. In such a condition ie Sat+Mars in 8th house, is keeping an oven akin to establising an iron tandoor/ bhatti in the house? should therefore having an oven in the house would have bad effects? would it give bad results even after 40 yrs of age? � Sat + Mars in 9th house would give bad effects only if Mercury is in 3,5 or 9th house. In case this conjunction is free from any malefic effect of Mercury, then if any yagya-pujan or celebration is done for any elder in the house, it gives very auspicious results and is considered 'kismat jaganey wala asar'. � your comments pl. and clarification about sat+mars in 8 H and keeping an oven in the house. � regards � Sharat � � On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 3:50 PM, heartzthief54 <heartzthief54 wrote: Varun Jee,Sat+mars+jupiter+rahu ke baare mein lal kitab ne clear likha hai yehshaksh chor, thug,daku ka sardar hoga (sat+mar =chor chor mausere bhai +guru yani ki chor thug ka guru) abb rahu ka kya kaam hai , dhayan se dekhe/padhe to bahut hee mazedar baat niklati hai kee rahu ka yahan kyakaam hai ? khud hee chori ke liye uksayega aur khud hee police ko batadega ki wahan aaj chori ya daka padega.Matlab saaf kee unko pakdo aur mera hissa mukjko do.Aaj ke zamane ke hisab se aisa jatak mere khayal se koi politician yaIPS ya bahut hee bada Tout type ka insaan hona chahiye ya hoga.(unkoyehi kaam suit karega yeh mera apna vichar hai ) Aur yeh charo (4) star shayad may 1980 about 31st ko ikathe huethey.kyonki maine aise teve dekhe hain. Woh Jatak kya karte hain ya kyahain, unka yahan jikar na to karna chahta hoon na hee karna achhasamjhata hoon. MAHAJAN , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote:> > Respected Goel saheb,>> Longitudes of planets are an astronomical reality, and when necessarythey have to be taken into consideration.>> You have put this combination into a straight jacket , in 9th dharma raj everywhere else yamraj. In the Lal Kitab, it is not as simple asthat. The combination has its 'nek' and 'manda' effects across houses.>> With respect and regards,>> Varun Trivedi >>>>>>>>> , Gopal Goel gkgoel1937@wrote: > >> > Dear Mr. VARUN� TRIVEDY JI , > > Once you talk about Degrees of planets , then other principile ofastrological> > will be applicable.> > In any case if Saturn and Mars are togeather in 9H , THEY ACT AS DHARMARAJA,> > in any other house they act as yamraj.> > Regards,> >> > � G.K.GOEL > > Ph: 09350311433> > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR> > NEW DELHI-110 076> > INDIA> >> >> >> >> > ________________________________ > > varun_trvd varun_trvd@> > > > Monday, 20 April, 2009 7:05:38 PM > > LK discussion group Re: Mare's milk> >> >> >> >> >> > Respected Pardeep ji,> > Since you are studying Lal Kitab, you should be very careful while reading.> > The Mare's milk remedy has not been mentioned for Mars + saturn inthe 12th house.> > It has been mentioned as a remedy if this combination is afflictedor for mandi halat. In my previous message I had quoted the exact context in which this upaya is needed.> > If this combination is in the 12th house it should not need an upayabecause because for the 12th house it says� : > > asar dono den apana apana, nek bhala aur umda do> > Rahu bura na teve hoga, na hi ketu budh manda ho> > You have talked about 4 planets in the 12th house. You can not form Masnuyee planets at random. There has to be a system while doing it. Theaccepted system is that only those planets can form a masnuyee planetwho have the longitudinal proximity within them.> > Of these 4 planets suppose you have: > > saturn at 5 degrees> > Rahu at 7 d> > Mars at� 9 d > > Jupiter at 27d> > In this case, you can not form a masnuyee mercury through adding upJupiter and rahu because there is no proximity between them; mars is inbetween them. > > You can not form a masnuyee with saturn and mars because they againare not together because rahu comes in between.> > Therefore in this combination you can not form any masnuyee planet.> > As for the Upaya, I am afraid I can not suggest as per the rules of this group.> > As for the� elephant tail hair upaya, I can not find a logic asto why� the learned Lal Kitab astrologer from Phagwara suggested it to be worn in a ring, unless he wanted to use the hair as a substitutefor a� gem.> > Since� we [ Aligarh group] are� against wearing any kind of gems I wouldn't know much about it.> > Regards,> > Varun Trivedi> >> > �> > �> > �> > �> > � > > , " kapoorpardeep " <kapoorpardeep@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Respected Varun Ji,> > >> > > Thanks for your prompt regarding both of my queries. > > >> > > Regarding Mare's milk it is mentioned in Arun Samhita 1952 editionpage 349 for house number 12. Sir, as you mentioned, Mars+Saturn = Rahu.It is also mentioned that Mars+Saturn makes benefic Rahu. So, please suggest me why this upaya suggested for a benefic Rahu.> > >> > > Sir, if in a particular horoscope there is a combination ofSaturn+Mars+ Rahu+Jupiter in 12th house please suggest whether in this horoscope need to suggest Mare's first milk upaya or some other as therecan be combination for with this four planets:> > >> > > Saturn+Mars = Benefic Rahu> > > This makes Benefic Rahu+Rahu+Jupiter > > >> > > OR> > >> > > Jupiter+Rahu = Mercury> > > Mercury+Saturn+ Mars> > > For this particular combination now upaya suggest is offering " batashe " in temple. > > >> > > Please clear my doubts or suggest appropriate upaya for thiscombination. I know this is not a group for suggesting remedies forindividual horoscope, but if it is possible please suggest upaya for this combination.> > >> > > Regarding hair of an elephant tail I heard about this upaya fromlal kitab astrologer in Phagwara who suggesting this upaya to one of myknown to place hair of elephant tail in your ring not in home. > > >> > > I am just starting reading this holy book. If I make any mistakeplease correct me.> > >> > >> > > Thanks and Regards,> > >> > > > > >> > >> > >> > > , " varun_trvd " varun_trvd@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Respected Pardeep ji > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Mare’s milk> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > There is no mention of the mare’s milk remedy in the 1941 or 1942> > > > editions for Mars + Saturn combination. It has been added in the1952.> > >> > > > edition :> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > “ ghodi jab bachcha deve to uska pahali dafa ka doodh jouske> > > > [ghori ke] bachche ne abhi peena shuru na kiya ho nikal karsheeshe ke> > > > bartan mein qayam rakhe to dhan daulat ki barkat bhi hogi aur daake ke> > > > vaqayat ya gaibi dhokhebaji se bachav bhi hota rahega�� > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 883 ]> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > Mars + Saturn form a Rahu. Therefore the results of thiscombination> > > > would largely depend on the nature of Rahu. The remedy of establishing> > > > mare’s first milk at home could be necessary if the above> > > > combination is afflicted.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Mare [moon], her milk [moon] has been advised to be kept in > > > > ‘sheeshe ka bartan’, a glass [mercury] container.This> > > > will keep Rahu contained and at the same time mercury in checkbecause a> > > > malefic mercury in this context will : > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > “ shanishchar ki miyad [36 -39] tak rishtedaron aur khudteve> > > > wale ka sab kuchh [ dhan,daulat, mard,aurat] ura de ya ujad deve�� > > > > [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 883]> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > The moon + mercury combination has been described as auspiciousfor > > > > ‘gaibi haal’ and also ‘ dhan daulatumda’ [> > > > 1941 urdu ed; page 262]> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > What I fail to understand is why a mare’s milk ? Why not a silver> > > > slab [ chandi ki eent]> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Hair of an elephant :> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > There is no mention in the Lal Kitab about it. I am also notaware of> > > > any folk tradition which recommends keeping at home a hair of an> > > > elephant's tail. > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Astrologically speaking, this might be one of the remedies for amalefic> > > > Rahu. Sun + Saturn form a malefic Rahu. Therefore taking away a hair> > > > [saturn] from an elephant [rahu] will amount to separating theSaturn> > > > from the above combination [sun + Saturn] and as a resultleaving only a> > > > sun behind. > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > If that is so, then I will not advise any one keeping the hairat home> > > > just like it. It should be kept dipped in ganga jal, so that the Saturn> > > > stays cool.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Except for the mars + saturn combination the mare's milk hasbeen> > > > mentioned in one more context i.e. mars + ketu where it is used in> > > > washing the fruits needed in upaya.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > There is no mention in the Lal Kitab of hair from an elephant's tail.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , " kapoorpardeep " > > > > <kapoorpardeep@> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > Respected Sirs,> > > > >> > > > > There is a upaya given in Arun Samhita 1952 Lal Kitab editionfor the> > > > combination of mars and saturn to keep Mare's first milk. Also, I heard> > > > about keeping the elephant's tail hair. I would like to know itis for> > > > which purpose one need to keep Mare's first milk and elephanttail hair> > > > or is there any other combination for which this upaya needs to do.> > > > Please elaborate the reason behind this upaya.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks and Regards,> > > > >> > > >> > > > >> >> >> >> > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go tohttp://messenger./invite/> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 Respected Sharat ji, I believe, under normal circumstances, the adverse effects should be only upto the age of 40 if Mars is malefic and/or Rahu is malefic. The adverse efects might continue even beyond the age of 40 if one turns either of these planets or Rahu into malefic through his own action. Yes if placed in the 9th and not afflicted by mercury, a 'pitra yagya' is advised and yes this combination should act as an accelerator of Bhagya. I think keeping at home an electric oven in good condition should not make a difference. An out of order oven would indicate a Rahu gone malefic and therefore care should be taken. Regards, Varun Trivedi , sharat pandit <sharatpandit wrote: > > Respected Priya ji, Varun ji and Mahajan ji > > For Saturn and Mars together in 8th house, one of the upaya mentioned is > establishing the Shamshan water in the house. In such a condition ie > Sat+Mars in 8th house, is keeping an oven akin to establising an iron > tandoor/ bhatti in the house? should therefore having an oven in the house > would have bad effects? would it give bad results even after 40 yrs of age? > > Sat + Mars in 9th house would give bad effects only if Mercury is in 3,5 or > 9th house. In case this conjunction is free from any malefic effect of > Mercury, then if any yagya-pujan or celebration is done for any elder in the > house, it gives very auspicious results and is considered 'kismat jaganey > wala asar'. > > your comments pl. and clarification about sat+mars in 8 H and keeping an > oven in the house. > > regards > > Sharat > > > > On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 3:50 PM, heartzthief54 <heartzthief54wrote: > > > > > > > Varun Jee, > > > > Sat+mars+jupiter+rahu ke baare mein lal kitab ne clear likha hai yeh > > shaksh chor, thug,daku ka sardar hoga (sat+mar =chor chor mausere bhai + > > guru yani ki chor thug ka guru) abb rahu ka kya kaam hai , dhayan se > > dekhe/padhe to bahut hee mazedar baat niklati hai kee rahu ka yahan kya > > kaam hai ? khud hee chori ke liye uksayega aur khud hee police ko bata > > dega ki wahan aaj chori ya daka padega.Matlab saaf kee unko pakdo aur > > mera hissa mukjko do. > > > > Aaj ke zamane ke hisab se aisa jatak mere khayal se koi politician ya > > IPS ya bahut hee bada Tout type ka insaan hona chahiye ya hoga.(unko > > yehi kaam suit karega yeh mera apna vichar hai ) > > > > Aur yeh charo (4) star shayad may 1980 about 31st ko ikathe hue > > they.kyonki maine aise teve dekhe hain. Woh Jatak kya karte hain ya kya > > hain, unka yahan jikar na to karna chahta hoon na hee karna achha > > samjhata hoon. > > > > MAHAJAN > > > > --- In <%40>, > > " varun_trvd " > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Goel saheb, > > > > > > Longitudes of planets are an astronomical reality, and when necessary > > they have to be taken into consideration. > > > > > > You have put this combination into a straight jacket , in 9th dharma > > raj everywhere else yamraj. In the Lal Kitab, it is not as simple as > > that. The combination has its 'nek' and 'manda' effects across houses. > > > > > > With respect and regards, > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40>, > > Gopal Goel gkgoel1937@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. VARUN� TRIVEDY JI , > > > > Once you talk about Degrees of planets , then other principile of > > astrological > > > > will be applicable. > > > > In any case if Saturn and Mars are togeather in 9H , THEY ACT AS > > DHARMARAJA, > > > > in any other house they act as yamraj. > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > � G.K.GOEL > > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > varun_trvd varun_trvd@ > > > > To: <%40> > > > > Monday, 20 April, 2009 7:05:38 PM > > > > LK discussion group Re: Mare's milk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Pardeep ji, > > > > Since you are studying Lal Kitab, you should be very careful while > > reading. > > > > The Mare's milk remedy has not been mentioned for Mars + saturn in > > the 12th house. > > > > It has been mentioned as a remedy if this combination is afflicted > > or for mandi halat. In my previous message I had quoted the exact > > context in which this upaya is needed. > > > > If this combination is in the 12th house it should not need an upaya > > because because for the 12th house it says� : > > > > asar dono den apana apana, nek bhala aur umda do > > > > Rahu bura na teve hoga, na hi ketu budh manda ho > > > > You have talked about 4 planets in the 12th house. You can not form > > Masnuyee planets at random. There has to be a system while doing it. The > > accepted system is that only those planets can form a masnuyee planet > > who have the longitudinal proximity within them. > > > > Of these 4 planets suppose you have: > > > > saturn at 5 degrees > > > > Rahu at 7 d > > > > Mars at� 9 d > > > > Jupiter at 27d > > > > In this case, you can not form a masnuyee mercury through adding up > > Jupiter and rahu because there is no proximity between them; mars is in > > between them. > > > > You can not form a masnuyee with saturn and mars because they again > > are not together because rahu comes in between. > > > > Therefore in this combination you can not form any masnuyee planet. > > > > As for the Upaya, I am afraid I can not suggest as per the rules of > > this group. > > > > As for the� elephant tail hair upaya, I can not find a logic as > > to why� the learned Lal Kitab astrologer from Phagwara suggested it > > to be worn in a ring, unless he wanted to use the hair as a substitute > > for a� gem. > > > > Since� we [ Aligarh group] are� against wearing any kind of > > gems I wouldn't know much about it. > > > > Regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > � > > > > � > > > > � > > > > � > > > > � > > > > > > , " kapoorpardeep " > > <kapoorpardeep@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Respected Varun Ji, > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your prompt regarding both of my queries. > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Mare's milk it is mentioned in Arun Samhita 1952 edition > > page 349 for house number 12. Sir, as you mentioned, Mars+Saturn = Rahu. > > It is also mentioned that Mars+Saturn makes benefic Rahu. So, please > > suggest me why this upaya suggested for a benefic Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > Sir, if in a particular horoscope there is a combination of > > Saturn+Mars+ Rahu+Jupiter in 12th house please suggest whether in this > > horoscope need to suggest Mare's first milk upaya or some other as there > > can be combination for with this four planets: > > > > > > > > > > Saturn+Mars = Benefic Rahu > > > > > This makes Benefic Rahu+Rahu+Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > OR > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter+Rahu = Mercury > > > > > Mercury+Saturn+ Mars > > > > > For this particular combination now upaya suggest is offering > > " batashe " in temple. > > > > > > > > > > Please clear my doubts or suggest appropriate upaya for this > > combination. I know this is not a group for suggesting remedies for > > individual horoscope, but if it is possible please suggest upaya for > > this combination. > > > > > > > > > > Regarding hair of an elephant tail I heard about this upaya from > > lal kitab astrologer in Phagwara who suggesting this upaya to one of my > > known to place hair of elephant tail in your ring not in home. > > > > > > > > > > I am just starting reading this holy book. If I make any mistake > > please correct me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " varun_trvd " > > varun_trvd@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Pardeep ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mare’s milk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no mention of the mare’s milk remedy in the 1941 > > or 1942 > > > > > > editions for Mars + Saturn combination. It has been added in the > > 1952. > > > > > > > > > > > edition : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > “ ghodi jab bachcha deve to uska pahali dafa ka doodh jo > > uske > > > > > > [ghori ke] bachche ne abhi peena shuru na kiya ho nikal kar > > sheeshe ke > > > > > > bartan mein qayam rakhe to dhan daulat ki barkat bhi hogi aur > > daake ke > > > > > > vaqayat ya gaibi dhokhebaji se bachav bhi hota rahega�� > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 883 ] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars + Saturn form a Rahu. Therefore the results of this > > combination > > > > > > would largely depend on the nature of Rahu. The remedy of > > establishing > > > > > > mare’s first milk at home could be necessary if the above > > > > > > combination is afflicted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mare [moon], her milk [moon] has been advised to be kept in > > > > > > ‘sheeshe ka bartan’, a glass [mercury] container. > > This > > > > > > will keep Rahu contained and at the same time mercury in check > > because a > > > > > > malefic mercury in this context will : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > “ shanishchar ki miyad [36 -39] tak rishtedaron aur khud > > teve > > > > > > wale ka sab kuchh [ dhan,daulat, mard,aurat] ura de ya ujad > > deve�� > > > > > > [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 883] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The moon + mercury combination has been described as auspicious > > for > > > > > > ‘gaibi haal’ and also ‘ dhan daulat > > umda’ [ > > > > > > 1941 urdu ed; page 262] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What I fail to understand is why a mare’s milk ? Why not > > a silver > > > > > > slab [ chandi ki eent] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hair of an elephant : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no mention in the Lal Kitab about it. I am also not > > aware of > > > > > > any folk tradition which recommends keeping at home a hair of an > > > > > > elephant's tail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologically speaking, this might be one of the remedies for a > > malefic > > > > > > Rahu. Sun + Saturn form a malefic Rahu. Therefore taking away a > > hair > > > > > > [saturn] from an elephant [rahu] will amount to separating the > > Saturn > > > > > > from the above combination [sun + Saturn] and as a result > > leaving only a > > > > > > sun behind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If that is so, then I will not advise any one keeping the hair > > at home > > > > > > just like it. It should be kept dipped in ganga jal, so that the > > Saturn > > > > > > stays cool. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for the mars + saturn combination the mare's milk has > > been > > > > > > mentioned in one more context i.e. mars + ketu where it is used > > in > > > > > > washing the fruits needed in upaya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no mention in the Lal Kitab of hair from an elephant's > > tail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kapoorpardeep " > > > > > > <kapoorpardeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Sirs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a upaya given in Arun Samhita 1952 Lal Kitab edition > > for the > > > > > > combination of mars and saturn to keep Mare's first milk. Also, > > I heard > > > > > > about keeping the elephant's tail hair. I would like to know it > > is for > > > > > > which purpose one need to keep Mare's first milk and elephant > > tail hair > > > > > > or is there any other combination for which this upaya needs to > > do. > > > > > > Please elaborate the reason behind this upaya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to > > http://messenger./invite/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 Respected Varun Ji - Are we suggesting that under no circumstance this combination can yield positive results?Best Regards,IqbalUSA Sent via Blackberry "varun_trvd" Sat, 25 Apr 2009 06:08:22 -0000LK discussion group Re: Saturn + Mars Respected Sharat ji, I believe, under normal circumstances, the adverse effects should be only upto the age of 40 if Mars is malefic and/or Rahu is malefic. The adverse efects might continue even beyond the age of 40 if one turns either of these planets or Rahu into malefic through his own action. Yes if placed in the 9th and not afflicted by mercury, a 'pitra yagya' is advised and yes this combination should act as an accelerator of Bhagya. I think keeping at home an electric oven in good condition should not make a difference. An out of order oven would indicate a Rahu gone malefic and therefore care should be taken. Regards, Varun Trivedi , sharat pandit <sharatpandit wrote: > > Respected Priya ji, Varun ji and Mahajan ji > > For Saturn and Mars together in 8th house, one of the upaya mentioned is > establishing the Shamshan water in the house. In such a condition ie > Sat+Mars in 8th house, is keeping an oven akin to establising an iron > tandoor/ bhatti in the house? should therefore having an oven in the house > would have bad effects? would it give bad results even after 40 yrs of age? > > Sat + Mars in 9th house would give bad effects only if Mercury is in 3,5 or > 9th house. In case this conjunction is free from any malefic effect of > Mercury, then if any yagya-pujan or celebration is done for any elder in the > house, it gives very auspicious results and is considered 'kismat jaganey > wala asar'. > > your comments pl. and clarification about sat+mars in 8 H and keeping an > oven in the house. > > regards > > Sharat > > > > On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 3:50 PM, heartzthief54 <heartzthief54wrote: > > > > > > > Varun Jee, > > > > Sat+mars+jupiter+rahu ke baare mein lal kitab ne clear likha hai yeh > > shaksh chor, thug,daku ka sardar hoga (sat+mar =chor chor mausere bhai + > > guru yani ki chor thug ka guru) abb rahu ka kya kaam hai , dhayan se > > dekhe/padhe to bahut hee mazedar baat niklati hai kee rahu ka yahan kya > > kaam hai ? khud hee chori ke liye uksayega aur khud hee police ko bata > > dega ki wahan aaj chori ya daka padega.Matlab saaf kee unko pakdo aur > > mera hissa mukjko do. > > > > Aaj ke zamane ke hisab se aisa jatak mere khayal se koi politician ya > > IPS ya bahut hee bada Tout type ka insaan hona chahiye ya hoga.(unko > > yehi kaam suit karega yeh mera apna vichar hai ) > > > > Aur yeh charo (4) star shayad may 1980 about 31st ko ikathe hue > > they.kyonki maine aise teve dekhe hain. Woh Jatak kya karte hain ya kya > > hain, unka yahan jikar na to karna chahta hoon na hee karna achha > > samjhata hoon. > > > > MAHAJAN > > > > <%40>, > > " varun_trvd " > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Goel saheb, > > > > > > Longitudes of planets are an astronomical reality, and when necessary > > they have to be taken into consideration. > > > > > > You have put this combination into a straight jacket , in 9th dharma > > raj everywhere else yamraj. In the Lal Kitab, it is not as simple as > > that. The combination has its 'nek' and 'manda' effects across houses. > > > > > > With respect and regards, > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > Gopal Goel gkgoel1937@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. VARUN� TRIVEDY JI , > > > > Once you talk about Degrees of planets , then other principile of > > astrological > > > > will be applicable. > > > > In any case if Saturn and Mars are togeather in 9H , THEY ACT AS > > DHARMARAJA, > > > > in any other house they act as yamraj. > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > � G.K.GOEL > > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >________________________________ > > > > varun_trvd varun_trvd@ > > > > <%40> > > > > Monday, 20 April, 2009 7:05:38 PM > > > > LK discussion group Re: Mare's milk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Pardeep ji, > > > > Since you are studying Lal Kitab, you should be very careful while > > reading. > > > > The Mare's milk remedy has not been mentioned for Mars + saturn in > > the 12th house. > > > > It has been mentioned as a remedy if this combination is afflicted > > or for mandi halat. In my previous message I had quoted the exact > > context in which this upaya is needed. > > > > If this combination is in the 12th house it should not need an upaya > > because because for the 12th house it says� : > > > > asar dono den apana apana, nek bhala aur umda do > > > > Rahu bura na teve hoga, na hi ketu budh manda ho > > > > You have talked about 4 planets in the 12th house. You can not form > > Masnuyee planets at random. There has to be a system while doing it. The > > accepted system is that only those planets can form a masnuyee planet > > who have the longitudinal proximity within them. > > > > Of these 4 planets suppose you have: > > > > saturn at 5 degrees > > > > Rahu at 7 d > > > > Mars at� 9 d > > > > Jupiter at 27d > > > > In this case, you can not form a masnuyee mercury through adding up > > Jupiter and rahu because there is no proximity between them; mars is in > > between them. > > > > You can not form a masnuyee with saturn and mars because they again > > are not together because rahu comes in between. > > > > Therefore in this combination you can not form any masnuyee planet. > > > > As for the Upaya, I am afraid I can not suggest as per the rules of > > this group. > > > > As for the� elephant tail hair upaya, I can not find a logic as > > to why� the learned Lal Kitab astrologer from Phagwara suggested it > > to be worn in a ring, unless he wanted to use the hair as a substitute > > for a� gem. > > > > Since� we [ Aligarh group] are� against wearing any kind of > > gems I wouldn't know much about it. > > > > Regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > � > > > > � > > > > � > > > > � > > > > � > > > > > > , " kapoorpardeep " > > <kapoorpardeep@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Respected Varun Ji, > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your prompt regarding both of my queries. > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Mare's milk it is mentioned in Arun Samhita 1952 edition > > page 349 for house number 12. Sir, as you mentioned, Mars+Saturn = Rahu. > > It is also mentioned that Mars+Saturn makes benefic Rahu. So, please > > suggest me why this upaya suggested for a benefic Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > Sir, if in a particular horoscope there is a combination of > > Saturn+Mars+ Rahu+Jupiter in 12th house please suggest whether in this > > horoscope need to suggest Mare's first milk upaya or some other as there > > can be combination for with this four planets: > > > > > > > > > > Saturn+Mars = Benefic Rahu > > > > > This makes Benefic Rahu+Rahu+Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > OR > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter+Rahu = Mercury > > > > > Mercury+Saturn+ Mars > > > > > For this particular combination now upaya suggest is offering > > " batashe " in temple. > > > > > > > > > > Please clear my doubts or suggest appropriate upaya for this > > combination. I know this is not a group for suggesting remedies for > > individual horoscope, but if it is possible please suggest upaya for > > this combination. > > > > > > > > > > Regarding hair of an elephant tail I heard about this upaya from > > lal kitab astrologer in Phagwara who suggesting this upaya to one of my > > known to place hair of elephant tail in your ring not in home. > > > > > > > > > > I am just starting reading this holy book. If I make any mistake > > please correct me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " varun_trvd " > > varun_trvd@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Pardeep ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mare’s milk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no mention of the mare’s milk remedy in the 1941 > > or 1942 > > > > > > editions for Mars + Saturn combination. It has been added in the > > 1952. > > > > > > > > > > > edition : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > “ ghodi jab bachcha deve to uska pahali dafa ka doodh jo > > uske > > > > > > [ghori ke] bachche ne abhi peena shuru na kiya ho nikal kar > > sheeshe ke > > > > > > bartan mein qayam rakhe to dhan daulat ki barkat bhi hogi aur > > daake ke > > > > > > vaqayat ya gaibi dhokhebaji se bachav bhi hota rahega�� > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 883 ] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars + Saturn form a Rahu. Therefore the results of this > > combination > > > > > > would largely depend on the nature of Rahu. The remedy of > > establishing > > > > > > mare’s first milk at home could be necessary if the above > > > > > > combination is afflicted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mare [moon], her milk [moon] has been advised to be kept in > > > > > > ‘sheeshe ka bartan’, a glass [mercury] container. > > This > > > > > > will keep Rahu contained and at the same time mercury in check > > because a > > > > > > malefic mercury in this context will : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > “ shanishchar ki miyad [36 -39] tak rishtedaron aur khud > > teve > > > > > > wale ka sab kuchh [ dhan,daulat, mard,aurat] ura de ya ujad > > deve�� > > > > > > [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 883] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The moon + mercury combination has been described as auspicious > > for > > > > > > ‘gaibi haal’ and also ‘ dhan daulat > > umda’ [ > > > > > > 1941 urdu ed; page 262] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What I fail to understand is why a mare’s milk ? Why not > > a silver > > > > > > slab [ chandi ki eent] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hair of an elephant : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no mention in the Lal Kitab about it. I am also not > > aware of > > > > > > any folk tradition which recommends keeping at home a hair of an > > > > > > elephant's tail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologically speaking, this might be one of the remedies for a > > malefic > > > > > > Rahu. Sun + Saturn form a malefic Rahu. Therefore taking away a > > hair > > > > > > [saturn] from an elephant [rahu] will amount to separating the > > Saturn > > > > > > from the above combination [sun + Saturn] and as a result > > leaving only a > > > > > > sun behind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If that is so, then I will not advise any one keeping the hair > > at home > > > > > > just like it. It should be kept dipped in ganga jal, so that the > > Saturn > > > > > > stays cool. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for the mars + saturn combination the mare's milk has > > been > > > > > > mentioned in one more context i.e. mars + ketu where it is used > > in > > > > > > washing the fruits needed in upaya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no mention in the Lal Kitab of hair from an elephant's > > tail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kapoorpardeep " > > > > > > <kapoorpardeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Sirs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a upaya given in Arun Samhita 1952 Lal Kitab edition > > for the > > > > > > combination of mars and saturn to keep Mare's first milk. Also, > > I heard > > > > > > about keeping the elephant's tail hair. I would like to know it > > is for > > > > > > which purpose one need to keep Mare's first milk and elephant > > tail hair > > > > > > or is there any other combination for which this upaya needs to > > do. > > > > > > Please elaborate the reason behind this upaya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to > > http://messenger./invite/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 Respected Iqbal ji, Of course not. This combination will give benefic results in the house 2,5,9,12. guru gharon phal har do uttam; sukhiya grahasti hota ho provided that it doesn't get associated with mercury. Since the results of this combination will largely depend on the nature of Rahu, therefore one has to keep his rahu strong and not make it malefic through his own actions. For other details, you may have to go through its desription in the Lal Kitab Regards, Varun Trivedi , "Iqbal Singh" <punjabilovebug wrote:>> Respected Varun Ji - Are we suggesting that under no circumstance this combination can yield positive results?> > Best Regards,> Iqbal> USA> > > > Sent via Blackberry > > > "varun_trvd" varun_trvd > Sat, 25 Apr 2009 06:08:22 > > LK discussion group Re: Saturn + Mars> > > Respected Sharat ji,> > I believe, under normal circumstances, the adverse effects should be only upto the age of 40 if Mars is malefic and/or Rahu is malefic. The adverse efects might continue even beyond the age of 40 if one turns either of these planets or Rahu into malefic through his own action.> > Yes if placed in the 9th and not afflicted by mercury, a 'pitra yagya' is advised and yes this combination should act as an accelerator of Bhagya.> > I think keeping at home an electric oven in good condition should not make a difference. An out of order oven would indicate a Rahu gone malefic and therefore care should be taken.> > > Regards,> > Varun Trivedi> > > > > > > > > , sharat pandit sharatpandit@ wrote:> >> > Respected Priya ji, Varun ji and Mahajan ji> > > > For Saturn and Mars together in 8th house, one of the upaya mentioned is> > establishing the Shamshan water in the house. In such a condition ie> > Sat+Mars in 8th house, is keeping an oven akin to establising an iron> > tandoor/ bhatti in the house? should therefore having an oven in the house> > would have bad effects? would it give bad results even after 40 yrs of age?> > > > Sat + Mars in 9th house would give bad effects only if Mercury is in 3,5 or> > 9th house. In case this conjunction is free from any malefic effect of> > Mercury, then if any yagya-pujan or celebration is done for any elder in the> > house, it gives very auspicious results and is considered 'kismat jaganey> > wala asar'.> > > > your comments pl. and clarification about sat+mars in 8 H and keeping an> > oven in the house.> > > > regards> > > > Sharat> > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 3:50 PM, heartzthief54 heartzthief54@wrote:> > > > >> > >> > > Varun Jee,> > >> > > Sat+mars+jupiter+rahu ke baare mein lal kitab ne clear likha hai yeh> > > shaksh chor, thug,daku ka sardar hoga (sat+mar =chor chor mausere bhai +> > > guru yani ki chor thug ka guru) abb rahu ka kya kaam hai , dhayan se> > > dekhe/padhe to bahut hee mazedar baat niklati hai kee rahu ka yahan kya> > > kaam hai ? khud hee chori ke liye uksayega aur khud hee police ko bata> > > dega ki wahan aaj chori ya daka padega.Matlab saaf kee unko pakdo aur> > > mera hissa mukjko do.> > >> > > Aaj ke zamane ke hisab se aisa jatak mere khayal se koi politician ya> > > IPS ya bahut hee bada Tout type ka insaan hona chahiye ya hoga.(unko> > > yehi kaam suit karega yeh mera apna vichar hai )> > >> > > Aur yeh charo (4) star shayad may 1980 about 31st ko ikathe hue> > > they.kyonki maine aise teve dekhe hain. Woh Jatak kya karte hain ya kya> > > hain, unka yahan jikar na to karna chahta hoon na hee karna achha> > > samjhata hoon.> > >> > > MAHAJAN> > >> > > <%40>,> > > "varun_trvd"> > > <varun_trvd@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Respected Goel saheb,> > > >> > > > Longitudes of planets are an astronomical reality, and when necessary> > > they have to be taken into consideration.> > > >> > > > You have put this combination into a straight jacket , in 9th dharma> > > raj everywhere else yamraj. In the Lal Kitab, it is not as simple as> > > that. The combination has its 'nek' and 'manda' effects across houses.> > > >> > > > With respect and regards,> > > >> > > > Varun Trivedi> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > <%40>,> > > Gopal Goel gkgoel1937@> > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Mr. VARUN� TRIVEDY JI ,> > > > > Once you talk about Degrees of planets , then other principile of> > > astrological> > > > > will be applicable.> > > > > In any case if Saturn and Mars are togeather in 9H , THEY ACT AS> > > DHARMARAJA,> > > > > in any other house they act as yamraj.> > > > > Regards,> > > > >> > > > > � G.K.GOEL> > > > > Ph: 09350311433> > > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR> > > > > NEW DELHI-110 076> > > > > INDIA> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >________________________________> > > > > varun_trvd varun_trvd@> > > > > <%40>> > > > > Monday, 20 April, 2009 7:05:38 PM> > > > > LK discussion group Re: Mare's milk> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Respected Pardeep ji,> > > > > Since you are studying Lal Kitab, you should be very careful while> > > reading.> > > > > The Mare's milk remedy has not been mentioned for Mars + saturn in> > > the 12th house.> > > > > It has been mentioned as a remedy if this combination is afflicted> > > or for mandi halat. In my previous message I had quoted the exact> > > context in which this upaya is needed.> > > > > If this combination is in the 12th house it should not need an upaya> > > because because for the 12th house it says� :> > > > > asar dono den apana apana, nek bhala aur umda do> > > > > Rahu bura na teve hoga, na hi ketu budh manda ho> > > > > You have talked about 4 planets in the 12th house. You can not form> > > Masnuyee planets at random. There has to be a system while doing it. The> > > accepted system is that only those planets can form a masnuyee planet> > > who have the longitudinal proximity within them.> > > > > Of these 4 planets suppose you have:> > > > > saturn at 5 degrees> > > > > Rahu at 7 d> > > > > Mars at� 9 d> > > > > Jupiter at 27d> > > > > In this case, you can not form a masnuyee mercury through adding up> > > Jupiter and rahu because there is no proximity between them; mars is in> > > between them.> > > > > You can not form a masnuyee with saturn and mars because they again> > > are not together because rahu comes in between.> > > > > Therefore in this combination you can not form any masnuyee planet.> > > > > As for the Upaya, I am afraid I can not suggest as per the rules of> > > this group.> > > > > As for the� elephant tail hair upaya, I can not find a logic as> > > to why� the learned Lal Kitab astrologer from Phagwara suggested it> > > to be worn in a ring, unless he wanted to use the hair as a substitute> > > for a� gem.> > > > > Since� we [ Aligarh group] are� against wearing any kind of> > > gems I wouldn't know much about it.> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > >> > > > > �> > > > > �> > > > > �> > > > > �> > > > > �> > >> > > > > , "kapoorpardeep"> > > <kapoorpardeep@ ...> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Respected Varun Ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks for your prompt regarding both of my queries.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regarding Mare's milk it is mentioned in Arun Samhita 1952 edition> > > page 349 for house number 12. Sir, as you mentioned, Mars+Saturn = Rahu.> > > It is also mentioned that Mars+Saturn makes benefic Rahu. So, please> > > suggest me why this upaya suggested for a benefic Rahu.> > > > > >> > > > > > Sir, if in a particular horoscope there is a combination of> > > Saturn+Mars+ Rahu+Jupiter in 12th house please suggest whether in this> > > horoscope need to suggest Mare's first milk upaya or some other as there> > > can be combination for with this four planets:> > > > > >> > > > > > Saturn+Mars = Benefic Rahu> > > > > > This makes Benefic Rahu+Rahu+Jupiter> > > > > >> > > > > > OR> > > > > >> > > > > > Jupiter+Rahu = Mercury> > > > > > Mercury+Saturn+ Mars> > > > > > For this particular combination now upaya suggest is offering> > > "batashe" in temple.> > > > > >> > > > > > Please clear my doubts or suggest appropriate upaya for this> > > combination. I know this is not a group for suggesting remedies for> > > individual horoscope, but if it is possible please suggest upaya for> > > this combination.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regarding hair of an elephant tail I heard about this upaya from> > > lal kitab astrologer in Phagwara who suggesting this upaya to one of my> > > known to place hair of elephant tail in your ring not in home.> > > > > >> > > > > > I am just starting reading this holy book. If I make any mistake> > > please correct me.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks and Regards,> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > , "varun_trvd"> > > varun_trvd@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Respected Pardeep ji> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Mare’s milk> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > There is no mention of the mare’s milk remedy in the 1941> > > or 1942> > > > > > > editions for Mars + Saturn combination. It has been added in the> > > 1952.> > > > > >> > > > > > > edition :> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > “ ghodi jab bachcha deve to uska pahali dafa ka doodh jo> > > uske> > > > > > > [ghori ke] bachche ne abhi peena shuru na kiya ho nikal kar> > > sheeshe ke> > > > > > > bartan mein qayam rakhe to dhan daulat ki barkat bhi hogi aur> > > daake ke> > > > > > > vaqayat ya gaibi dhokhebaji se bachav bhi hota rahega��> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 883 ]> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Mars + Saturn form a Rahu. Therefore the results of this> > > combination> > > > > > > would largely depend on the nature of Rahu. The remedy of> > > establishing> > > > > > > mare’s first milk at home could be necessary if the above> > > > > > > combination is afflicted.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Mare [moon], her milk [moon] has been advised to be kept in> > > > > > > ‘sheeshe ka bartan’, a glass [mercury] container.> > > This> > > > > > > will keep Rahu contained and at the same time mercury in check> > > because a> > > > > > > malefic mercury in this context will :> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > “ shanishchar ki miyad [36 -39] tak rishtedaron aur khud> > > teve> > > > > > > wale ka sab kuchh [ dhan,daulat, mard,aurat] ura de ya ujad> > > deve��> > > > > > > [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 883]> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > The moon + mercury combination has been described as auspicious> > > for> > > > > > > ‘gaibi haal’ and also ‘ dhan daulat> > > umda’ [> > > > > > > 1941 urdu ed; page 262]> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > What I fail to understand is why a mare’s milk ? Why not> > > a silver> > > > > > > slab [ chandi ki eent]> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hair of an elephant :> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > There is no mention in the Lal Kitab about it. I am also not> > > aware of> > > > > > > any folk tradition which recommends keeping at home a hair of an> > > > > > > elephant's tail.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Astrologically speaking, this might be one of the remedies for a> > > malefic> > > > > > > Rahu. Sun + Saturn form a malefic Rahu. Therefore taking away a> > > hair> > > > > > > [saturn] from an elephant [rahu] will amount to separating the> > > Saturn> > > > > > > from the above combination [sun + Saturn] and as a result> > > leaving only a> > > > > > > sun behind.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > If that is so, then I will not advise any one keeping the hair> > > at home> > > > > > > just like it. It should be kept dipped in ganga jal, so that the> > > Saturn> > > > > > > stays cool.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Except for the mars + saturn combination the mare's milk has> > > been> > > > > > > mentioned in one more context i.e. mars + ketu where it is used> > > in> > > > > > > washing the fruits needed in upaya.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > There is no mention in the Lal Kitab of hair from an elephant's> > > tail.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > , "kapoorpardeep"> > > > > > > <kapoorpardeep@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Respected Sirs,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > There is a upaya given in Arun Samhita 1952 Lal Kitab edition> > > for the> > > > > > > combination of mars and saturn to keep Mare's first milk. Also,> > > I heard> > > > > > > about keeping the elephant's tail hair. I would like to know it> > > is for> > > > > > > which purpose one need to keep Mare's first milk and elephant> > > tail hair> > > > > > > or is there any other combination for which this upaya needs to> > > do.> > > > > > > Please elaborate the reason behind this upaya.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to> > > http://messenger./invite/> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 Dear varun ji � What precautions are suggested by lal kitab so� that Rahu does not become malefic or belligerent. � regards � Sharat On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 11:38 AM, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: Respected Sharat ji,I believe, under normal circumstances, the adverse effects should be only upto the age of 40 if Mars is malefic and/or Rahu is malefic. The adverse efects might continue even beyond the age of 40 if one turns either of these planets or Rahu into malefic through his own action. Yes if placed in the 9th and not afflicted by mercury, a 'pitra yagya' is advised and yes this combination should act as an accelerator of Bhagya.I think keeping at home an electric oven in good condition should not make a difference. An out of order oven would indicate a Rahu gone malefic and therefore care should be taken. Regards,Varun Trivedi , sharat pandit <sharatpandit wrote:>> Respected Priya ji, Varun ji and Mahajan ji > > For Saturn and Mars together in 8th house, one of the upaya mentioned is> establishing the Shamshan water in the house. In such a condition ie > Sat+Mars in 8th house, is keeping an oven akin to establising an iron> tandoor/ bhatti in the house? should therefore having an oven in the house> would have bad effects? would it give bad results even after 40 yrs of age? > > Sat + Mars in 9th house would give bad effects only if Mercury is in 3,5 or> 9th house. In case this conjunction is free from any malefic effect of> Mercury, then if any yagya-pujan or celebration is done for any elder in the > house, it gives very auspicious results and is considered 'kismat jaganey> wala asar'.> > your comments pl. and clarification about sat+mars in 8 H and keeping an> oven in the house.> > regards> > Sharat> > > > On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 3:50 PM, heartzthief54 <heartzthief54wrote: > > >> >> > Varun Jee,> >> > Sat+mars+jupiter+rahu ke baare mein lal kitab ne clear likha hai yeh> > shaksh chor, thug,daku ka sardar hoga (sat+mar =chor chor mausere bhai + > > guru yani ki chor thug ka guru) abb rahu ka kya kaam hai , dhayan se> > dekhe/padhe to bahut hee mazedar baat niklati hai kee rahu ka yahan kya> > kaam hai ? khud hee chori ke liye uksayega aur khud hee police ko bata > > dega ki wahan aaj chori ya daka padega.Matlab saaf kee unko pakdo aur> > mera hissa mukjko do.> >> > Aaj ke zamane ke hisab se aisa jatak mere khayal se koi politician ya> > IPS ya bahut hee bada Tout type ka insaan hona chahiye ya hoga.(unko > > yehi kaam suit karega yeh mera apna vichar hai )> >> > Aur yeh charo (4) star shayad may 1980 about 31st ko ikathe hue> > they.kyonki maine aise teve dekhe hain. Woh Jatak kya karte hain ya kya > > hain, unka yahan jikar na to karna chahta hoon na hee karna achha> > samjhata hoon.> >> > MAHAJAN> >> > <%40>, > > " varun_trvd " > > <varun_trvd@> wrote:> > >> > > Respected Goel saheb,> > >> > > Longitudes of planets are an astronomical reality, and when necessary > > they have to be taken into consideration.> > >> > > You have put this combination into a straight jacket , in 9th dharma> > raj everywhere else yamraj. In the Lal Kitab, it is not as simple as > > that. The combination has its 'nek' and 'manda' effects across houses.> > >> > > With respect and regards,> > >> > > Varun Trivedi> > > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > <%40>, > > Gopal Goel gkgoel1937@> > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Mr. VARUN� TRIVEDY JI ,> > > > Once you talk about Degrees of planets , then other principile of > > astrological> > > > will be applicable.> > > > In any case if Saturn and Mars are togeather in 9H , THEY ACT AS> > DHARMARAJA,> > > > in any other house they act as yamraj. > > > > Regards,> > > >> > > > � G.K.GOEL> > > > Ph: 09350311433> > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR> > > > NEW DELHI-110 076> > > > INDIA > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ________________________________> > > > varun_trvd varun_trvd@> > > > <%40> > > > > Monday, 20 April, 2009 7:05:38 PM> > > > LK discussion group Re: Mare's milk> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > Respected Pardeep ji,> > > > Since you are studying Lal Kitab, you should be very careful while> > reading.> > > > The Mare's milk remedy has not been mentioned for Mars + saturn in > > the 12th house.> > > > It has been mentioned as a remedy if this combination is afflicted> > or for mandi halat. In my previous message I had quoted the exact> > context in which this upaya is needed. > > > > If this combination is in the 12th house it should not need an upaya> > because because for the 12th house it says� :> > > > asar dono den apana apana, nek bhala aur umda do > > > > Rahu bura na teve hoga, na hi ketu budh manda ho> > > > You have talked about 4 planets in the 12th house. You can not form> > Masnuyee planets at random. There has to be a system while doing it. The > > accepted system is that only those planets can form a masnuyee planet> > who have the longitudinal proximity within them.> > > > Of these 4 planets suppose you have:> > > > saturn at 5 degrees > > > > Rahu at 7 d> > > > Mars at� 9 d> > > > Jupiter at 27d> > > > In this case, you can not form a masnuyee mercury through adding up> > Jupiter and rahu because there is no proximity between them; mars is in > > between them.> > > > You can not form a masnuyee with saturn and mars because they again> > are not together because rahu comes in between.> > > > Therefore in this combination you can not form any masnuyee planet. > > > > As for the Upaya, I am afraid I can not suggest as per the rules of> > this group.> > > > As for the� elephant tail hair upaya, I can not find a logic as> > to why� the learned Lal Kitab astrologer from Phagwara suggested it > > to be worn in a ring, unless he wanted to use the hair as a substitute> > for a� gem.> > > > Since� we [ Aligarh group] are� against wearing any kind of> > gems I wouldn't know much about it. > > > > Regards,> > > > Varun Trivedi> > > >> > > > �> > > > �> > > > �> > > > �> > > > � > >> > > > , " kapoorpardeep " > > <kapoorpardeep@ ...> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Respected Varun Ji, > > > > >> > > > > Thanks for your prompt regarding both of my queries.> > > > >> > > > > Regarding Mare's milk it is mentioned in Arun Samhita 1952 edition > > page 349 for house number 12. Sir, as you mentioned, Mars+Saturn = Rahu.> > It is also mentioned that Mars+Saturn makes benefic Rahu. So, please> > suggest me why this upaya suggested for a benefic Rahu. > > > > >> > > > > Sir, if in a particular horoscope there is a combination of> > Saturn+Mars+ Rahu+Jupiter in 12th house please suggest whether in this> > horoscope need to suggest Mare's first milk upaya or some other as there > > can be combination for with this four planets:> > > > >> > > > > Saturn+Mars = Benefic Rahu> > > > > This makes Benefic Rahu+Rahu+Jupiter> > > > > > > > > > OR> > > > >> > > > > Jupiter+Rahu = Mercury> > > > > Mercury+Saturn+ Mars> > > > > For this particular combination now upaya suggest is offering > > " batashe " in temple.> > > > >> > > > > Please clear my doubts or suggest appropriate upaya for this> > combination. I know this is not a group for suggesting remedies for > > individual horoscope, but if it is possible please suggest upaya for> > this combination.> > > > >> > > > > Regarding hair of an elephant tail I heard about this upaya from > > lal kitab astrologer in Phagwara who suggesting this upaya to one of my> > known to place hair of elephant tail in your ring not in home.> > > > >> > > > > I am just starting reading this holy book. If I make any mistake > > please correct me.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Thanks and Regards,> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > , " varun_trvd " > > varun_trvd@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Pardeep ji> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Mare’s milk> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > There is no mention of the mare’s milk remedy in the 1941> > or 1942> > > > > > editions for Mars + Saturn combination. It has been added in the > > 1952.> > > > >> > > > > > edition :> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > “ ghodi jab bachcha deve to uska pahali dafa ka doodh jo > > uske> > > > > > [ghori ke] bachche ne abhi peena shuru na kiya ho nikal kar> > sheeshe ke> > > > > > bartan mein qayam rakhe to dhan daulat ki barkat bhi hogi aur > > daake ke> > > > > > vaqayat ya gaibi dhokhebaji se bachav bhi hota rahega��> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 883 ] > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Mars + Saturn form a Rahu. Therefore the results of this> > combination> > > > > > would largely depend on the nature of Rahu. The remedy of > > establishing> > > > > > mare’s first milk at home could be necessary if the above> > > > > > combination is afflicted.> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Mare [moon], her milk [moon] has been advised to be kept in> > > > > > ‘sheeshe ka bartan’, a glass [mercury] container.> > This > > > > > > will keep Rahu contained and at the same time mercury in check> > because a> > > > > > malefic mercury in this context will :> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > “ shanishchar ki miyad [36 -39] tak rishtedaron aur khud> > teve> > > > > > wale ka sab kuchh [ dhan,daulat, mard,aurat] ura de ya ujad > > deve��> > > > > > [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 883]> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > The moon + mercury combination has been described as auspicious > > for> > > > > > ‘gaibi haal’ and also ‘ dhan daulat> > umda’ [> > > > > > 1941 urdu ed; page 262]> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > What I fail to understand is why a mare’s milk ? Why not> > a silver> > > > > > slab [ chandi ki eent]> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Hair of an elephant :> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > There is no mention in the Lal Kitab about it. I am also not > > aware of> > > > > > any folk tradition which recommends keeping at home a hair of an> > > > > > elephant's tail.> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Astrologically speaking, this might be one of the remedies for a> > malefic> > > > > > Rahu. Sun + Saturn form a malefic Rahu. Therefore taking away a > > hair> > > > > > [saturn] from an elephant [rahu] will amount to separating the> > Saturn> > > > > > from the above combination [sun + Saturn] and as a result > > leaving only a> > > > > > sun behind.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > If that is so, then I will not advise any one keeping the hair > > at home> > > > > > just like it. It should be kept dipped in ganga jal, so that the> > Saturn> > > > > > stays cool.> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Except for the mars + saturn combination the mare's milk has> > been> > > > > > mentioned in one more context i.e. mars + ketu where it is used > > in> > > > > > washing the fruits needed in upaya.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > There is no mention in the Lal Kitab of hair from an elephant's > > tail.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > , " kapoorpardeep " > > > > > > <kapoorpardeep@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Respected Sirs,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > There is a upaya given in Arun Samhita 1952 Lal Kitab edition > > for the> > > > > > combination of mars and saturn to keep Mare's first milk. Also,> > I heard> > > > > > about keeping the elephant's tail hair. I would like to know it > > is for> > > > > > which purpose one need to keep Mare's first milk and elephant> > tail hair> > > > > > or is there any other combination for which this upaya needs to > > do.> > > > > > Please elaborate the reason behind this upaya.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks and Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to > > http://messenger./invite/> > > >> > >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 Respected Sharat ji, I am pasting here an answer by our Guru Pt Bhooshan priya ji to a similar query regarding Rahu turning malefic. Regards, Varun Trivedi Rahu Turning Malefic At times we unwittingly make planets malefic through our own actions. Rahu turns malefic if we: [ 1 ] create smoke in the house or if there is no route for the smoke to get out. [ 2 ] not having good relations with wife’s brother { saale } [ 3 ] hurt cats [ 4 ] hurt or ill treat a sweeper [ 5 ] Let the drain water accumulate near the house. [ 6 ] changing the place of the toilets [ 7 ] burning fire under the staircase. [ 8 ] Getting only the roof redone. [ 9 ] allowing the drain to go down under the threshold. [ 10 ] becoming a false witness These are a few very general conditions, which I remembered at random, when Rahu can turn malefic. There would be a lot more depending on where the rahu is placed in the horoscope. Bhooshan Priya , sharat pandit <sharatpandit wrote: > > Dear varun ji > > What precautions are suggested by lal kitab so that Rahu does not become > malefic or belligerent. > > regards > > Sharat > > On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 11:38 AM, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: > > > > > > > Respected Sharat ji, > > > > I believe, under normal circumstances, the adverse effects should be only > > upto the age of 40 if Mars is malefic and/or Rahu is malefic. The adverse > > efects might continue even beyond the age of 40 if one turns either of these > > planets or Rahu into malefic through his own action. > > > > Yes if placed in the 9th and not afflicted by mercury, a 'pitra yagya' is > > advised and yes this combination should act as an accelerator of Bhagya. > > > > I think keeping at home an electric oven in good condition should not make > > a difference. An out of order oven would indicate a Rahu gone malefic and > > therefore care should be taken. > > > > Regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > --- In <%40>, > > sharat pandit <sharatpandit@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Priya ji, Varun ji and Mahajan ji > > > > > > For Saturn and Mars together in 8th house, one of the upaya mentioned is > > > establishing the Shamshan water in the house. In such a condition ie > > > Sat+Mars in 8th house, is keeping an oven akin to establising an iron > > > tandoor/ bhatti in the house? should therefore having an oven in the > > house > > > would have bad effects? would it give bad results even after 40 yrs of > > age? > > > > > > Sat + Mars in 9th house would give bad effects only if Mercury is in 3,5 > > or > > > 9th house. In case this conjunction is free from any malefic effect of > > > Mercury, then if any yagya-pujan or celebration is done for any elder in > > the > > > house, it gives very auspicious results and is considered 'kismat jaganey > > > wala asar'. > > > > > > your comments pl. and clarification about sat+mars in 8 H and keeping an > > > oven in the house. > > > > > > regards > > > > > > Sharat > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 3:50 PM, heartzthief54 <heartzthief54@>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Jee, > > > > > > > > Sat+mars+jupiter+rahu ke baare mein lal kitab ne clear likha hai yeh > > > > shaksh chor, thug,daku ka sardar hoga (sat+mar =chor chor mausere bhai > > + > > > > guru yani ki chor thug ka guru) abb rahu ka kya kaam hai , dhayan se > > > > dekhe/padhe to bahut hee mazedar baat niklati hai kee rahu ka yahan kya > > > > kaam hai ? khud hee chori ke liye uksayega aur khud hee police ko bata > > > > dega ki wahan aaj chori ya daka padega.Matlab saaf kee unko pakdo aur > > > > mera hissa mukjko do. > > > > > > > > Aaj ke zamane ke hisab se aisa jatak mere khayal se koi politician ya > > > > IPS ya bahut hee bada Tout type ka insaan hona chahiye ya hoga.(unko > > > > yehi kaam suit karega yeh mera apna vichar hai ) > > > > > > > > Aur yeh charo (4) star shayad may 1980 about 31st ko ikathe hue > > > > they.kyonki maine aise teve dekhe hain. Woh Jatak kya karte hain ya kya > > > > hain, unka yahan jikar na to karna chahta hoon na hee karna achha > > > > samjhata hoon. > > > > > > > > MAHAJAN > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > <%40>, > > > > " varun_trvd " > > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Respected Goel saheb, > > > > > > > > > > Longitudes of planets are an astronomical reality, and when necessary > > > > they have to be taken into consideration. > > > > > > > > > > You have put this combination into a straight jacket , in 9th dharma > > > > raj everywhere else yamraj. In the Lal Kitab, it is not as simple as > > > > that. The combination has its 'nek' and 'manda' effects across houses. > > > > > > > > > > With respect and regards, > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > <%40>, > > > > Gopal Goel gkgoel1937@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. VARUN� TRIVEDY JI , > > > > > > Once you talk about Degrees of planets , then other principile of > > > > astrological > > > > > > will be applicable. > > > > > > In any case if Saturn and Mars are togeather in 9H , THEY ACT AS > > > > DHARMARAJA, > > > > > > in any other house they act as yamraj. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > � G.K.GOEL > > > > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > varun_trvd varun_trvd@ > > > > > > To: <%40> > > <%40> > > > > > > > > Monday, 20 April, 2009 7:05:38 PM > > > > > > LK discussion group Re: Mare's milk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Pardeep ji, > > > > > > Since you are studying Lal Kitab, you should be very careful while > > > > reading. > > > > > > The Mare's milk remedy has not been mentioned for Mars + saturn in > > > > the 12th house. > > > > > > It has been mentioned as a remedy if this combination is afflicted > > > > or for mandi halat. In my previous message I had quoted the exact > > > > context in which this upaya is needed. > > > > > > If this combination is in the 12th house it should not need an > > upaya > > > > because because for the 12th house it says� : > > > > > > asar dono den apana apana, nek bhala aur umda do > > > > > > Rahu bura na teve hoga, na hi ketu budh manda ho > > > > > > You have talked about 4 planets in the 12th house. You can not form > > > > Masnuyee planets at random. There has to be a system while doing it. > > The > > > > accepted system is that only those planets can form a masnuyee planet > > > > who have the longitudinal proximity within them. > > > > > > Of these 4 planets suppose you have: > > > > > > saturn at 5 degrees > > > > > > Rahu at 7 d > > > > > > Mars at� 9 d > > > > > > Jupiter at 27d > > > > > > In this case, you can not form a masnuyee mercury through adding up > > > > Jupiter and rahu because there is no proximity between them; mars is in > > > > between them. > > > > > > You can not form a masnuyee with saturn and mars because they again > > > > are not together because rahu comes in between. > > > > > > Therefore in this combination you can not form any masnuyee planet. > > > > > > As for the Upaya, I am afraid I can not suggest as per the rules of > > > > this group. > > > > > > As for the� elephant tail hair upaya, I can not find a logic as > > > > to why� the learned Lal Kitab astrologer from Phagwara suggested it > > > > to be worn in a ring, unless he wanted to use the hair as a substitute > > > > for a� gem. > > > > > > Since� we [ Aligarh group] are� against wearing any kind of > > > > gems I wouldn't know much about it. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > � > > > > > > � > > > > > > � > > > > > > � > > > > > > � > > > > > > > > > > , " kapoorpardeep " > > > > <kapoorpardeep@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Varun Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your prompt regarding both of my queries. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Mare's milk it is mentioned in Arun Samhita 1952 > > edition > > > > page 349 for house number 12. Sir, as you mentioned, Mars+Saturn = > > Rahu. > > > > It is also mentioned that Mars+Saturn makes benefic Rahu. So, please > > > > suggest me why this upaya suggested for a benefic Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, if in a particular horoscope there is a combination of > > > > Saturn+Mars+ Rahu+Jupiter in 12th house please suggest whether in this > > > > horoscope need to suggest Mare's first milk upaya or some other as > > there > > > > can be combination for with this four planets: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn+Mars = Benefic Rahu > > > > > > > This makes Benefic Rahu+Rahu+Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter+Rahu = Mercury > > > > > > > Mercury+Saturn+ Mars > > > > > > > For this particular combination now upaya suggest is offering > > > > " batashe " in temple. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please clear my doubts or suggest appropriate upaya for this > > > > combination. I know this is not a group for suggesting remedies for > > > > individual horoscope, but if it is possible please suggest upaya for > > > > this combination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding hair of an elephant tail I heard about this upaya from > > > > lal kitab astrologer in Phagwara who suggesting this upaya to one of my > > > > known to place hair of elephant tail in your ring not in home. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am just starting reading this holy book. If I make any mistake > > > > please correct me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " varun_trvd " > > > > varun_trvd@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Pardeep ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mare’s milk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no mention of the mare’s milk remedy in the 1941 > > > > or 1942 > > > > > > > > editions for Mars + Saturn combination. It has been added in > > the > > > > 1952. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > edition : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > “ ghodi jab bachcha deve to uska pahali dafa ka doodh jo > > > > uske > > > > > > > > [ghori ke] bachche ne abhi peena shuru na kiya ho nikal kar > > > > sheeshe ke > > > > > > > > bartan mein qayam rakhe to dhan daulat ki barkat bhi hogi aur > > > > daake ke > > > > > > > > vaqayat ya gaibi dhokhebaji se bachav bhi hota rahega�� > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 883 ] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars + Saturn form a Rahu. Therefore the results of this > > > > combination > > > > > > > > would largely depend on the nature of Rahu. The remedy of > > > > establishing > > > > > > > > mare’s first milk at home could be necessary if the above > > > > > > > > combination is afflicted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mare [moon], her milk [moon] has been advised to be kept in > > > > > > > > ‘sheeshe ka bartan’, a glass [mercury] container. > > > > This > > > > > > > > will keep Rahu contained and at the same time mercury in check > > > > because a > > > > > > > > malefic mercury in this context will : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > “ shanishchar ki miyad [36 -39] tak rishtedaron aur khud > > > > teve > > > > > > > > wale ka sab kuchh [ dhan,daulat, mard,aurat] ura de ya ujad > > > > deve�� > > > > > > > > [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 883] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The moon + mercury combination has been described as auspicious > > > > for > > > > > > > > ‘gaibi haal’ and also ‘ dhan daulat > > > > umda’ [ > > > > > > > > 1941 urdu ed; page 262] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What I fail to understand is why a mare’s milk ? Why not > > > > a silver > > > > > > > > slab [ chandi ki eent] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hair of an elephant : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no mention in the Lal Kitab about it. I am also not > > > > aware of > > > > > > > > any folk tradition which recommends keeping at home a hair of > > an > > > > > > > > elephant's tail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologically speaking, this might be one of the remedies for > > a > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > Rahu. Sun + Saturn form a malefic Rahu. Therefore taking away a > > > > hair > > > > > > > > [saturn] from an elephant [rahu] will amount to separating the > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > from the above combination [sun + Saturn] and as a result > > > > leaving only a > > > > > > > > sun behind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If that is so, then I will not advise any one keeping the hair > > > > at home > > > > > > > > just like it. It should be kept dipped in ganga jal, so that > > the > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > stays cool. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for the mars + saturn combination the mare's milk has > > > > been > > > > > > > > mentioned in one more context i.e. mars + ketu where it is used > > > > in > > > > > > > > washing the fruits needed in upaya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no mention in the Lal Kitab of hair from an elephant's > > > > tail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kapoorpardeep " > > > > > > > > <kapoorpardeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Sirs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a upaya given in Arun Samhita 1952 Lal Kitab edition > > > > for the > > > > > > > > combination of mars and saturn to keep Mare's first milk. Also, > > > > I heard > > > > > > > > about keeping the elephant's tail hair. I would like to know it > > > > is for > > > > > > > > which purpose one need to keep Mare's first milk and elephant > > > > tail hair > > > > > > > > or is there any other combination for which this upaya needs to > > > > do. > > > > > > > > Please elaborate the reason behind this upaya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to > > > > http://messenger./invite/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 Thank you Varun ji for your prompt answers to all my queries. I think extending the same logic,�drains getting frequently blocked in the house can also be a bad omen. � regards � sharat On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 3:25 PM, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: Respected Sharat ji,I am pasting here an answer by our Guru Pt Bhooshan priya ji to a similar query regarding Rahu turning malefic.Regards,Varun TrivediRahu Turning MaleficAt times we unwittingly make planets malefic through our own actions. Rahu turns malefic if we: [ 1 ] create smoke in the house or if there is no route for the smoke to get out.[ 2 ] not having good relations with wife’s brother { saale }[ 3 ] hurt cats [ 4 ] hurt or ill treat a sweeper[ 5 ] Let the drain water accumulate near the house. [ 6 ] changing the place of the toilets [ 7 ] burning fire under the staircase.[ 8 ] Getting only the roof redone.[ 9 ] allowing the drain to go down under the threshold.[ 10 ] becoming a false witness These are a few very general conditions, which I remembered at random, when Rahu can turn malefic. There would be a lot more depending on where the rahu is placed in the horoscope.Bhooshan Priya , sharat pandit <sharatpandit wrote:> > Dear varun ji> > What precautions are suggested by lal kitab so that Rahu does not become> malefic or belligerent.> > regards> > Sharat> > On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 11:38 AM, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote:> > >> >> > Respected Sharat ji,> >> > I believe, under normal circumstances, the adverse effects should be only > > upto the age of 40 if Mars is malefic and/or Rahu is malefic. The adverse> > efects might continue even beyond the age of 40 if one turns either of these> > planets or Rahu into malefic through his own action. > >> > Yes if placed in the 9th and not afflicted by mercury, a 'pitra yagya' is> > advised and yes this combination should act as an accelerator of Bhagya.> >> > I think keeping at home an electric oven in good condition should not make > > a difference. An out of order oven would indicate a Rahu gone malefic and> > therefore care should be taken.> >> > Regards,> >> > Varun Trivedi> > > > <%40>, > > sharat pandit <sharatpandit@> wrote:> > >> > > Respected Priya ji, Varun ji and Mahajan ji> > >> > > For Saturn and Mars together in 8th house, one of the upaya mentioned is > > > establishing the Shamshan water in the house. In such a condition ie> > > Sat+Mars in 8th house, is keeping an oven akin to establising an iron> > > tandoor/ bhatti in the house? should therefore having an oven in the > > house> > > would have bad effects? would it give bad results even after 40 yrs of> > age?> > >> > > Sat + Mars in 9th house would give bad effects only if Mercury is in 3,5 > > or> > > 9th house. In case this conjunction is free from any malefic effect of> > > Mercury, then if any yagya-pujan or celebration is done for any elder in> > the> > > house, it gives very auspicious results and is considered 'kismat jaganey > > > wala asar'.> > >> > > your comments pl. and clarification about sat+mars in 8 H and keeping an> > > oven in the house.> > >> > > regards > > >> > > Sharat> > >> > >> > >> > > On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 3:50 PM, heartzthief54 <heartzthief54@>wrote:> >> > > > > > >> > > >> > > > Varun Jee,> > > >> > > > Sat+mars+jupiter+rahu ke baare mein lal kitab ne clear likha hai yeh> > > > shaksh chor, thug,daku ka sardar hoga (sat+mar =chor chor mausere bhai > > +> > > > guru yani ki chor thug ka guru) abb rahu ka kya kaam hai , dhayan se> > > > dekhe/padhe to bahut hee mazedar baat niklati hai kee rahu ka yahan kya> > > > kaam hai ? khud hee chori ke liye uksayega aur khud hee police ko bata > > > > dega ki wahan aaj chori ya daka padega.Matlab saaf kee unko pakdo aur> > > > mera hissa mukjko do.> > > >> > > > Aaj ke zamane ke hisab se aisa jatak mere khayal se koi politician ya > > > > IPS ya bahut hee bada Tout type ka insaan hona chahiye ya hoga.(unko> > > > yehi kaam suit karega yeh mera apna vichar hai )> > > >> > > > Aur yeh charo (4) star shayad may 1980 about 31st ko ikathe hue > > > > they.kyonki maine aise teve dekhe hain. Woh Jatak kya karte hain ya kya> > > > hain, unka yahan jikar na to karna chahta hoon na hee karna achha> > > > samjhata hoon. > > > >> > > > MAHAJAN> > > >> > > > <%40> > > <%40>,> > > > " varun_trvd " > > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > Respected Goel saheb,> > > > >> > > > > Longitudes of planets are an astronomical reality, and when necessary> > > > they have to be taken into consideration. > > > > >> > > > > You have put this combination into a straight jacket , in 9th dharma> > > > raj everywhere else yamraj. In the Lal Kitab, it is not as simple as> > > > that. The combination has its 'nek' and 'manda' effects across houses. > > > > >> > > > > With respect and regards,> > > > >> > > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > <%40> > > <%40>,> > > > Gopal Goel gkgoel1937@> > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. VARUN� TRIVEDY JI ,> > > > > > Once you talk about Degrees of planets , then other principile of> > > > astrological> > > > > > will be applicable. > > > > > > In any case if Saturn and Mars are togeather in 9H , THEY ACT AS> > > > DHARMARAJA,> > > > > > in any other house they act as yamraj.> > > > > > Regards, > > > > > >> > > > > > � G.K.GOEL> > > > > > Ph: 09350311433> > > > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR> > > > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > > > > INDIA> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > varun_trvd varun_trvd@> > > > > > <%40> > > <%40>> >> > > > > > Monday, 20 April, 2009 7:05:38 PM> > > > > > LK discussion group Re: Mare's milk > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Respected Pardeep ji,> > > > > > Since you are studying Lal Kitab, you should be very careful while > > > > reading.> > > > > > The Mare's milk remedy has not been mentioned for Mars + saturn in> > > > the 12th house.> > > > > > It has been mentioned as a remedy if this combination is afflicted > > > > or for mandi halat. In my previous message I had quoted the exact> > > > context in which this upaya is needed.> > > > > > If this combination is in the 12th house it should not need an > > upaya> > > > because because for the 12th house it says� :> > > > > > asar dono den apana apana, nek bhala aur umda do> > > > > > Rahu bura na teve hoga, na hi ketu budh manda ho > > > > > > You have talked about 4 planets in the 12th house. You can not form> > > > Masnuyee planets at random. There has to be a system while doing it.> > The> > > > accepted system is that only those planets can form a masnuyee planet > > > > who have the longitudinal proximity within them.> > > > > > Of these 4 planets suppose you have:> > > > > > saturn at 5 degrees> > > > > > Rahu at 7 d > > > > > > Mars at� 9 d> > > > > > Jupiter at 27d> > > > > > In this case, you can not form a masnuyee mercury through adding up> > > > Jupiter and rahu because there is no proximity between them; mars is in > > > > between them.> > > > > > You can not form a masnuyee with saturn and mars because they again> > > > are not together because rahu comes in between.> > > > > > Therefore in this combination you can not form any masnuyee planet. > > > > > > As for the Upaya, I am afraid I can not suggest as per the rules of> > > > this group.> > > > > > As for the� elephant tail hair upaya, I can not find a logic as > > > > to why� the learned Lal Kitab astrologer from Phagwara suggested it> > > > to be worn in a ring, unless he wanted to use the hair as a substitute> > > > for a� gem. > > > > > > Since� we [ Aligarh group] are� against wearing any kind of> > > > gems I wouldn't know much about it.> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > >> > > > > > �> > > > > > �> > > > > > �> > > > > > �> > > > > > �> > > > > > > > > > , " kapoorpardeep " > > > > <kapoorpardeep@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Respected Varun Ji, > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks for your prompt regarding both of my queries.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regarding Mare's milk it is mentioned in Arun Samhita 1952 > > edition> > > > page 349 for house number 12. Sir, as you mentioned, Mars+Saturn => > Rahu.> > > > It is also mentioned that Mars+Saturn makes benefic Rahu. So, please > > > > suggest me why this upaya suggested for a benefic Rahu.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Sir, if in a particular horoscope there is a combination of> > > > Saturn+Mars+ Rahu+Jupiter in 12th house please suggest whether in this > > > > horoscope need to suggest Mare's first milk upaya or some other as> > there> > > > can be combination for with this four planets:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn+Mars = Benefic Rahu> > > > > > > This makes Benefic Rahu+Rahu+Jupiter> > > > > > >> > > > > > > OR> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter+Rahu = Mercury> > > > > > > Mercury+Saturn+ Mars> > > > > > > For this particular combination now upaya suggest is offering> > > > " batashe " in temple. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Please clear my doubts or suggest appropriate upaya for this> > > > combination. I know this is not a group for suggesting remedies for > > > > individual horoscope, but if it is possible please suggest upaya for> > > > this combination.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regarding hair of an elephant tail I heard about this upaya from > > > > lal kitab astrologer in Phagwara who suggesting this upaya to one of my> > > > known to place hair of elephant tail in your ring not in home.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I am just starting reading this holy book. If I make any mistake > > > > please correct me.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks and Regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > , " varun_trvd " > > > > varun_trvd@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Respected Pardeep ji> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Mare’s milk> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > There is no mention of the mare’s milk remedy in the 1941> > > > or 1942> > > > > > > > editions for Mars + Saturn combination. It has been added in > > the> > > > 1952.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > edition :> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > “ ghodi jab bachcha deve to uska pahali dafa ka doodh jo> > > > uske> > > > > > > > [ghori ke] bachche ne abhi peena shuru na kiya ho nikal kar > > > > sheeshe ke> > > > > > > > bartan mein qayam rakhe to dhan daulat ki barkat bhi hogi aur> > > > daake ke> > > > > > > > vaqayat ya gaibi dhokhebaji se bachav bhi hota rahega�� > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 883 ]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Mars + Saturn form a Rahu. Therefore the results of this> > > > combination > > > > > > > > would largely depend on the nature of Rahu. The remedy of> > > > establishing> > > > > > > > mare’s first milk at home could be necessary if the above > > > > > > > > combination is afflicted.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Mare [moon], her milk [moon] has been advised to be kept in > > > > > > > > ‘sheeshe ka bartan’, a glass [mercury] container.> > > > This> > > > > > > > will keep Rahu contained and at the same time mercury in check > > > > because a> > > > > > > > malefic mercury in this context will :> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > “ shanishchar ki miyad [36 -39] tak rishtedaron aur khud> > > > teve> > > > > > > > wale ka sab kuchh [ dhan,daulat, mard,aurat] ura de ya ujad > > > > deve��> > > > > > > > [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 883]> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The moon + mercury combination has been described as auspicious> > > > for> > > > > > > > ‘gaibi haal’ and also ‘ dhan daulat> > > > umda’ [ > > > > > > > > 1941 urdu ed; page 262]> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > What I fail to understand is why a mare’s milk ? Why not > > > > a silver> > > > > > > > slab [ chandi ki eent]> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hair of an elephant :> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > There is no mention in the Lal Kitab about it. I am also not > > > > aware of> > > > > > > > any folk tradition which recommends keeping at home a hair of> > an> > > > > > > > elephant's tail.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Astrologically speaking, this might be one of the remedies for> > a> > > > malefic > > > > > > > > Rahu. Sun + Saturn form a malefic Rahu. Therefore taking away a> > > > hair> > > > > > > > [saturn] from an elephant [rahu] will amount to separating the > > > > Saturn> > > > > > > > from the above combination [sun + Saturn] and as a result> > > > leaving only a> > > > > > > > sun behind. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > If that is so, then I will not advise any one keeping the hair > > > > at home> > > > > > > > just like it. It should be kept dipped in ganga jal, so that> > the> > > > Saturn> > > > > > > > stays cool. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Except for the mars + saturn combination the mare's milk has > > > > been> > > > > > > > mentioned in one more context i.e. mars + ketu where it is used> > > > in> > > > > > > > washing the fruits needed in upaya. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > There is no mention in the Lal Kitab of hair from an elephant's > > > > tail.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > , " kapoorpardeep " > > > > > > > > <kapoorpardeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Respected Sirs,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > There is a upaya given in Arun Samhita 1952 Lal Kitab edition > > > > for the> > > > > > > > combination of mars and saturn to keep Mare's first milk. Also,> > > > I heard> > > > > > > > about keeping the elephant's tail hair. I would like to know it > > > > is for> > > > > > > > which purpose one need to keep Mare's first milk and elephant> > > > tail hair> > > > > > > > or is there any other combination for which this upaya needs to > > > > do.> > > > > > > > Please elaborate the reason behind this upaya.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to> > > > http://messenger./invite/ > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 Respected Sharat ji, I believe so. Regards, Varun Trivedi , sharat pandit <sharatpandit wrote: > > Thank you Varun ji for your prompt answers to all my queries. I think > extending the same logic, drains getting frequently blocked in the house can > also be a bad omen. > > regards > > sharat > > On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 3:25 PM, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: > > > > > > > Respected Sharat ji, > > > > I am pasting here an answer by our Guru Pt Bhooshan priya ji to a similar > > query regarding Rahu turning malefic. > > > > Regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > Rahu Turning Malefic > > > > At times we unwittingly make planets malefic through our own actions. Rahu > > turns malefic if we: > > > > [ 1 ] create smoke in the house or if there is no route for the smoke to > > get out. > > [ 2 ] not having good relations with wife’s brother { saale } > > [ 3 ] hurt cats > > [ 4 ] hurt or ill treat a sweeper > > [ 5 ] Let the drain water accumulate near the house. > > [ 6 ] changing the place of the toilets > > [ 7 ] burning fire under the staircase. > > [ 8 ] Getting only the roof redone. > > [ 9 ] allowing the drain to go down under the threshold. > > [ 10 ] becoming a false witness > > > > These are a few very general conditions, which I remembered at random, when > > Rahu can turn malefic. There would be a lot more depending on where the rahu > > is placed in the horoscope. > > > > Bhooshan Priya > > > > --- In <%40>, > > sharat pandit <sharatpandit@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear varun ji > > > > > > What precautions are suggested by lal kitab so that Rahu does not become > > > malefic or belligerent. > > > > > > regards > > > > > > Sharat > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 11:38 AM, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Sharat ji, > > > > > > > > I believe, under normal circumstances, the adverse effects should be > > only > > > > upto the age of 40 if Mars is malefic and/or Rahu is malefic. The > > adverse > > > > efects might continue even beyond the age of 40 if one turns either of > > these > > > > planets or Rahu into malefic through his own action. > > > > > > > > Yes if placed in the 9th and not afflicted by mercury, a 'pitra yagya' > > is > > > > advised and yes this combination should act as an accelerator of > > Bhagya. > > > > > > > > I think keeping at home an electric oven in good condition should not > > make > > > > a difference. An out of order oven would indicate a Rahu gone malefic > > and > > > > therefore care should be taken. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > <%40>, > > > > > > sharat pandit <sharatpandit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Respected Priya ji, Varun ji and Mahajan ji > > > > > > > > > > For Saturn and Mars together in 8th house, one of the upaya mentioned > > is > > > > > establishing the Shamshan water in the house. In such a condition ie > > > > > Sat+Mars in 8th house, is keeping an oven akin to establising an iron > > > > > tandoor/ bhatti in the house? should therefore having an oven in the > > > > house > > > > > would have bad effects? would it give bad results even after 40 yrs > > of > > > > age? > > > > > > > > > > Sat + Mars in 9th house would give bad effects only if Mercury is in > > 3,5 > > > > or > > > > > 9th house. In case this conjunction is free from any malefic effect > > of > > > > > Mercury, then if any yagya-pujan or celebration is done for any elder > > in > > > > the > > > > > house, it gives very auspicious results and is considered 'kismat > > jaganey > > > > > wala asar'. > > > > > > > > > > your comments pl. and clarification about sat+mars in 8 H and keeping > > an > > > > > oven in the house. > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > Sharat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 3:50 PM, heartzthief54 <heartzthief54@ > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat+mars+jupiter+rahu ke baare mein lal kitab ne clear likha hai > > yeh > > > > > > shaksh chor, thug,daku ka sardar hoga (sat+mar =chor chor mausere > > bhai > > > > + > > > > > > guru yani ki chor thug ka guru) abb rahu ka kya kaam hai , dhayan > > se > > > > > > dekhe/padhe to bahut hee mazedar baat niklati hai kee rahu ka yahan > > kya > > > > > > kaam hai ? khud hee chori ke liye uksayega aur khud hee police ko > > bata > > > > > > dega ki wahan aaj chori ya daka padega.Matlab saaf kee unko pakdo > > aur > > > > > > mera hissa mukjko do. > > > > > > > > > > > > Aaj ke zamane ke hisab se aisa jatak mere khayal se koi politician > > ya > > > > > > IPS ya bahut hee bada Tout type ka insaan hona chahiye ya > > hoga.(unko > > > > > > yehi kaam suit karega yeh mera apna vichar hai ) > > > > > > > > > > > > Aur yeh charo (4) star shayad may 1980 about 31st ko ikathe hue > > > > > > they.kyonki maine aise teve dekhe hain. Woh Jatak kya karte hain ya > > kya > > > > > > hain, unka yahan jikar na to karna chahta hoon na hee karna achha > > > > > > samjhata hoon. > > > > > > > > > > > > MAHAJAN > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > <%40> > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > " varun_trvd " > > > > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Goel saheb, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Longitudes of planets are an astronomical reality, and when > > necessary > > > > > > they have to be taken into consideration. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have put this combination into a straight jacket , in 9th > > dharma > > > > > > raj everywhere else yamraj. In the Lal Kitab, it is not as simple > > as > > > > > > that. The combination has its 'nek' and 'manda' effects across > > houses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With respect and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > <%40> > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > Gopal Goel gkgoel1937@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. VARUN� TRIVEDY JI , > > > > > > > > Once you talk about Degrees of planets , then other principile > > of > > > > > > astrological > > > > > > > > will be applicable. > > > > > > > > In any case if Saturn and Mars are togeather in 9H , THEY ACT > > AS > > > > > > DHARMARAJA, > > > > > > > > in any other house they act as yamraj. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > � G.K.GOEL > > > > > > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > > > > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > > > > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > > > > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > varun_trvd varun_trvd@ > > > > > > > > To: <%40> > > <%40> > > > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, 20 April, 2009 7:05:38 PM > > > > > > > > LK discussion group Re: Mare's milk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Pardeep ji, > > > > > > > > Since you are studying Lal Kitab, you should be very careful > > while > > > > > > reading. > > > > > > > > The Mare's milk remedy has not been mentioned for Mars + saturn > > in > > > > > > the 12th house. > > > > > > > > It has been mentioned as a remedy if this combination is > > afflicted > > > > > > or for mandi halat. In my previous message I had quoted the exact > > > > > > context in which this upaya is needed. > > > > > > > > If this combination is in the 12th house it should not need an > > > > upaya > > > > > > because because for the 12th house it says� : > > > > > > > > asar dono den apana apana, nek bhala aur umda do > > > > > > > > Rahu bura na teve hoga, na hi ketu budh manda ho > > > > > > > > You have talked about 4 planets in the 12th house. You can not > > form > > > > > > Masnuyee planets at random. There has to be a system while doing > > it. > > > > The > > > > > > accepted system is that only those planets can form a masnuyee > > planet > > > > > > who have the longitudinal proximity within them. > > > > > > > > Of these 4 planets suppose you have: > > > > > > > > saturn at 5 degrees > > > > > > > > Rahu at 7 d > > > > > > > > Mars at� 9 d > > > > > > > > Jupiter at 27d > > > > > > > > In this case, you can not form a masnuyee mercury through > > adding up > > > > > > Jupiter and rahu because there is no proximity between them; mars > > is in > > > > > > between them. > > > > > > > > You can not form a masnuyee with saturn and mars because they > > again > > > > > > are not together because rahu comes in between. > > > > > > > > Therefore in this combination you can not form any masnuyee > > planet. > > > > > > > > As for the Upaya, I am afraid I can not suggest as per the > > rules of > > > > > > this group. > > > > > > > > As for the� elephant tail hair upaya, I can not find a logic > > as > > > > > > to why� the learned Lal Kitab astrologer from Phagwara suggested > > it > > > > > > to be worn in a ring, unless he wanted to use the hair as a > > substitute > > > > > > for a� gem. > > > > > > > > Since� we [ Aligarh group] are� against wearing any kind of > > > > > > gems I wouldn't know much about it. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > � > > > > > > > > � > > > > > > > > � > > > > > > > > � > > > > > > > > � > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kapoorpardeep " > > > > > > <kapoorpardeep@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Varun Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your prompt regarding both of my queries. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding Mare's milk it is mentioned in Arun Samhita 1952 > > > > edition > > > > > > page 349 for house number 12. Sir, as you mentioned, Mars+Saturn = > > > > Rahu. > > > > > > It is also mentioned that Mars+Saturn makes benefic Rahu. So, > > please > > > > > > suggest me why this upaya suggested for a benefic Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir, if in a particular horoscope there is a combination of > > > > > > Saturn+Mars+ Rahu+Jupiter in 12th house please suggest whether in > > this > > > > > > horoscope need to suggest Mare's first milk upaya or some other as > > > > there > > > > > > can be combination for with this four planets: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn+Mars = Benefic Rahu > > > > > > > > > This makes Benefic Rahu+Rahu+Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter+Rahu = Mercury > > > > > > > > > Mercury+Saturn+ Mars > > > > > > > > > For this particular combination now upaya suggest is offering > > > > > > " batashe " in temple. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please clear my doubts or suggest appropriate upaya for this > > > > > > combination. I know this is not a group for suggesting remedies for > > > > > > individual horoscope, but if it is possible please suggest upaya > > for > > > > > > this combination. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding hair of an elephant tail I heard about this upaya > > from > > > > > > lal kitab astrologer in Phagwara who suggesting this upaya to one > > of my > > > > > > known to place hair of elephant tail in your ring not in home. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am just starting reading this holy book. If I make any > > mistake > > > > > > please correct me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " varun_trvd " > > > > > > varun_trvd@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Pardeep ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mare’s milk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no mention of the mare’s milk remedy in the 1941 > > > > > > or 1942 > > > > > > > > > > editions for Mars + Saturn combination. It has been added > > in > > > > the > > > > > > 1952. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > edition : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > “ ghodi jab bachcha deve to uska pahali dafa ka doodh jo > > > > > > uske > > > > > > > > > > [ghori ke] bachche ne abhi peena shuru na kiya ho nikal kar > > > > > > sheeshe ke > > > > > > > > > > bartan mein qayam rakhe to dhan daulat ki barkat bhi hogi > > aur > > > > > > daake ke > > > > > > > > > > vaqayat ya gaibi dhokhebaji se bachav bhi hota rahega�� > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 883 ] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars + Saturn form a Rahu. Therefore the results of this > > > > > > combination > > > > > > > > > > would largely depend on the nature of Rahu. The remedy of > > > > > > establishing > > > > > > > > > > mare’s first milk at home could be necessary if the above > > > > > > > > > > combination is afflicted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mare [moon], her milk [moon] has been advised to be kept in > > > > > > > > > > ‘sheeshe ka bartan’, a glass [mercury] container. > > > > > > This > > > > > > > > > > will keep Rahu contained and at the same time mercury in > > check > > > > > > because a > > > > > > > > > > malefic mercury in this context will : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > “ shanishchar ki miyad [36 -39] tak rishtedaron aur khud > > > > > > teve > > > > > > > > > > wale ka sab kuchh [ dhan,daulat, mard,aurat] ura de ya ujad > > > > > > deve�� > > > > > > > > > > [ 1952 urdu ed ; page 883] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The moon + mercury combination has been described as > > auspicious > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > ‘gaibi haal’ and also ‘ dhan daulat > > > > > > umda’ [ > > > > > > > > > > 1941 urdu ed; page 262] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What I fail to understand is why a mare’s milk ? Why not > > > > > > a silver > > > > > > > > > > slab [ chandi ki eent] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hair of an elephant : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no mention in the Lal Kitab about it. I am also > > not > > > > > > aware of > > > > > > > > > > any folk tradition which recommends keeping at home a hair > > of > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > elephant's tail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologically speaking, this might be one of the remedies > > for > > > > a > > > > > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > Rahu. Sun + Saturn form a malefic Rahu. Therefore taking > > away a > > > > > > hair > > > > > > > > > > [saturn] from an elephant [rahu] will amount to separating > > the > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > from the above combination [sun + Saturn] and as a result > > > > > > leaving only a > > > > > > > > > > sun behind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If that is so, then I will not advise any one keeping the > > hair > > > > > > at home > > > > > > > > > > just like it. It should be kept dipped in ganga jal, so > > that > > > > the > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > stays cool. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Except for the mars + saturn combination the mare's milk > > has > > > > > > been > > > > > > > > > > mentioned in one more context i.e. mars + ketu where it is > > used > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > washing the fruits needed in upaya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no mention in the Lal Kitab of hair from an > > elephant's > > > > > > tail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > " kapoorpardeep " > > > > > > > > > > <kapoorpardeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Sirs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a upaya given in Arun Samhita 1952 Lal Kitab > > edition > > > > > > for the > > > > > > > > > > combination of mars and saturn to keep Mare's first milk. > > Also, > > > > > > I heard > > > > > > > > > > about keeping the elephant's tail hair. I would like to > > know it > > > > > > is for > > > > > > > > > > which purpose one need to keep Mare's first milk and > > elephant > > > > > > tail hair > > > > > > > > > > or is there any other combination for which this upaya > > needs to > > > > > > do. > > > > > > > > > > Please elaborate the reason behind this upaya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to > > > > > > http://messenger./invite/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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