Ketu remedy

[Guest guest]

Dear Sir,

 

It is advised that one should keep an iron goli painted red if he has Ketu in

the first house. Sir how is a red iron goli related to Ketu? Will be grateful if

you could explain. Thanking you in advance. Sincerely,Shivraman

[Guest guest]

Respected Sivraman ji,

 

Lal Kitab says:

 

“ravi ko gar vah madhyam kare to graham chandra ko karata haiâ€

 

[ 1942 urdu ed ; page 230]

 

When the Sun is afflicted by Ketu and as a consequence gets dim [ madhyam] and therefore loses its brilliance/warmth then the upaya, to keep a round iron goli painted dull red, is advised. The nishaniyan of such an affliction could be a conflict with the State, problems in Government job, blood pressure, erratic heart beat, etc.

 

The sun doesn’t have its brilliance/warmth in the early morning or when setting in the evening. The indicator is the ‘lalami’ [redness]. Therefore an upaya has to be done to separate this redness from the sun so that its brilliance/warmth is restored. ‘lalami’ is related to Mars.

 

The help of mercury too will have to be taken so that the ‘chaal and buniyad’ of the planets could be corrected.

 

It is the shrewdness of the Saturn which can help achieve it. The saturn would act as a catalyst to separate the 'lalami' [mars] from the Sun. Therefore the help of Saturn too will be needed.

 

Summarizing, the help of three planets i.e. Saturn, mercury and the mars will have to be sought.

 

Therefore the upaya suggests to keep an iron [ saturn] goli [mercury] painted dull red [mars]

 

Regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "lshivraman" <lshivraman wrote:>> Dear Sir,> > It is advised that one should keep an iron goli painted red if he has Ketu in the first house. Sir how is a red iron goli related to Ketu? Will be grateful if you could explain. Thanking you in advance. Sincerely,Shivraman>

[Guest guest]

Respected Varun ji,

Thanks for the explanation of ketu remedy in the first house.. But If the Sun is posited in 7th house, does the same remedy will work?

 

It is said that Ketu in first becomes bad after marriage.

 

2) The Ketu in the 5th house is not considered bad as 5th is the house of his Guru. The condition is that Jupiter, Moon or Sun should be in 4th, 6th or 12th house, Why? Particularly Jupiter should be in good condition i.e. strong. Venus is posited 4th and Saturn ib 9th house ?

 

If Ketu in 5th is posited with Mercury, Moon in 4th and Sun in 6th.and other planets in 6th i.e. Jupiter in 6th, (ketu) will suffer? Why it gives the disease of breathe? It is said that if Venus, Mercury or Saturn posxited in 2nd, 5th or 12th, the pakka house of Jupiter, the native will not have happiness from his children Why 9th house has not been taken? Its remedy.

Regards--- On Sun, 5/17/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote:

varun_trvd <varun_trvdLK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy Date: Sunday, May 17, 2009, 11:39 AM

 

 

 

Respected Sivraman ji,

 

Lal Kitab says:

 

“ravi ko gar vah madhyam kare to graham chandra ko karata haiâ€

 

[ 1942 urdu ed ; page 230]

 

When the Sun is afflicted by Ketu and as a consequence gets dim [ madhyam] and therefore loses its brilliance/warmth then the upaya, to keep a round iron goli painted dull red, is advised. The nishaniyan of such an affliction could be a conflict with the State, problems in Government job, blood pressure, erratic heart beat, etc.

 

The sun doesn’t have its brilliance/warmth in the early morning or when setting in the evening. The indicator is the ‘lalami’ [redness]. Therefore an upaya has to be done to separate this redness from the sun so that its brilliance/warmth is restored. ‘lalami’ is related to Mars.

 

The help of mercury too will have to be taken so that the ‘chaal and buniyad’ of the planets could be corrected.

 

It is the shrewdness of the Saturn which can help achieve it. The saturn would act as a catalyst to separate the 'lalami' [mars] from the Sun. Therefore the help of Saturn too will be needed.

 

Summarizing, the help of three planets i.e. Saturn, mercury and the mars will have to be sought.

 

Therefore the upaya suggests to keep an iron [ saturn] goli [mercury] painted dull red [mars]

 

Regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "lshivraman" <lshivraman@. ..> wrote:>> Dear Sir,> > It is advised that one should keep an iron goli painted red if he has Ketu in the first house. Sir how is a red iron goli related to Ketu? Will be grateful if you could explain. Thanking you in advance. Sincerely,Shivraman>

[Guest guest]

Respected Kursija ji,

 

The upaya discussed is for Ketu as such when afflicting the sun.

 

If the Sun is in the 7th house while the Ketu is in the 1st house, then the sun

would be afflicted by the rahu being in the 7th. In this case the upaya will

have to be done for all the three; for ketu to restore the brilliance of the

sun, for the sun to strengthen it, and for the rahu in the 7th.

 

Yes, the Lal Kitab says that after the marriage there could be a possibility of

Ketu going ‘manda’. In this situation the Saturn would automatically help,

if not a saturn upaya will be helpful. To my mind the marriage establishes a

Venus [ rahu + ketu ]. Therefore it is the establishing of the rahu component

which could result in making the Ketu behave ‘manda’.

 

[ 2 ] If the Ketu is in the 5th house, the Jupiter should be well placed; and

the planets inimical to Jupiter should not be in the adjacent houses or in the

12th house the house of conflict [ takrav]

When ketu is placed in the 5th with mercury and Jupiter in the 6th a parivartan

takes place. Jupiter becomes malefic. Ketu in the company of mercury gets manda.

In this situation even the placement of moon or/and sun in the adjacent houses

may not be able to help. Jupiter in the 6th as such can cause the breathing

trouble.

 

When the planets inimical to Jupiter like venus, mercury etc are placed in

2,5,12 then the ‘grahasti sukh’ is likely to be adversely affected. The

results of Ketu in the 5th especially the comfort from the sons is likely to be

lessened. The 9th house has not been included because the 9th house is not only

a pakka house of Jupiter, it also belongs to Jupiter therefore less likely to

harm Jupiter and consequently ketu. The 12 house has been included because it is

in the 6-8 takrav position from the 5th. The book advises to gift the karak

objects of moon and mars to get over this situation.

 

With respect and regards

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija

wrote:

>

> Respected Varun ji,

>

> Thanks for the explanation of ketu remedy in the first house.. But If the Sun

is posited in 7th house, does the same remedy will work?

>  

> It is said that Ketu in first becomes bad after marriage.

>  

> 2) The Ketu in the 5th house is not considered bad as 5th is the house of his

Guru. The condition is that Jupiter, Moon or Sun should be in 4th, 6th or 12th

house, Why? Particularly Jupiter should be in good condition i.e. strong. Venus

is posited 4th and Saturn ib 9th house ?

>  

> If Ketu in 5th is posited with Mercury, Moon in 4th and Sun in 6th.and other

planets in 6th i.e.  Jupiter in 6th, (ketu)  will suffer? Why it gives the

disease of breathe? It is said that if Venus, Mercury or Saturn posxited in 2nd,

5th or 12th, the pakka house of Jupiter, the native will not have happiness from

his children Why 9th house has not been taken? Its remedy.

>

> Regards

>

>

--- On Sun, 5/17/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote:

>

>

> varun_trvd <varun_trvd

> LK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy

>

> Sunday, May 17, 2009, 11:39 AM

>

>

>

Respected Sivraman ji,

>  

> Lal Kitab says:

>  

> “ravi ko gar vah madhyam kare to graham chandra ko karata haiâ€

>  

>                                      [

1942 urdu ed ; page 230]

>  

> When the Sun is afflicted by Ketu and as a consequence gets dim [ madhyam] and

therefore loses its brilliance/warmth then the upaya, to keep a round iron goli

painted dull red, is advised. The nishaniyan of such an affliction could be a

conflict with the State, problems in Government job, blood pressure, erratic

heart beat, etc.

>  

> The sun doesn’t have its brilliance/warmth in the early morning or when

setting in the evening. The indicator is the ‘lalami’ [redness]. Therefore

an upaya has to be done to separate this redness from the sun so that its

brilliance/warmth is restored. ‘lalami’ is related to Mars.

>  

> The help of mercury too will have to be taken so that the ‘chaal and

buniyad’ of the planets could be corrected.

>  

> It is the shrewdness of the Saturn which can help achieve it. The saturn would

act as a catalyst to separate the 'lalami' [mars] from the Sun. Therefore the

help of Saturn too will be needed.

>  

> Summarizing, the help of three planets i.e. Saturn, mercury and the mars will

have to be sought.

>  

> Therefore the upaya suggests to keep an iron [ saturn] goli [mercury] painted

dull red [mars]

>  

> Regards,

>  

> Varun Trivedi

>

>  

>  

>  

>  

>  

> , " lshivraman " <lshivraman@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> > It is advised that one should keep an iron goli painted red if he has Ketu

in the first house. Sir how is a red iron goli related to Ketu? Will be grateful

if you could explain. Thanking you in advance. Sincerely,Shivraman

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sir varun ji,

 

Many thanks for explaning this remedy.sincerely

Shivraman

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote:

>

>

> Respected Sivraman ji,

>

>

>

> Lal Kitab says:

>

>

>

> “ravi ko gar vah madhyam kare to graham chandra ko karata

> haiâ€

>

>

>

> [ 1942 urdu ed ; page 230]

>

>

>

> When the Sun is afflicted by Ketu and as a consequence gets dim [

> madhyam] and therefore loses its brilliance/warmth then the upaya, to

> keep a round iron goli painted dull red, is advised. The nishaniyan of

> such an affliction could be a conflict with the State, problems in

> Government job, blood pressure, erratic heart beat, etc.

>

>

>

> The sun doesn’t have its brilliance/warmth in the early morning

> or when setting in the evening. The indicator is the

> ‘lalami’ [redness]. Therefore an upaya has to be done to

> separate this redness from the sun so that its brilliance/warmth is

> restored. ‘lalami’ is related to Mars.

>

>

>

> The help of mercury too will have to be taken so that the ‘chaal

> and buniyad’ of the planets could be corrected.

>

>

>

> It is the shrewdness of the Saturn which can help achieve it. The saturn

> would act as a catalyst to separate the 'lalami' [mars] from the Sun.

> Therefore the help of Saturn too will be needed.

>

>

>

> Summarizing, the help of three planets i.e. Saturn, mercury and the mars

> will have to be sought.

>

>

>

> Therefore the upaya suggests to keep an iron [ saturn] goli [mercury]

> painted dull red [mars]

>

>

>

> Regards,

>

>

>

> Varun Trivedi

>

>

>

>

>

>

, " lshivraman "

> <lshivraman@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> > It is advised that one should keep an iron goli painted red if he has

> Ketu in the first house. Sir how is a red iron goli related to Ketu?

> Will be grateful if you could explain. Thanking you in advance.

> Sincerely,Shivraman

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Respected Varun ji,

Thanks for the prompt reply and explanations. If you allow me I would like to put some more querey regarding Ketu Son, as the children are the result of our prevous karma.

Ket is fiery and Tamsic being like Mars but shishya/deciple of Jupiter.

 

Ketu in 8th is always malefic for the children, son. If there is son to the native, the native will always be worried about him. If the Ketu is with Mars and Venus in 8th, Ketu will be established, What Mars Venus and Rahu will do? and what should be the remedy when Sun, Mercury and Saturn are also in the 9th i.e. 2nd to Ketu the house of Takrar, maraka --- On Mon, 5/18/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote:

varun_trvd <varun_trvdLK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 8:52 AM

 

 

Respected Kursija ji,The upaya discussed is for Ketu as such when afflicting the sun.If the Sun is in the 7th house while the Ketu is in the 1st house, then the sun would be afflicted by the rahu being in the 7th. In this case the upaya will have to be done for all the three; for ketu to restore the brilliance of the sun, for the sun to strengthen it, and for the rahu in the 7th.Yes, the Lal Kitab says that after the marriage there could be a possibility of Ketu going ‘manda’. In this situation the Saturn would automatically help, if not a saturn upaya will be helpful. To my mind the marriage establishes a Venus [ rahu + ketu ]. Therefore it is the establishing of the rahu component which could result in making the Ketu behave ‘manda’.[ 2 ] If the Ketu is in the 5th house, the Jupiter should be well placed; and the planets inimical to Jupiter should not be in the adjacent houses or in the 12th house the house

of conflict [ takrav] When ketu is placed in the 5th with mercury and Jupiter in the 6th a parivartan takes place. Jupiter becomes malefic. Ketu in the company of mercury gets manda. In this situation even the placement of moon or/and sun in the adjacent houses may not be able to help. Jupiter in the 6th as such can cause the breathing trouble. When the planets inimical to Jupiter like venus, mercury etc are placed in 2,5,12 then the ‘grahasti sukh’ is likely to be adversely affected. The results of Ketu in the 5th especially the comfort from the sons is likely to be lessened. The 9th house has not been included because the 9th house is not only a pakka house of Jupiter, it also belongs to Jupiter therefore less likely to harm Jupiter and consequently ketu. The 12 house has been included because it is in the 6-8 takrav position from the 5th. The book advises to gift the karak objects of moon and mars to get over this

situation.With respect and regardsVarun Trivedi , "S.C. Kursija" <sckursija@. ..> wrote:>> Respected Varun ji,> > Thanks for the explanation of ketu remedy in the first house.. But If the Sun is posited in 7th house, does the same remedy will work?> > It is said that Ketu in first becomes bad after marriage.> > 2) The Ketu in the 5th house is not considered bad as 5th is the house of his Guru. The condition is that Jupiter, Moon or Sun should be in 4th, 6th or 12th house, Why? Particularly Jupiter should be in good condition i.e. strong. Venus is posited 4th and Saturn ib 9th house ?> > If Ketu in 5th is posited

with Mercury, Moon in 4th and Sun in 6th.and other planets in 6th i.e. Jupiter in 6th, (ketu) will suffer? Why it gives the disease of breathe? It is said that if Venus, Mercury or Saturn posxited in 2nd, 5th or 12th, the pakka house of Jupiter, the native will not have happiness from his children Why 9th house has not been taken? Its remedy.> > Regards> > > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 5/17/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> wrote:> > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...>> LK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy> > Sunday, May 17, 2009, 11:39 AM> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Sivraman ji,> > Lal Kitab says:> > “ravi ko gar vah madhyam kare to graham chandra ko karata haiâ€> > [ 1942 urdu ed ; page 230]> > When the Sun is afflicted by Ketu and as a consequence gets dim [ madhyam] and therefore loses its brilliance/warmth then the upaya, to keep a round iron goli painted dull red, is advised. The nishaniyan of such an affliction could be a conflict with the State, problems in Government job, blood pressure, erratic heart beat, etc.> > The sun doesn’t have its brilliance/warmth in the early morning or when setting in the evening. The indicator is the

‘lalami’ [redness]. Therefore an upaya has to be done to separate this redness from the sun so that its brilliance/warmth is restored. ‘lalami’ is related to Mars.> > The help of mercury too will have to be taken so that the ‘chaal and buniyad’ of the planets could be corrected.> > It is the shrewdness of the Saturn which can help achieve it. The saturn would act as a catalyst to separate the 'lalami' [mars] from the Sun. Therefore the help of Saturn too will be needed.> > Summarizing, the help of three planets i.e. Saturn, mercury and the mars will have to be sought.> > Therefore the upaya suggests to keep an iron [ saturn] goli [mercury] painted dull red [mars]> > Regards,> > Varun Trivedi> > > > > > > @.

com, "lshivraman" <lshivraman@ ..> wrote:> >> > Dear Sir,> >> > It is advised that one should keep an iron goli painted red if he has Ketu in the first house. Sir how is a red iron goli related to Ketu? Will be grateful if you could explain. Thanking you in advance. Sincerely,Shivraman> >>

[Guest guest]

Respected Kursija ji,

 

Ketu placed in the 8th house will not be malefic for progeny per se unless it is

afflicted. Ketu in the 8th has been described as “ bachchon ki muhabbat ke gam

mein chhat par rone wala kuttaâ€. I am aware of the dictum that ketu is kujvat

and Rahu shanivat.

 

Yes, it can delay progeny depending on where the mercury is placed. If mercury

is placed in the adrashta ardha [ house 1 to 6 ] then the jatak is likely to

beget a son before the age 34 years and such a son is long lived. If the mercury

is placed in the drashta ardha [ house 7 to 12] then the birth of a son might

get delayed and be born after the age of 34 years. If the Ketu in the 8th is

slightly afflicted and the mercury is placed in the drashta ardha then the

sonmight be born even around 45 -48 years.

 

Mars, venus and ketu in the 8th house; with the sun, mercury and Saturn in the

9th: In this combination Mars becomes shubh because the sun and the mercury are

together. Therefore the combination basically becomes shubh mars + Venus + ketu.

Although the Mars + ketu combination in the 8th house is considered as bad,

there might be some saving grace because of mars being shubha. The best upaya

would be getting the ear pierced and wear a gold stud or wire for 96 hours at

least. There can be quite a few alternative upaya. Since we do not discuss upaya

in this group, I will not go into them.

 

Sun, mercury and Saturn in the 9th: In this case these planets will give their

own effect and that too benefic. Because of the presence of the mercury, there

will be no hostility between the sun and the Saturn. Yes, this combination will

adversely affect the Jupiter and its significations. In that case the upaya for

Jupiter will have to be done so that it is protected against any adverse effect

of this combination in the 9th house.

 

With respect and regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija

wrote:

>

> Respected Varun ji,

> Thanks for the prompt reply and explanations. If you allow me I would like to

put some more querey regarding Ketu Son, as the children are the result of our

prevous karma.

> Ket is fiery and Tamsic being like Mars but shishya/deciple  of Jupiter.

>  

> Ketu in 8th is always malefic for the children, son. If there is son to the

native, the native will always be worried about him. If the Ketu is with Mars

and Venus in 8th, Ketu will be established, What Mars Venus and Rahu will do?

and what should be the remedy when Sun, Mercury and Saturn are also in the 9th

i.e. 2nd to Ketu the house of Takrar, maraka

>

> --- On Mon, 5/18/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote:

>

>

> varun_trvd <varun_trvd

> LK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy

>

> Monday, May 18, 2009, 8:52 AM

>

>

Respected Kursija ji,

>

> The upaya discussed is for Ketu as such when afflicting the sun.

>

> If the Sun is in the 7th house while the Ketu is in the 1st house, then the

sun would be afflicted by the rahu being in the 7th. In this case the upaya will

have to be done for all the three; for ketu to restore the brilliance of the

sun, for the sun to strengthen it, and for the rahu in the 7th.

>

> Yes, the Lal Kitab says that after the marriage there could be a possibility

of Ketu going ‘manda’. In this situation the Saturn would automatically

help, if not a saturn upaya will be helpful. To my mind the marriage establishes

a Venus [ rahu + ketu ]. Therefore it is the establishing of the rahu component

which could result in making the Ketu behave ‘manda’.

>

> [ 2 ] If the Ketu is in the 5th house, the Jupiter should be well placed; and

the planets inimical to Jupiter should not be in the adjacent houses or in the

12th house the house of conflict [ takrav]

> When ketu is placed in the 5th with mercury and Jupiter in the 6th a

parivartan takes place. Jupiter becomes malefic. Ketu in the company of mercury

gets manda. In this situation even the placement of moon or/and sun in the

adjacent houses may not be able to help. Jupiter in the 6th as such can cause

the breathing trouble.

>

> When the planets inimical to Jupiter like venus, mercury etc are placed in

2,5,12 then the ‘grahasti sukh’ is likely to be adversely affected. The

results of Ketu in the 5th especially the comfort from the sons is likely to be

lessened. The 9th house has not been included because the 9th house is not only

a pakka house of Jupiter, it also belongs to Jupiter therefore less likely to

harm Jupiter and consequently ketu. The 12 house has been included because it is

in the 6-8 takrav position from the 5th. The book advises to gift the karak

objects of moon and mars to get over this situation.

>

> With respect and regards

>

> Varun Trivedi

>

> , " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > Respected Varun ji,

> >

> > Thanks for the explanation of ketu remedy in the first house.. But If the

Sun is posited in 7th house, does the same remedy will work?

> >  

> > It is said that Ketu in first becomes bad after marriage.

> >  

> > 2) The Ketu in the 5th house is not considered bad as 5th is the house of

his Guru. The condition is that Jupiter, Moon or Sun should be in 4th, 6th or

12th house, Why? Particularly Jupiter should be in good condition i.e. strong.

Venus is posited 4th and Saturn ib 9th house ?

> >  

> > If Ketu in 5th is posited with Mercury, Moon in 4th and Sun in 6th.and other

planets in 6th i.e.  Jupiter in 6th, (ketu)  will suffer? Why it gives the

disease of breathe? It is said that if Venus, Mercury or Saturn posxited in 2nd,

5th or 12th, the pakka house of Jupiter, the native will not have happiness from

his children Why 9th house has not been taken? Its remedy.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > --- On Sun, 5/17/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...>

> > LK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy

> >

> > Sunday, May 17, 2009, 11:39 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Respected Sivraman ji,

> >  

> > Lal Kitab says:

> >  

> > “ravi ko gar vah madhyam kare to graham chandra ko karata haiâ€

> >  

> >                                      [

1942 urdu ed ; page 230]

> >  

> > When the Sun is afflicted by Ketu and as a consequence gets dim [ madhyam]

and therefore loses its brilliance/warmth then the upaya, to keep a round iron

goli painted dull red, is advised. The nishaniyan of such an affliction could be

a conflict with the State, problems in Government job, blood pressure, erratic

heart beat, etc.

> >  

> > The sun doesn’t have its brilliance/warmth in the early morning or when

setting in the evening. The indicator is the ‘lalami’ [redness]. Therefore

an upaya has to be done to separate this redness from the sun so that its

brilliance/warmth is restored. ‘lalami’ is related to Mars.

> >  

> > The help of mercury too will have to be taken so that the ‘chaal and

buniyad’ of the planets could be corrected.

> >  

> > It is the shrewdness of the Saturn which can help achieve it. The saturn

would act as a catalyst to separate the 'lalami' [mars] from the Sun. Therefore

the help of Saturn too will be needed.

> >  

> > Summarizing, the help of three planets i.e. Saturn, mercury and the mars

will have to be sought.

> >  

> > Therefore the upaya suggests to keep an iron [ saturn] goli [mercury]

painted dull red [mars]

> >  

> > Regards,

> >  

> > Varun Trivedi

> >

> >  

> >  

> >  

> >  

> >  

> > , " lshivraman " <lshivraman@ ..>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sir,

> > >

> > > It is advised that one should keep an iron goli painted red if he has Ketu

in the first house. Sir how is a red iron goli related to Ketu? Will be grateful

if you could explain. Thanking you in advance. Sincerely,Shivraman

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Respected Kursija ji,

 

In Lal Kitab janma kundali also it is not possible for venus to be in opposition

to mercury. It is only in a varsh phal kundali that venus can be 7 houses apart

from mercury or the sun. You would be aware that the Lal Kitab varsh kundali is

not based on Varsh pravesh, instead it is based on the planetary positions laid

down for each year according to the houses they occupy in the janma kundali.

Venus can also be 7 houses apart from mercury in a Janma kundali prepared with

the help of palmistry.

 

In order to understand the nature of mercury you may have to go to the Lal Kitab

itself. When I said that the ‘chal and buniyad’ is to be corrected and ‘It

is the shrewdness of the Saturn which can help achieve it’ ; or when I talked

of ‘lalami’ I was referring to lines 7-19 of page 233 of 1942 urdu ed of the

book. In order to understand the entire context you have to go through that

passage. The explanation was not forced as you seem to believe. I will never

force an explanation; I consider it academically unethical. I always keep close

to the spirit of the book.

 

No, I did not forget the Ketu in 8th dictum ‘bachchon ki muhabbat ke gam

mein…’, I had quoted it myself in my previous answer.

 

Whether the combination of mars + ketu or mars + venus would be good or bad will

depend on the nature of Mars. Since the sun and mercury are together, mars

should act benefic. Yes mercury alone in the 9th is ‘kodhi’ but the results

get modified when with the sun.

 

For Mars in the 8th house, though in its pakka ghar, the Lal Kitab suggests

upaya for it. Had mars been non-remediable the book would not have suggested the

upaya for it.

 

No, you have not commented wrongly. As a matter of fact I love such discussions.

These discussions help us keep abreast with the book and make us think.

 

I welcome your inquisitiveness. I hope that you will continue posting such

queries in the future also.

 

With respect and regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija

wrote:

>

> Respected Sh Varun ji,

> Thanks for sparing your valuable time for my query. But I am sorry to write

that being follower of Parashar system, I am not able to understand Mercury of

Laal Kitab. In Laal Kitab Mercury can be in opposition to Venus which is not

possible in Astronomy. Mercury+Ketu, Mercury+Venus in " Muthi Bandha ke gharo

me "   Mercury_Jupiter, Mercury+Mars are malefic in laal Kitab irrespective of

any house. While discussing remedy for Sun+Ketu, " lal goli of iron " you wrote

that for Mercury

> the ‘chaal and buniyad’ of the planets could be corrected. " How a planet

which gives the results of his conjunct ed planet can correct the Chaal and

Buniyad of other planet.

> More over why is the necessity of Saturn iron to separated the Lalima of Sun?

Sun and Mars are friend, Sun is karaka and other is lord of the house. Both will

go hand in hand. How one can enter political field with out the courage of Mars,

lalima? The explanation apprears to be forced.

> Ketu in 8th you forget the dictu m of laal Kitab “ bachchon ki muhabbat ke

gam mein chhat par rone wala kuttaâ€. The combination of Ketu and Mars and

Venus and Mars in 8th be beneficial? Mercury in the 9th house is Kodi when with

other planets  Mars in 8the is in his pakka house. Can we change the nature of

the planet in his pakka ghara.

> I have little knowledge of Laal Kitab, You are the master. I beg apology if I

have commented wrongly.

> regards.

> --- On Mon, 5/18/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote:

>

>

> varun_trvd <varun_trvd

> LK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy

>

> Monday, May 18, 2009, 5:51 PM

>

>

Respected Kursija ji,

>

> Ketu placed in the 8th house will not be malefic for progeny per se unless it

is afflicted. Ketu in the 8th has been described as “ bachchon ki muhabbat ke

gam mein chhat par rone wala kuttaâ€. I am aware of the dictum that ketu is

kujvat and Rahu shanivat.

>

> Yes, it can delay progeny depending on where the mercury is placed. If mercury

is placed in the adrashta ardha [ house 1 to 6 ] then the jatak is likely to

beget a son before the age 34 years and such a son is long lived. If the mercury

is placed in the drashta ardha [ house 7 to 12] then the birth of a son might

get delayed and be born after the age of 34 years. If the Ketu in the 8th is

slightly afflicted and the mercury is placed in the drashta ardha then the

sonmight be born even around 45 -48 years.

>

> Mars, venus and ketu in the 8th house; with the sun, mercury and Saturn in the

9th: In this combination Mars becomes shubh because the sun and the mercury are

together. Therefore the combination basically becomes shubh mars + Venus + ketu.

Although the Mars + ketu combination in the 8th house is considered as bad,

there might be some saving grace because of mars being shubha. The best upaya

would be getting the ear pierced and wear a gold stud or wire for 96 hours at

least. There can be quite a few alternative upaya. Since we do not discuss upaya

in this group, I will not go into them.

>

> Sun, mercury and Saturn in the 9th: In this case these planets will give their

own effect and that too benefic. Because of the presence of the mercury, there

will be no hostility between the sun and the Saturn. Yes, this combination will

adversely affect the Jupiter and its significations. In that case the upaya for

Jupiter will have to be done so that it is protected against any adverse effect

of this combination in the 9th house.

>

> With respect and regards,

>

> Varun Trivedi

>

> , " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > Respected Varun ji,

> > Thanks for the prompt reply and explanations. If you allow me I would like

to put some more querey regarding Ketu Son, as the children are the result of

our prevous karma.

> > Ket is fiery and Tamsic being like Mars but shishya/deciple  of Jupiter.

> >  

> > Ketu in 8th is always malefic for the children, son. If there is son to the

native, the native will always be worried about him. If the Ketu is with Mars

and Venus in 8th, Ketu will be established, What Mars Venus and Rahu will do?

and what should be the remedy when Sun, Mercury and Saturn are also in the 9th

i.e. 2nd to Ketu the house of Takrar, maraka

> >

> > --- On Mon, 5/18/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...>

> > LK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy

> >

> > Monday, May 18, 2009, 8:52 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Respected Kursija ji,

> >

> > The upaya discussed is for Ketu as such when afflicting the sun.

> >

> > If the Sun is in the 7th house while the Ketu is in the 1st house, then the

sun would be afflicted by the rahu being in the 7th. In this case the upaya will

have to be done for all the three; for ketu to restore the brilliance of the

sun, for the sun to strengthen it, and for the rahu in the 7th.

> >

> > Yes, the Lal Kitab says that after the marriage there could be a possibility

of Ketu going ‘manda’. In this situation the Saturn would automatically

help, if not a saturn upaya will be helpful. To my mind the marriage establishes

a Venus [ rahu + ketu ]. Therefore it is the establishing of the rahu component

which could result in making the Ketu behave ‘manda’.

> >

> > [ 2 ] If the Ketu is in the 5th house, the Jupiter should be well placed;

and the planets inimical to Jupiter should not be in the adjacent houses or in

the 12th house the house of conflict [ takrav]

> > When ketu is placed in the 5th with mercury and Jupiter in the 6th a

parivartan takes place. Jupiter becomes malefic. Ketu in the company of mercury

gets manda. In this situation even the placement of moon or/and sun in the

adjacent houses may not be able to help. Jupiter in the 6th as such can cause

the breathing trouble.

> >

> > When the planets inimical to Jupiter like venus, mercury etc are placed in

2,5,12 then the ‘grahasti sukh’ is likely to be adversely affected. The

results of Ketu in the 5th especially the comfort from the sons is likely to be

lessened. The 9th house has not been included because the 9th house is not only

a pakka house of Jupiter, it also belongs to Jupiter therefore less likely to

harm Jupiter and consequently ketu. The 12 house has been included because it is

in the 6-8 takrav position from the 5th. The book advises to gift the karak

objects of moon and mars to get over this situation.

> >

> > With respect and regards

> >

> > Varun Trivedi

> >

> > , " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija@ ..>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Varun ji,

> > >

> > > Thanks for the explanation of ketu remedy in the first house.. But If the

Sun is posited in 7th house, does the same remedy will work?

> > >  

> > > It is said that Ketu in first becomes bad after marriage.

> > >  

> > > 2) The Ketu in the 5th house is not considered bad as 5th is the house of

his Guru. The condition is that Jupiter, Moon or Sun should be in 4th, 6th or

12th house, Why? Particularly Jupiter should be in good condition i.e. strong.

Venus is posited 4th and Saturn ib 9th house ?

> > >  

> > > If Ketu in 5th is posited with Mercury, Moon in 4th and Sun in 6th.and

other planets in 6th i.e.  Jupiter in 6th, (ketu)  will suffer? Why it gives

the disease of breathe? It is said that if Venus, Mercury or Saturn posxited in

2nd, 5th or 12th, the pakka house of Jupiter, the native will not have happiness

from his children Why 9th house has not been taken? Its remedy.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- On Sun, 5/17/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...>

> > > LK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy

> > >

> > > Sunday, May 17, 2009, 11:39 AM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Respected Sivraman ji,

> > >  

> > > Lal Kitab says:

> > >  

> > > “ravi ko gar vah madhyam kare to graham chandra ko karata haiâ€

> > >  

> > >                                      [

1942 urdu ed ; page 230]

> > >  

> > > When the Sun is afflicted by Ketu and as a consequence gets dim [ madhyam]

and therefore loses its brilliance/warmth then the upaya, to keep a round iron

goli painted dull red, is advised. The nishaniyan of such an affliction could be

a conflict with the State, problems in Government job, blood pressure, erratic

heart beat, etc.

> > >  

> > > The sun doesn’t have its brilliance/warmth in the early morning or when

setting in the evening. The indicator is the ‘lalami’ [redness]. Therefore

an upaya has to be done to separate this redness from the sun so that its

brilliance/warmth is restored. ‘lalami’ is related to Mars.

> > >  

> > > The help of mercury too will have to be taken so that the ‘chaal and

buniyad’ of the planets could be corrected.

> > >  

> > > It is the shrewdness of the Saturn which can help achieve it. The saturn

would act as a catalyst to separate the 'lalami' [mars] from the Sun. Therefore

the help of Saturn too will be needed.

> > >  

> > > Summarizing, the help of three planets i.e. Saturn, mercury and the mars

will have to be sought.

> > >  

> > > Therefore the upaya suggests to keep an iron [ saturn] goli [mercury]

painted dull red [mars]

> > >  

> > > Regards,

> > >  

> > > Varun Trivedi

> > >

> > >  

> > >  

> > >  

> > >  

> > >  

> > > , " lshivraman " <lshivraman@

...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sir,

> > > >

> > > > It is advised that one should keep an iron goli painted red if he has

Ketu in the first house. Sir how is a red iron goli related to Ketu? Will be

grateful if you could explain. Thanking you in advance. Sincerely,Shivraman

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Respected Varun Ji,

Thanks for bearing me and your patience to reply.

Regards--- On Tue, 5/19/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote:

varun_trvd <varun_trvdLK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 12:02 AM

 

 

Respected Kursija ji,In Lal Kitab janma kundali also it is not possible for venus to be in opposition to mercury. It is only in a varsh phal kundali that venus can be 7 houses apart from mercury or the sun. You would be aware that the Lal Kitab varsh kundali is not based on Varsh pravesh, instead it is based on the planetary positions laid down for each year according to the houses they occupy in the janma kundali. Venus can also be 7 houses apart from mercury in a Janma kundali prepared with the help of palmistry.In order to understand the nature of mercury you may have to go to the Lal Kitab itself. When I said that the ‘chal and buniyad’ is to be corrected and ‘It is the shrewdness of the Saturn which can help achieve it’ ; or when I talked of ‘lalami’ I was referring to lines 7-19 of page 233 of 1942 urdu ed of the book. In order to understand the entire context you have to go through that passage. The explanation was

not forced as you seem to believe. I will never force an explanation; I consider it academically unethical. I always keep close to the spirit of the book.No, I did not forget the Ketu in 8th dictum ‘bachchon ki muhabbat ke gam mein…’, I had quoted it myself in my previous answer.Whether the combination of mars + ketu or mars + venus would be good or bad will depend on the nature of Mars. Since the sun and mercury are together, mars should act benefic. Yes mercury alone in the 9th is ‘kodhi’ but the results get modified when with the sun. For Mars in the 8th house, though in its pakka ghar, the Lal Kitab suggests upaya for it. Had mars been non-remediable the book would not have suggested the upaya for it.No, you have not commented wrongly. As a matter of fact I love such discussions. These discussions help us keep abreast with the book and make us think.I welcome your inquisitiveness. I hope that you

will continue posting such queries in the future also.With respect and regards,Varun Trivedi , "S.C. Kursija" <sckursija@. ..> wrote:>> Respected Sh Varun ji,> Thanks for sparing your valuable time for my query. But I am sorry to write that being follower of Parashar system, I am not able to understand Mercury of Laal Kitab. In Laal Kitab Mercury can be in opposition to Venus which is not possible in Astronomy. Mercury+Ketu, Mercury+Venus in "Muthi Bandha ke gharo me" Mercury_Jupiter, Mercury+Mars are malefic in laal Kitab irrespective of any house. While discussing remedy for Sun+Ketu, "lal goli of iron" you wrote that for Mercury> the ‘chaal and buniyad’ of the

planets could be corrected." How a planet which gives the results of his conjunct ed planet can correct the Chaal and Buniyad of other planet.> More over why is the necessity of Saturn iron to separated the Lalima of Sun? Sun and Mars are friend, Sun is karaka and other is lord of the house. Both will go hand in hand. How one can enter political field with out the courage of Mars, lalima? The explanation apprears to be forced.> Ketu in 8th you forget the dictu m of laal Kitab “ bachchon ki muhabbat ke gam mein chhat par rone wala kuttaâ€. The combination of Ketu and Mars and Venus and Mars in 8th be beneficial? Mercury in the 9th house is Kodi when with other planets Mars in 8the is in his pakka house. Can we change the nature of the planet in his pakka ghara.> I have little knowledge of Laal Kitab, You are the master. I beg apology if I have commented wrongly.> regards.> --- On Mon, 5/18/09, varun_trvd

<varun_trvd@ ...> wrote:> > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...>> LK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy> > Monday, May 18, 2009, 5:51 PM> > > > > > > > > Respected Kursija ji,> > Ketu placed in the 8th house will not be malefic for progeny per se unless it is afflicted. Ketu in the 8th has been described as “ bachchon ki muhabbat ke gam mein chhat par rone wala kuttaâ€. I am aware of the dictum that ketu is kujvat and Rahu shanivat.> > Yes, it can delay progeny depending on where the mercury is placed. If mercury is placed in the adrashta ardha [ house 1 to 6 ] then the jatak is

likely to beget a son before the age 34 years and such a son is long lived. If the mercury is placed in the drashta ardha [ house 7 to 12] then the birth of a son might get delayed and be born after the age of 34 years. If the Ketu in the 8th is slightly afflicted and the mercury is placed in the drashta ardha then the sonmight be born even around 45 -48 years.> > Mars, venus and ketu in the 8th house; with the sun, mercury and Saturn in the 9th: In this combination Mars becomes shubh because the sun and the mercury are together. Therefore the combination basically becomes shubh mars + Venus + ketu. Although the Mars + ketu combination in the 8th house is considered as bad, there might be some saving grace because of mars being shubha. The best upaya would be getting the ear pierced and wear a gold stud or wire for 96 hours at least. There can be quite a few alternative upaya. Since we do not discuss upaya in this group, I will not go into

them.> > Sun, mercury and Saturn in the 9th: In this case these planets will give their own effect and that too benefic. Because of the presence of the mercury, there will be no hostility between the sun and the Saturn. Yes, this combination will adversely affect the Jupiter and its significations. In that case the upaya for Jupiter will have to be done so that it is protected against any adverse effect of this combination in the 9th house.> > With respect and regards,> > Varun Trivedi> > , "S.C. Kursija" <sckursija@ ..> wrote:> >> > Respected Varun ji,> > Thanks for the prompt reply and explanations. If you allow me I would like to put some more querey regarding Ketu Son, as the children are the result of our prevous karma.> > Ket is fiery and Tamsic being like Mars but shishya/deciple of

Jupiter.> > > > Ketu in 8th is always malefic for the children, son. If there is son to the native, the native will always be worried about him. If the Ketu is with Mars and Venus in 8th, Ketu will be established, What Mars Venus and Rahu will do? and what should be the remedy when Sun, Mercury and Saturn are also in the 9th i.e. 2nd to Ketu the house of Takrar, maraka> > > > --- On Mon, 5/18/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...>> > LK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy> > > > Monday, May 18, 2009, 8:52 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Kursija ji,> > > > The upaya discussed is for Ketu as such when afflicting the

sun.> > > > If the Sun is in the 7th house while the Ketu is in the 1st house, then the sun would be afflicted by the rahu being in the 7th. In this case the upaya will have to be done for all the three; for ketu to restore the brilliance of the sun, for the sun to strengthen it, and for the rahu in the 7th.> > > > Yes, the Lal Kitab says that after the marriage there could be a possibility of Ketu going ‘manda’. In this situation the Saturn would automatically help, if not a saturn upaya will be helpful. To my mind the marriage establishes a Venus [ rahu + ketu ]. Therefore it is the establishing of the rahu component which could result in making the Ketu behave ‘manda’.> > > > [ 2 ] If the Ketu is in the 5th house, the Jupiter should be well placed; and the planets inimical to Jupiter should not be in the adjacent houses or in the 12th house the house of conflict [ takrav]>

> When ketu is placed in the 5th with mercury and Jupiter in the 6th a parivartan takes place. Jupiter becomes malefic. Ketu in the company of mercury gets manda. In this situation even the placement of moon or/and sun in the adjacent houses may not be able to help. Jupiter in the 6th as such can cause the breathing trouble.> > > > When the planets inimical to Jupiter like venus, mercury etc are placed in 2,5,12 then the ‘grahasti sukh’ is likely to be adversely affected. The results of Ketu in the 5th especially the comfort from the sons is likely to be lessened. The 9th house has not been included because the 9th house is not only a pakka house of Jupiter, it also belongs to Jupiter therefore less likely to harm Jupiter and consequently ketu. The 12 house has been included because it is in the 6-8 takrav position from the 5th. The book advises to gift the karak objects of moon and mars to get over this situation.>

> > > With respect and regards> > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > , "S.C. Kursija" <sckursija@ ..> wrote:> > >> > > Respected Varun ji,> > >> > > Thanks for the explanation of ketu remedy in the first house.. But If the Sun is posited in 7th house, does the same remedy will work?> > > > > > It is said that Ketu in first becomes bad after marriage.> > > > > > 2) The Ketu in the 5th house is not considered bad as 5th is the house of his Guru. The condition is that Jupiter, Moon or Sun should be in 4th, 6th or 12th house, Why? Particularly Jupiter should be in good condition i.e. strong. Venus is posited 4th and Saturn ib 9th house ?> > > > > > If Ketu in 5th is posited with Mercury, Moon in 4th and Sun in

6th.and other planets in 6th i.e. Jupiter in 6th, (ketu) will suffer? Why it gives the disease of breathe? It is said that if Venus, Mercury or Saturn posxited in 2nd, 5th or 12th, the pakka house of Jupiter, the native will not have happiness from his children Why 9th house has not been taken? Its remedy.> > >> > > Regards> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > --- On Sun, 5/17/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> wrote:> > >> > >> > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...>> > > LK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy> > > > > > Sunday, May 17, 2009, 11:39 AM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >

>> > >> > >> > >> > > Respected Sivraman ji,> > > > > > Lal Kitab says:> > > > > > “ravi ko gar vah madhyam kare to graham chandra ko karata haiâ€> > > > > > [ 1942 urdu ed ; page 230]> > > > > > When the Sun is afflicted by Ketu and as a consequence gets dim [ madhyam] and therefore loses its brilliance/warmth then the upaya, to keep a round iron goli painted dull red, is advised. The nishaniyan of such an affliction could be a conflict with the State, problems in Government job, blood pressure, erratic heart beat, etc.> > > > >

> The sun doesn’t have its brilliance/warmth in the early morning or when setting in the evening. The indicator is the ‘lalami’ [redness]. Therefore an upaya has to be done to separate this redness from the sun so that its brilliance/warmth is restored. ‘lalami’ is related to Mars.> > > > > > The help of mercury too will have to be taken so that the ‘chaal and buniyad’ of the planets could be corrected.> > > > > > It is the shrewdness of the Saturn which can help achieve it. The saturn would act as a catalyst to separate the 'lalami' [mars] from the Sun. Therefore the help of Saturn too will be needed.> > > > > > Summarizing, the help of three planets i.e. Saturn, mercury and the mars will have to be sought.> > > > > > Therefore the upaya suggests to keep an iron [ saturn] goli [mercury] painted dull red

[mars]> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Varun Trivedi> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "lshivraman" <lshivraman@ ..> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sir,> > > >> > > > It is advised that one should keep an iron goli painted red if he has Ketu in the first house. Sir how is a red iron goli related to Ketu? Will be grateful if you could explain. Thanking you in advance. Sincerely,Shivraman> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Respected Kursija ji,

 

Sir, you are most welcome to seek clarifications on the Lal Kitab concepts and

principles. I will always try to answer to the best of my ability.

 

With Respect and regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija

wrote:

>

> Respected Varun Ji,

>

> Thanks for bearing me and your patience to reply.

>

> Regards

>

>

--- On Tue, 5/19/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote:

>

>

> varun_trvd <varun_trvd

> LK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy

>

> Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 12:02 AM

>

>

Respected Kursija ji,

>

> In Lal Kitab janma kundali also it is not possible for venus to be in

opposition to mercury. It is only in a varsh phal kundali that venus can be 7

houses apart from mercury or the sun. You would be aware that the Lal Kitab

varsh kundali is not based on Varsh pravesh, instead it is based on the

planetary positions laid down for each year according to the houses they occupy

in the janma kundali. Venus can also be 7 houses apart from mercury in a Janma

kundali prepared with the help of palmistry.

>

> In order to understand the nature of mercury you may have to go to the Lal

Kitab itself. When I said that the ‘chal and buniyad’ is to be corrected and

‘It is the shrewdness of the Saturn which can help achieve it’ ; or when I

talked of ‘lalami’ I was referring to lines 7-19 of page 233 of 1942 urdu ed

of the book. In order to understand the entire context you have to go through

that passage. The explanation was not forced as you seem to believe. I will

never force an explanation; I consider it academically unethical. I always keep

close to the spirit of the book.

>

> No, I did not forget the Ketu in 8th dictum ‘bachchon ki muhabbat ke gam

mein…’, I had quoted it myself in my previous answer.

>

> Whether the combination of mars + ketu or mars + venus would be good or bad

will depend on the nature of Mars. Since the sun and mercury are together, mars

should act benefic. Yes mercury alone in the 9th is ‘kodhi’ but the results

get modified when with the sun.

>

> For Mars in the 8th house, though in its pakka ghar, the Lal Kitab suggests

upaya for it. Had mars been non-remediable the book would not have suggested the

upaya for it.

>

> No, you have not commented wrongly. As a matter of fact I love such

discussions. These discussions help us keep abreast with the book and make us

think.

>

> I welcome your inquisitiveness. I hope that you will continue posting such

queries in the future also.

>

> With respect and regards,

>

> Varun Trivedi

>

> , " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > Respected Sh Varun ji,

> > Thanks for sparing your valuable time for my query. But I am sorry to write

that being follower of Parashar system, I am not able to understand Mercury of

Laal Kitab. In Laal Kitab Mercury can be in opposition to Venus which is not

possible in Astronomy. Mercury+Ketu, Mercury+Venus in " Muthi Bandha ke gharo

me "   Mercury_Jupiter, Mercury+Mars are malefic in laal Kitab irrespective of

any house. While discussing remedy for Sun+Ketu, " lal goli of iron " you wrote

that for Mercury

> > the ‘chaal and buniyad’ of the planets could be corrected. " How a planet

which gives the results of his conjunct ed planet can correct the Chaal and

Buniyad of other planet.

> > More over why is the necessity of Saturn iron to separated the Lalima of

Sun? Sun and Mars are friend, Sun is karaka and other is lord of the house. Both

will go hand in hand. How one can enter political field with out the courage of

Mars, lalima? The explanation apprears to be forced.

> > Ketu in 8th you forget the dictu m of laal Kitab “ bachchon ki muhabbat ke

gam mein chhat par rone wala kuttaâ€. The combination of Ketu and Mars and

Venus and Mars in 8th be beneficial? Mercury in the 9th house is Kodi when with

other planets  Mars in 8the is in his pakka house. Can we change the nature of

the planet in his pakka ghara.

> > I have little knowledge of Laal Kitab, You are the master. I beg apology if

I have commented wrongly.

> > regards.

> > --- On Mon, 5/18/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...>

> > LK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy

> >

> > Monday, May 18, 2009, 5:51 PM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Respected Kursija ji,

> >

> > Ketu placed in the 8th house will not be malefic for progeny per se unless

it is afflicted. Ketu in the 8th has been described as “ bachchon ki muhabbat

ke gam mein chhat par rone wala kuttaâ€. I am aware of the dictum that ketu is

kujvat and Rahu shanivat.

> >

> > Yes, it can delay progeny depending on where the mercury is placed. If

mercury is placed in the adrashta ardha [ house 1 to 6 ] then the jatak is

likely to beget a son before the age 34 years and such a son is long lived. If

the mercury is placed in the drashta ardha [ house 7 to 12] then the birth of a

son might get delayed and be born after the age of 34 years. If the Ketu in the

8th is slightly afflicted and the mercury is placed in the drashta ardha then

the sonmight be born even around 45 -48 years.

> >

> > Mars, venus and ketu in the 8th house; with the sun, mercury and Saturn in

the 9th: In this combination Mars becomes shubh because the sun and the mercury

are together. Therefore the combination basically becomes shubh mars + Venus +

ketu. Although the Mars + ketu combination in the 8th house is considered as

bad, there might be some saving grace because of mars being shubha. The best

upaya would be getting the ear pierced and wear a gold stud or wire for 96 hours

at least. There can be quite a few alternative upaya. Since we do not discuss

upaya in this group, I will not go into them.

> >

> > Sun, mercury and Saturn in the 9th: In this case these planets will give

their own effect and that too benefic. Because of the presence of the mercury,

there will be no hostility between the sun and the Saturn. Yes, this combination

will adversely affect the Jupiter and its significations. In that case the upaya

for Jupiter will have to be done so that it is protected against any adverse

effect of this combination in the 9th house.

> >

> > With respect and regards,

> >

> > Varun Trivedi

> >

> > , " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija@ ..>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Varun ji,

> > > Thanks for the prompt reply and explanations. If you allow me I would like

to put some more querey regarding Ketu Son, as the children are the result of

our prevous karma.

> > > Ket is fiery and Tamsic being like Mars but shishya/deciple  of Jupiter.

> > >  

> > > Ketu in 8th is always malefic for the children, son. If there is son to

the native, the native will always be worried about him. If the Ketu is with

Mars and Venus in 8th, Ketu will be established, What Mars Venus and Rahu will

do? and what should be the remedy when Sun, Mercury and Saturn are also in the

9th i.e. 2nd to Ketu the house of Takrar, maraka

> > >

> > > --- On Mon, 5/18/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...>

> > > LK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy

> > >

> > > Monday, May 18, 2009, 8:52 AM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Respected Kursija ji,

> > >

> > > The upaya discussed is for Ketu as such when afflicting the sun.

> > >

> > > If the Sun is in the 7th house while the Ketu is in the 1st house, then

the sun would be afflicted by the rahu being in the 7th. In this case the upaya

will have to be done for all the three; for ketu to restore the brilliance of

the sun, for the sun to strengthen it, and for the rahu in the 7th.

> > >

> > > Yes, the Lal Kitab says that after the marriage there could be a

possibility of Ketu going ‘manda’. In this situation the Saturn would

automatically help, if not a saturn upaya will be helpful. To my mind the

marriage establishes a Venus [ rahu + ketu ]. Therefore it is the establishing

of the rahu component which could result in making the Ketu behave ‘manda’.

> > >

> > > [ 2 ] If the Ketu is in the 5th house, the Jupiter should be well placed;

and the planets inimical to Jupiter should not be in the adjacent houses or in

the 12th house the house of conflict [ takrav]

> > > When ketu is placed in the 5th with mercury and Jupiter in the 6th a

parivartan takes place. Jupiter becomes malefic. Ketu in the company of mercury

gets manda. In this situation even the placement of moon or/and sun in the

adjacent houses may not be able to help. Jupiter in the 6th as such can cause

the breathing trouble.

> > >

> > > When the planets inimical to Jupiter like venus, mercury etc are placed in

2,5,12 then the ‘grahasti sukh’ is likely to be adversely affected. The

results of Ketu in the 5th especially the comfort from the sons is likely to be

lessened. The 9th house has not been included because the 9th house is not only

a pakka house of Jupiter, it also belongs to Jupiter therefore less likely to

harm Jupiter and consequently ketu. The 12 house has been included because it is

in the 6-8 takrav position from the 5th. The book advises to gift the karak

objects of moon and mars to get over this situation.

> > >

> > > With respect and regards

> > >

> > > Varun Trivedi

> > >

> > > , " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija@

...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Varun ji,

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for the explanation of ketu remedy in the first house.. But If

the Sun is posited in 7th house, does the same remedy will work?

> > > >  

> > > > It is said that Ketu in first becomes bad after marriage.

> > > >  

> > > > 2) The Ketu in the 5th house is not considered bad as 5th is the house

of his Guru. The condition is that Jupiter, Moon or Sun should be in 4th, 6th or

12th house, Why? Particularly Jupiter should be in good condition i.e. strong.

Venus is posited 4th and Saturn ib 9th house ?

> > > >  

> > > > If Ketu in 5th is posited with Mercury, Moon in 4th and Sun in 6th.and

other planets in 6th i.e.  Jupiter in 6th, (ketu)  will suffer? Why it gives

the disease of breathe? It is said that if Venus, Mercury or Saturn posxited in

2nd, 5th or 12th, the pakka house of Jupiter, the native will not have happiness

from his children Why 9th house has not been taken? Its remedy.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sun, 5/17/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...>

> > > > LK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy

> > > >

> > > > Sunday, May 17, 2009, 11:39 AM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Respected Sivraman ji,

> > > >  

> > > > Lal Kitab says:

> > > >  

> > > > “ravi ko gar vah madhyam kare to graham chandra ko karata haiâ€

> > > >  

> > > >                                     

[ 1942 urdu ed ; page 230]

> > > >  

> > > > When the Sun is afflicted by Ketu and as a consequence gets dim [

madhyam] and therefore loses its brilliance/warmth then the upaya, to keep a

round iron goli painted dull red, is advised. The nishaniyan of such an

affliction could be a conflict with the State, problems in Government job, blood

pressure, erratic heart beat, etc.

> > > >  

> > > > The sun doesn’t have its brilliance/warmth in the early morning or

when setting in the evening. The indicator is the ‘lalami’ [redness].

Therefore an upaya has to be done to separate this redness from the sun so that

its brilliance/warmth is restored. ‘lalami’ is related to Mars.

> > > >  

> > > > The help of mercury too will have to be taken so that the ‘chaal and

buniyad’ of the planets could be corrected.

> > > >  

> > > > It is the shrewdness of the Saturn which can help achieve it. The saturn

would act as a catalyst to separate the 'lalami' [mars] from the Sun. Therefore

the help of Saturn too will be needed.

> > > >  

> > > > Summarizing, the help of three planets i.e. Saturn, mercury and the mars

will have to be sought.

> > > >  

> > > > Therefore the upaya suggests to keep an iron [ saturn] goli [mercury]

painted dull red [mars]

> > > >  

> > > > Regards,

> > > >  

> > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > >  

> > > >  

> > > >  

> > > >  

> > > > , " lshivraman " <lshivraman@

...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > >

> > > > > It is advised that one should keep an iron goli painted red if he has

Ketu in the first house. Sir how is a red iron goli related to Ketu? Will be

grateful if you could explain. Thanking you in advance. Sincerely,Shivraman

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Varun ji.

A female was born on Nov15, 1942 at 10.05 PM IST (not war time) Aligarh UP

She has Ketu in 8H and Mercury in 4H,(Adrishya half).

She was blessed with son on Feb7,1964 at 13. 57 hrs at Kanpur in her 22th year of age

Her son is healthy and earning well.

Lalkitab dictum is working very well.

I find dictum of lalkitab are infallible.

Regards, G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA

 

 

 

varun_trvd <varun_trvd Sent: Tuesday, 19 May, 2009 11:49:17 AMLK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy

 

Respected Kursija ji,Sir, you are most welcome to seek clarifications on the Lal Kitab concepts and principles. I will always try to answer to the best of my ability.With Respect and regards,Varun Trivedi , "S.C. Kursija" <sckursija@. ..> wrote:>> Respected Varun Ji,> > Thanks for bearing me and your patience to reply.> > Regards> > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 5/19/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> wrote:> > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...>> LK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy> > Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 12:02 AM> > > > > > > > > Respected Kursija ji,> > In Lal Kitab janma kundali also it is not possible for venus to be in opposition to mercury. It is only in a varsh phal kundali that venus can be 7 houses apart from mercury or the sun. You would be aware that the Lal Kitab varsh kundali is not based on Varsh pravesh, instead it is based on the planetary positions laid down for each year according to the houses they occupy in the janma kundali. Venus can also be 7 houses apart from mercury in a Janma kundali prepared with the help of palmistry.> > In order to understand the nature of mercury you may have to go to the Lal Kitab itself. When I said that the ‘chal and buniyad’ is to be corrected and ‘It is the shrewdness of the

Saturn which can help achieve it’ ; or when I talked of ‘lalami’ I was referring to lines 7-19 of page 233 of 1942 urdu ed of the book. In order to understand the entire context you have to go through that passage. The explanation was not forced as you seem to believe. I will never force an explanation; I consider it academically unethical. I always keep close to the spirit of the book.> > No, I did not forget the Ketu in 8th dictum ‘bachchon ki muhabbat ke gam mein…’, I had quoted it myself in my previous answer.> > Whether the combination of mars + ketu or mars + venus would be good or bad will depend on the nature of Mars. Since the sun and mercury are together, mars should act benefic. Yes mercury alone in the 9th is ‘kodhi’ but the results get modified when with the sun.> > For Mars in the 8th house, though in its pakka ghar, the Lal Kitab suggests upaya for it. Had mars been non-remediable

the book would not have suggested the upaya for it.> > No, you have not commented wrongly. As a matter of fact I love such discussions. These discussions help us keep abreast with the book and make us think.> > I welcome your inquisitiveness. I hope that you will continue posting such queries in the future also.> > With respect and regards,> > Varun Trivedi> > , "S.C. Kursija" <sckursija@ ..> wrote:> >> > Respected Sh Varun ji,> > Thanks for sparing your valuable time for my query. But I am sorry to write that being follower of Parashar system, I am not able to understand Mercury of Laal Kitab. In Laal Kitab Mercury can be in opposition to Venus which is not possible in Astronomy. Mercury+Ketu, Mercury+Venus in "Muthi Bandha ke gharo me" Mercury_Jupiter, Mercury+Mars are malefic in laal Kitab

irrespective of any house. While discussing remedy for Sun+Ketu, "lal goli of iron" you wrote that for Mercury> > the ‘chaal and buniyad’ of the planets could be corrected." How a planet which gives the results of his conjunct ed planet can correct the Chaal and Buniyad of other planet.> > More over why is the necessity of Saturn iron to separated the Lalima of Sun? Sun and Mars are friend, Sun is karaka and other is lord of the house. Both will go hand in hand. How one can enter political field with out the courage of Mars, lalima? The explanation apprears to be forced.> > Ketu in 8th you forget the dictu m of laal Kitab “ bachchon ki muhabbat ke gam mein chhat par rone wala kuttaâ€. The combination of Ketu and Mars and Venus and Mars in 8th be beneficial? Mercury in the 9th house is Kodi when with other planets Mars in 8the is in his pakka house. Can we change the nature of the planet in his pakka

ghara.> > I have little knowledge of Laal Kitab, You are the master. I beg apology if I have commented wrongly.> > regards.> > --- On Mon, 5/18/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> wrote:> >> >> > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...>> > LK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy> > > > Monday, May 18, 2009, 5:51 PM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Respected Kursija ji,> >> > Ketu placed in the 8th house will not be malefic for progeny per se unless it is afflicted. Ketu in the 8th has been described as “ bachchon ki muhabbat ke gam mein chhat par rone wala kuttaâ€. I am aware of the dictum that ketu is kujvat and Rahu shanivat.> >> > Yes, it can delay progeny depending on where the

mercury is placed. If mercury is placed in the adrashta ardha [ house 1 to 6 ] then the jatak is likely to beget a son before the age 34 years and such a son is long lived. If the mercury is placed in the drashta ardha [ house 7 to 12] then the birth of a son might get delayed and be born after the age of 34 years. If the Ketu in the 8th is slightly afflicted and the mercury is placed in the drashta ardha then the sonmight be born even around 45 -48 years.> >> > Mars, venus and ketu in the 8th house; with the sun, mercury and Saturn in the 9th: In this combination Mars becomes shubh because the sun and the mercury are together. Therefore the combination basically becomes shubh mars + Venus + ketu. Although the Mars + ketu combination in the 8th house is considered as bad, there might be some saving grace because of mars being shubha. The best upaya would be getting the ear pierced and wear a gold stud or wire for 96 hours at least.

There can be quite a few alternative upaya. Since we do not discuss upaya in this group, I will not go into them.> >> > Sun, mercury and Saturn in the 9th: In this case these planets will give their own effect and that too benefic. Because of the presence of the mercury, there will be no hostility between the sun and the Saturn. Yes, this combination will adversely affect the Jupiter and its significations. In that case the upaya for Jupiter will have to be done so that it is protected against any adverse effect of this combination in the 9th house.> >> > With respect and regards,> >> > Varun Trivedi> >> > , "S.C. Kursija" <sckursija@ ..> wrote:> > >> > > Respected Varun ji,> > > Thanks for the prompt reply and explanations. If you allow me I would like to put some more querey regarding

Ketu Son, as the children are the result of our prevous karma.> > > Ket is fiery and Tamsic being like Mars but shishya/deciple of Jupiter.> > > > > > Ketu in 8th is always malefic for the children, son. If there is son to the native, the native will always be worried about him. If the Ketu is with Mars and Venus in 8th, Ketu will be established, What Mars Venus and Rahu will do? and what should be the remedy when Sun, Mercury and Saturn are also in the 9th i.e. 2nd to Ketu the house of Takrar, maraka> > >> > > --- On Mon, 5/18/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> wrote:> > >> > >> > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...>> > > LK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy> > > > > > Monday, May 18, 2009, 8:52 AM> > >> >

>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Respected Kursija ji,> > >> > > The upaya discussed is for Ketu as such when afflicting the sun.> > >> > > If the Sun is in the 7th house while the Ketu is in the 1st house, then the sun would be afflicted by the rahu being in the 7th. In this case the upaya will have to be done for all the three; for ketu to restore the brilliance of the sun, for the sun to strengthen it, and for the rahu in the 7th.> > >> > > Yes, the Lal Kitab says that after the marriage there could be a possibility of Ketu going ‘manda’. In this situation the Saturn would automatically help, if not a saturn upaya will be helpful. To my mind the marriage establishes a Venus [ rahu + ketu ]. Therefore it is the establishing of the rahu component which could result in making

the Ketu behave ‘manda’.> > >> > > [ 2 ] If the Ketu is in the 5th house, the Jupiter should be well placed; and the planets inimical to Jupiter should not be in the adjacent houses or in the 12th house the house of conflict [ takrav]> > > When ketu is placed in the 5th with mercury and Jupiter in the 6th a parivartan takes place. Jupiter becomes malefic. Ketu in the company of mercury gets manda. In this situation even the placement of moon or/and sun in the adjacent houses may not be able to help. Jupiter in the 6th as such can cause the breathing trouble.> > >> > > When the planets inimical to Jupiter like venus, mercury etc are placed in 2,5,12 then the ‘grahasti sukh’ is likely to be adversely affected. The results of Ketu in the 5th especially the comfort from the sons is likely to be lessened. The 9th house has not been included because the 9th house is not only a pakka

house of Jupiter, it also belongs to Jupiter therefore less likely to harm Jupiter and consequently ketu. The 12 house has been included because it is in the 6-8 takrav position from the 5th. The book advises to gift the karak objects of moon and mars to get over this situation.> > >> > > With respect and regards> > >> > > Varun Trivedi> > >> > > , "S.C. Kursija" <sckursija@ ..> wrote:> > > >> > > > Respected Varun ji,> > > >> > > > Thanks for the explanation of ketu remedy in the first house.. But If the Sun is posited in 7th house, does the same remedy will work?> > > > > > > > It is said that Ketu in first becomes bad after marriage.> > > > > > > > 2) The Ketu in the 5th house is

not considered bad as 5th is the house of his Guru. The condition is that Jupiter, Moon or Sun should be in 4th, 6th or 12th house, Why? Particularly Jupiter should be in good condition i.e. strong. Venus is posited 4th and Saturn ib 9th house ?> > > > > > > > If Ketu in 5th is posited with Mercury, Moon in 4th and Sun in 6th.and other planets in 6th i.e. Jupiter in 6th, (ketu) will suffer? Why it gives the disease of breathe? It is said that if Venus, Mercury or Saturn posxited in 2nd, 5th or 12th, the pakka house of Jupiter, the native will not have happiness from his children Why 9th house has not been taken? Its remedy.> > > >> > > > Regards> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > --- On Sun, 5/17/09,

varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...>> > > > LK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy> > > > > > > > Sunday, May 17, 2009, 11:39 AM> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Respected Sivraman ji,> > > > > > > > Lal Kitab says:> > > > > > > > “ravi ko gar vah madhyam kare to graham chandra ko karata haiâ€> > > > > > > >

[ 1942 urdu ed ; page 230]> > > > > > > > When the Sun is afflicted by Ketu and as a consequence gets dim [ madhyam] and therefore loses its brilliance/warmth then the upaya, to keep a round iron goli painted dull red, is advised. The nishaniyan of such an affliction could be a conflict with the State, problems in Government job, blood pressure, erratic heart beat, etc.> > > > > > > > The sun doesn’t have its brilliance/warmth in the early morning or when setting in the evening. The indicator is the ‘lalami’ [redness]. Therefore an upaya has to be done to separate this redness from the sun so that its brilliance/warmth is restored. ‘lalami’ is related to

Mars.> > > > > > > > The help of mercury too will have to be taken so that the ‘chaal and buniyad’ of the planets could be corrected.> > > > > > > > It is the shrewdness of the Saturn which can help achieve it. The saturn would act as a catalyst to separate the 'lalami' [mars] from the Sun. Therefore the help of Saturn too will be needed.> > > > > > > > Summarizing, the help of three planets i.e. Saturn, mercury and the mars will have to be sought.> > > > > > > > Therefore the upaya suggests to keep an iron [ saturn] goli [mercury] painted dull red [mars]> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , "lshivraman" <lshivraman@ ..> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > >> > > > > It is advised that one should keep an iron goli painted red if he has Ketu in the first house. Sir how is a red iron goli related to Ketu? Will be grateful if you could explain. Thanking you in advance. Sincerely,Shivraman> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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Respected Goel Saheb,

 

Thanks a lot for sharing with us this information.

 

Sir, you are very right that the Lal Kitab dictums come out to be true most of

the times.

 

With Respect and regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote:

>

> Dear Varun ji.

>

>

> A female was  born on Nov15, 1942 at 10.05 PM IST (not war time) Aligarh UP

>

> She has Ketu in 8H and Mercury in 4H,(Adrishya half).

> She was blessed with son on Feb7,1964 at 13. 57 hrs at Kanpur in her 22th

year of age

>

> Her son is healthy and earning well.

>

> Lalkitab dictum is working very well.

>

> I find dictum of lalkitab are infallible.

>

> Regards,

>

>  G.K.GOEL

>

> Ph: 09350311433

> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> NEW DELHI-110 076

> INDIA

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

________________________________

> varun_trvd <varun_trvd

>

> Tuesday, 19 May, 2009 11:49:17 AM

> LK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy

>

>

>

>

>

> Respected Kursija ji,

>

> Sir, you are most welcome to seek clarifications on the Lal Kitab concepts and

principles. I will always try to answer to the best of my ability.

>

> With Respect and regards,

>

> Varun Trivedi

>

> , " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > Respected Varun Ji,

> >

> > Thanks for bearing me and your patience to reply.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > --- On Tue, 5/19/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...>

> > LK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy

> >

> > Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 12:02 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Respected Kursija ji,

> >

> > In Lal Kitab janma kundali also it is not possible for venus to be in

opposition to mercury. It is only in a varsh phal kundali that venus can be 7

houses apart from mercury or the sun. You would be aware that the Lal Kitab

varsh kundali is not based on Varsh pravesh, instead it is based on the

planetary positions laid down for each year according to the houses they occupy

in the janma kundali. Venus can also be 7 houses apart from mercury in a Janma

kundali prepared with the help of palmistry.

> >

> > In order to understand the nature of mercury you may have to go to the Lal

Kitab itself. When I said that the ‘chal and buniyad’ is to be corrected and

‘It is the shrewdness of the Saturn which can help achieve it’ ; or when I

talked of ‘lalami’ I was referring to lines 7-19 of page 233 of 1942 urdu ed

of the book. In order to understand the entire context you have to go through

that passage. The explanation was not forced as you seem to believe. I will

never force an explanation; I consider it academically unethical. I always keep

close to the spirit of the book.

> >

> > No, I did not forget the Ketu in 8th dictum ‘bachchon ki muhabbat ke gam

mein…’, I had quoted it myself in my previous answer.

> >

> > Whether the combination of mars + ketu or mars + venus would be good or bad

will depend on the nature of Mars. Since the sun and mercury are together, mars

should act benefic. Yes mercury alone in the 9th is ‘kodhi’ but the results

get modified when with the sun.

> >

> > For Mars in the 8th house, though in its pakka ghar, the Lal Kitab suggests

upaya for it. Had mars been non-remediable the book would not have suggested the

upaya for it.

> >

> > No, you have not commented wrongly. As a matter of fact I love such

discussions. These discussions help us keep abreast with the book and make us

think.

> >

> > I welcome your inquisitiveness. I hope that you will continue posting such

queries in the future also.

> >

> > With respect and regards,

> >

> > Varun Trivedi

> >

> > , " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija@ ..>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Sh Varun ji,

> > > Thanks for sparing your valuable time for my query. But I am sorry to

write that being follower of Parashar system, I am not able to understand

Mercury of Laal Kitab. In Laal Kitab Mercury can be in opposition to Venus which

is not possible in Astronomy. Mercury+Ketu, Mercury+Venus in " Muthi Bandha ke

gharo me "   Mercury_Jupiter, Mercury+Mars are malefic in laal Kitab irrespective

of any house. While discussing remedy for Sun+Ketu, " lal goli of iron " you wrote

that for Mercury

> > > the ‘chaal and buniyad’ of the planets could be corrected. " How a

planet which gives the results of his conjunct ed planet can correct the Chaal

and Buniyad of other planet.

> > > More over why is the necessity of Saturn iron to separated the Lalima of

Sun? Sun and Mars are friend, Sun is karaka and other is lord of the house. Both

will go hand in hand. How one can enter political field with out the courage of

Mars, lalima? The explanation apprears to be forced.

> > > Ketu in 8th you forget the dictu m of laal Kitab “ bachchon ki muhabbat

ke gam mein chhat par rone wala kuttaâ€. The combination of Ketu and Mars and

Venus and Mars in 8th be beneficial? Mercury in the 9th house is Kodi when with

other planets  Mars in 8the is in his pakka house. Can we change the nature of

the planet in his pakka ghara.

> > > I have little knowledge of Laal Kitab, You are the master. I beg apology

if I have commented wrongly.

> > > regards.

> > > --- On Mon, 5/18/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...>

> > > LK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy

> > >

> > > Monday, May 18, 2009, 5:51 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Respected Kursija ji,

> > >

> > > Ketu placed in the 8th house will not be malefic for progeny per se unless

it is afflicted. Ketu in the 8th has been described as “ bachchon ki muhabbat

ke gam mein chhat par rone wala kuttaâ€. I am aware of the dictum that ketu is

kujvat and Rahu shanivat.

> > >

> > > Yes, it can delay progeny depending on where the mercury is placed. If

mercury is placed in the adrashta ardha [ house 1 to 6 ] then the jatak is

likely to beget a son before the age 34 years and such a son is long lived. If

the mercury is placed in the drashta ardha [ house 7 to 12] then the birth of a

son might get delayed and be born after the age of 34 years. If the Ketu in the

8th is slightly afflicted and the mercury is placed in the drashta ardha then

the sonmight be born even around 45 -48 years.

> > >

> > > Mars, venus and ketu in the 8th house; with the sun, mercury and Saturn in

the 9th: In this combination Mars becomes shubh because the sun and the mercury

are together. Therefore the combination basically becomes shubh mars + Venus +

ketu. Although the Mars + ketu combination in the 8th house is considered as

bad, there might be some saving grace because of mars being shubha. The best

upaya would be getting the ear pierced and wear a gold stud or wire for 96 hours

at least. There can be quite a few alternative upaya. Since we do not discuss

upaya in this group, I will not go into them.

> > >

> > > Sun, mercury and Saturn in the 9th: In this case these planets will give

their own effect and that too benefic. Because of the presence of the mercury,

there will be no hostility between the sun and the Saturn. Yes, this combination

will adversely affect the Jupiter and its significations. In that case the upaya

for Jupiter will have to be done so that it is protected against any adverse

effect of this combination in the 9th house.

> > >

> > > With respect and regards,

> > >

> > > Varun Trivedi

> > >

> > > , " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija@

...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Varun ji,

> > > > Thanks for the prompt reply and explanations. If you allow me I would

like to put some more querey regarding Ketu Son, as the children are the result

of our prevous karma.

> > > > Ket is fiery and Tamsic being like Mars but shishya/deciple  of

Jupiter.

> > > >  

> > > > Ketu in 8th is always malefic for the children, son. If there is son to

the native, the native will always be worried about him. If the Ketu is with

Mars and Venus in 8th, Ketu will be established, What Mars Venus and Rahu will

do? and what should be the remedy when Sun, Mercury and Saturn are also in the

9th i.e. 2nd to Ketu the house of Takrar, maraka

> > > >

> > > > --- On Mon, 5/18/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...>

> > > > LK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy

> > > >

> > > > Monday, May 18, 2009, 8:52 AM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Respected Kursija ji,

> > > >

> > > > The upaya discussed is for Ketu as such when afflicting the sun.

> > > >

> > > > If the Sun is in the 7th house while the Ketu is in the 1st house, then

the sun would be afflicted by the rahu being in the 7th. In this case the upaya

will have to be done for all the three; for ketu to restore the brilliance of

the sun, for the sun to strengthen it, and for the rahu in the 7th.

> > > >

> > > > Yes, the Lal Kitab says that after the marriage there could be a

possibility of Ketu going ‘manda’. In this situation the Saturn would

automatically help, if not a saturn upaya will be helpful. To my mind the

marriage establishes a Venus [ rahu + ketu ]. Therefore it is the establishing

of the rahu component which could result in making the Ketu behave ‘manda’.

> > > >

> > > > [ 2 ] If the Ketu is in the 5th house, the Jupiter should be well

placed; and the planets inimical to Jupiter should not be in the adjacent houses

or in the 12th house the house of conflict [ takrav]

> > > > When ketu is placed in the 5th with mercury and Jupiter in the 6th a

parivartan takes place. Jupiter becomes malefic. Ketu in the company of mercury

gets manda. In this situation even the placement of moon or/and sun in the

adjacent houses may not be able to help. Jupiter in the 6th as such can cause

the breathing trouble.

> > > >

> > > > When the planets inimical to Jupiter like venus, mercury etc are placed

in 2,5,12 then the ‘grahasti sukh’ is likely to be adversely affected. The

results of Ketu in the 5th especially the comfort from the sons is likely to be

lessened. The 9th house has not been included because the 9th house is not only

a pakka house of Jupiter, it also belongs to Jupiter therefore less likely to

harm Jupiter and consequently ketu. The 12 house has been included because it is

in the 6-8 takrav position from the 5th. The book advises to gift the karak

objects of moon and mars to get over this situation.

> > > >

> > > > With respect and regards

> > > >

> > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > >

> > > > , " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija@

...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Varun ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for the explanation of ketu remedy in the first house.. But If

the Sun is posited in 7th house, does the same remedy will work?

> > > > >  

> > > > > It is said that Ketu in first becomes bad after marriage.

> > > > >  

> > > > > 2) The Ketu in the 5th house is not considered bad as 5th is the house

of his Guru. The condition is that Jupiter, Moon or Sun should be in 4th, 6th or

12th house, Why? Particularly Jupiter should be in good condition i.e. strong.

Venus is posited 4th and Saturn ib 9th house ?

> > > > >  

> > > > > If Ketu in 5th is posited with Mercury, Moon in 4th and Sun in 6th.and

other planets in 6th i.e.  Jupiter in 6th, (ketu)  will suffer? Why it gives

the disease of breathe? It is said that if Venus, Mercury or Saturn posxited in

2nd, 5th or 12th, the pakka house of Jupiter, the native will not have happiness

from his children Why 9th house has not been taken? Its remedy.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Sun, 5/17/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...>

> > > > > LK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy

> > > > >

> > > > > Sunday, May 17, 2009, 11:39 AM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Sivraman ji,

> > > > >  

> > > > > Lal Kitab says:

> > > > >  

> > > > > “ravi ko gar vah madhyam kare to graham chandra ko karata haiâ€

> > > > >  

> > > > >

                                     [ 1942

urdu ed ; page 230]

> > > > >  

> > > > > When the Sun is afflicted by Ketu and as a consequence gets dim [

madhyam] and therefore loses its brilliance/warmth then the upaya, to keep a

round iron goli painted dull red, is advised. The nishaniyan of such an

affliction could be a conflict with the State, problems in Government job, blood

pressure, erratic heart beat, etc..

> > > > >  

> > > > > The sun doesn’t have its brilliance/warmth in the early morning or

when setting in the evening. The indicator is the ‘lalami’ [redness].

Therefore an upaya has to be done to separate this redness from the sun so that

its brilliance/warmth is restored. ‘lalami’ is related to Mars.

> > > > >  

> > > > > The help of mercury too will have to be taken so that the ‘chaal and

buniyad’ of the planets could be corrected.

> > > > >  

> > > > > It is the shrewdness of the Saturn which can help achieve it. The

saturn would act as a catalyst to separate the 'lalami' [mars] from the Sun.

Therefore the help of Saturn too will be needed.

> > > > >  

> > > > > Summarizing, the help of three planets i.e. Saturn, mercury and the

mars will have to be sought.

> > > > >  

> > > > > Therefore the upaya suggests to keep an iron [ saturn] goli [mercury]

painted dull red [mars]

> > > > >  

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >  

> > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > >  

> > > > >  

> > > > >  

> > > > >  

> > > > > , " lshivraman "

<lshivraman@ ..> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is advised that one should keep an iron goli painted red if he

has Ketu in the first house. Sir how is a red iron goli related to Ketu? Will be

grateful if you could explain. Thanking you in advance. Sincerely,Shivraman

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

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Respected Varun ji,

I agree that the native may had a son while ketu in 8th, but the native will be worried about his education, job etc. I shall be glad to know the education and settlement in profession of the son of the female.

With regards--- On Tue, 5/19/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote:

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Respected Goel Saheb,Thanks a lot for sharing with us this information.Sir, you are very right that the Lal Kitab dictums come out to be true most of the times.With Respect and regards,Varun Trivedi , Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Varun ji.> > > A female was born on Nov15, 1942 at 10.05 PM IST (not war time) Aligarh UP> > She has Ketu in 8H and Mercury in 4H,(Adrishya half).> She was blessed with son on Feb7,1964 at 13. 57 hrs at Kanpur in her 22th year of age> > Her son is healthy and earning well.> > Lalkitab dictum is working very well.> > I find dictum of

lalkitab are infallible.> > Regards,> > G.K.GOEL> > Ph: 09350311433> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR> NEW DELHI-110 076> INDIA> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...>> > Tuesday, 19 May, 2009 11:49:17 AM> LK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy> > > > > > Respected Kursija ji,> > Sir, you are most welcome to seek clarifications on the Lal Kitab concepts and principles. I

will always try to answer to the best of my ability.> > With Respect and regards,> > Varun Trivedi> > , "S.C. Kursija" <sckursija@ ..> wrote:> >> > Respected Varun Ji,> >> > Thanks for bearing me and your patience to reply.> >> > Regards> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > --- On Tue, 5/19/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> wrote:> >> >> > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...>> > LK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy> > > > Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 12:02 AM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Respected Kursija ji,>

>> > In Lal Kitab janma kundali also it is not possible for venus to be in opposition to mercury. It is only in a varsh phal kundali that venus can be 7 houses apart from mercury or the sun. You would be aware that the Lal Kitab varsh kundali is not based on Varsh pravesh, instead it is based on the planetary positions laid down for each year according to the houses they occupy in the janma kundali. Venus can also be 7 houses apart from mercury in a Janma kundali prepared with the help of palmistry.> >> > In order to understand the nature of mercury you may have to go to the Lal Kitab itself. When I said that the ‘chal and buniyad’ is to be corrected and ‘It is the shrewdness of the Saturn which can help achieve it’ ; or when I talked of ‘lalami’ I was referring to lines 7-19 of page 233 of 1942 urdu ed of the book. In order to understand the entire context you have to go through that passage. The explanation

was not forced as you seem to believe. I will never force an explanation; I consider it academically unethical. I always keep close to the spirit of the book.> >> > No, I did not forget the Ketu in 8th dictum ‘bachchon ki muhabbat ke gam mein…’, I had quoted it myself in my previous answer.> >> > Whether the combination of mars + ketu or mars + venus would be good or bad will depend on the nature of Mars. Since the sun and mercury are together, mars should act benefic. Yes mercury alone in the 9th is ‘kodhi’ but the results get modified when with the sun.> >> > For Mars in the 8th house, though in its pakka ghar, the Lal Kitab suggests upaya for it. Had mars been non-remediable the book would not have suggested the upaya for it.> >> > No, you have not commented wrongly. As a matter of fact I love such discussions. These discussions help us keep abreast with the

book and make us think.> >> > I welcome your inquisitiveness. I hope that you will continue posting such queries in the future also.> >> > With respect and regards,> >> > Varun Trivedi> >> > , "S.C. Kursija" <sckursija@ ..> wrote:> > >> > > Respected Sh Varun ji,> > > Thanks for sparing your valuable time for my query. But I am sorry to write that being follower of Parashar system, I am not able to understand Mercury of Laal Kitab. In Laal Kitab Mercury can be in opposition to Venus which is not possible in Astronomy. Mercury+Ketu, Mercury+Venus in "Muthi Bandha ke gharo me" Mercury_Jupiter, Mercury+Mars are malefic in laal Kitab irrespective of any house. While discussing remedy for Sun+Ketu, "lal goli of iron" you wrote that for Mercury> > > the ‘chaal and

buniyad’ of the planets could be corrected." How a planet which gives the results of his conjunct ed planet can correct the Chaal and Buniyad of other planet.> > > More over why is the necessity of Saturn iron to separated the Lalima of Sun? Sun and Mars are friend, Sun is karaka and other is lord of the house. Both will go hand in hand. How one can enter political field with out the courage of Mars, lalima? The explanation apprears to be forced.> > > Ketu in 8th you forget the dictu m of laal Kitab “ bachchon ki muhabbat ke gam mein chhat par rone wala kuttaâ€. The combination of Ketu and Mars and Venus and Mars in 8th be beneficial? Mercury in the 9th house is Kodi when with other planets Mars in 8the is in his pakka house. Can we change the nature of the planet in his pakka ghara.> > > I have little knowledge of Laal Kitab, You are the master. I beg apology if I have commented wrongly.>

> > regards.> > > --- On Mon, 5/18/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> wrote:> > >> > >> > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...>> > > LK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy> > > > > > Monday, May 18, 2009, 5:51 PM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Respected Kursija ji,> > >> > > Ketu placed in the 8th house will not be malefic for progeny per se unless it is afflicted. Ketu in the 8th has been described as “ bachchon ki muhabbat ke gam mein chhat par rone wala kuttaâ€. I am aware of the dictum that ketu is kujvat and Rahu shanivat.> > >> > > Yes, it can delay progeny depending on where the mercury is placed. If mercury

is placed in the adrashta ardha [ house 1 to 6 ] then the jatak is likely to beget a son before the age 34 years and such a son is long lived. If the mercury is placed in the drashta ardha [ house 7 to 12] then the birth of a son might get delayed and be born after the age of 34 years. If the Ketu in the 8th is slightly afflicted and the mercury is placed in the drashta ardha then the sonmight be born even around 45 -48 years.> > >> > > Mars, venus and ketu in the 8th house; with the sun, mercury and Saturn in the 9th: In this combination Mars becomes shubh because the sun and the mercury are together. Therefore the combination basically becomes shubh mars + Venus + ketu. Although the Mars + ketu combination in the 8th house is considered as bad, there might be some saving grace because of mars being shubha. The best upaya would be getting the ear pierced and wear a gold stud or wire for 96 hours at least. There can be quite a

few alternative upaya. Since we do not discuss upaya in this group, I will not go into them.> > >> > > Sun, mercury and Saturn in the 9th: In this case these planets will give their own effect and that too benefic. Because of the presence of the mercury, there will be no hostility between the sun and the Saturn. Yes, this combination will adversely affect the Jupiter and its significations. In that case the upaya for Jupiter will have to be done so that it is protected against any adverse effect of this combination in the 9th house.> > >> > > With respect and regards,> > >> > > Varun Trivedi> > >> > > , "S.C. Kursija" <sckursija@ ..> wrote:> > > >> > > > Respected Varun ji,> > > > Thanks for the prompt reply and explanations. If you allow me I would like

to put some more querey regarding Ketu Son, as the children are the result of our prevous karma.> > > > Ket is fiery and Tamsic being like Mars but shishya/deciple of Jupiter.> > > > > > > > Ketu in 8th is always malefic for the children, son. If there is son to the native, the native will always be worried about him. If the Ketu is with Mars and Venus in 8th, Ketu will be established, What Mars Venus and Rahu will do? and what should be the remedy when Sun, Mercury and Saturn are also in the 9th i.e. 2nd to Ketu the house of Takrar, maraka> > > >> > > > --- On Mon, 5/18/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...>> > > > LK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy> > > > >

> > > Monday, May 18, 2009, 8:52 AM> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Respected Kursija ji,> > > >> > > > The upaya discussed is for Ketu as such when afflicting the sun.> > > >> > > > If the Sun is in the 7th house while the Ketu is in the 1st house, then the sun would be afflicted by the rahu being in the 7th. In this case the upaya will have to be done for all the three; for ketu to restore the brilliance of the sun, for the sun to strengthen it, and for the rahu in the 7th.> > > >> > > > Yes, the Lal Kitab says that after the marriage there could be a possibility of Ketu going ‘manda’. In this situation the Saturn would automatically help, if not a saturn upaya will

be helpful. To my mind the marriage establishes a Venus [ rahu + ketu ]. Therefore it is the establishing of the rahu component which could result in making the Ketu behave ‘manda’.> > > >> > > > [ 2 ] If the Ketu is in the 5th house, the Jupiter should be well placed; and the planets inimical to Jupiter should not be in the adjacent houses or in the 12th house the house of conflict [ takrav]> > > > When ketu is placed in the 5th with mercury and Jupiter in the 6th a parivartan takes place. Jupiter becomes malefic. Ketu in the company of mercury gets manda. In this situation even the placement of moon or/and sun in the adjacent houses may not be able to help. Jupiter in the 6th as such can cause the breathing trouble.> > > >> > > > When the planets inimical to Jupiter like venus, mercury etc are placed in 2,5,12 then the ‘grahasti sukh’ is likely to be adversely

affected. The results of Ketu in the 5th especially the comfort from the sons is likely to be lessened. The 9th house has not been included because the 9th house is not only a pakka house of Jupiter, it also belongs to Jupiter therefore less likely to harm Jupiter and consequently ketu. The 12 house has been included because it is in the 6-8 takrav position from the 5th. The book advises to gift the karak objects of moon and mars to get over this situation.> > > >> > > > With respect and regards> > > >> > > > Varun Trivedi> > > >> > > > , "S.C. Kursija" <sckursija@ ..> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Respected Varun ji,> > > > >> > > > > Thanks for the explanation of ketu remedy in the first house.. But If the Sun is posited in 7th house,

does the same remedy will work?> > > > > > > > > > It is said that Ketu in first becomes bad after marriage.> > > > > > > > > > 2) The Ketu in the 5th house is not considered bad as 5th is the house of his Guru. The condition is that Jupiter, Moon or Sun should be in 4th, 6th or 12th house, Why? Particularly Jupiter should be in good condition i.e. strong. Venus is posited 4th and Saturn ib 9th house ?> > > > > > > > > > If Ketu in 5th is posited with Mercury, Moon in 4th and Sun in 6th.and other planets in 6th i.e. Jupiter in 6th, (ketu) will suffer? Why it gives the disease of breathe? It is said that if Venus, Mercury or Saturn posxited in 2nd, 5th or 12th, the pakka house of Jupiter, the native will not have happiness from his children Why 9th house has not been taken? Its remedy.> > > >

>> > > > > Regards> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > --- On Sun, 5/17/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...>> > > > > LK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy> > > > > > > > > > Sunday, May 17, 2009, 11:39 AM> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >

> Respected Sivraman ji,> > > > > > > > > > Lal Kitab says:> > > > > > > > > > “ravi ko gar vah madhyam kare to graham chandra ko karata haiâ€> > > > > > > > > > [ 1942 urdu ed ; page 230]> > > > > > > > > > When the Sun is afflicted by Ketu and as a consequence gets dim [ madhyam] and therefore loses its brilliance/warmth then the upaya, to keep a round iron goli painted dull red, is advised. The nishaniyan of such an affliction could be a conflict with the State, problems in Government job, blood pressure, erratic heart beat, etc..> > > > >

> > > > > The sun doesn’t have its brilliance/warmth in the early morning or when setting in the evening. The indicator is the ‘lalami’ [redness]. Therefore an upaya has to be done to separate this redness from the sun so that its brilliance/warmth is restored. ‘lalami’ is related to Mars.> > > > > > > > > > The help of mercury too will have to be taken so that the ‘chaal and buniyad’ of the planets could be corrected.> > > > > > > > > > It is the shrewdness of the Saturn which can help achieve it. The saturn would act as a catalyst to separate the 'lalami' [mars] from the Sun. Therefore the help of Saturn too will be needed.> > > > > > > > > > Summarizing, the help of three planets i.e. Saturn, mercury and the mars will have to be sought.> > > > > >

> > > > Therefore the upaya suggests to keep an iron [ saturn] goli [mercury] painted dull red [mars]> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "lshivraman" <lshivraman@ ..> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > >> > > > > > It is advised that one should keep an iron goli painted red if he has Ketu in the first house. Sir how is a red iron goli related to Ketu? Will be grateful if you could explain. Thanking you in advance. Sincerely,Shivraman> > >

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Respected Goel ji,

Thanks for the chart. I shall like to know the status of the profession and education of the son of the native.

Regards--- On Tue, 5/19/09, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote:

Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937LK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy Cc: astrologyandremedies Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 12:50 PM

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Varun ji.

A female was born on Nov15, 1942 at 10.05 PM IST (not war time) Aligarh UP

She has Ketu in 8H and Mercury in 4H,(Adrishya half).

She was blessed with son on Feb7,1964 at 13. 57 hrs at Kanpur in her 22th year of age

Her son is healthy and earning well.

Lalkitab dictum is working very well.

I find dictum of lalkitab are infallible.

Regards, G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA

 

 

 

varun_trvd <varun_trvd (AT) (DOT) co.in> Tuesday, 19 May, 2009 11:49:17 AMLK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy

 

Respected Kursija ji,Sir, you are most welcome to seek clarifications on the Lal Kitab concepts and principles. I will always try to answer to the best of my ability.With Respect and regards,Varun Trivedi , "S.C. Kursija" <sckursija@. ..> wrote:>> Respected Varun Ji,> > Thanks for bearing me and your patience to reply.> > Regards> > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 5/19/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> wrote:> > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...>> LK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy> > Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 12:02 AM> > > > > > > > > Respected Kursija ji,> > In Lal Kitab janma kundali also it is not possible for venus to be in opposition to mercury. It is only in a varsh phal kundali that venus can be 7 houses apart from mercury or the sun. You would be aware that the Lal Kitab varsh kundali is not based on Varsh pravesh, instead it is based on the planetary positions laid down for each year according to the houses they occupy in the janma kundali. Venus can also be 7 houses apart from mercury in a Janma kundali prepared with the help of palmistry.> > In order to understand the nature of mercury you may have to go to the

Lal Kitab itself. When I said that the ‘chal and buniyad’ is to be corrected and ‘It is the shrewdness of the Saturn which can help achieve it’ ; or when I talked of ‘lalami’ I was referring to lines 7-19 of page 233 of 1942 urdu ed of the book. In order to understand the entire context you have to go through that passage. The explanation was not forced as you seem to believe. I will never force an explanation; I consider it academically unethical. I always keep close to the spirit of the book.> > No, I did not forget the Ketu in 8th dictum ‘bachchon ki muhabbat ke gam mein…’, I had quoted it myself in my previous answer.> > Whether the combination of mars + ketu or mars + venus would be good or bad will depend on the nature of Mars. Since the sun and mercury are together, mars should act benefic. Yes mercury alone in the 9th is ‘kodhi’ but the results get modified when with the sun.> > For

Mars in the 8th house, though in its pakka ghar, the Lal Kitab suggests upaya for it. Had mars been non-remediable the book would not have suggested the upaya for it.> > No, you have not commented wrongly. As a matter of fact I love such discussions. These discussions help us keep abreast with the book and make us think.> > I welcome your inquisitiveness. I hope that you will continue posting such queries in the future also.> > With respect and regards,> > Varun Trivedi> > , "S.C. Kursija" <sckursija@ ..> wrote:> >> > Respected Sh Varun ji,> > Thanks for sparing your valuable time for my query. But I am sorry to write that being follower of Parashar system, I am not able to understand Mercury of Laal Kitab. In Laal Kitab Mercury can be in opposition to Venus which is not possible in Astronomy.

Mercury+Ketu, Mercury+Venus in "Muthi Bandha ke gharo me" Mercury_Jupiter, Mercury+Mars are malefic in laal Kitab irrespective of any house. While discussing remedy for Sun+Ketu, "lal goli of iron" you wrote that for Mercury> > the ‘chaal and buniyad’ of the planets could be corrected." How a planet which gives the results of his conjunct ed planet can correct the Chaal and Buniyad of other planet.> > More over why is the necessity of Saturn iron to separated the Lalima of Sun? Sun and Mars are friend, Sun is karaka and other is lord of the house. Both will go hand in hand. How one can enter political field with out the courage of Mars, lalima? The explanation apprears to be forced.> > Ketu in 8th you forget the dictu m of laal Kitab “ bachchon ki muhabbat ke gam mein chhat par rone wala kuttaâ€. The combination of Ketu and Mars and Venus and Mars in 8th be beneficial? Mercury in the 9th house is Kodi when

with other planets Mars in 8the is in his pakka house. Can we change the nature of the planet in his pakka ghara.> > I have little knowledge of Laal Kitab, You are the master. I beg apology if I have commented wrongly.> > regards.> > --- On Mon, 5/18/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> wrote:> >> >> > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...>> > LK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy> > > > Monday, May 18, 2009, 5:51 PM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Respected Kursija ji,> >> > Ketu placed in the 8th house will not be malefic for progeny per se unless it is afflicted. Ketu in the 8th has been described as “ bachchon ki muhabbat ke gam mein chhat par rone wala kuttaâ€. I am aware of the dictum that

ketu is kujvat and Rahu shanivat.> >> > Yes, it can delay progeny depending on where the mercury is placed. If mercury is placed in the adrashta ardha [ house 1 to 6 ] then the jatak is likely to beget a son before the age 34 years and such a son is long lived. If the mercury is placed in the drashta ardha [ house 7 to 12] then the birth of a son might get delayed and be born after the age of 34 years. If the Ketu in the 8th is slightly afflicted and the mercury is placed in the drashta ardha then the sonmight be born even around 45 -48 years.> >> > Mars, venus and ketu in the 8th house; with the sun, mercury and Saturn in the 9th: In this combination Mars becomes shubh because the sun and the mercury are together. Therefore the combination basically becomes shubh mars + Venus + ketu. Although the Mars + ketu combination in the 8th house is considered as bad, there might be some saving grace because of mars being

shubha. The best upaya would be getting the ear pierced and wear a gold stud or wire for 96 hours at least. There can be quite a few alternative upaya. Since we do not discuss upaya in this group, I will not go into them.> >> > Sun, mercury and Saturn in the 9th: In this case these planets will give their own effect and that too benefic. Because of the presence of the mercury, there will be no hostility between the sun and the Saturn. Yes, this combination will adversely affect the Jupiter and its significations. In that case the upaya for Jupiter will have to be done so that it is protected against any adverse effect of this combination in the 9th house.> >> > With respect and regards,> >> > Varun Trivedi> >> > , "S.C. Kursija" <sckursija@ ..> wrote:> > >> > > Respected Varun ji,> > >

Thanks for the prompt reply and explanations. If you allow me I would like to put some more querey regarding Ketu Son, as the children are the result of our prevous karma.> > > Ket is fiery and Tamsic being like Mars but shishya/deciple of Jupiter.> > > > > > Ketu in 8th is always malefic for the children, son. If there is son to the native, the native will always be worried about him. If the Ketu is with Mars and Venus in 8th, Ketu will be established, What Mars Venus and Rahu will do? and what should be the remedy when Sun, Mercury and Saturn are also in the 9th i.e. 2nd to Ketu the house of Takrar, maraka> > >> > > --- On Mon, 5/18/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> wrote:> > >> > >> > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...>> > > LK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy> > >

> > > Monday, May 18, 2009, 8:52 AM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Respected Kursija ji,> > >> > > The upaya discussed is for Ketu as such when afflicting the sun.> > >> > > If the Sun is in the 7th house while the Ketu is in the 1st house, then the sun would be afflicted by the rahu being in the 7th. In this case the upaya will have to be done for all the three; for ketu to restore the brilliance of the sun, for the sun to strengthen it, and for the rahu in the 7th.> > >> > > Yes, the Lal Kitab says that after the marriage there could be a possibility of Ketu going ‘manda’. In this situation the Saturn would automatically help, if not a saturn upaya will be helpful. To my mind the marriage establishes a

Venus [ rahu + ketu ]. Therefore it is the establishing of the rahu component which could result in making the Ketu behave ‘manda’.> > >> > > [ 2 ] If the Ketu is in the 5th house, the Jupiter should be well placed; and the planets inimical to Jupiter should not be in the adjacent houses or in the 12th house the house of conflict [ takrav]> > > When ketu is placed in the 5th with mercury and Jupiter in the 6th a parivartan takes place. Jupiter becomes malefic. Ketu in the company of mercury gets manda. In this situation even the placement of moon or/and sun in the adjacent houses may not be able to help. Jupiter in the 6th as such can cause the breathing trouble.> > >> > > When the planets inimical to Jupiter like venus, mercury etc are placed in 2,5,12 then the ‘grahasti sukh’ is likely to be adversely affected. The results of Ketu in the 5th especially the comfort from the sons

is likely to be lessened. The 9th house has not been included because the 9th house is not only a pakka house of Jupiter, it also belongs to Jupiter therefore less likely to harm Jupiter and consequently ketu. The 12 house has been included because it is in the 6-8 takrav position from the 5th. The book advises to gift the karak objects of moon and mars to get over this situation.> > >> > > With respect and regards> > >> > > Varun Trivedi> > >> > > , "S.C. Kursija" <sckursija@ ..> wrote:> > > >> > > > Respected Varun ji,> > > >> > > > Thanks for the explanation of ketu remedy in the first house.. But If the Sun is posited in 7th house, does the same remedy will work?> > > > > > > > It is said that Ketu in first becomes bad

after marriage.> > > > > > > > 2) The Ketu in the 5th house is not considered bad as 5th is the house of his Guru. The condition is that Jupiter, Moon or Sun should be in 4th, 6th or 12th house, Why? Particularly Jupiter should be in good condition i.e. strong. Venus is posited 4th and Saturn ib 9th house ?> > > > > > > > If Ketu in 5th is posited with Mercury, Moon in 4th and Sun in 6th.and other planets in 6th i.e. Jupiter in 6th, (ketu) will suffer? Why it gives the disease of breathe? It is said that if Venus, Mercury or Saturn posxited in 2nd, 5th or 12th, the pakka house of Jupiter, the native will not have happiness from his children Why 9th house has not been taken? Its remedy.> > > >> > > > Regards> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >

> >> > > >> > > >> > > > --- On Sun, 5/17/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...>> > > > LK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy> > > > > > > > Sunday, May 17, 2009, 11:39 AM> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Respected Sivraman ji,> > > > > > > > Lal Kitab says:> > > > > > > > “ravi ko gar vah madhyam kare to graham chandra ko karata haiâ€> > > > > > > >

[ 1942 urdu ed ; page 230]> > > > > > > > When the Sun is afflicted by Ketu and as a consequence gets dim [ madhyam] and therefore loses its brilliance/warmth then the upaya, to keep a round iron goli painted dull red, is advised. The nishaniyan of such an affliction could be a conflict with the State, problems in Government job, blood pressure, erratic heart beat, etc.> > > > > > > > The sun doesn’t have its brilliance/warmth in the early morning or when setting in the evening. The indicator is the ‘lalami’ [redness]. Therefore an upaya has to be done to separate this redness from the sun so that its brilliance/warmth is restored. ‘lalami’ is related to

Mars.> > > > > > > > The help of mercury too will have to be taken so that the ‘chaal and buniyad’ of the planets could be corrected.> > > > > > > > It is the shrewdness of the Saturn which can help achieve it. The saturn would act as a catalyst to separate the 'lalami' [mars] from the Sun. Therefore the help of Saturn too will be needed.> > > > > > > > Summarizing, the help of three planets i.e. Saturn, mercury and the mars will have to be sought.> > > > > > > > Therefore the upaya suggests to keep an iron [ saturn] goli [mercury] painted dull red [mars]> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , "lshivraman" <lshivraman@ ..> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > >> > > > > It is advised that one should keep an iron goli painted red if he has Ketu in the first house. Sir how is a red iron goli related to Ketu? Will be grateful if you could explain. Thanking you in advance. Sincerely,Shivraman> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

 

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Respected Kursija ji,

 

Since respected Goel Saheb knows the jatak, he would be in a better position to

answer whether the son had good education and a good profession.

 

As I can see, Ketu placed with moon in the 8th [ which is 4th from the 5th ]

indicates good education. At the most, there might have been some break in

education or some problem during his 24th year.

 

By looking at the Chaturvinshansh chart of the son himself it becomes evident

that he must have done very well at the 10+2 and the Graduate level. If at all,

there might have been some obstacle at his Masters level.

 

With respect and regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija

wrote:

>

> Shri Goel ji,

>

> I agree that the native may had a son while ketu in 8th, but the native will

be worried about his education, job etc. I shall be glad to know the education

and settlement in profession of the son of the female.

>

> With regards

>

>

>

>

> --- On Tue, 5/19/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote:

>

>

> varun_trvd <varun_trvd

> LK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy

>

> Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 5:06 PM

>

>

Respected Goel Saheb,

>

> Thanks a lot for sharing with us this information.

>

> Sir, you are very right that the Lal Kitab dictums come out to be true most of

the times.

>

> With Respect and regards,

>

> Varun Trivedi

>

> , Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Varun ji.

> >

> >

> > A female was  born on Nov15, 1942 at 10.05 PM IST (not war time) Aligarh

UP

> >

> > She has Ketu in 8H and Mercury in 4H,(Adrishya half).

> > She was blessed with son on Feb7,1964 at 13. 57 hrs at Kanpur in her 22th

year of age

> >

> > Her son is healthy and earning well.

> >

> > Lalkitab dictum is working very well.

> >

> > I find dictum of lalkitab are infallible.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> >  G.K.GOEL

> >

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> > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...>

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> > Tuesday, 19 May, 2009 11:49:17 AM

> > LK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Respected Kursija ji,

> >

> > Sir, you are most welcome to seek clarifications on the Lal Kitab concepts

and principles. I will always try to answer to the best of my ability.

> >

> > With Respect and regards,

> >

> > Varun Trivedi

> >

> > , " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija@ ..>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Varun Ji,

> > >

> > > Thanks for bearing me and your patience to reply.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- On Tue, 5/19/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...>

> > > LK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy

> > >

> > > Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 12:02 AM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Respected Kursija ji,

> > >

> > > In Lal Kitab janma kundali also it is not possible for venus to be in

opposition to mercury. It is only in a varsh phal kundali that venus can be 7

houses apart from mercury or the sun. You would be aware that the Lal Kitab

varsh kundali is not based on Varsh pravesh, instead it is based on the

planetary positions laid down for each year according to the houses they occupy

in the janma kundali. Venus can also be 7 houses apart from mercury in a Janma

kundali prepared with the help of palmistry.

> > >

> > > In order to understand the nature of mercury you may have to go to the Lal

Kitab itself. When I said that the ‘chal and buniyad’ is to be corrected and

‘It is the shrewdness of the Saturn which can help achieve it’ ; or when I

talked of ‘lalami’ I was referring to lines 7-19 of page 233 of 1942 urdu ed

of the book. In order to understand the entire context you have to go through

that passage. The explanation was not forced as you seem to believe. I will

never force an explanation; I consider it academically unethical. I always keep

close to the spirit of the book.

> > >

> > > No, I did not forget the Ketu in 8th dictum ‘bachchon ki muhabbat ke gam

mein…’, I had quoted it myself in my previous answer.

> > >

> > > Whether the combination of mars + ketu or mars + venus would be good or

bad will depend on the nature of Mars. Since the sun and mercury are together,

mars should act benefic. Yes mercury alone in the 9th is ‘kodhi’ but the

results get modified when with the sun.

> > >

> > > For Mars in the 8th house, though in its pakka ghar, the Lal Kitab

suggests upaya for it. Had mars been non-remediable the book would not have

suggested the upaya for it.

> > >

> > > No, you have not commented wrongly. As a matter of fact I love such

discussions. These discussions help us keep abreast with the book and make us

think.

> > >

> > > I welcome your inquisitiveness. I hope that you will continue posting such

queries in the future also.

> > >

> > > With respect and regards,

> > >

> > > Varun Trivedi

> > >

> > > , " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija@

...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Sh Varun ji,

> > > > Thanks for sparing your valuable time for my query. But I am sorry to

write that being follower of Parashar system, I am not able to understand

Mercury of Laal Kitab. In Laal Kitab Mercury can be in opposition to Venus which

is not possible in Astronomy. Mercury+Ketu, Mercury+Venus in " Muthi Bandha ke

gharo me "   Mercury_Jupiter, Mercury+Mars are malefic in laal Kitab irrespective

of any house. While discussing remedy for Sun+Ketu, " lal goli of iron " you wrote

that for Mercury

> > > > the ‘chaal and buniyad’ of the planets could be corrected. " How a

planet which gives the results of his conjunct ed planet can correct the Chaal

and Buniyad of other planet.

> > > > More over why is the necessity of Saturn iron to separated the Lalima of

Sun? Sun and Mars are friend, Sun is karaka and other is lord of the house. Both

will go hand in hand. How one can enter political field with out the courage of

Mars, lalima? The explanation apprears to be forced.

> > > > Ketu in 8th you forget the dictu m of laal Kitab “ bachchon ki

muhabbat ke gam mein chhat par rone wala kuttaâ€. The combination of Ketu and

Mars and Venus and Mars in 8th be beneficial? Mercury in the 9th house is Kodi

when with other planets  Mars in 8the is in his pakka house. Can we change the

nature of the planet in his pakka ghara.

> > > > I have little knowledge of Laal Kitab, You are the master. I beg apology

if I have commented wrongly.

> > > > regards.

> > > > --- On Mon, 5/18/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...>

> > > > LK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy

> > > >

> > > > Monday, May 18, 2009, 5:51 PM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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> > > >

> > > > Respected Kursija ji,

> > > >

> > > > Ketu placed in the 8th house will not be malefic for progeny per se

unless it is afflicted. Ketu in the 8th has been described as “ bachchon ki

muhabbat ke gam mein chhat par rone wala kuttaâ€. I am aware of the dictum that

ketu is kujvat and Rahu shanivat.

> > > >

> > > > Yes, it can delay progeny depending on where the mercury is placed. If

mercury is placed in the adrashta ardha [ house 1 to 6 ] then the jatak is

likely to beget a son before the age 34 years and such a son is long lived. If

the mercury is placed in the drashta ardha [ house 7 to 12] then the birth of a

son might get delayed and be born after the age of 34 years. If the Ketu in the

8th is slightly afflicted and the mercury is placed in the drashta ardha then

the sonmight be born even around 45 -48 years.

> > > >

> > > > Mars, venus and ketu in the 8th house; with the sun, mercury and Saturn

in the 9th: In this combination Mars becomes shubh because the sun and the

mercury are together. Therefore the combination basically becomes shubh mars +

Venus + ketu. Although the Mars + ketu combination in the 8th house is

considered as bad, there might be some saving grace because of mars being

shubha. The best upaya would be getting the ear pierced and wear a gold stud or

wire for 96 hours at least. There can be quite a few alternative upaya. Since we

do not discuss upaya in this group, I will not go into them.

> > > >

> > > > Sun, mercury and Saturn in the 9th: In this case these planets will give

their own effect and that too benefic. Because of the presence of the mercury,

there will be no hostility between the sun and the Saturn. Yes, this combination

will adversely affect the Jupiter and its significations. In that case the upaya

for Jupiter will have to be done so that it is protected against any adverse

effect of this combination in the 9th house.

> > > >

> > > > With respect and regards,

> > > >

> > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > >

> > > > , " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija@

...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Varun ji,

> > > > > Thanks for the prompt reply and explanations. If you allow me I would

like to put some more querey regarding Ketu Son, as the children are the result

of our prevous karma.

> > > > > Ket is fiery and Tamsic being like Mars but shishya/deciple  of

Jupiter.

> > > > >  

> > > > > Ketu in 8th is always malefic for the children, son. If there is son

to the native, the native will always be worried about him. If the Ketu is with

Mars and Venus in 8th, Ketu will be established, What Mars Venus and Rahu will

do? and what should be the remedy when Sun, Mercury and Saturn are also in the

9th i.e. 2nd to Ketu the house of Takrar, maraka

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Mon, 5/18/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...>

> > > > > LK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy

> > > > >

> > > > > Monday, May 18, 2009, 8:52 AM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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> > > > > Respected Kursija ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > The upaya discussed is for Ketu as such when afflicting the sun.

> > > > >

> > > > > If the Sun is in the 7th house while the Ketu is in the 1st house,

then the sun would be afflicted by the rahu being in the 7th. In this case the

upaya will have to be done for all the three; for ketu to restore the brilliance

of the sun, for the sun to strengthen it, and for the rahu in the 7th.

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes, the Lal Kitab says that after the marriage there could be a

possibility of Ketu going ‘manda’. In this situation the Saturn would

automatically help, if not a saturn upaya will be helpful. To my mind the

marriage establishes a Venus [ rahu + ketu ]. Therefore it is the establishing

of the rahu component which could result in making the Ketu behave ‘manda’.

> > > > >

> > > > > [ 2 ] If the Ketu is in the 5th house, the Jupiter should be well

placed; and the planets inimical to Jupiter should not be in the adjacent houses

or in the 12th house the house of conflict [ takrav]

> > > > > When ketu is placed in the 5th with mercury and Jupiter in the 6th a

parivartan takes place. Jupiter becomes malefic. Ketu in the company of mercury

gets manda. In this situation even the placement of moon or/and sun in the

adjacent houses may not be able to help. Jupiter in the 6th as such can cause

the breathing trouble.

> > > > >

> > > > > When the planets inimical to Jupiter like venus, mercury etc are

placed in 2,5,12 then the ‘grahasti sukh’ is likely to be adversely

affected. The results of Ketu in the 5th especially the comfort from the sons is

likely to be lessened. The 9th house has not been included because the 9th house

is not only a pakka house of Jupiter, it also belongs to Jupiter therefore less

likely to harm Jupiter and consequently ketu. The 12 house has been included

because it is in the 6-8 takrav position from the 5th. The book advises to gift

the karak objects of moon and mars to get over this situation.

> > > > >

> > > > > With respect and regards

> > > > >

> > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > >

> > > > > , " S.C. Kursija "

<sckursija@ ..> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respected Varun ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks for the explanation of ketu remedy in the first house.. But

If the Sun is posited in 7th house, does the same remedy will work?

> > > > > >  

> > > > > > It is said that Ketu in first becomes bad after marriage.

> > > > > >  

> > > > > > 2) The Ketu in the 5th house is not considered bad as 5th is the

house of his Guru. The condition is that Jupiter, Moon or Sun should be in 4th,

6th or 12th house, Why? Particularly Jupiter should be in good condition i.e.

strong. Venus is posited 4th and Saturn ib 9th house ?

> > > > > >  

> > > > > > If Ketu in 5th is posited with Mercury, Moon in 4th and Sun in

6th.and other planets in 6th i.e.  Jupiter in 6th, (ketu)  will suffer? Why it

gives the disease of breathe? It is said that if Venus, Mercury or Saturn

posxited in 2nd, 5th or 12th, the pakka house of Jupiter, the native will not

have happiness from his children Why 9th house has not been taken? Its remedy.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

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> > > > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...>

> > > > > > LK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy

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> > > > > > Sunday, May 17, 2009, 11:39 AM

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> > > > > > Respected Sivraman ji,

> > > > > >  

> > > > > > Lal Kitab says:

> > > > > >  

> > > > > > “ravi ko gar vah madhyam kare to graham chandra ko karata haiâ€

> > > > > >  

> > > > > >

                                     [ 1942

urdu ed ; page 230]

> > > > > >  

> > > > > > When the Sun is afflicted by Ketu and as a consequence gets dim [

madhyam] and therefore loses its brilliance/warmth then the upaya, to keep a

round iron goli painted dull red, is advised. The nishaniyan of such an

affliction could be a conflict with the State, problems in Government job, blood

pressure, erratic heart beat, etc..

> > > > > >  

> > > > > > The sun doesn’t have its brilliance/warmth in the early morning or

when setting in the evening. The indicator is the ‘lalami’ [redness].

Therefore an upaya has to be done to separate this redness from the sun so that

its brilliance/warmth is restored. ‘lalami’ is related to Mars.

> > > > > >  

> > > > > > The help of mercury too will have to be taken so that the ‘chaal

and buniyad’ of the planets could be corrected.

> > > > > >  

> > > > > > It is the shrewdness of the Saturn which can help achieve it. The

saturn would act as a catalyst to separate the 'lalami' [mars] from the Sun.

Therefore the help of Saturn too will be needed.

> > > > > >  

> > > > > > Summarizing, the help of three planets i.e. Saturn, mercury and the

mars will have to be sought.

> > > > > >  

> > > > > > Therefore the upaya suggests to keep an iron [ saturn] goli

[mercury] painted dull red [mars]

> > > > > >  

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >  

> > > > > > Varun Trivedi

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> > > > > > , " lshivraman "

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> > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It is advised that one should keep an iron goli painted red if he

has Ketu in the first house. Sir how is a red iron goli related to Ketu? Will be

grateful if you could explain. Thanking you in advance. Sincerely,Shivraman

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Dear Friends,

As per my understanding , Lalkitab indicates major events in the life of native.

In case evil results are expected , some remidial majors are indicated

which were easy to perform in village type of economy.

As big cities are growing , it is not possible to perform some remedies in

convinient manner.

Whatever indication given by lalkitab do come true but they are not quite comphrensive.

 

For detailed indications one has to fall back on Horashastra.

 

If we wish to access the educational and professional back ground of the native's son .

we must consider D-1,D-9,D-10 and D-24 charts of the son of the lady.

The son did CA after copleting his graduation from sciense stream.He was bright student. Now a days he is marketing accounding software which is his

own development. Birth details are with you and rest of the results may be accessed from his nativity.

Regards,

G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA

 

 

 

S.C. Kursija <sckursija Sent: Tuesday, 19 May, 2009 7:21:11 PMLK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy

 

 

 

 

 

 

Respected Goel ji,

Thanks for the chart. I shall like to know the status of the profession and education of the son of the native.

Regards--- On Tue, 5/19/09, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 (AT) (DOT) co.in>LK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy Cc: astrologyandremedie s Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 12:50 PM

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Varun ji.

A female was born on Nov15, 1942 at 10.05 PM IST (not war time) Aligarh UP

She has Ketu in 8H and Mercury in 4H,(Adrishya half).

She was blessed with son on Feb7,1964 at 13. 57 hrs at Kanpur in her 22th year of age

Her son is healthy and earning well.

Lalkitab dictum is working very well.

I find dictum of lalkitab are infallible.

Regards, G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA

 

 

 

varun_trvd <varun_trvd (AT) (DOT) co.in> Tuesday, 19 May, 2009 11:49:17 AMLK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy

 

Respected Kursija ji,Sir, you are most welcome to seek clarifications on the Lal Kitab concepts and principles. I will always try to answer to the best of my ability.With Respect and regards,Varun Trivedi @.. com, "S.C. Kursija" <sckursija@. ..> wrote:>> Respected Varun Ji,> > Thanks for bearing me and your patience to reply.> > Regards> > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 5/19/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> wrote:> > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...>> LK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy> > Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 12:02 AM> > > > > > > > > Respected Kursija ji,> > In Lal Kitab janma kundali also it is not possible for venus to be in opposition to mercury. It is only in a varsh phal kundali that venus can be 7 houses apart from mercury or the sun. You would be aware that the Lal Kitab varsh kundali is not based on Varsh pravesh, instead it is based on the planetary positions laid down for each year according to the houses they occupy in the janma kundali. Venus can also be 7 houses apart from mercury in a Janma kundali prepared with the help of palmistry.> > In order to understand the nature of mercury you may have to go to the Lal Kitab itself. When I said that the ‘chal and buniyad’ is to be corrected and ‘It is the shrewdness of the Saturn which can help achieve it’ ; or

when I talked of ‘lalami’ I was referring to lines 7-19 of page 233 of 1942 urdu ed of the book. In order to understand the entire context you have to go through that passage. The explanation was not forced as you seem to believe. I will never force an explanation; I consider it academically unethical. I always keep close to the spirit of the book.> > No, I did not forget the Ketu in 8th dictum ‘bachchon ki muhabbat ke gam mein…’, I had quoted it myself in my previous answer.> > Whether the combination of mars + ketu or mars + venus would be good or bad will depend on the nature of Mars. Since the sun and mercury are together, mars should act benefic. Yes mercury alone in the 9th is ‘kodhi’ but the results get modified when with the sun.> > For Mars in the 8th house, though in its pakka ghar, the Lal Kitab suggests upaya for it. Had mars been non-remediable the book would not have suggested the

upaya for it.> > No, you have not commented wrongly. As a matter of fact I love such discussions. These discussions help us keep abreast with the book and make us think.> > I welcome your inquisitiveness. I hope that you will continue posting such queries in the future also.> > With respect and regards,> > Varun Trivedi> > , "S.C. Kursija" <sckursija@ ..> wrote:> >> > Respected Sh Varun ji,> > Thanks for sparing your valuable time for my query. But I am sorry to write that being follower of Parashar system, I am not able to understand Mercury of Laal Kitab. In Laal Kitab Mercury can be in opposition to Venus which is not possible in Astronomy. Mercury+Ketu, Mercury+Venus in "Muthi Bandha ke gharo me" Mercury_Jupiter, Mercury+Mars are malefic in laal Kitab irrespective of any house. While discussing

remedy for Sun+Ketu, "lal goli of iron" you wrote that for Mercury> > the ‘chaal and buniyad’ of the planets could be corrected." How a planet which gives the results of his conjunct ed planet can correct the Chaal and Buniyad of other planet.> > More over why is the necessity of Saturn iron to separated the Lalima of Sun? Sun and Mars are friend, Sun is karaka and other is lord of the house. Both will go hand in hand. How one can enter political field with out the courage of Mars, lalima? The explanation apprears to be forced.> > Ketu in 8th you forget the dictu m of laal Kitab “ bachchon ki muhabbat ke gam mein chhat par rone wala kuttaâ€. The combination of Ketu and Mars and Venus and Mars in 8th be beneficial? Mercury in the 9th house is Kodi when with other planets Mars in 8the is in his pakka house. Can we change the nature of the planet in his pakka ghara.> > I have little knowledge of

Laal Kitab, You are the master. I beg apology if I have commented wrongly.> > regards.> > --- On Mon, 5/18/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> wrote:> >> >> > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...>> > LK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy> > > > Monday, May 18, 2009, 5:51 PM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Respected Kursija ji,> >> > Ketu placed in the 8th house will not be malefic for progeny per se unless it is afflicted. Ketu in the 8th has been described as “ bachchon ki muhabbat ke gam mein chhat par rone wala kuttaâ€. I am aware of the dictum that ketu is kujvat and Rahu shanivat.> >> > Yes, it can delay progeny depending on where the mercury is placed. If mercury is placed in the

adrashta ardha [ house 1 to 6 ] then the jatak is likely to beget a son before the age 34 years and such a son is long lived. If the mercury is placed in the drashta ardha [ house 7 to 12] then the birth of a son might get delayed and be born after the age of 34 years. If the Ketu in the 8th is slightly afflicted and the mercury is placed in the drashta ardha then the sonmight be born even around 45 -48 years.> >> > Mars, venus and ketu in the 8th house; with the sun, mercury and Saturn in the 9th: In this combination Mars becomes shubh because the sun and the mercury are together. Therefore the combination basically becomes shubh mars + Venus + ketu. Although the Mars + ketu combination in the 8th house is considered as bad, there might be some saving grace because of mars being shubha. The best upaya would be getting the ear pierced and wear a gold stud or wire for 96 hours at least. There can be quite a few alternative upaya.

Since we do not discuss upaya in this group, I will not go into them.> >> > Sun, mercury and Saturn in the 9th: In this case these planets will give their own effect and that too benefic. Because of the presence of the mercury, there will be no hostility between the sun and the Saturn. Yes, this combination will adversely affect the Jupiter and its significations. In that case the upaya for Jupiter will have to be done so that it is protected against any adverse effect of this combination in the 9th house.> >> > With respect and regards,> >> > Varun Trivedi> >> > , "S.C. Kursija" <sckursija@ ..> wrote:> > >> > > Respected Varun ji,> > > Thanks for the prompt reply and explanations. If you allow me I would like to put some more querey regarding Ketu Son, as the children are the result of

our prevous karma.> > > Ket is fiery and Tamsic being like Mars but shishya/deciple of Jupiter.> > > > > > Ketu in 8th is always malefic for the children, son. If there is son to the native, the native will always be worried about him. If the Ketu is with Mars and Venus in 8th, Ketu will be established, What Mars Venus and Rahu will do? and what should be the remedy when Sun, Mercury and Saturn are also in the 9th i.e. 2nd to Ketu the house of Takrar, maraka> > >> > > --- On Mon, 5/18/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ....> wrote:> > >> > >> > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...>> > > LK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy> > > > > > Monday, May 18, 2009, 8:52 AM> > >> > >> > >> > >>

> >> > >> > >> > >> > > Respected Kursija ji,> > >> > > The upaya discussed is for Ketu as such when afflicting the sun.> > >> > > If the Sun is in the 7th house while the Ketu is in the 1st house, then the sun would be afflicted by the rahu being in the 7th. In this case the upaya will have to be done for all the three; for ketu to restore the brilliance of the sun, for the sun to strengthen it, and for the rahu in the 7th.> > >> > > Yes, the Lal Kitab says that after the marriage there could be a possibility of Ketu going ‘manda’. In this situation the Saturn would automatically help, if not a saturn upaya will be helpful. To my mind the marriage establishes a Venus [ rahu + ketu ]. Therefore it is the establishing of the rahu component which could result in making the Ketu behave ‘manda’.> >

>> > > [ 2 ] If the Ketu is in the 5th house, the Jupiter should be well placed; and the planets inimical to Jupiter should not be in the adjacent houses or in the 12th house the house of conflict [ takrav]> > > When ketu is placed in the 5th with mercury and Jupiter in the 6th a parivartan takes place. Jupiter becomes malefic. Ketu in the company of mercury gets manda. In this situation even the placement of moon or/and sun in the adjacent houses may not be able to help. Jupiter in the 6th as such can cause the breathing trouble.> > >> > > When the planets inimical to Jupiter like venus, mercury etc are placed in 2,5,12 then the ‘grahasti sukh’ is likely to be adversely affected. The results of Ketu in the 5th especially the comfort from the sons is likely to be lessened. The 9th house has not been included because the 9th house is not only a pakka house of Jupiter, it also belongs to Jupiter

therefore less likely to harm Jupiter and consequently ketu. The 12 house has been included because it is in the 6-8 takrav position from the 5th. The book advises to gift the karak objects of moon and mars to get over this situation.> > >> > > With respect and regards> > >> > > Varun Trivedi> > >> > > , "S.C. Kursija" <sckursija@ ..> wrote:> > > >> > > > Respected Varun ji,> > > >> > > > Thanks for the explanation of ketu remedy in the first house.. But If the Sun is posited in 7th house, does the same remedy will work?> > > > > > > > It is said that Ketu in first becomes bad after marriage.> > > > > > > > 2) The Ketu in the 5th house is not considered bad as 5th is the house of his

Guru. The condition is that Jupiter, Moon or Sun should be in 4th, 6th or 12th house, Why? Particularly Jupiter should be in good condition i.e. strong. Venus is posited 4th and Saturn ib 9th house ?> > > > > > > > If Ketu in 5th is posited with Mercury, Moon in 4th and Sun in 6th.and other planets in 6th i.e. Jupiter in 6th, (ketu) will suffer? Why it gives the disease of breathe? It is said that if Venus, Mercury or Saturn posxited in 2nd, 5th or 12th, the pakka house of Jupiter, the native will not have happiness from his children Why 9th house has not been taken? Its remedy.> > > >> > > > Regards> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > --- On Sun, 5/17/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> wrote:>

> > >> > > >> > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...>> > > > LK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy> > > > > > > > Sunday, May 17, 2009, 11:39 AM> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Respected Sivraman ji,> > > > > > > > Lal Kitab says:> > > > > > > > “ravi ko gar vah madhyam kare to graham chandra ko karata haiâ€> > > > > > > >

[ 1942 urdu ed ; page 230]> > > > > > > > When the Sun is afflicted by Ketu and as a consequence gets dim [ madhyam] and therefore loses its brilliance/warmth then the upaya, to keep a round iron goli painted dull red, is advised. The nishaniyan of such an affliction could be a conflict with the State, problems in Government job, blood pressure, erratic heart beat, etc.> > > > > > > > The sun doesn’t have its brilliance/warmth in the early morning or when setting in the evening. The indicator is the ‘lalami’ [redness]. Therefore an upaya has to be done to separate this redness from the sun so that its brilliance/warmth is restored. ‘lalami’ is related to

Mars.> > > > > > > > The help of mercury too will have to be taken so that the ‘chaal and buniyad’ of the planets could be corrected.> > > > > > > > It is the shrewdness of the Saturn which can help achieve it. The saturn would act as a catalyst to separate the 'lalami' [mars] from the Sun. Therefore the help of Saturn too will be needed.> > > > > > > > Summarizing, the help of three planets i.e. Saturn, mercury and the mars will have to be sought.> > > > > > > > Therefore the upaya suggests to keep an iron [ saturn] goli [mercury] painted dull red [mars]> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , "lshivraman" <lshivraman@ ..> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > >> > > > > It is advised that one should keep an iron goli painted red if he has Ketu in the first house. Sir how is a red iron goli related to Ketu? Will be grateful if you could explain. Thanking you in advance. Sincerely,Shivraman> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

 

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Respected Goel Saheb,

You are absolutely right when you said:

"Whatever indication given by lalkitab do come true but they are not quite comphrensive. For detailed indications one has to fall back on Horashastra."

We, the Aligarh group of Lal Kitab very strongly believe that unless one is well versed in traditional Vedic astrology, he at the most will stay a Lal Kitab semi-literate.

With respect and regards,

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote:>> Dear Friends,> As per my understanding , Lalkitab indicates major events in the life of native.> In case evil results are expected , some remidial majors are indicated> which were easy to perform in village type of economy.> As big cities are growing , it is not possible to perform some remedies in> convinient manner.> Whatever indication given by lalkitab do come true but they are not quite comphrensive.> > For detailed indications one has to fall back on Horashastra.> > If we wish to access the educational and professional back ground of the native's son .> we must consider D-1,D-9,D-10 and D-24 charts of the son of the lady.> The son did CA after copleting his graduation from sciense stream.He was> bright student. Now a days he is marketing accounding software which is his> own development. Birth details are with you and rest of the results may be accessed from his nativity.> Regards,> G.K.GOEL> Ph: 09350311433> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR> NEW DELHI-110 076> INDIA> > > > > ________________________________> S.C. Kursija sckursija > Tuesday, 19 May, 2009 7:21:11 PM> LK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy> > > > > > Respected Goel ji,> Thanks for the chart. I shall like to know the status of the profession and education of the son of the native.> Regards> > --- On Tue, 5/19/09, Gopal Goel gkgoel1937 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:> > > Gopal Goel gkgoel1937 (AT) (DOT) co.in>> LK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy> > Cc: astrologyandremedie s > Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 12:50 PM> > > Dear Varun ji.> A female was born on Nov15, 1942 at 10.05 PM IST (not war time) Aligarh UP> She has Ketu in 8H and Mercury in 4H,(Adrishya half).> She was blessed with son on Feb7,1964 at 13. 57 hrs at Kanpur in her 22th year of age> Her son is healthy and earning well.> Lalkitab dictum is working very well.> I find dictum of lalkitab are infallible.> Regards,> G.K.GOEL> Ph: 09350311433> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR> NEW DELHI-110 076> INDIA> > > > > ________________________________> varun_trvd varun_trvd (AT) (DOT) co.in>> > Tuesday, 19 May, 2009 11:49:17 AM> LK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy> > > Respected Kursija ji,> > Sir, you are most welcome to seek clarifications on the Lal Kitab concepts and principles. I will always try to answer to the best of my ability.> > With Respect and regards,> > Varun Trivedi> > , "S.C. Kursija" sckursija@ ..> wrote:> >> > Respected Varun Ji,> >> > Thanks for bearing me and your patience to reply.> >> > Regards> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > --- On Tue, 5/19/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> wrote:> >> >> > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...>> > LK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy> > > > Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 12:02 AM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Respected Kursija ji,> >> > In Lal Kitab janma kundali also it is not possible for venus to be in opposition to mercury. It is only in a varsh phal kundali that venus can be 7 houses apart from mercury or the sun. You would be aware that the Lal Kitab varsh kundali is not based on Varsh pravesh, instead it is based on the planetary positions laid down for each year according to the houses they occupy in the janma kundali. Venus can also be 7 houses apart from mercury in a Janma kundali prepared with the help of palmistry.> >> > In order to understand the nature of mercury you may have to go to the Lal Kitab itself. When I said that the ‘chal and buniyad’ is to be corrected and ‘It is the shrewdness of the Saturn which can help achieve it’ ; or when I talked of ‘lalami’ I was referring to lines 7-19 of page 233 of 1942 urdu ed of the book. In order to understand the entire context you have to go through that passage. The explanation was not forced as you seem to believe. I will never force an explanation; I consider it academically unethical. I always keep close to the spirit of the book.> >> > No, I did not forget the Ketu in 8th dictum ‘bachchon ki muhabbat ke gam mein…’, I had quoted it myself in my previous answer.> >> > Whether the combination of mars + ketu or mars + venus would be good or bad will depend on the nature of Mars. Since the sun and mercury are together, mars should act benefic. Yes mercury alone in the 9th is ‘kodhi’ but the results get modified when with the sun.> >> > For Mars in the 8th house, though in its pakka ghar, the Lal Kitab suggests upaya for it. Had mars been non-remediable the book would not have suggested the upaya for it.> >> > No, you have not commented wrongly. As a matter of fact I love such discussions. These discussions help us keep abreast with the book and make us think.> >> > I welcome your inquisitiveness. I hope that you will continue posting such queries in the future also.> >> > With respect and regards,> >> > Varun Trivedi> >> > , "S.C. Kursija" <sckursija@ ..> wrote:> > >> > > Respected Sh Varun ji,> > > Thanks for sparing your valuable time for my query. But I am sorry to write that being follower of Parashar system, I am not able to understand Mercury of Laal Kitab. In Laal Kitab Mercury can be in opposition to Venus which is not possible in Astronomy.. Mercury+Ketu, Mercury+Venus in "Muthi Bandha ke gharo me" Mercury_Jupiter, Mercury+Mars are malefic in laal Kitab irrespective of any house. While discussing remedy for Sun+Ketu, "lal goli of iron" you wrote that for Mercury> > > the ‘chaal and buniyad’ of the planets could be corrected." How a planet which gives the results of his conjunct ed planet can correct the Chaal and Buniyad of other planet.> > > More over why is the necessity of Saturn iron to separated the Lalima of Sun? Sun and Mars are friend, Sun is karaka and other is lord of the house. Both will go hand in hand. How one can enter political field with out the courage of Mars, lalima? The explanation apprears to be forced.> > > Ketu in 8th you forget the dictu m of laal Kitab “ bachchon ki muhabbat ke gam mein chhat par rone wala kuttaâ€. The combination of Ketu and Mars and Venus and Mars in 8th be beneficial? Mercury in the 9th house is Kodi when with other planets Mars in 8the is in his pakka house. Can we change the nature of the planet in his pakka ghara.> > > I have little knowledge of Laal Kitab, You are the master. I beg apology if I have commented wrongly.> > > regards.> > > --- On Mon, 5/18/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> wrote:> > >> > >> > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...>> > > LK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy> > > @.. com> > > Monday, May 18, 2009, 5:51 PM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Respected Kursija ji,> > >> > > Ketu placed in the 8th house will not be malefic for progeny per se unless it is afflicted. Ketu in the 8th has been described as “ bachchon ki muhabbat ke gam mein chhat par rone wala kuttaâ€. I am aware of the dictum that ketu is kujvat and Rahu shanivat.> > >> > > Yes, it can delay progeny depending on where the mercury is placed. If mercury is placed in the adrashta ardha [ house 1 to 6 ] then the jatak is likely to beget a son before the age 34 years and such a son is long lived. If the mercury is placed in the drashta ardha [ house 7 to 12] then the birth of a son might get delayed and be born after the age of 34 years. If the Ketu in the 8th is slightly afflicted and the mercury is placed in the drashta ardha then the sonmight be born even around 45 -48 years.> > >> > > Mars, venus and ketu in the 8th house; with the sun, mercury and Saturn in the 9th: In this combination Mars becomes shubh because the sun and the mercury are together. Therefore the combination basically becomes shubh mars + Venus + ketu. Although the Mars + ketu combination in the 8th house is considered as bad, there might be some saving grace because of mars being shubha. The best upaya would be getting the ear pierced and wear a gold stud or wire for 96 hours at least. There can be quite a few alternative upaya. Since we do not discuss upaya in this group, I will not go into them.> > >> > > Sun, mercury and Saturn in the 9th: In this case these planets will give their own effect and that too benefic. Because of the presence of the mercury, there will be no hostility between the sun and the Saturn. Yes, this combination will adversely affect the Jupiter and its significations. In that case the upaya for Jupiter will have to be done so that it is protected against any adverse effect of this combination in the 9th house.> > >> > > With respect and regards,> > >> > > Varun Trivedi> > >> > > , "S.C. Kursija" <sckursija@ ..> wrote:> > > >> > > > Respected Varun ji,> > > > Thanks for the prompt reply and explanations. If you allow me I would like to put some more querey regarding Ketu Son, as the children are the result of our prevous karma.> > > > Ket is fiery and Tamsic being like Mars but shishya/deciple of Jupiter.> > > > > > > > Ketu in 8th is always malefic for the children, son. If there is son to the native, the native will always be worried about him. If the Ketu is with Mars and Venus in 8th, Ketu will be established, What Mars Venus and Rahu will do? and what should be the remedy when Sun, Mercury and Saturn are also in the 9th i.e. 2nd to Ketu the house of Takrar, maraka> > > >> > > > --- On Mon, 5/18/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...>> > > > LK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy> > > > > > > > Monday, May 18, 2009, 8:52 AM> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Respected Kursija ji,> > > >> > > > The upaya discussed is for Ketu as such when afflicting the sun.> > > >> > > > If the Sun is in the 7th house while the Ketu is in the 1st house, then the sun would be afflicted by the rahu being in the 7th. In this case the upaya will have to be done for all the three; for ketu to restore the brilliance of the sun, for the sun to strengthen it, and for the rahu in the 7th.> > > >> > > > Yes, the Lal Kitab says that after the marriage there could be a possibility of Ketu going ‘manda’. In this situation the Saturn would automatically help, if not a saturn upaya will be helpful. To my mind the marriage establishes a Venus [ rahu + ketu ]. Therefore it is the establishing of the rahu component which could result in making the Ketu behave ‘manda’.> > > >> > > > [ 2 ] If the Ketu is in the 5th house, the Jupiter should be well placed; and the planets inimical to Jupiter should not be in the adjacent houses or in the 12th house the house of conflict [ takrav]> > > > When ketu is placed in the 5th with mercury and Jupiter in the 6th a parivartan takes place. Jupiter becomes malefic. Ketu in the company of mercury gets manda. In this situation even the placement of moon or/and sun in the adjacent houses may not be able to help. Jupiter in the 6th as such can cause the breathing trouble.> > > >> > > > When the planets inimical to Jupiter like venus, mercury etc are placed in 2,5,12 then the ‘grahasti sukh’ is likely to be adversely affected. The results of Ketu in the 5th especially the comfort from the sons is likely to be lessened. The 9th house has not been included because the 9th house is not only a pakka house of Jupiter, it also belongs to Jupiter therefore less likely to harm Jupiter and consequently ketu. The 12 house has been included because it is in the 6-8 takrav position from the 5th. The book advises to gift the karak objects of moon and mars to get over this situation.> > > >> > > > With respect and regards> > > >> > > > Varun Trivedi> > > >> > > > , "S.C. Kursija" <sckursija@ ..> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Respected Varun ji,> > > > >> > > > > Thanks for the explanation of ketu remedy in the first house.. But If the Sun is posited in 7th house, does the same remedy will work?> > > > > > > > > > It is said that Ketu in first becomes bad after marriage.> > > > > > > > > > 2) The Ketu in the 5th house is not considered bad as 5th is the house of his Guru. The condition is that Jupiter, Moon or Sun should be in 4th, 6th or 12th house, Why? Particularly Jupiter should be in good condition i.e. strong. Venus is posited 4th and Saturn ib 9th house ?> > > > > > > > > > If Ketu in 5th is posited with Mercury, Moon in 4th and Sun in 6th.and other planets in 6th i.e. Jupiter in 6th, (ketu) will suffer? Why it gives the disease of breathe? It is said that if Venus, Mercury or Saturn posxited in 2nd, 5th or 12th, the pakka house of Jupiter, the native will not have happiness from his children Why 9th house has not been taken? Its remedy.> > > > >> > > > > Regards> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > --- On Sun, 5/17/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...>> > > > > LK discussion group Re: Ketu remedy> > > > > > > > > > Sunday, May 17, 2009, 11:39 AM> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Respected Sivraman ji,> > > > > > > > > > Lal Kitab says:> > > > > > > > > > “ravi ko gar vah madhyam kare to graham chandra ko karata haiâ€> > > > > > > > > > [ 1942 urdu ed ; page 230]> > > > > > > > > > When the Sun is afflicted by Ketu and as a consequence gets dim [ madhyam] and therefore loses its brilliance/warmth then the upaya, to keep a round iron goli painted dull red, is advised. The nishaniyan of such an affliction could be a conflict with the State, problems in Government job, blood pressure, erratic heart beat, etc.> > > > > > > > > > The sun doesn’t have its brilliance/warmth in the early morning or when setting in the evening. The indicator is the ‘lalami’ [redness]. Therefore an upaya has to be done to separate this redness from the sun so that its brilliance/warmth is restored. ‘lalami’ is related to Mars.> > > > > > > > > > The help of mercury too will have to be taken so that the ‘chaal and buniyad’ of the planets could be corrected.> > > > > > > > > > It is the shrewdness of the Saturn which can help achieve it. The saturn would act as a catalyst to separate the 'lalami' [mars] from the Sun. Therefore the help of Saturn too will be needed.> > > > > > > > > > Summarizing, the help of three planets i.e. Saturn, mercury and the mars will have to be sought.> > > > > > > > > > Therefore the upaya suggests to keep an iron [ saturn] goli [mercury] painted dull red [mars]> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "lshivraman" <lshivraman@ ..> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sir,> > > > > >> > > > > > It is advised that one should keep an iron goli painted red if he has Ketu in the first house. Sir how is a red iron goli related to Ketu? Will be grateful if you could explain. Thanking you in advance. Sincerely,Shivraman> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > ________________________________> Own a website.Get an unlimited package.Pay next to nothing.*Click here!.> > > > > Explore your hobbies and interests. Go to http://in.promos./groups/>