Guest guest Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 Varun ji, i came across a news item in today's " the tribune " it says that a dhuna was got started by a saint at fort Qilla Mubarak from the founder of Patiala Royal dynasty with instructions that till the time it is kept alive the dynasty will survive. It has been kept alive/ smouldering continously for over 257 years. The peculiar thing about this is that only DHAK wood is used in it. The quantity used daily is between 4-5 quintals . Can this have an explanation with referrence to lalkitab. Only dhak wood is used and smoke emits out all day and night. Don't know what they do to the ash. Regards. Kulbir. On 7/7/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: > Guruji, thanks for explaining. Now all doubts are cleared regarding > finding out dhoke ka grah. Regards. Kulbir. > > On 7/7/09, < wrote: >> Dear Jain ji, >> >> The instructions to place the sun on top of the same year column [ dhoke >> ke >> grah table] as is placed in the kundali house amounts to the same as >> instructing to place the sun on top of the year column when it reaches >> the >> first house. >> >> Sun reaches the first house in the Varsh Phal kundali in the same year as >> it >> is placed in the janma kundali house except when it is placed in the 6th >> house and the 9th house. The 6th house sun reaches the 1st house of varsh >> phal kundali in the 9th year and the 9th house sun reaches in the 6th >> year. >> For this an extra instruction is given which is there in the Arun sanhita >> page 42 [top]. >> >> The instructions for the sun placed in the 7th house of the janma kundali >> are that it will be written on top of the same year column i.e. 7th year >> except when the 1st house is vacant; in that case it will be written on >> top >> of the 5th year column. >> >> God bless you >> >> Bhooshan Priya >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> , " mpj571 " <mpj571 wrote: >>> >>> Very respected Bhooshan ji, >>> >>> Thank you sir for your encouragement. I had missed the instructions for >>> the sun in the 7th house though the Arun Sanhita gives it. Sir, the book >>> says that place the sun on top of the same line where the sun is placed >>> in >>> the janma kundali except for the 6th sun and the 9th sun. It does not >>> say >>> that place the sun on the top the year it goes to the 1st house. With >>> great respect. >>> >>> MP Jain >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> , " " >>> <@> wrote: >>> > >>> > Dear Jain ji, >>> > >>> > I appreciate your effort. It is really very touching to see you make >>> > an >>> > effort where others preferred to keep quite. >>> > >>> > You missed the condition for the Sun laid down in the 1952 ed.and that >>> > is why you got a wrong dhoke ka grah. >>> > >>> > Shri Vipin Shukla ji is right. The dhoke ka grah for the 44th year of >>> > the example kundali at the end of the 1942 edition will be MARS. >>> > >>> > Keep your inquisitive spirits high. >>> > >>> > God bless you, >>> > >>> > Bhooshan Priya >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > , " mpj571 " <mpj571@> wrote: >>> > > >>> > > Sirs, >>> > > >>> > > According to my calculation the dhoke ka grah for the 44th year >>> > > should >>> > > be the MOON. >>> > > >>> > > In the Janma Kundali the Sun is in the 7th house. It reaches the >>> > > throne in the 7th year. Therefore if the sun is written on top of >>> > > the >>> > > 7th year and the sequence of dhoke ke grah completed then the MOON >>> > > will emerge as the dhoke ka grah for the 44th year.Therefore it >>> > > should >>> > > be moon in place of venus as printed in the book. >>> > > >>> > > Others may also verify this. >>> > > >>> > > Respectfully, >>> > > >>> > > MP Jain >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > , " lalkitabee " >>> > > <lalkitabee@> >>> > > wrote: >>> > > > >>> > > > Res learned members >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > Before discussing the " Mukammal kundali " in detail as Kulbir Ji >>> > > > has >>> > > > desired, I would like to point out what appears to be a printing >>> > > > mistake in the original book. I have a doubt about MUKAMMAL >>> > > > KUNDALI,I think there shud be a correction in original Lalkitab >>> > > > 1942 >>> > > > edition at page no.384. >>> > > > >>> > > > There Pujya Pandit Ji mentioned venus as " DHOKEY KA GRAH " in khana >>> > > > 10 of MUKAMMAL KUNDALI.. But as per the system of " DHOKEY KA GRAH " >>> > > > ,I found that it shud be Mars not Venus. >>> > > > >>> > > > Please share ur views about this.Specially I invite Mr.Varun Ji, >>> > > > Umesh Ji,Bhatia ji ,Yograj Ji,Kondal Ji & Kulbir Ji & Mr. >>> > > > Wandahl.It >>> > > > is request from me to spare some time from daily life of own of >>> > > > all >>> > > > of u. >>> > > > >>> > > > Once it is settled whether there is a mistake or not,then I can >>> > > > proceed with the discussion. >>> > > > >>> > > > With Regards >>> > > > >>> > > > Pt.Lalkitabee >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > V.Shukla >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > >>> >> >> >> > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > -- Sent from my mobile device Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 Dear Kulbir bhai, When the yaggopavit [ janeu ] ceremony is done, the new initiate is given a dand [ stick ] of dhak wood. With this dand the new initiate acts out as if he is going to gurukul for studies. The initiate goes out of the village, where his mother persuades him to come back home. The dhak dand [ stick ] being given to a new initiate going to a gurukul is significant. To my mind this represents Mercury, an initiation into the worldly ways. Lal Kitab also suggests that dhak signifies Mercury. Mercury is made up of Jupiter + rahu. If the rahu [smoke] is eliminated then what remains behind is Jupiter. Thus burning dhak wood could amount to establishing Jupiter extracted from mercury. Quite possible that the saint, who advised this ritual, knew that the mercury is badly placed in the horoscope of the kingdom. [ yes, a kingdom also has a horoscope as do nations.] Therefore the saint suggested this ritual. That could be one explanation. If the dhak wood is taken to represent mercury [ dhak] + Saturn [ wood] then also after Rahu is disassociated from mercury , the final residual is Jupiter + Saturn, which again is not a bad combination. That could be another explanation. Other experts may also comment. Have a nice day, Varun Trivedi , kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: > > Varun ji, i came across a news item in today's " the tribune " it says > that a dhuna was got started by a saint at fort Qilla Mubarak from > the founder of Patiala Royal dynasty with instructions that till the > time it is kept alive the dynasty will survive. It has been kept > alive/ smouldering continously for over 257 years. The peculiar thing > about this is that only DHAK wood is used in it. The quantity used > daily is between 4-5 quintals . Can this have an explanation with > referrence to lalkitab. Only dhak wood is used and smoke emits out all > day and night. Don't know what they do to the ash. Regards. Kulbir. > > On 7/7/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: > > Guruji, thanks for explaining. Now all doubts are cleared regarding > > finding out dhoke ka grah. Regards. Kulbir. > > > > On 7/7/09, < wrote: > >> Dear Jain ji, > >> > >> The instructions to place the sun on top of the same year column [ dhoke > >> ke > >> grah table] as is placed in the kundali house amounts to the same as > >> instructing to place the sun on top of the year column when it reaches > >> the > >> first house. > >> > >> Sun reaches the first house in the Varsh Phal kundali in the same year as > >> it > >> is placed in the janma kundali house except when it is placed in the 6th > >> house and the 9th house. The 6th house sun reaches the 1st house of varsh > >> phal kundali in the 9th year and the 9th house sun reaches in the 6th > >> year. > >> For this an extra instruction is given which is there in the Arun sanhita > >> page 42 [top]. > >> > >> The instructions for the sun placed in the 7th house of the janma kundali > >> are that it will be written on top of the same year column i.e. 7th year > >> except when the 1st house is vacant; in that case it will be written on > >> top > >> of the 5th year column. > >> > >> God bless you > >> > >> Bhooshan Priya > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> , " mpj571 " <mpj571@> wrote: > >>> > >>> Very respected Bhooshan ji, > >>> > >>> Thank you sir for your encouragement. I had missed the instructions for > >>> the sun in the 7th house though the Arun Sanhita gives it. Sir, the book > >>> says that place the sun on top of the same line where the sun is placed > >>> in > >>> the janma kundali except for the 6th sun and the 9th sun. It does not > >>> say > >>> that place the sun on the top the year it goes to the 1st house. With > >>> great respect. > >>> > >>> MP Jain > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> , " " > >>> <@> wrote: > >>> > > >>> > Dear Jain ji, > >>> > > >>> > I appreciate your effort. It is really very touching to see you make > >>> > an > >>> > effort where others preferred to keep quite. > >>> > > >>> > You missed the condition for the Sun laid down in the 1952 ed.and that > >>> > is why you got a wrong dhoke ka grah. > >>> > > >>> > Shri Vipin Shukla ji is right. The dhoke ka grah for the 44th year of > >>> > the example kundali at the end of the 1942 edition will be MARS. > >>> > > >>> > Keep your inquisitive spirits high. > >>> > > >>> > God bless you, > >>> > > >>> > Bhooshan Priya > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > , " mpj571 " <mpj571@> wrote: > >>> > > > >>> > > Sirs, > >>> > > > >>> > > According to my calculation the dhoke ka grah for the 44th year > >>> > > should > >>> > > be the MOON. > >>> > > > >>> > > In the Janma Kundali the Sun is in the 7th house. It reaches the > >>> > > throne in the 7th year. Therefore if the sun is written on top of > >>> > > the > >>> > > 7th year and the sequence of dhoke ke grah completed then the MOON > >>> > > will emerge as the dhoke ka grah for the 44th year.Therefore it > >>> > > should > >>> > > be moon in place of venus as printed in the book. > >>> > > > >>> > > Others may also verify this. > >>> > > > >>> > > Respectfully, > >>> > > > >>> > > MP Jain > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > , " lalkitabee " > >>> > > <lalkitabee@> > >>> > > wrote: > >>> > > > > >>> > > > Res learned members > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > Before discussing the " Mukammal kundali " in detail as Kulbir Ji > >>> > > > has > >>> > > > desired, I would like to point out what appears to be a printing > >>> > > > mistake in the original book. I have a doubt about MUKAMMAL > >>> > > > KUNDALI,I think there shud be a correction in original Lalkitab > >>> > > > 1942 > >>> > > > edition at page no.384. > >>> > > > > >>> > > > There Pujya Pandit Ji mentioned venus as " DHOKEY KA GRAH " in khana > >>> > > > 10 of MUKAMMAL KUNDALI.. But as per the system of " DHOKEY KA GRAH " > >>> > > > ,I found that it shud be Mars not Venus. > >>> > > > > >>> > > > Please share ur views about this.Specially I invite Mr.Varun Ji, > >>> > > > Umesh Ji,Bhatia ji ,Yograj Ji,Kondal Ji & Kulbir Ji & Mr. > >>> > > > Wandahl.It > >>> > > > is request from me to spare some time from daily life of own of > >>> > > > all > >>> > > > of u. > >>> > > > > >>> > > > Once it is settled whether there is a mistake or not,then I can > >>> > > > proceed with the discussion. > >>> > > > > >>> > > > With Regards > >>> > > > > >>> > > > Pt.Lalkitabee > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > V.Shukla > >>> > > > > >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > -- > > Sent from my mobile device > > > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 Varun ji, Thanks for the explanation, it seems logical. I collected some additional information. The dhuna is not build in ground floor. So there could be a mechanism that the ash drops down through something like jaali. Respect and regards. Kulbir. On 7/9/09, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > When the yaggopavit [ janeu ] ceremony is done, the new initiate is given a > dand [ stick ] of dhak wood. With this dand the new initiate acts out as if > he is going to gurukul for studies. The initiate goes out of the village, > where his mother persuades him to come back home. > > The dhak dand [ stick ] being given to a new initiate going to a gurukul is > significant. To my mind this represents Mercury, an initiation into the > worldly ways. > > Lal Kitab also suggests that dhak signifies Mercury. > > Mercury is made up of Jupiter + rahu. If the rahu [smoke] is eliminated then > what remains behind is Jupiter. Thus burning dhak wood could amount to > establishing Jupiter extracted from mercury. > > Quite possible that the saint, who advised this ritual, knew that the > mercury is badly placed in the horoscope of the kingdom. [ yes, a kingdom > also has a horoscope as do nations.] Therefore the saint suggested this > ritual. That could be one explanation. > > If the dhak wood is taken to represent mercury [ dhak] + Saturn [ wood] then > also after Rahu is disassociated from mercury , the final residual is > Jupiter + Saturn, which again is not a bad combination. That could be > another explanation. > > Other experts may also comment. > > Have a nice day, > > Varun Trivedi > > > > , kulbir bance <kulbirbance > wrote: >> >> Varun ji, i came across a news item in today's " the tribune " it says >> that a dhuna was got started by a saint at fort Qilla Mubarak from >> the founder of Patiala Royal dynasty with instructions that till the >> time it is kept alive the dynasty will survive. It has been kept >> alive/ smouldering continously for over 257 years. The peculiar thing >> about this is that only DHAK wood is used in it. The quantity used >> daily is between 4-5 quintals . Can this have an explanation with >> referrence to lalkitab. Only dhak wood is used and smoke emits out all >> day and night. Don't know what they do to the ash. Regards. Kulbir. >> >> On 7/7/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: >> > Guruji, thanks for explaining. Now all doubts are cleared regarding >> > finding out dhoke ka grah. Regards. Kulbir. >> > >> > On 7/7/09, < wrote: >> >> Dear Jain ji, >> >> >> >> The instructions to place the sun on top of the same year column [ >> >> dhoke >> >> ke >> >> grah table] as is placed in the kundali house amounts to the same as >> >> instructing to place the sun on top of the year column when it reaches >> >> the >> >> first house. >> >> >> >> Sun reaches the first house in the Varsh Phal kundali in the same year >> >> as >> >> it >> >> is placed in the janma kundali house except when it is placed in the >> >> 6th >> >> house and the 9th house. The 6th house sun reaches the 1st house of >> >> varsh >> >> phal kundali in the 9th year and the 9th house sun reaches in the 6th >> >> year. >> >> For this an extra instruction is given which is there in the Arun >> >> sanhita >> >> page 42 [top]. >> >> >> >> The instructions for the sun placed in the 7th house of the janma >> >> kundali >> >> are that it will be written on top of the same year column i.e. 7th >> >> year >> >> except when the 1st house is vacant; in that case it will be written on >> >> top >> >> of the 5th year column. >> >> >> >> God bless you >> >> >> >> Bhooshan Priya >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> , " mpj571 " <mpj571@> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Very respected Bhooshan ji, >> >>> >> >>> Thank you sir for your encouragement. I had missed the instructions >> >>> for >> >>> the sun in the 7th house though the Arun Sanhita gives it. Sir, the >> >>> book >> >>> says that place the sun on top of the same line where the sun is >> >>> placed >> >>> in >> >>> the janma kundali except for the 6th sun and the 9th sun. It does not >> >>> say >> >>> that place the sun on the top the year it goes to the 1st house. With >> >>> great respect. >> >>> >> >>> MP Jain >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> , " " >> >>> <@> wrote: >> >>> > >> >>> > Dear Jain ji, >> >>> > >> >>> > I appreciate your effort. It is really very touching to see you make >> >>> > an >> >>> > effort where others preferred to keep quite. >> >>> > >> >>> > You missed the condition for the Sun laid down in the 1952 ed.and >> >>> > that >> >>> > is why you got a wrong dhoke ka grah. >> >>> > >> >>> > Shri Vipin Shukla ji is right. The dhoke ka grah for the 44th year >> >>> > of >> >>> > the example kundali at the end of the 1942 edition will be MARS. >> >>> > >> >>> > Keep your inquisitive spirits high. >> >>> > >> >>> > God bless you, >> >>> > >> >>> > Bhooshan Priya >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > , " mpj571 " <mpj571@> >> >>> > wrote: >> >>> > > >> >>> > > Sirs, >> >>> > > >> >>> > > According to my calculation the dhoke ka grah for the 44th year >> >>> > > should >> >>> > > be the MOON. >> >>> > > >> >>> > > In the Janma Kundali the Sun is in the 7th house. It reaches the >> >>> > > throne in the 7th year. Therefore if the sun is written on top of >> >>> > > the >> >>> > > 7th year and the sequence of dhoke ke grah completed then the MOON >> >>> > > will emerge as the dhoke ka grah for the 44th year.Therefore it >> >>> > > should >> >>> > > be moon in place of venus as printed in the book. >> >>> > > >> >>> > > Others may also verify this. >> >>> > > >> >>> > > Respectfully, >> >>> > > >> >>> > > MP Jain >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > , " lalkitabee " >> >>> > > <lalkitabee@> >> >>> > > wrote: >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > Res learned members >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > Before discussing the " Mukammal kundali " in detail as Kulbir Ji >> >>> > > > has >> >>> > > > desired, I would like to point out what appears to be a printing >> >>> > > > mistake in the original book. I have a doubt about MUKAMMAL >> >>> > > > KUNDALI,I think there shud be a correction in original Lalkitab >> >>> > > > 1942 >> >>> > > > edition at page no.384. >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > There Pujya Pandit Ji mentioned venus as " DHOKEY KA GRAH " in >> >>> > > > khana >> >>> > > > 10 of MUKAMMAL KUNDALI.. But as per the system of " DHOKEY KA >> >>> > > > GRAH " >> >>> > > > ,I found that it shud be Mars not Venus. >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > Please share ur views about this.Specially I invite Mr.Varun Ji, >> >>> > > > Umesh Ji,Bhatia ji ,Yograj Ji,Kondal Ji & Kulbir Ji & Mr. >> >>> > > > Wandahl.It >> >>> > > > is request from me to spare some time from daily life of own of >> >>> > > > all >> >>> > > > of u. >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > Once it is settled whether there is a mistake or not,then I can >> >>> > > > proceed with the discussion. >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > With Regards >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > Pt.Lalkitabee >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > > V.Shukla >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > -- >> > Sent from my mobile device >> > >> >> -- >> Sent from my mobile device >> > > > -- Sent from my mobile device Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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