Guest guest Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 Res Mr. Jain Im also aware about that tables at Page no. 72 & 73 of 1942 edition under headings DHOKEY KA 12 SAALAA CHAKKAR & AAM UMRA MAIN DHOKEY KA 12 SAALAA CHAKKAR.But I collected whole information from five editions & as result found the dhokey ka grah shud be Mars in that AKHIRI KUNDALI. Some of so called experts are sticky about "DHOKEY KA GRAH" & saying - "A perfectionist like Pundit ji cannot commit such mistake."For those people Im revealing another mistake in same AKHIRI KUNDALI of Original Book. According to the rules of making AKHIRI KUNDALI at page no 384 of 1942 edition,the SUN & MERCURY aren't placed in khana No. 7. As per rule both planets shud have been there.Bcoz there has been written a rule in 1942 -EDITION AT PAGE NO. 384- PEHLEY GHARON MAIN VARSHFAL KE GRAH AUR BAAD KE GHARON MAIN JANAM KUNDALI KE GRAH AUR US KUNDALI KE NO.10 MAIN DHOKEY KA GRAH LIKHENGEY.If we follow this rule there is a crystal-clear mistake in original lalkitab about KHANA NO. 7 also. Now what will be the opinion of them who declare that "A perfectionist like Pundit ji cannot commit such mistake. U also can imagine their devotion for research in this subject. Main bhi sweekar kartaa hun ki Pandit ji aisi galati kabhi nahi kar saktey, lekin jabki mujhe yah maloom hai ki is kitaab ka kaam QATIB kar rahey they ,to galati honey ki gunjayish bhi ho jaati hai. " Bus yahi baat samajhne ka fark hai. Agar fir bhi koyee aalim AKHIRI KUNDALI main khaali khana - 7 ko theek mantaa hai to bara-e-meharaani ise kisi tarikey se theek saabit to karo.Agar main galat saabit hotaa hun to publically maafi maangne main mujhe koyee aitraaj nahi hogaa.Varnaa is galati ki hee tarah Dhokey ka grah bhi to misprint ka natijaa ho saktaa hai. Otherwise not accepting mistake is a solo soliloquy as - OX GIVES MILK. With regardsPt.LalkitabeeV.ShuklaMb.- 9812020001 , "mpj571" <mpj571 wrote:>> Dear Vipin Shukla ji,> > You had pointed out that the dhoke ka grah in faisala kundali has been written wrong. Some readers in another group do not find your statement as correct. They claim that a meticulous person like Pandit ji could not have made any mistake. Therefore the dhoke ka grah venus has been written correctly. I think you should set this controversy right for all time to come so that we know finally which is the dhoke ka grah in the faisala kundali for the 44th year. Thanking you in advance,> > MP Jain> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Dear Vipin Shukla ji, You have silenced your critics in just one stroke. Not incorporating the sun and mercury in the 7th house of the faisala kundali is a blatant mistake which can not be justified. Sir, you must be a busy man, therefore I hesitate asking you but if you could give the logical explanation as to how you arrived at Mars as the dhoke ka grah in the faisala kundali. You can respond to this request at your convenience. Respectfully, MP Jain , " lalkitabee " <lalkitabee wrote: > > Res Mr. Jain Im also aware about that tables at Page no. 72 & 73 of > 1942 edition under headings DHOKEY KA 12 SAALAA CHAKKAR & AAM UMRA MAIN > DHOKEY KA 12 SAALAA CHAKKAR.But I collected whole information from five > editions & as result found the dhokey ka grah shud be Mars in that > AKHIRI KUNDALI. Some of so called experts are sticky about " DHOKEY KA > GRAH " & saying - " A perfectionist like Pundit ji cannot commit such > mistake. " For those people Im revealing another mistake in same AKHIRI > KUNDALI of Original Book. According to the rules of making AKHIRI > KUNDALI at page no 384 of 1942 edition,the SUN & MERCURY aren't > placed in khana No. 7. As per rule both planets shud have been > there.Bcoz there has been written a rule in 1942 -EDITION AT PAGE NO. > 384- PEHLEY GHARON MAIN VARSHFAL KE GRAH AUR BAAD KE GHARON MAIN JANAM > KUNDALI KE GRAH AUR US KUNDALI KE NO.10 MAIN DHOKEY KA GRAH LIKHENGEY.If > we follow this rule there is a crystal-clear mistake in original > lalkitab about KHANA NO. 7 also. Now what will be the opinion of them > who declare that " A perfectionist like Pundit ji cannot commit such > mistake. U also can imagine their devotion for research in this > subject. Main bhi sweekar kartaa hun ki Pandit ji aisi galati kabhi nahi > kar saktey, lekin jabki mujhe yah maloom hai ki is kitaab ka kaam QATIB > kar rahey they ,to galati honey ki gunjayish bhi ho jaati hai. " Bus > yahi baat samajhne ka fark hai. Agar fir bhi koyee aalim AKHIRI > KUNDALI main khaali khana - 7 ko theek mantaa hai to bara-e-meharaani > ise kisi tarikey se theek saabit to karo.Agar main galat saabit hotaa > hun to publically maafi maangne main mujhe koyee aitraaj nahi > hogaa.Varnaa is galati ki hee tarah Dhokey ka grah bhi to misprint ka > natijaa ho saktaa hai. Otherwise not accepting mistake is a solo > soliloquy as - OX GIVES MILK. With regardsPt.LalkitabeeV.ShuklaMb.- > 9812020001 , " mpj571 " > <mpj571@> wrote: > > > > Dear Vipin Shukla ji, > > > > You had pointed out that the dhoke ka grah in faisala kundali has been > written wrong. Some readers in another group do not find your statement > as correct. They claim that a meticulous person like Pandit ji could not > have made any mistake. Therefore the dhoke ka grah venus has been > written correctly. I think you should set this controversy right for all > time to come so that we know finally which is the dhoke ka grah in the > faisala kundali for the 44th year. Thanking you in advance, > > > > MP Jain > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Respected Lalkitabi ji, Here i give your statement which are you write in another group where i explain my views about Aakhiri faisla Kundlee, here you have objection to on the table and method, which I used. Now i am confused read your message on this matter becaz you also use these table and method. I am highly obliged if you clarify that which method or table we use to find out the " Dhokey Ka Grah " Thanks & Regard Umesh Sharma Respected Umesh JI I was seeing horoscope charts provided by you in foto section & reading your views at the topic which was raised by Kulbir Ji as-- " PEHLE GHARON MEIN VARSHPHAL KE GRAH LIKHE JAYENGE AUR BAAD KE GHARON MEIN JANAM KUNDALI KE GRAH LIKHE JAYENGE AUR IS KE 10 MEIN DOKHE KE GRAH LIKHE JAYENGE. NATIJE PAR FAISLA HOGA. JO GRAH IS KUNDALI MEIN DO DAFA AA JAYE WAH APNA FAISLA IS NAYI KUNDALI KE MUTABIK ACHA YA BURA KISMAT KA FAISLA DENGE. IS TARKIB SE NA AVEN WAH VARSHPHAL KE MUTABIK FAISLA DENGE.. But umesh ji the technique used by u to find out the Planet OF DHOKA, that implies only the horoscope which is provided by you.Why u forgot to use the kundali which has been used at last of 1942 edition ? iN that edition the technique used by you to search Dhokhe ka planet,absolutely fails ,The planet of cheating is VENUS in that horoscope (Yograj ji & Nirmal ji please correct me with the help of 1942 book).If we use only verdicts of u then what will be planet of DHOKHA . I think u used SOORAJ NUMBER 11 or 12 INDEXES to find out the planet of DHOKHA.If so then i want to say that serial (TARTEEB) of the planets deffers in both indexes, due to this ,using ur technique there will be confusion to find out " DHOKE KA PLANET " in 48 th & 52 nd year of varshfal So what u say about that with ur deep insight.In fact as per using of Varshfal & janm kundali for faisle ki kundali, that is so simple as u explained & it is much obvious by that example of the book 1942 at page no. 384. With regards Lalkitabee , " lalkitabee " <lalkitabee wrote: > > Res Mr. Jain Im also aware about that tables at Page no. 72 & 73 of > 1942 edition under headings DHOKEY KA 12 SAALAA CHAKKAR & AAM UMRA MAIN > DHOKEY KA 12 SAALAA CHAKKAR.But I collected whole information from five > editions & as result found the dhokey ka grah shud be Mars in that > AKHIRI KUNDALI. Some of so called experts are sticky about " DHOKEY KA > GRAH " & saying - " A perfectionist like Pundit ji cannot commit such > mistake. " For those people Im revealing another mistake in same AKHIRI > KUNDALI of Original Book. According to the rules of making AKHIRI > KUNDALI at page no 384 of 1942 edition,the SUN & MERCURY aren't > placed in khana No. 7. As per rule both planets shud have been > there.Bcoz there has been written a rule in 1942 -EDITION AT PAGE NO. > 384- PEHLEY GHARON MAIN VARSHFAL KE GRAH AUR BAAD KE GHARON MAIN JANAM > KUNDALI KE GRAH AUR US KUNDALI KE NO.10 MAIN DHOKEY KA GRAH LIKHENGEY.If > we follow this rule there is a crystal-clear mistake in original > lalkitab about KHANA NO. 7 also. Now what will be the opinion of them > who declare that " A perfectionist like Pundit ji cannot commit such > mistake. U also can imagine their devotion for research in this > subject. Main bhi sweekar kartaa hun ki Pandit ji aisi galati kabhi nahi > kar saktey, lekin jabki mujhe yah maloom hai ki is kitaab ka kaam QATIB > kar rahey they ,to galati honey ki gunjayish bhi ho jaati hai. " Bus > yahi baat samajhne ka fark hai. Agar fir bhi koyee aalim AKHIRI > KUNDALI main khaali khana - 7 ko theek mantaa hai to bara-e-meharaani > ise kisi tarikey se theek saabit to karo.Agar main galat saabit hotaa > hun to publically maafi maangne main mujhe koyee aitraaj nahi > hogaa.Varnaa is galati ki hee tarah Dhokey ka grah bhi to misprint ka > natijaa ho saktaa hai. Otherwise not accepting mistake is a solo > soliloquy as - OX GIVES MILK. With regardsPt.LalkitabeeV.ShuklaMb.- > 9812020001 , " mpj571 " > <mpj571@> wrote: > > > > Dear Vipin Shukla ji, > > > > You had pointed out that the dhoke ka grah in faisala kundali has been > written wrong. Some readers in another group do not find your statement > as correct. They claim that a meticulous person like Pandit ji could not > have made any mistake. Therefore the dhoke ka grah venus has been > written correctly. I think you should set this controversy right for all > time to come so that we know finally which is the dhoke ka grah in the > faisala kundali for the 44th year. Thanking you in advance, > > > > MP Jain > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 Respected Umesh ji, aap ke mutabiq kaun sa grah dhoke ka nikalta hai? With respect and regards, Varun Trivedi , " Umesh Sharma " <mudit982001 wrote: > > Respected Varun ji, > See below horoscope and help me to find out Dhokey Ka Grah on 53rd year. > 1st house�Moon+Rahu, > 3rd House-- Venus, > 4th house---- Mercury, > 5th house--- Sun, > 6th house--- Mars, > 7th house--- Jupiter+Ketu > 11th house-- Saturn > Thanks and regards > Umesh Sharma > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 Respected Varun ji, If i adopt my older method which i used dokhey ka grah is " SUN " . Thanks & Regards Umesh Sharma , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > Respected Umesh ji, > > aap ke mutabiq kaun sa grah dhoke ka nikalta hai? > > With respect and regards, > > Varun Trivedi > , " Umesh Sharma " <mudit982001@> wrote: > > > > Respected Varun ji, > > See below horoscope and help me to find out Dhokey Ka Grah on 53rd year. > > 1st house�Moon+Rahu, > > 3rd House-- Venus, > > 4th house---- Mercury, > > 5th house--- Sun, > > 6th house--- Mars, > > 7th house--- Jupiter+Ketu > > 11th house-- Saturn > > Thanks and regards > > Umesh Sharma > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Respected Umesh ji, The method you are using is not old. That is the correct method. Yes, the Sun will be the dhoke ka grah for the 53rd year. But if the sun were in the 7th house and the if the 1st house were unoccupied then the dhoke ka grah would have to be decided through the exception clause. In the Chapter of Dhoke ka grah in your book you should add: [a] the exception clause regarding the sun in the 7th with the 1st being unoccupied. If the 8th house is unoccupied then Mars and saturn should be wriiten; if the 9th and the 12th are unoccupied then Jupiter should be written on the top of the column. With respect and regards, Varun Trivedi , " Umesh Sharma " <mudit982001 wrote: > > Respected Varun ji, > If i adopt my older method which i used dokhey ka grah is " SUN " . > Thanks & Regards > Umesh Sharma > , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > Respected Umesh ji, > > > > aap ke mutabiq kaun sa grah dhoke ka nikalta hai? > > > > With respect and regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Umesh Sharma " <mudit982001@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Varun ji, > > > See below horoscope and help me to find out Dhokey Ka Grah on 53rd year. > > > 1st house�Moon+Rahu, > > > 3rd House-- Venus, > > > 4th house---- Mercury, > > > 5th house--- Sun, > > > 6th house--- Mars, > > > 7th house--- Jupiter+Ketu > > > 11th house-- Saturn > > > Thanks and regards > > > Umesh Sharma > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Res. Varun ji, Thanks a lot, I will make amendments in this chapter in my new edition Thanks Respect & Regards Umesh Sharma , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > Respected Umesh ji, > > The method you are using is not old. That is the correct method. Yes, the Sun will be the dhoke ka grah for the 53rd year. But if the sun were in the 7th house and the if the 1st house were unoccupied then the dhoke ka grah would have to be decided through the exception clause. > > In the Chapter of Dhoke ka grah in your book you should add: > > [a] the exception clause regarding the sun in the 7th with the 1st being unoccupied. > If the 8th house is unoccupied then Mars and saturn should be wriiten; if the 9th and the 12th are unoccupied then Jupiter should be written on the top of the column. > > With respect and regards, > > Varun Trivedi > > > , " Umesh Sharma " <mudit982001@> wrote: > > > > Respected Varun ji, > > If i adopt my older method which i used dokhey ka grah is " SUN " . > > Thanks & Regards > > Umesh Sharma > > , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Umesh ji, > > > > > > aap ke mutabiq kaun sa grah dhoke ka nikalta hai? > > > > > > With respect and regards, > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Umesh Sharma " <mudit982001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Varun ji, > > > > See below horoscope and help me to find out Dhokey Ka Grah on 53rd year. > > > > 1st house�Moon+Rahu, > > > > 3rd House-- Venus, > > > > 4th house---- Mercury, > > > > 5th house--- Sun, > > > > 6th house--- Mars, > > > > 7th house--- Jupiter+Ketu > > > > 11th house-- Saturn > > > > Thanks and regards > > > > Umesh Sharma > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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