Guest guest Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Respected Seniors, Please help me solve this stanza, which is from Lal kitab (1942 edition) chapter " Venus " . Gahr 7vain jab apney betha- Asar-Nazar, rooh apni ko I De deta grah usi ko ye- betha jo ghar 7vain ho II Kya ye apney sath bethe hue grah ko apna asar dega? Agar esa hey to jab akela ho to kya ye condition lagoo nahin hogi? ya varshaphal main jab koi grah 7vain aaye to us par ye asar hoga? Thanks & regards Umesh Sharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 Respected Umesh ji, The results described for Venus in the 7th have been really interesting. “ akela shukra bahut hi nek hoga†. This would be true subject to placement of other planets. For example if the Venus is in the 7th, alone, and there is moon in the 1st house then “ shukra ka phal manda aur kismet barbad hi lenge†[ 1952 ed; page 462 ] Venus in the 7th house across various Lal Kitab editions: “ apane phal ke bajay saathi ya mushtaraqa grah ka phal dega, magar khud shukra [ aurat, lakshmi] ka kabhi manda na hoga†[ 1941 ed, Page 102 ] Except in the matters of wife and money, Venus will give the results of either the planet conjoined with it or of the saathi grah. “ apane phal ke bajay saathi ya mushtaraqa grah ka phal dega, magar khud shukra [ aurat, lakshmi] ka kabhi manda na hoga†[ 1942 ed ; page 153 ] The same as in 1941 edition. But also - “ shukra # 7 ke saath ya saathi grah jaisa hoga, vaisa hi shukra phal dega; magar asar ki taseer aur raftar vahi hogi jaisi ki Shani ki aankh ki hogi".[1942 ed; page 154] 1942 edition adds this new dimension of Saturn. It means that the result could be modified depending on the placement of Saturn. Now the confusion remains as to whether the Venus will give the results of the ‘saath ka grah or saathi grah’ or according to the dictates of Saturn. The dichotomy is unresolved. And still a new dimension is added in the 1952 edition: “ akela shukra bahut hi nek hoga, magar jo saathi ho us ka asar aur phal dega; magar jaise mein taise yani jiske ghar mein us ka dharma hoga aur Shani ki aankhon ki raftar hogi†[1952 ed; page 459] In this, ‘jis ke ghar mein us ka dharma hoga’ has been added. Now the question rises whether the result of Venus will depend upon: [a] Saath ya saathi grah On the placement of Saturn [c] The house it is placed in. Or will the result be an amalgamation of all the three above, stays unresolved. Varun Trivedi , "Umesh Sharma" <mudit982001 wrote:>> Respected Seniors,> Please help me solve this stanza, which is from Lal kitab (1942 edition) chapter "Venus".> > Gahr 7vain jab apney betha- Asar-Nazar, rooh apni ko I> De deta grah usi ko ye- betha jo ghar 7vain ho II> > Kya ye apney sath bethe hue grah ko apna asar dega? Agar esa hey to jab akela ho to kya ye condition lagoo nahin hogi? ya varshaphal main jab koi grah 7vain aaye to us par ye asar hoga?> Thanks & regards> Umesh Sharma> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 Respected Umesh ji, Kindly throw some light on Asar Nazar. Venus doesn't have eye of its own. It is donated by Saturn. Regards. Kulbir. On 7/31/09, Umesh Sharma <mudit982001 wrote: > Respected Seniors, > Please help me solve this stanza, which is from Lal kitab (1942 edition) > chapter " Venus " . > > Gahr 7vain jab apney betha- Asar-Nazar, rooh apni ko I > De deta grah usi ko ye- betha jo ghar 7vain ho II > > Kya ye apney sath bethe hue grah ko apna asar dega? Agar esa hey to jab > akela ho to kya ye condition lagoo nahin hogi? ya varshaphal main jab koi > grah 7vain aaye to us par ye asar hoga? > > Thanks & regards > > Umesh Sharma > > > > > > -- Sent from my mobile device Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 Dear Kulbeer ji, I am not sure, But as I understand here Asar & Nazar means Nature or effect of planet, any one of both Respect and Regards Umesh Sharma , kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: > > Respected Umesh ji, > > Kindly throw some light on Asar Nazar. Venus doesn't have eye > of its own. It is donated by Saturn. > > Regards. > > Kulbir. > > > On 7/31/09, Umesh Sharma <mudit982001 wrote: > > Respected Seniors, > > Please help me solve this stanza, which is from Lal kitab (1942 edition) > > chapter " Venus " . > > > > Gahr 7vain jab apney betha- Asar-Nazar, rooh apni ko I > > De deta grah usi ko ye- betha jo ghar 7vain ho II > > > > Kya ye apney sath bethe hue grah ko apna asar dega? Agar esa hey to jab > > akela ho to kya ye condition lagoo nahin hogi? ya varshaphal main jab koi > > grah 7vain aaye to us par ye asar hoga? > > > > Thanks & regards > > > > Umesh Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 Respected Umesh ji, Since saturn is playing a crucial role, this factor - relation of venus and saturn has to be probed thoroughly. Don't you think so. Regards. Kulbir. On 8/1/09, Umesh Sharma <mudit982001 wrote: > Dear Kulbeer ji, > I am not sure, But as I understand here Asar & Nazar means Nature or effect > of planet, any one of both > Respect and Regards > Umesh Sharma > > , kulbir bance <kulbirbance > wrote: >> >> Respected Umesh ji, >> >> Kindly throw some light on Asar Nazar. Venus doesn't have eye >> of its own. It is donated by Saturn. >> >> Regards. >> >> Kulbir. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 7/31/09, Umesh Sharma <mudit982001 wrote: >> > Respected Seniors, >> > Please help me solve this stanza, which is from Lal kitab (1942 edition) >> > chapter " Venus " . >> > >> > Gahr 7vain jab apney betha- Asar-Nazar, rooh apni ko I >> > De deta grah usi ko ye- betha jo ghar 7vain ho II >> > >> > Kya ye apney sath bethe hue grah ko apna asar dega? Agar esa hey to jab >> > akela ho to kya ye condition lagoo nahin hogi? ya varshaphal main jab >> > koi >> > grah 7vain aaye to us par ye asar hoga? >> > >> > Thanks & regards >> > >> > Umesh Sharma >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> -- >> Sent from my mobile device >> > > > -- Sent from my mobile device Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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