Guest guest Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 Respected Bhooshan ji, A person with a moon in the 5th house is likely to have daughters because it is a stree grah. He may not have a son. May be it is this the Lal Kitab wants to say. Very respectfully, RP Singh , " " < wrote: > > > Pt. Umesh ji, Vipin ji, Kulbir ji, Mahajan ji, Leekha ji, Pradeep Sharma > ji, Dr Kapatjal ji > > > > Dear LK scholars, > > > > Could you please help me in decyphering an LK edict. > > > > In the context of Sun in the 11th house on page 351 of 1952 edition it > is said: > > > > " Paanch chander de umra jo 12, aulad paida na hoti ho " > > > > It is further explained on page 353 as: > > > > " umra 12 sal jab nar grah saath saathi ya madad par na hon, > aulad-nareena ki paidayash nadaarad ya murda laash hi paida hogi " [ > chander no 5 ] > > > > For the same context in the 1942 ed on page 124, it says: > > > > " Chander ho jab panchve baitha, saal 12 mein marta ho " > > > > There is no mention of progeny `nadarad' or progeny as > `murda laash' except that " sanichar ki khurak ya mandi > cheezon ke istemal se aulad ki tabahi ka hukma sadir kar dega " . > > > > [The mention of `nadarad' or `murda laash' progeny is > added in the 1952 ed.] > > > > A result similar to 1942 ed has been mentioned in the 1941 ed on page > 70. > > > > " chander ho jab panchve baitha, saal 12 mein martaa ho " [ 1941; > page 70] > > > > Similar result is also said in 1940 ed page 142 " umra 12 saal > hove " > > > > Now the riddle about the Moon in the 5th when the sun is in the 11th : > > > > [ 1 ] concerning death at the age of 12 : > > > > Moon is `aayu karak' so much so that even if it is placed in the > 8th house `mrityu sthan' it promises a long life " Chandra > 8ve khwah sab haare, par na haare umra ko " . > > > > [a] How come the same Moon when placed in the 5th house, the house > associated with its friends sun and jupiter can give horrific result of > causing early death at the age of 12? > > Neither the 5th house nor the 11th house are associated with death, > then how does death get predicted ? > > [c] The figure of 12 is the nisfa [ half] of moon's year of 24, but > the half of moon's year will not get justified till it is proved > that the moon placed in the 5th will cause death. > > [d] Moon in the 5th and the sun in the 11th are not associated through > aspect, they are not associated with each other in any other way, then > how death is predicted as a result of two unrelated planets. [ 5th > doesn't aspect the 11th; the 11th doesn't aspect the 5th] > > > > [ 2 ] concerning progeny 'nadarad' or as 'murda laash' > > > > There is no mention of `aulaad nadarad' or `murda laash' > in the context of progeny in the earlier editions. It gets a mention > only in the 1952 edition. > > [a] The 5th house is associated with progeny. But could a planet like > moon [mother of planets], placed in the house of its friends, give such > a horrific result of no progeny or at best a dead fetus? > > When there is no relationship between the sun and the moon in this > context, then how can any affliction to sun, of what ever nature, > influence the moon? > > [c] What makes moon [ the mother ] eat progeny when in the 5th? > > > > Can some one please help us understand this riddle? > > > > With respect, > > > > Bhooshan Priya > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 Dear Singh sa'ab, For moon in the 5th house the Lal Kitab says: " mata va nar aulad par bura asar na hoga,khwah papi grahon ka saath ho. nar aulad 5 se kam na hogi" [1942ed; page 138] The same as above [1941 ed; page 82] The same as above [ 1952 ed; page 391; note # 7 ; 'ketu umda ho' added] Therefore the moon does not deny 'nar aulad' on the contrary it promises at least five of them if the ketu is well placed. The question is : What happens to the 5th moon who promises male progeny when the sun gets placed in the 11th house, such that the same moon results in ' nar aulad nadarad' or born as 'murda laash' God bless you Bhooshan Priya , "rpsingh2710" <rpsingh2710 wrote:>> Respected Bhooshan ji,> > A person with a moon in the 5th house is likely to have daughters because it is a stree grah. He may not have a son. May be it is this the Lal Kitab wants to say. > Very respectfully,> > RP Singh> > > > > > > > , "" @ wrote:> >> > > > Pt. Umesh ji, Vipin ji, Kulbir ji, Mahajan ji, Leekha ji, Pradeep Sharma> > ji, Dr Kapatjal ji> > > > > > > > Dear LK scholars,> > > > > > > > Could you please help me in decyphering an LK edict.> > > > > > > > In the context of Sun in the 11th house on page 351 of 1952 edition it> > is said:> > > > > > > > "Paanch chander de umra jo 12, aulad paida na hoti ho"> > > > > > > > It is further explained on page 353 as:> > > > > > > > " umra 12 sal jab nar grah saath saathi ya madad par na hon,> > aulad-nareena ki paidayash nadaarad ya murda laash hi paida hogi" [> > chander no 5 ]> > > > > > > > For the same context in the 1942 ed on page 124, it says:> > > > > > > > "Chander ho jab panchve baitha, saal 12 mein marta ho"> > > > > > > > There is no mention of progeny `nadarad' or progeny as> > `murda laash' except that " sanichar ki khurak ya mandi> > cheezon ke istemal se aulad ki tabahi ka hukma sadir kar dega".> > > > > > > > [The mention of `nadarad' or `murda laash' progeny is> > added in the 1952 ed.]> > > > > > > > A result similar to 1942 ed has been mentioned in the 1941 ed on page> > 70.> > > > > > > > " chander ho jab panchve baitha, saal 12 mein martaa ho" [ 1941;> > page 70]> > > > > > > > Similar result is also said in 1940 ed page 142 " umra 12 saal> > hove"> > > > > > > > Now the riddle about the Moon in the 5th when the sun is in the 11th :> > > > > > > > [ 1 ] concerning death at the age of 12 :> > > > > > > > Moon is `aayu karak' so much so that even if it is placed in the> > 8th house `mrityu sthan' it promises a long life " Chandra> > 8ve khwah sab haare, par na haare umra ko".> > > > > > > > [a] How come the same Moon when placed in the 5th house, the house> > associated with its friends sun and jupiter can give horrific result of> > causing early death at the age of 12?> > > > Neither the 5th house nor the 11th house are associated with death,> > then how does death get predicted ?> > > > [c] The figure of 12 is the nisfa [ half] of moon's year of 24, but> > the half of moon's year will not get justified till it is proved> > that the moon placed in the 5th will cause death.> > > > [d] Moon in the 5th and the sun in the 11th are not associated through> > aspect, they are not associated with each other in any other way, then> > how death is predicted as a result of two unrelated planets. [ 5th> > doesn't aspect the 11th; the 11th doesn't aspect the 5th]> > > > > > > > [ 2 ] concerning progeny 'nadarad' or as 'murda laash'> > > > > > > > There is no mention of `aulaad nadarad' or `murda laash'> > in the context of progeny in the earlier editions. It gets a mention> > only in the 1952 edition.> > > > [a] The 5th house is associated with progeny. But could a planet like> > moon [mother of planets], placed in the house of its friends, give such> > a horrific result of no progeny or at best a dead fetus?> > > > When there is no relationship between the sun and the moon in this> > context, then how can any affliction to sun, of what ever nature,> > influence the moon?> > > > [c] What makes moon [ the mother ] eat progeny when in the 5th?> > > > > > > > Can some one please help us understand this riddle?> > > > > > > > With respect,> > > > > > > > Bhooshan Priya> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 Bhushan Priya Jee, Namaskar Aapka iss baat ke liye bahut bahut dhanyawad ki aapne mujh nachese ko iss kabil samjha ki mera naam LAL KITAB kee jinko samajh hai,ya jaankar hai unn hastiyon ke sath likha hai, jabki mein unn ke aage kuchh bhee nahi. Aapka swal hai uss par bahut hee mehnat karne kee zarrorat hai, lekin kuchh isska jawab aapko Chnader khana no 5 mein mil jayega.LAL KITAB 1942 page no 137 agar dhayan se pade to aapko aapke swal ka kuchh na kuchh jawab mil jayega (bilkul akhiri line zaroor pade ) Chander 5 ke samay agar khana no 9-11 mein dost grah hon to chander ka phal kharab hee milega ya chander 5 ke jo phal hai(shubh phal) woh sab ulta(ashubh phal) denge(LAL KITAB 1942 ). MAHAJAN , " " < wrote: > > > Dear Singh sa'ab, > > For moon in the 5th house the Lal Kitab says: > > " mata va nar aulad par bura asar na hoga,khwah papi grahon ka saath ho. > nar aulad 5 se kam na hogi " [1942ed; page 138] > > The same as above [1941 ed; page 82] > > The same as above [ 1952 ed; page 391; note # 7 ; 'ketu umda ho' added] > > Therefore the moon does not deny 'nar aulad' on the contrary it > promises at least five of them if the ketu is well placed. > > The question is : > > What happens to the 5th moon who promises male progeny when the sun gets > placed in the 11th house, such that the same moon results in ' nar aulad > nadarad' or born as 'murda laash' > > God bless you > > Bhooshan Priya > > > > > > > > > > , " rpsingh2710 " > rpsingh2710@ wrote: > > > > Respected Bhooshan ji, > > > > A person with a moon in the 5th house is likely to have daughters > because it is a stree grah. He may not have a son. May be it is this the > Lal Kitab wants to say. > > Very respectfully, > > > > RP Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " " > @ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Pt. Umesh ji, Vipin ji, Kulbir ji, Mahajan ji, Leekha ji, Pradeep > Sharma > > > ji, Dr Kapatjal ji > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear LK scholars, > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you please help me in decyphering an LK edict. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the context of Sun in the 11th house on page 351 of 1952 edition > it > > > is said: > > > > > > > > > > > > " Paanch chander de umra jo 12, aulad paida na hoti ho " > > > > > > > > > > > > It is further explained on page 353 as: > > > > > > > > > > > > " umra 12 sal jab nar grah saath saathi ya madad par na hon, > > > aulad-nareena ki paidayash nadaarad ya murda laash hi paida hogi " [ > > > chander no 5 ] > > > > > > > > > > > > For the same context in the 1942 ed on page 124, it says: > > > > > > > > > > > > " Chander ho jab panchve baitha, saal 12 mein marta ho " > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no mention of progeny `nadarad' or progeny as > > > `murda laash' except that " sanichar ki khurak ya mandi > > > cheezon ke istemal se aulad ki tabahi ka hukma sadir kar dega " . > > > > > > > > > > > > [The mention of `nadarad' or `murda laash' progeny is > > > added in the 1952 ed.] > > > > > > > > > > > > A result similar to 1942 ed has been mentioned in the 1941 ed on > page > > > 70. > > > > > > > > > > > > " chander ho jab panchve baitha, saal 12 mein martaa ho " [ 1941; > > > page 70] > > > > > > > > > > > > Similar result is also said in 1940 ed page 142 " umra 12 saal > > > hove " > > > > > > > > > > > > Now the riddle about the Moon in the 5th when the sun is in the 11th > : > > > > > > > > > > > > [ 1 ] concerning death at the age of 12 : > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon is `aayu karak' so much so that even if it is placed in the > > > 8th house `mrityu sthan' it promises a long life " Chandra > > > 8ve khwah sab haare, par na haare umra ko " . > > > > > > > > > > > > [a] How come the same Moon when placed in the 5th house, the house > > > associated with its friends sun and jupiter can give horrific result > of > > > causing early death at the age of 12? > > > > > > Neither the 5th house nor the 11th house are associated with > death, > > > then how does death get predicted ? > > > > > > [c] The figure of 12 is the nisfa [ half] of moon's year of 24, but > > > the half of moon's year will not get justified till it is proved > > > that the moon placed in the 5th will cause death. > > > > > > [d] Moon in the 5th and the sun in the 11th are not associated > through > > > aspect, they are not associated with each other in any other way, > then > > > how death is predicted as a result of two unrelated planets. [ 5th > > > doesn't aspect the 11th; the 11th doesn't aspect the 5th] > > > > > > > > > > > > [ 2 ] concerning progeny 'nadarad' or as 'murda laash' > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no mention of `aulaad nadarad' or `murda laash' > > > in the context of progeny in the earlier editions. It gets a mention > > > only in the 1952 edition. > > > > > > [a] The 5th house is associated with progeny. But could a planet > like > > > moon [mother of planets], placed in the house of its friends, give > such > > > a horrific result of no progeny or at best a dead fetus? > > > > > > When there is no relationship between the sun and the moon in > this > > > context, then how can any affliction to sun, of what ever nature, > > > influence the moon? > > > > > > [c] What makes moon [ the mother ] eat progeny when in the 5th? > > > > > > > > > > > > Can some one please help us understand this riddle? > > > > > > > > > > > > With respect, > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhooshan Priya > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 Dear Mahajan ji, Aap zameen se jude vidwan hain, kewal kitabee vidwan nahi. Aap ka anubhav hi bahut par bhari padata hai. Aap se anurodh hai ki chandra 5 / surya 11 ki horoscopes mein yeh dekhen ki kya unki umra 12 saal hi thi? aur agar kisi vajah se bach bhi gaye to kya unke putra santaan bhi huyee ya nahi ? Practical anubhav hi sab se acchha test hoga is Lal Kitab ke statement ka. God bless you, Bhooshan Priya , " heartzthief54 " <heartzthief54 wrote: > > Bhushan Priya Jee, > > Namaskar > > Aapka iss baat ke liye bahut bahut dhanyawad ki aapne mujh nachese ko > iss kabil samjha ki mera naam LAL KITAB kee jinko samajh hai,ya jaankar > hai unn hastiyon ke sath likha hai, jabki mein unn ke aage kuchh bhee > nahi. > > Aapka swal hai uss par bahut hee mehnat karne kee zarrorat hai, lekin > kuchh isska jawab aapko Chnader khana no 5 mein mil jayega.LAL KITAB > 1942 page no 137 agar dhayan se pade to aapko aapke swal ka kuchh na > kuchh jawab mil jayega (bilkul akhiri line zaroor pade ) > > Chander 5 ke samay agar khana no 9-11 mein dost grah hon to chander ka > phal kharab hee milega ya chander 5 ke jo phal hai(shubh phal) woh sab > ulta(ashubh phal) denge(LAL KITAB 1942 ). > > MAHAJAN , " " > <@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Singh sa'ab, > > > > For moon in the 5th house the Lal Kitab says: > > > > " mata va nar aulad par bura asar na hoga,khwah papi grahon ka saath > ho. > > nar aulad 5 se kam na hogi " [1942ed; page 138] > > > > The same as above [1941 ed; page 82] > > > > The same as above [ 1952 ed; page 391; note # 7 ; 'ketu umda ho' > added] > > > > Therefore the moon does not deny 'nar aulad' on the contrary it > > promises at least five of them if the ketu is well placed. > > > > The question is : > > > > What happens to the 5th moon who promises male progeny when the sun > gets > > placed in the 11th house, such that the same moon results in ' nar > aulad > > nadarad' or born as 'murda laash' > > > > God bless you > > > > Bhooshan Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rpsingh2710 " > > rpsingh2710@ wrote: > > > > > > Respected Bhooshan ji, > > > > > > A person with a moon in the 5th house is likely to have daughters > > because it is a stree grah. He may not have a son. May be it is this > the > > Lal Kitab wants to say. > > > Very respectfully, > > > > > > RP Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " " > > @ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Pt. Umesh ji, Vipin ji, Kulbir ji, Mahajan ji, Leekha ji, Pradeep > > Sharma > > > > ji, Dr Kapatjal ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear LK scholars, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you please help me in decyphering an LK edict. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the context of Sun in the 11th house on page 351 of 1952 > edition > > it > > > > is said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Paanch chander de umra jo 12, aulad paida na hoti ho " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is further explained on page 353 as: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " umra 12 sal jab nar grah saath saathi ya madad par na hon, > > > > aulad-nareena ki paidayash nadaarad ya murda laash hi paida hogi " > [ > > > > chander no 5 ] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the same context in the 1942 ed on page 124, it says: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Chander ho jab panchve baitha, saal 12 mein marta ho " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no mention of progeny `nadarad' or progeny as > > > > `murda laash' except that " sanichar ki khurak ya mandi > > > > cheezon ke istemal se aulad ki tabahi ka hukma sadir kar dega " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [The mention of `nadarad' or `murda laash' progeny is > > > > added in the 1952 ed.] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A result similar to 1942 ed has been mentioned in the 1941 ed on > > page > > > > 70. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " chander ho jab panchve baitha, saal 12 mein martaa ho " [ 1941; > > > > page 70] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Similar result is also said in 1940 ed page 142 " umra 12 saal > > > > hove " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now the riddle about the Moon in the 5th when the sun is in the > 11th > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ 1 ] concerning death at the age of 12 : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon is `aayu karak' so much so that even if it is placed in the > > > > 8th house `mrityu sthan' it promises a long life " Chandra > > > > 8ve khwah sab haare, par na haare umra ko " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [a] How come the same Moon when placed in the 5th house, the house > > > > associated with its friends sun and jupiter can give horrific > result > > of > > > > causing early death at the age of 12? > > > > > > > > Neither the 5th house nor the 11th house are associated with > > death, > > > > then how does death get predicted ? > > > > > > > > [c] The figure of 12 is the nisfa [ half] of moon's year of 24, > but > > > > the half of moon's year will not get justified till it is proved > > > > that the moon placed in the 5th will cause death. > > > > > > > > [d] Moon in the 5th and the sun in the 11th are not associated > > through > > > > aspect, they are not associated with each other in any other way, > > then > > > > how death is predicted as a result of two unrelated planets. [ 5th > > > > doesn't aspect the 11th; the 11th doesn't aspect the 5th] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ 2 ] concerning progeny 'nadarad' or as 'murda laash' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no mention of `aulaad nadarad' or `murda laash' > > > > in the context of progeny in the earlier editions. It gets a > mention > > > > only in the 1952 edition. > > > > > > > > [a] The 5th house is associated with progeny. But could a planet > > like > > > > moon [mother of planets], placed in the house of its friends, give > > such > > > > a horrific result of no progeny or at best a dead fetus? > > > > > > > > When there is no relationship between the sun and the moon in > > this > > > > context, then how can any affliction to sun, of what ever nature, > > > > influence the moon? > > > > > > > > [c] What makes moon [ the mother ] eat progeny when in the 5th? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can some one please help us understand this riddle? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With respect, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhooshan Priya > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Dear Dr. Bhooshan Priya ji, Since no satisfactory logical explanation seems to have been found then in such matters one should have faith in the book and accept it as to be true. Sincerely, HS Gill , " " < wrote: > > > Dear Singh sa'ab, > > For moon in the 5th house the Lal Kitab says: > > " mata va nar aulad par bura asar na hoga,khwah papi grahon ka saath ho. > nar aulad 5 se kam na hogi " [1942ed; page 138] > > The same as above [1941 ed; page 82] > > The same as above [ 1952 ed; page 391; note # 7 ; 'ketu umda ho' added] > > Therefore the moon does not deny 'nar aulad' on the contrary it > promises at least five of them if the ketu is well placed. > > The question is : > > What happens to the 5th moon who promises male progeny when the sun gets > placed in the 11th house, such that the same moon results in ' nar aulad > nadarad' or born as 'murda laash' > > God bless you > > Bhooshan Priya > > > > > > > > > > , " rpsingh2710 " > <rpsingh2710@> wrote: > > > > Respected Bhooshan ji, > > > > A person with a moon in the 5th house is likely to have daughters > because it is a stree grah. He may not have a son. May be it is this the > Lal Kitab wants to say. > > Very respectfully, > > > > RP Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " " > @ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Pt. Umesh ji, Vipin ji, Kulbir ji, Mahajan ji, Leekha ji, Pradeep > Sharma > > > ji, Dr Kapatjal ji > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear LK scholars, > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you please help me in decyphering an LK edict. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the context of Sun in the 11th house on page 351 of 1952 edition > it > > > is said: > > > > > > > > > > > > " Paanch chander de umra jo 12, aulad paida na hoti ho " > > > > > > > > > > > > It is further explained on page 353 as: > > > > > > > > > > > > " umra 12 sal jab nar grah saath saathi ya madad par na hon, > > > aulad-nareena ki paidayash nadaarad ya murda laash hi paida hogi " [ > > > chander no 5 ] > > > > > > > > > > > > For the same context in the 1942 ed on page 124, it says: > > > > > > > > > > > > " Chander ho jab panchve baitha, saal 12 mein marta ho " > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no mention of progeny `nadarad' or progeny as > > > `murda laash' except that " sanichar ki khurak ya mandi > > > cheezon ke istemal se aulad ki tabahi ka hukma sadir kar dega " . > > > > > > > > > > > > [The mention of `nadarad' or `murda laash' progeny is > > > added in the 1952 ed.] > > > > > > > > > > > > A result similar to 1942 ed has been mentioned in the 1941 ed on > page > > > 70. > > > > > > > > > > > > " chander ho jab panchve baitha, saal 12 mein martaa ho " [ 1941; > > > page 70] > > > > > > > > > > > > Similar result is also said in 1940 ed page 142 " umra 12 saal > > > hove " > > > > > > > > > > > > Now the riddle about the Moon in the 5th when the sun is in the 11th > : > > > > > > > > > > > > [ 1 ] concerning death at the age of 12 : > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon is `aayu karak' so much so that even if it is placed in the > > > 8th house `mrityu sthan' it promises a long life " Chandra > > > 8ve khwah sab haare, par na haare umra ko " . > > > > > > > > > > > > [a] How come the same Moon when placed in the 5th house, the house > > > associated with its friends sun and jupiter can give horrific result > of > > > causing early death at the age of 12? > > > > > > Neither the 5th house nor the 11th house are associated with > death, > > > then how does death get predicted ? > > > > > > [c] The figure of 12 is the nisfa [ half] of moon's year of 24, but > > > the half of moon's year will not get justified till it is proved > > > that the moon placed in the 5th will cause death. > > > > > > [d] Moon in the 5th and the sun in the 11th are not associated > through > > > aspect, they are not associated with each other in any other way, > then > > > how death is predicted as a result of two unrelated planets. [ 5th > > > doesn't aspect the 11th; the 11th doesn't aspect the 5th] > > > > > > > > > > > > [ 2 ] concerning progeny 'nadarad' or as 'murda laash' > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no mention of `aulaad nadarad' or `murda laash' > > > in the context of progeny in the earlier editions. It gets a mention > > > only in the 1952 edition. > > > > > > [a] The 5th house is associated with progeny. But could a planet > like > > > moon [mother of planets], placed in the house of its friends, give > such > > > a horrific result of no progeny or at best a dead fetus? > > > > > > When there is no relationship between the sun and the moon in > this > > > context, then how can any affliction to sun, of what ever nature, > > > influence the moon? > > > > > > [c] What makes moon [ the mother ] eat progeny when in the 5th? > > > > > > > > > > > > Can some one please help us understand this riddle? > > > > > > > > > > > > With respect, > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhooshan Priya > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Dear Gill Sa'ab, Faith or `aastha' are matters of individual choice. Most of us have faith or `aastha' in things which are divine or the word of God. Muslims have faith on Quran because they believe it to be the word of God. Lal Kitab is written by a human being like us. It is not God's word. Therefore believing every thing that is written in the Lal Kitab in the name of `Faith' will not only be unrealistic it will be against all tenets of rationality. So long as a matter is not explained through logical analysis, a rational person will keep it with a question mark added to it, signifying that the concept is kept on hold till a logical explanation is found. He will not reject it outright, but at the same time will not accept it as truth either. As Neelam ji has suggested, in this case the best thing would be to verify the dictum through actual horoscopes. God bless you Bhooshan Priya , " gill_hs2005 " <gill_hs2005 wrote: > > Dear Dr. Bhooshan Priya ji, > > Since no satisfactory logical explanation seems to have been found then in such matters one should have faith in the book and accept it as to be true. > Sincerely, > > HS Gill > > > > > , " " <@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Singh sa'ab, > > > > For moon in the 5th house the Lal Kitab says: > > > > " mata va nar aulad par bura asar na hoga,khwah papi grahon ka saath ho. > > nar aulad 5 se kam na hogi " [1942ed; page 138] > > > > The same as above [1941 ed; page 82] > > > > The same as above [ 1952 ed; page 391; note # 7 ; 'ketu umda ho' added] > > > > Therefore the moon does not deny 'nar aulad' on the contrary it > > promises at least five of them if the ketu is well placed. > > > > The question is : > > > > What happens to the 5th moon who promises male progeny when the sun gets > > placed in the 11th house, such that the same moon results in ' nar aulad > > nadarad' or born as 'murda laash' > > > > God bless you > > > > Bhooshan Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rpsingh2710 " > > <rpsingh2710@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Bhooshan ji, > > > > > > A person with a moon in the 5th house is likely to have daughters > > because it is a stree grah. He may not have a son. May be it is this the > > Lal Kitab wants to say. > > > Very respectfully, > > > > > > RP Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " " > > @ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Pt. Umesh ji, Vipin ji, Kulbir ji, Mahajan ji, Leekha ji, Pradeep > > Sharma > > > > ji, Dr Kapatjal ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear LK scholars, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you please help me in decyphering an LK edict. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the context of Sun in the 11th house on page 351 of 1952 edition > > it > > > > is said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Paanch chander de umra jo 12, aulad paida na hoti ho " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is further explained on page 353 as: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " umra 12 sal jab nar grah saath saathi ya madad par na hon, > > > > aulad-nareena ki paidayash nadaarad ya murda laash hi paida hogi " [ > > > > chander no 5 ] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the same context in the 1942 ed on page 124, it says: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Chander ho jab panchve baitha, saal 12 mein marta ho " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no mention of progeny `nadarad' or progeny as > > > > `murda laash' except that " sanichar ki khurak ya mandi > > > > cheezon ke istemal se aulad ki tabahi ka hukma sadir kar dega " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [The mention of `nadarad' or `murda laash' progeny is > > > > added in the 1952 ed.] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A result similar to 1942 ed has been mentioned in the 1941 ed on > > page > > > > 70. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " chander ho jab panchve baitha, saal 12 mein martaa ho " [ 1941; > > > > page 70] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Similar result is also said in 1940 ed page 142 " umra 12 saal > > > > hove " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now the riddle about the Moon in the 5th when the sun is in the 11th > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ 1 ] concerning death at the age of 12 : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon is `aayu karak' so much so that even if it is placed in the > > > > 8th house `mrityu sthan' it promises a long life " Chandra > > > > 8ve khwah sab haare, par na haare umra ko " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [a] How come the same Moon when placed in the 5th house, the house > > > > associated with its friends sun and jupiter can give horrific result > > of > > > > causing early death at the age of 12? > > > > > > > > Neither the 5th house nor the 11th house are associated with > > death, > > > > then how does death get predicted ? > > > > > > > > [c] The figure of 12 is the nisfa [ half] of moon's year of 24, but > > > > the half of moon's year will not get justified till it is proved > > > > that the moon placed in the 5th will cause death. > > > > > > > > [d] Moon in the 5th and the sun in the 11th are not associated > > through > > > > aspect, they are not associated with each other in any other way, > > then > > > > how death is predicted as a result of two unrelated planets. [ 5th > > > > doesn't aspect the 11th; the 11th doesn't aspect the 5th] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ 2 ] concerning progeny 'nadarad' or as 'murda laash' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no mention of `aulaad nadarad' or `murda laash' > > > > in the context of progeny in the earlier editions. It gets a mention > > > > only in the 1952 edition. > > > > > > > > [a] The 5th house is associated with progeny. But could a planet > > like > > > > moon [mother of planets], placed in the house of its friends, give > > such > > > > a horrific result of no progeny or at best a dead fetus? > > > > > > > > When there is no relationship between the sun and the moon in > > this > > > > context, then how can any affliction to sun, of what ever nature, > > > > influence the moon? > > > > > > > > [c] What makes moon [ the mother ] eat progeny when in the 5th? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can some one please help us understand this riddle? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With respect, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhooshan Priya > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Gill Sahib, Baat kuchh hadh tak aapki theek hai,lekin aisa kya ho jata hai Chander ko khana no 5 mein ki (jatak kee)umar sirf 12 saal hee reh jati ya aulad hee nahi hoti. Balki agar gaur se dekha jaye to Aulad ka khana (5) Chnader se roshan ho raha hai,aisee halat mein Suraj ne khana no 11 mein aa ke kya kiya hai kee umar ya aulad se mahroom kar deta hai.Yehi soch ka vishay hai. Mein bhee aapki tarah LAL KITAB par kintu parantu nahi karta/chahta ya shayad mein aapse zyada hee LAL KITAB ka mureed hoon. LAL KITAB mein jo kuchh likha gaya hai sahi hai lekin uska bhee logic hai , lekin yahan par kya logic hai ussi ko dekhna hai aap bhee koshish karein mein bhee karta hoon, kuchh na kuchh natiza zaroor niklega/nikaloonga aisa mera vishvas hai. MAHAJAN , "gill_hs2005" <gill_hs2005 wrote:>> Dear Dr. Bhooshan Priya ji,> > Since no satisfactory logical explanation seems to have been found then in such matters one should have faith in the book and accept it as to be true.> Sincerely,> > HS Gill> > > > > > > > > > > > , "" @ wrote:> >> > > > Dear Singh sa'ab,> > > > For moon in the 5th house the Lal Kitab says:> > > > " mata va nar aulad par bura asar na hoga,khwah papi grahon ka saath ho.> > nar aulad 5 se kam na hogi" [1942ed; page 138]> > > > The same as above [1941 ed; page 82]> > > > The same as above [ 1952 ed; page 391; note # 7 ; 'ketu umda ho' added]> > > > Therefore the moon does not deny 'nar aulad' on the contrary it> > promises at least five of them if the ketu is well placed.> > > > The question is :> > > > What happens to the 5th moon who promises male progeny when the sun gets> > placed in the 11th house, such that the same moon results in ' nar aulad> > nadarad' or born as 'murda laash'> > > > God bless you> > > > Bhooshan Priya> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "rpsingh2710"> > <rpsingh2710@> wrote:> > >> > > Respected Bhooshan ji,> > >> > > A person with a moon in the 5th house is likely to have daughters> > because it is a stree grah. He may not have a son. May be it is this the> > Lal Kitab wants to say.> > > Very respectfully,> > >> > > RP Singh> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , ""> > @ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Pt. Umesh ji, Vipin ji, Kulbir ji, Mahajan ji, Leekha ji, Pradeep> > Sharma> > > > ji, Dr Kapatjal ji> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear LK scholars,> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Could you please help me in decyphering an LK edict.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > In the context of Sun in the 11th house on page 351 of 1952 edition> > it> > > > is said:> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > "Paanch chander de umra jo 12, aulad paida na hoti ho"> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > It is further explained on page 353 as:> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > " umra 12 sal jab nar grah saath saathi ya madad par na hon,> > > > aulad-nareena ki paidayash nadaarad ya murda laash hi paida hogi" [> > > > chander no 5 ]> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > For the same context in the 1942 ed on page 124, it says:> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > "Chander ho jab panchve baitha, saal 12 mein marta ho"> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > There is no mention of progeny `nadarad' or progeny as> > > > `murda laash' except that " sanichar ki khurak ya mandi> > > > cheezon ke istemal se aulad ki tabahi ka hukma sadir kar dega".> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > [The mention of `nadarad' or `murda laash' progeny is> > > > added in the 1952 ed.]> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > A result similar to 1942 ed has been mentioned in the 1941 ed on> > page> > > > 70.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > " chander ho jab panchve baitha, saal 12 mein martaa ho" [ 1941;> > > > page 70]> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Similar result is also said in 1940 ed page 142 " umra 12 saal> > > > hove"> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Now the riddle about the Moon in the 5th when the sun is in the 11th> > :> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > [ 1 ] concerning death at the age of 12 :> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Moon is `aayu karak' so much so that even if it is placed in the> > > > 8th house `mrityu sthan' it promises a long life " Chandra> > > > 8ve khwah sab haare, par na haare umra ko".> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > [a] How come the same Moon when placed in the 5th house, the house> > > > associated with its friends sun and jupiter can give horrific result> > of> > > > causing early death at the age of 12?> > > >> > > > Neither the 5th house nor the 11th house are associated with> > death,> > > > then how does death get predicted ?> > > >> > > > [c] The figure of 12 is the nisfa [ half] of moon's year of 24, but> > > > the half of moon's year will not get justified till it is proved> > > > that the moon placed in the 5th will cause death.> > > >> > > > [d] Moon in the 5th and the sun in the 11th are not associated> > through> > > > aspect, they are not associated with each other in any other way,> > then> > > > how death is predicted as a result of two unrelated planets. [ 5th> > > > doesn't aspect the 11th; the 11th doesn't aspect the 5th]> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > [ 2 ] concerning progeny 'nadarad' or as 'murda laash'> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > There is no mention of `aulaad nadarad' or `murda laash'> > > > in the context of progeny in the earlier editions. It gets a mention> > > > only in the 1952 edition.> > > >> > > > [a] The 5th house is associated with progeny. But could a planet> > like> > > > moon [mother of planets], placed in the house of its friends, give> > such> > > > a horrific result of no progeny or at best a dead fetus?> > > >> > > > When there is no relationship between the sun and the moon in> > this> > > > context, then how can any affliction to sun, of what ever nature,> > > > influence the moon?> > > >> > > > [c] What makes moon [ the mother ] eat progeny when in the 5th?> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Can some one please help us understand this riddle?> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > With respect,> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Bhooshan Priya> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 Aadarneey Jyotirvid vrnda Vedic jyotish mein balarishta, 12 varsh ki ayu tak mrityu bhaya, ka adhyayan karte samay lagna/lagnesh tatha chandra ko sabse adhik mahatwa diya jata hai. Yadi lagna aur lagnesh shubh sthan par stitha hon aur vah kisi pap grah se aakrant nah on sath hi Chandra bhi shubh bhav mein sthit ho to balarisht nahi hota,arthat 12 varsh tak mrityu bhaya nahi hota. Jyotish mein trikon bhavon, 1, 5 , 9 ko bahut shubh mana hai jaise ki trik bhavon, 6, 8, 12 ko ashubh. Atah 5ve bhav mein stitha Chandra shubh grah hone ke saath-saath shubh bhav mein stitha mana jayega. Jab Chandra 5 mein ho aur soorya 11 mein ho to janma pooranmasi ka hoga jis samay poornima ka Chandra poorna bali hoga. Trikon mein sthita poonam ka poorna bali Chandra kundali ke sabhi balarishta doshon ko dho dalega. Jatak ko koi bhi balarishta jab tak nahi hoga jab tak ki lagna aur lagnesh dono hi pap grahon se aakrant na hon. Yeh to rahi Chandra 5 aur balarishta par vedic jyotish ke vichar ki. 5 mein baitha poorn bali shubh Chandra kya putrahantaa hoga? Kya jatak ke putra santaan nahi hogi? Kam se kam vedic jyotish ke anusar yah sahi nahi lagta. 5 mein baithe Chandra ke karan pahli santaan putri ho ye to sambhav hai lekin putra hon hi nahi yah sambhav nahi lagata. Jab mamta mayee saakshat ma , vah bhi poorn bali hokar 5 mein baithi ho to bhala vah putra santaan ko haani kaise pahuncha sakti hai. Sa adar Anand Swaroop , " heartzthief54 " <heartzthief54 wrote: > > Gill Sahib, > > Baat kuchh hadh tak aapki theek hai,lekin aisa kya ho jata hai Chander > ko khana no 5 mein ki (jatak kee)umar sirf 12 saal hee reh jati ya aulad > hee nahi hoti. > > Balki agar gaur se dekha jaye to Aulad ka khana (5) Chnader se roshan ho > raha hai,aisee halat mein Suraj ne khana no 11 mein aa ke kya kiya hai > kee umar ya aulad se mahroom kar deta hai.Yehi soch ka vishay hai. > > Mein bhee aapki tarah LAL KITAB par kintu parantu nahi karta/chahta ya > shayad mein aapse zyada hee LAL KITAB ka mureed hoon. LAL KITAB mein jo > kuchh likha gaya hai sahi hai lekin uska bhee logic hai , lekin yahan > par kya logic hai ussi ko dekhna hai aap bhee koshish karein mein bhee > karta hoon, kuchh na kuchh natiza zaroor niklega/nikaloonga aisa mera > vishvas hai. > > MAHAJAN > > > , " gill_hs2005 " > <gill_hs2005@> wrote: > > > > Dear Dr. Bhooshan Priya ji, > > > > Since no satisfactory logical explanation seems to have been found > then in such matters one should have faith in the book and accept it as > to be true. > > Sincerely, > > > > HS Gill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " " > @ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Singh sa'ab, > > > > > > For moon in the 5th house the Lal Kitab says: > > > > > > " mata va nar aulad par bura asar na hoga,khwah papi grahon ka saath > ho. > > > nar aulad 5 se kam na hogi " [1942ed; page 138] > > > > > > The same as above [1941 ed; page 82] > > > > > > The same as above [ 1952 ed; page 391; note # 7 ; 'ketu umda ho' > added] > > > > > > Therefore the moon does not deny 'nar aulad' on the contrary it > > > promises at least five of them if the ketu is well placed. > > > > > > The question is : > > > > > > What happens to the 5th moon who promises male progeny when the sun > gets > > > placed in the 11th house, such that the same moon results in ' nar > aulad > > > nadarad' or born as 'murda laash' > > > > > > God bless you > > > > > > Bhooshan Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rpsingh2710 " > > > <rpsingh2710@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Bhooshan ji, > > > > > > > > A person with a moon in the 5th house is likely to have daughters > > > because it is a stree grah. He may not have a son. May be it is this > the > > > Lal Kitab wants to say. > > > > Very respectfully, > > > > > > > > RP Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " " > > > @ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pt. Umesh ji, Vipin ji, Kulbir ji, Mahajan ji, Leekha ji, > Pradeep > > > Sharma > > > > > ji, Dr Kapatjal ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear LK scholars, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you please help me in decyphering an LK edict. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the context of Sun in the 11th house on page 351 of 1952 > edition > > > it > > > > > is said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Paanch chander de umra jo 12, aulad paida na hoti ho " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is further explained on page 353 as: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " umra 12 sal jab nar grah saath saathi ya madad par na hon, > > > > > aulad-nareena ki paidayash nadaarad ya murda laash hi paida > hogi " [ > > > > > chander no 5 ] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the same context in the 1942 ed on page 124, it says: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Chander ho jab panchve baitha, saal 12 mein marta ho " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no mention of progeny `nadarad' or progeny as > > > > > `murda laash' except that " sanichar ki khurak ya mandi > > > > > cheezon ke istemal se aulad ki tabahi ka hukma sadir kar dega " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [The mention of `nadarad' or `murda laash' progeny is > > > > > added in the 1952 ed.] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A result similar to 1942 ed has been mentioned in the 1941 ed on > > > page > > > > > 70. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " chander ho jab panchve baitha, saal 12 mein martaa ho " [ 1941; > > > > > page 70] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Similar result is also said in 1940 ed page 142 " umra 12 saal > > > > > hove " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now the riddle about the Moon in the 5th when the sun is in the > 11th > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ 1 ] concerning death at the age of 12 : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon is `aayu karak' so much so that even if it is placed in the > > > > > 8th house `mrityu sthan' it promises a long life " Chandra > > > > > 8ve khwah sab haare, par na haare umra ko " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [a] How come the same Moon when placed in the 5th house, the > house > > > > > associated with its friends sun and jupiter can give horrific > result > > > of > > > > > causing early death at the age of 12? > > > > > > > > > > Neither the 5th house nor the 11th house are associated with > > > death, > > > > > then how does death get predicted ? > > > > > > > > > > [c] The figure of 12 is the nisfa [ half] of moon's year of 24, > but > > > > > the half of moon's year will not get justified till it is proved > > > > > that the moon placed in the 5th will cause death. > > > > > > > > > > [d] Moon in the 5th and the sun in the 11th are not associated > > > through > > > > > aspect, they are not associated with each other in any other > way, > > > then > > > > > how death is predicted as a result of two unrelated planets. [ > 5th > > > > > doesn't aspect the 11th; the 11th doesn't aspect the 5th] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ 2 ] concerning progeny 'nadarad' or as 'murda laash' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no mention of `aulaad nadarad' or `murda laash' > > > > > in the context of progeny in the earlier editions. It gets a > mention > > > > > only in the 1952 edition. > > > > > > > > > > [a] The 5th house is associated with progeny. But could a planet > > > like > > > > > moon [mother of planets], placed in the house of its friends, > give > > > such > > > > > a horrific result of no progeny or at best a dead fetus? > > > > > > > > > > When there is no relationship between the sun and the moon > in > > > this > > > > > context, then how can any affliction to sun, of what ever > nature, > > > > > influence the moon? > > > > > > > > > > [c] What makes moon [ the mother ] eat progeny when in the 5th? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can some one please help us understand this riddle? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With respect, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhooshan Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 Respected Swaroop ji, Thank you so much for presenting the Vedic astrology perspective. Your view is well taken. Hope you will continue enlightening us in the future also. Regards, Varun Trivedi , " anand_jotish " <anand_jotish wrote: > > Aadarneey Jyotirvid vrnda > > > Vedic jyotish mein balarishta, 12 varsh ki ayu tak mrityu bhaya, ka adhyayan karte samay lagna/lagnesh tatha chandra ko sabse adhik mahatwa diya jata hai. Yadi lagna aur lagnesh shubh sthan par stitha hon aur vah kisi pap grah se aakrant nah on sath hi Chandra bhi shubh bhav mein sthit ho to balarisht nahi hota,arthat 12 varsh tak mrityu bhaya nahi hota. > Jyotish mein trikon bhavon, 1, 5 , 9 ko bahut shubh mana hai jaise ki trik bhavon, 6, 8, 12 ko ashubh. Atah 5ve bhav mein stitha Chandra shubh grah hone ke saath-saath shubh bhav mein stitha mana jayega. Jab Chandra 5 mein ho aur soorya 11 mein ho to janma pooranmasi ka hoga jis samay poornima ka Chandra poorna bali hoga. > Trikon mein sthita poonam ka poorna bali Chandra kundali ke sabhi balarishta doshon ko dho dalega. Jatak ko koi bhi balarishta jab tak nahi hoga jab tak ki lagna aur lagnesh dono hi pap grahon se aakrant na hon. Yeh to rahi Chandra 5 aur balarishta par vedic jyotish ke vichar ki. > 5 mein baitha poorn bali shubh Chandra kya putrahantaa hoga? Kya jatak ke putra santaan nahi hogi? Kam se kam vedic jyotish ke anusar yah sahi nahi lagta. 5 mein baithe Chandra ke karan pahli santaan putri ho ye to sambhav hai lekin putra hon hi nahi yah sambhav nahi lagata. Jab mamta mayee saakshat ma , vah bhi poorn bali hokar 5 mein baithi ho to bhala vah putra santaan ko haani kaise pahuncha sakti hai. > Sa adar > Anand Swaroop > > > , " heartzthief54 " <heartzthief54@> wrote: > > > > Gill Sahib, > > > > Baat kuchh hadh tak aapki theek hai,lekin aisa kya ho jata hai Chander > > ko khana no 5 mein ki (jatak kee)umar sirf 12 saal hee reh jati ya aulad > > hee nahi hoti. > > > > Balki agar gaur se dekha jaye to Aulad ka khana (5) Chnader se roshan ho > > raha hai,aisee halat mein Suraj ne khana no 11 mein aa ke kya kiya hai > > kee umar ya aulad se mahroom kar deta hai.Yehi soch ka vishay hai. > > > > Mein bhee aapki tarah LAL KITAB par kintu parantu nahi karta/chahta ya > > shayad mein aapse zyada hee LAL KITAB ka mureed hoon. LAL KITAB mein jo > > kuchh likha gaya hai sahi hai lekin uska bhee logic hai , lekin yahan > > par kya logic hai ussi ko dekhna hai aap bhee koshish karein mein bhee > > karta hoon, kuchh na kuchh natiza zaroor niklega/nikaloonga aisa mera > > vishvas hai. > > > > MAHAJAN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " gill_hs2005 " > > <gill_hs2005@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Dr. Bhooshan Priya ji, > > > > > > Since no satisfactory logical explanation seems to have been found > > then in such matters one should have faith in the book and accept it as > > to be true. > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > HS Gill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " " > > @ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Singh sa'ab, > > > > > > > > For moon in the 5th house the Lal Kitab says: > > > > > > > > " mata va nar aulad par bura asar na hoga,khwah papi grahon ka saath > > ho. > > > > nar aulad 5 se kam na hogi " [1942ed; page 138] > > > > > > > > The same as above [1941 ed; page 82] > > > > > > > > The same as above [ 1952 ed; page 391; note # 7 ; 'ketu umda ho' > > added] > > > > > > > > Therefore the moon does not deny 'nar aulad' on the contrary it > > > > promises at least five of them if the ketu is well placed. > > > > > > > > The question is : > > > > > > > > What happens to the 5th moon who promises male progeny when the sun > > gets > > > > placed in the 11th house, such that the same moon results in ' nar > > aulad > > > > nadarad' or born as 'murda laash' > > > > > > > > God bless you > > > > > > > > Bhooshan Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rpsingh2710 " > > > > <rpsingh2710@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Respected Bhooshan ji, > > > > > > > > > > A person with a moon in the 5th house is likely to have daughters > > > > because it is a stree grah. He may not have a son. May be it is this > > the > > > > Lal Kitab wants to say. > > > > > Very respectfully, > > > > > > > > > > RP Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " " > > > > @ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pt. Umesh ji, Vipin ji, Kulbir ji, Mahajan ji, Leekha ji, > > Pradeep > > > > Sharma > > > > > > ji, Dr Kapatjal ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear LK scholars, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you please help me in decyphering an LK edict. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the context of Sun in the 11th house on page 351 of 1952 > > edition > > > > it > > > > > > is said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Paanch chander de umra jo 12, aulad paida na hoti ho " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is further explained on page 353 as: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " umra 12 sal jab nar grah saath saathi ya madad par na hon, > > > > > > aulad-nareena ki paidayash nadaarad ya murda laash hi paida > > hogi " [ > > > > > > chander no 5 ] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the same context in the 1942 ed on page 124, it says: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Chander ho jab panchve baitha, saal 12 mein marta ho " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no mention of progeny `nadarad' or progeny as > > > > > > `murda laash' except that " sanichar ki khurak ya mandi > > > > > > cheezon ke istemal se aulad ki tabahi ka hukma sadir kar dega " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [The mention of `nadarad' or `murda laash' progeny is > > > > > > added in the 1952 ed.] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A result similar to 1942 ed has been mentioned in the 1941 ed on > > > > page > > > > > > 70. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " chander ho jab panchve baitha, saal 12 mein martaa ho " [ 1941; > > > > > > page 70] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Similar result is also said in 1940 ed page 142 " umra 12 saal > > > > > > hove " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now the riddle about the Moon in the 5th when the sun is in the > > 11th > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ 1 ] concerning death at the age of 12 : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon is `aayu karak' so much so that even if it is placed in the > > > > > > 8th house `mrityu sthan' it promises a long life " Chandra > > > > > > 8ve khwah sab haare, par na haare umra ko " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [a] How come the same Moon when placed in the 5th house, the > > house > > > > > > associated with its friends sun and jupiter can give horrific > > result > > > > of > > > > > > causing early death at the age of 12? > > > > > > > > > > > > Neither the 5th house nor the 11th house are associated with > > > > death, > > > > > > then how does death get predicted ? > > > > > > > > > > > > [c] The figure of 12 is the nisfa [ half] of moon's year of 24, > > but > > > > > > the half of moon's year will not get justified till it is proved > > > > > > that the moon placed in the 5th will cause death. > > > > > > > > > > > > [d] Moon in the 5th and the sun in the 11th are not associated > > > > through > > > > > > aspect, they are not associated with each other in any other > > way, > > > > then > > > > > > how death is predicted as a result of two unrelated planets. [ > > 5th > > > > > > doesn't aspect the 11th; the 11th doesn't aspect the 5th] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ 2 ] concerning progeny 'nadarad' or as 'murda laash' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no mention of `aulaad nadarad' or `murda laash' > > > > > > in the context of progeny in the earlier editions. It gets a > > mention > > > > > > only in the 1952 edition. > > > > > > > > > > > > [a] The 5th house is associated with progeny. But could a planet > > > > like > > > > > > moon [mother of planets], placed in the house of its friends, > > give > > > > such > > > > > > a horrific result of no progeny or at best a dead fetus? > > > > > > > > > > > > When there is no relationship between the sun and the moon > > in > > > > this > > > > > > context, then how can any affliction to sun, of what ever > > nature, > > > > > > influence the moon? > > > > > > > > > > > > [c] What makes moon [ the mother ] eat progeny when in the 5th? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can some one please help us understand this riddle? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With respect, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhooshan Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 dear Bhooshan ji The bhed of this moon 5th and sun 10/11 the shortage of age granted lies part A: refer to aapsi greho ka prabhav dekhney ka dhang, Khana no 3/11/5/9/11 ka aapsi perbhav, here it says if papi in 5th and shatru or mandey in 8th then house no 11th stars will start giving bad effect like thunder lightening=stop= the following line are of concern, yadi khana no 10 aur 5 mein koi na koi greh bethey hon to dono gharo key greh aapsi dushmani pey hongey. and the example of freindly stars mars and moon is also given. so the moon in 5th alone is not bad until unless sun is in house no 10th or 11th. The biggest question is why sun only. why not other nar grehs. i feel this question and answer section is going to give new dimensions. regards, - In , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > Respected Swaroop ji, > > Thank you so much for presenting the Vedic astrology perspective. Your view is well taken. > > Hope you will continue enlightening us in the future also. > > Regards, > > Varun Trivedi > , " anand_jotish " <anand_jotish@> wrote: > > > > Aadarneey Jyotirvid vrnda > > > > > > Vedic jyotish mein balarishta, 12 varsh ki ayu tak mrityu bhaya, ka adhyayan karte samay lagna/lagnesh tatha chandra ko sabse adhik mahatwa diya jata hai. Yadi lagna aur lagnesh shubh sthan par stitha hon aur vah kisi pap grah se aakrant nah on sath hi Chandra bhi shubh bhav mein sthit ho to balarisht nahi hota,arthat 12 varsh tak mrityu bhaya nahi hota. > > Jyotish mein trikon bhavon, 1, 5 , 9 ko bahut shubh mana hai jaise ki trik bhavon, 6, 8, 12 ko ashubh. Atah 5ve bhav mein stitha Chandra shubh grah hone ke saath-saath shubh bhav mein stitha mana jayega. Jab Chandra 5 mein ho aur soorya 11 mein ho to janma pooranmasi ka hoga jis samay poornima ka Chandra poorna bali hoga. > > Trikon mein sthita poonam ka poorna bali Chandra kundali ke sabhi balarishta doshon ko dho dalega. Jatak ko koi bhi balarishta jab tak nahi hoga jab tak ki lagna aur lagnesh dono hi pap grahon se aakrant na hon. Yeh to rahi Chandra 5 aur balarishta par vedic jyotish ke vichar ki. > > 5 mein baitha poorn bali shubh Chandra kya putrahantaa hoga? Kya jatak ke putra santaan nahi hogi? Kam se kam vedic jyotish ke anusar yah sahi nahi lagta. 5 mein baithe Chandra ke karan pahli santaan putri ho ye to sambhav hai lekin putra hon hi nahi yah sambhav nahi lagata. Jab mamta mayee saakshat ma , vah bhi poorn bali hokar 5 mein baithi ho to bhala vah putra santaan ko haani kaise pahuncha sakti hai. > > Sa adar > > Anand Swaroop > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " heartzthief54 " <heartzthief54@> wrote: > > > > > > Gill Sahib, > > > > > > Baat kuchh hadh tak aapki theek hai,lekin aisa kya ho jata hai Chander > > > ko khana no 5 mein ki (jatak kee)umar sirf 12 saal hee reh jati ya aulad > > > hee nahi hoti. > > > > > > Balki agar gaur se dekha jaye to Aulad ka khana (5) Chnader se roshan ho > > > raha hai,aisee halat mein Suraj ne khana no 11 mein aa ke kya kiya hai > > > kee umar ya aulad se mahroom kar deta hai.Yehi soch ka vishay hai. > > > > > > Mein bhee aapki tarah LAL KITAB par kintu parantu nahi karta/chahta ya > > > shayad mein aapse zyada hee LAL KITAB ka mureed hoon. LAL KITAB mein jo > > > kuchh likha gaya hai sahi hai lekin uska bhee logic hai , lekin yahan > > > par kya logic hai ussi ko dekhna hai aap bhee koshish karein mein bhee > > > karta hoon, kuchh na kuchh natiza zaroor niklega/nikaloonga aisa mera > > > vishvas hai. > > > > > > MAHAJAN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " gill_hs2005 " > > > <gill_hs2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Dr. Bhooshan Priya ji, > > > > > > > > Since no satisfactory logical explanation seems to have been found > > > then in such matters one should have faith in the book and accept it as > > > to be true. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > HS Gill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " " > > > @ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Singh sa'ab, > > > > > > > > > > For moon in the 5th house the Lal Kitab says: > > > > > > > > > > " mata va nar aulad par bura asar na hoga,khwah papi grahon ka saath > > > ho. > > > > > nar aulad 5 se kam na hogi " [1942ed; page 138] > > > > > > > > > > The same as above [1941 ed; page 82] > > > > > > > > > > The same as above [ 1952 ed; page 391; note # 7 ; 'ketu umda ho' > > > added] > > > > > > > > > > Therefore the moon does not deny 'nar aulad' on the contrary it > > > > > promises at least five of them if the ketu is well placed. > > > > > > > > > > The question is : > > > > > > > > > > What happens to the 5th moon who promises male progeny when the sun > > > gets > > > > > placed in the 11th house, such that the same moon results in ' nar > > > aulad > > > > > nadarad' or born as 'murda laash' > > > > > > > > > > God bless you > > > > > > > > > > Bhooshan Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rpsingh2710 " > > > > > <rpsingh2710@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Bhooshan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > A person with a moon in the 5th house is likely to have daughters > > > > > because it is a stree grah. He may not have a son. May be it is this > > > the > > > > > Lal Kitab wants to say. > > > > > > Very respectfully, > > > > > > > > > > > > RP Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " " > > > > > @ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pt. Umesh ji, Vipin ji, Kulbir ji, Mahajan ji, Leekha ji, > > > Pradeep > > > > > Sharma > > > > > > > ji, Dr Kapatjal ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear LK scholars, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you please help me in decyphering an LK edict. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the context of Sun in the 11th house on page 351 of 1952 > > > edition > > > > > it > > > > > > > is said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Paanch chander de umra jo 12, aulad paida na hoti ho " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is further explained on page 353 as: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " umra 12 sal jab nar grah saath saathi ya madad par na hon, > > > > > > > aulad-nareena ki paidayash nadaarad ya murda laash hi paida > > > hogi " [ > > > > > > > chander no 5 ] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the same context in the 1942 ed on page 124, it says: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Chander ho jab panchve baitha, saal 12 mein marta ho " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no mention of progeny `nadarad' or progeny as > > > > > > > `murda laash' except that " sanichar ki khurak ya mandi > > > > > > > cheezon ke istemal se aulad ki tabahi ka hukma sadir kar dega " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [The mention of `nadarad' or `murda laash' progeny is > > > > > > > added in the 1952 ed.] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A result similar to 1942 ed has been mentioned in the 1941 ed on > > > > > page > > > > > > > 70. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " chander ho jab panchve baitha, saal 12 mein martaa ho " [ 1941; > > > > > > > page 70] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Similar result is also said in 1940 ed page 142 " umra 12 saal > > > > > > > hove " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now the riddle about the Moon in the 5th when the sun is in the > > > 11th > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ 1 ] concerning death at the age of 12 : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon is `aayu karak' so much so that even if it is placed in the > > > > > > > 8th house `mrityu sthan' it promises a long life " Chandra > > > > > > > 8ve khwah sab haare, par na haare umra ko " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [a] How come the same Moon when placed in the 5th house, the > > > house > > > > > > > associated with its friends sun and jupiter can give horrific > > > result > > > > > of > > > > > > > causing early death at the age of 12? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neither the 5th house nor the 11th house are associated with > > > > > death, > > > > > > > then how does death get predicted ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [c] The figure of 12 is the nisfa [ half] of moon's year of 24, > > > but > > > > > > > the half of moon's year will not get justified till it is proved > > > > > > > that the moon placed in the 5th will cause death. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [d] Moon in the 5th and the sun in the 11th are not associated > > > > > through > > > > > > > aspect, they are not associated with each other in any other > > > way, > > > > > then > > > > > > > how death is predicted as a result of two unrelated planets. [ > > > 5th > > > > > > > doesn't aspect the 11th; the 11th doesn't aspect the 5th] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ 2 ] concerning progeny 'nadarad' or as 'murda laash' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no mention of `aulaad nadarad' or `murda laash' > > > > > > > in the context of progeny in the earlier editions. It gets a > > > mention > > > > > > > only in the 1952 edition. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [a] The 5th house is associated with progeny. But could a planet > > > > > like > > > > > > > moon [mother of planets], placed in the house of its friends, > > > give > > > > > such > > > > > > > a horrific result of no progeny or at best a dead fetus? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When there is no relationship between the sun and the moon > > > in > > > > > this > > > > > > > context, then how can any affliction to sun, of what ever > > > nature, > > > > > > > influence the moon? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [c] What makes moon [ the mother ] eat progeny when in the 5th? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can some one please help us understand this riddle? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With respect, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhooshan Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 Dear Leekha ji, Many thanks for your input. I hope you will keep a look out for horoscopes with moon and sun in the 5/11 axis and verify for yourself whether the results mentioned turn out to be true or not. Sincerely, Bhooshan Priya , " sleekhas " <sleekhas wrote: > > dear Bhooshan ji > > The bhed of this moon 5th and sun 10/11 the shortage of age granted lies > > part A: refer to aapsi greho ka prabhav dekhney ka dhang, Khana no 3/11/5/9/11 ka aapsi perbhav, > > here it says if papi in 5th and shatru or mandey in 8th then house no 11th stars will start giving bad effect like thunder lightening=stop= > > the following line are of concern, > > yadi khana no 10 aur 5 mein koi na koi greh bethey hon to dono gharo key greh aapsi dushmani pey hongey. > > and the example of freindly stars mars and moon is also given. > > so the moon in 5th alone is not bad until unless sun is in house no 10th or 11th. > > The biggest question is why sun only. why not other nar grehs. > > i feel this question and answer section is going to give new dimensions. > > regards, > > > > > > - In , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > Respected Swaroop ji, > > > > Thank you so much for presenting the Vedic astrology perspective. Your view is well taken. > > > > Hope you will continue enlightening us in the future also. > > > > Regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " anand_jotish " <anand_jotish@> wrote: > > > > > > Aadarneey Jyotirvid vrnda > > > > > > > > > Vedic jyotish mein balarishta, 12 varsh ki ayu tak mrityu bhaya, ka adhyayan karte samay lagna/lagnesh tatha chandra ko sabse adhik mahatwa diya jata hai. Yadi lagna aur lagnesh shubh sthan par stitha hon aur vah kisi pap grah se aakrant nah on sath hi Chandra bhi shubh bhav mein sthit ho to balarisht nahi hota,arthat 12 varsh tak mrityu bhaya nahi hota. > > > Jyotish mein trikon bhavon, 1, 5 , 9 ko bahut shubh mana hai jaise ki trik bhavon, 6, 8, 12 ko ashubh. Atah 5ve bhav mein stitha Chandra shubh grah hone ke saath-saath shubh bhav mein stitha mana jayega. Jab Chandra 5 mein ho aur soorya 11 mein ho to janma pooranmasi ka hoga jis samay poornima ka Chandra poorna bali hoga. > > > Trikon mein sthita poonam ka poorna bali Chandra kundali ke sabhi balarishta doshon ko dho dalega. Jatak ko koi bhi balarishta jab tak nahi hoga jab tak ki lagna aur lagnesh dono hi pap grahon se aakrant na hon. Yeh to rahi Chandra 5 aur balarishta par vedic jyotish ke vichar ki. > > > 5 mein baitha poorn bali shubh Chandra kya putrahantaa hoga? Kya jatak ke putra santaan nahi hogi? Kam se kam vedic jyotish ke anusar yah sahi nahi lagta. 5 mein baithe Chandra ke karan pahli santaan putri ho ye to sambhav hai lekin putra hon hi nahi yah sambhav nahi lagata. Jab mamta mayee saakshat ma , vah bhi poorn bali hokar 5 mein baithi ho to bhala vah putra santaan ko haani kaise pahuncha sakti hai. > > > Sa adar > > > Anand Swaroop > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " heartzthief54 " <heartzthief54@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Gill Sahib, > > > > > > > > Baat kuchh hadh tak aapki theek hai,lekin aisa kya ho jata hai Chander > > > > ko khana no 5 mein ki (jatak kee)umar sirf 12 saal hee reh jati ya aulad > > > > hee nahi hoti. > > > > > > > > Balki agar gaur se dekha jaye to Aulad ka khana (5) Chnader se roshan ho > > > > raha hai,aisee halat mein Suraj ne khana no 11 mein aa ke kya kiya hai > > > > kee umar ya aulad se mahroom kar deta hai.Yehi soch ka vishay hai. > > > > > > > > Mein bhee aapki tarah LAL KITAB par kintu parantu nahi karta/chahta ya > > > > shayad mein aapse zyada hee LAL KITAB ka mureed hoon. LAL KITAB mein jo > > > > kuchh likha gaya hai sahi hai lekin uska bhee logic hai , lekin yahan > > > > par kya logic hai ussi ko dekhna hai aap bhee koshish karein mein bhee > > > > karta hoon, kuchh na kuchh natiza zaroor niklega/nikaloonga aisa mera > > > > vishvas hai. > > > > > > > > MAHAJAN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " gill_hs2005 " > > > > <gill_hs2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dr. Bhooshan Priya ji, > > > > > > > > > > Since no satisfactory logical explanation seems to have been found > > > > then in such matters one should have faith in the book and accept it as > > > > to be true. > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > HS Gill > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " " > > > > @ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Singh sa'ab, > > > > > > > > > > > > For moon in the 5th house the Lal Kitab says: > > > > > > > > > > > > " mata va nar aulad par bura asar na hoga,khwah papi grahon ka saath > > > > ho. > > > > > > nar aulad 5 se kam na hogi " [1942ed; page 138] > > > > > > > > > > > > The same as above [1941 ed; page 82] > > > > > > > > > > > > The same as above [ 1952 ed; page 391; note # 7 ; 'ketu umda ho' > > > > added] > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore the moon does not deny 'nar aulad' on the contrary it > > > > > > promises at least five of them if the ketu is well placed. > > > > > > > > > > > > The question is : > > > > > > > > > > > > What happens to the 5th moon who promises male progeny when the sun > > > > gets > > > > > > placed in the 11th house, such that the same moon results in ' nar > > > > aulad > > > > > > nadarad' or born as 'murda laash' > > > > > > > > > > > > God bless you > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhooshan Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " rpsingh2710 " > > > > > > <rpsingh2710@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Bhooshan ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A person with a moon in the 5th house is likely to have daughters > > > > > > because it is a stree grah. He may not have a son. May be it is this > > > > the > > > > > > Lal Kitab wants to say. > > > > > > > Very respectfully, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RP Singh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " " > > > > > > @ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pt. Umesh ji, Vipin ji, Kulbir ji, Mahajan ji, Leekha ji, > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > Sharma > > > > > > > > ji, Dr Kapatjal ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear LK scholars, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you please help me in decyphering an LK edict. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the context of Sun in the 11th house on page 351 of 1952 > > > > edition > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > is said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Paanch chander de umra jo 12, aulad paida na hoti ho " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is further explained on page 353 as: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " umra 12 sal jab nar grah saath saathi ya madad par na hon, > > > > > > > > aulad-nareena ki paidayash nadaarad ya murda laash hi paida > > > > hogi " [ > > > > > > > > chander no 5 ] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the same context in the 1942 ed on page 124, it says: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Chander ho jab panchve baitha, saal 12 mein marta ho " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no mention of progeny `nadarad' or progeny as > > > > > > > > `murda laash' except that " sanichar ki khurak ya mandi > > > > > > > > cheezon ke istemal se aulad ki tabahi ka hukma sadir kar dega " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [The mention of `nadarad' or `murda laash' progeny is > > > > > > > > added in the 1952 ed.] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A result similar to 1942 ed has been mentioned in the 1941 ed on > > > > > > page > > > > > > > > 70. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " chander ho jab panchve baitha, saal 12 mein martaa ho " [ 1941; > > > > > > > > page 70] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Similar result is also said in 1940 ed page 142 " umra 12 saal > > > > > > > > hove " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now the riddle about the Moon in the 5th when the sun is in the > > > > 11th > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ 1 ] concerning death at the age of 12 : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon is `aayu karak' so much so that even if it is placed in the > > > > > > > > 8th house `mrityu sthan' it promises a long life " Chandra > > > > > > > > 8ve khwah sab haare, par na haare umra ko " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [a] How come the same Moon when placed in the 5th house, the > > > > house > > > > > > > > associated with its friends sun and jupiter can give horrific > > > > result > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > causing early death at the age of 12? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Neither the 5th house nor the 11th house are associated with > > > > > > death, > > > > > > > > then how does death get predicted ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [c] The figure of 12 is the nisfa [ half] of moon's year of 24, > > > > but > > > > > > > > the half of moon's year will not get justified till it is proved > > > > > > > > that the moon placed in the 5th will cause death. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [d] Moon in the 5th and the sun in the 11th are not associated > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > aspect, they are not associated with each other in any other > > > > way, > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > how death is predicted as a result of two unrelated planets. [ > > > > 5th > > > > > > > > doesn't aspect the 11th; the 11th doesn't aspect the 5th] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ 2 ] concerning progeny 'nadarad' or as 'murda laash' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no mention of `aulaad nadarad' or `murda laash' > > > > > > > > in the context of progeny in the earlier editions. It gets a > > > > mention > > > > > > > > only in the 1952 edition. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [a] The 5th house is associated with progeny. But could a planet > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > moon [mother of planets], placed in the house of its friends, > > > > give > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > a horrific result of no progeny or at best a dead fetus? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When there is no relationship between the sun and the moon > > > > in > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > context, then how can any affliction to sun, of what ever > > > > nature, > > > > > > > > influence the moon? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [c] What makes moon [ the mother ] eat progeny when in the 5th? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can some one please help us understand this riddle? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With respect, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhooshan Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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