LK Scholars : Could you help me please ?

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Pt. Umesh ji, Vipin Shukla ji, Kulbir ji, Mahajan ji, Leekha ji, Pradeep Sharma ji, Dr Kapatjal ji

 

Dear LK scholars,

 

I have not been able to reconcile two contradictory statements regarding Jupiter in the Lal Kitab. Could you please help me reconcile them logically?

 

" Brahaspati no. 2 aur khana 8 ke khali ke waqt par Brahaspati manda hi hoga, ya Brahaspati ki hawa mandi aandhi hogi jo har tarah ka nuksaan karegi" [ 1952 urdu ed; page 60; note # 3 ]

 

`When the Jupiter is in the 2nd house while the 8th house is unoccupied, Jupiter will be `manda' [malefic]; in other words the air of Jupiter will be a malefic storm [mandi aandhi] which will do damage/harm in all forms [ har tarah ka nuksaan]

 

Later the Book says :

 

" guru jagat ghar doosara ho". The line is over marked with [2] for a footnote which says

 

"[2] jab tak no. 8 khali barhaspati ka roohani asar uttam hoga" [ 1952 urdu ed; page 239; note# 2 ]

 

"when the Jupiter is in the 2nd" so long as the 8th is unoccupied the roohani asar [spiritual/metaphysical effect] of the Jupiter will be good.

 

The first statement quoted above says `Brahaspati ki hawa mandi aandhi hogi jo har tarah ka nuksaan karegi'. This is an all inclusive blanket statement. There are no exceptions mentioned.

Where as the second statement talks of `roohani asar uttam hoga'.

 

[ 1 ] What makes this `roohani asar' to be good in spite of `har tarah ka nuksaan'?

[ 2 ] What spares the `Roohani asar' from being adversely affected?

[ 3 ] Why doesn't the ` mandi hawa ki aandhi' of Jupiter affect the ` roohani' aspect of the native?

 

Hoping for help from all of you to understand this dichotomy.

 

God bless you

 

Bhooshan Priya

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Adarneeya Sir,

 

Mein vedic jyotish ka vidhyarthi hoon tatha Lalkitab mein meri ruchi hai. Ap ki

samsya ke samadhan ka yeh ek prayas hai

 

Mujhe aisa lagata hai ki jab adarneeya pt. Roopchand ji ek taraf Brahaspati ke

mande hone ki bat karte hain aur doosari tarf Brahaspati ke roohani asar ke

uttam bane rahne ki bat karte hain, to sambhavtah pandit ji Brahaspati ke sthool

aur sookshm pahaloo ko dhyan mein rakhkar kar rahe hain. Brahaspati ke sthool

swaroop ke karak pita,guru,vriddhjan, yash, maan-samman ityadi hain, yeh sabhi

sansarik mamlen hain. Aur Brahaspati ke sookshm swaroop ke karak adhyatmikta,

adhyatmik chintan, adhyatmik pravrirti, fakkadpan,faqeeri, sadhu swabhav ityadi

hai.

Doosare bhav mein baitha brahaspati supta avastha mein hoga agar 8va bhav khali

ho. Magar dekhana yah hai ki Brahaspati ka kuan sa paksha supta hoga, sthool

ya sookshma.

Sthool jad hai aur sookshma chetan. Jo chetan hai wah kabhi nahi sota aur jo jad

hai wah supt ho sakta hai. Isliye jab Brahaspati 2 mein ho aur 8 khali ho to

Brahaspati ka sthool ya jad ansha supt ho sakta hai, chetan ya sookshma ansha

jagrit hi rahega.

 

shayad isi liye pt. Roopchand ji ne kaha ki doosare bhav mein baitha Brahaspati

jab bhav 8 khali ho to sansarik mamlon ke liye manda ho bhi jaye parantu

adhyatmik mamlon mein uska prabhav uttam hi rahega.

 

Sneh akankshi

 

Anand

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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< wrote:

>

>

> Pt. Umesh ji, Vipin Shukla ji, Kulbir ji, Mahajan ji, Leekha ji,

> Pradeep Sharma ji, Dr Kapatjal ji

>

>

>

> Dear LK scholars,

>

>

>

> I have not been able to reconcile two contradictory statements regarding

> Jupiter in the Lal Kitab. Could you please help me reconcile them

> logically?

>

>

>

> " Brahaspati no. 2 aur khana 8 ke khali ke waqt par Brahaspati

> manda hi hoga, ya Brahaspati ki hawa mandi aandhi hogi jo har tarah ka

> nuksaan karegi " [ 1952 urdu ed; page 60; note # 3 ]

>

>

>

> `When the Jupiter is in the 2nd house while the 8th house is

> unoccupied, Jupiter will be `manda' [malefic]; in other words

> the air of Jupiter will be a malefic storm [mandi aandhi] which will do

> damage/harm in all forms [ har tarah ka nuksaan]

>

>

>

> Later the Book says :

>

>

>

> " guru jagat ghar doosara ho " . The line is over marked with [2]

> for a footnote which says

>

>

>

> " [2] jab tak no. 8 khali barhaspati ka roohani asar uttam hoga "

> [ 1952 urdu ed; page 239; note# 2 ]

>

>

>

> " when the Jupiter is in the 2nd " so long as the 8th is

> unoccupied the roohani asar [spiritual/metaphysical effect] of the

> Jupiter will be good.

>

>

>

> The first statement quoted above says `Brahaspati ki hawa mandi

> aandhi hogi jo har tarah ka nuksaan karegi'. This is an all

> inclusive blanket statement. There are no exceptions mentioned.

>

> Where as the second statement talks of `roohani asar uttam

> hoga'.

>

>

>

> [ 1 ] What makes this `roohani asar' to be good in spite of

> `har tarah ka nuksaan'?

>

> [ 2 ] What spares the `Roohani asar' from being adversely

> affected?

>

> [ 3 ] Why doesn't the ` mandi hawa ki aandhi' of Jupiter

> affect the ` roohani' aspect of the native?

>

>

>

> Hoping for help from all of you to understand this dichotomy.

>

>

>

> God bless you

>

>

>

> Bhooshan Priya

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Anand ji,

 

An excellent insight. Yes, this could be one of the explanations.

 

Thank you so much.

 

I hope you will continue participating actively in the group.

 

God bless you

 

Bhooshan Priya

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " anand_jotish " <anand_jotish

wrote:

>

> Adarneeya Sir,

>

> Mein vedic jyotish ka vidhyarthi hoon tatha Lalkitab mein meri ruchi hai. Ap

ki samsya ke samadhan ka yeh ek prayas hai

>

> Mujhe aisa lagata hai ki jab adarneeya pt. Roopchand ji ek taraf Brahaspati ke

mande hone ki bat karte hain aur doosari tarf Brahaspati ke roohani asar ke

uttam bane rahne ki bat karte hain, to sambhavtah pandit ji Brahaspati ke sthool

aur sookshm pahaloo ko dhyan mein rakhkar kar rahe hain. Brahaspati ke sthool

swaroop ke karak pita,guru,vriddhjan, yash, maan-samman ityadi hain, yeh sabhi

sansarik mamlen hain. Aur Brahaspati ke sookshm swaroop ke karak adhyatmikta,

adhyatmik chintan, adhyatmik pravrirti, fakkadpan,faqeeri, sadhu swabhav ityadi

hai.

> Doosare bhav mein baitha brahaspati supta avastha mein hoga agar 8va bhav

khali ho. Magar dekhana yah hai ki Brahaspati ka kuan sa paksha supta hoga,

sthool ya sookshma.

> Sthool jad hai aur sookshma chetan. Jo chetan hai wah kabhi nahi sota aur jo

jad hai wah supt ho sakta hai. Isliye jab Brahaspati 2 mein ho aur 8 khali ho to

Brahaspati ka sthool ya jad ansha supt ho sakta hai, chetan ya sookshma ansha

jagrit hi rahega.

>

> shayad isi liye pt. Roopchand ji ne kaha ki doosare bhav mein baitha

Brahaspati jab bhav 8 khali ho to sansarik mamlon ke liye manda ho bhi jaye

parantu adhyatmik mamlon mein uska prabhav uttam hi rahega.

>

> Sneh akankshi

>

> Anand

>

>

>

>

, " "

<@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Pt. Umesh ji, Vipin Shukla ji, Kulbir ji, Mahajan ji, Leekha ji,

> > Pradeep Sharma ji, Dr Kapatjal ji

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear LK scholars,

> >

> >

> >

> > I have not been able to reconcile two contradictory statements regarding

> > Jupiter in the Lal Kitab. Could you please help me reconcile them

> > logically?

> >

> >

> >

> > " Brahaspati no. 2 aur khana 8 ke khali ke waqt par Brahaspati

> > manda hi hoga, ya Brahaspati ki hawa mandi aandhi hogi jo har tarah ka

> > nuksaan karegi " [ 1952 urdu ed; page 60; note # 3 ]

> >

> >

> >

> > `When the Jupiter is in the 2nd house while the 8th house is

> > unoccupied, Jupiter will be `manda' [malefic]; in other words

> > the air of Jupiter will be a malefic storm [mandi aandhi] which will do

> > damage/harm in all forms [ har tarah ka nuksaan]

> >

> >

> >

> > Later the Book says :

> >

> >

> >

> > " guru jagat ghar doosara ho " . The line is over marked with [2]

> > for a footnote which says

> >

> >

> >

> > " [2] jab tak no. 8 khali barhaspati ka roohani asar uttam hoga "

> > [ 1952 urdu ed; page 239; note# 2 ]

> >

> >

> >

> > " when the Jupiter is in the 2nd " so long as the 8th is

> > unoccupied the roohani asar [spiritual/metaphysical effect] of the

> > Jupiter will be good.

> >

> >

> >

> > The first statement quoted above says `Brahaspati ki hawa mandi

> > aandhi hogi jo har tarah ka nuksaan karegi'. This is an all

> > inclusive blanket statement. There are no exceptions mentioned.

> >

> > Where as the second statement talks of `roohani asar uttam

> > hoga'.

> >

> >

> >

> > [ 1 ] What makes this `roohani asar' to be good in spite of

> > `har tarah ka nuksaan'?

> >

> > [ 2 ] What spares the `Roohani asar' from being adversely

> > affected?

> >

> > [ 3 ] Why doesn't the ` mandi hawa ki aandhi' of Jupiter

> > affect the ` roohani' aspect of the native?

> >

> >

> >

> > Hoping for help from all of you to understand this dichotomy.

> >

> >

> >

> > God bless you

> >

> >

> >

> > Bhooshan Priya

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Adarneeya Bhooshan sir ji,

 

Ap ke sneh ke liye kratagya hun. mein samay-samay par bahas mein bhag leta

rahoonga.

apka sneh aur ashirvad sadaiv bana rahe.

Anand

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " "

< wrote:

>

> Dear Anand ji,

>

> An excellent insight. Yes, this could be one of the explanations.

>

> Thank you so much.

>

> I hope you will continue participating actively in the group.

>

> God bless you

>

> Bhooshan Priya

, " anand_jotish " <anand_jotish@>

wrote:

> >

> > Adarneeya Sir,

> >

> > Mein vedic jyotish ka vidhyarthi hoon tatha Lalkitab mein meri ruchi hai. Ap

ki samsya ke samadhan ka yeh ek prayas hai

> >

> > Mujhe aisa lagata hai ki jab adarneeya pt. Roopchand ji ek taraf Brahaspati

ke mande hone ki bat karte hain aur doosari tarf Brahaspati ke roohani asar ke

uttam bane rahne ki bat karte hain, to sambhavtah pandit ji Brahaspati ke sthool

aur sookshm pahaloo ko dhyan mein rakhkar kar rahe hain. Brahaspati ke sthool

swaroop ke karak pita,guru,vriddhjan, yash, maan-samman ityadi hain, yeh sabhi

sansarik mamlen hain. Aur Brahaspati ke sookshm swaroop ke karak adhyatmikta,

adhyatmik chintan, adhyatmik pravrirti, fakkadpan,faqeeri, sadhu swabhav ityadi

hai.

> > Doosare bhav mein baitha brahaspati supta avastha mein hoga agar 8va bhav

khali ho. Magar dekhana yah hai ki Brahaspati ka kuan sa paksha supta hoga,

sthool ya sookshma.

> > Sthool jad hai aur sookshma chetan. Jo chetan hai wah kabhi nahi sota aur jo

jad hai wah supt ho sakta hai. Isliye jab Brahaspati 2 mein ho aur 8 khali ho to

Brahaspati ka sthool ya jad ansha supt ho sakta hai, chetan ya sookshma ansha

jagrit hi rahega.

> >

> > shayad isi liye pt. Roopchand ji ne kaha ki doosare bhav mein baitha

Brahaspati jab bhav 8 khali ho to sansarik mamlon ke liye manda ho bhi jaye

parantu adhyatmik mamlon mein uska prabhav uttam hi rahega.

> >

> > Sneh akankshi

> >

> > Anand

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " "

<@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Pt. Umesh ji, Vipin Shukla ji, Kulbir ji, Mahajan ji, Leekha ji,

> > > Pradeep Sharma ji, Dr Kapatjal ji

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear LK scholars,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I have not been able to reconcile two contradictory statements regarding

> > > Jupiter in the Lal Kitab. Could you please help me reconcile them

> > > logically?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > " Brahaspati no. 2 aur khana 8 ke khali ke waqt par Brahaspati

> > > manda hi hoga, ya Brahaspati ki hawa mandi aandhi hogi jo har tarah ka

> > > nuksaan karegi " [ 1952 urdu ed; page 60; note # 3 ]

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > `When the Jupiter is in the 2nd house while the 8th house is

> > > unoccupied, Jupiter will be `manda' [malefic]; in other words

> > > the air of Jupiter will be a malefic storm [mandi aandhi] which will do

> > > damage/harm in all forms [ har tarah ka nuksaan]

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Later the Book says :

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > " guru jagat ghar doosara ho " . The line is over marked with [2]

> > > for a footnote which says

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > " [2] jab tak no. 8 khali barhaspati ka roohani asar uttam hoga "

> > > [ 1952 urdu ed; page 239; note# 2 ]

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > " when the Jupiter is in the 2nd " so long as the 8th is

> > > unoccupied the roohani asar [spiritual/metaphysical effect] of the

> > > Jupiter will be good.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > The first statement quoted above says `Brahaspati ki hawa mandi

> > > aandhi hogi jo har tarah ka nuksaan karegi'. This is an all

> > > inclusive blanket statement. There are no exceptions mentioned.

> > >

> > > Where as the second statement talks of `roohani asar uttam

> > > hoga'.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > [ 1 ] What makes this `roohani asar' to be good in spite of

> > > `har tarah ka nuksaan'?

> > >

> > > [ 2 ] What spares the `Roohani asar' from being adversely

> > > affected?

> > >

> > > [ 3 ] Why doesn't the ` mandi hawa ki aandhi' of Jupiter

> > > affect the ` roohani' aspect of the native?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hoping for help from all of you to understand this dichotomy.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > God bless you

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Bhooshan Priya

> > >

> >

>