Impontancy of Husband.

August 26, 2009

Respected Jain saheb,

Since you claim to have seen " that some girls get impotant Husband because of

Grah combination in their horoscope. "

Could you please share with us those Grah combinations which lead a girl to

marry an impotant man?

Regards,

Varun Trivedi

, " M.K. Jain " <mkjain47 wrote:

>

> Respected Sirs,

> Sadar Namaskar.

>

> It is seen that some girl gets Impotance Husband because of Grah combination

in their horoscope.

>

> If possible please give your comments on following :-

>

> 1. Due to grah combination .The girl will get Impotance Husband .

> 2.Due to grah combination of the girl.The normal person will became impotance

to fulfill the requirement of wife's horoscope.

> 3.After second marrage of Girl .Whether Girl will get normal husband or

condition will be same with other one also.

>

> Thanks.

>

> m.k.jain

>

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August 31, 2009

Respected Varun ji,

Sadar Namaskar,

As desired please find birth details as given below:-

dob:27-07-1980,tob:08:30am,pob:Jabalpur(MP)

m.k.jain

varun_trvd <varun_trvd Sent: Wednesday, 26 August, 2009 7:31:54 PMLK discussion group Re: Impontancy of Husband.

Respected Jain saheb,Since you claim to have seen " that some girls get impotant Husband because of Grah combination in their horoscope."Could you please share with us those Grah combinations which lead a girl to marry an impotant man?Regards,Varun Trivedi , "M.K. Jain" <mkjain47@.. .> wrote:>> Respected Sirs,> Sadar Namaskar.> > It is seen that some girl gets Impotance Husband because of Grah combination in their horoscope.> > If possible please give your comments on following :->

> 1. Due to grah combination .The girl will get Impotance Husband .> 2.Due to grah combination of the girl.The normal person will became impotance to fulfill the requirement of wife's horoscope.> 3.After second marrage of Girl .Whether Girl will get normal husband or condition will be same with other one also. > > Thanks.> > m.k.jain> > > See the Web & #39;s breaking stories, chosen by people like you. Check out Buzz. http://in.buzz. />

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August 31, 2009

Respected Jain Saheb,

Giving birth details alone will not do.

Since you seem to know the planets or their combinations which indicate marriage

to an impotant man, you have to tell which planet or planetary combination in

this horoscope indicates that this lady will get married to an impotant man.

Regards,

Varun Trivedi

, " M.K. Jain " <mkjain47 wrote:

>

> Respected Varun ji,

> Sadar Namaskar,

>

> As desired please find birth details as given below:-

>

> dob:27-07-1980,tob:08:30am,pob:Jabalpur(MP)

>

> m.k.jain

>

> ï¿½

>

> ________________________________

> varun_trvd <varun_trvd

>

> Wednesday, 26 August, 2009 7:31:54 PM

> LK discussion group Re: Impontancy of Husband.

>

> ï¿½

> Respected Jain saheb,

>

> Since you claim to have seen " that some girls get impotant Husband because of

Grah combination in their horoscope. "

>

> Could you please share with us those Grah combinations which lead a girl to

marry an impotant man?

>

> Regards,

>

> Varun Trivedi

>

> , " M.K. Jain " <mkjain47@ .> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Sirs,

> >

½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ Sadar Namaskar.

> >

> > It is seen that some girl gets Impotance Husband because of Grah combination

in their horoscope.

> >

> > If ï¿½possible please give your comments on following :-

> >

> > 1. Due to grah combination .The girl will getï¿½ï¿½Impotance Husband .

> > 2.Due to grah combination of the girl.The normal person will became

impotance to fulfill the requirement of wife's horoscope.

> > 3.After second marrage ofï¿½Girl .Whetherï¿½ Girl willï¿½ get normal husband

or condition will be same with other one also.ï¿½ï¿½

> >

> > Thanks.

> >

> > m.k.jain

> >

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August 31, 2009

Dear Jain Ji,

Kindly also submit the birth details of the husband and the date of

marriage for study.

Thankyou,

Best Wishes,

Vijay Goel

Jaipur

September 1, 2009

Respected Vijay ji,

The presence of two 'napunsak' planets mercury and Saturn together in the 7th

house of a lady could lead her to marry a person who might be impotant or might

have some genital malfunction.

Regards,

Varun Trivedi

, Vijay Goel <goyalvj wrote:

>

> Dear Jain Ji,

>

> Kindly also submit the birth details of the husband and the date of

> marriage for study.

>

> Thankyou,

> Best Wishes,

> Vijay Goel

> Jaipur

>

September 1, 2009

Respected Varunji,

Weak or highly afflicted venus, dominance of impotent planet like saturn

and mercury, influence of barren rasi like Virgo, Leo, Aquarius, if

related to 5H/L or 7H\L (or 9H\L for females) can create such a situation.

As per Jaimini system Arudha of 3rd and 9th house and its 2,12,6,8

relation with sun also arises such a situation.

In LK also i have heard some similar combination are mentioned but i am

not able to remember now.

But still with confidence it is difficult to say that husband will be

sure a impotent man.

This details of both charts of husband and wife will help us to do some

study. So i am asking from shri M P jain.

Thankyou,

Regards,

Vijay Goel

Jaipur.

September 1, 2009

Respected Vijay ji,

Let us not mix up 'barrenness' and 'impotancy'. They are entirely two different

physical conditions.

Sure, Lal Kitab has over a dozen planetary combinations indicating 'barrenness'.

If you want to go through them, then look up the files and there is an article

on progeny which you might be interested in. Soon Kulbir Bhai will come up with

a detailed article on progeny.

Here we are discussing what planetary combination in a girl's horoscope could

lead her to marry an impotant man, a man who is physically handicapped to

fertilise.

Regards,

Varun Trivedi

, Vijay Goel <goyalvj wrote:

>

> Respected Varunji,

>

> Weak or highly afflicted venus, dominance of impotent planet like saturn

> and mercury, influence of barren rasi like Virgo, Leo, Aquarius, if

> related to 5H/L or 7H\L (or 9H\L for females) can create such a situation.

> As per Jaimini system Arudha of 3rd and 9th house and its 2,12,6,8

> relation with sun also arises such a situation.

>

> In LK also i have heard some similar combination are mentioned but i am

> not able to remember now.

>

> But still with confidence it is difficult to say that husband will be

> sure a impotent man.

>

> This details of both charts of husband and wife will help us to do some

> study. So i am asking from shri M P jain.

>

> Thankyou,

> Regards,

> Vijay Goel

> Jaipur.

>

September 2, 2009

Respected Varunji & members,

I will go through the file section of LK combination. You have enriched this

file section with many more files.

I think 'Barrenness' is the term used for the infertility of females (inability

to conceive (egg) or bear (field) the child (mars is karak) and 'impotency' is

used for the infertility in males (weakness of semen (venus is karak)).

Both term is used for physical weakness and for this calculation 'Beeja spusta'

(Seed longitudes) for males and 'Shetra spusta' (Field longitude) for females is

advices in traditional astrology.

1)'Bheeja Spusta' add longitude of 'Sun + Jupiter + venus'.

2)'Shetra Spusta' add longitude of 'Moon + Jupiter + Mars'.

In the chart of female as provided by shri M P jain.

July 27, 1980

Time: 8:30:00

Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

Place: 79 E 57' 00 " , 23 N 10' 00 "

Jabalpur, India

SHESTRA SPUSTA (SS) comes in Scorpio 04:56:58.

scorpio is even and fruitful rasi aspected by Venus, also SS in Capricon

Navamsha so child bearing is possible.

Since Saturn is aspecting SS in rasi and in D9 saturn is in capricon, so delay

is seen.

Now

Husband Chart:

November 2, 1975

Time: 22:25:00

Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

Place: 77 E 13' 00 " , 28 N 40' 00 "

Delhi, India

BEEJA SPUSTA IS : Pisces 09:18:54.

Here beeja is in even rasi (it should be odd). Retro jupiter is there so

protection is highly reduced and 5th from their is saturn.

In D9 Beeja is in kanya Rasi with saturn in it.

So some long ailment could be possible.

-------

The above technique is used with other related factors to identify the problems,

such as condition of 5L\H or 9L\H etc.

Thanking you,

Regards,

Vijay Goel

Jaipur.

, " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote:

>

> Respected Vijay ji,

>

> Let us not mix up 'barrenness' and 'impotancy'. They are entirely two

different physical conditions.

>

> Sure, Lal Kitab has over a dozen planetary combinations indicating

'barrenness'. If you want to go through them, then look up the files and there

is an article on progeny which you might be interested in. Soon Kulbir Bhai will

come up with a detailed article on progeny.

>

> Here we are discussing what planetary combination in a girl's horoscope could

lead her to marry an impotant man, a man who is physically handicapped to

fertilise.

>

> Regards,

>

> Varun Trivedi

>

, Vijay Goel <goyalvj@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Varunji,

> >

> > Weak or highly afflicted venus, dominance of impotent planet like saturn

> > and mercury, influence of barren rasi like Virgo, Leo, Aquarius, if

> > related to 5H/L or 7H\L (or 9H\L for females) can create such a situation.

> > As per Jaimini system Arudha of 3rd and 9th house and its 2,12,6,8

> > relation with sun also arises such a situation.

> >

> > In LK also i have heard some similar combination are mentioned but i am

> > not able to remember now.

> >

> > But still with confidence it is difficult to say that husband will be

> > sure a impotent man.

> >

> > This details of both charts of husband and wife will help us to do some

> > study. So i am asking from shri M P jain.

> >

> > Thankyou,

> > Regards,

> > Vijay Goel

> > Jaipur.

> >

>

September 3, 2009

Respected Vijay ji,

The method of 'beej spashtha' and 'kshetra spashtha' to ascertain the viability

of progeny is a very well known and often used tool.This is the first excercise

any one would do in the case of a childless couple.

Secondly, I would prefer studying D7 for the progeny instead of D9.

The 'beej spashtha' and 'kshetra spashtha' technique can be applied only after

marriage when the kundali of the husband is also available, because then only

the beej spashtha can be found.

What we are discussing here is that ' are there some planetary combinations in

the horoscope of the girl which could indicate that she is likely to marry a

person who will be impotant?'

In other words can it be found from the horoscope of a girl that she is destined

to marry an impotant man? [ no horoscope of husband yet]

I knew of one such combination [ a possibility if two napunsak grah are in her

7th house] which I had already shared.

If you are aware of any such planetary combinations, please share with us.

Regards,

Varun Trivedi

, " vijay.goel " <goyalvj wrote:

>

> Respected Varunji & members,

>

> I will go through the file section of LK combination. You have enriched this

file section with many more files.

>

> I think 'Barrenness' is the term used for the infertility of females

(inability to conceive (egg) or bear (field) the child (mars is karak) and

'impotency' is used for the infertility in males (weakness of semen (venus is

karak)).

>

> Both term is used for physical weakness and for this calculation 'Beeja

spusta' (Seed longitudes) for males and 'Shetra spusta' (Field longitude) for

females is advices in traditional astrology.

>

> 1)'Bheeja Spusta' add longitude of 'Sun + Jupiter + venus'.

> 2)'Shetra Spusta' add longitude of 'Moon + Jupiter + Mars'.

>

> In the chart of female as provided by shri M P jain.

> July 27, 1980

> Time: 8:30:00

> Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> Place: 79 E 57' 00 " , 23 N 10' 00 "

> Jabalpur, India

>

> SHESTRA SPUSTA (SS) comes in Scorpio 04:56:58.

> scorpio is even and fruitful rasi aspected by Venus, also SS in Capricon

Navamsha so child bearing is possible.

> Since Saturn is aspecting SS in rasi and in D9 saturn is in capricon, so delay

is seen.

>

> Now

> Husband Chart:

> November 2, 1975

> Time: 22:25:00

> Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> Place: 77 E 13' 00 " , 28 N 40' 00 "

> Delhi, India

>

> BEEJA SPUSTA IS : Pisces 09:18:54.

>

> Here beeja is in even rasi (it should be odd). Retro jupiter is there so

protection is highly reduced and 5th from their is saturn.

> In D9 Beeja is in kanya Rasi with saturn in it.

> So some long ailment could be possible.

>

> -------

>

> The above technique is used with other related factors to identify the

problems, such as condition of 5L\H or 9L\H etc.

>

> Thanking you,

> Regards,

> Vijay Goel

> Jaipur.

>

, " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Vijay ji,

> >

> > Let us not mix up 'barrenness' and 'impotancy'. They are entirely two

different physical conditions.

> >

> > Sure, Lal Kitab has over a dozen planetary combinations indicating

'barrenness'. If you want to go through them, then look up the files and there

is an article on progeny which you might be interested in. Soon Kulbir Bhai will

come up with a detailed article on progeny.

> >

> > Here we are discussing what planetary combination in a girl's horoscope

could lead her to marry an impotant man, a man who is physically handicapped to

fertilise.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Varun Trivedi

> >

> > , Vijay Goel <goyalvj@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Varunji,

> > >

> > > Weak or highly afflicted venus, dominance of impotent planet like saturn

> > > and mercury, influence of barren rasi like Virgo, Leo, Aquarius, if

> > > related to 5H/L or 7H\L (or 9H\L for females) can create such a situation.

> > > As per Jaimini system Arudha of 3rd and 9th house and its 2,12,6,8

> > > relation with sun also arises such a situation.

> > >

> > > In LK also i have heard some similar combination are mentioned but i am

> > > not able to remember now.

> > >

> > > But still with confidence it is difficult to say that husband will be

> > > sure a impotent man.

> > >

> > > This details of both charts of husband and wife will help us to do some

> > > study. So i am asking from shri M P jain.

> > >

> > > Thankyou,

> > > Regards,

> > > Vijay Goel

> > > Jaipur.

> > >

> >

>

September 3, 2009

Dear Varunji,

I have replied in details by the taking both the charts of shri Jain's examples,

but it does not appeared on this board.

Where does it lost ?

Best Wishes,

Vijay Goel

Jaipur.

, " M.K. Jain " <mkjain47 wrote:

>

> Respected Vijay Goyal ji & Varun ji,

> ï¿½

>

>

> As desired the birth details of boy is:dob-02-11-1975,tob:-10:25pm,pob:Delhi.

>

> Date of their Marrage is -18-04-2004.

>

> m.k.jain

>

> ________________________________

> Vijay Goel <goyalvj

> ; mkjain47

> Monday, 31 August, 2009 7:22:07 PM

> LK discussion group Re: Impontancy of Husband.

>

> ï¿½

> Dear Jain Ji,

>

> Kindly also submit the birth details of the husband and the date of

> marriage for study.

>

> Thankyou,

> Best Wishes,

> Vijay Goel

> Jaipur

>

> See the Web & #39;s breaking stories, chosen by people like you. Check out

Buzz. http://in.buzz./

>

September 3, 2009

Respected Vijay ji,

The message you had posted is not lost. You seem to have missed reading it. It

is message # 4554 on the board.

I am waiting for your response to my message # 4556.

Regards,

Varun Trivedi

, " vijay.goel " <goyalvj wrote:

>

> Dear Varunji,

>

> I have replied in details by the taking both the charts of shri Jain's

examples, but it does not appeared on this board.

>

> Where does it lost ?

>

> Best Wishes,

> Vijay Goel

> Jaipur.

>

> , " M.K. Jain " <mkjain47@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Vijay Goyal ji & Varun ji,

> > ï¿½

> >

> >

> > As desired the birth details of boy

is:dob-02-11-1975,tob:-10:25pm,pob:Delhi.

> >

> > Date of their Marrage is -18-04-2004.

> >

> > m.k.jain

> >

> > ________________________________

> > Vijay Goel <goyalvj@>

> > ; mkjain47@

> > Monday, 31 August, 2009 7:22:07 PM

> > LK discussion group Re: Impontancy of Husband.

> >

> > ï¿½

> > Dear Jain Ji,

> >

> > Kindly also submit the birth details of the husband and the date of

> > marriage for study.

> >

> > Thankyou,

> > Best Wishes,

> > Vijay Goel

> > Jaipur

> >

> > See the Web & #39;s breaking stories, chosen by people like you. Check

out Buzz. http://in.buzz./

> >

>

September 5, 2009

Respected Varunji,

Namaskar,

//What we are discussing here is that ' are there some planetary combinations in

the horoscope of the girl which could indicate that she is likely to marry a

person who will be impotant?'

......

I knew of one such combination [ a possibility if two napunsak grah are in her

7th house] which I had already shared.

//

One classical combination for Napunshak greh.

1)If saturn & mercury, both is in 7th house, Native marries with a already

earlier married spouse. {This could means that the spouse could be divorcee in

legal terms.} [Jatak Tatwam sloke no 116]

This same result is also with saturn + moon in 7th house. If rahu in 7th than

marriage with the widow\ widower.

2)If saturn is in lagna in Jal tattwa rasis in the last nakshatra pada, &

aspected by venus from 7th house, spouse could be impotent\barren.[Jatak Tattwa

sloke no 110]

3)If 3rd lord and Venus is in 6th house, than spouse could be impotent\barren. [

jatak tattwa sloke 115]

We see that in kal-purush kundli venus gets debilitated in 6th house.

In the female horoscope example given by shri M p jain, we see that 3rd lord

venus is debilitated in Navamsha fulfilling the the main theme of this above

point number 3.

---------------

All above classical combination must be seen in navamsha as per my thinking,

considering many other factors simultaneously.

There are many more combination in other classical works, but more research in

this field is needed.

Thankyou,

Best Wishes,

Vijay Goel

Jaipur.

, " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote:

>

> Respected Vijay ji,

>

> The method of 'beej spashtha' and 'kshetra spashtha' to ascertain the

viability of progeny is a very well known and often used tool.This is the first

excercise any one would do in the case of a childless couple.

>

> Secondly, I would prefer studying D7 for the progeny instead of D9.

>

> The 'beej spashtha' and 'kshetra spashtha' technique can be applied only after

marriage when the kundali of the husband is also available, because then only

the beej spashtha can be found.

>

> What we are discussing here is that ' are there some planetary combinations in

the horoscope of the girl which could indicate that she is likely to marry a

person who will be impotant?'

>

> In other words can it be found from the horoscope of a girl that she is

destined to marry an impotant man? [ no horoscope of husband yet]

>

> I knew of one such combination [ a possibility if two napunsak grah are in her

7th house] which I had already shared.

>

> If you are aware of any such planetary combinations, please share with us.

>

> Regards,

>

> Varun Trivedi

>

, " vijay.goel " <goyalvj@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Varunji & members,

> >

> > I will go through the file section of LK combination. You have enriched this

file section with many more files.

> >

> > I think 'Barrenness' is the term used for the infertility of females

(inability to conceive (egg) or bear (field) the child (mars is karak) and

'impotency' is used for the infertility in males (weakness of semen (venus is

karak)).

> >

> > Both term is used for physical weakness and for this calculation 'Beeja

spusta' (Seed longitudes) for males and 'Shetra spusta' (Field longitude) for

females is advices in traditional astrology.

> >

> > 1)'Bheeja Spusta' add longitude of 'Sun + Jupiter + venus'.

> > 2)'Shetra Spusta' add longitude of 'Moon + Jupiter + Mars'.

> >

> > In the chart of female as provided by shri M P jain.

> > July 27, 1980

> > Time: 8:30:00

> > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > Place: 79 E 57' 00 " , 23 N 10' 00 "

> > Jabalpur, India

> >

> > SHESTRA SPUSTA (SS) comes in Scorpio 04:56:58.

> > scorpio is even and fruitful rasi aspected by Venus, also SS in Capricon

Navamsha so child bearing is possible.

> > Since Saturn is aspecting SS in rasi and in D9 saturn is in capricon, so

delay is seen.

> >

> > Now

> > Husband Chart:

> > November 2, 1975

> > Time: 22:25:00

> > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > Place: 77 E 13' 00 " , 28 N 40' 00 "

> > Delhi, India

> >

> > BEEJA SPUSTA IS : Pisces 09:18:54.

> >

> > Here beeja is in even rasi (it should be odd). Retro jupiter is there so

protection is highly reduced and 5th from their is saturn.

> > In D9 Beeja is in kanya Rasi with saturn in it.

> > So some long ailment could be possible.

> >

> > -------

> >

> > The above technique is used with other related factors to identify the

problems, such as condition of 5L\H or 9L\H etc.

> >

> > Thanking you,

> > Regards,

> > Vijay Goel

> > Jaipur.

> >

> > , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Vijay ji,

> > >

> > > Let us not mix up 'barrenness' and 'impotancy'. They are entirely two

different physical conditions.

> > >

> > > Sure, Lal Kitab has over a dozen planetary combinations indicating

'barrenness'. If you want to go through them, then look up the files and there

is an article on progeny which you might be interested in. Soon Kulbir Bhai will

come up with a detailed article on progeny.

> > >

> > > Here we are discussing what planetary combination in a girl's horoscope

could lead her to marry an impotant man, a man who is physically handicapped to

fertilise.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Varun Trivedi

> > >

> > > , Vijay Goel <goyalvj@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Varunji,

> > > >

> > > > Weak or highly afflicted venus, dominance of impotent planet like saturn

> > > > and mercury, influence of barren rasi like Virgo, Leo, Aquarius, if

> > > > related to 5H/L or 7H\L (or 9H\L for females) can create such a

situation.

> > > > As per Jaimini system Arudha of 3rd and 9th house and its 2,12,6,8

> > > > relation with sun also arises such a situation.

> > > >

> > > > In LK also i have heard some similar combination are mentioned but i am

> > > > not able to remember now.

> > > >

> > > > But still with confidence it is difficult to say that husband will be

> > > > sure a impotent man.

> > > >

> > > > This details of both charts of husband and wife will help us to do some

> > > > study. So i am asking from shri M P jain.

> > > >

> > > > Thankyou,

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Vijay Goel

> > > > Jaipur.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

September 6, 2009

Respected Vijay ji,

In our library we have ' Jatak Tatvam' By Mahadev; translated by V. Subramanya

Shastri published in 1941. It is in Sanskrit with English translation. It

consists of 376 pages.

I was looking for the Shloks you have quoted. I could not find them.

Could you help me find them?

The book consists of 5 chapters [ tatva ]. Which tatva or chapter these shlok

have been quoted from?

Regards,

Varun Trivedi

, " vijay.goel " <goyalvj wrote:

>

> Respected Varunji,

>

> Namaskar,

>

> //What we are discussing here is that ' are there some planetary combinations

in the horoscope of the girl which could indicate that she is likely to marry a

person who will be impotant?'

> .....

> I knew of one such combination [ a possibility if two napunsak grah are in

her 7th house] which I had already shared.

> //

>

> One classical combination for Napunshak greh.

>

> 1)If saturn & mercury, both is in 7th house, Native marries with a already

earlier married spouse. {This could means that the spouse could be divorcee in

legal terms.} [Jatak Tatwam sloke no 116]

> This same result is also with saturn + moon in 7th house. If rahu in 7th than

marriage with the widow\ widower.

>

> 2)If saturn is in lagna in Jal tattwa rasis in the last nakshatra pada, &

aspected by venus from 7th house, spouse could be impotent\barren.[Jatak Tattwa

sloke no 110]

>

> 3)If 3rd lord and Venus is in 6th house, than spouse could be impotent\barren.

[ jatak tattwa sloke 115]

> We see that in kal-purush kundli venus gets debilitated in 6th house.

>

> In the female horoscope example given by shri M p jain, we see that 3rd lord

venus is debilitated in Navamsha fulfilling the the main theme of this above

point number 3.

>

> ---------------

>

> All above classical combination must be seen in navamsha as per my thinking,

considering many other factors simultaneously.

>

> There are many more combination in other classical works, but more research in

this field is needed.

>

> Thankyou,

> Best Wishes,

> Vijay Goel

> Jaipur.

>

, " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Vijay ji,

> >

> > The method of 'beej spashtha' and 'kshetra spashtha' to ascertain the

viability of progeny is a very well known and often used tool.This is the first

excercise any one would do in the case of a childless couple.

> >

> > Secondly, I would prefer studying D7 for the progeny instead of D9.

> >

> > The 'beej spashtha' and 'kshetra spashtha' technique can be applied only

after marriage when the kundali of the husband is also available, because then

only the beej spashtha can be found.

> >

> > What we are discussing here is that ' are there some planetary combinations

in the horoscope of the girl which could indicate that she is likely to marry a

person who will be impotant?'

> >

> > In other words can it be found from the horoscope of a girl that she is

destined to marry an impotant man? [ no horoscope of husband yet]

> >

> > I knew of one such combination [ a possibility if two napunsak grah are in

her 7th house] which I had already shared.

> >

> > If you are aware of any such planetary combinations, please share with us.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Varun Trivedi

> >

> > , " vijay.goel " <goyalvj@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Varunji & members,

> > >

> > > I will go through the file section of LK combination. You have enriched

this file section with many more files.

> > >

> > > I think 'Barrenness' is the term used for the infertility of females

(inability to conceive (egg) or bear (field) the child (mars is karak) and

'impotency' is used for the infertility in males (weakness of semen (venus is

karak)).

> > >

> > > Both term is used for physical weakness and for this calculation 'Beeja

spusta' (Seed longitudes) for males and 'Shetra spusta' (Field longitude) for

females is advices in traditional astrology.

> > >

> > > 1)'Bheeja Spusta' add longitude of 'Sun + Jupiter + venus'.

> > > 2)'Shetra Spusta' add longitude of 'Moon + Jupiter + Mars'.

> > >

> > > In the chart of female as provided by shri M P jain.

> > > July 27, 1980

> > > Time: 8:30:00

> > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > Place: 79 E 57' 00 " , 23 N 10' 00 "

> > > Jabalpur, India

> > >

> > > SHESTRA SPUSTA (SS) comes in Scorpio 04:56:58.

> > > scorpio is even and fruitful rasi aspected by Venus, also SS in Capricon

Navamsha so child bearing is possible.

> > > Since Saturn is aspecting SS in rasi and in D9 saturn is in capricon, so

delay is seen.

> > >

> > > Now

> > > Husband Chart:

> > > November 2, 1975

> > > Time: 22:25:00

> > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > Place: 77 E 13' 00 " , 28 N 40' 00 "

> > > Delhi, India

> > >

> > > BEEJA SPUSTA IS : Pisces 09:18:54.

> > >

> > > Here beeja is in even rasi (it should be odd). Retro jupiter is there so

protection is highly reduced and 5th from their is saturn.

> > > In D9 Beeja is in kanya Rasi with saturn in it.

> > > So some long ailment could be possible.

> > >

> > > -------

> > >

> > > The above technique is used with other related factors to identify the

problems, such as condition of 5L\H or 9L\H etc.

> > >

> > > Thanking you,

> > > Regards,

> > > Vijay Goel

> > > Jaipur.

> > >

> > > , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Vijay ji,

> > > >

> > > > Let us not mix up 'barrenness' and 'impotancy'. They are entirely two

different physical conditions.

> > > >

> > > > Sure, Lal Kitab has over a dozen planetary combinations indicating

'barrenness'. If you want to go through them, then look up the files and there

is an article on progeny which you might be interested in. Soon Kulbir Bhai will

come up with a detailed article on progeny.

> > > >

> > > > Here we are discussing what planetary combination in a girl's horoscope

could lead her to marry an impotant man, a man who is physically handicapped to

fertilise.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > >

> > > > , Vijay Goel <goyalvj@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Varunji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Weak or highly afflicted venus, dominance of impotent planet like

saturn

> > > > > and mercury, influence of barren rasi like Virgo, Leo, Aquarius, if

> > > > > related to 5H/L or 7H\L (or 9H\L for females) can create such a

situation.

> > > > > As per Jaimini system Arudha of 3rd and 9th house and its 2,12,6,8

> > > > > relation with sun also arises such a situation.

> > > > >

> > > > > In LK also i have heard some similar combination are mentioned but i

am

> > > > > not able to remember now.

> > > > >

> > > > > But still with confidence it is difficult to say that husband will be

> > > > > sure a impotent man.

> > > > >

> > > > > This details of both charts of husband and wife will help us to do

some

> > > > > study. So i am asking from shri M P jain.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thankyou,

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Vijay Goel

> > > > > Jaipur.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

September 6, 2009

Dear Varunji,

Chapter 3rd Prakirn Tatvam, Saptam vivek, sloke number 110-116.

I hope you will get it.

The classical combination you are quoting of mer+ sat in 7th house for impotent

husband is in chapter 4,sloke number 16-17.

Thankyou,

Regards,

Vijay Goel

Jaipur.

, " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote:

>

> Respected Vijay ji,

>

> In our library we have ' Jatak Tatvam' By Mahadev; translated by V. Subramanya

Shastri published in 1941. It is in Sanskrit with English translation. It

consists of 376 pages.

>

> I was looking for the Shloks you have quoted. I could not find them.

> Could you help me find them?

>

> The book consists of 5 chapters [ tatva ]. Which tatva or chapter these shlok

have been quoted from?

>

> Regards,

>

> Varun Trivedi

>

, " vijay.goel " <goyalvj@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Varunji,

> >

> > Namaskar,

> >

> > //What we are discussing here is that ' are there some planetary

combinations in the horoscope of the girl which could indicate that she is

likely to marry a person who will be impotant?'

> > .....

> > I knew of one such combination [ a possibility if two napunsak grah are in

her 7th house] which I had already shared.

> > //

> >

> > One classical combination for Napunshak greh.

> >

> > 1)If saturn & mercury, both is in 7th house, Native marries with a already

earlier married spouse. {This could means that the spouse could be divorcee in

legal terms.} [Jatak Tatwam sloke no 116]

> > This same result is also with saturn + moon in 7th house. If rahu in 7th

than marriage with the widow\ widower.

> >

> > 2)If saturn is in lagna in Jal tattwa rasis in the last nakshatra pada, &

aspected by venus from 7th house, spouse could be impotent\barren.[Jatak Tattwa

sloke no 110]

> >

> > 3)If 3rd lord and Venus is in 6th house, than spouse could be

impotent\barren. [ jatak tattwa sloke 115]

> > We see that in kal-purush kundli venus gets debilitated in 6th house.

> >

> > In the female horoscope example given by shri M p jain, we see that 3rd lord

venus is debilitated in Navamsha fulfilling the the main theme of this above

point number 3.

> >

> > ---------------

> >

> > All above classical combination must be seen in navamsha as per my thinking,

considering many other factors simultaneously.

> >

> > There are many more combination in other classical works, but more research

in this field is needed.

> >

> > Thankyou,

> > Best Wishes,

> > Vijay Goel

> > Jaipur.

> >

> > , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Vijay ji,

> > >

> > > The method of 'beej spashtha' and 'kshetra spashtha' to ascertain the

viability of progeny is a very well known and often used tool.This is the first

excercise any one would do in the case of a childless couple.

> > >

> > > Secondly, I would prefer studying D7 for the progeny instead of D9.

> > >

> > > The 'beej spashtha' and 'kshetra spashtha' technique can be applied only

after marriage when the kundali of the husband is also available, because then

only the beej spashtha can be found.

> > >

> > > What we are discussing here is that ' are there some planetary

combinations in the horoscope of the girl which could indicate that she is

likely to marry a person who will be impotant?'

> > >

> > > In other words can it be found from the horoscope of a girl that she is

destined to marry an impotant man? [ no horoscope of husband yet]

> > >

> > > I knew of one such combination [ a possibility if two napunsak grah are in

her 7th house] which I had already shared.

> > >

> > > If you are aware of any such planetary combinations, please share with us.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Varun Trivedi

> > >

> > > , " vijay.goel " <goyalvj@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Varunji & members,

> > > >

> > > > I will go through the file section of LK combination. You have enriched

this file section with many more files.

> > > >

> > > > I think 'Barrenness' is the term used for the infertility of females

(inability to conceive (egg) or bear (field) the child (mars is karak) and

'impotency' is used for the infertility in males (weakness of semen (venus is

karak)).

> > > >

> > > > Both term is used for physical weakness and for this calculation 'Beeja

spusta' (Seed longitudes) for males and 'Shetra spusta' (Field longitude) for

females is advices in traditional astrology.

> > > >

> > > > 1)'Bheeja Spusta' add longitude of 'Sun + Jupiter + venus'.

> > > > 2)'Shetra Spusta' add longitude of 'Moon + Jupiter + Mars'.

> > > >

> > > > In the chart of female as provided by shri M P jain.

> > > > July 27, 1980

> > > > Time: 8:30:00

> > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > Place: 79 E 57' 00 " , 23 N 10' 00 "

> > > > Jabalpur, India

> > > >

> > > > SHESTRA SPUSTA (SS) comes in Scorpio 04:56:58.

> > > > scorpio is even and fruitful rasi aspected by Venus, also SS in Capricon

Navamsha so child bearing is possible.

> > > > Since Saturn is aspecting SS in rasi and in D9 saturn is in capricon, so

delay is seen.

> > > >

> > > > Now

> > > > Husband Chart:

> > > > November 2, 1975

> > > > Time: 22:25:00

> > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > Place: 77 E 13' 00 " , 28 N 40' 00 "

> > > > Delhi, India

> > > >

> > > > BEEJA SPUSTA IS : Pisces 09:18:54.

> > > >

> > > > Here beeja is in even rasi (it should be odd). Retro jupiter is there so

protection is highly reduced and 5th from their is saturn.

> > > > In D9 Beeja is in kanya Rasi with saturn in it.

> > > > So some long ailment could be possible.

> > > >

> > > > -------

> > > >

> > > > The above technique is used with other related factors to identify the

problems, such as condition of 5L\H or 9L\H etc.

> > > >

> > > > Thanking you,

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Vijay Goel

> > > > Jaipur.

> > > >

> > > > , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Vijay ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Let us not mix up 'barrenness' and 'impotancy'. They are entirely two

different physical conditions.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sure, Lal Kitab has over a dozen planetary combinations indicating

'barrenness'. If you want to go through them, then look up the files and there

is an article on progeny which you might be interested in. Soon Kulbir Bhai will

come up with a detailed article on progeny.

> > > > >

> > > > > Here we are discussing what planetary combination in a girl's

horoscope could lead her to marry an impotant man, a man who is physically

handicapped to fertilise.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > >

> > > > > , Vijay Goel <goyalvj@>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respected Varunji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Weak or highly afflicted venus, dominance of impotent planet like

saturn

> > > > > > and mercury, influence of barren rasi like Virgo, Leo, Aquarius, if

> > > > > > related to 5H/L or 7H\L (or 9H\L for females) can create such a

situation.

> > > > > > As per Jaimini system Arudha of 3rd and 9th house and its 2,12,6,8

> > > > > > relation with sun also arises such a situation.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In LK also i have heard some similar combination are mentioned but i

am

> > > > > > not able to remember now.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But still with confidence it is difficult to say that husband will

be

> > > > > > sure a impotent man.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This details of both charts of husband and wife will help us to do

some

> > > > > > study. So i am asking from shri M P jain.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thankyou,

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Vijay Goel

> > > > > > Jaipur.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

September 7, 2009

Respected Vijay ji,

I have just now uploaded the original shloks from Jatak Tatva 3rd Prakirna, 7th vivek, shlok 110 -116 through two files.

It is for every one to see that there is no mention of impotancy or barrenness in those shloks

On the contrary they mention that the woman will be " Jarini" an adultress ; or 'Kudara' of wicked disposition.

Regards,

Varun Trivedi

, "vijay.goel" <goyalvj wrote:>> Dear Varunji,> > Chapter 3rd Prakirn Tatvam, Saptam vivek, sloke number 110-116.> > I hope you will get it.> > The classical combination you are quoting of mer+ sat in 7th house for impotent husband is in chapter 4,sloke number 16-17.> > Thankyou,> Regards,> Vijay Goel> Jaipur.> > , "varun_trvd" varun_trvd@ wrote:> >> > Respected Vijay ji,> > > > In our library we have ' Jatak Tatvam' By Mahadev; translated by V. Subramanya Shastri published in 1941. It is in Sanskrit with English translation. It consists of 376 pages.> > > > I was looking for the Shloks you have quoted. I could not find them.> > Could you help me find them?> > > > The book consists of 5 chapters [ tatva ]. Which tatva or chapter these shlok have been quoted from?> > > > Regards,> > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "vijay.goel" <goyalvj@> wrote:> > >> > > Respected Varunji,> > >> > > Namaskar,> > >> > > //What we are discussing here is that ' are there some planetary combinations in the horoscope of the girl which could indicate that she is likely to marry a person who will be impotant?'> > > .....> > > I knew of one such combination [ a possibility if two napunsak grah are in her 7th house] which I had already shared.> > > //> > >> > > One classical combination for Napunshak greh.> > >> > > 1)If saturn & mercury, both is in 7th house, Native marries with a already earlier married spouse. {This could means that the spouse could be divorcee in legal terms.} [Jatak Tatwam sloke no 116]> > > This same result is also with saturn + moon in 7th house. If rahu in 7th than marriage with the widow\ widower.> > >> > > 2)If saturn is in lagna in Jal tattwa rasis in the last nakshatra pada, & aspected by venus from 7th house, spouse could be impotent\barren.[Jatak Tattwa sloke no 110]> > >> > > 3)If 3rd lord and Venus is in 6th house, than spouse could be impotent\barren. [ jatak tattwa sloke 115]> > > We see that in kal-purush kundli venus gets debilitated in 6th house.> > >> > > In the female horoscope example given by shri M p jain, we see that 3rd lord venus is debilitated in Navamsha fulfilling the the main theme of this above point number 3.> > >> > > ---------------> > >> > > All above classical combination must be seen in navamsha as per my thinking, considering many other factors simultaneously.> > >> > > There are many more combination in other classical works, but more research in this field is needed.> > >> > > Thankyou,> > > Best Wishes,> > > Vijay Goel> > > Jaipur.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , "varun_trvd" <varun_trvd@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Respected Vijay ji,> > > >> > > > The method of 'beej spashtha' and 'kshetra spashtha' to ascertain the viability of progeny is a very well known and often used tool.This is the first excercise any one would do in the case of a childless couple.> > > >> > > > Secondly, I would prefer studying D7 for the progeny instead of D9.> > > >> > > > The 'beej spashtha' and 'kshetra spashtha' technique can be applied only after marriage when the kundali of the husband is also available, because then only the beej spashtha can be found.> > > >> > > > What we are discussing here is that ' are there some planetary combinations in the horoscope of the girl which could indicate that she is likely to marry a person who will be impotant?'> > > >> > > > In other words can it be found from the horoscope of a girl that she is destined to marry an impotant man? [ no horoscope of husband yet]> > > >> > > > I knew of one such combination [ a possibility if two napunsak grah are in her 7th house] which I had already shared.> > > >> > > > If you are aware of any such planetary combinations, please share with us.> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > >> > > > Varun Trivedi> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , "vijay.goel" <goyalvj@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Respected Varunji & members,> > > > >> > > > > I will go through the file section of LK combination. You have enriched this file section with many more files.> > > > >> > > > > I think 'Barrenness' is the term used for the infertility of females (inability to conceive (egg) or bear (field) the child (mars is karak) and 'impotency' is used for the infertility in males (weakness of semen (venus is karak)).> > > > >> > > > > Both term is used for physical weakness and for this calculation 'Beeja spusta' (Seed longitudes) for males and 'Shetra spusta' (Field longitude) for females is advices in traditional astrology.> > > > >> > > > > 1)'Bheeja Spusta' add longitude of 'Sun + Jupiter + venus'.> > > > > 2)'Shetra Spusta' add longitude of 'Moon + Jupiter + Mars'.> > > > >> > > > > In the chart of female as provided by shri M P jain.> > > > > July 27, 1980> > > > > Time: 8:30:00> > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > Place: 79 E 57' 00", 23 N 10' 00"> > > > > Jabalpur, India> > > > >> > > > > SHESTRA SPUSTA (SS) comes in Scorpio 04:56:58.> > > > > scorpio is even and fruitful rasi aspected by Venus, also SS in Capricon Navamsha so child bearing is possible.> > > > > Since Saturn is aspecting SS in rasi and in D9 saturn is in capricon, so delay is seen.> > > > >> > > > > Now> > > > > Husband Chart:> > > > > November 2, 1975> > > > > Time: 22:25:00> > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > Place: 77 E 13' 00", 28 N 40' 00"> > > > > Delhi, India> > > > >> > > > > BEEJA SPUSTA IS : Pisces 09:18:54.> > > > >> > > > > Here beeja is in even rasi (it should be odd). Retro jupiter is there so protection is highly reduced and 5th from their is saturn.> > > > > In D9 Beeja is in kanya Rasi with saturn in it.> > > > > So some long ailment could be possible.> > > > >> > > > > -------> > > > >> > > > > The above technique is used with other related factors to identify the problems, such as condition of 5L\H or 9L\H etc.> > > > >> > > > > Thanking you,> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > Jaipur.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , "varun_trvd" <varun_trvd@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Respected Vijay ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > Let us not mix up 'barrenness' and 'impotancy'. They are entirely two different physical conditions.> > > > > >> > > > > > Sure, Lal Kitab has over a dozen planetary combinations indicating 'barrenness'. If you want to go through them, then look up the files and there is an article on progeny which you might be interested in. Soon Kulbir Bhai will come up with a detailed article on progeny.> > > > > >> > > > > > Here we are discussing what planetary combination in a girl's horoscope could lead her to marry an impotant man, a man who is physically handicapped to fertilise.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > , Vijay Goel <goyalvj@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Respected Varunji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Weak or highly afflicted venus, dominance of impotent planet like saturn> > > > > > > and mercury, influence of barren rasi like Virgo, Leo, Aquarius, if> > > > > > > related to 5H/L or 7H\L (or 9H\L for females) can create such a situation.> > > > > > > As per Jaimini system Arudha of 3rd and 9th house and its 2,12,6,8> > > > > > > relation with sun also arises such a situation.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > In LK also i have heard some similar combination are mentioned but i am> > > > > > > not able to remember now.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > But still with confidence it is difficult to say that husband will be> > > > > > > sure a impotent man.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > This details of both charts of husband and wife will help us to do some> > > > > > > study. So i am asking from shri M P jain.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thankyou,> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > > Jaipur.> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

September 7, 2009

Respected members,

When I said that I am aware of only one planetary combination which could lead a woman to marry an impotant [ kleeva] husband, I was refering to the Jatak Tatva by Mahadev; chapter 4 [stree jatak] ; shlok # 16.

I have uploaded the original shlok in the files for every one to read.

Regards,

Varun Trivedi

, "varun_trvd" <varun_trvd wrote:>> > Respected Vijay ji,> > I have just now uploaded the original shloks from Jatak Tatva 3rd> Prakirna, 7th vivek, shlok 110 -116 through two files.> > It is for every one to see that there is no mention of impotancy or> barrenness in those shloks> > On the contrary they mention that the woman will be " Jarini" an> adultress ; or 'Kudara' of wicked disposition.> > Regards,> > Varun Trivedi> > > > > > > > > > > > , "vijay.goel" goyalvj@> wrote:> >> > Dear Varunji,> >> > Chapter 3rd Prakirn Tatvam, Saptam vivek, sloke number 110-116.> >> > I hope you will get it.> >> > The classical combination you are quoting of mer+ sat in 7th house for> impotent husband is in chapter 4,sloke number 16-17.> >> > Thankyou,> > Regards,> > Vijay Goel> > Jaipur.> >> > , "varun_trvd" varun_trvd@> wrote:> > >> > > Respected Vijay ji,> > >> > > In our library we have ' Jatak Tatvam' By Mahadev; translated by V.> Subramanya Shastri published in 1941. It is in Sanskrit with English> translation. It consists of 376 pages.> > >> > > I was looking for the Shloks you have quoted. I could not find them.> > > Could you help me find them?> > >> > > The book consists of 5 chapters [ tatva ]. Which tatva or chapter> these shlok have been quoted from?> > >> > > Regards,> > >> > > Varun Trivedi> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , "vijay.goel" <goyalvj@>> wrote:> > > >> > > > Respected Varunji,> > > >> > > > Namaskar,> > > >> > > > //What we are discussing here is that ' are there some planetary> combinations in the horoscope of the girl which could indicate that she> is likely to marry a person who will be impotant?'> > > > .....> > > > I knew of one such combination [ a possibility if two napunsak> grah are in her 7th house] which I had already shared.> > > > //> > > >> > > > One classical combination for Napunshak greh.> > > >> > > > 1)If saturn & mercury, both is in 7th house, Native marries with a> already earlier married spouse. {This could means that the spouse could> be divorcee in legal terms.} [Jatak Tatwam sloke no 116]> > > > This same result is also with saturn + moon in 7th house. If rahu> in 7th than marriage with the widow\ widower.> > > >> > > > 2)If saturn is in lagna in Jal tattwa rasis in the last nakshatra> pada, & aspected by venus from 7th house, spouse could be> impotent\barren.[Jatak Tattwa sloke no 110]> > > >> > > > 3)If 3rd lord and Venus is in 6th house, than spouse could be> impotent\barren. [ jatak tattwa sloke 115]> > > > We see that in kal-purush kundli venus gets debilitated in 6th> house.> > > >> > > > In the female horoscope example given by shri M p jain, we see> that 3rd lord venus is debilitated in Navamsha fulfilling the the main> theme of this above point number 3.> > > >> > > > ---------------> > > >> > > > All above classical combination must be seen in navamsha as per my> thinking, considering many other factors simultaneously.> > > >> > > > There are many more combination in other classical works, but more> research in this field is needed.> > > >> > > > Thankyou,> > > > Best Wishes,> > > > Vijay Goel> > > > Jaipur.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , "varun_trvd"> <varun_trvd@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Respected Vijay ji,> > > > >> > > > > The method of 'beej spashtha' and 'kshetra spashtha' to> ascertain the viability of progeny is a very well known and often used> tool.This is the first excercise any one would do in the case of a> childless couple.> > > > >> > > > > Secondly, I would prefer studying D7 for the progeny instead of> D9.> > > > >> > > > > The 'beej spashtha' and 'kshetra spashtha' technique can be> applied only after marriage when the kundali of the husband is also> available, because then only the beej spashtha can be found.> > > > >> > > > > What we are discussing here is that ' are there some planetary> combinations in the horoscope of the girl which could indicate that she> is likely to marry a person who will be impotant?'> > > > >> > > > > In other words can it be found from the horoscope of a girl that> she is destined to marry an impotant man? [ no horoscope of husband yet]> > > > >> > > > > I knew of one such combination [ a possibility if two napunsak> grah are in her 7th house] which I had already shared.> > > > >> > > > > If you are aware of any such planetary combinations, please> share with us.> > > > >> > > > > Regards,> > > > >> > > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , "vijay.goel"> <goyalvj@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Respected Varunji & members,> > > > > >> > > > > > I will go through the file section of LK combination. You have> enriched this file section with many more files.> > > > > >> > > > > > I think 'Barrenness' is the term used for the infertility of> females (inability to conceive (egg) or bear (field) the child (mars is> karak) and 'impotency' is used for the infertility in males (weakness of> semen (venus is karak)).> > > > > >> > > > > > Both term is used for physical weakness and for this> calculation 'Beeja spusta' (Seed longitudes) for males and 'Shetra> spusta' (Field longitude) for females is advices in traditional> astrology.> > > > > >> > > > > > 1)'Bheeja Spusta' add longitude of 'Sun + Jupiter + venus'.> > > > > > 2)'Shetra Spusta' add longitude of 'Moon + Jupiter + Mars'.> > > > > >> > > > > > In the chart of female as provided by shri M P jain.> > > > > > July 27, 1980> > > > > > Time: 8:30:00> > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > Place: 79 E 57' 00", 23 N 10' 00"> > > > > > Jabalpur, India> > > > > >> > > > > > SHESTRA SPUSTA (SS) comes in Scorpio 04:56:58.> > > > > > scorpio is even and fruitful rasi aspected by Venus, also SS> in Capricon Navamsha so child bearing is possible.> > > > > > Since Saturn is aspecting SS in rasi and in D9 saturn is in> capricon, so delay is seen.> > > > > >> > > > > > Now> > > > > > Husband Chart:> > > > > > November 2, 1975> > > > > > Time: 22:25:00> > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > Place: 77 E 13' 00", 28 N 40' 00"> > > > > > Delhi, India> > > > > >> > > > > > BEEJA SPUSTA IS : Pisces 09:18:54.> > > > > >> > > > > > Here beeja is in even rasi (it should be odd). Retro jupiter> is there so protection is highly reduced and 5th from their is saturn.> > > > > > In D9 Beeja is in kanya Rasi with saturn in it.> > > > > > So some long ailment could be possible.> > > > > >> > > > > > -------> > > > > >> > > > > > The above technique is used with other related factors to> identify the problems, such as condition of 5L\H or 9L\H etc.> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanking you,> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > Jaipur.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > , "varun_trvd"> <varun_trvd@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Respected Vijay ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Let us not mix up 'barrenness' and 'impotancy'. They are> entirely two different physical conditions.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Sure, Lal Kitab has over a dozen planetary combinations> indicating 'barrenness'. If you want to go through them, then look up> the files and there is an article on progeny which you might be> interested in. Soon Kulbir Bhai will come up with a detailed article on> progeny.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Here we are discussing what planetary combination in a> girl's horoscope could lead her to marry an impotant man, a man who is> physically handicapped to fertilise.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > , Vijay Goel> <goyalvj@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Respected Varunji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Weak or highly afflicted venus, dominance of impotent> planet like saturn> > > > > > > > and mercury, influence of barren rasi like Virgo, Leo,> Aquarius, if> > > > > > > > related to 5H/L or 7H\L (or 9H\L for females) can create> such a situation.> > > > > > > > As per Jaimini system Arudha of 3rd and 9th house and its> 2,12,6,8> > > > > > > > relation with sun also arises such a situation.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > In LK also i have heard some similar combination are> mentioned but i am> > > > > > > > not able to remember now.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > But still with confidence it is difficult to say that> husband will be> > > > > > > > sure a impotent man.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > This details of both charts of husband and wife will help> us to do some> > > > > > > > study. So i am asking from shri M P jain.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Thankyou,> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > > > Jaipur.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

September 7, 2009

Dear Varunji,The slokes you have uploaded is not the slokes i am referring at. Atleast you should have match & verified the conditioned i have quoted in my previous mail.In my book, same slokes you have uploaded are present with different numbering. Read next 20 more slokes from your book you will get the combination i have quoted in the previous mail.The book I have is Jatak tattwa, Hindi commentary by Dr. Suresh Chandra Sastri, Rajan Publication.The slokes i have mentioned is present in page number 205-6 under the heading, "Rogini ya Viklangta Aadi Stree ke yog"Still if you don't find it, i will scan the page and mail it to you so that you can upload it for all other members.Thankyou,Best Wishes,Vijay GoelJaipur. , "varun_trvd" <varun_trvd wrote:>> > Respected Vijay ji,> > I have just now uploaded the original shloks from Jatak Tatva 3rd> Prakirna, 7th vivek, shlok 110 -116 through two files.> > It is for every one to see that there is no mention of impotancy or> barrenness in those shloks> > On the contrary they mention that the woman will be " Jarini" an> adultress ; or 'Kudara' of wicked disposition.> > Regards,> > Varun Trivedi> > > > > > > > > > > > , "vijay.goel" goyalvj@> wrote:> >> > Dear Varunji,> >> > Chapter 3rd Prakirn Tatvam, Saptam vivek, sloke number 110-116.> >> > I hope you will get it.> >> > The classical combination you are quoting of mer+ sat in 7th house for> impotent husband is in chapter 4,sloke number 16-17.> >> > Thankyou,> > Regards,> > Vijay Goel> > Jaipur.> >> > , "varun_trvd" varun_trvd@> wrote:> > >> > > Respected Vijay ji,> > >> > > In our library we have ' Jatak Tatvam' By Mahadev; translated by V.> Subramanya Shastri published in 1941. It is in Sanskrit with English> translation. It consists of 376 pages.> > >> > > I was looking for the Shloks you have quoted. I could not find them.> > > Could you help me find them?> > >> > > The book consists of 5 chapters [ tatva ]. Which tatva or chapter> these shlok have been quoted from?> > >> > > Regards,> > >> > > Varun Trivedi> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , "vijay.goel" <goyalvj@>> wrote:> > > >> > > > Respected Varunji,> > > >> > > > Namaskar,> > > >> > > > //What we are discussing here is that ' are there some planetary> combinations in the horoscope of the girl which could indicate that she> is likely to marry a person who will be impotant?'> > > > .....> > > > I knew of one such combination [ a possibility if two napunsak> grah are in her 7th house] which I had already shared.> > > > //> > > >> > > > One classical combination for Napunshak greh.> > > >> > > > 1)If saturn & mercury, both is in 7th house, Native marries with a> already earlier married spouse. {This could means that the spouse could> be divorcee in legal terms.} [Jatak Tatwam sloke no 116]> > > > This same result is also with saturn + moon in 7th house. If rahu> in 7th than marriage with the widow\ widower.> > > >> > > > 2)If saturn is in lagna in Jal tattwa rasis in the last nakshatra> pada, & aspected by venus from 7th house, spouse could be> impotent\barren.[Jatak Tattwa sloke no 110]> > > >> > > > 3)If 3rd lord and Venus is in 6th house, than spouse could be> impotent\barren. [ jatak tattwa sloke 115]> > > > We see that in kal-purush kundli venus gets debilitated in 6th> house.> > > >> > > > In the female horoscope example given by shri M p jain, we see> that 3rd lord venus is debilitated in Navamsha fulfilling the the main> theme of this above point number 3.> > > >> > > > ---------------> > > >> > > > All above classical combination must be seen in navamsha as per my> thinking, considering many other factors simultaneously.> > > >> > > > There are many more combination in other classical works, but more> research in this field is needed.> > > >> > > > Thankyou,> > > > Best Wishes,> > > > Vijay Goel> > > > Jaipur.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , "varun_trvd"> <varun_trvd@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Respected Vijay ji,> > > > >> > > > > The method of 'beej spashtha' and 'kshetra spashtha' to> ascertain the viability of progeny is a very well known and often used> tool.This is the first excercise any one would do in the case of a> childless couple.> > > > >> > > > > Secondly, I would prefer studying D7 for the progeny instead of> D9.> > > > >> > > > > The 'beej spashtha' and 'kshetra spashtha' technique can be> applied only after marriage when the kundali of the husband is also> available, because then only the beej spashtha can be found.> > > > >> > > > > What we are discussing here is that ' are there some planetary> combinations in the horoscope of the girl which could indicate that she> is likely to marry a person who will be impotant?'> > > > >> > > > > In other words can it be found from the horoscope of a girl that> she is destined to marry an impotant man? [ no horoscope of husband yet]> > > > >> > > > > I knew of one such combination [ a possibility if two napunsak> grah are in her 7th house] which I had already shared.> > > > >> > > > > If you are aware of any such planetary combinations, please> share with us.> > > > >> > > > > Regards,> > > > >> > > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , "vijay.goel"> <goyalvj@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Respected Varunji & members,> > > > > >> > > > > > I will go through the file section of LK combination. You have> enriched this file section with many more files.> > > > > >> > > > > > I think 'Barrenness' is the term used for the infertility of> females (inability to conceive (egg) or bear (field) the child (mars is> karak) and 'impotency' is used for the infertility in males (weakness of> semen (venus is karak)).> > > > > >> > > > > > Both term is used for physical weakness and for this> calculation 'Beeja spusta' (Seed longitudes) for males and 'Shetra> spusta' (Field longitude) for females is advices in traditional> astrology.> > > > > >> > > > > > 1)'Bheeja Spusta' add longitude of 'Sun + Jupiter + venus'.> > > > > > 2)'Shetra Spusta' add longitude of 'Moon + Jupiter + Mars'.> > > > > >> > > > > > In the chart of female as provided by shri M P jain.> > > > > > July 27, 1980> > > > > > Time: 8:30:00> > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > Place: 79 E 57' 00", 23 N 10' 00"> > > > > > Jabalpur, India> > > > > >> > > > > > SHESTRA SPUSTA (SS) comes in Scorpio 04:56:58.> > > > > > scorpio is even and fruitful rasi aspected by Venus, also SS> in Capricon Navamsha so child bearing is possible.> > > > > > Since Saturn is aspecting SS in rasi and in D9 saturn is in> capricon, so delay is seen.> > > > > >> > > > > > Now> > > > > > Husband Chart:> > > > > > November 2, 1975> > > > > > Time: 22:25:00> > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > Place: 77 E 13' 00", 28 N 40' 00"> > > > > > Delhi, India> > > > > >> > > > > > BEEJA SPUSTA IS : Pisces 09:18:54.> > > > > >> > > > > > Here beeja is in even rasi (it should be odd). Retro jupiter> is there so protection is highly reduced and 5th from their is saturn.> > > > > > In D9 Beeja is in kanya Rasi with saturn in it.> > > > > > So some long ailment could be possible.> > > > > >> > > > > > -------> > > > > >> > > > > > The above technique is used with other related factors to> identify the problems, such as condition of 5L\H or 9L\H etc.> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanking you,> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > Jaipur.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > , "varun_trvd"> <varun_trvd@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Respected Vijay ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Let us not mix up 'barrenness' and 'impotancy'. They are> entirely two different physical conditions.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Sure, Lal Kitab has over a dozen planetary combinations> indicating 'barrenness'. If you want to go through them, then look up> the files and there is an article on progeny which you might be> interested in. Soon Kulbir Bhai will come up with a detailed article on> progeny.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Here we are discussing what planetary combination in a> girl's horoscope could lead her to marry an impotant man, a man who is> physically handicapped to fertilise.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > , Vijay Goel> <goyalvj@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Respected Varunji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Weak or highly afflicted venus, dominance of impotent> planet like saturn> > > > > > > > and mercury, influence of barren rasi like Virgo, Leo,> Aquarius, if> > > > > > > > related to 5H/L or 7H\L (or 9H\L for females) can create> such a situation.> > > > > > > > As per Jaimini system Arudha of 3rd and 9th house and its> 2,12,6,8> > > > > > > > relation with sun also arises such a situation.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > In LK also i have heard some similar combination are> mentioned but i am> > > > > > > > not able to remember now.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > But still with confidence it is difficult to say that> husband will be> > > > > > > > sure a impotent man.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > This details of both charts of husband and wife will help> us to do some> > > > > > > > study. So i am asking from shri M P jain.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Thankyou,> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > > > Jaipur.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

September 7, 2009

Yeah, i have already stated in my previous mail about this reference.

Vijay Goel,

Jaipur.

, " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote:

>

> Respected members,

>

> When I said that I am aware of only one planetary combination which

> could lead a woman to marry an impotant [ kleeva] husband, I was

> refering to the Jatak Tatva by Mahadev; chapter 4 [stree jatak] ; shlok

> # 16.

>

> I have uploaded the original shlok in the files for every one to read.

>

> Regards,

>

> Varun Trivedi

>

, " varun_trvd "

> <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Vijay ji,

> >

> > I have just now uploaded the original shloks from Jatak Tatva 3rd

> > Prakirna, 7th vivek, shlok 110 -116 through two files.

> >

> > It is for every one to see that there is no mention of impotancy or

> > barrenness in those shloks

> >

> > On the contrary they mention that the woman will be " Jarini " an

> > adultress ; or 'Kudara' of wicked disposition.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Varun Trivedi

> >

> > , " vijay.goel " goyalvj@

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Varunji,

> > >

> > > Chapter 3rd Prakirn Tatvam, Saptam vivek, sloke number 110-116.

> > >

> > > I hope you will get it.

> > >

> > > The classical combination you are quoting of mer+ sat in 7th house

> for

> > impotent husband is in chapter 4,sloke number 16-17.

> > >

> > > Thankyou,

> > > Regards,

> > > Vijay Goel

> > > Jaipur.

> > >

> > > , " varun_trvd " varun_trvd@

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Vijay ji,

> > > >

> > > > In our library we have ' Jatak Tatvam' By Mahadev; translated by

> V.

> > Subramanya Shastri published in 1941. It is in Sanskrit with English

> > translation. It consists of 376 pages.

> > > >

> > > > I was looking for the Shloks you have quoted. I could not find

> them.

> > > > Could you help me find them?

> > > >

> > > > The book consists of 5 chapters [ tatva ]. Which tatva or chapter

> > these shlok have been quoted from?

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > >

> > > > , " vijay.goel "

> <goyalvj@>

> > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Varunji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaskar,

> > > > >

> > > > > //What we are discussing here is that ' are there some planetary

> > combinations in the horoscope of the girl which could indicate that

> she

> > is likely to marry a person who will be impotant?'

> > > > > .....

> > > > > I knew of one such combination [ a possibility if two napunsak

> > grah are in her 7th house] which I had already shared.

> > > > > //

> > > > >

> > > > > One classical combination for Napunshak greh.

> > > > >

> > > > > 1)If saturn & mercury, both is in 7th house, Native marries with

> a

> > already earlier married spouse. {This could means that the spouse

> could

> > be divorcee in legal terms.} [Jatak Tatwam sloke no 116]

> > > > > This same result is also with saturn + moon in 7th house. If

> rahu

> > in 7th than marriage with the widow\ widower.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2)If saturn is in lagna in Jal tattwa rasis in the last

> nakshatra

> > pada, & aspected by venus from 7th house, spouse could be

> > impotent\barren.[Jatak Tattwa sloke no 110]

> > > > >

> > > > > 3)If 3rd lord and Venus is in 6th house, than spouse could be

> > impotent\barren. [ jatak tattwa sloke 115]

> > > > > We see that in kal-purush kundli venus gets debilitated in 6th

> > house.

> > > > >

> > > > > In the female horoscope example given by shri M p jain, we see

> > that 3rd lord venus is debilitated in Navamsha fulfilling the the main

> > theme of this above point number 3.

> > > > >

> > > > > ---------------

> > > > >

> > > > > All above classical combination must be seen in navamsha as per

> my

> > thinking, considering many other factors simultaneously.

> > > > >

> > > > > There are many more combination in other classical works, but

> more

> > research in this field is needed.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thankyou,

> > > > > Best Wishes,

> > > > > Vijay Goel

> > > > > Jaipur.

> > > > >

> > > > > , " varun_trvd "

> > <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respected Vijay ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The method of 'beej spashtha' and 'kshetra spashtha' to

> > ascertain the viability of progeny is a very well known and often used

> > tool.This is the first excercise any one would do in the case of a

> > childless couple.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Secondly, I would prefer studying D7 for the progeny instead

> of

> > D9.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The 'beej spashtha' and 'kshetra spashtha' technique can be

> > applied only after marriage when the kundali of the husband is also

> > available, because then only the beej spashtha can be found.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What we are discussing here is that ' are there some planetary

> > combinations in the horoscope of the girl which could indicate that

> she

> > is likely to marry a person who will be impotant?'

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In other words can it be found from the horoscope of a girl

> that

> > she is destined to marry an impotant man? [ no horoscope of husband

> yet]

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I knew of one such combination [ a possibility if two napunsak

> > grah are in her 7th house] which I had already shared.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you are aware of any such planetary combinations, please

> > share with us.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " vijay.goel "

> > <goyalvj@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Respected Varunji & members,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I will go through the file section of LK combination. You

> have

> > enriched this file section with many more files.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I think 'Barrenness' is the term used for the infertility of

> > females (inability to conceive (egg) or bear (field) the child (mars

> is

> > karak) and 'impotency' is used for the infertility in males (weakness

> of

> > semen (venus is karak)).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Both term is used for physical weakness and for this

> > calculation 'Beeja spusta' (Seed longitudes) for males and 'Shetra

> > spusta' (Field longitude) for females is advices in traditional

> > astrology.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1)'Bheeja Spusta' add longitude of 'Sun + Jupiter + venus'.

> > > > > > > 2)'Shetra Spusta' add longitude of 'Moon + Jupiter + Mars'.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In the chart of female as provided by shri M P jain.

> > > > > > > July 27, 1980

> > > > > > > Time: 8:30:00

> > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > > Place: 79 E 57' 00 " , 23 N 10' 00 "

> > > > > > > Jabalpur, India

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > SHESTRA SPUSTA (SS) comes in Scorpio 04:56:58.

> > > > > > > scorpio is even and fruitful rasi aspected by Venus, also SS

> > in Capricon Navamsha so child bearing is possible.

> > > > > > > Since Saturn is aspecting SS in rasi and in D9 saturn is in

> > capricon, so delay is seen.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now

> > > > > > > Husband Chart:

> > > > > > > November 2, 1975

> > > > > > > Time: 22:25:00

> > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > > Place: 77 E 13' 00 " , 28 N 40' 00 "

> > > > > > > Delhi, India

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > BEEJA SPUSTA IS : Pisces 09:18:54.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Here beeja is in even rasi (it should be odd). Retro jupiter

> > is there so protection is highly reduced and 5th from their is saturn.

> > > > > > > In D9 Beeja is in kanya Rasi with saturn in it.

> > > > > > > So some long ailment could be possible.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -------

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The above technique is used with other related factors to

> > identify the problems, such as condition of 5L\H or 9L\H etc.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanking you,

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Vijay Goel

> > > > > > > Jaipur.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " varun_trvd "

> > <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Respected Vijay ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Let us not mix up 'barrenness' and 'impotancy'. They are

> > entirely two different physical conditions.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sure, Lal Kitab has over a dozen planetary combinations

> > indicating 'barrenness'. If you want to go through them, then look up

> > the files and there is an article on progeny which you might be

> > interested in. Soon Kulbir Bhai will come up with a detailed article

> on

> > progeny.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Here we are discussing what planetary combination in a

> > girl's horoscope could lead her to marry an impotant man, a man who is

> > physically handicapped to fertilise.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , Vijay Goel

> > <goyalvj@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Respected Varunji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Weak or highly afflicted venus, dominance of impotent

> > planet like saturn

> > > > > > > > > and mercury, influence of barren rasi like Virgo, Leo,

> > Aquarius, if

> > > > > > > > > related to 5H/L or 7H\L (or 9H\L for females) can create

> > such a situation.

> > > > > > > > > As per Jaimini system Arudha of 3rd and 9th house and

> its

> > 2,12,6,8

> > > > > > > > > relation with sun also arises such a situation.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In LK also i have heard some similar combination are

> > mentioned but i am

> > > > > > > > > not able to remember now.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > But still with confidence it is difficult to say that

> > husband will be

> > > > > > > > > sure a impotent man.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > This details of both charts of husband and wife will

> help

> > us to do some

> > > > > > > > > study. So i am asking from shri M P jain.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thankyou,

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Vijay Goel

> > > > > > > > > Jaipur.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

September 7, 2009

Respected Vijay ji,

You have said:

â€œIf saturn is in lagna in Jal tattwa rasis in the last nakshatra pada, & aspected by venus from 7th house, spouse could be impotent\barren.â€

The actual sutra is :

yame ange riksha sandhau shukre aste vandhya stree

if Saturn be rising in rakshi sandhi [ i.e. the 4th qtr of ashlesha, jyeshtha or revati] and venus be in the 7th house the wife will be vandhya [ barren]

Or

You have said :

If 3rd lord and Venus is in 6th house, than spouse could be impotent\barren.

The actual sutra is :

Sottheshakchhau shashthe pandha stree

If the lord of the 3rd house and venus occupy the 6th house, the wife of the native will be eunuch.

In both the sutra there is a mention of the wife [stree], in one case a vandhya [barren] and in another pandha [eunuch].

Neither of the sutra mentions the word husband as does the sutra from Chapter 4 [stree jatak] sutra # 16.

Therefore, it will not be justified to take these two sutra to mean that a young lady, with these combinations, will get married to an impotent man. Had it been so, the word husband would have been used.

[ both the sutra # 119 & 120; quoted above have been uploaded in the files in their original form]

Regards,

Varun Trivedi

, "vijay.goel" <goyalvj wrote:>> Dear Varunji,> > The slokes you have uploaded is not the slokes i am referring at.> Atleast you should have match & verified the conditioned i have quoted> in my previous mail.> > In my book, same slokes you have uploaded are present with different> numbering. Read next 20 more slokes from your book you will get the> combination i have quoted in the previous mail.> > The book I have is Jatak tattwa, Hindi commentary by Dr. Suresh Chandra> Sastri, Rajan Publication.> The slokes i have mentioned is present in page number 205-6 under the> heading, "Rogini ya Viklangta Aadi Stree ke yog"> > Still if you don't find it, i will scan the page and mail it to you so> that you can upload it for all other members.> > Thankyou,> Best Wishes,> Vijay Goel> Jaipur.> > > > > > , "varun_trvd"> varun_trvd@ wrote:> >> >> > Respected Vijay ji,> >> > I have just now uploaded the original shloks from Jatak Tatva 3rd> > Prakirna, 7th vivek, shlok 110 -116 through two files.> >> > It is for every one to see that there is no mention of impotancy or> > barrenness in those shloks> >> > On the contrary they mention that the woman will be " Jarini" an> > adultress ; or 'Kudara' of wicked disposition.> >> > Regards,> >> > Varun Trivedi> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > , "vijay.goel" goyalvj@> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Varunji,> > >> > > Chapter 3rd Prakirn Tatvam, Saptam vivek, sloke number 110-116.> > >> > > I hope you will get it.> > >> > > The classical combination you are quoting of mer+ sat in 7th house> for> > impotent husband is in chapter 4,sloke number 16-17.> > >> > > Thankyou,> > > Regards,> > > Vijay Goel> > > Jaipur.> > >> > > , "varun_trvd" varun_trvd@> > wrote:> > > >> > > > Respected Vijay ji,> > > >> > > > In our library we have ' Jatak Tatvam' By Mahadev; translated by> V.> > Subramanya Shastri published in 1941. It is in Sanskrit with English> > translation. It consists of 376 pages.> > > >> > > > I was looking for the Shloks you have quoted. I could not find> them.> > > > Could you help me find them?> > > >> > > > The book consists of 5 chapters [ tatva ]. Which tatva or chapter> > these shlok have been quoted from?> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > >> > > > Varun Trivedi> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , "vijay.goel"> <goyalvj@>> > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Respected Varunji,> > > > >> > > > > Namaskar,> > > > >> > > > > //What we are discussing here is that ' are there some planetary> > combinations in the horoscope of the girl which could indicate that> she> > is likely to marry a person who will be impotant?'> > > > > .....> > > > > I knew of one such combination [ a possibility if two napunsak> > grah are in her 7th house] which I had already shared.> > > > > //> > > > >> > > > > One classical combination for Napunshak greh.> > > > >> > > > > 1)If saturn & mercury, both is in 7th house, Native marries with> a> > already earlier married spouse. {This could means that the spouse> could> > be divorcee in legal terms.} [Jatak Tatwam sloke no 116]> > > > > This same result is also with saturn + moon in 7th house. If> rahu> > in 7th than marriage with the widow\ widower.> > > > >> > > > > 2)If saturn is in lagna in Jal tattwa rasis in the last> nakshatra> > pada, & aspected by venus from 7th house, spouse could be> > impotent\barren.[Jatak Tattwa sloke no 110]> > > > >> > > > > 3)If 3rd lord and Venus is in 6th house, than spouse could be> > impotent\barren. [ jatak tattwa sloke 115]> > > > > We see that in kal-purush kundli venus gets debilitated in 6th> > house.> > > > >> > > > > In the female horoscope example given by shri M p jain, we see> > that 3rd lord venus is debilitated in Navamsha fulfilling the the main> > theme of this above point number 3.> > > > >> > > > > ---------------> > > > >> > > > > All above classical combination must be seen in navamsha as per> my> > thinking, considering many other factors simultaneously.> > > > >> > > > > There are many more combination in other classical works, but> more> > research in this field is needed.> > > > >> > > > > Thankyou,> > > > > Best Wishes,> > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > Jaipur.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , "varun_trvd"> > <varun_trvd@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Respected Vijay ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > The method of 'beej spashtha' and 'kshetra spashtha' to> > ascertain the viability of progeny is a very well known and often used> > tool.This is the first excercise any one would do in the case of a> > childless couple.> > > > > >> > > > > > Secondly, I would prefer studying D7 for the progeny instead> of> > D9.> > > > > >> > > > > > The 'beej spashtha' and 'kshetra spashtha' technique can be> > applied only after marriage when the kundali of the husband is also> > available, because then only the beej spashtha can be found.> > > > > >> > > > > > What we are discussing here is that ' are there some planetary> > combinations in the horoscope of the girl which could indicate that> she> > is likely to marry a person who will be impotant?'> > > > > >> > > > > > In other words can it be found from the horoscope of a girl> that> > she is destined to marry an impotant man? [ no horoscope of husband> yet]> > > > > >> > > > > > I knew of one such combination [ a possibility if two napunsak> > grah are in her 7th house] which I had already shared.> > > > > >> > > > > > If you are aware of any such planetary combinations, please> > share with us.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > , "vijay.goel"> > <goyalvj@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Respected Varunji & members,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I will go through the file section of LK combination. You> have> > enriched this file section with many more files.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I think 'Barrenness' is the term used for the infertility of> > females (inability to conceive (egg) or bear (field) the child (mars> is> > karak) and 'impotency' is used for the infertility in males (weakness> of> > semen (venus is karak)).> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Both term is used for physical weakness and for this> > calculation 'Beeja spusta' (Seed longitudes) for males and 'Shetra> > spusta' (Field longitude) for females is advices in traditional> > astrology.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 1)'Bheeja Spusta' add longitude of 'Sun + Jupiter + venus'.> > > > > > > 2)'Shetra Spusta' add longitude of 'Moon + Jupiter + Mars'.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > In the chart of female as provided by shri M P jain.> > > > > > > July 27, 1980> > > > > > > Time: 8:30:00> > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > > Place: 79 E 57' 00", 23 N 10' 00"> > > > > > > Jabalpur, India> > > > > > >> > > > > > > SHESTRA SPUSTA (SS) comes in Scorpio 04:56:58.> > > > > > > scorpio is even and fruitful rasi aspected by Venus, also SS> > in Capricon Navamsha so child bearing is possible.> > > > > > > Since Saturn is aspecting SS in rasi and in D9 saturn is in> > capricon, so delay is seen.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Now> > > > > > > Husband Chart:> > > > > > > November 2, 1975> > > > > > > Time: 22:25:00> > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > > Place: 77 E 13' 00", 28 N 40' 00"> > > > > > > Delhi, India> > > > > > >> > > > > > > BEEJA SPUSTA IS : Pisces 09:18:54.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Here beeja is in even rasi (it should be odd). Retro jupiter> > is there so protection is highly reduced and 5th from their is saturn.> > > > > > > In D9 Beeja is in kanya Rasi with saturn in it.> > > > > > > So some long ailment could be possible.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > -------> > > > > > >> > > > > > > The above technique is used with other related factors to> > identify the problems, such as condition of 5L\H or 9L\H etc.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanking you,> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > > Jaipur.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > , "varun_trvd"> > <varun_trvd@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Respected Vijay ji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Let us not mix up 'barrenness' and 'impotancy'. They are> > entirely two different physical conditions.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sure, Lal Kitab has over a dozen planetary combinations> > indicating 'barrenness'. If you want to go through them, then look up> > the files and there is an article on progeny which you might be> > interested in. Soon Kulbir Bhai will come up with a detailed article> on> > progeny.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Here we are discussing what planetary combination in a> > girl's horoscope could lead her to marry an impotant man, a man who is> > physically handicapped to fertilise.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > , Vijay Goel> > <goyalvj@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Respected Varunji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Weak or highly afflicted venus, dominance of impotent> > planet like saturn> > > > > > > > > and mercury, influence of barren rasi like Virgo, Leo,> > Aquarius, if> > > > > > > > > related to 5H/L or 7H\L (or 9H\L for females) can create> > such a situation.> > > > > > > > > As per Jaimini system Arudha of 3rd and 9th house and> its> > 2,12,6,8> > > > > > > > > relation with sun also arises such a situation.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > In LK also i have heard some similar combination are> > mentioned but i am> > > > > > > > > not able to remember now.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > But still with confidence it is difficult to say that> > husband will be> > > > > > > > > sure a impotent man.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > This details of both charts of husband and wife will> help> > us to do some> > > > > > > > > study. So i am asking from shri M P jain.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Thankyou,> > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > > > > Jaipur.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

September 8, 2009

Dear Varunji,// Neither of the sutra mentions the word husband as does the sutra from Chapter 4 [stree jatak] sutra # 16.//Both sutra clearly mention 'Stree', but as per my learning from Gurus, the word 'Stree' & 'Putra' should be taken as spouse and children in general way unless it is very specific. The sutra you are mentioning comes under the sub-chapter '7th house' which is for spouse house. Normally desh, kaal & patra plus Uha-Puha technique should be used with traditional astrology as told by Rishi Parashar. You can also see that 3L & Venus in 6th house principle is working in the given girl's chart by Shri M P Jain as i have explained in brief in earlier mails.---------------You will see that many planetary Karaks as well as application has too much variance with LK principles. For eg. Rahu is considered a karak for Policeman, brother in law, etc in LK whereas in traditional astrology Mars is karak.-----------------//If saturn is in lagna in Jal tattwa rasis in the last nakshatra pada, & aspected by venus from 7th house.////if Saturn be rising in rakshi sandhi [ i.e. the 4th qtr of ashlesha, jyeshtha or revati] and venus be in the 7th house// Please note that both the statement has same meanings.I used Jal-tattwa rasi because jal-tattwa is main karak for love & marriage philosopy.Last pada ie 4th pada of last nakshatra means 'Moksha Pada ' . Therefore marriage could be denied if venus also aspects it.This is the basic interpretation i have understood [why NOT first nakshata pada of Aswini, Magha, Mula ?]. ------------------Thankyou for uploading the right sutras for all the members.There are many more sutras related to above topic in other classical books, i hope other members should come forwards with it.Thankyou,Vijay GoelJaipur. , "varun_trvd" <varun_trvd wrote:>> > Respected Vijay ji,> > > > You have said:> > > > â€œIf saturn is in lagna in Jal tattwa rasis in the last nakshatra> pada, & > aspected by venus from 7th house, spouse could be> impotent\barren.â€> > > > The actual sutra is :> > > > yame ange riksha sandhau shukre aste vandhya stree> > > > if Saturn be rising in rakshi sandhi [ i.e. the 4th qtr of ashlesha,> jyeshtha or revati] and venus be in the 7th house the wife will be> vandhya [ barren]> > > > > > Or> > > > You have said :> > > > > > If 3rd lord and Venus is in 6th house, than spouse could be> impotent\barren.> > > > The actual sutra is :> > > > Sottheshakchhau shashthe pandha stree> > > > If the lord of the 3rd house and venus occupy the 6th house, the wife of> the native will be eunuch.> > > > In both the sutra there is a mention of the wife [stree], in one case a> vandhya [barren] and in another pandha [eunuch].> > > > Neither of the sutra mentions the word husband as does the sutra from> Chapter 4 [stree jatak] sutra # 16.> > > > Therefore, it will not be justified to take these two sutra to mean that> a young lady, with these combinations, will get married to an impotent> man. Had it been so, the word husband would have been used.> > > > [ both the sutra # 119 & 120; quoted above have been uploaded in the> files in their original form]> > > > Regards,> > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "vijay.goel" goyalvj@> wrote:> >> > Dear Varunji,> >> > The slokes you have uploaded is not the slokes i am referring at.> > Atleast you should have match & verified the conditioned i have quoted> > in my previous mail.> >> > In my book, same slokes you have uploaded are present with different> > numbering. Read next 20 more slokes from your book you will get the> > combination i have quoted in the previous mail.> >> > The book I have is Jatak tattwa, Hindi commentary by Dr. Suresh> Chandra> > Sastri, Rajan Publication.> > The slokes i have mentioned is present in page number 205-6 under the> > heading, "Rogini ya Viklangta Aadi Stree ke yog"> >> > Still if you don't find it, i will scan the page and mail it to you so> > that you can upload it for all other members.> >> > Thankyou,> > Best Wishes,> > Vijay Goel> > Jaipur.> >> >> >> >> >> > , "varun_trvd"> > varun_trvd@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Respected Vijay ji,> > >> > > I have just now uploaded the original shloks from Jatak Tatva 3rd> > > Prakirna, 7th vivek, shlok 110 -116 through two files.> > >> > > It is for every one to see that there is no mention of impotancy or> > > barrenness in those shloks> > >> > > On the contrary they mention that the woman will be " Jarini" an> > > adultress ; or 'Kudara' of wicked disposition.> > >> > > Regards,> > >> > > Varun Trivedi> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , "vijay.goel" goyalvj@> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Varunji,> > > >> > > > Chapter 3rd Prakirn Tatvam, Saptam vivek, sloke number 110-116.> > > >> > > > I hope you will get it.> > > >> > > > The classical combination you are quoting of mer+ sat in 7th house> > for> > > impotent husband is in chapter 4,sloke number 16-17.> > > >> > > > Thankyou,> > > > Regards,> > > > Vijay Goel> > > > Jaipur.> > > >> > > > , "varun_trvd"> varun_trvd@> > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Respected Vijay ji,> > > > >> > > > > In our library we have ' Jatak Tatvam' By Mahadev; translated by> > V.> > > Subramanya Shastri published in 1941. It is in Sanskrit with English> > > translation. It consists of 376 pages.> > > > >> > > > > I was looking for the Shloks you have quoted. I could not find> > them.> > > > > Could you help me find them?> > > > >> > > > > The book consists of 5 chapters [ tatva ]. Which tatva or> chapter> > > these shlok have been quoted from?> > > > >> > > > > Regards,> > > > >> > > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , "vijay.goel"> > <goyalvj@>> > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Respected Varunji,> > > > > >> > > > > > Namaskar,> > > > > >> > > > > > //What we are discussing here is that ' are there some> planetary> > > combinations in the horoscope of the girl which could indicate that> > she> > > is likely to marry a person who will be impotant?'> > > > > > .....> > > > > > I knew of one such combination [ a possibility if two napunsak> > > grah are in her 7th house] which I had already shared.> > > > > > //> > > > > >> > > > > > One classical combination for Napunshak greh.> > > > > >> > > > > > 1)If saturn & mercury, both is in 7th house, Native marries> with> > a> > > already earlier married spouse. {This could means that the spouse> > could> > > be divorcee in legal terms.} [Jatak Tatwam sloke no 116]> > > > > > This same result is also with saturn + moon in 7th house. If> > rahu> > > in 7th than marriage with the widow\ widower.> > > > > >> > > > > > 2)If saturn is in lagna in Jal tattwa rasis in the last> > nakshatra> > > pada, & aspected by venus from 7th house, spouse could be> > > impotent\barren.[Jatak Tattwa sloke no 110]> > > > > >> > > > > > 3)If 3rd lord and Venus is in 6th house, than spouse could be> > > impotent\barren. [ jatak tattwa sloke 115]> > > > > > We see that in kal-purush kundli venus gets debilitated in 6th> > > house.> > > > > >> > > > > > In the female horoscope example given by shri M p jain, we see> > > that 3rd lord venus is debilitated in Navamsha fulfilling the the> main> > > theme of this above point number 3.> > > > > >> > > > > > ---------------> > > > > >> > > > > > All above classical combination must be seen in navamsha as> per> > my> > > thinking, considering many other factors simultaneously.> > > > > >> > > > > > There are many more combination in other classical works, but> > more> > > research in this field is needed.> > > > > >> > > > > > Thankyou,> > > > > > Best Wishes,> > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > Jaipur.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > , "varun_trvd"> > > <varun_trvd@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Respected Vijay ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > The method of 'beej spashtha' and 'kshetra spashtha' to> > > ascertain the viability of progeny is a very well known and often> used> > > tool.This is the first excercise any one would do in the case of a> > > childless couple.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Secondly, I would prefer studying D7 for the progeny instead> > of> > > D9.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > The 'beej spashtha' and 'kshetra spashtha' technique can be> > > applied only after marriage when the kundali of the husband is also> > > available, because then only the beej spashtha can be found.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > What we are discussing here is that ' are there some> planetary> > > combinations in the horoscope of the girl which could indicate that> > she> > > is likely to marry a person who will be impotant?'> > > > > > >> > > > > > > In other words can it be found from the horoscope of a girl> > that> > > she is destined to marry an impotant man? [ no horoscope of husband> > yet]> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I knew of one such combination [ a possibility if two> napunsak> > > grah are in her 7th house] which I had already shared.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > If you are aware of any such planetary combinations, please> > > share with us.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > , "vijay.goel"> > > <goyalvj@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Respected Varunji & members,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I will go through the file section of LK combination. You> > have> > > enriched this file section with many more files.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I think 'Barrenness' is the term used for the infertility> of> > > females (inability to conceive (egg) or bear (field) the child (mars> > is> > > karak) and 'impotency' is used for the infertility in males> (weakness> > of> > > semen (venus is karak)).> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Both term is used for physical weakness and for this> > > calculation 'Beeja spusta' (Seed longitudes) for males and 'Shetra> > > spusta' (Field longitude) for females is advices in traditional> > > astrology.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 1)'Bheeja Spusta' add longitude of 'Sun + Jupiter +> venus'.> > > > > > > > 2)'Shetra Spusta' add longitude of 'Moon + Jupiter +> Mars'.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > In the chart of female as provided by shri M P jain.> > > > > > > > July 27, 1980> > > > > > > > Time: 8:30:00> > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > > > Place: 79 E 57' 00", 23 N 10' 00"> > > > > > > > Jabalpur, India> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > SHESTRA SPUSTA (SS) comes in Scorpio 04:56:58.> > > > > > > > scorpio is even and fruitful rasi aspected by Venus, also> SS> > > in Capricon Navamsha so child bearing is possible.> > > > > > > > Since Saturn is aspecting SS in rasi and in D9 saturn is> in> > > capricon, so delay is seen.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Now> > > > > > > > Husband Chart:> > > > > > > > November 2, 1975> > > > > > > > Time: 22:25:00> > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > > > Place: 77 E 13' 00", 28 N 40' 00"> > > > > > > > Delhi, India> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > BEEJA SPUSTA IS : Pisces 09:18:54.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Here beeja is in even rasi (it should be odd). Retro> jupiter> > > is there so protection is highly reduced and 5th from their is> saturn.> > > > > > > > In D9 Beeja is in kanya Rasi with saturn in it.> > > > > > > > So some long ailment could be possible.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > -------> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The above technique is used with other related factors to> > > identify the problems, such as condition of 5L\H or 9L\H etc.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Thanking you,> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > > > Jaipur.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > , "varun_trvd"> > > <varun_trvd@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Respected Vijay ji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Let us not mix up 'barrenness' and 'impotancy'. They are> > > entirely two different physical conditions.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Sure, Lal Kitab has over a dozen planetary combinations> > > indicating 'barrenness'. If you want to go through them, then look> up> > > the files and there is an article on progeny which you might be> > > interested in. Soon Kulbir Bhai will come up with a detailed article> > on> > > progeny.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Here we are discussing what planetary combination in a> > > girl's horoscope could lead her to marry an impotant man, a man who> is> > > physically handicapped to fertilise.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > , Vijay Goel> > > <goyalvj@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Respected Varunji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Weak or highly afflicted venus, dominance of impotent> > > planet like saturn> > > > > > > > > > and mercury, influence of barren rasi like Virgo, Leo,> > > Aquarius, if> > > > > > > > > > related to 5H/L or 7H\L (or 9H\L for females) can> create> > > such a situation.> > > > > > > > > > As per Jaimini system Arudha of 3rd and 9th house and> > its> > > 2,12,6,8> > > > > > > > > > relation with sun also arises such a situation.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > In LK also i have heard some similar combination are> > > mentioned but i am> > > > > > > > > > not able to remember now.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > But still with confidence it is difficult to say that> > > husband will be> > > > > > > > > > sure a impotent man.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > This details of both charts of husband and wife will> > help> > > us to do some> > > > > > > > > > study. So i am asking from shri M P jain.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Thankyou,> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > > > > > Jaipur.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

September 8, 2009

Respected Vijay ji,

The author of Jatak Tatva, daivagya Mahadev has been very particular and specific in using terms like `stree' and `bharta' for wife and husband.

Had that been not so, then how could one explain these two sutra I am quoting now.

Both the sutra talk of the same planetary combination and yet they give two entirely different results for men and women.

smare mandagyau punarbhoo bharyaa labhah

{Jatak Tatva; prakeerna 3; saptam vivek; sutra 96}

If Saturn and mercury be posited in the 7th house, the native will marry a widow `punarbhoo bharya'

If what you had said was true [words like stree etc to mean spouse] then in the case of a lady the same planetary placement should result in her marrying a widower.

But that is not so !

In another sutra the same author says:

gyarkjavaste bharta kleevah {Jatak Tatva; Prakeerna 4; sutra 16}

If mercury and Saturn be in the 7th house, the husband of the woman concerned will be impotent.

This sutra is also talking about the same planetary placement i.e. mercury and the Saturn in the 7th house. But the result is entirely different in the case of a female nativity. Here the author does not say that she will marry a widower as should have been according to your logic, instead he says that the person she marries will be impotent; a very specific and very particular statement.

Therefore it is proved that the word `stree' wife is not interchangeable with the word `bharta' husband; they are non-transferable. The word stree stays to mean a wife as does bharta for a husband.

That being so, in the sutra:

sottheshachchhau shashthe pandha stree [ Jatak Tatva; prakeerna 3; sutra 120]

the word stree can not be taken to mean a husband.

Regards,

Varun Trivedi

, "vijay.goel" <goyalvj wrote:>> Dear Varunji,> > // Neither of the sutra mentions the word husband as does the sutra from> Chapter 4 [stree jatak] sutra # 16.//> > Both sutra clearly mention 'Stree', but as per my learning from Gurus,> the word 'Stree' & 'Putra' should be taken as spouse and children in> general way unless it is very specific. The sutra you are mentioning> comes under the sub-chapter '7th house' which is for spouse house.> Normally desh, kaal & patra plus Uha-Puha technique should be used with> traditional astrology as told by Rishi Parashar.> > You can also see that 3L & Venus in 6th house principle is working in> the given girl's chart by Shri M P Jain as i have explained in brief in> earlier mails.> > ---------------> > You will see that many planetary Karaks as well as application has too> much variance with LK principles.> For eg. Rahu is considered a karak for Policeman, brother in law, etc in> LK whereas in traditional astrology Mars is karak.> > -----------------> //If saturn is in lagna in Jal tattwa rasis in the last nakshatra pada,> & aspected by venus from 7th house.//> > //if Saturn be rising in rakshi sandhi [ i.e. the 4th qtr of ashlesha,> jyeshtha or revati] and venus be in the 7th house//> > Please note that both the statement has same meanings.> > I used Jal-tattwa rasi because jal-tattwa is main karak for love & > marriage philosopy.> Last pada ie 4th pada of last nakshatra means 'Moksha Pada ' . Therefore> marriage could be denied if venus also aspects it.> This is the basic interpretation i have understood [why NOT first> nakshata pada of Aswini, Magha, Mula ?].> > ------------------> > Thankyou for uploading the right sutras for all the members.> > There are many more sutras related to above topic in other classical> books, i hope other members should come forwards with it.> > Thankyou,> Vijay Goel> Jaipur.> > > > > , "varun_trvd"> varun_trvd@ wrote:> >> >> > Respected Vijay ji,> >> >> >> > You have said:> >> >> >> > â€œIf saturn is in lagna in Jal tattwa rasis in the last> nakshatra> > pada, & > > aspected by venus from 7th house, spouse could be> > impotent\barren.â€> >> >> >> > The actual sutra is :> >> >> >> > yame ange riksha sandhau shukre aste vandhya stree> >> >> >> > if Saturn be rising in rakshi sandhi [ i.e. the 4th qtr of ashlesha,> > jyeshtha or revati] and venus be in the 7th house the wife will be> > vandhya [ barren]> >> >> >> >> >> > Or> >> >> >> > You have said :> >> >> >> >> >> > If 3rd lord and Venus is in 6th house, than spouse could be> > impotent\barren.> >> >> >> > The actual sutra is :> >> >> >> > Sottheshakchhau shashthe pandha stree> >> >> >> > If the lord of the 3rd house and venus occupy the 6th house, the wife> of> > the native will be eunuch.> >> >> >> > In both the sutra there is a mention of the wife [stree], in one case> a> > vandhya [barren] and in another pandha [eunuch].> >> >> >> > Neither of the sutra mentions the word husband as does the sutra from> > Chapter 4 [stree jatak] sutra # 16.> >> >> >> > Therefore, it will not be justified to take these two sutra to mean> that> > a young lady, with these combinations, will get married to an impotent> > man. Had it been so, the word husband would have been used.> >> >> >> > [ both the sutra # 119 & 120; quoted above have been uploaded in the> > files in their original form]> >> >> >> > Regards,> >> >> >> > Varun Trivedi> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > , "vijay.goel" goyalvj@> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Varunji,> > >> > > The slokes you have uploaded is not the slokes i am referring at.> > > Atleast you should have match & verified the conditioned i have> quoted> > > in my previous mail.> > >> > > In my book, same slokes you have uploaded are present with different> > > numbering. Read next 20 more slokes from your book you will get the> > > combination i have quoted in the previous mail.> > >> > > The book I have is Jatak tattwa, Hindi commentary by Dr. Suresh> > Chandra> > > Sastri, Rajan Publication.> > > The slokes i have mentioned is present in page number 205-6 under> the> > > heading, "Rogini ya Viklangta Aadi Stree ke yog"> > >> > > Still if you don't find it, i will scan the page and mail it to you> so> > > that you can upload it for all other members.> > >> > > Thankyou,> > > Best Wishes,> > > Vijay Goel> > > Jaipur.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , "varun_trvd"> > > varun_trvd@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Respected Vijay ji,> > > >> > > > I have just now uploaded the original shloks from Jatak Tatva 3rd> > > > Prakirna, 7th vivek, shlok 110 -116 through two files.> > > >> > > > It is for every one to see that there is no mention of impotancy> or> > > > barrenness in those shloks> > > >> > > > On the contrary they mention that the woman will be " Jarini" an> > > > adultress ; or 'Kudara' of wicked disposition.> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > >> > > > Varun Trivedi> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , "vijay.goel" goyalvj@> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Varunji,> > > > >> > > > > Chapter 3rd Prakirn Tatvam, Saptam vivek, sloke number 110-116.> > > > >> > > > > I hope you will get it.> > > > >> > > > > The classical combination you are quoting of mer+ sat in 7th> house> > > for> > > > impotent husband is in chapter 4,sloke number 16-17.> > > > >> > > > > Thankyou,> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > Jaipur.> > > > >> > > > > , "varun_trvd"> > varun_trvd@> > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Respected Vijay ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > In our library we have ' Jatak Tatvam' By Mahadev; translated> by> > > V.> > > > Subramanya Shastri published in 1941. It is in Sanskrit with> English> > > > translation. It consists of 376 pages.> > > > > >> > > > > > I was looking for the Shloks you have quoted. I could not find> > > them.> > > > > > Could you help me find them?> > > > > >> > > > > > The book consists of 5 chapters [ tatva ]. Which tatva or> > chapter> > > > these shlok have been quoted from?> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > , "vijay.goel"> > > <goyalvj@>> > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Respected Varunji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Namaskar,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > //What we are discussing here is that ' are there some> > planetary> > > > combinations in the horoscope of the girl which could indicate> that> > > she> > > > is likely to marry a person who will be impotant?'> > > > > > > .....> > > > > > > I knew of one such combination [ a possibility if two> napunsak> > > > grah are in her 7th house] which I had already shared.> > > > > > > //> > > > > > >> > > > > > > One classical combination for Napunshak greh.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 1)If saturn & mercury, both is in 7th house, Native marries> > with> > > a> > > > already earlier married spouse. {This could means that the spouse> > > could> > > > be divorcee in legal terms.} [Jatak Tatwam sloke no 116]> > > > > > > This same result is also with saturn + moon in 7th house. If> > > rahu> > > > in 7th than marriage with the widow\ widower.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 2)If saturn is in lagna in Jal tattwa rasis in the last> > > nakshatra> > > > pada, & aspected by venus from 7th house, spouse could be> > > > impotent\barren.[Jatak Tattwa sloke no 110]> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 3)If 3rd lord and Venus is in 6th house, than spouse could> be> > > > impotent\barren. [ jatak tattwa sloke 115]> > > > > > > We see that in kal-purush kundli venus gets debilitated in> 6th> > > > house.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > In the female horoscope example given by shri M p jain, we> see> > > > that 3rd lord venus is debilitated in Navamsha fulfilling the the> > main> > > > theme of this above point number 3.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ---------------> > > > > > >> > > > > > > All above classical combination must be seen in navamsha as> > per> > > my> > > > thinking, considering many other factors simultaneously.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > There are many more combination in other classical works,> but> > > more> > > > research in this field is needed.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thankyou,> > > > > > > Best Wishes,> > > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > > Jaipur.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > , "varun_trvd"> > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Respected Vijay ji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The method of 'beej spashtha' and 'kshetra spashtha' to> > > > ascertain the viability of progeny is a very well known and often> > used> > > > tool.This is the first excercise any one would do in the case of a> > > > childless couple.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Secondly, I would prefer studying D7 for the progeny> instead> > > of> > > > D9.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The 'beej spashtha' and 'kshetra spashtha' technique can> be> > > > applied only after marriage when the kundali of the husband is> also> > > > available, because then only the beej spashtha can be found.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > What we are discussing here is that ' are there some> > planetary> > > > combinations in the horoscope of the girl which could indicate> that> > > she> > > > is likely to marry a person who will be impotant?'> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > In other words can it be found from the horoscope of a> girl> > > that> > > > she is destined to marry an impotant man? [ no horoscope of> husband> > > yet]> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I knew of one such combination [ a possibility if two> > napunsak> > > > grah are in her 7th house] which I had already shared.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > If you are aware of any such planetary combinations,> please> > > > share with us.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > , "vijay.goel"> > > > <goyalvj@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Respected Varunji & members,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I will go through the file section of LK combination.> You> > > have> > > > enriched this file section with many more files.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I think 'Barrenness' is the term used for the> infertility> > of> > > > females (inability to conceive (egg) or bear (field) the child> (mars> > > is> > > > karak) and 'impotency' is used for the infertility in males> > (weakness> > > of> > > > semen (venus is karak)).> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Both term is used for physical weakness and for this> > > > calculation 'Beeja spusta' (Seed longitudes) for males and 'Shetra> > > > spusta' (Field longitude) for females is advices in traditional> > > > astrology.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 1)'Bheeja Spusta' add longitude of 'Sun + Jupiter +> > venus'.> > > > > > > > > 2)'Shetra Spusta' add longitude of 'Moon + Jupiter +> > Mars'.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > In the chart of female as provided by shri M P jain.> > > > > > > > > July 27, 1980> > > > > > > > > Time: 8:30:00> > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > > > > Place: 79 E 57' 00", 23 N 10' 00"> > > > > > > > > Jabalpur, India> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > SHESTRA SPUSTA (SS) comes in Scorpio 04:56:58.> > > > > > > > > scorpio is even and fruitful rasi aspected by Venus,> also> > SS> > > > in Capricon Navamsha so child bearing is possible.> > > > > > > > > Since Saturn is aspecting SS in rasi and in D9 saturn is> > in> > > > capricon, so delay is seen.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Now> > > > > > > > > Husband Chart:> > > > > > > > > November 2, 1975> > > > > > > > > Time: 22:25:00> > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > > > > Place: 77 E 13' 00", 28 N 40' 00"> > > > > > > > > Delhi, India> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > BEEJA SPUSTA IS : Pisces 09:18:54.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Here beeja is in even rasi (it should be odd). Retro> > jupiter> > > > is there so protection is highly reduced and 5th from their is> > saturn.> > > > > > > > > In D9 Beeja is in kanya Rasi with saturn in it.> > > > > > > > > So some long ailment could be possible.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > -------> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The above technique is used with other related factors> to> > > > identify the problems, such as condition of 5L\H or 9L\H etc.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Thanking you,> > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > > > > Jaipur.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > , "varun_trvd"> > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Respected Vijay ji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Let us not mix up 'barrenness' and 'impotancy'. They> are> > > > entirely two different physical conditions.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Sure, Lal Kitab has over a dozen planetary> combinations> > > > indicating 'barrenness'. If you want to go through them, then look> > up> > > > the files and there is an article on progeny which you might be> > > > interested in. Soon Kulbir Bhai will come up with a detailed> article> > > on> > > > progeny.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Here we are discussing what planetary combination in a> > > > girl's horoscope could lead her to marry an impotant man, a man> who> > is> > > > physically handicapped to fertilise.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > , Vijay Goel> > > > <goyalvj@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Respected Varunji,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Weak or highly afflicted venus, dominance of> impotent> > > > planet like saturn> > > > > > > > > > > and mercury, influence of barren rasi like Virgo,> Leo,> > > > Aquarius, if> > > > > > > > > > > related to 5H/L or 7H\L (or 9H\L for females) can> > create> > > > such a situation.> > > > > > > > > > > As per Jaimini system Arudha of 3rd and 9th house> and> > > its> > > > 2,12,6,8> > > > > > > > > > > relation with sun also arises such a situation.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > In LK also i have heard some similar combination are> > > > mentioned but i am> > > > > > > > > > > not able to remember now.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > But still with confidence it is difficult to say> that> > > > husband will be> > > > > > > > > > > sure a impotent man.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > This details of both charts of husband and wife will> > > help> > > > us to do some> > > > > > > > > > > study. So i am asking from shri M P jain.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Thankyou,> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > > > > > > Jaipur.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

September 9, 2009

Dear Varunji,

Namaskar!

I am the direct student of Sri K N Rao, Shri Shakti Mohan Singhvi (A serious

original research work on Kal-Chakra dasa will be published shortly), Sri Satish

Sharma (chairman ICAS jaipur chapter), and many more. and learnt from them 12-13

years back.

Now i am a full time professional astrologer, an official consultant to many big

groups in Jaipur.

So what i have learnt basics principle from them is more important for me as i

have found true in large number of cases when applied systematically and

logically.

I rarely use word to word meaning of sutras as each sutras reveals many meanings

and logic. Same planetary combination in different classical works will have

different meanings, even opposite.

For eg.

For the sutra of Jatak tattwa :

yame ange riksha sandhau shukre aste vandhya stree.

Same combination is repeated in classical text 'Mansagri' 14th chapter, saptam

bhava vichar sloke number 7,

gandantkale cha kalatrabhave brigoh sute lagngaterthjate

vandhyapatihi shyamnujastdaninam subehshitam no bhavanam khalachya.

But here instead of 'Risksha rasi' ie last pada of aslesha, jyesta and revati,

" Gandhant " word is used which also includes first pada of Aswini, Magha, Mula.

So you will find that in 'Mansagri' six nakshatra pada are taken whereas in

'Jatak tattwa' only three nakshatra pada are considered.

Here 'Vandhay pati' is also used what does it mean ?

I find Jatak Tattwa to be more logical as explained earlier.

In the whole chapter in Mansagri, you will rarely find any other word than

'Stree', Does it means that all classical works are only for men and cannot be

used for women ?.

---------------

Since i am have very less knowledge of sanskrit, it will be better if you find

that sloke of Mansagri from your library and explain it in better way and upload

it in the file section.

-----------------

It would have been better if we would have discussed LK principle regarding the

above topic and would deciphered some logical meanings of those instead of

directly jumping into traditional astrology.

Thankyou,

Best Wishes,

Vijay Goel

Jaipur.

, " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote:

>

> Respected Vijay ji,

>

> The author of Jatak Tatva, daivagya Mahadev has been very particular and

> specific in using terms like `stree' and `bharta' for

> wife and husband.

>

> Had that been not so, then how could one explain these two sutra I am

> quoting now.

>

> Both the sutra talk of the same planetary combination and yet they give

> two entirely different results for men and women.

>

> smare mandagyau punarbhoo bharyaa labhah

>

> {Jatak Tatva; prakeerna 3; saptam vivek; sutra 96}

>

> If Saturn and mercury be posited in the 7th house, the native will

> marry a widow `punarbhoo bharya'

>

> If what you had said was true [words like stree etc to mean spouse] then

> in the case of a lady the same planetary placement should result in her

> marrying a widower.

>

> But that is not so !

>

> In another sutra the same author says:

>

> gyarkjavaste bharta kleevah {Jatak Tatva; Prakeerna 4; sutra 16}

>

> If mercury and Saturn be in the 7th house, the husband of the woman

> concerned will be impotent.

>

> This sutra is also talking about the same planetary placement i.e.

> mercury and the Saturn in the 7th house. But the result is entirely

> different in the case of a female nativity. Here the author does not say

> that she will marry a widower as should have been according to your

> logic, instead he says that the person she marries will be impotent; a

> very specific and very particular statement.

>

> Therefore it is proved that the word `stree' wife is not

> interchangeable with the word `bharta' husband; they are

> non-transferable. The word stree stays to mean a wife as does bharta for

> a husband.

>

> That being so, in the sutra:

>

> sottheshachchhau shashthe pandha stree [ Jatak Tatva; prakeerna 3; sutra

> 120]

>

> the word stree can not be taken to mean a husband.

>

> Regards,

>

> Varun Trivedi

>

, " vijay.goel " <goyalvj@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Varunji,

> >

> > // Neither of the sutra mentions the word husband as does the sutra

> from

> > Chapter 4 [stree jatak] sutra # 16.//

> >

> > Both sutra clearly mention 'Stree', but as per my learning from Gurus,

> > the word 'Stree' & 'Putra' should be taken as spouse and children in

> > general way unless it is very specific. The sutra you are mentioning

> > comes under the sub-chapter '7th house' which is for spouse house.

> > Normally desh, kaal & patra plus Uha-Puha technique should be used

> with

> > traditional astrology as told by Rishi Parashar.

> >

> > You can also see that 3L & Venus in 6th house principle is working in

> > the given girl's chart by Shri M P Jain as i have explained in brief

> in

> > earlier mails.

> >

> > ---------------

> >

> > You will see that many planetary Karaks as well as application has too

> > much variance with LK principles.

> > For eg. Rahu is considered a karak for Policeman, brother in law, etc

> in

> > LK whereas in traditional astrology Mars is karak.

> >

> > -----------------

> > //If saturn is in lagna in Jal tattwa rasis in the last nakshatra

> pada,

> > & aspected by venus from 7th house.//

> >

> > //if Saturn be rising in rakshi sandhi [ i.e. the 4th qtr of ashlesha,

> > jyeshtha or revati] and venus be in the 7th house//

> >

> > Please note that both the statement has same meanings.

> >

> > I used Jal-tattwa rasi because jal-tattwa is main karak for love &

> > marriage philosopy.

> > Last pada ie 4th pada of last nakshatra means 'Moksha Pada ' .

> Therefore

> > marriage could be denied if venus also aspects it.

> > This is the basic interpretation i have understood [why NOT first

> > nakshata pada of Aswini, Magha, Mula ?].

> >

> > ------------------

> >

> > Thankyou for uploading the right sutras for all the members.

> >

> > There are many more sutras related to above topic in other classical

> > books, i hope other members should come forwards with it.

> >

> > Thankyou,

> > Vijay Goel

> > Jaipur.

> >

> > , " varun_trvd "

> > varun_trvd@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Vijay ji,

> > >

> > > You have said:

> > >

> > > â€œIf saturn is in lagna in Jal tattwa rasis in the last

> > nakshatra

> > > pada, &

> > > aspected by venus from 7th house, spouse could be

> > > impotent\barren.â€

> > >

> > > The actual sutra is :

> > >

> > > yame ange riksha sandhau shukre aste vandhya stree

> > >

> > > if Saturn be rising in rakshi sandhi [ i.e. the 4th qtr of ashlesha,

> > > jyeshtha or revati] and venus be in the 7th house the wife will be

> > > vandhya [ barren]

> > >

> > > Or

> > >

> > > You have said :

> > >

> > > If 3rd lord and Venus is in 6th house, than spouse could be

> > > impotent\barren.

> > >

> > > The actual sutra is :

> > >

> > > Sottheshakchhau shashthe pandha stree

> > >

> > > If the lord of the 3rd house and venus occupy the 6th house, the

> wife

> > of

> > > the native will be eunuch.

> > >

> > > In both the sutra there is a mention of the wife [stree], in one

> case

> > a

> > > vandhya [barren] and in another pandha [eunuch].

> > >

> > > Neither of the sutra mentions the word husband as does the sutra

> from

> > > Chapter 4 [stree jatak] sutra # 16.

> > >

> > > Therefore, it will not be justified to take these two sutra to mean

> > that

> > > a young lady, with these combinations, will get married to an

> impotent

> > > man. Had it been so, the word husband would have been used.

> > >

> > > [ both the sutra # 119 & 120; quoted above have been uploaded in the

> > > files in their original form]

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Varun Trivedi

> > >

> > > , " vijay.goel " goyalvj@

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Varunji,

> > > >

> > > > The slokes you have uploaded is not the slokes i am referring at.

> > > > Atleast you should have match & verified the conditioned i have

> > quoted

> > > > in my previous mail.

> > > >

> > > > In my book, same slokes you have uploaded are present with

> different

> > > > numbering. Read next 20 more slokes from your book you will get

> the

> > > > combination i have quoted in the previous mail.

> > > >

> > > > The book I have is Jatak tattwa, Hindi commentary by Dr. Suresh

> > > Chandra

> > > > Sastri, Rajan Publication.

> > > > The slokes i have mentioned is present in page number 205-6 under

> > the

> > > > heading, " Rogini ya Viklangta Aadi Stree ke yog "

> > > >

> > > > Still if you don't find it, i will scan the page and mail it to

> you

> > so

> > > > that you can upload it for all other members.

> > > >

> > > > Thankyou,

> > > > Best Wishes,

> > > > Vijay Goel

> > > > Jaipur.

> > > >

> > > > , " varun_trvd "

> > > > varun_trvd@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Vijay ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I have just now uploaded the original shloks from Jatak Tatva

> 3rd

> > > > > Prakirna, 7th vivek, shlok 110 -116 through two files.

> > > > >

> > > > > It is for every one to see that there is no mention of impotancy

> > or

> > > > > barrenness in those shloks

> > > > >

> > > > > On the contrary they mention that the woman will be " Jarini " an

> > > > > adultress ; or 'Kudara' of wicked disposition.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > >

> > > > > , " vijay.goel "

> goyalvj@

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Varunji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chapter 3rd Prakirn Tatvam, Saptam vivek, sloke number

> 110-116.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I hope you will get it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The classical combination you are quoting of mer+ sat in 7th

> > house

> > > > for

> > > > > impotent husband is in chapter 4,sloke number 16-17.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thankyou,

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Vijay Goel

> > > > > > Jaipur.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " varun_trvd "

> > > varun_trvd@

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Respected Vijay ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In our library we have ' Jatak Tatvam' By Mahadev;

> translated

> > by

> > > > V.

> > > > > Subramanya Shastri published in 1941. It is in Sanskrit with

> > English

> > > > > translation. It consists of 376 pages.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I was looking for the Shloks you have quoted. I could not

> find

> > > > them.

> > > > > > > Could you help me find them?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The book consists of 5 chapters [ tatva ]. Which tatva or

> > > chapter

> > > > > these shlok have been quoted from?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " vijay.goel "

> > > > <goyalvj@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Respected Varunji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Namaskar,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > //What we are discussing here is that ' are there some

> > > planetary

> > > > > combinations in the horoscope of the girl which could indicate

> > that

> > > > she

> > > > > is likely to marry a person who will be impotant?'

> > > > > > > > .....

> > > > > > > > I knew of one such combination [ a possibility if two

> > napunsak

> > > > > grah are in her 7th house] which I had already shared.

> > > > > > > > //

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > One classical combination for Napunshak greh.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1)If saturn & mercury, both is in 7th house, Native

> marries

> > > with

> > > > a

> > > > > already earlier married spouse. {This could means that the

> spouse

> > > > could

> > > > > be divorcee in legal terms.} [Jatak Tatwam sloke no 116]

> > > > > > > > This same result is also with saturn + moon in 7th house.

> If

> > > > rahu

> > > > > in 7th than marriage with the widow\ widower.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2)If saturn is in lagna in Jal tattwa rasis in the last

> > > > nakshatra

> > > > > pada, & aspected by venus from 7th house, spouse could be

> > > > > impotent\barren.[Jatak Tattwa sloke no 110]

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 3)If 3rd lord and Venus is in 6th house, than spouse could

> > be

> > > > > impotent\barren. [ jatak tattwa sloke 115]

> > > > > > > > We see that in kal-purush kundli venus gets debilitated in

> > 6th

> > > > > house.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In the female horoscope example given by shri M p jain, we

> > see

> > > > > that 3rd lord venus is debilitated in Navamsha fulfilling the

> the

> > > main

> > > > > theme of this above point number 3.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ---------------

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > All above classical combination must be seen in navamsha

> as

> > > per

> > > > my

> > > > > thinking, considering many other factors simultaneously.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > There are many more combination in other classical works,

> > but

> > > > more

> > > > > research in this field is needed.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thankyou,

> > > > > > > > Best Wishes,

> > > > > > > > Vijay Goel

> > > > > > > > Jaipur.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " varun_trvd "

> > > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Respected Vijay ji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The method of 'beej spashtha' and 'kshetra spashtha' to

> > > > > ascertain the viability of progeny is a very well known and

> often

> > > used

> > > > > tool.This is the first excercise any one would do in the case of

> a

> > > > > childless couple.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Secondly, I would prefer studying D7 for the progeny

> > instead

> > > > of

> > > > > D9.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The 'beej spashtha' and 'kshetra spashtha' technique can

> > be

> > > > > applied only after marriage when the kundali of the husband is

> > also

> > > > > available, because then only the beej spashtha can be found.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > What we are discussing here is that ' are there some

> > > planetary

> > > > > combinations in the horoscope of the girl which could indicate

> > that

> > > > she

> > > > > is likely to marry a person who will be impotant?'

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In other words can it be found from the horoscope of a

> > girl

> > > > that

> > > > > she is destined to marry an impotant man? [ no horoscope of

> > husband

> > > > yet]

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I knew of one such combination [ a possibility if two

> > > napunsak

> > > > > grah are in her 7th house] which I had already shared.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If you are aware of any such planetary combinations,

> > please

> > > > > share with us.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " vijay.goel "

> > > > > <goyalvj@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Respected Varunji & members,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I will go through the file section of LK combination.

> > You

> > > > have

> > > > > enriched this file section with many more files.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I think 'Barrenness' is the term used for the

> > infertility

> > > of

> > > > > females (inability to conceive (egg) or bear (field) the child

> > (mars

> > > > is

> > > > > karak) and 'impotency' is used for the infertility in males

> > > (weakness

> > > > of

> > > > > semen (venus is karak)).

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Both term is used for physical weakness and for this

> > > > > calculation 'Beeja spusta' (Seed longitudes) for males and

> 'Shetra

> > > > > spusta' (Field longitude) for females is advices in traditional

> > > > > astrology.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 1)'Bheeja Spusta' add longitude of 'Sun + Jupiter +

> > > venus'.

> > > > > > > > > > 2)'Shetra Spusta' add longitude of 'Moon + Jupiter +

> > > Mars'.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In the chart of female as provided by shri M P jain.

> > > > > > > > > > July 27, 1980

> > > > > > > > > > Time: 8:30:00

> > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > > > > > Place: 79 E 57' 00 " , 23 N 10' 00 "

> > > > > > > > > > Jabalpur, India

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > SHESTRA SPUSTA (SS) comes in Scorpio 04:56:58.

> > > > > > > > > > scorpio is even and fruitful rasi aspected by Venus,

> > also

> > > SS

> > > > > in Capricon Navamsha so child bearing is possible.

> > > > > > > > > > Since Saturn is aspecting SS in rasi and in D9 saturn

> is

> > > in

> > > > > capricon, so delay is seen.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Now

> > > > > > > > > > Husband Chart:

> > > > > > > > > > November 2, 1975

> > > > > > > > > > Time: 22:25:00

> > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > > > > > Place: 77 E 13' 00 " , 28 N 40' 00 "

> > > > > > > > > > Delhi, India

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > BEEJA SPUSTA IS : Pisces 09:18:54.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Here beeja is in even rasi (it should be odd). Retro

> > > jupiter

> > > > > is there so protection is highly reduced and 5th from their is

> > > saturn.

> > > > > > > > > > In D9 Beeja is in kanya Rasi with saturn in it.

> > > > > > > > > > So some long ailment could be possible.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > -------

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The above technique is used with other related factors

> > to

> > > > > identify the problems, such as condition of 5L\H or 9L\H etc.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanking you,

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Vijay Goel

> > > > > > > > > > Jaipur.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ,

> " varun_trvd "

> > > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Respected Vijay ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Let us not mix up 'barrenness' and 'impotancy'. They

> > are

> > > > > entirely two different physical conditions.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sure, Lal Kitab has over a dozen planetary

> > combinations

> > > > > indicating 'barrenness'. If you want to go through them, then

> look

> > > up

> > > > > the files and there is an article on progeny which you might be

> > > > > interested in. Soon Kulbir Bhai will come up with a detailed

> > article

> > > > on

> > > > > progeny.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Here we are discussing what planetary combination in

> a

> > > > > girl's horoscope could lead her to marry an impotant man, a man

> > who

> > > is

> > > > > physically handicapped to fertilise.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , Vijay

> Goel

> > > > > <goyalvj@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Varunji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Weak or highly afflicted venus, dominance of

> > impotent

> > > > > planet like saturn

> > > > > > > > > > > > and mercury, influence of barren rasi like Virgo,

> > Leo,

> > > > > Aquarius, if

> > > > > > > > > > > > related to 5H/L or 7H\L (or 9H\L for females) can

> > > create

> > > > > such a situation.

> > > > > > > > > > > > As per Jaimini system Arudha of 3rd and 9th house

> > and

> > > > its

> > > > > 2,12,6,8

> > > > > > > > > > > > relation with sun also arises such a situation.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > In LK also i have heard some similar combination

> are

> > > > > mentioned but i am

> > > > > > > > > > > > not able to remember now.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > But still with confidence it is difficult to say

> > that

> > > > > husband will be

> > > > > > > > > > > > sure a impotent man.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > This details of both charts of husband and wife

> will

> > > > help

> > > > > us to do some

> > > > > > > > > > > > study. So i am asking from shri M P jain.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thankyou,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Vijay Goel

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jaipur.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

September 9, 2009

Respected Vijay ji,

The Mansagari shlok you have quoted has been uploaded or every one to read. Once again the reference you had provided was not accurate.

Mansagari consists of 5 chapters [adhyay]. Adhyay 1 contains 336 shlok; adhyay 2 contains 275 shlok; adhyay 3 contains 463 shlok; adhyay 4 contains 724 shlok; adhyay 5 contains 447 shlok. The book contains 2245 shlok in all.

The shlok you have quoted is from adhyay 4; shlok # 397. It has been uploaded in the file section.

In the shlok the word â€˜gadantâ€™ has been interpreted to mean the â€˜tithi gadantâ€™, â€˜lagna gadantâ€™ and the â€˜nakshatra gadantâ€™, unlike the Jatak Tatva interpretation which was confined to only the â€˜nakshtra gadantâ€™.

The word â€˜vandhyapatihâ€™ is to be interpreted as â€˜vandhya ka patiâ€™ or the wife of that native will be vandhya â€˜us vyakti ki patni vandhya hogiâ€™. It can not be interpreted as â€˜uska pati vandhya hogaâ€™ or her husband would be barren.

The major difference between your interpretation and mine is that you consider the word impotent as synonymous with barren. Where as I consider the word impotent to mean one who is physically handicapped to consummate.

As for discussing vedic astrology, we from the Aligarh group of Lal Kitab believe that no body can be a good Lal Kitab astrologer unless he is equally good at traditional vedic astrology.

As I had said earlier, there are more than a dozen planetary combinations mentioned in the Lal Kitab which refer to barrenness or inability to have a child. But I have not come across any planetary combination which indicates that the lady will marry a person who will be impotent.

Incidentally, you introduced the traditional astrology into the discussion by quoting from Jatak Tavta. Since we have had a very long study of Vedic astrology, we love delving into that also. We do not consider Lal Kitab as different from traditional vedic astrology. To us Lal Kitab is yet another paddhati of traditional vedic astrology.

Respected Vijay ji, thanks for such an exciting discussion.

Regards,

Varun Trivedi

, "vijay.goel" <goyalvj wrote:>> Dear Varunji,> > Namaskar!> > I am the direct student of Sri K N Rao, Shri Shakti Mohan Singhvi (A serious original research work on Kal-Chakra dasa will be published shortly), Sri Satish Sharma (chairman ICAS jaipur chapter), and many more. and learnt from them 12-13 years back.> Now i am a full time professional astrologer, an official consultant to many big groups in Jaipur.> So what i have learnt basics principle from them is more important for me as i have found true in large number of cases when applied systematically and logically.> I rarely use word to word meaning of sutras as each sutras reveals many meanings and logic. Same planetary combination in different classical works will have different meanings, even opposite.> > For eg.> For the sutra of Jatak tattwa :> > yame ange riksha sandhau shukre aste vandhya stree.> > Same combination is repeated in classical text 'Mansagri' 14th chapter, saptam bhava vichar sloke number 7,> > gandantkale cha kalatrabhave brigoh sute lagngaterthjate> vandhyapatihi shyamnujastdaninam subehshitam no bhavanam khalachya.> > But here instead of 'Risksha rasi' ie last pada of aslesha, jyesta and revati, "Gandhant" word is used which also includes first pada of Aswini, Magha, Mula.> So you will find that in 'Mansagri' six nakshatra pada are taken whereas in 'Jatak tattwa' only three nakshatra pada are considered.> Here 'Vandhay pati' is also used what does it mean ?> > I find Jatak Tattwa to be more logical as explained earlier.> > In the whole chapter in Mansagri, you will rarely find any other word than 'Stree', Does it means that all classical works are only for men and cannot be used for women ?.> > ---------------> Since i am have very less knowledge of sanskrit, it will be better if you find that sloke of Mansagri from your library and explain it in better way and upload it in the file section.> > -----------------> > It would have been better if we would have discussed LK principle regarding the above topic and would deciphered some logical meanings of those instead of directly jumping into traditional astrology.> > Thankyou,> Best Wishes,> Vijay Goel> Jaipur.> > > > > > > > , "varun_trvd" varun_trvd@ wrote:> >> > > > Respected Vijay ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > The author of Jatak Tatva, daivagya Mahadev has been very particular and> > specific in using terms like `stree' and `bharta' for> > wife and husband.> > > > > > > > Had that been not so, then how could one explain these two sutra I am> > quoting now.> > > > > > > > Both the sutra talk of the same planetary combination and yet they give> > two entirely different results for men and women.> > > > > > > > > > > > smare mandagyau punarbhoo bharyaa labhah> > > > > > > > {Jatak Tatva; prakeerna 3; saptam vivek; sutra 96}> > > > > > > > If Saturn and mercury be posited in the 7th house, the native will> > marry a widow `punarbhoo bharya'> > > > > > > > If what you had said was true [words like stree etc to mean spouse] then> > in the case of a lady the same planetary placement should result in her> > marrying a widower.> > > > > > > > But that is not so !> > > > > > > > In another sutra the same author says:> > > > > > > > gyarkjavaste bharta kleevah {Jatak Tatva; Prakeerna 4; sutra 16}> > > > > > > > If mercury and Saturn be in the 7th house, the husband of the woman> > concerned will be impotent.> > > > > > > > This sutra is also talking about the same planetary placement i.e.> > mercury and the Saturn in the 7th house. But the result is entirely> > different in the case of a female nativity. Here the author does not say> > that she will marry a widower as should have been according to your> > logic, instead he says that the person she marries will be impotent; a> > very specific and very particular statement.> > > > > > > > Therefore it is proved that the word `stree' wife is not> > interchangeable with the word `bharta' husband; they are> > non-transferable. The word stree stays to mean a wife as does bharta for> > a husband.> > > > > > > > That being so, in the sutra:> > > > > > > > sottheshachchhau shashthe pandha stree [ Jatak Tatva; prakeerna 3; sutra> > 120]> > > > > > > > the word stree can not be taken to mean a husband.> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "vijay.goel" <goyalvj@>> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Varunji,> > >> > > // Neither of the sutra mentions the word husband as does the sutra> > from> > > Chapter 4 [stree jatak] sutra # 16.//> > >> > > Both sutra clearly mention 'Stree', but as per my learning from Gurus,> > > the word 'Stree' & 'Putra' should be taken as spouse and children in> > > general way unless it is very specific. The sutra you are mentioning> > > comes under the sub-chapter '7th house' which is for spouse house.> > > Normally desh, kaal & patra plus Uha-Puha technique should be used> > with> > > traditional astrology as told by Rishi Parashar.> > >> > > You can also see that 3L & Venus in 6th house principle is working in> > > the given girl's chart by Shri M P Jain as i have explained in brief> > in> > > earlier mails.> > >> > > ---------------> > >> > > You will see that many planetary Karaks as well as application has too> > > much variance with LK principles.> > > For eg. Rahu is considered a karak for Policeman, brother in law, etc> > in> > > LK whereas in traditional astrology Mars is karak.> > >> > > -----------------> > > //If saturn is in lagna in Jal tattwa rasis in the last nakshatra> > pada,> > > & aspected by venus from 7th house.//> > >> > > //if Saturn be rising in rakshi sandhi [ i.e. the 4th qtr of ashlesha,> > > jyeshtha or revati] and venus be in the 7th house//> > >> > > Please note that both the statement has same meanings.> > >> > > I used Jal-tattwa rasi because jal-tattwa is main karak for love & > > > marriage philosopy.> > > Last pada ie 4th pada of last nakshatra means 'Moksha Pada ' .> > Therefore> > > marriage could be denied if venus also aspects it.> > > This is the basic interpretation i have understood [why NOT first> > > nakshata pada of Aswini, Magha, Mula ?].> > >> > > ------------------> > >> > > Thankyou for uploading the right sutras for all the members.> > >> > > There are many more sutras related to above topic in other classical> > > books, i hope other members should come forwards with it.> > >> > > Thankyou,> > > Vijay Goel> > > Jaipur.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , "varun_trvd"> > > varun_trvd@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Respected Vijay ji,> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > You have said:> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > â€œIf saturn is in lagna in Jal tattwa rasis in the last> > > nakshatra> > > > pada, & > > > > aspected by venus from 7th house, spouse could be> > > > impotent\barren.â€> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > The actual sutra is :> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > yame ange riksha sandhau shukre aste vandhya stree> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > if Saturn be rising in rakshi sandhi [ i.e. the 4th qtr of ashlesha,> > > > jyeshtha or revati] and venus be in the 7th house the wife will be> > > > vandhya [ barren]> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Or> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > You have said :> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > If 3rd lord and Venus is in 6th house, than spouse could be> > > > impotent\barren.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > The actual sutra is :> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Sottheshakchhau shashthe pandha stree> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > If the lord of the 3rd house and venus occupy the 6th house, the> > wife> > > of> > > > the native will be eunuch.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > In both the sutra there is a mention of the wife [stree], in one> > case> > > a> > > > vandhya [barren] and in another pandha [eunuch].> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Neither of the sutra mentions the word husband as does the sutra> > from> > > > Chapter 4 [stree jatak] sutra # 16.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Therefore, it will not be justified to take these two sutra to mean> > > that> > > > a young lady, with these combinations, will get married to an> > impotent> > > > man. Had it been so, the word husband would have been used.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > [ both the sutra # 119 & 120; quoted above have been uploaded in the> > > > files in their original form]> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Varun Trivedi> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , "vijay.goel" goyalvj@> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Varunji,> > > > >> > > > > The slokes you have uploaded is not the slokes i am referring at.> > > > > Atleast you should have match & verified the conditioned i have> > > quoted> > > > > in my previous mail.> > > > >> > > > > In my book, same slokes you have uploaded are present with> > different> > > > > numbering. Read next 20 more slokes from your book you will get> > the> > > > > combination i have quoted in the previous mail.> > > > >> > > > > The book I have is Jatak tattwa, Hindi commentary by Dr. Suresh> > > > Chandra> > > > > Sastri, Rajan Publication.> > > > > The slokes i have mentioned is present in page number 205-6 under> > > the> > > > > heading, "Rogini ya Viklangta Aadi Stree ke yog"> > > > >> > > > > Still if you don't find it, i will scan the page and mail it to> > you> > > so> > > > > that you can upload it for all other members.> > > > >> > > > > Thankyou,> > > > > Best Wishes,> > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > Jaipur.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , "varun_trvd"> > > > > varun_trvd@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Respected Vijay ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > I have just now uploaded the original shloks from Jatak Tatva> > 3rd> > > > > > Prakirna, 7th vivek, shlok 110 -116 through two files.> > > > > >> > > > > > It is for every one to see that there is no mention of impotancy> > > or> > > > > > barrenness in those shloks> > > > > >> > > > > > On the contrary they mention that the woman will be " Jarini" an> > > > > > adultress ; or 'Kudara' of wicked disposition.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > , "vijay.goel"> > goyalvj@> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Varunji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Chapter 3rd Prakirn Tatvam, Saptam vivek, sloke number> > 110-116.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I hope you will get it.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > The classical combination you are quoting of mer+ sat in 7th> > > house> > > > > for> > > > > > impotent husband is in chapter 4,sloke number 16-17.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thankyou,> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > > Jaipur.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > , "varun_trvd"> > > > varun_trvd@> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Respected Vijay ji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > In our library we have ' Jatak Tatvam' By Mahadev;> > translated> > > by> > > > > V.> > > > > > Subramanya Shastri published in 1941. It is in Sanskrit with> > > English> > > > > > translation. It consists of 376 pages.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I was looking for the Shloks you have quoted. I could not> > find> > > > > them.> > > > > > > > Could you help me find them?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The book consists of 5 chapters [ tatva ]. Which tatva or> > > > chapter> > > > > > these shlok have been quoted from?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > , "vijay.goel"> > > > > <goyalvj@>> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Respected Varunji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Namaskar,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > //What we are discussing here is that ' are there some> > > > planetary> > > > > > combinations in the horoscope of the girl which could indicate> > > that> > > > > she> > > > > > is likely to marry a person who will be impotant?'> > > > > > > > > .....> > > > > > > > > I knew of one such combination [ a possibility if two> > > napunsak> > > > > > grah are in her 7th house] which I had already shared.> > > > > > > > > //> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > One classical combination for Napunshak greh.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 1)If saturn & mercury, both is in 7th house, Native> > marries> > > > with> > > > > a> > > > > > already earlier married spouse. {This could means that the> > spouse> > > > > could> > > > > > be divorcee in legal terms.} [Jatak Tatwam sloke no 116]> > > > > > > > > This same result is also with saturn + moon in 7th house.> > If> > > > > rahu> > > > > > in 7th than marriage with the widow\ widower.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 2)If saturn is in lagna in Jal tattwa rasis in the last> > > > > nakshatra> > > > > > pada, & aspected by venus from 7th house, spouse could be> > > > > > impotent\barren.[Jatak Tattwa sloke no 110]> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 3)If 3rd lord and Venus is in 6th house, than spouse could> > > be> > > > > > impotent\barren. [ jatak tattwa sloke 115]> > > > > > > > > We see that in kal-purush kundli venus gets debilitated in> > > 6th> > > > > > house.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > In the female horoscope example given by shri M p jain, we> > > see> > > > > > that 3rd lord venus is debilitated in Navamsha fulfilling the> > the> > > > main> > > > > > theme of this above point number 3.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ---------------> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > All above classical combination must be seen in navamsha> > as> > > > per> > > > > my> > > > > > thinking, considering many other factors simultaneously.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > There are many more combination in other classical works,> > > but> > > > > more> > > > > > research in this field is needed.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Thankyou,> > > > > > > > > Best Wishes,> > > > > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > > > > Jaipur.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > , "varun_trvd"> > > > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Respected Vijay ji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The method of 'beej spashtha' and 'kshetra spashtha' to> > > > > > ascertain the viability of progeny is a very well known and> > often> > > > used> > > > > > tool.This is the first excercise any one would do in the case of> > a> > > > > > childless couple.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Secondly, I would prefer studying D7 for the progeny> > > instead> > > > > of> > > > > > D9.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The 'beej spashtha' and 'kshetra spashtha' technique can> > > be> > > > > > applied only after marriage when the kundali of the husband is> > > also> > > > > > available, because then only the beej spashtha can be found.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > What we are discussing here is that ' are there some> > > > planetary> > > > > > combinations in the horoscope of the girl which could indicate> > > that> > > > > she> > > > > > is likely to marry a person who will be impotant?'> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > In other words can it be found from the horoscope of a> > > girl> > > > > that> > > > > > she is destined to marry an impotant man? [ no horoscope of> > > husband> > > > > yet]> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I knew of one such combination [ a possibility if two> > > > napunsak> > > > > > grah are in her 7th house] which I had already shared.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > If you are aware of any such planetary combinations,> > > please> > > > > > share with us.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > , "vijay.goel"> > > > > > <goyalvj@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Respected Varunji & members,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I will go through the file section of LK combination.> > > You> > > > > have> > > > > > enriched this file section with many more files.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I think 'Barrenness' is the term used for the> > > infertility> > > > of> > > > > > females (inability to conceive (egg) or bear (field) the child> > > (mars> > > > > is> > > > > > karak) and 'impotency' is used for the infertility in males> > > > (weakness> > > > > of> > > > > > semen (venus is karak)).> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Both term is used for physical weakness and for this> > > > > > calculation 'Beeja spusta' (Seed longitudes) for males and> > 'Shetra> > > > > > spusta' (Field longitude) for females is advices in traditional> > > > > > astrology.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > 1)'Bheeja Spusta' add longitude of 'Sun + Jupiter +> > > > venus'.> > > > > > > > > > > 2)'Shetra Spusta' add longitude of 'Moon + Jupiter +> > > > Mars'.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > In the chart of female as provided by shri M P jain.> > > > > > > > > > > July 27, 1980> > > > > > > > > > > Time: 8:30:00> > > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > > > > > > Place: 79 E 57' 00", 23 N 10' 00"> > > > > > > > > > > Jabalpur, India> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > SHESTRA SPUSTA (SS) comes in Scorpio 04:56:58.> > > > > > > > > > > scorpio is even and fruitful rasi aspected by Venus,> > > also> > > > SS> > > > > > in Capricon Navamsha so child bearing is possible.> > > > > > > > > > > Since Saturn is aspecting SS in rasi and in D9 saturn> > is> > > > in> > > > > > capricon, so delay is seen.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Now> > > > > > > > > > > Husband Chart:> > > > > > > > > > > November 2, 1975> > > > > > > > > > > Time: 22:25:00> > > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > > > > > > Place: 77 E 13' 00", 28 N 40' 00"> > > > > > > > > > > Delhi, India> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > BEEJA SPUSTA IS : Pisces 09:18:54.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Here beeja is in even rasi (it should be odd). Retro> > > > jupiter> > > > > > is there so protection is highly reduced and 5th from their is> > > > saturn.> > > > > > > > > > > In D9 Beeja is in kanya Rasi with saturn in it.> > > > > > > > > > > So some long ailment could be possible.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > -------> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > The above technique is used with other related factors> > > to> > > > > > identify the problems, such as condition of 5L\H or 9L\H etc.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Thanking you,> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > > > > > > Jaipur.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ,> > "varun_trvd"> > > > > > <varun_trvd@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Vijay ji,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Let us not mix up 'barrenness' and 'impotancy'. They> > > are> > > > > > entirely two different physical conditions.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Sure, Lal Kitab has over a dozen planetary> > > combinations> > > > > > indicating 'barrenness'. If you want to go through them, then> > look> > > > up> > > > > > the files and there is an article on progeny which you might be> > > > > > interested in. Soon Kulbir Bhai will come up with a detailed> > > article> > > > > on> > > > > > progeny.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Here we are discussing what planetary combination in> > a> > > > > > girl's horoscope could lead her to marry an impotant man, a man> > > who> > > > is> > > > > > physically handicapped to fertilise.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > , Vijay> > Goel> > > > > > <goyalvj@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Varunji,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Weak or highly afflicted venus, dominance of> > > impotent> > > > > > planet like saturn> > > > > > > > > > > > > and mercury, influence of barren rasi like Virgo,> > > Leo,> > > > > > Aquarius, if> > > > > > > > > > > > > related to 5H/L or 7H\L (or 9H\L for females) can> > > > create> > > > > > such a situation.> > > > > > > > > > > > > As per Jaimini system Arudha of 3rd and 9th house> > > and> > > > > its> > > > > > 2,12,6,8> > > > > > > > > > > > > relation with sun also arises such a situation.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > In LK also i have heard some similar combination> > are> > > > > > mentioned but i am> > > > > > > > > > > > > not able to remember now.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > But still with confidence it is difficult to say> > > that> > > > > > husband will be> > > > > > > > > > > > > sure a impotent man.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > This details of both charts of husband and wife> > will> > > > > help> > > > > > us to do some> > > > > > > > > > > > > study. So i am asking from shri M P jain.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thankyou,> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jaipur.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

September 9, 2009

Varun ji;

you are right, impotency and incapacity to reproduce

children cannot be taken to have the same meaning. Lalkitab clearly

uses the terms namard, and hijda for the former and laavalad and

naqabil aulaad for the latter.

Regards

Kulbir

Impontancy of Husband.

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