Guest guest Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Sunny ji, house no 8 is refferred to as headquarter of saturn. Whenever saturn and venus are in association. Mercury automatically comes associated as resultant. This association also brings sun in confrontation. House no is also under ownership of mars. The net result is that venus's closest entity to native i.e. Spouse gets short tempered and manifests itself through mercury/zubaan. Any sudden angry outburst is attributed to influence of rahu in mind. Therefore the refuge is also suggested from rahu by offering copper/sun or flower/mercury to dirty water drain. Why drain? Becase Moon/Water is also of considerable importance here. Regards. Kulbir. On 9/17/09, sunnysingh166 <sunnysingh166 wrote: > Hello Friends, > > As per Lal Kitab Venus in 8th house shows that one will have a wife with > short-tempered who is also dominating. Can someone please share the details > of this situation and what can nullify this impact? > > Please note that my study of Lal KItab is based on U. C Mahajan & Mr. > Goswami's translations. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Respected Sunny ji, Kulbir bhai has already explained the dynamics so beautifully. Just adding onto what he has said: If either moon, mars or mercury are well placed in the kundali, venus would not act belligerently. “chandra,mangal,budh qayam hote, asar shukra na manda ho†Regards, Varun Trivedi , kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: > > Sunny ji, > > house no 8 is refferred to as headquarter of saturn. > Whenever saturn and venus are in association. Mercury automatically > comes associated as resultant. This association also brings sun in > confrontation. House no is also under ownership of mars. The net > result is that venus's closest entity to native i.e. Spouse gets short > tempered and manifests itself through mercury/zubaan. Any sudden angry > outburst is attributed to influence of rahu in mind. Therefore the > refuge is also suggested from rahu by offering copper/sun or > flower/mercury to dirty water drain. Why drain? Becase Moon/Water is > also of considerable importance here. > > Regards. > > Kulbir. > > > > > On 9/17/09, sunnysingh166 <sunnysingh166 wrote: > > Hello Friends, > > > > As per Lal Kitab Venus in 8th house shows that one will have a wife with > > short-tempered who is also dominating. Can someone please share the details > > of this situation and what can nullify this impact? > > > > Please note that my study of Lal KItab is based on U. C Mahajan & Mr. > > Goswami's translations. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 kulbir, well explained, few queries, house no 8 (mangal and shani) shuker in house no 8 (shani F (shani ne shuker se ankh udhar li), Mangal E (bander and gay ki dosti?) now shuker in house of F + E, the nature of lady will depend upon the placement of Shani or shuker in tewa...... How does budh get involved........... (if u r taking making of shuker (merging of mangal with budh will result in shuker then that is totally different theory) secondly the ganda nala (ref upaya) is described as rahu in lal kitab not chander the upaya is combination of sun or budh vs Rahu. as book says, masunoi greh mein se dushman ko hataya gayey. (shuker-rahu-ketu) above all we have forget the touch or role of chander in it. , kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: > > Sunny ji, > > house no 8 is refferred to as headquarter of saturn. > Whenever saturn and venus are in association. Mercury automatically > comes associated as resultant. This association also brings sun in > confrontation. House no is also under ownership of mars. The net > result is that venus's closest entity to native i.e. Spouse gets short > tempered and manifests itself through mercury/zubaan. Any sudden angry > outburst is attributed to influence of rahu in mind. Therefore the > refuge is also suggested from rahu by offering copper/sun or > flower/mercury to dirty water drain. Why drain? Becase Moon/Water is > also of considerable importance here. > > Regards. > > Kulbir. > > > > > On 9/17/09, sunnysingh166 <sunnysingh166 wrote: > > Hello Friends, > > > > As per Lal Kitab Venus in 8th house shows that one will have a wife with > > short-tempered who is also dominating. Can someone please share the details > > of this situation and what can nullify this impact? > > > > Please note that my study of Lal KItab is based on U. C Mahajan & Mr. > > Goswami's translations. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Respected Sirs, Thanks everyone for responding to my query. I think it makes great sense now. respectfully Sunny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 S Leekhas ji, Such confusions are bound to occur when you ignore the basics. Kindly read page 155-156 of armaan, this will clear from where mercury and sun came from better still if you go through the farmaans also. Keeping this background study shukar's relation with mangal and shani in 8. Rest of the comditions are clearly listed in 41, 42 and 52. Why involve gai bandar saanp stories when logic per se planet and houses is there.If u still have some problem then we can discuss further. Regards. Kulbir. On 9/17/09, sleekhas <sleekhas wrote: > kulbir, > > well explained, few queries, > > house no 8 (mangal and shani) > > shuker in house no 8 > > (shani F (shani ne shuker se ankh udhar li), Mangal E (bander and gay ki > dosti?) > > now shuker in house of F + E, the nature of lady will depend upon the > placement of Shani or shuker in tewa...... > > How does budh get involved........... (if u r taking making of shuker > (merging of mangal with budh will result in shuker then that is totally > different theory) > > secondly the ganda nala (ref upaya) is described as rahu in lal kitab not > chander the upaya is combination of sun or budh vs Rahu. > > as book says, masunoi greh mein se dushman ko hataya gayey. > (shuker-rahu-ketu) > > above all we have forget the touch or role of chander in it. > > > > > , kulbir bance <kulbirbance > wrote: >> >> Sunny ji, >> >> house no 8 is refferred to as headquarter of saturn. >> Whenever saturn and venus are in association. Mercury automatically >> comes associated as resultant. This association also brings sun in >> confrontation. House no is also under ownership of mars. The net >> result is that venus's closest entity to native i.e. Spouse gets short >> tempered and manifests itself through mercury/zubaan. Any sudden angry >> outburst is attributed to influence of rahu in mind. Therefore the >> refuge is also suggested from rahu by offering copper/sun or >> flower/mercury to dirty water drain. Why drain? Becase Moon/Water is >> also of considerable importance here. >> >> Regards. >> >> Kulbir. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 9/17/09, sunnysingh166 <sunnysingh166 wrote: >> > Hello Friends, >> > >> > As per Lal Kitab Venus in 8th house shows that one will have a wife with >> > short-tempered who is also dominating. Can someone please share the >> > details >> > of this situation and what can nullify this impact? >> > >> > Please note that my study of Lal KItab is based on U. C Mahajan & Mr. >> > Goswami's translations. >> > >> > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 Leekha Sahib, Sabse badi baat to yeh hai ki Pujya Pandit Jee ne yahan se Rahu ko hatane ke liye GANDA NAALA hee kyon chuna?, mein aapki iss baat se sehmat hoon ki (as book says, masunoi greh mein se dushman ko hataya gayey. (shuker-rahu-ketu) Abb agar yahan par RAHU ka bura asar hai to Pandit jee ne RAHU 8 ka hee rasta kyon nahi chuna? lekin yahan par to BUDH(phool) aur SURYA(tamba ka paisa) ko GANDA NAALA mein daalne ke liya kaha ja raha hai.aur yeh dono hee Shukar mein kisi tarah bhee shamil nahi. MAHAJAN , " sleekhas " <sleekhas wrote: > > kulbir, > > well explained, few queries, > > house no 8 (mangal and shani) > > shuker in house no 8 > > (shani F (shani ne shuker se ankh udhar li), Mangal E (bander and gay ki dosti?) > > now shuker in house of F + E, the nature of lady will depend upon the placement of Shani or shuker in tewa...... > > How does budh get involved........... (if u r taking making of shuker (merging of mangal with budh will result in shuker then that is totally different theory) > > secondly the ganda nala (ref upaya) is described as rahu in lal kitab not chander the upaya is combination of sun or budh vs Rahu. > > as book says, masunoi greh mein se dushman ko hataya gayey. (shuker-rahu-ketu) > > above all we have forget the touch or role of chander in it. > > > > > , kulbir bance <kulbirbance@> wrote: > > > > Sunny ji, > > > > house no 8 is refferred to as headquarter of saturn. > > Whenever saturn and venus are in association. Mercury automatically > > comes associated as resultant. This association also brings sun in > > confrontation. House no is also under ownership of mars. The net > > result is that venus's closest entity to native i.e. Spouse gets short > > tempered and manifests itself through mercury/zubaan. Any sudden angry > > outburst is attributed to influence of rahu in mind. Therefore the > > refuge is also suggested from rahu by offering copper/sun or > > flower/mercury to dirty water drain. Why drain? Becase Moon/Water is > > also of considerable importance here. > > > > Regards. > > > > Kulbir. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 9/17/09, sunnysingh166 <sunnysingh166@> wrote: > > > Hello Friends, > > > > > > As per Lal Kitab Venus in 8th house shows that one will have a wife with > > > short-tempered who is also dominating. Can someone please share the details > > > of this situation and what can nullify this impact? > > > > > > Please note that my study of Lal KItab is based on U. C Mahajan & Mr. > > > Goswami's translations. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 Respected Mahajan ji, use of masnui in remedies is not exclusive. It is one of various methods. The correct/effective remedy can only be devised by taking all planets in account. For venus 8 in isolation pt. Krishan ashant in trik bhavano ki gaatha has reshaped the form of upaya as offering wheat flour ball to a black cow for 8 sundays. Ganda naala entity of rahu which constitutes of refuse mixed with water. The content of water however depleted brings in element of moon. And position of moon is of paramount condition in case of venus sitting in house of mars and saturn. That's why offering of sun and budh to ganda naala is reccomended. Regards Kulbir. On 9/18/09, heartzthief54 <heartzthief54 wrote: > Leekha Sahib, > Sabse badi baat to yeh hai ki Pujya Pandit Jee ne yahan se Rahu ko hatane ke > liye GANDA NAALA hee kyon chuna?, mein aapki iss baat se sehmat hoon ki (as > book says, masunoi greh mein se dushman ko hataya gayey. (shuker-rahu-ketu) > Abb agar yahan par RAHU ka bura asar hai to Pandit jee ne RAHU 8 ka hee > rasta kyon nahi chuna? lekin yahan par to BUDH(phool) aur SURYA(tamba ka > paisa) ko GANDA NAALA mein daalne ke liya kaha ja raha hai.aur yeh dono hee > Shukar mein kisi tarah bhee shamil nahi. > > MAHAJAN > , " sleekhas " <sleekhas wrote: >> >> kulbir, >> >> well explained, few queries, >> >> house no 8 (mangal and shani) >> >> shuker in house no 8 >> >> (shani F (shani ne shuker se ankh udhar li), Mangal E (bander and gay ki >> dosti?) >> >> now shuker in house of F + E, the nature of lady will depend upon the >> placement of Shani or shuker in tewa...... >> >> How does budh get involved........... (if u r taking making of shuker >> (merging of mangal with budh will result in shuker then that is totally >> different theory) >> >> secondly the ganda nala (ref upaya) is described as rahu in lal kitab not >> chander the upaya is combination of sun or budh vs Rahu. >> >> as book says, masunoi greh mein se dushman ko hataya gayey. >> (shuker-rahu-ketu) >> >> above all we have forget the touch or role of chander in it. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> , kulbir bance <kulbirbance@> >> wrote: >> > >> > Sunny ji, >> > >> > house no 8 is refferred to as headquarter of saturn. >> > Whenever saturn and venus are in association. Mercury automatically >> > comes associated as resultant. This association also brings sun in >> > confrontation. House no is also under ownership of mars. The net >> > result is that venus's closest entity to native i.e. Spouse gets short >> > tempered and manifests itself through mercury/zubaan. Any sudden angry >> > outburst is attributed to influence of rahu in mind. Therefore the >> > refuge is also suggested from rahu by offering copper/sun or >> > flower/mercury to dirty water drain. Why drain? Becase Moon/Water is >> > also of considerable importance here. >> > >> > Regards. >> > >> > Kulbir. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On 9/17/09, sunnysingh166 <sunnysingh166@> wrote: >> > > Hello Friends, >> > > >> > > As per Lal Kitab Venus in 8th house shows that one will have a wife >> > > with >> > > short-tempered who is also dominating. Can someone please share the >> > > details >> > > of this situation and what can nullify this impact? >> > > >> > > Please note that my study of Lal KItab is based on U. C Mahajan & Mr. >> > > Goswami's translations. >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 Adarneeya Mahajan ji, 8va bhav ganda nala hai, jis par rahu ka adhikar hai. 8ve bhav mein baitha shukra apne shatru rahu ke ghar mein peedit hai Aisi paristhiti mein do hi sambhavanayen ho sakti hai [a] Shukra ko 8ve ghar se bahar nikal liya jaye, jaisa ki Chandra 8 ke liye kiya gaya, ki shamshan ka paani lakar ghar mein rakh len. Is tarah 8 ke Chandra ko shamshan se bahar nikal liya gaya. agar shukra ko bahar nahi nakala ja sakata to us ko bahar se madad bhej di jaye; jaisa ki khan mein phase majdooron ke liye kiya jata hai. Jab tak khan mein phase majdoor bahar nahi nikale jate tab tak unko bahar se khana, paani, oxygen bheji jaati hai. Chunki aisi koi karak vastu nahi hai jo shukra 8 ki pratinidhi ho aur jisko shamshan se bahar laya ja sake [ like water for moon in the 8th]. Isliye ek hi soorat bachti hai ki shukra ko bahar se madad bheji jaaye. Lal Kitab ne is ke liye anya upayaon ke atirikta do upaya sujhaye hai. [1] gande nale mein 43 din lagatar ek phool pheka jaye. Phool budh ka karak hai, budh rahu aur shukra dono ka mitra hai, isliye budh bacha lega shukra ko rahu ke prakop se. [2] gande nale mein tambe ka paisa 43 din lagatar pheka jaye. Tambe ka paisa soorya ka dyotak hai. Surya = budh + shukra. Atah gande naale mein paisa dalne se shukra ko bal milega saath hi budh jaise mitra ki bhi madad milegi. Atah in dono upayaon se Rahu ko hataane ki baat nahi hai balki shukra ko rahu se bachane ki baat hai. Aadar sahit, Varun Trivedi , " heartzthief54 " <heartzthief54 wrote: > > Leekha Sahib, > Sabse badi baat to yeh hai ki Pujya Pandit Jee ne yahan se Rahu ko hatane ke liye GANDA NAALA hee kyon chuna?, mein aapki iss baat se sehmat hoon ki (as book says, masunoi greh mein se dushman ko hataya gayey. (shuker-rahu-ketu) > Abb agar yahan par RAHU ka bura asar hai to Pandit jee ne RAHU 8 ka hee rasta kyon nahi chuna? lekin yahan par to BUDH(phool) aur SURYA(tamba ka paisa) ko GANDA NAALA mein daalne ke liya kaha ja raha hai.aur yeh dono hee Shukar mein kisi tarah bhee shamil nahi. > > MAHAJAN > , " sleekhas " <sleekhas@> wrote: > > > > kulbir, > > > > well explained, few queries, > > > > house no 8 (mangal and shani) > > > > shuker in house no 8 > > > > (shani F (shani ne shuker se ankh udhar li), Mangal E (bander and gay ki dosti?) > > > > now shuker in house of F + E, the nature of lady will depend upon the placement of Shani or shuker in tewa...... > > > > How does budh get involved........... (if u r taking making of shuker (merging of mangal with budh will result in shuker then that is totally different theory) > > > > secondly the ganda nala (ref upaya) is described as rahu in lal kitab not chander the upaya is combination of sun or budh vs Rahu. > > > > as book says, masunoi greh mein se dushman ko hataya gayey. (shuker-rahu-ketu) > > > > above all we have forget the touch or role of chander in it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kulbir bance <kulbirbance@> wrote: > > > > > > Sunny ji, > > > > > > house no 8 is refferred to as headquarter of saturn. > > > Whenever saturn and venus are in association. Mercury automatically > > > comes associated as resultant. This association also brings sun in > > > confrontation. House no is also under ownership of mars. The net > > > result is that venus's closest entity to native i.e. Spouse gets short > > > tempered and manifests itself through mercury/zubaan. Any sudden angry > > > outburst is attributed to influence of rahu in mind. Therefore the > > > refuge is also suggested from rahu by offering copper/sun or > > > flower/mercury to dirty water drain. Why drain? Becase Moon/Water is > > > also of considerable importance here. > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > Kulbir. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 9/17/09, sunnysingh166 <sunnysingh166@> wrote: > > > > Hello Friends, > > > > > > > > As per Lal Kitab Venus in 8th house shows that one will have a wife with > > > > short-tempered who is also dominating. Can someone please share the details > > > > of this situation and what can nullify this impact? > > > > > > > > Please note that my study of Lal KItab is based on U. C Mahajan & Mr. > > > > Goswami's translations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 dear mahajan ji, let me tell what i understand, khana no 8 (malik mangal and pacca ghar mangal shani) shuker (rahu ketu) agar yehan dekhey to mangal 2 hissa aur shani ek hissa shamil hai ghar mein. mangal ek hissa to gaya shuker mein (budh+mangal-shuker ladki ka aurat banna) baki bacha mangal ek hissa and shani ek hissa ghar mein aur greh mein hai 2 hissaey Rahu+ketu) shuker ka basic upaya hai cow feeding.. and dusrey hai rahu ko uch kerna keyonki woh shuker ka dost hai.... but the upaya should not through ketu (as per the basic principle of lalkitab for rahu we have to do ketu ka upaya and for ketu we have to do rahu ka upaya) keyonki yehan per ketu bali ka bakra hai, Mangal ka bhi aur shani ka bhi isi liyey rahu ki shanti key liyey rahu (gandey naley) mein budh ke phool dalney ko keha gaya hai as rahu and budh are dost. to is upaya mein budh liya gaya hai rahu ko shant kerney key liey. then why surya (tanmbey ka sikka) this is still an question :-) , " heartzthief54 " <heartzthief54 wrote: > > Leekha Sahib, > Sabse badi baat to yeh hai ki Pujya Pandit Jee ne yahan se Rahu ko hatane ke liye GANDA NAALA hee kyon chuna?, mein aapki iss baat se sehmat hoon ki (as book says, masunoi greh mein se dushman ko hataya gayey. (shuker-rahu-ketu) > Abb agar yahan par RAHU ka bura asar hai to Pandit jee ne RAHU 8 ka hee rasta kyon nahi chuna? lekin yahan par to BUDH(phool) aur SURYA(tamba ka paisa) ko GANDA NAALA mein daalne ke liya kaha ja raha hai.aur yeh dono hee Shukar mein kisi tarah bhee shamil nahi. > > MAHAJAN > , " sleekhas " <sleekhas@> wrote: > > > > kulbir, > > > > well explained, few queries, > > > > house no 8 (mangal and shani) > > > > shuker in house no 8 > > > > (shani F (shani ne shuker se ankh udhar li), Mangal E (bander and gay ki dosti?) > > > > now shuker in house of F + E, the nature of lady will depend upon the placement of Shani or shuker in tewa...... > > > > How does budh get involved........... (if u r taking making of shuker (merging of mangal with budh will result in shuker then that is totally different theory) > > > > secondly the ganda nala (ref upaya) is described as rahu in lal kitab not chander the upaya is combination of sun or budh vs Rahu. > > > > as book says, masunoi greh mein se dushman ko hataya gayey. (shuker-rahu-ketu) > > > > above all we have forget the touch or role of chander in it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kulbir bance <kulbirbance@> wrote: > > > > > > Sunny ji, > > > > > > house no 8 is refferred to as headquarter of saturn. > > > Whenever saturn and venus are in association. Mercury automatically > > > comes associated as resultant. This association also brings sun in > > > confrontation. House no is also under ownership of mars. The net > > > result is that venus's closest entity to native i.e. Spouse gets short > > > tempered and manifests itself through mercury/zubaan. Any sudden angry > > > outburst is attributed to influence of rahu in mind. Therefore the > > > refuge is also suggested from rahu by offering copper/sun or > > > flower/mercury to dirty water drain. Why drain? Becase Moon/Water is > > > also of considerable importance here. > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > Kulbir. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 9/17/09, sunnysingh166 <sunnysingh166@> wrote: > > > > Hello Friends, > > > > > > > > As per Lal Kitab Venus in 8th house shows that one will have a wife with > > > > short-tempered who is also dominating. Can someone please share the details > > > > of this situation and what can nullify this impact? > > > > > > > > Please note that my study of Lal KItab is based on U. C Mahajan & Mr. > > > > Goswami's translations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 Aadarneeya Leekha ji, Aapne likha hai: and dusrey hai rahu ko uch kerna keyonki woh shuker ka dost hai.... Rahu aur shukra paraspar shatru hain. Aadar sahit, Varun Trivedi , "sleekhas" <sleekhas wrote:>> dear mahajan ji,> > let me tell what i understand,> > khana no 8 (malik mangal and pacca ghar mangal shani)> > shuker (rahu ketu)> > agar yehan dekhey to mangal 2 hissa aur shani ek hissa shamil hai ghar mein.> > > mangal ek hissa to gaya shuker mein > > (budh+mangal-shuker ladki ka aurat banna)> > baki bacha mangal ek hissa and shani ek hissa ghar mein aur greh mein hai 2 hissaey Rahu+ketu) shuker ka basic upaya hai cow feeding.. and dusrey hai rahu ko uch kerna keyonki woh shuker ka dost hai....> > but the upaya should not through ketu (as per the basic principle of lalkitab for rahu we have to do ketu ka upaya and for ketu we have to do rahu ka upaya) > > keyonki yehan per ketu bali ka bakra hai, Mangal ka bhi aur shani ka bhi > > isi liyey rahu ki shanti key liyey rahu (gandey naley) mein budh ke phool dalney ko keha gaya hai as rahu and budh are dost.> > > to is upaya mein budh liya gaya hai rahu ko shant kerney key liey.> > then why surya (tanmbey ka sikka) this is still an question :-)> > > , "heartzthief54" heartzthief54@ wrote:> >> > Leekha Sahib,> > Sabse badi baat to yeh hai ki Pujya Pandit Jee ne yahan se Rahu ko hatane ke liye GANDA NAALA hee kyon chuna?, mein aapki iss baat se sehmat hoon ki (as book says, masunoi greh mein se dushman ko hataya gayey. (shuker-rahu-ketu)> > Abb agar yahan par RAHU ka bura asar hai to Pandit jee ne RAHU 8 ka hee rasta kyon nahi chuna? lekin yahan par to BUDH(phool) aur SURYA(tamba ka paisa) ko GANDA NAALA mein daalne ke liya kaha ja raha hai.aur yeh dono hee Shukar mein kisi tarah bhee shamil nahi.> > > > MAHAJAN > > , "sleekhas" <sleekhas@> wrote:> > >> > > kulbir,> > > > > > well explained, few queries,> > > > > > house no 8 (mangal and shani)> > > > > > shuker in house no 8 > > > > > > (shani F (shani ne shuker se ankh udhar li), Mangal E (bander and gay ki dosti?)> > > > > > now shuker in house of F + E, the nature of lady will depend upon the placement of Shani or shuker in tewa......> > > > > > How does budh get involved........... (if u r taking making of shuker (merging of mangal with budh will result in shuker then that is totally different theory)> > > > > > secondly the ganda nala (ref upaya) is described as rahu in lal kitab not chander the upaya is combination of sun or budh vs Rahu.> > > > > > as book says, masunoi greh mein se dushman ko hataya gayey. (shuker-rahu-ketu)> > > > > > above all we have forget the touch or role of chander in it.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kulbir bance <kulbirbance@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Sunny ji, > > > > > > > > house no 8 is refferred to as headquarter of saturn.> > > > Whenever saturn and venus are in association. Mercury automatically> > > > comes associated as resultant. This association also brings sun in> > > > confrontation. House no is also under ownership of mars. The net> > > > result is that venus's closest entity to native i.e. Spouse gets short> > > > tempered and manifests itself through mercury/zubaan. Any sudden angry> > > > outburst is attributed to influence of rahu in mind. Therefore the> > > > refuge is also suggested from rahu by offering copper/sun or> > > > flower/mercury to dirty water drain. Why drain? Becase Moon/Water is> > > > also of considerable importance here. > > > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > > > Kulbir.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 9/17/09, sunnysingh166 <sunnysingh166@> wrote:> > > > > Hello Friends,> > > > >> > > > > As per Lal Kitab Venus in 8th house shows that one will have a wife with> > > > > short-tempered who is also dominating. Can someone please share the details> > > > > of this situation and what can nullify this impact?> > > > >> > > > > Please note that my study of Lal KItab is based on U. C Mahajan & Mr.> > > > > Goswami's translations.> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 Leekha ji, You hold that mercury becomes a part of venus because a girl(Budh) converts into lady(venus) after mensturation(mangal) starts. masnui of venus are clearly defined as rahu + ketu. Venus means an independent entity which has come to the native after already undergoing that process. Mars and Mercury get effective when the daughter of the native reaches mensturating stage. she represents venus for her spouse but still remains budh for her father which is now associated with influence of mars. Similarly wife/spouse cannot be considered as combination of mangal+budh for the native. After giving birth to children this venus converts into moon for them but its status of being entity of venus for her husband remains unaltered. Plus what if venus is in 8th house of a female. Kindly give it a thought. If we go on making masnui constitutes like this. It will lead to a chaos. Pt. Ji has very adaptly noted down the masnuis. Is there a need to make further additions to it. Also please share how u think the copper/sun upaya remains unexplained even after reading preeciding mails. Regards . Kulbir. 9915932600. Chandigarh. On 9/18/09, sleekhas <sleekhas wrote: > dear mahajan ji, > > let me tell what i understand, > > khana no 8 (malik mangal and pacca ghar mangal shani) > > shuker (rahu ketu) > > agar yehan dekhey to mangal 2 hissa aur shani ek hissa shamil hai ghar mein. > > > mangal ek hissa to gaya shuker mein > > (budh+mangal-shuker ladki ka aurat banna) > > baki bacha mangal ek hissa and shani ek hissa ghar mein aur greh mein hai 2 > hissaey Rahu+ketu) shuker ka basic upaya hai cow feeding.. and dusrey hai > rahu ko uch kerna keyonki woh shuker ka dost hai.... > > but the upaya should not through ketu (as per the basic principle of > lalkitab for rahu we have to do ketu ka upaya and for ketu we have to do > rahu ka upaya) > > keyonki yehan per ketu bali ka bakra hai, Mangal ka bhi aur shani ka bhi > > isi liyey rahu ki shanti key liyey rahu (gandey naley) mein budh ke phool > dalney ko keha gaya hai as rahu and budh are dost. > > > to is upaya mein budh liya gaya hai rahu ko shant kerney key liey. > > then why surya (tanmbey ka sikka) this is still an question :-) > > > , " heartzthief54 " > <heartzthief54 wrote: >> >> Leekha Sahib, >> Sabse badi baat to yeh hai ki Pujya Pandit Jee ne yahan se Rahu ko hatane >> ke liye GANDA NAALA hee kyon chuna?, mein aapki iss baat se sehmat hoon ki >> (as book says, masunoi greh mein se dushman ko hataya gayey. >> (shuker-rahu-ketu) >> Abb agar yahan par RAHU ka bura asar hai to Pandit jee ne RAHU 8 ka hee >> rasta kyon nahi chuna? lekin yahan par to BUDH(phool) aur SURYA(tamba ka >> paisa) ko GANDA NAALA mein daalne ke liya kaha ja raha hai.aur yeh dono >> hee Shukar mein kisi tarah bhee shamil nahi. >> >> MAHAJAN >> , " sleekhas " <sleekhas@> wrote: >> > >> > kulbir, >> > >> > well explained, few queries, >> > >> > house no 8 (mangal and shani) >> > >> > shuker in house no 8 >> > >> > (shani F (shani ne shuker se ankh udhar li), Mangal E (bander and gay ki >> > dosti?) >> > >> > now shuker in house of F + E, the nature of lady will depend upon the >> > placement of Shani or shuker in tewa...... >> > >> > How does budh get involved........... (if u r taking making of shuker >> > (merging of mangal with budh will result in shuker then that is totally >> > different theory) >> > >> > secondly the ganda nala (ref upaya) is described as rahu in lal kitab >> > not chander the upaya is combination of sun or budh vs Rahu. >> > >> > as book says, masunoi greh mein se dushman ko hataya gayey. >> > (shuker-rahu-ketu) >> > >> > above all we have forget the touch or role of chander in it. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > , kulbir bance <kulbirbance@> >> > wrote: >> > > >> > > Sunny ji, >> > > >> > > house no 8 is refferred to as headquarter of saturn. >> > > Whenever saturn and venus are in association. Mercury automatically >> > > comes associated as resultant. This association also brings sun in >> > > confrontation. House no is also under ownership of mars. The net >> > > result is that venus's closest entity to native i.e. Spouse gets short >> > > tempered and manifests itself through mercury/zubaan. Any sudden angry >> > > outburst is attributed to influence of rahu in mind. Therefore the >> > > refuge is also suggested from rahu by offering copper/sun or >> > > flower/mercury to dirty water drain. Why drain? Becase Moon/Water is >> > > also of considerable importance here. >> > > >> > > Regards. >> > > >> > > Kulbir. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > On 9/17/09, sunnysingh166 <sunnysingh166@> wrote: >> > > > Hello Friends, >> > > > >> > > > As per Lal Kitab Venus in 8th house shows that one will have a wife >> > > > with >> > > > short-tempered who is also dominating. Can someone please share the >> > > > details >> > > > of this situation and what can nullify this impact? >> > > > >> > > > Please note that my study of Lal KItab is based on U. C Mahajan & >> > > > Mr. >> > > > Goswami's translations. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 Leekha ji, Please note that mars+budh are masanois of saturn (rahu swabhav) and not of venus. Plus saturn's claim over house no 8 cannot be undermined (as per ur goodself reduced to half) as it is refferred to be headquarter of saturn and the role played here by its agents rahu and ketu is crucial. Kulbir. On 9/18/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: > Leekha ji, you hold that mercury becomes a part of venus because a > girl(Budh) converts into lady(veuus) after mensturation(mangal) > starts. masnui of venus are clearly defined as rahu + ketu. Venus > means an independent entity which has come to the native after already > undergoing that process. Mars and Mercury get effective when the > daughter of the native reaches mensturating stage. she represents > venus for her spouse but still remains budh for her father which is > now associated with influence of mars. Similarly wife/spouse cannot be > considered as combination of mangal+budh for the native. After giving > birth to children this venus converts into moon for them but its > status of being entity of venus for her husband remains unaltered. > Plus what if venus is in 8th house of a female. Kindly give it a > thought. If we go on making masnui constitutes like this. It will lead > to a chaos. Pt. Ji has very adaptly noted down the masnuis. Is there a > need to make further additions to it. Also please share how u think > the copper/sun upaya remains unexplained even after reading preeciding > mails. Regards . Kulbir. 9915932600. Chandigarh. > > On 9/18/09, sleekhas <sleekhas wrote: >> dear mahajan ji, >> >> let me tell what i understand, >> >> khana no 8 (malik mangal and pacca ghar mangal shani) >> >> shuker (rahu ketu) >> >> agar yehan dekhey to mangal 2 hissa aur shani ek hissa shamil hai ghar >> mein. >> >> >> mangal ek hissa to gaya shuker mein >> >> (budh+mangal-shuker ladki ka aurat banna) >> >> baki bacha mangal ek hissa and shani ek hissa ghar mein aur greh mein hai >> 2 >> hissaey Rahu+ketu) shuker ka basic upaya hai cow feeding.. and dusrey hai >> rahu ko uch kerna keyonki woh shuker ka dost hai.... >> >> but the upaya should not through ketu (as per the basic principle of >> lalkitab for rahu we have to do ketu ka upaya and for ketu we have to do >> rahu ka upaya) >> >> keyonki yehan per ketu bali ka bakra hai, Mangal ka bhi aur shani ka bhi >> >> isi liyey rahu ki shanti key liyey rahu (gandey naley) mein budh ke phool >> dalney ko keha gaya hai as rahu and budh are dost. >> >> >> to is upaya mein budh liya gaya hai rahu ko shant kerney key liey. >> >> then why surya (tanmbey ka sikka) this is still an question :-) >> >> >> , " heartzthief54 " >> <heartzthief54 wrote: >>> >>> Leekha Sahib, >>> Sabse badi baat to yeh hai ki Pujya Pandit Jee ne yahan se Rahu ko >>> hatane >>> ke liye GANDA NAALA hee kyon chuna?, mein aapki iss baat se sehmat hoon >>> ki >>> (as book says, masunoi greh mein se dushman ko hataya gayey. >>> (shuker-rahu-ketu) >>> Abb agar yahan par RAHU ka bura asar hai to Pandit jee ne RAHU 8 ka hee >>> rasta kyon nahi chuna? lekin yahan par to BUDH(phool) aur SURYA(tamba ka >>> paisa) ko GANDA NAALA mein daalne ke liya kaha ja raha hai.aur yeh dono >>> hee Shukar mein kisi tarah bhee shamil nahi. >>> >>> MAHAJAN >>> , " sleekhas " <sleekhas@> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > kulbir, >>> > >>> > well explained, few queries, >>> > >>> > house no 8 (mangal and shani) >>> > >>> > shuker in house no 8 >>> > >>> > (shani F (shani ne shuker se ankh udhar li), Mangal E (bander and gay >>> > ki >>> > dosti?) >>> > >>> > now shuker in house of F + E, the nature of lady will depend upon the >>> > placement of Shani or shuker in tewa...... >>> > >>> > How does budh get involved........... (if u r taking making of shuker >>> > (merging of mangal with budh will result in shuker then that is >>> > totally >>> > different theory) >>> > >>> > secondly the ganda nala (ref upaya) is described as rahu in lal kitab >>> > not chander the upaya is combination of sun or budh vs Rahu. >>> > >>> > as book says, masunoi greh mein se dushman ko hataya gayey. >>> > (shuker-rahu-ketu) >>> > >>> > above all we have forget the touch or role of chander in it. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > , kulbir bance >>> > <kulbirbance@> >>> > wrote: >>> > > >>> > > Sunny ji, >>> > > >>> > > house no 8 is refferred to as headquarter of saturn. >>> > > Whenever saturn and venus are in association. Mercury automatically >>> > > comes associated as resultant. This association also brings sun in >>> > > confrontation. House no is also under ownership of mars. The net >>> > > result is that venus's closest entity to native i.e. Spouse gets >>> > > short >>> > > tempered and manifests itself through mercury/zubaan. Any sudden >>> > > angry >>> > > outburst is attributed to influence of rahu in mind. Therefore the >>> > > refuge is also suggested from rahu by offering copper/sun or >>> > > flower/mercury to dirty water drain. Why drain? Becase Moon/Water is >>> > > also of considerable importance here. >>> > > >>> > > Regards. >>> > > >>> > > Kulbir. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > On 9/17/09, sunnysingh166 <sunnysingh166@> wrote: >>> > > > Hello Friends, >>> > > > >>> > > > As per Lal Kitab Venus in 8th house shows that one will have a >>> > > > wife >>> > > > with >>> > > > short-tempered who is also dominating. Can someone please share >>> > > > the >>> > > > details >>> > > > of this situation and what can nullify this impact? >>> > > > >>> > > > Please note that my study of Lal KItab is based on U. C Mahajan & >>> > > > Mr. >>> > > > Goswami's translations. >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > >>> >> >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 dear varun ji thanks for correcting me , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > > Aadarneeya Leekha ji, > > > > Aapne likha hai: > > and dusrey hai rahu ko uch kerna keyonki woh shuker ka dost hai.... > > > Rahu aur shukra paraspar shatru hain. > > > > Aadar sahit, > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > , " sleekhas " <sleekhas@> > wrote: > > > > dear mahajan ji, > > > > let me tell what i understand, > > > > khana no 8 (malik mangal and pacca ghar mangal shani) > > > > shuker (rahu ketu) > > > > agar yehan dekhey to mangal 2 hissa aur shani ek hissa shamil hai ghar > mein. > > > > > > mangal ek hissa to gaya shuker mein > > > > (budh+mangal-shuker ladki ka aurat banna) > > > > baki bacha mangal ek hissa and shani ek hissa ghar mein aur greh mein > hai 2 hissaey Rahu+ketu) shuker ka basic upaya hai cow feeding.. and > dusrey hai rahu ko uch kerna keyonki woh shuker ka dost hai.... > > > > but the upaya should not through ketu (as per the basic principle of > lalkitab for rahu we have to do ketu ka upaya and for ketu we have to do > rahu ka upaya) > > > > keyonki yehan per ketu bali ka bakra hai, Mangal ka bhi aur shani ka > bhi > > > > isi liyey rahu ki shanti key liyey rahu (gandey naley) mein budh ke > phool dalney ko keha gaya hai as rahu and budh are dost. > > > > > > to is upaya mein budh liya gaya hai rahu ko shant kerney key liey. > > > > then why surya (tanmbey ka sikka) this is still an question :-) > > > > > > , " heartzthief54 " > heartzthief54@ wrote: > > > > > > Leekha Sahib, > > > Sabse badi baat to yeh hai ki Pujya Pandit Jee ne yahan se Rahu ko > hatane ke liye GANDA NAALA hee kyon chuna?, mein aapki iss baat se > sehmat hoon ki (as book says, masunoi greh mein se dushman ko hataya > gayey. (shuker-rahu-ketu) > > > Abb agar yahan par RAHU ka bura asar hai to Pandit jee ne RAHU 8 ka > hee rasta kyon nahi chuna? lekin yahan par to BUDH(phool) aur > SURYA(tamba ka paisa) ko GANDA NAALA mein daalne ke liya kaha ja raha > hai.aur yeh dono hee Shukar mein kisi tarah bhee shamil nahi. > > > > > > MAHAJAN > > > , " sleekhas " <sleekhas@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > kulbir, > > > > > > > > well explained, few queries, > > > > > > > > house no 8 (mangal and shani) > > > > > > > > shuker in house no 8 > > > > > > > > (shani F (shani ne shuker se ankh udhar li), Mangal E (bander and > gay ki dosti?) > > > > > > > > now shuker in house of F + E, the nature of lady will depend upon > the placement of Shani or shuker in tewa...... > > > > > > > > How does budh get involved........... (if u r taking making of > shuker (merging of mangal with budh will result in shuker then that is > totally different theory) > > > > > > > > secondly the ganda nala (ref upaya) is described as rahu in lal > kitab not chander the upaya is combination of sun or budh vs Rahu. > > > > > > > > as book says, masunoi greh mein se dushman ko hataya gayey. > (shuker-rahu-ketu) > > > > > > > > above all we have forget the touch or role of chander in it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kulbir bance > <kulbirbance@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sunny ji, > > > > > > > > > > house no 8 is refferred to as headquarter of saturn. > > > > > Whenever saturn and venus are in association. Mercury > automatically > > > > > comes associated as resultant. This association also brings sun > in > > > > > confrontation. House no is also under ownership of mars. The net > > > > > result is that venus's closest entity to native i.e. Spouse gets > short > > > > > tempered and manifests itself through mercury/zubaan. Any sudden > angry > > > > > outburst is attributed to influence of rahu in mind. Therefore > the > > > > > refuge is also suggested from rahu by offering copper/sun or > > > > > flower/mercury to dirty water drain. Why drain? Becase > Moon/Water is > > > > > also of considerable importance here. > > > > > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 9/17/09, sunnysingh166 <sunnysingh166@> wrote: > > > > > > Hello Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > As per Lal Kitab Venus in 8th house shows that one will have a > wife with > > > > > > short-tempered who is also dominating. Can someone please > share the details > > > > > > of this situation and what can nullify this impact? > > > > > > > > > > > > Please note that my study of Lal KItab is based on U. C > Mahajan & Mr. > > > > > > Goswami's translations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 kulbir ji, what u are telling is right, but what i understand or when we are trying to figureout the basis of any placement or upaya mentioned in LK we have to consider, how the star has been made, if u see the very first page where pt ji has mention how the earth was formed or star came in existence it give clear indications, atleast to me......(mangal ki kirney jab dharti per padi, shani ne ek aankh shuker se udhar li etc etc) if u see last edition of LK 1952 it says masunai shuker (rahu+ketu) nakli shuker????? secondly if u see dost and dushmani basic charts rahu and ketu hold the command, sabka dushman rahu and sabka dost ketu wali lines.... it is well explained that budh girl become shuker after meeting with mangal, okay no issue but can u leave budh out of shuker i dont think so, or can u take mangal out of shuker..as whole, as father in law is brihsapat for ur kids but he is rahu for u or whole of ur inlaws are treated as rahu, whenever ur sons rahu or brihsapt found to be in bad shapes it says some time that baba ya naney to dama hoga. thats why for sasural we recommend ketu's indirect upaya (i.e. we want to pacify the rahu (sasural) via ketu(ur own aulad) secondly when we talk about kora ghada to be immerse in dariya budh 12, then we consider khali golai(budh) and hawa in it (jupiter) as an upaya because it pacify the negative effect of budh on jupiter(house of jupiter), but can we leave behing mitti(shuker) out of which ghada has been made. here we can say do dushman budh+shuker has been taken as upaya for brihsapati. copper coin will also tell u let me have some thought on it , kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: > > Leekha ji, > > You hold that mercury becomes a part of venus because a > girl(Budh) converts into lady(venus) after mensturation(mangal) > starts. masnui of venus are clearly defined as rahu + ketu. Venus > means an independent entity which has come to the native after already > undergoing that process. Mars and Mercury get effective when the > daughter of the native reaches mensturating stage. she represents > venus for her spouse but still remains budh for her father which is > now associated with influence of mars. Similarly wife/spouse cannot be > considered as combination of mangal+budh for the native. After giving > birth to children this venus converts into moon for them but its > status of being entity of venus for her husband remains unaltered. > Plus what if venus is in 8th house of a female. Kindly give it a > thought. If we go on making masnui constitutes like this. It will lead > to a chaos. Pt. Ji has very adaptly noted down the masnuis. Is there a > need to make further additions to it. Also please share how u think > the copper/sun upaya remains unexplained even after reading preeciding > mails. > > Regards . > > Kulbir. > > 9915932600. Chandigarh. > > > > > > On 9/18/09, sleekhas <sleekhas wrote: > > dear mahajan ji, > > > > let me tell what i understand, > > > > khana no 8 (malik mangal and pacca ghar mangal shani) > > > > shuker (rahu ketu) > > > > agar yehan dekhey to mangal 2 hissa aur shani ek hissa shamil hai ghar mein. > > > > > > mangal ek hissa to gaya shuker mein > > > > (budh+mangal-shuker ladki ka aurat banna) > > > > baki bacha mangal ek hissa and shani ek hissa ghar mein aur greh mein hai 2 > > hissaey Rahu+ketu) shuker ka basic upaya hai cow feeding.. and dusrey hai > > rahu ko uch kerna keyonki woh shuker ka dost hai.... > > > > but the upaya should not through ketu (as per the basic principle of > > lalkitab for rahu we have to do ketu ka upaya and for ketu we have to do > > rahu ka upaya) > > > > keyonki yehan per ketu bali ka bakra hai, Mangal ka bhi aur shani ka bhi > > > > isi liyey rahu ki shanti key liyey rahu (gandey naley) mein budh ke phool > > dalney ko keha gaya hai as rahu and budh are dost. > > > > > > to is upaya mein budh liya gaya hai rahu ko shant kerney key liey. > > > > then why surya (tanmbey ka sikka) this is still an question :-) > > > > > > , " heartzthief54 " > > <heartzthief54@> wrote: > >> > >> Leekha Sahib, > >> Sabse badi baat to yeh hai ki Pujya Pandit Jee ne yahan se Rahu ko hatane > >> ke liye GANDA NAALA hee kyon chuna?, mein aapki iss baat se sehmat hoon ki > >> (as book says, masunoi greh mein se dushman ko hataya gayey. > >> (shuker-rahu-ketu) > >> Abb agar yahan par RAHU ka bura asar hai to Pandit jee ne RAHU 8 ka hee > >> rasta kyon nahi chuna? lekin yahan par to BUDH(phool) aur SURYA(tamba ka > >> paisa) ko GANDA NAALA mein daalne ke liya kaha ja raha hai.aur yeh dono > >> hee Shukar mein kisi tarah bhee shamil nahi. > >> > >> MAHAJAN > >> , " sleekhas " <sleekhas@> wrote: > >> > > >> > kulbir, > >> > > >> > well explained, few queries, > >> > > >> > house no 8 (mangal and shani) > >> > > >> > shuker in house no 8 > >> > > >> > (shani F (shani ne shuker se ankh udhar li), Mangal E (bander and gay ki > >> > dosti?) > >> > > >> > now shuker in house of F + E, the nature of lady will depend upon the > >> > placement of Shani or shuker in tewa...... > >> > > >> > How does budh get involved........... (if u r taking making of shuker > >> > (merging of mangal with budh will result in shuker then that is totally > >> > different theory) > >> > > >> > secondly the ganda nala (ref upaya) is described as rahu in lal kitab > >> > not chander the upaya is combination of sun or budh vs Rahu. > >> > > >> > as book says, masunoi greh mein se dushman ko hataya gayey. > >> > (shuker-rahu-ketu) > >> > > >> > above all we have forget the touch or role of chander in it. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > , kulbir bance <kulbirbance@> > >> > wrote: > >> > > > >> > > Sunny ji, > >> > > > >> > > house no 8 is refferred to as headquarter of saturn. > >> > > Whenever saturn and venus are in association. Mercury automatically > >> > > comes associated as resultant. This association also brings sun in > >> > > confrontation. House no is also under ownership of mars. The net > >> > > result is that venus's closest entity to native i.e. Spouse gets short > >> > > tempered and manifests itself through mercury/zubaan. Any sudden angry > >> > > outburst is attributed to influence of rahu in mind. Therefore the > >> > > refuge is also suggested from rahu by offering copper/sun or > >> > > flower/mercury to dirty water drain. Why drain? Becase Moon/Water is > >> > > also of considerable importance here. > >> > > > >> > > Regards. > >> > > > >> > > Kulbir. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > On 9/17/09, sunnysingh166 <sunnysingh166@> wrote: > >> > > > Hello Friends, > >> > > > > >> > > > As per Lal Kitab Venus in 8th house shows that one will have a wife > >> > > > with > >> > > > short-tempered who is also dominating. Can someone please share the > >> > > > details > >> > > > of this situation and what can nullify this impact? > >> > > > > >> > > > Please note that my study of Lal KItab is based on U. C Mahajan & > >> > > > Mr. > >> > > > Goswami's translations. > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 kulbir ji now we are going to right direction (rahu swabhav) no i have not reduced the effect of any planet i have mentioned in house no 8 the mangal is having 2 hissa (double the effect 1/8 ka malik mangal and 8 mushterka ghar of mangal shani)if u see some practicle tewa in these type of combination where shuker is associated with mangal or vice versa u will find the maximum trouble occures when the lady is under mangal's influence (periods) , kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: > > Leekha ji, > > Please note that mars+budh are masanois of > saturn (rahu swabhav) and not of venus. Plus saturn's claim over house > no 8 cannot be undermined (as per ur goodself to half) as it > is refferred to be headquarter of saturn and the role played here by > its agents rahu and ketu is crucial. > > Kulbir. > > > On 9/18/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: > > Leekha ji, you hold that mercury becomes a part of venus because a > > girl(Budh) converts into lady(veuus) after mensturation(mangal) > > starts. masnui of venus are clearly defined as rahu + ketu. Venus > > means an independent entity which has come to the native after already > > undergoing that process. Mars and Mercury get effective when the > > daughter of the native reaches mensturating stage. she represents > > venus for her spouse but still remains budh for her father which is > > now associated with influence of mars. Similarly wife/spouse cannot be > > considered as combination of mangal+budh for the native. After giving > > birth to children this venus converts into moon for them but its > > status of being entity of venus for her husband remains unaltered. > > Plus what if venus is in 8th house of a female. Kindly give it a > > thought. If we go on making masnui constitutes like this. It will lead > > to a chaos. Pt. Ji has very adaptly noted down the masnuis. Is there a > > need to make further additions to it. Also please share how u think > > the copper/sun upaya remains unexplained even after reading preeciding > > mails. Regards . Kulbir. 9915932600. Chandigarh. > > > > On 9/18/09, sleekhas <sleekhas wrote: > >> dear mahajan ji, > >> > >> let me tell what i understand, > >> > >> khana no 8 (malik mangal and pacca ghar mangal shani) > >> > >> shuker (rahu ketu) > >> > >> agar yehan dekhey to mangal 2 hissa aur shani ek hissa shamil hai ghar > >> mein. > >> > >> > >> mangal ek hissa to gaya shuker mein > >> > >> (budh+mangal-shuker ladki ka aurat banna) > >> > >> baki bacha mangal ek hissa and shani ek hissa ghar mein aur greh mein hai > >> 2 > >> hissaey Rahu+ketu) shuker ka basic upaya hai cow feeding.. and dusrey hai > >> rahu ko uch kerna keyonki woh shuker ka dost hai.... > >> > >> but the upaya should not through ketu (as per the basic principle of > >> lalkitab for rahu we have to do ketu ka upaya and for ketu we have to do > >> rahu ka upaya) > >> > >> keyonki yehan per ketu bali ka bakra hai, Mangal ka bhi aur shani ka bhi > >> > >> isi liyey rahu ki shanti key liyey rahu (gandey naley) mein budh ke phool > >> dalney ko keha gaya hai as rahu and budh are dost. > >> > >> > >> to is upaya mein budh liya gaya hai rahu ko shant kerney key liey. > >> > >> then why surya (tanmbey ka sikka) this is still an question :-) > >> > >> > >> , " heartzthief54 " > >> <heartzthief54@> wrote: > >>> > >>> Leekha Sahib, > >>> Sabse badi baat to yeh hai ki Pujya Pandit Jee ne yahan se Rahu ko > >>> hatane > >>> ke liye GANDA NAALA hee kyon chuna?, mein aapki iss baat se sehmat hoon > >>> ki > >>> (as book says, masunoi greh mein se dushman ko hataya gayey. > >>> (shuker-rahu-ketu) > >>> Abb agar yahan par RAHU ka bura asar hai to Pandit jee ne RAHU 8 ka hee > >>> rasta kyon nahi chuna? lekin yahan par to BUDH(phool) aur SURYA(tamba ka > >>> paisa) ko GANDA NAALA mein daalne ke liya kaha ja raha hai.aur yeh dono > >>> hee Shukar mein kisi tarah bhee shamil nahi. > >>> > >>> MAHAJAN > >>> , " sleekhas " <sleekhas@> > >>> wrote: > >>> > > >>> > kulbir, > >>> > > >>> > well explained, few queries, > >>> > > >>> > house no 8 (mangal and shani) > >>> > > >>> > shuker in house no 8 > >>> > > >>> > (shani F (shani ne shuker se ankh udhar li), Mangal E (bander and gay > >>> > ki > >>> > dosti?) > >>> > > >>> > now shuker in house of F + E, the nature of lady will depend upon the > >>> > placement of Shani or shuker in tewa...... > >>> > > >>> > How does budh get involved........... (if u r taking making of shuker > >>> > (merging of mangal with budh will result in shuker then that is > >>> > totally > >>> > different theory) > >>> > > >>> > secondly the ganda nala (ref upaya) is described as rahu in lal kitab > >>> > not chander the upaya is combination of sun or budh vs Rahu. > >>> > > >>> > as book says, masunoi greh mein se dushman ko hataya gayey. > >>> > (shuker-rahu-ketu) > >>> > > >>> > above all we have forget the touch or role of chander in it. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > , kulbir bance > >>> > <kulbirbance@> > >>> > wrote: > >>> > > > >>> > > Sunny ji, > >>> > > > >>> > > house no 8 is refferred to as headquarter of saturn. > >>> > > Whenever saturn and venus are in association. Mercury automatically > >>> > > comes associated as resultant. This association also brings sun in > >>> > > confrontation. House no is also under ownership of mars. The net > >>> > > result is that venus's closest entity to native i.e. Spouse gets > >>> > > short > >>> > > tempered and manifests itself through mercury/zubaan. Any sudden > >>> > > angry > >>> > > outburst is attributed to influence of rahu in mind. Therefore the > >>> > > refuge is also suggested from rahu by offering copper/sun or > >>> > > flower/mercury to dirty water drain. Why drain? Becase Moon/Water is > >>> > > also of considerable importance here. > >>> > > > >>> > > Regards. > >>> > > > >>> > > Kulbir. > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > On 9/17/09, sunnysingh166 <sunnysingh166@> wrote: > >>> > > > Hello Friends, > >>> > > > > >>> > > > As per Lal Kitab Venus in 8th house shows that one will have a > >>> > > > wife > >>> > > > with > >>> > > > short-tempered who is also dominating. Can someone please share > >>> > > > the > >>> > > > details > >>> > > > of this situation and what can nullify this impact? > >>> > > > > >>> > > > Please note that my study of Lal KItab is based on U. C Mahajan & > >>> > > > Mr. > >>> > > > Goswami's translations. > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 Sir Varun ji, Gande nale mein tambe ka paisa sooraj dalna to samajh mein agaya ki sooraj ke masnuyee shukra se 8th ke venus ko bal milega aur budh 8th ke venus ko rahu se bachayega. Lekin sooraj ki tapish se shukra murjha bhi to jayega? Sincerely, RP Singh , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > Adarneeya Mahajan ji, > > 8va bhav ganda nala hai, jis par rahu ka adhikar hai. 8ve bhav mein baitha shukra apne shatru rahu ke ghar mein peedit hai > > Aisi paristhiti mein do hi sambhavanayen ho sakti hai > > [a] Shukra ko 8ve ghar se bahar nikal liya jaye, jaisa ki Chandra 8 ke liye kiya gaya, ki shamshan ka paani lakar ghar mein rakh len. Is tarah 8 ke Chandra ko shamshan se bahar nikal liya gaya. > > agar shukra ko bahar nahi nakala ja sakata to us ko bahar se madad bhej di jaye; jaisa ki khan mein phase majdooron ke liye kiya jata hai. Jab tak khan mein phase majdoor bahar nahi nikale jate tab tak unko bahar se khana, paani, oxygen bheji jaati hai. > > Chunki aisi koi karak vastu nahi hai jo shukra 8 ki pratinidhi ho aur jisko shamshan se bahar laya ja sake [ like water for moon in the 8th]. Isliye ek hi soorat bachti hai ki shukra ko bahar se madad bheji jaaye. > > Lal Kitab ne is ke liye anya upayaon ke atirikta do upaya sujhaye hai. > > [1] gande nale mein 43 din lagatar ek phool pheka jaye. Phool budh ka karak hai, budh rahu aur shukra dono ka mitra hai, isliye budh bacha lega shukra ko rahu ke prakop se. > > [2] gande nale mein tambe ka paisa 43 din lagatar pheka jaye. Tambe ka paisa soorya ka dyotak hai. > Surya = budh + shukra. > Atah gande naale mein paisa dalne se shukra ko bal milega saath hi budh jaise mitra ki bhi madad milegi. > > Atah in dono upayaon se Rahu ko hataane ki baat nahi hai balki shukra ko rahu se bachane ki baat hai. > > Aadar sahit, > > Varun Trivedi > > > > , " heartzthief54 " <heartzthief54@> wrote: > > > > Leekha Sahib, > > Sabse badi baat to yeh hai ki Pujya Pandit Jee ne yahan se Rahu ko hatane ke liye GANDA NAALA hee kyon chuna?, mein aapki iss baat se sehmat hoon ki (as book says, masunoi greh mein se dushman ko hataya gayey. (shuker-rahu-ketu) > > Abb agar yahan par RAHU ka bura asar hai to Pandit jee ne RAHU 8 ka hee rasta kyon nahi chuna? lekin yahan par to BUDH(phool) aur SURYA(tamba ka paisa) ko GANDA NAALA mein daalne ke liya kaha ja raha hai.aur yeh dono hee Shukar mein kisi tarah bhee shamil nahi. > > > > MAHAJAN > > , " sleekhas " <sleekhas@> wrote: > > > > > > kulbir, > > > > > > well explained, few queries, > > > > > > house no 8 (mangal and shani) > > > > > > shuker in house no 8 > > > > > > (shani F (shani ne shuker se ankh udhar li), Mangal E (bander and gay ki dosti?) > > > > > > now shuker in house of F + E, the nature of lady will depend upon the placement of Shani or shuker in tewa...... > > > > > > How does budh get involved........... (if u r taking making of shuker (merging of mangal with budh will result in shuker then that is totally different theory) > > > > > > secondly the ganda nala (ref upaya) is described as rahu in lal kitab not chander the upaya is combination of sun or budh vs Rahu. > > > > > > as book says, masunoi greh mein se dushman ko hataya gayey. (shuker-rahu-ketu) > > > > > > above all we have forget the touch or role of chander in it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kulbir bance <kulbirbance@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Sunny ji, > > > > > > > > house no 8 is refferred to as headquarter of saturn. > > > > Whenever saturn and venus are in association. Mercury automatically > > > > comes associated as resultant. This association also brings sun in > > > > confrontation. House no is also under ownership of mars. The net > > > > result is that venus's closest entity to native i.e. Spouse gets short > > > > tempered and manifests itself through mercury/zubaan. Any sudden angry > > > > outburst is attributed to influence of rahu in mind. Therefore the > > > > refuge is also suggested from rahu by offering copper/sun or > > > > flower/mercury to dirty water drain. Why drain? Becase Moon/Water is > > > > also of considerable importance here. > > > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > > > Kulbir. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 9/17/09, sunnysingh166 <sunnysingh166@> wrote: > > > > > Hello Friends, > > > > > > > > > > As per Lal Kitab Venus in 8th house shows that one will have a wife with > > > > > short-tempered who is also dominating. Can someone please share the details > > > > > of this situation and what can nullify this impact? > > > > > > > > > > Please note that my study of Lal KItab is based on U. C Mahajan & Mr. > > > > > Goswami's translations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 Respected Singh Saheb, Naale ke paani mein jane ke baad sooraj mein tapish to rahegi hi nahi to shukra murjhayega kaise. Parinaam swaroop shukra poori tarah surakshit rahega. Regards, Varun Trivedi , " rpsingh2710 " <rpsingh2710 wrote: > > Sir Varun ji, > > Gande nale mein tambe ka paisa sooraj dalna to samajh mein agaya ki sooraj ke masnuyee shukra se 8th ke venus ko bal milega aur budh 8th ke venus ko rahu se bachayega. Lekin sooraj ki tapish se shukra murjha bhi to jayega? Sincerely, > RP Singh > , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > Adarneeya Mahajan ji, > > > > 8va bhav ganda nala hai, jis par rahu ka adhikar hai. 8ve bhav mein baitha shukra apne shatru rahu ke ghar mein peedit hai > > > > Aisi paristhiti mein do hi sambhavanayen ho sakti hai > > > > [a] Shukra ko 8ve ghar se bahar nikal liya jaye, jaisa ki Chandra 8 ke liye kiya gaya, ki shamshan ka paani lakar ghar mein rakh len. Is tarah 8 ke Chandra ko shamshan se bahar nikal liya gaya. > > > > agar shukra ko bahar nahi nakala ja sakata to us ko bahar se madad bhej di jaye; jaisa ki khan mein phase majdooron ke liye kiya jata hai. Jab tak khan mein phase majdoor bahar nahi nikale jate tab tak unko bahar se khana, paani, oxygen bheji jaati hai. > > > > Chunki aisi koi karak vastu nahi hai jo shukra 8 ki pratinidhi ho aur jisko shamshan se bahar laya ja sake [ like water for moon in the 8th]. Isliye ek hi soorat bachti hai ki shukra ko bahar se madad bheji jaaye. > > > > Lal Kitab ne is ke liye anya upayaon ke atirikta do upaya sujhaye hai. > > > > [1] gande nale mein 43 din lagatar ek phool pheka jaye. Phool budh ka karak hai, budh rahu aur shukra dono ka mitra hai, isliye budh bacha lega shukra ko rahu ke prakop se. > > > > [2] gande nale mein tambe ka paisa 43 din lagatar pheka jaye. Tambe ka paisa soorya ka dyotak hai. > > Surya = budh + shukra. > > Atah gande naale mein paisa dalne se shukra ko bal milega saath hi budh jaise mitra ki bhi madad milegi. > > > > Atah in dono upayaon se Rahu ko hataane ki baat nahi hai balki shukra ko rahu se bachane ki baat hai. > > > > Aadar sahit, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " heartzthief54 " <heartzthief54@> wrote: > > > > > > Leekha Sahib, > > > Sabse badi baat to yeh hai ki Pujya Pandit Jee ne yahan se Rahu ko hatane ke liye GANDA NAALA hee kyon chuna?, mein aapki iss baat se sehmat hoon ki (as book says, masunoi greh mein se dushman ko hataya gayey. (shuker-rahu-ketu) > > > Abb agar yahan par RAHU ka bura asar hai to Pandit jee ne RAHU 8 ka hee rasta kyon nahi chuna? lekin yahan par to BUDH(phool) aur SURYA(tamba ka paisa) ko GANDA NAALA mein daalne ke liya kaha ja raha hai.aur yeh dono hee Shukar mein kisi tarah bhee shamil nahi. > > > > > > MAHAJAN > > > , " sleekhas " <sleekhas@> wrote: > > > > > > > > kulbir, > > > > > > > > well explained, few queries, > > > > > > > > house no 8 (mangal and shani) > > > > > > > > shuker in house no 8 > > > > > > > > (shani F (shani ne shuker se ankh udhar li), Mangal E (bander and gay ki dosti?) > > > > > > > > now shuker in house of F + E, the nature of lady will depend upon the placement of Shani or shuker in tewa...... > > > > > > > > How does budh get involved........... (if u r taking making of shuker (merging of mangal with budh will result in shuker then that is totally different theory) > > > > > > > > secondly the ganda nala (ref upaya) is described as rahu in lal kitab not chander the upaya is combination of sun or budh vs Rahu. > > > > > > > > as book says, masunoi greh mein se dushman ko hataya gayey. (shuker-rahu-ketu) > > > > > > > > above all we have forget the touch or role of chander in it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kulbir bance <kulbirbance@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sunny ji, > > > > > > > > > > house no 8 is refferred to as headquarter of saturn. > > > > > Whenever saturn and venus are in association. Mercury automatically > > > > > comes associated as resultant. This association also brings sun in > > > > > confrontation. House no is also under ownership of mars. The net > > > > > result is that venus's closest entity to native i.e. Spouse gets short > > > > > tempered and manifests itself through mercury/zubaan. Any sudden angry > > > > > outburst is attributed to influence of rahu in mind. Therefore the > > > > > refuge is also suggested from rahu by offering copper/sun or > > > > > flower/mercury to dirty water drain. Why drain? Becase Moon/Water is > > > > > also of considerable importance here. > > > > > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 9/17/09, sunnysingh166 <sunnysingh166@> wrote: > > > > > > Hello Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > As per Lal Kitab Venus in 8th house shows that one will have a wife with > > > > > > short-tempered who is also dominating. Can someone please share the details > > > > > > of this situation and what can nullify this impact? > > > > > > > > > > > > Please note that my study of Lal KItab is based on U. C Mahajan & Mr. > > > > > > Goswami's translations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 Leekha ji, Does a mitti ka garha as per your goodself shukkar plus budh represent Sun? I am laying emphasis that when an entity is formed it acquires unique identity represented by some planet. Peepal tree has green leaves, it comes under vegetation but still is representative of jupiter. Regards. Kulbir. On 9/18/09, sleekhas <sleekhas wrote: > kulbir ji, > what u are telling is right, but what i understand or when we are trying to > figureout the basis of any placement or upaya mentioned in LK we have to > consider, how the star has been made, if u see the very first page where pt > ji has mention how the earth was formed or star came in existence it give > clear indications, atleast to me......(mangal ki kirney jab dharti per padi, > shani ne ek aankh shuker se udhar li etc etc) > > > if u see last edition of LK 1952 it says masunai shuker (rahu+ketu) nakli > shuker????? > > secondly if u see dost and dushmani basic charts rahu and ketu hold the > command, sabka dushman rahu and sabka dost ketu wali lines.... > > it is well explained that budh girl become shuker after meeting with mangal, > okay no issue but can u leave budh out of shuker i dont think so, or can u > take mangal out of shuker..as whole, > > as father in law is brihsapat for ur kids but he is rahu for u or whole of > ur inlaws are treated as rahu, whenever ur sons rahu or brihsapt found to be > in bad shapes it says some time that baba ya naney to dama hoga. thats why > for sasural we recommend ketu's indirect upaya (i.e. we want to pacify the > rahu (sasural) via ketu(ur own aulad) > > secondly when we talk about kora ghada to be immerse in dariya budh 12, then > we consider khali golai(budh) and hawa in it (jupiter) as an upaya because > it pacify the negative effect of budh on jupiter(house of jupiter), but can > we leave behing mitti(shuker) out of which ghada has been made. here we can > say do dushman budh+shuker has been taken as upaya for brihsapati. > > copper coin will also tell u let me have some thought on it > , kulbir bance <kulbirbance > wrote: >> >> Leekha ji, >> >> You hold that mercury becomes a part of venus because a >> girl(Budh) converts into lady(venus) after mensturation(mangal) >> starts. masnui of venus are clearly defined as rahu + ketu. Venus >> means an independent entity which has come to the native after already >> undergoing that process. Mars and Mercury get effective when the >> daughter of the native reaches mensturating stage. she represents >> venus for her spouse but still remains budh for her father which is >> now associated with influence of mars. Similarly wife/spouse cannot be >> considered as combination of mangal+budh for the native. After giving >> birth to children this venus converts into moon for them but its >> status of being entity of venus for her husband remains unaltered. >> Plus what if venus is in 8th house of a female. Kindly give it a >> thought. If we go on making masnui constitutes like this. It will lead >> to a chaos. Pt. Ji has very adaptly noted down the masnuis. Is there a >> need to make further additions to it. Also please share how u think >> the copper/sun upaya remains unexplained even after reading preeciding >> mails. >> >> Regards . >> >> Kulbir. >> >> 9915932600. Chandigarh. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 9/18/09, sleekhas <sleekhas wrote: >> > dear mahajan ji, >> > >> > let me tell what i understand, >> > >> > khana no 8 (malik mangal and pacca ghar mangal shani) >> > >> > shuker (rahu ketu) >> > >> > agar yehan dekhey to mangal 2 hissa aur shani ek hissa shamil hai ghar >> > mein. >> > >> > >> > mangal ek hissa to gaya shuker mein >> > >> > (budh+mangal-shuker ladki ka aurat banna) >> > >> > baki bacha mangal ek hissa and shani ek hissa ghar mein aur greh mein >> > hai 2 >> > hissaey Rahu+ketu) shuker ka basic upaya hai cow feeding.. and dusrey >> > hai >> > rahu ko uch kerna keyonki woh shuker ka dost hai.... >> > >> > but the upaya should not through ketu (as per the basic principle of >> > lalkitab for rahu we have to do ketu ka upaya and for ketu we have to do >> > rahu ka upaya) >> > >> > keyonki yehan per ketu bali ka bakra hai, Mangal ka bhi aur shani ka bhi >> > >> > isi liyey rahu ki shanti key liyey rahu (gandey naley) mein budh ke >> > phool >> > dalney ko keha gaya hai as rahu and budh are dost. >> > >> > >> > to is upaya mein budh liya gaya hai rahu ko shant kerney key liey. >> > >> > then why surya (tanmbey ka sikka) this is still an question :-) >> > >> > >> > , " heartzthief54 " >> > <heartzthief54@> wrote: >> >> >> >> Leekha Sahib, >> >> Sabse badi baat to yeh hai ki Pujya Pandit Jee ne yahan se Rahu ko >> >> hatane >> >> ke liye GANDA NAALA hee kyon chuna?, mein aapki iss baat se sehmat hoon >> >> ki >> >> (as book says, masunoi greh mein se dushman ko hataya gayey. >> >> (shuker-rahu-ketu) >> >> Abb agar yahan par RAHU ka bura asar hai to Pandit jee ne RAHU 8 ka hee >> >> rasta kyon nahi chuna? lekin yahan par to BUDH(phool) aur SURYA(tamba >> >> ka >> >> paisa) ko GANDA NAALA mein daalne ke liya kaha ja raha hai.aur yeh dono >> >> hee Shukar mein kisi tarah bhee shamil nahi. >> >> >> >> MAHAJAN >> >> , " sleekhas " <sleekhas@> >> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > kulbir, >> >> > >> >> > well explained, few queries, >> >> > >> >> > house no 8 (mangal and shani) >> >> > >> >> > shuker in house no 8 >> >> > >> >> > (shani F (shani ne shuker se ankh udhar li), Mangal E (bander and gay >> >> > ki >> >> > dosti?) >> >> > >> >> > now shuker in house of F + E, the nature of lady will depend upon the >> >> > placement of Shani or shuker in tewa...... >> >> > >> >> > How does budh get involved........... (if u r taking making of shuker >> >> > (merging of mangal with budh will result in shuker then that is >> >> > totally >> >> > different theory) >> >> > >> >> > secondly the ganda nala (ref upaya) is described as rahu in lal kitab >> >> > not chander the upaya is combination of sun or budh vs Rahu. >> >> > >> >> > as book says, masunoi greh mein se dushman ko hataya gayey. >> >> > (shuker-rahu-ketu) >> >> > >> >> > above all we have forget the touch or role of chander in it. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > , kulbir bance >> >> > <kulbirbance@> >> >> > wrote: >> >> > > >> >> > > Sunny ji, >> >> > > >> >> > > house no 8 is refferred to as headquarter of saturn. >> >> > > Whenever saturn and venus are in association. Mercury automatically >> >> > > comes associated as resultant. This association also brings sun in >> >> > > confrontation. House no is also under ownership of mars. The net >> >> > > result is that venus's closest entity to native i.e. Spouse gets >> >> > > short >> >> > > tempered and manifests itself through mercury/zubaan. Any sudden >> >> > > angry >> >> > > outburst is attributed to influence of rahu in mind. Therefore the >> >> > > refuge is also suggested from rahu by offering copper/sun or >> >> > > flower/mercury to dirty water drain. Why drain? Becase Moon/Water >> >> > > is >> >> > > also of considerable importance here. >> >> > > >> >> > > Regards. >> >> > > >> >> > > Kulbir. >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > On 9/17/09, sunnysingh166 <sunnysingh166@> wrote: >> >> > > > Hello Friends, >> >> > > > >> >> > > > As per Lal Kitab Venus in 8th house shows that one will have a >> >> > > > wife >> >> > > > with >> >> > > > short-tempered who is also dominating. Can someone please share >> >> > > > the >> >> > > > details >> >> > > > of this situation and what can nullify this impact? >> >> > > > >> >> > > > Please note that my study of Lal KItab is based on U. C Mahajan & >> >> > > > Mr. >> >> > > > Goswami's translations. >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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