Guest guest Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 Dear Lal Kitab Scholars, [ Pt. Umesh Sharma ji, Vipin Shukla ji, Kulbir ji , Mahajan ji, S Leekha ji, Kapatjal ji, Anand jotish ji,] Could you please help me understand the following dichotomy? If the Sun is placed in the 6th house and the Saturn is placed in the 12th house the book says: page 334 ;note # 4; 1952 urdu edition “ stree bhaag aur khud stree barbad ho†[shanishchar # 12 ] Where as if the Sun is placed in the 12th and the Saturn in the 6th the book says : page 355 ; 1952 urdu edition “ ab shukra { grahast stree}barbad na hoga balki shukra raddi hote huye bhi nek aur uttam phal dega†[ shanishchar # 6 ] Therefore: [a] Why should this combination affect, either way, grahasth and stree? What could be the logic for this reversal of results when the same two planets, sun and Saturn, are involved? [c] In either case the two planets will be associated through aspect, and still give different results for the same area of life i.e. grahast and stree. Why? With respect to you all Bhooshan Priya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 Guruji, 1941 page 172 says that by defult saturn in 12th house grants immunity from rahu ketu and mercury, the matrimonial bliss is exclusively subject to quantum of darkness of saturn. Sun in 6th reduces the darkness of Saturn. This could be one of possible reasons. 2ndly for saturn in 6th house page 163 has that the presence of sun in 12th; saturn comes under pledge that it will cause no adverse effects. 3rdly House no 6 has 1/4th aspect on house no 12. 1/4th darkness in fact helps sun with its relation with venus ref. Page 89 trik bhavon ki gatha- the native with sun in 12 should have a spouse that has least traits of saturn. but this very 1/4 light of sun from 6th to 12 th can cause serious trouble for saturn in 12th thereby damaging results of venus. Regards. Kulbir On 9/30/09, Pandit Bhooshan Priya < wrote: > > Dear Lal Kitab Scholars, > > > > [ Pt. Umesh Sharma ji, Vipin Shukla ji, Kulbir ji , Mahajan ji, S Leekha > ji, Kapatjal ji, Anand jotish ji,] > > > > Could you please help me understand the following dichotomy? > > > > If the Sun is placed in the 6th house and the Saturn is placed in the > 12th house the book says: page 334 ;note # 4; 1952 urdu edition > > > > “ stree bhaag aur khud stree barbad ho�� [shanishchar # 12 > ] > > > > Where as if the Sun is placed in the 12th and the Saturn in the 6th the > book says : page 355 ; 1952 urdu edition > > > > “ ab shukra { grahast stree}barbad na hoga balki shukra raddi > hote huye bhi nek aur uttam phal dega�� [ shanishchar # 6 ] > > > > Therefore: > > > > [a] Why should this combination affect, either way, grahasth and stree? > > What could be the logic for this reversal of results when the same > two planets, sun and Saturn, are involved? > > [c] In either case the two planets will be associated through aspect, > and still give different results for the same area of life i.e. grahast > and stree. Why? > > > > With respect to you all > > > > Bhooshan Priya > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 Dear Kulbir ji, Yes, that sounds logical and makes sense. It is a well accepted axiom of the Lal Kitab that when the Sun aspects saturn it is the significations of Venus which get adversely affected [scapegoat concept]. The dichotomy arose because whether the sun is placed in the 6th and aspects the Saturn in the 12th, or the sun placed in the 12th and aspects the saturn in the 6th, the results should have been similar. If the results get modified then why? God bless you, Bhooshan Priya , kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: > > Guruji, > > 1941 page 172 says that by defult saturn in 12th house grants > immunity from rahu ketu and mercury, the matrimonial bliss is > exclusively subject to quantum of darkness of saturn. Sun in 6th > reduces the darkness of Saturn. This could be one of possible reasons. > 2ndly for saturn in 6th house page 163 has that the presence of sun in > 12th; saturn comes under pledge that it will cause no adverse effects. > 3rdly House no 6 has 1/4th aspect on house no 12. 1/4th darkness in > fact helps sun with its relation with venus ref. Page 89 trik bhavon > ki gatha- the native with sun in 12 should have a spouse that has > least traits of saturn. but this very 1/4 light of sun from 6th to 12 > th can cause serious trouble for saturn in 12th thereby damaging > results of venus. > > Regards. > > Kulbir > > > > > On 9/30/09, Pandit Bhooshan Priya < wrote: > > > > Dear Lal Kitab Scholars, > > > > > > > > [ Pt. Umesh Sharma ji, Vipin Shukla ji, Kulbir ji , Mahajan ji, S Leekha > > ji, Kapatjal ji, Anand jotish ji,] > > > > > > > > Could you please help me understand the following dichotomy? > > > > > > > > If the Sun is placed in the 6th house and the Saturn is placed in the > > 12th house the book says: page 334 ;note # 4; 1952 urdu edition > > > > > > > > “ stree bhaag aur khud stree barbad ho�� [shanishchar # 12 > > ] > > > > > > > > Where as if the Sun is placed in the 12th and the Saturn in the 6th the > > book says : page 355 ; 1952 urdu edition > > > > > > > > “ ab shukra { grahast stree}barbad na hoga balki shukra raddi > > hote huye bhi nek aur uttam phal dega�� [ shanishchar # 6 ] > > > > > > > > Therefore: > > > > > > > > [a] Why should this combination affect, either way, grahasth and stree? > > > > What could be the logic for this reversal of results when the same > > two planets, sun and Saturn, are involved? > > > > [c] In either case the two planets will be associated through aspect, > > and still give different results for the same area of life i.e. grahast > > and stree. Why? > > > > > > > > With respect to you all > > > > > > > > Bhooshan Priya > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 Guruji, The aspect is from 6th to 12th. End results are expected in 12th. Both houses have different nature regarding ownership, exaltation, deblitation, place in kaal purash kundali, karakakatwas items, so it is but natural that combination resulting from 1/4 aspect of sun of 6th house and saturn in 12th house will be different from combination of 1/4aspect of saturn of 6th and sun in 12th. Regards . Kulbir. On 10/2/09, Pandit Bhooshan Priya < wrote: > Dear Kulbir ji, > > Yes, that sounds logical and makes sense. > > It is a well accepted axiom of the Lal Kitab that when the Sun aspects > saturn it is the significations of Venus which get adversely affected > [scapegoat concept]. > > The dichotomy arose because whether the sun is placed in the 6th and aspects > the Saturn in the 12th, or the sun placed in the 12th and aspects the saturn > in the 6th, the results should have been similar. If the results get > modified then why? > > God bless you, > > Bhooshan Priya > > > > > , kulbir bance <kulbirbance > wrote: >> >> Guruji, >> >> 1941 page 172 says that by defult saturn in 12th house grants >> immunity from rahu ketu and mercury, the matrimonial bliss is >> exclusively subject to quantum of darkness of saturn. Sun in 6th >> reduces the darkness of Saturn. This could be one of possible reasons. >> 2ndly for saturn in 6th house page 163 has that the presence of sun in >> 12th; saturn comes under pledge that it will cause no adverse effects. >> 3rdly House no 6 has 1/4th aspect on house no 12. 1/4th darkness in >> fact helps sun with its relation with venus ref. Page 89 trik bhavon >> ki gatha- the native with sun in 12 should have a spouse that has >> least traits of saturn. but this very 1/4 light of sun from 6th to 12 >> th can cause serious trouble for saturn in 12th thereby damaging >> results of venus. >> >> Regards. >> >> Kulbir >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 9/30/09, Pandit Bhooshan Priya < wrote: >> > >> > Dear Lal Kitab Scholars, >> > >> > >> > >> > [ Pt. Umesh Sharma ji, Vipin Shukla ji, Kulbir ji , Mahajan ji, S Leekha >> > ji, Kapatjal ji, Anand jotish ji,] >> > >> > >> > >> > Could you please help me understand the following dichotomy? >> > >> > >> > >> > If the Sun is placed in the 6th house and the Saturn is placed in the >> > 12th house the book says: page 334 ;note # 4; 1952 urdu edition >> > >> > >> > >> > “ stree bhaag aur khud stree barbad ho�� [shanishchar # 12 >> > ] >> > >> > >> > >> > Where as if the Sun is placed in the 12th and the Saturn in the 6th the >> > book says : page 355 ; 1952 urdu edition >> > >> > >> > >> > “ ab shukra { grahast stree}barbad na hoga balki shukra raddi >> > hote huye bhi nek aur uttam phal dega�� [ shanishchar # 6 ] >> > >> > >> > >> > Therefore: >> > >> > >> > >> > [a] Why should this combination affect, either way, grahasth and stree? >> > >> > What could be the logic for this reversal of results when the same >> > two planets, sun and Saturn, are involved? >> > >> > [c] In either case the two planets will be associated through aspect, >> > and still give different results for the same area of life i.e. grahast >> > and stree. Why? >> > >> > >> > >> > With respect to you all >> > >> > >> > >> > Bhooshan Priya >> > >> > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 Dear Kulbir ji, In this context the karkatwa remains the same i.e. grahasth sukh for both the situations and the results differ. Going deeper into the analysis, may be just loud thinking on my part, but then this is how inquisitive research proceeds. Sun [venus+mercury] from the 6th aspecting Saturn [venus+Jupiter] in the 12th. The venus component will be aspecting its exaltation house and hence should have a positive aspect [ Ref: page 109 line # 17 onwards; 1952 urdu ed] on its friend Saturn in the house representing ‘shayya sukh’. This aspect of venus component on Saturn [which includes a venus component in the house of exaltation] should not harm the significations of Venus; but as the result shows, it does. Where as in the reverse situation, sun in the 12th aspecting Saturn in the 6th, for the same karkatwa i.e. grahasth sukh the same venus component of the sun will be aspecting its house of debility and could possibly adversely affect the Saturn; but as the result shows, it doesn’t. Although the book does accept that the venus will be ‘raddi’, probably because the venus component of the sun will aspect into debility onto the venus component of Saturn which itself will be in the house of debility. May be I am trying to read a bit too much into it, which I shouldn’t be doing. Sorry to have bothered you all with my wild musings. I am so deeply involved in the book that I possibly couldn’t help. God bless you, Bhooshan Priya , kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: > > Guruji, > > The aspect is from 6th to 12th. End results are expected in > 12th. Both houses have different nature regarding ownership, > exaltation, deblitation, place in kaal purash kundali, karakakatwas > items, so it is but natural that combination resulting from 1/4 aspect > of sun of 6th house and saturn in 12th house will be different from > combination of 1/4aspect of saturn of 6th and sun in 12th. > > Regards . > > Kulbir. > On 10/2/09, Pandit Bhooshan Priya < wrote: > > Dear Kulbir ji, > > > > Yes, that sounds logical and makes sense. > > > > It is a well accepted axiom of the Lal Kitab that when the Sun aspects > > saturn it is the significations of Venus which get adversely affected > > [scapegoat concept]. > > > > The dichotomy arose because whether the sun is placed in the 6th and aspects > > the Saturn in the 12th, or the sun placed in the 12th and aspects the saturn > > in the 6th, the results should have been similar. If the results get > > modified then why? > > > > God bless you, > > > > Bhooshan Priya > > > > > > > > > > , kulbir bance <kulbirbance@> > > wrote: > >> > >> Guruji, > >> > >> 1941 page 172 says that by defult saturn in 12th house grants > >> immunity from rahu ketu and mercury, the matrimonial bliss is > >> exclusively subject to quantum of darkness of saturn. Sun in 6th > >> reduces the darkness of Saturn. This could be one of possible reasons. > >> 2ndly for saturn in 6th house page 163 has that the presence of sun in > >> 12th; saturn comes under pledge that it will cause no adverse effects. > >> 3rdly House no 6 has 1/4th aspect on house no 12. 1/4th darkness in > >> fact helps sun with its relation with venus ref. Page 89 trik bhavon > >> ki gatha- the native with sun in 12 should have a spouse that has > >> least traits of saturn. but this very 1/4 light of sun from 6th to 12 > >> th can cause serious trouble for saturn in 12th thereby damaging > >> results of venus. > >> > >> Regards. > >> > >> Kulbir > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On 9/30/09, Pandit Bhooshan Priya <@> wrote: > >> > > >> > Dear Lal Kitab Scholars, > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > [ Pt. Umesh Sharma ji, Vipin Shukla ji, Kulbir ji , Mahajan ji, S Leekha > >> > ji, Kapatjal ji, Anand jotish ji,] > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Could you please help me understand the following dichotomy? > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > If the Sun is placed in the 6th house and the Saturn is placed in the > >> > 12th house the book says: page 334 ;note # 4; 1952 urdu edition > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > “ stree bhaag aur khud stree barbad ho�� [shanishchar # 12 > >> > ] > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Where as if the Sun is placed in the 12th and the Saturn in the 6th the > >> > book says : page 355 ; 1952 urdu edition > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > “ ab shukra { grahast stree}barbad na hoga balki shukra raddi > >> > hote huye bhi nek aur uttam phal dega�� [ shanishchar # 6 ] > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Therefore: > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > [a] Why should this combination affect, either way, grahasth and stree? > >> > > >> > What could be the logic for this reversal of results when the same > >> > two planets, sun and Saturn, are involved? > >> > > >> > [c] In either case the two planets will be associated through aspect, > >> > and still give different results for the same area of life i.e. grahast > >> > and stree. Why? > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > With respect to you all > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Bhooshan Priya > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 Guruji, i beg to differ on the fundamental question. How can sun in 12 aspect 6th house. Only mercury has the capacity to aspect 6th house from 12. Regards. Kulbir. On 10/2/09, Pandit Bhooshan Priya < wrote: > Dear Kulbir ji, > > In this context the karkatwa remains the same i.e. grahasth sukh for both > the situations and the results differ. > > Going deeper into the analysis, may be just loud thinking on my part, but > then this is how inquisitive research proceeds. > > Sun [venus+mercury] from the 6th aspecting Saturn [venus+Jupiter] in the > 12th. > > The venus component will be aspecting its exaltation house and hence should > have a positive aspect [ Ref: page 109 line # 17 onwards; 1952 urdu ed] on > its friend Saturn in the house representing ‘shayya sukh’. This aspect > of venus component on Saturn [which includes a venus component in the house > of exaltation] should not harm the significations of Venus; but as the > result shows, it does. > > Where as in the reverse situation, sun in the 12th aspecting Saturn in the > 6th, for the same karkatwa i.e. grahasth sukh the same venus component of > the sun will be aspecting its house of debility and could possibly adversely > affect the Saturn; but as the result shows, it doesn’t. > > Although the book does accept that the venus will be ‘raddi’, probably > because the venus component of the sun will aspect into debility onto the > venus component of Saturn which itself will be in the house of debility. > > May be I am trying to read a bit too much into it, which I shouldn’t be > doing. Sorry to have bothered you all with my wild musings. I am so deeply > involved in the book that I possibly couldn’t help. > > God bless you, > > Bhooshan Priya > > , kulbir bance <kulbirbance > wrote: >> >> Guruji, >> >> The aspect is from 6th to 12th. End results are expected in >> 12th. Both houses have different nature regarding ownership, >> exaltation, deblitation, place in kaal purash kundali, karakakatwas >> items, so it is but natural that combination resulting from 1/4 aspect >> of sun of 6th house and saturn in 12th house will be different from >> combination of 1/4aspect of saturn of 6th and sun in 12th. >> >> Regards . >> >> Kulbir. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10/2/09, Pandit Bhooshan Priya < wrote: >> > Dear Kulbir ji, >> > >> > Yes, that sounds logical and makes sense. >> > >> > It is a well accepted axiom of the Lal Kitab that when the Sun aspects >> > saturn it is the significations of Venus which get adversely affected >> > [scapegoat concept]. >> > >> > The dichotomy arose because whether the sun is placed in the 6th and >> > aspects >> > the Saturn in the 12th, or the sun placed in the 12th and aspects the >> > saturn >> > in the 6th, the results should have been similar. If the results get >> > modified then why? >> > >> > God bless you, >> > >> > Bhooshan Priya >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > , kulbir bance <kulbirbance@> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Guruji, >> >> >> >> 1941 page 172 says that by defult saturn in 12th house grants >> >> immunity from rahu ketu and mercury, the matrimonial bliss is >> >> exclusively subject to quantum of darkness of saturn. Sun in 6th >> >> reduces the darkness of Saturn. This could be one of possible reasons. >> >> 2ndly for saturn in 6th house page 163 has that the presence of sun in >> >> 12th; saturn comes under pledge that it will cause no adverse effects. >> >> 3rdly House no 6 has 1/4th aspect on house no 12. 1/4th darkness in >> >> fact helps sun with its relation with venus ref. Page 89 trik bhavon >> >> ki gatha- the native with sun in 12 should have a spouse that has >> >> least traits of saturn. but this very 1/4 light of sun from 6th to 12 >> >> th can cause serious trouble for saturn in 12th thereby damaging >> >> results of venus. >> >> >> >> Regards. >> >> >> >> Kulbir >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 9/30/09, Pandit Bhooshan Priya <@> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Dear Lal Kitab Scholars, >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > [ Pt. Umesh Sharma ji, Vipin Shukla ji, Kulbir ji , Mahajan ji, S >> >> > Leekha >> >> > ji, Kapatjal ji, Anand jotish ji,] >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Could you please help me understand the following dichotomy? >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > If the Sun is placed in the 6th house and the Saturn is placed in the >> >> > 12th house the book says: page 334 ;note # 4; 1952 urdu edition >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > “ stree bhaag aur khud stree barbad ho�� [shanishchar # 12 >> >> > ] >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Where as if the Sun is placed in the 12th and the Saturn in the 6th >> >> > the >> >> > book says : page 355 ; 1952 urdu edition >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > “ ab shukra { grahast stree}barbad na hoga balki shukra raddi >> >> > hote huye bhi nek aur uttam phal dega�� [ shanishchar # 6 ] >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Therefore: >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > [a] Why should this combination affect, either way, grahasth and >> >> > stree? >> >> > >> >> > What could be the logic for this reversal of results when the same >> >> > two planets, sun and Saturn, are involved? >> >> > >> >> > [c] In either case the two planets will be associated through aspect, >> >> > and still give different results for the same area of life i.e. >> >> > grahast >> >> > and stree. Why? >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > With respect to you all >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Bhooshan Priya >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 Guruji, the book says '' chatta 12 ko dekhta hai magar 12 van chatte me apna asar nahin daal sakta sivaye khanna no. 12 ke budh ke''. So how can sun of 12 cast aspect upon saturn in 6th. regards. Kulbir On 10/2/09, Pandit Bhooshan Priya < wrote: > Dear Kulbir ji, > > In this context the karkatwa remains the same i.e. grahasth sukh for both > the situations and the results differ. > > Going deeper into the analysis, may be just loud thinking on my part, but > then this is how inquisitive research proceeds. > > Sun [venus+mercury] from the 6th aspecting Saturn [venus+Jupiter] in the > 12th. > > The venus component will be aspecting its exaltation house and hence should > have a positive aspect [ Ref: page 109 line # 17 onwards; 1952 urdu ed] on > its friend Saturn in the house representing ‘shayya sukh’. This aspect > of venus component on Saturn [which includes a venus component in the house > of exaltation] should not harm the significations of Venus; but as the > result shows, it does. > > Where as in the reverse situation, sun in the 12th aspecting Saturn in the > 6th, for the same karkatwa i.e. grahasth sukh the same venus component of > the sun will be aspecting its house of debility and could possibly adversely > affect the Saturn; but as the result shows, it doesn’t. > > Although the book does accept that the venus will be ‘raddi’, probably > because the venus component of the sun will aspect into debility onto the > venus component of Saturn which itself will be in the house of debility. > > May be I am trying to read a bit too much into it, which I shouldn’t be > doing. Sorry to have bothered you all with my wild musings. I am so deeply > involved in the book that I possibly couldn’t help. > > God bless you, > > Bhooshan Priya > > , kulbir bance <kulbirbance > wrote: >> >> Guruji, >> >> The aspect is from 6th to 12th. End results are expected in >> 12th. Both houses have different nature regarding ownership, >> exaltation, deblitation, place in kaal purash kundali, karakakatwas >> items, so it is but natural that combination resulting from 1/4 aspect >> of sun of 6th house and saturn in 12th house will be different from >> combination of 1/4aspect of saturn of 6th and sun in 12th. >> >> Regards . >> >> Kulbir. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10/2/09, Pandit Bhooshan Priya < wrote: >> > Dear Kulbir ji, >> > >> > Yes, that sounds logical and makes sense. >> > >> > It is a well accepted axiom of the Lal Kitab that when the Sun aspects >> > saturn it is the significations of Venus which get adversely affected >> > [scapegoat concept]. >> > >> > The dichotomy arose because whether the sun is placed in the 6th and >> > aspects >> > the Saturn in the 12th, or the sun placed in the 12th and aspects the >> > saturn >> > in the 6th, the results should have been similar. If the results get >> > modified then why? >> > >> > God bless you, >> > >> > Bhooshan Priya >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > , kulbir bance <kulbirbance@> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Guruji, >> >> >> >> 1941 page 172 says that by defult saturn in 12th house grants >> >> immunity from rahu ketu and mercury, the matrimonial bliss is >> >> exclusively subject to quantum of darkness of saturn. Sun in 6th >> >> reduces the darkness of Saturn. This could be one of possible reasons. >> >> 2ndly for saturn in 6th house page 163 has that the presence of sun in >> >> 12th; saturn comes under pledge that it will cause no adverse effects. >> >> 3rdly House no 6 has 1/4th aspect on house no 12. 1/4th darkness in >> >> fact helps sun with its relation with venus ref. Page 89 trik bhavon >> >> ki gatha- the native with sun in 12 should have a spouse that has >> >> least traits of saturn. but this very 1/4 light of sun from 6th to 12 >> >> th can cause serious trouble for saturn in 12th thereby damaging >> >> results of venus. >> >> >> >> Regards. >> >> >> >> Kulbir >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 9/30/09, Pandit Bhooshan Priya <@> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Dear Lal Kitab Scholars, >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > [ Pt. Umesh Sharma ji, Vipin Shukla ji, Kulbir ji , Mahajan ji, S >> >> > Leekha >> >> > ji, Kapatjal ji, Anand jotish ji,] >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Could you please help me understand the following dichotomy? >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > If the Sun is placed in the 6th house and the Saturn is placed in the >> >> > 12th house the book says: page 334 ;note # 4; 1952 urdu edition >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > “ stree bhaag aur khud stree barbad ho�� [shanishchar # 12 >> >> > ] >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Where as if the Sun is placed in the 12th and the Saturn in the 6th >> >> > the >> >> > book says : page 355 ; 1952 urdu edition >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > “ ab shukra { grahast stree}barbad na hoga balki shukra raddi >> >> > hote huye bhi nek aur uttam phal dega�� [ shanishchar # 6 ] >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Therefore: >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > [a] Why should this combination affect, either way, grahasth and >> >> > stree? >> >> > >> >> > What could be the logic for this reversal of results when the same >> >> > two planets, sun and Saturn, are involved? >> >> > >> >> > [c] In either case the two planets will be associated through aspect, >> >> > and still give different results for the same area of life i.e. >> >> > grahast >> >> > and stree. Why? >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > With respect to you all >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Bhooshan Priya >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 Dear Kulbir ji, I too believed in this axiom till I saw the drishti diagram on page 115 of the 1952 urdu edition. In the diagram for aam haalat [ under normal circumstances] it is shown that the 6th aspects the 12th and similarly the 12th also aspects the 6th. The page has been uploaded in the file section for you to see. I am also providing the transliteration of the urdu script. Have a look at the diagram. Aam Haalat is halat mein baithe huye grahon ki vahi drishti vagairah ki halat hogi jo ki aam halat mein hua karti hai; yani 1,7,4,10 ya 5,9,3,11 vagairah vagairah. Ab vahami dosti dushmani ka usool qayam rahega. God bless you. Bhooshan Priya , kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote:>> Guruji,> > the book says '' chatta 12 ko dekhta hai magar 12 van chatte> me apna asar nahin daal sakta sivaye khanna no. 12 ke budh ke''. So> how can sun of 12 cast aspect upon saturn in 6th.> > regards.> > Kulbir> > > > > > > > > > On 10/2/09, Pandit Bhooshan Priya wrote:> > Dear Kulbir ji,> >> > In this context the karkatwa remains the same i.e. grahasth sukh for both> > the situations and the results differ.> >> > Going deeper into the analysis, may be just loud thinking on my part, but> > then this is how inquisitive research proceeds.> >> > Sun [venus+mercury] from the 6th aspecting Saturn [venus+Jupiter] in the> > 12th.> >> > The venus component will be aspecting its exaltation house and hence should> > have a positive aspect [ Ref: page 109 line # 17 onwards; 1952 urdu ed] on> > its friend Saturn in the house representing ‘shayya sukh’. This aspect> > of venus component on Saturn [which includes a venus component in the house> > of exaltation] should not harm the significations of Venus; but as the> > result shows, it does.> >> > Where as in the reverse situation, sun in the 12th aspecting Saturn in the> > 6th, for the same karkatwa i.e. grahasth sukh the same venus component of> > the sun will be aspecting its house of debility and could possibly adversely> > affect the Saturn; but as the result shows, it doesn’t.> >> > Although the book does accept that the venus will be ‘raddi’, probably> > because the venus component of the sun will aspect into debility onto the> > venus component of Saturn which itself will be in the house of debility.> >> > May be I am trying to read a bit too much into it, which I shouldn’t be> > doing. Sorry to have bothered you all with my wild musings. I am so deeply> > involved in the book that I possibly couldn’t help.> >> > God bless you,> >> > Bhooshan Priya> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > , kulbir bance kulbirbance@> > wrote:> >>> >> Guruji,> >>> >> The aspect is from 6th to 12th. End results are expected in> >> 12th. Both houses have different nature regarding ownership,> >> exaltation, deblitation, place in kaal purash kundali, karakakatwas> >> items, so it is but natural that combination resulting from 1/4 aspect> >> of sun of 6th house and saturn in 12th house will be different from> >> combination of 1/4aspect of saturn of 6th and sun in 12th.> >>> >> Regards .> >>> >> Kulbir.> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> On 10/2/09, Pandit Bhooshan Priya @ wrote:> >> > Dear Kulbir ji,> >> >> >> > Yes, that sounds logical and makes sense.> >> >> >> > It is a well accepted axiom of the Lal Kitab that when the Sun aspects> >> > saturn it is the significations of Venus which get adversely affected> >> > [scapegoat concept].> >> >> >> > The dichotomy arose because whether the sun is placed in the 6th and> >> > aspects> >> > the Saturn in the 12th, or the sun placed in the 12th and aspects the> >> > saturn> >> > in the 6th, the results should have been similar. If the results get> >> > modified then why?> >> >> >> > God bless you,> >> >> >> > Bhooshan Priya> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > , kulbir bance <kulbirbance@>> >> > wrote:> >> >>> >> >> Guruji,> >> >>> >> >> 1941 page 172 says that by defult saturn in 12th house grants> >> >> immunity from rahu ketu and mercury, the matrimonial bliss is> >> >> exclusively subject to quantum of darkness of saturn. Sun in 6th> >> >> reduces the darkness of Saturn. This could be one of possible reasons.> >> >> 2ndly for saturn in 6th house page 163 has that the presence of sun in> >> >> 12th; saturn comes under pledge that it will cause no adverse effects.> >> >> 3rdly House no 6 has 1/4th aspect on house no 12. 1/4th darkness in> >> >> fact helps sun with its relation with venus ref. Page 89 trik bhavon> >> >> ki gatha- the native with sun in 12 should have a spouse that has> >> >> least traits of saturn. but this very 1/4 light of sun from 6th to 12> >> >> th can cause serious trouble for saturn in 12th thereby damaging> >> >> results of venus.> >> >>> >> >> Regards.> >> >>> >> >> Kulbir> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> On 9/30/09, Pandit Bhooshan Priya <@> wrote:> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Lal Kitab Scholars,> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > [ Pt. Umesh Sharma ji, Vipin Shukla ji, Kulbir ji , Mahajan ji, S> >> >> > Leekha> >> >> > ji, Kapatjal ji, Anand jotish ji,]> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Could you please help me understand the following dichotomy?> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > If the Sun is placed in the 6th house and the Saturn is placed in the> >> >> > 12th house the book says: page 334 ;note # 4; 1952 urdu edition> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > “ stree bhaag aur khud stree barbad ho�� [shanishchar # 12> >> >> > ]> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Where as if the Sun is placed in the 12th and the Saturn in the 6th> >> >> > the> >> >> > book says : page 355 ; 1952 urdu edition> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > “ ab shukra { grahast stree}barbad na hoga balki shukra raddi> >> >> > hote huye bhi nek aur uttam phal dega�� [ shanishchar # 6 ]> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Therefore:> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > [a] Why should this combination affect, either way, grahasth and> >> >> > stree?> >> >> >> >> >> > What could be the logic for this reversal of results when the same> >> >> > two planets, sun and Saturn, are involved?> >> >> >> >> >> > [c] In either case the two planets will be associated through aspect,> >> >> > and still give different results for the same area of life i.e.> >> >> > grahast> >> >> > and stree. Why?> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > With respect to you all> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Bhooshan Priya> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 Guruji, Kindly have a look at diagram under topic Grah Drishti, Aam haalat no.1 the arrow from 6th to 12th is there but no arrow from 12 to 6th. 2ndly a table is there which has 2 columns 1st the house from which arrow starts and 2nd where it ends. Here also 6 - 12 is there but no 12 - 6. Next Ulte ghar (aam haalat no. 2) explains the whole case in detail. The table you are quoting shows direct and reverse aspect on every house in 1-7 position. That too 100%. Secondly the concept of percentage/quantum is not explained thirdly aspecting example of saturn and sun in 6-12 explains it beyond doubt. Kindly upload the Grah drishti aam haalat no.1 diagram alongwith transliteration and ulte ghar aam haalat no.2 and grahon ki baham drishti v rashiyon se talook also. Regards. Kulbir. On 10/2/09, Pandit Bhooshan Priya < wrote: > > Dear Kulbir ji, > > > > I too believed in this axiom till I saw the drishti diagram on page 115 > of the 1952 urdu edition. In the diagram for aam haalat [ under normal > circumstances] it is shown that the 6th aspects the 12th and similarly > the 12th also aspects the 6th. The page has been uploaded in the file > section for you to see. I am also providing the transliteration of the > urdu script. > > Have a look at the diagram. > > > > > > Aam Haalat > > > > is halat mein baithe huye grahon ki vahi drishti vagairah ki halat hogi > jo ki aam halat mein hua karti hai; yani 1,7,4,10 ya 5,9,3,11 vagairah > vagairah. Ab vahami dosti dushmani ka usool qayam rahega. > God bless you. > > > > Bhooshan Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , kulbir bance > <kulbirbance wrote: >> >> Guruji, >> >> the book says '' chatta 12 ko dekhta hai magar 12 van chatte >> me apna asar nahin daal sakta sivaye khanna no. 12 ke budh ke''. So >> how can sun of 12 cast aspect upon saturn in 6th. >> >> regards. >> >> Kulbir >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10/2/09, Pandit Bhooshan Priya wrote: >> > Dear Kulbir ji, >> > >> > In this context the karkatwa remains the same i.e. grahasth sukh for > both >> > the situations and the results differ. >> > >> > Going deeper into the analysis, may be just loud thinking on my > part, but >> > then this is how inquisitive research proceeds. >> > >> > Sun [venus+mercury] from the 6th aspecting Saturn [venus+Jupiter] in > the >> > 12th. >> > >> > The venus component will be aspecting its exaltation house and hence > should >> > have a positive aspect [ Ref: page 109 line # 17 onwards; 1952 urdu > ed] on >> > its friend Saturn in the house representing ‘shayya > sukh’. This aspect >> > of venus component on Saturn [which includes a venus component in > the house >> > of exaltation] should not harm the significations of Venus; but as > the >> > result shows, it does. >> > >> > Where as in the reverse situation, sun in the 12th aspecting Saturn > in the >> > 6th, for the same karkatwa i.e. grahasth sukh the same venus > component of >> > the sun will be aspecting its house of debility and could possibly > adversely >> > affect the Saturn; but as the result shows, it doesn’t. >> > >> > Although the book does accept that the venus will be > ‘raddi’, probably >> > because the venus component of the sun will aspect into debility > onto the >> > venus component of Saturn which itself will be in the house of > debility. >> > >> > May be I am trying to read a bit too much into it, which I > shouldn’t be >> > doing. Sorry to have bothered you all with my wild musings. I am so > deeply >> > involved in the book that I possibly couldn’t help. >> > >> > God bless you, >> > >> > Bhooshan Priya >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > , kulbir bance > kulbirbance@ >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Guruji, >> >> >> >> The aspect is from 6th to 12th. End results are expected in >> >> 12th. Both houses have different nature regarding ownership, >> >> exaltation, deblitation, place in kaal purash kundali, karakakatwas >> >> items, so it is but natural that combination resulting from 1/4 > aspect >> >> of sun of 6th house and saturn in 12th house will be different from >> >> combination of 1/4aspect of saturn of 6th and sun in 12th. >> >> >> >> Regards . >> >> >> >> Kulbir. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10/2/09, Pandit Bhooshan Priya @ wrote: >> >> > Dear Kulbir ji, >> >> > >> >> > Yes, that sounds logical and makes sense. >> >> > >> >> > It is a well accepted axiom of the Lal Kitab that when the Sun > aspects >> >> > saturn it is the significations of Venus which get adversely > affected >> >> > [scapegoat concept]. >> >> > >> >> > The dichotomy arose because whether the sun is placed in the 6th > and >> >> > aspects >> >> > the Saturn in the 12th, or the sun placed in the 12th and aspects > the >> >> > saturn >> >> > in the 6th, the results should have been similar. If the results > get >> >> > modified then why? >> >> > >> >> > God bless you, >> >> > >> >> > Bhooshan Priya >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > , kulbir bance > <kulbirbance@> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Guruji, >> >> >> >> >> >> 1941 page 172 says that by defult saturn in 12th house grants >> >> >> immunity from rahu ketu and mercury, the matrimonial bliss is >> >> >> exclusively subject to quantum of darkness of saturn. Sun in 6th >> >> >> reduces the darkness of Saturn. This could be one of possible > reasons. >> >> >> 2ndly for saturn in 6th house page 163 has that the presence of > sun in >> >> >> 12th; saturn comes under pledge that it will cause no adverse > effects. >> >> >> 3rdly House no 6 has 1/4th aspect on house no 12. 1/4th darkness > in >> >> >> fact helps sun with its relation with venus ref. Page 89 trik > bhavon >> >> >> ki gatha- the native with sun in 12 should have a spouse that > has >> >> >> least traits of saturn. but this very 1/4 light of sun from 6th > to 12 >> >> >> th can cause serious trouble for saturn in 12th thereby damaging >> >> >> results of venus. >> >> >> >> >> >> Regards. >> >> >> >> >> >> Kulbir >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 9/30/09, Pandit Bhooshan Priya <@> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Dear Lal Kitab Scholars, >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > [ Pt. Umesh Sharma ji, Vipin Shukla ji, Kulbir ji , Mahajan > ji, S >> >> >> > Leekha >> >> >> > ji, Kapatjal ji, Anand jotish ji,] >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Could you please help me understand the following dichotomy? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > If the Sun is placed in the 6th house and the Saturn is placed > in the >> >> >> > 12th house the book says: page 334 ;note # 4; 1952 urdu > edition >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > “ stree bhaag aur khud stree barbad ho�� > [shanishchar # 12 >> >> >> > ] >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Where as if the Sun is placed in the 12th and the Saturn in > the 6th >> >> >> > the >> >> >> > book says : page 355 ; 1952 urdu edition >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > “ ab shukra { grahast stree}barbad na hoga balki shukra > raddi >> >> >> > hote huye bhi nek aur uttam phal dega�� [ shanishchar # > 6 ] >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Therefore: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > [a] Why should this combination affect, either way, grahasth > and >> >> >> > stree? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > What could be the logic for this reversal of results when > the same >> >> >> > two planets, sun and Saturn, are involved? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > [c] In either case the two planets will be associated through > aspect, >> >> >> > and still give different results for the same area of life > i.e. >> >> >> > grahast >> >> >> > and stree. Why? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > With respect to you all >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Bhooshan Priya >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 Dear Kulbir ji, The aam halat drishti is also known as ‘apne se satve ko dekhana’. This is a universally accepted drishti in all paddhatis of astrology world over. Now let me quote the relevant passage from the Lal Kitab for this: 100 feesadi aur apane se baad ke satve ko dekhane ka farq 100 feesadi wala khana apane se baad ke khane mein doodh mein khaand ki tarah apana asar aise ka vaisa hi mila deta hai / magar apane se saatve wala apane se baad ke ghar ke asar ko ulta kar deta hai / goya doodh ka bartan hi zahreela kar diya hai / dono halaton mein drishti ka asar to 100 feesadi hota hai [ page 107 ; 1952 urdu edition] { the original urdu passage has been uploaded} It means that the Kendra houses, 1,4,7 and 10 [ known as 100feesadi wale khane] have an aspect which assimilates like sugar in the milk. The rest of the houses fall under the category of ‘apane se baad ke satve ghar’. The drishti in both the cases is 100 %. I was talking of the apane se baad ka satvan ghar drishti when trying to understand the sun/saturn placements in 6/12 houses. Three uploads: [a] Page 107 quoted above As desired by you the page showing diagram ‘ aam halat number 1’ with transliteration has also been uploaded.[ page 102; 1952 urdu edition] [c] Another table showing the Aam halat drishti has also been uploaded.[ page 112; 1952 urdu edition] God bless you, Bhooshan Priya , kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote:>> Guruji,> > > Kindly have a look at diagram under topic Grah Drishti, Aam> haalat no.1 the arrow from 6th to 12th is there but no arrow from 12> to 6th. 2ndly a table is there which has 2 columns 1st the house from> which arrow starts and 2nd where it ends. Here also 6 - 12 is there> but no 12 - 6. Next Ulte ghar (aam haalat no. 2) explains the whole> case in detail. The table you are quoting shows direct and reverse> aspect on every house in 1-7 position. That too 100%. Secondly the> concept of percentage/quantum is not explained thirdly aspecting> example of saturn and sun in 6-12 explains it beyond doubt. Kindly> upload the Grah drishti aam haalat no.1 diagram alongwith> transliteration and ulte ghar aam haalat no.2 and grahon ki baham> drishti v rashiyon se talook also.> > Regards.> > Kulbir.> > > > > > > > > > > > On 10/2/09, Pandit Bhooshan Priya wrote:> >> > Dear Kulbir ji,> >> >> >> > I too believed in this axiom till I saw the drishti diagram on page 115> > of the 1952 urdu edition. In the diagram for aam haalat [ under normal> > circumstances] it is shown that the 6th aspects the 12th and similarly> > the 12th also aspects the 6th. The page has been uploaded in the file> > section for you to see. I am also providing the transliteration of the> > urdu script.> >> > Have a look at the diagram.> >> >> >> >> >> > Aam Haalat> >> >> >> > is halat mein baithe huye grahon ki vahi drishti vagairah ki halat hogi> > jo ki aam halat mein hua karti hai; yani 1,7,4,10 ya 5,9,3,11 vagairah> > vagairah. Ab vahami dosti dushmani ka usool qayam rahega.> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > God bless you.> >> >> >> > Bhooshan Priya> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > , kulbir bance> > kulbirbance@ wrote:> >>> >> Guruji,> >>> >> the book says '' chatta 12 ko dekhta hai magar 12 van chatte> >> me apna asar nahin daal sakta sivaye khanna no. 12 ke budh ke''. So> >> how can sun of 12 cast aspect upon saturn in 6th.> >>> >> regards.> >>> >> Kulbir> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> On 10/2/09, Pandit Bhooshan Priya @ wrote:> >> > Dear Kulbir ji,> >> >> >> > In this context the karkatwa remains the same i.e. grahasth sukh for> > both> >> > the situations and the results differ.> >> >> >> > Going deeper into the analysis, may be just loud thinking on my> > part, but> >> > then this is how inquisitive research proceeds.> >> >> >> > Sun [venus+mercury] from the 6th aspecting Saturn [venus+Jupiter] in> > the> >> > 12th.> >> >> >> > The venus component will be aspecting its exaltation house and hence> > should> >> > have a positive aspect [ Ref: page 109 line # 17 onwards; 1952 urdu> > ed] on> >> > its friend Saturn in the house representing ‘shayya> > sukh’. This aspect> >> > of venus component on Saturn [which includes a venus component in> > the house> >> > of exaltation] should not harm the significations of Venus; but as> > the> >> > result shows, it does.> >> >> >> > Where as in the reverse situation, sun in the 12th aspecting Saturn> > in the> >> > 6th, for the same karkatwa i.e. grahasth sukh the same venus> > component of> >> > the sun will be aspecting its house of debility and could possibly> > adversely> >> > affect the Saturn; but as the result shows, it doesn’t.> >> >> >> > Although the book does accept that the venus will be> > ‘raddi’, probably> >> > because the venus component of the sun will aspect into debility> > onto the> >> > venus component of Saturn which itself will be in the house of> > debility.> >> >> >> > May be I am trying to read a bit too much into it, which I> > shouldn’t be> >> > doing. Sorry to have bothered you all with my wild musings. I am so> > deeply> >> > involved in the book that I possibly couldn’t help.> >> >> >> > God bless you,> >> >> >> > Bhooshan Priya> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > , kulbir bance> > kulbirbance@> >> > wrote:> >> >>> >> >> Guruji,> >> >>> >> >> The aspect is from 6th to 12th. End results are expected in> >> >> 12th. Both houses have different nature regarding ownership,> >> >> exaltation, deblitation, place in kaal purash kundali, karakakatwas> >> >> items, so it is but natural that combination resulting from 1/4> > aspect> >> >> of sun of 6th house and saturn in 12th house will be different from> >> >> combination of 1/4aspect of saturn of 6th and sun in 12th.> >> >>> >> >> Regards .> >> >>> >> >> Kulbir.> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> On 10/2/09, Pandit Bhooshan Priya @ wrote:> >> >> > Dear Kulbir ji,> >> >> >> >> >> > Yes, that sounds logical and makes sense.> >> >> >> >> >> > It is a well accepted axiom of the Lal Kitab that when the Sun> > aspects> >> >> > saturn it is the significations of Venus which get adversely> > affected> >> >> > [scapegoat concept].> >> >> >> >> >> > The dichotomy arose because whether the sun is placed in the 6th> > and> >> >> > aspects> >> >> > the Saturn in the 12th, or the sun placed in the 12th and aspects> > the> >> >> > saturn> >> >> > in the 6th, the results should have been similar. If the results> > get> >> >> > modified then why?> >> >> >> >> >> > God bless you,> >> >> >> >> >> > Bhooshan Priya> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > , kulbir bance> > <kulbirbance@>> >> >> > wrote:> >> >> >>> >> >> >> Guruji,> >> >> >>> >> >> >> 1941 page 172 says that by defult saturn in 12th house grants> >> >> >> immunity from rahu ketu and mercury, the matrimonial bliss is> >> >> >> exclusively subject to quantum of darkness of saturn. Sun in 6th> >> >> >> reduces the darkness of Saturn. This could be one of possible> > reasons.> >> >> >> 2ndly for saturn in 6th house page 163 has that the presence of> > sun in> >> >> >> 12th; saturn comes under pledge that it will cause no adverse> > effects.> >> >> >> 3rdly House no 6 has 1/4th aspect on house no 12. 1/4th darkness> > in> >> >> >> fact helps sun with its relation with venus ref. Page 89 trik> > bhavon> >> >> >> ki gatha- the native with sun in 12 should have a spouse that> > has> >> >> >> least traits of saturn. but this very 1/4 light of sun from 6th> > to 12> >> >> >> th can cause serious trouble for saturn in 12th thereby damaging> >> >> >> results of venus.> >> >> >>> >> >> >> Regards.> >> >> >>> >> >> >> Kulbir> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >> On 9/30/09, Pandit Bhooshan Priya <@> wrote:> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Lal Kitab Scholars,> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > [ Pt. Umesh Sharma ji, Vipin Shukla ji, Kulbir ji , Mahajan> > ji, S> >> >> >> > Leekha> >> >> >> > ji, Kapatjal ji, Anand jotish ji,]> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Could you please help me understand the following dichotomy?> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > If the Sun is placed in the 6th house and the Saturn is placed> > in the> >> >> >> > 12th house the book says: page 334 ;note # 4; 1952 urdu> > edition> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > “ stree bhaag aur khud stree barbad ho��> > [shanishchar # 12> >> >> >> > ]> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Where as if the Sun is placed in the 12th and the Saturn in> > the 6th> >> >> >> > the> >> >> >> > book says : page 355 ; 1952 urdu edition> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > “ ab shukra { grahast stree}barbad na hoga balki shukra> > raddi> >> >> >> > hote huye bhi nek aur uttam phal dega�� [ shanishchar #> > 6 ]> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Therefore:> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > [a] Why should this combination affect, either way, grahasth> > and> >> >> >> > stree?> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > What could be the logic for this reversal of results when> > the same> >> >> >> > two planets, sun and Saturn, are involved?> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > [c] In either case the two planets will be associated through> > aspect,> >> >> >> > and still give different results for the same area of life> > i.e.> >> >> >> > grahast> >> >> >> > and stree. Why?> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > With respect to you all> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Bhooshan Priya> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.