Guest guest Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Kulbir jee, Agar sab baaton ko bhool kar sirf ek hee baat ko sahmne rakh kar dekhe to shayad iss baat ka jawab mil jaye ki kyon Suraj khana no 6 se shani 12 ko dekhne par stree bhag aur stree sukh kharab(barbad) hota hai SURAJ DEKHE SHANI KO TO SHUKAR BARBAD shani dekhe suraj ko abb shukar barbad nahi hoga.magar raj darbar manda ho sakta hai. Abb agar SURAJ khana no 6 se khana no 12 mein bithe shani ko dekhega to shani ke saath shukar(jiska ki khana no 12 par pura adhikar hai unch hai shukar )ko bhee suraj barbad kar dega kyonki dono hee suraj ke saath mitrata nahi rakhte.Kuchh baaton ke liye vyakaran mein na uljha jaye to shayad solve ho jaye . maine apne vichar rakh diye aap ka kya anuman hai iss ki intzar rahega. MAHAJAN --- On Sat, 10/3/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: > kulbir bance <kulbirbance > LK discussion group Re: Could you please help me understand? > > Saturday, October 3, 2009, 5:30 AM > Guruji, > > Thanks for taking out that much time for this topic. I > have > learnt some valuable leads regarding aspects, which > otherwise would > have remained unnoticed. > > Regards. > > Kulbir > > > > > On 10/3/09, Pandit Bhooshan Priya < > wrote: > > > > Dear Kulbir ji, > > > > > > > > You have said: > > > > > > > > This reference is only in the context that the planet > which > > is exalted in any house gets debilitated in its 7th > house. > > > > > > > > Then wouldn’t you consider venus exalted in the > 12th house > > aspecting the 6th house of its debility. If yes, then > wouldn’t it > > be an example of reverse aspect? > > > > How about Mars, exalted in the 10th and debilitated in > the 4th, or the > > Jupiter the other way round. This axiom will be true > for all planets > > only if the reverse aspect is also taken into > consideration. > > > > > > > > Now, as you have asked, I quote an example of reverse > aspect from the > > 1952 urdu edition: > > > > > > > > Page 952 ; 1952 urdu edition: > > > > > > > > Khana # 4 : Chandra ka ghar hai / is ghar ko > khana 10 ke grah 100 > > feesadi nazar se dekhate hain / khana 10 ka > brahaspati nek nazar > > rakhega / > > > > > > > > Now the Jupiter placed in the 10th is in debility > house. The reverse > > aspect of the Jupiter on the 4th will be nek ‘ > nek nazar > > rakhega’. This statement also breaks the myth > that baad ke grah > > pahale gharon ko nahi dekhate. > > > > > > > > As per your own statement, I hope this topic is now > “resolved > > beyond doubt.�� > > > > > > > > God bless you > > > > > > > > Bhooshan Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > kulbir bance > > <kulbirbance wrote: > >> > >> Guruji, > >> > >> This refferance is only in the context that the > planet which > >> is exalted in any house gets deblitated in its 7th > house. In > >> lalkitab the aspect of 1 to 6 to 7 to 12 are > considered. Exception of > >> 2nd house where 8th house aspects 2nd. Saturn in 6 > can aspect 2nd. Sun > >> and Moon cast aspect upon 5th from 9th. Saturn in > 10 and mercury in 12 > >> have special aspects. The detailed explanation of > planets in various > >> houses proves this principle. It would be very > kind of you if you can > >> quote any planet which gets affected by the > reverse aspect. Then this > >> topic will be resolved beyond doubt. > >> > >> Regards . > >> > >> Kulbir > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On 10/3/09, Pandit Bhooshan Priya > wrote: > >> > > >> > Dear Kulbir ji, > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > The aam halat drishti is also known as > ‘apne se satve ko > >> > dekhana’. This is a universally > accepted drishti in all > > paddhatis > >> > of astrology world over. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Now let me quote the relevant passage from > the Lal Kitab for this: > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > 100 feesadi aur apane se baad ke satve ko > dekhane ka farq > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > 100 feesadi wala khana apane se baad ke khane > mein doodh mein khaand > >> > ki tarah apana asar aise ka vaisa hi mila > deta hai / magar apane se > >> > saatve wala apane se baad ke ghar ke asar ko > ulta kar deta hai / > > goya > >> > doodh ka bartan hi zahreela kar diya hai / > dono halaton mein drishti > > ka > >> > asar to 100 feesadi hota hai [ page 107 ; > 1952 urdu edition] > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > { the original urdu passage has been > uploaded} > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > It means that the Kendra houses, 1,4,7 and 10 > [ known as 100feesadi > > wale > >> > khane] have an aspect which assimilates like > sugar in the milk. The > > rest > >> > of the houses fall under the category of > ‘apane se baad ke > > satve > >> > ghar’. The drishti in both the cases > is 100 %. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > I was talking of the apane se baad ka satvan > ghar drishti when > > trying to > >> > understand the sun/saturn placements in 6/12 > houses. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Three uploads: > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > [a] Page 107 quoted above > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > As desired by you the page showing > diagram ‘ aam halat > > number > >> > 1’ with transliteration has also been > uploaded.[ page 102; > > 1952 > >> > urdu edition] > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > [c] Another table showing the Aam halat > drishti has also been > > uploaded.[ > >> > page 112; 1952 urdu edition] > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > God bless you, > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Bhooshan Priya > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > , > kulbir bance > >> > kulbirbance@ wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Guruji, > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Kindly have a look at diagram under topic > Grah Drishti, Aam > >> >> haalat no.1 the arrow from 6th to 12th is > there but no arrow from > > 12 > >> >> to 6th. 2ndly a table is there which has > 2 columns 1st the house > > from > >> >> which arrow starts and 2nd where it ends. > Here also 6 - 12 is there > >> >> but no 12 - 6. Next Ulte ghar (aam haalat > no. 2) explains the whole > >> >> case in detail. The table you are quoting > shows direct and reverse > >> >> aspect on every house in 1-7 position. > That too 100%. Secondly the > >> >> concept of percentage/quantum is not > explained thirdly aspecting > >> >> example of saturn and sun in 6-12 > explains it beyond doubt. Kindly > >> >> upload the Grah drishti aam haalat no.1 > diagram alongwith > >> >> transliteration and ulte ghar aam haalat > no.2 and grahon ki baham > >> >> drishti v rashiyon se talook also. > >> >> > >> >> Regards. > >> >> > >> >> Kulbir. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On 10/2/09, Pandit Bhooshan Priya > @ wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > Dear Kulbir ji, > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > I too believed in this axiom till I > saw the drishti diagram on > > page > >> > 115 > >> >> > of the 1952 urdu edition. In the > diagram for aam haalat [ under > >> > normal > >> >> > circumstances] it is shown that the > 6th aspects the 12th and > >> > similarly > >> >> > the 12th also aspects the 6th. The > page has been uploaded in the > >> > file > >> >> > section for you to see. I am also > providing the transliteration > > of > >> > the > >> >> > urdu script. > >> >> > > >> >> > Have a look at the diagram. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > Aam Haalat > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > is halat mein baithe huye grahon ki > vahi drishti vagairah ki > > halat > >> > hogi > >> >> > jo ki aam halat mein hua karti hai; > yani 1,7,4,10 ya 5,9,3,11 > >> > vagairah > >> >> > vagairah. Ab vahami dosti dushmani > ka usool qayam rahega. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > God bless you. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > Bhooshan Priya > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > , > kulbir bance > >> >> > kulbirbance@ wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Guruji, > >> >> >> > >> >> >> the book says '' chatta 12 ko > dekhta hai magar 12 van chatte > >> >> >> me apna asar nahin daal sakta > sivaye khanna no. 12 ke budh ke''. > > So > >> >> >> how can sun of 12 cast aspect > upon saturn in 6th. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> regards. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Kulbir > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> On 10/2/09, Pandit Bhooshan > Priya @ wrote: > >> >> >> > Dear Kulbir ji, > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > In this context the > karkatwa remains the same i.e. grahasth > > sukh > >> > for > >> >> > both > >> >> >> > the situations and the > results differ. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Going deeper into the > analysis, may be just loud thinking on > > my > >> >> > part, but > >> >> >> > then this is how > inquisitive research proceeds. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Sun [venus+mercury] from > the 6th aspecting Saturn > > [venus+Jupiter] > >> > in > >> >> > the > >> >> >> > 12th. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > The venus component will be > aspecting its exaltation house and > >> > hence > >> >> > should > >> >> >> > have a positive aspect [ > Ref: page 109 line # 17 onwards; 1952 > >> > urdu > >> >> > ed] on > >> >> >> > its friend Saturn in the > house representing ‘shayya > >> >> > sukh’. This aspect > >> >> >> > of venus component on > Saturn [which includes a venus component > > in > >> >> > the house > >> >> >> > of exaltation] should not > harm the significations of Venus; > > but > >> > as > >> >> > the > >> >> >> > result shows, it does. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Where as in the reverse > situation, sun in the 12th aspecting > >> > Saturn > >> >> > in the > >> >> >> > 6th, for the same karkatwa > i.e. grahasth sukh the same venus > >> >> > component of > >> >> >> > the sun will be aspecting > its house of debility and could > >> > possibly > >> >> > adversely > >> >> >> > affect the Saturn; but as > the result shows, it doesn’t. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Although the book does > accept that the venus will be > >> >> > ‘raddi’, probably > >> >> >> > because the venus component > of the sun will aspect into > > debility > >> >> > onto the > >> >> >> > venus component of Saturn > which itself will be in the house of > >> >> > debility. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > May be I am trying to read > a bit too much into it, which I > >> >> > shouldn’t be > >> >> >> > doing. Sorry to have > bothered you all with my wild musings. I > > am > >> > so > >> >> > deeply > >> >> >> > involved in the book that I > possibly couldn’t help. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > God bless you, > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Bhooshan Priya > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > , > kulbir bance > >> >> > kulbirbance@ > >> >> >> > wrote: > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Guruji, > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> The aspect is from 6th > to 12th. End results are expected in > >> >> >> >> 12th. Both houses have > different nature regarding ownership, > >> >> >> >> exaltation, > deblitation, place in kaal purash kundali, > >> > karakakatwas > >> >> >> >> items, so it is but > natural that combination resulting from > > 1/4 > >> >> > aspect > >> >> >> >> of sun of 6th house and > saturn in 12th house will be > > different > >> > from > >> >> >> >> combination of > 1/4aspect of saturn of 6th and sun in 12th. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Regards . > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Kulbir. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> On 10/2/09, Pandit > Bhooshan Priya @ wrote: > >> >> >> >> > Dear Kulbir ji, > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > Yes, that sounds > logical and makes sense. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > It is a well > accepted axiom of the Lal Kitab that when the > > Sun > >> >> > aspects > >> >> >> >> > saturn it is the > significations of Venus which get > > adversely > >> >> > affected > >> >> >> >> > [scapegoat > concept]. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > The dichotomy > arose because whether the sun is placed in > > the > >> > 6th > >> >> > and > >> >> >> >> > aspects > >> >> >> >> > the Saturn in the > 12th, or the sun placed in the 12th and > >> > aspects > >> >> > the > >> >> >> >> > saturn > >> >> >> >> > in the 6th, the > results should have been similar. If the > >> > results > >> >> > get > >> >> >> >> > modified then > why? > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > God bless you, > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > Bhooshan Priya > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > , > kulbir bance > >> >> > <kulbirbance@> > >> >> >> >> > wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> Guruji, > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> 1941 page 172 > says that by defult saturn in 12th house > > grants > >> >> >> >> >> immunity from > rahu ketu and mercury, the matrimonial bliss > > is > >> >> >> >> >> exclusively > subject to quantum of darkness of saturn. Sun > > in > >> > 6th > >> >> >> >> >> reduces the > darkness of Saturn. This could be one of > > possible > >> >> > reasons. > >> >> >> >> >> 2ndly for > saturn in 6th house page 163 has that the > > presence > >> > of > >> >> > sun in > >> >> >> >> >> 12th; saturn > comes under pledge that it will cause no > > adverse > >> >> > effects. > >> >> >> >> >> 3rdly House no > 6 has 1/4th aspect on house no 12. 1/4th > >> > darkness > >> >> > in > >> >> >> >> >> fact helps sun > with its relation with venus ref. Page 89 > > trik > >> >> > bhavon > >> >> >> >> >> ki gatha- the > native with sun in 12 should have a spouse > > that > >> >> > has > >> >> >> >> >> least traits > of saturn. but this very 1/4 light of sun > > from > >> > 6th > >> >> > to 12 > >> >> >> >> >> th can cause > serious trouble for saturn in 12th thereby > >> > damaging > >> >> >> >> >> results of > venus. > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> Regards. > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> Kulbir > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> On 9/30/09, > Pandit Bhooshan Priya <@> > > wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Lal > Kitab Scholars, > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > [ Pt. > Umesh Sharma ji, Vipin Shukla ji, Kulbir ji , > > Mahajan > >> >> > ji, S > >> >> >> >> >> > Leekha > >> >> >> >> >> > ji, > Kapatjal ji, Anand jotish ji,] > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > Could you > please help me understand the following > >> > dichotomy? > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > If the > Sun is placed in the 6th house and the Saturn is > >> > placed > >> >> > in the > >> >> >> >> >> > 12th > house the book says: page 334 ;note # 4; 1952 urdu > >> >> > edition > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > “ > stree bhaag aur khud stree barbad ho�� > >> >> > [shanishchar # 12 > >> >> >> >> >> > ] > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > Where as > if the Sun is placed in the 12th and the Saturn > > in > >> >> > the 6th > >> >> >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> >> >> > book says > : page 355 ; 1952 urdu edition > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > “ > ab shukra { grahast stree}barbad na hoga balki > >> > shukra > >> >> > raddi > >> >> >> >> >> > hote huye > bhi nek aur uttam phal dega�� [ > >> > shanishchar # > >> >> > 6 ] > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > Therefore: > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > [a] Why > should this combination affect, either way, > >> > grahasth > >> >> > and > >> >> >> >> >> > stree? > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > What > could be the logic for this reversal of results > >> > when > >> >> > the same > >> >> >> >> >> > two > planets, sun and Saturn, are involved? > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > [c] In > either case the two planets will be associated > >> > through > >> >> > aspect, > >> >> >> >> >> > and still > give different results for the same area of > > life > >> >> > i.e. > >> >> >> >> >> > grahast > >> >> >> >> >> > and > stree. Why? > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > With > respect to you all > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > Bhooshan > Priya > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2009 Report Share Posted October 20, 2009 Respected Mahajan ji, Vyakaran ki zaroorat kyon padi ? ----- ''Suraj Shani khanna no 12. Shani ravi na jhagda karte - nahi shukar khud manda ho, asar waqt par umda hote - mard aurat sab sukhiya ho. Ab dono hi grahon ka uttam v umda phal hoga ; balki shukkar bhi manda na hoga.'' aapne sirf suraj aur shani ka uch shukar ke ghar ka asar likh diya jo kitab me uparlikhat banta hai. Par sooraj 6 mein baith kar shani 12 mein aa mile to baat bilkul ulat ho jati hai. Ab 2 baatein hain 1. Sooraj 6 mein aisa kya special hai. 2. sooraj 6 ka phal 12 ke shani par aakhir padta kaise hai? Agar aap yeh vyakaran ke bagair samjha dein to badi meharbani hogi. Regards. Kulbir. On 10/19/09, Hemant Mohan <heartzthief54 wrote: > Kulbir jee, > > Agar sab baaton ko bhool kar sirf ek hee baat ko sahmne rakh kar dekhe to > shayad iss baat ka jawab mil jaye ki kyon Suraj khana no 6 se shani 12 ko > dekhne par stree bhag aur stree sukh kharab(barbad) hota hai > > SURAJ DEKHE SHANI KO TO SHUKAR BARBAD > > shani dekhe suraj ko abb shukar barbad nahi hoga.magar raj darbar manda ho > sakta hai. > > Abb agar SURAJ khana no 6 se khana no 12 mein bithe shani ko dekhega to > shani ke saath shukar(jiska ki khana no 12 par pura adhikar hai unch hai > shukar )ko bhee suraj barbad kar dega kyonki dono hee suraj ke saath mitrata > nahi rakhte.Kuchh baaton ke liye vyakaran mein na uljha jaye to shayad solve > ho jaye . > maine apne vichar rakh diye aap ka kya anuman hai iss ki intzar rahega. > > MAHAJAN > > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: > >> kulbir bance <kulbirbance >> LK discussion group Re: Could you please help me understand? >> >> Saturday, October 3, 2009, 5:30 AM >> Guruji, >> >> Thanks for taking out that much time for this topic. I >> have >> learnt some valuable leads regarding aspects, which >> otherwise would >> have remained unnoticed. >> >> Regards. >> >> Kulbir >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10/3/09, Pandit Bhooshan Priya < >> wrote: >> > >> > Dear Kulbir ji, >> > >> > >> > >> > You have said: >> > >> > >> > >> > This reference is only in the context that the planet >> which >> > is exalted in any house gets debilitated in its 7th >> house. >> > >> > >> > >> > Then wouldn’t you consider venus exalted in the >> 12th house >> > aspecting the 6th house of its debility. If yes, then >> wouldn’t it >> > be an example of reverse aspect? >> > >> > How about Mars, exalted in the 10th and debilitated in >> the 4th, or the >> > Jupiter the other way round. This axiom will be true >> for all planets >> > only if the reverse aspect is also taken into >> consideration. >> > >> > >> > >> > Now, as you have asked, I quote an example of reverse >> aspect from the >> > 1952 urdu edition: >> > >> > >> > >> > Page 952 ; 1952 urdu edition: >> > >> > >> > >> > Khana # 4 : Chandra ka ghar hai /� is ghar ko >> khana 10 ke grah 100 >> > feesadi nazar se dekhate hain /� khana 10 ka >> brahaspati nek nazar >> > rakhega / >> > >> > >> > >> > Now the Jupiter placed in the 10th is in debility >> house. The reverse >> > aspect of the Jupiter on the 4th will be nek ‘ >> nek nazar >> > rakhega’. This statement also breaks the myth >> that baad ke grah >> > pahale gharon ko nahi dekhate. >> > >> > >> > >> > As per your own statement, I hope this topic is now >> “resolved >> > beyond doubt.�� >> > >> > >> > >> > God bless you >> > >> > >> > >> > Bhooshan Priya >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > , >> kulbir bance >> > <kulbirbance wrote: >> >> >> >> Guruji, >> >> >> >> This refferance is only in the context that the >> planet which >> >> is exalted in any house gets deblitated in its 7th >> house. In >> >> lalkitab the aspect of 1 to 6 to 7 to 12 are >> considered. Exception of >> >> 2nd house where 8th house aspects 2nd. Saturn in 6 >> can aspect 2nd. Sun >> >> and Moon cast aspect upon 5th from 9th. Saturn in >> 10 and mercury in 12 >> >> have special aspects. The detailed explanation of >> planets in various >> >> houses proves this principle. It would be very >> kind of you if you can >> >> quote any planet which gets affected by the >> reverse aspect. Then this >> >> topic will be resolved beyond doubt. >> >> >> >> Regards . >> >> >> >> Kulbir >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10/3/09, Pandit Bhooshan Priya >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Dear Kulbir ji, >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > The aam halat drishti is also known as >> ‘apne se satve ko >> >> > dekhana’. This is a universally >> accepted drishti in all >> > paddhatis >> >> > of astrology world over. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Now let me quote the relevant passage from >> the Lal Kitab for this: >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > 100 feesadi aur apane se baad ke satve ko >> dekhane ka farq >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > 100 feesadi wala khana apane se baad ke khane >> mein doodh mein khaand >> >> > ki tarah apana asar aise ka vaisa hi mila >> deta hai / magar apane se >> >> > saatve wala apane se baad ke ghar ke asar ko >> ulta kar deta hai / >> > goya >> >> > doodh ka bartan hi zahreela kar diya hai / >> dono halaton mein drishti >> > ka >> >> > asar to 100 feesadi hota hai [ page 107 ; >> 1952 urdu edition] >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > { the original urdu passage has been >> uploaded} >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > It means that the Kendra houses, 1,4,7 and 10 >> [ known as 100feesadi >> > wale >> >> > khane] have an aspect which assimilates like >> sugar in the milk. The >> > rest >> >> > of the houses fall under the category of >> ‘apane se baad ke >> > satve >> >> > ghar’. The drishti in both the cases >> is 100 %. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > I was talking of the apane se baad ka satvan >> ghar drishti when >> > trying to >> >> > understand the sun/saturn placements in 6/12 >> houses. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Three uploads: >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > [a] Page 107 quoted above >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > As desired by you the page showing >> diagram ‘ aam halat >> > number >> >> > 1’ with transliteration has also been >> uploaded.[ page 102; >> > 1952 >> >> > urdu edition] >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > [c] Another table showing the Aam halat >> drishti has also been >> > uploaded.[ >> >> > page 112; 1952 urdu edition] >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > God bless you, >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Bhooshan Priya >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > , >> kulbir bance >> >> > kulbirbance@ wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Guruji, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Kindly have a look at diagram under topic >> Grah Drishti, Aam >> >> >> haalat no.1 the arrow from 6th to 12th is >> there but no arrow from >> > 12 >> >> >> to 6th. 2ndly a table is there which has >> 2 columns 1st the house >> > from >> >> >> which arrow starts and 2nd where it ends. >> Here also 6 - 12 is there >> >> >> but no 12 - 6. Next Ulte ghar (aam haalat >> no. 2) explains the whole >> >> >> case in detail. The table you are quoting >> shows direct and reverse >> >> >> aspect on every house in 1-7 position. >> That too 100%. Secondly the >> >> >> concept of percentage/quantum is not >> explained thirdly aspecting >> >> >> example of saturn and sun in 6-12 >> explains it beyond doubt. Kindly >> >> >> upload the Grah drishti aam haalat no.1 >> diagram alongwith >> >> >> transliteration and ulte ghar aam haalat >> no.2 and grahon ki baham >> >> >> drishti v rashiyon se talook also. >> >> >> >> >> >> Regards. >> >> >> >> >> >> Kulbir. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10/2/09, Pandit Bhooshan Priya >> @ wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Dear Kulbir ji, >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > I too believed in this axiom till I >> saw the drishti diagram on >> > page >> >> > 115 >> >> >> > of the 1952 urdu edition. In the >> diagram for aam haalat [ under >> >> > normal >> >> >> > circumstances] it is shown that the >> 6th aspects the 12th and >> >> > similarly >> >> >> > the 12th also aspects the 6th. The >> page has been uploaded in the >> >> > file >> >> >> > section for you to see. I am also >> providing the transliteration >> > of >> >> > the >> >> >> > urdu script. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Have a look at the diagram. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Aam Haalat >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > is halat mein baithe huye grahon ki >> vahi drishti vagairah ki >> > halat >> >> > hogi >> >> >> > jo ki aam halat mein hua karti hai; >> yani 1,7,4,10 ya 5,9,3,11 >> >> > vagairah >> >> >> > vagairah. Ab vahami dosti dushmani >> ka usool qayam rahega. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > God bless you. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Bhooshan Priya >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > , >> kulbir bance >> >> >> > kulbirbance@ wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Guruji, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> the book says '' chatta 12 ko >> dekhta hai magar 12 van chatte >> >> >> >> me apna asar nahin daal sakta >> sivaye khanna no. 12 ke budh ke''. >> > So >> >> >> >> how can sun of 12 cast aspect >> upon saturn in 6th. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> regards. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Kulbir >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10/2/09, Pandit Bhooshan >> Priya @ wrote: >> >> >> >> > Dear Kulbir ji, >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > In this context the >> karkatwa remains the same i.e. grahasth >> > sukh >> >> > for >> >> >> > both >> >> >> >> > the situations and the >> results differ. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Going deeper into the >> analysis, may be just loud thinking on >> > my >> >> >> > part, but >> >> >> >> > then this is how >> inquisitive research proceeds. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Sun [venus+mercury] from >> the 6th aspecting Saturn >> > [venus+Jupiter] >> >> > in >> >> >> > the >> >> >> >> > 12th. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > The venus component will be >> aspecting its exaltation house and >> >> > hence >> >> >> > should >> >> >> >> > have a positive aspect [ >> Ref: page 109 line # 17 onwards; 1952 >> >> > urdu >> >> >> > ed] on >> >> >> >> > its friend Saturn in the >> house representing ‘shayya >> >> >> > sukh’. This aspect >> >> >> >> > of venus component on >> Saturn [which includes a venus component >> > in >> >> >> > the house >> >> >> >> > of exaltation] should not >> harm the significations of Venus; >> > but >> >> > as >> >> >> > the >> >> >> >> > result shows, it does. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Where as in the reverse >> situation, sun in the 12th aspecting >> >> > Saturn >> >> >> > in the >> >> >> >> > 6th, for the same karkatwa >> i.e. grahasth sukh the same venus >> >> >> > component of >> >> >> >> > the sun will be aspecting >> its house of debility and could >> >> > possibly >> >> >> > adversely >> >> >> >> > affect the Saturn; but as >> the result shows, it doesn’t. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Although the book does >> accept that the venus will be >> >> >> > ‘raddi’, probably >> >> >> >> > because the venus component >> of the sun will aspect into >> > debility >> >> >> > onto the >> >> >> >> > venus component of Saturn >> which itself will be in the house of >> >> >> > debility. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > May be I am trying to read >> a bit too much into it, which I >> >> >> > shouldn’t be >> >> >> >> > doing. Sorry to have >> bothered you all with my wild musings. I >> > am >> >> > so >> >> >> > deeply >> >> >> >> > involved in the book that I >> possibly couldn’t help. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > God bless you, >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Bhooshan Priya >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > , >> kulbir bance >> >> >> > kulbirbance@ >> >> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Guruji, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The aspect is from 6th >> to 12th. End results are expected in >> >> >> >> >> 12th. Both houses have >> different nature regarding ownership, >> >> >> >> >> exaltation, >> deblitation, place in kaal purash kundali, >> >> > karakakatwas >> >> >> >> >> items, so it is but >> natural that combination resulting from >> > 1/4 >> >> >> > aspect >> >> >> >> >> of sun of 6th house and >> saturn in 12th house will be >> > different >> >> > from >> >> >> >> >> combination of >> 1/4aspect of saturn of 6th and sun in 12th. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Regards . >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Kulbir. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10/2/09, Pandit >> Bhooshan Priya @ wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Kulbir ji, >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > Yes, that sounds >> logical and makes sense. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > It is a well >> accepted axiom of the Lal Kitab that when the >> > Sun >> >> >> > aspects >> >> >> >> >> > saturn it is the >> significations of Venus which get >> > adversely >> >> >> > affected >> >> >> >> >> > [scapegoat >> concept]. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > The dichotomy >> arose because whether the sun is placed in >> > the >> >> > 6th >> >> >> > and >> >> >> >> >> > aspects >> >> >> >> >> > the Saturn in the >> 12th, or the sun placed in the 12th and >> >> > aspects >> >> >> > the >> >> >> >> >> > saturn >> >> >> >> >> > in the 6th, the >> results should have been similar. If the >> >> > results >> >> >> > get >> >> >> >> >> > modified then >> why? >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > God bless you, >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > Bhooshan Priya >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > , >> kulbir bance >> >> >> > <kulbirbance@> >> >> >> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Guruji, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 1941 page 172 >> says that by defult saturn in 12th house >> > grants >> >> >> >> >> >> immunity from >> rahu ketu and mercury, the matrimonial bliss >> > is >> >> >> >> >> >> exclusively >> subject to quantum of darkness of saturn. Sun >> > in >> >> > 6th >> >> >> >> >> >> reduces the >> darkness of Saturn. This could be one of >> > possible >> >> >> > reasons. >> >> >> >> >> >> 2ndly for >> saturn in 6th house page 163 has that the >> > presence >> >> > of >> >> >> > sun in >> >> >> >> >> >> 12th; saturn >> comes under pledge that it will cause no >> > adverse >> >> >> > effects. >> >> >> >> >> >> 3rdly House no >> 6 has 1/4th aspect on house no 12. 1/4th >> >> > darkness >> >> >> > in >> >> >> >> >> >> fact helps sun >> with its relation with venus ref. Page 89 >> > trik >> >> >> > bhavon >> >> >> >> >> >> ki gatha- the >> native with sun in 12 should have a spouse >> > that >> >> >> > has >> >> >> >> >> >> least traits >> of saturn. but this very 1/4 light of sun >> > from >> >> > 6th >> >> >> > to 12 >> >> >> >> >> >> th can cause >> serious trouble for saturn in 12th thereby >> >> > damaging >> >> >> >> >> >> results of >> venus. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Regards. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Kulbir >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 9/30/09, >> Pandit Bhooshan Priya <@> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Lal >> Kitab Scholars, >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > [ Pt. >> Umesh Sharma ji, Vipin Shukla ji, Kulbir ji , >> > Mahajan >> >> >> > ji, S >> >> >> >> >> >> > Leekha >> >> >> >> >> >> > ji, >> Kapatjal ji, Anand jotish ji,] >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Could you >> please help me understand the following >> >> > dichotomy? >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > If the >> Sun is placed in the 6th house and the Saturn is >> >> > placed >> >> >> > in the >> >> >> >> >> >> > 12th >> house the book says: page 334 ;note # 4; 1952 urdu >> >> >> > edition >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > “ >> stree bhaag aur khud stree barbad ho�� >> >> >> > [shanishchar # 12 >> >> >> >> >> >> > ] >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Where as >> if the Sun is placed in the 12th and the Saturn >> > in >> >> >> > the 6th >> >> >> >> >> >> > the >> >> >> >> >> >> > book says >> : page 355 ; 1952 urdu edition >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > “ >> ab shukra { grahast stree}barbad na hoga balki >> >> > shukra >> >> >> > raddi >> >> >> >> >> >> > hote huye >> bhi nek aur uttam phal dega�� [ >> >> > shanishchar # >> >> >> > 6 ] >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> Therefore: >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > [a] Why >> should this combination affect, either way, >> >> > grahasth >> >> >> > and >> >> >> >> >> >> > stree? >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > What >> could be the logic for this reversal of results >> >> > when >> >> >> > the same >> >> >> >> >> >> > two >> planets, sun and Saturn, are involved? >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > [c] In >> either case the two planets will be associated >> >> > through >> >> >> > aspect, >> >> >> >> >> >> > and still >> give different results for the same area of >> > life >> >> >> > i.e. >> >> >> >> >> >> > grahast >> >> >> >> >> >> > and >> stree. Why? >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > With >> respect to you all >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Bhooshan >> Priya >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> --- >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2009 Report Share Posted October 21, 2009 , kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: > > Respected Mahajan ji, > > Vyakaran ki zaroorat kyon padi ? ----- > > ''Suraj Shani khanna no 12. Shani ravi na jhagda karte - nahi shukar khud manda ho, asar waqt par umda hote - mard aurat sab sukhiya ho. Ab dono hi grahon ka uttam v umda phal hoga ; balki shukkar bhi manda na hoga.'' > > aapne sirf suraj aur shani ka uch shukar ke ghar ka asar likh > diya jo kitab me uparlikhat banta hai. Par sooraj 6 mein baith kar > shani 12 mein aa mile to baat bilkul ulat ho jati hai. > > Ab 2 baatein hain > > 1. Sooraj 6 mein aisa kya special hai. > > 2. sooraj 6 ka phal 12 ke shani par aakhir padta kaise hai? > > Agar aap yeh vyakaran ke bagair samjha dein to badi meharbani hogi. > > > Regards. > > Kulbir. > > Kulbir ji, aap ki pehli baat sooraj 6 mein aisa kya special hai.is baat ko apni samajh se kehne ki koshish karta hu.sooraj 6 ka shukar se direct way se to koi sambandh nahi.magar suraj 6 ka 12 ko dekhta hai.aur usi samay 12th mein shani ho to shukar barbad hoga.kyo ki vyakaran mein hi yeh baat clear hai magar iske ulat jab shani, suraj ko dekhe to to shukar aabad hoga.kyoki 6th hi 12 ko dekh sakta hai,12th bhav 6th ko nahi.budh & shani ki special drishti ko chhod kar.is baat ko yadi sidhe tarike se samjhe to " SHUKAR SHANI KI MASHOOK HAI ,JAB 12TH GHAR KE SHANI PAR SURAJ KI DRISHTI HOGI SHANI KI ANKHEN TO CHUNDIYA(KUCHH NA DIKHAYEE DENA)HI JAYEGI JAHIR HAI MASHOOKA PAR DRISHTI NA HO TO USKE KADAM TO DAGMAGA HI JAYEGE.YAHI KARAN HO SAKTA HAI SHUKAR KE KHRAB HONE KA. Regards Kunwar Vishal > > > > > > On 10/19/09, Hemant Mohan heartzthief54 wrote: > > Kulbir jee, > > > > Agar sab baaton ko bhool kar sirf ek hee baat ko sahmne rakh kar dekhe to > > shayad iss baat ka jawab mil jaye ki kyon Suraj khana no 6 se shani 12 ko > > dekhne par stree bhag aur stree sukh kharab(barbad) hota hai > > > > SURAJ DEKHE SHANI KO TO SHUKAR BARBAD > > > > shani dekhe suraj ko abb shukar barbad nahi hoga.magar raj darbar manda ho > > sakta hai. > > > > Abb agar SURAJ khana no 6 se khana no 12 mein bithe shani ko dekhega to > > shani ke saath shukar(jiska ki khana no 12 par pura adhikar hai unch hai > > shukar )ko bhee suraj barbad kar dega kyonki dono hee suraj ke saath mitrata > > nahi rakhte.Kuchh baaton ke liye vyakaran mein na uljha jaye to shayad solve > > ho jaye . > > maine apne vichar rakh diye aap ka kya anuman hai iss ki intzar rahega. > > > > MAHAJAN > > > > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, kulbir bance kulbirbance wrote: > > > >> kulbir bance kulbirbance > >> LK discussion group Re: Could you please help me understand? > >> > >> Saturday, October 3, 2009, 5:30 AM > >> Guruji, > >> > >> Thanks for taking out that much time for this topic. I > >> have > >> learnt some valuable leads regarding aspects, which > >> otherwise would > >> have remained unnoticed. > >> > >> Regards. > >> > >> Kulbir > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On 10/3/09, Pandit Bhooshan Priya > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > Dear Kulbir ji, > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > You have said: > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > This reference is only in the context that the planet > >> which > >> > is exalted in any house gets debilitated in its 7th > >> house. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Then wouldn’t you consider venus exalted in the > >> 12th house > >> > aspecting the 6th house of its debility. If yes, then > >> wouldn’t it > >> > be an example of reverse aspect? > >> > > >> > How about Mars, exalted in the 10th and debilitated in > >> the 4th, or the > >> > Jupiter the other way round. This axiom will be true > >> for all planets > >> > only if the reverse aspect is also taken into > >> consideration. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Now, as you have asked, I quote an example of reverse > >> aspect from the > >> > 1952 urdu edition: > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Page 952 ; 1952 urdu edition: > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Khana # 4 : Chandra ka ghar hai /� is ghar ko > >> khana 10 ke grah 100 > >> > feesadi nazar se dekhate hain /� khana 10 ka > >> brahaspati nek nazar > >> > rakhega / > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Now the Jupiter placed in the 10th is in debility > >> house. The reverse > >> > aspect of the Jupiter on the 4th will be nek ‘ > >> nek nazar > >> > rakhega’. This statement also breaks the myth > >> that baad ke grah > >> > pahale gharon ko nahi dekhate. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > As per your own statement, I hope this topic is now > >> “resolved > >> > beyond doubt.�� > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > God bless you > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Bhooshan Priya > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > , > >> kulbir bance > >> > kulbirbance@ wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Guruji, > >> >> > >> >> This refferance is only in the context that the > >> planet which > >> >> is exalted in any house gets deblitated in its 7th > >> house. In > >> >> lalkitab the aspect of 1 to 6 to 7 to 12 are > >> considered. Exception of > >> >> 2nd house where 8th house aspects 2nd. Saturn in 6 > >> can aspect 2nd. Sun > >> >> and Moon cast aspect upon 5th from 9th. Saturn in > >> 10 and mercury in 12 > >> >> have special aspects. The detailed explanation of > >> planets in various > >> >> houses proves this principle. It would be very > >> kind of you if you can > >> >> quote any planet which gets affected by the > >> reverse aspect. Then this > >> >> topic will be resolved beyond doubt. > >> >> > >> >> Regards . > >> >> > >> >> Kulbir > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On 10/3/09, Pandit Bhooshan Priya > >> @ wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > Dear Kulbir ji, > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > The aam halat drishti is also known as > >> ‘apne se satve ko > >> >> > dekhana’. This is a universally > >> accepted drishti in all > >> > paddhatis > >> >> > of astrology world over. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > Now let me quote the relevant passage from > >> the Lal Kitab for this: > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > 100 feesadi aur apane se baad ke satve ko > >> dekhane ka farq > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > 100 feesadi wala khana apane se baad ke khane > >> mein doodh mein khaand > >> >> > ki tarah apana asar aise ka vaisa hi mila > >> deta hai / magar apane se > >> >> > saatve wala apane se baad ke ghar ke asar ko > >> ulta kar deta hai / > >> > goya > >> >> > doodh ka bartan hi zahreela kar diya hai / > >> dono halaton mein drishti > >> > ka > >> >> > asar to 100 feesadi hota hai [ page 107 ; > >> 1952 urdu edition] > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > { the original urdu passage has been > >> uploaded} > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > It means that the Kendra houses, 1,4,7 and 10 > >> [ known as 100feesadi > >> > wale > >> >> > khane] have an aspect which assimilates like > >> sugar in the milk. The > >> > rest > >> >> > of the houses fall under the category of > >> ‘apane se baad ke > >> > satve > >> >> > ghar’. The drishti in both the cases > >> is 100 %. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > I was talking of the apane se baad ka satvan > >> ghar drishti when > >> > trying to > >> >> > understand the sun/saturn placements in 6/12 > >> houses. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > Three uploads: > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > [a] Page 107 quoted above > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > As desired by you the page showing > >> diagram ‘ aam halat > >> > number > >> >> > 1’ with transliteration has also been > >> uploaded.[ page 102; > >> > 1952 > >> >> > urdu edition] > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > [c] Another table showing the Aam halat > >> drishti has also been > >> > uploaded.[ > >> >> > page 112; 1952 urdu edition] > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > God bless you, > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > Bhooshan Priya > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > , > >> kulbir bance > >> >> > kulbirbance@ wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Guruji, > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Kindly have a look at diagram under topic > >> Grah Drishti, Aam > >> >> >> haalat no.1 the arrow from 6th to 12th is > >> there but no arrow from > >> > 12 > >> >> >> to 6th. 2ndly a table is there which has > >> 2 columns 1st the house > >> > from > >> >> >> which arrow starts and 2nd where it ends. > >> Here also 6 - 12 is there > >> >> >> but no 12 - 6. Next Ulte ghar (aam haalat > >> no. 2) explains the whole > >> >> >> case in detail. The table you are quoting > >> shows direct and reverse > >> >> >> aspect on every house in 1-7 position. > >> That too 100%. Secondly the > >> >> >> concept of percentage/quantum is not > >> explained thirdly aspecting > >> >> >> example of saturn and sun in 6-12 > >> explains it beyond doubt. Kindly > >> >> >> upload the Grah drishti aam haalat no.1 > >> diagram alongwith > >> >> >> transliteration and ulte ghar aam haalat > >> no.2 and grahon ki baham > >> >> >> drishti v rashiyon se talook also. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Regards. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Kulbir. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> On 10/2/09, Pandit Bhooshan Priya > >> @ wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Dear Kulbir ji, > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > I too believed in this axiom till I > >> saw the drishti diagram on > >> > page > >> >> > 115 > >> >> >> > of the 1952 urdu edition. In the > >> diagram for aam haalat [ under > >> >> > normal > >> >> >> > circumstances] it is shown that the > >> 6th aspects the 12th and > >> >> > similarly > >> >> >> > the 12th also aspects the 6th. The > >> page has been uploaded in the > >> >> > file > >> >> >> > section for you to see. I am also > >> providing the transliteration > >> > of > >> >> > the > >> >> >> > urdu script. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Have a look at the diagram. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Aam Haalat > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > is halat mein baithe huye grahon ki > >> vahi drishti vagairah ki > >> > halat > >> >> > hogi > >> >> >> > jo ki aam halat mein hua karti hai; > >> yani 1,7,4,10 ya 5,9,3,11 > >> >> > vagairah > >> >> >> > vagairah. Ab vahami dosti dushmani > >> ka usool qayam rahega. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > God bless you. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Bhooshan Priya > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > , > >> kulbir bance > >> >> >> > kulbirbance@ wrote: > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Guruji, > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> the book says '' chatta 12 ko > >> dekhta hai magar 12 van chatte > >> >> >> >> me apna asar nahin daal sakta > >> sivaye khanna no. 12 ke budh ke''. > >> > So > >> >> >> >> how can sun of 12 cast aspect > >> upon saturn in 6th. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> regards. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Kulbir > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> On 10/2/09, Pandit Bhooshan > >> Priya @ wrote: > >> >> >> >> > Dear Kulbir ji, > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > In this context the > >> karkatwa remains the same i.e. grahasth > >> > sukh > >> >> > for > >> >> >> > both > >> >> >> >> > the situations and the > >> results differ. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > Going deeper into the > >> analysis, may be just loud thinking on > >> > my > >> >> >> > part, but > >> >> >> >> > then this is how > >> inquisitive research proceeds. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > Sun [venus+mercury] from > >> the 6th aspecting Saturn > >> > [venus+Jupiter] > >> >> > in > >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> >> > 12th. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > The venus component will be > >> aspecting its exaltation house and > >> >> > hence > >> >> >> > should > >> >> >> >> > have a positive aspect [ > >> Ref: page 109 line # 17 onwards; 1952 > >> >> > urdu > >> >> >> > ed] on > >> >> >> >> > its friend Saturn in the > >> house representing ‘shayya > >> >> >> > sukh’. This aspect > >> >> >> >> > of venus component on > >> Saturn [which includes a venus component > >> > in > >> >> >> > the house > >> >> >> >> > of exaltation] should not > >> harm the significations of Venus; > >> > but > >> >> > as > >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> >> > result shows, it does. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > Where as in the reverse > >> situation, sun in the 12th aspecting > >> >> > Saturn > >> >> >> > in the > >> >> >> >> > 6th, for the same karkatwa > >> i.e. grahasth sukh the same venus > >> >> >> > component of > >> >> >> >> > the sun will be aspecting > >> its house of debility and could > >> >> > possibly > >> >> >> > adversely > >> >> >> >> > affect the Saturn; but as > >> the result shows, it doesn’t. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > Although the book does > >> accept that the venus will be > >> >> >> > ‘raddi’, probably > >> >> >> >> > because the venus component > >> of the sun will aspect into > >> > debility > >> >> >> > onto the > >> >> >> >> > venus component of Saturn > >> which itself will be in the house of > >> >> >> > debility. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > May be I am trying to read > >> a bit too much into it, which I > >> >> >> > shouldn’t be > >> >> >> >> > doing. Sorry to have > >> bothered you all with my wild musings. I > >> > am > >> >> > so > >> >> >> > deeply > >> >> >> >> > involved in the book that I > >> possibly couldn’t help. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > God bless you, > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > Bhooshan Priya > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > , > >> kulbir bance > >> >> >> > kulbirbance@ > >> >> >> >> > wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> Guruji, > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> The aspect is from 6th > >> to 12th. End results are expected in > >> >> >> >> >> 12th. Both houses have > >> different nature regarding ownership, > >> >> >> >> >> exaltation, > >> deblitation, place in kaal purash kundali, > >> >> > karakakatwas > >> >> >> >> >> items, so it is but > >> natural that combination resulting from > >> > 1/4 > >> >> >> > aspect > >> >> >> >> >> of sun of 6th house and > >> saturn in 12th house will be > >> > different > >> >> > from > >> >> >> >> >> combination of > >> 1/4aspect of saturn of 6th and sun in 12th. > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> Regards . > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> Kulbir. > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> On 10/2/09, Pandit > >> Bhooshan Priya @ wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Kulbir ji, > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > Yes, that sounds > >> logical and makes sense. > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > It is a well > >> accepted axiom of the Lal Kitab that when the > >> > Sun > >> >> >> > aspects > >> >> >> >> >> > saturn it is the > >> significations of Venus which get > >> > adversely > >> >> >> > affected > >> >> >> >> >> > [scapegoat > >> concept]. > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > The dichotomy > >> arose because whether the sun is placed in > >> > the > >> >> > 6th > >> >> >> > and > >> >> >> >> >> > aspects > >> >> >> >> >> > the Saturn in the > >> 12th, or the sun placed in the 12th and > >> >> > aspects > >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> >> >> > saturn > >> >> >> >> >> > in the 6th, the > >> results should have been similar. If the > >> >> > results > >> >> >> > get > >> >> >> >> >> > modified then > >> why? > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > God bless you, > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > Bhooshan Priya > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > , > >> kulbir bance > >> >> >> > <kulbirbance@> > >> >> >> >> >> > wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Guruji, > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> 1941 page 172 > >> says that by defult saturn in 12th house > >> > grants > >> >> >> >> >> >> immunity from > >> rahu ketu and mercury, the matrimonial bliss > >> > is > >> >> >> >> >> >> exclusively > >> subject to quantum of darkness of saturn. Sun > >> > in > >> >> > 6th > >> >> >> >> >> >> reduces the > >> darkness of Saturn. This could be one of > >> > possible > >> >> >> > reasons. > >> >> >> >> >> >> 2ndly for > >> saturn in 6th house page 163 has that the > >> > presence > >> >> > of > >> >> >> > sun in > >> >> >> >> >> >> 12th; saturn > >> comes under pledge that it will cause no > >> > adverse > >> >> >> > effects. > >> >> >> >> >> >> 3rdly House no > >> 6 has 1/4th aspect on house no 12. 1/4th > >> >> > darkness > >> >> >> > in > >> >> >> >> >> >> fact helps sun > >> with its relation with venus ref. Page 89 > >> > trik > >> >> >> > bhavon > >> >> >> >> >> >> ki gatha- the > >> native with sun in 12 should have a spouse > >> > that > >> >> >> > has > >> >> >> >> >> >> least traits > >> of saturn. but this very 1/4 light of sun > >> > from > >> >> > 6th > >> >> >> > to 12 > >> >> >> >> >> >> th can cause > >> serious trouble for saturn in 12th thereby > >> >> > damaging > >> >> >> >> >> >> results of > >> venus. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Regards. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Kulbir > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> On 9/30/09, > >> Pandit Bhooshan Priya <@> > >> > wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Lal > >> Kitab Scholars, > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > [ Pt. > >> Umesh Sharma ji, Vipin Shukla ji, Kulbir ji , > >> > Mahajan > >> >> >> > ji, S > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Leekha > >> >> >> >> >> >> > ji, > >> Kapatjal ji, Anand jotish ji,] > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Could you > >> please help me understand the following > >> >> > dichotomy? > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > If the > >> Sun is placed in the 6th house and the Saturn is > >> >> > placed > >> >> >> > in the > >> >> >> >> >> >> > 12th > >> house the book says: page 334 ;note # 4; 1952 urdu > >> >> >> > edition > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > “ > >> stree bhaag aur khud stree barbad ho�� > >> >> >> > [shanishchar # 12 > >> >> >> >> >> >> > ] > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Where as > >> if the Sun is placed in the 12th and the Saturn > >> > in > >> >> >> > the 6th > >> >> >> >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> >> >> >> > book says > >> : page 355 ; 1952 urdu edition > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > “ > >> ab shukra { grahast stree}barbad na hoga balki > >> >> > shukra > >> >> >> > raddi > >> >> >> >> >> >> > hote huye > >> bhi nek aur uttam phal dega�� [ > >> >> > shanishchar # > >> >> >> > 6 ] > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> Therefore: > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > [a] Why > >> should this combination affect, either way, > >> >> > grahasth > >> >> >> > and > >> >> >> >> >> >> > stree? > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > What > >> could be the logic for this reversal of results > >> >> > when > >> >> >> > the same > >> >> >> >> >> >> > two > >> planets, sun and Saturn, are involved? > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > [c] In > >> either case the two planets will be associated > >> >> > through > >> >> >> > aspect, > >> >> >> >> >> >> > and still > >> give different results for the same area of > >> > life > >> >> >> > i.e. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > grahast > >> >> >> >> >> >> > and > >> stree. Why? > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > With > >> respect to you all > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Bhooshan > >> Priya > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> --- > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Respected Vishal ji, All these points have been discussed at length in the preceeding messages on this topic. When we talk of friendship, enemity, aspects, characteristics of houses and planets therein, all these are included in grammar. I just answered mahajan ji's dictum ''kuch baaton ke liye vyakaran me na uljha jaye''. Both your goodself and mahajan ji are explaning it with rules of grammar only. Regards. Kulbir. On 10/21/09, vishalastrologer <vishalastrologer wrote: > > > , kulbir bance > <kulbirbance wrote: >> >> Respected Mahajan ji, >> >> Vyakaran ki zaroorat kyon padi ? ----- >> >> ''Suraj Shani khanna no 12. Shani ravi na jhagda karte - nahi shukar > khud manda ho, asar waqt par umda hote - mard aurat sab sukhiya ho. Ab > dono hi grahon ka uttam v umda phal hoga ; balki shukkar bhi manda na > hoga.'' >> >> aapne sirf suraj aur shani ka uch shukar ke ghar ka asar likh >> diya jo kitab me uparlikhat banta hai. Par sooraj 6 mein baith kar >> shani 12 mein aa mile to baat bilkul ulat ho jati hai. >> >> Ab 2 baatein hain >> >> 1. Sooraj 6 mein aisa kya special hai. >> >> 2. sooraj 6 ka phal 12 ke shani par aakhir padta kaise hai? >> >> Agar aap yeh vyakaran ke bagair samjha dein to badi meharbani hogi. >> >> >> Regards. >> >> Kulbir. >> >> Kulbir ji, > > aap ki pehli baat sooraj 6 mein aisa kya special > hai.is baat ko apni samajh se kehne ki koshish karta hu.sooraj 6 ka > shukar se direct way se to koi sambandh nahi.magar suraj 6 ka 12 ko > dekhta hai.aur usi samay 12th mein shani ho to shukar barbad hoga.kyo ki > vyakaran mein hi yeh baat clear hai magar iske ulat jab shani, suraj ko > dekhe to to shukar aabad hoga.kyoki 6th hi 12 ko dekh sakta hai,12th > bhav 6th ko nahi.budh & shani ki special drishti ko chhod kar.is baat ko > yadi sidhe tarike se samjhe to " SHUKAR SHANI KI MASHOOK HAI ,JAB 12TH > GHAR KE SHANI PAR SURAJ KI DRISHTI HOGI SHANI KI ANKHEN TO > CHUNDIYA(KUCHH NA DIKHAYEE DENA)HI JAYEGI JAHIR HAI MASHOOKA PAR DRISHTI > NA HO TO USKE KADAM TO DAGMAGA HI JAYEGE.YAHI KARAN HO SAKTA HAI SHUKAR > KE KHRAB HONE KA. > > Regards > > Kunwar Vishal >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10/19/09, Hemant Mohan heartzthief54 wrote: >> > Kulbir jee, >> > >> > Agar sab baaton ko bhool kar sirf ek hee baat ko sahmne rakh kar > dekhe to >> > shayad iss baat ka jawab mil jaye ki kyon Suraj khana no 6 se shani > 12 ko >> > dekhne par stree bhag aur stree sukh kharab(barbad) hota hai >> > >> > SURAJ DEKHE SHANI KO TO SHUKAR BARBAD >> > >> > shani dekhe suraj ko abb shukar barbad nahi hoga.magar raj darbar > manda ho >> > sakta hai. >> > >> > Abb agar SURAJ khana no 6 se khana no 12 mein bithe shani ko dekhega > to >> > shani ke saath shukar(jiska ki khana no 12 par pura adhikar hai unch > hai >> > shukar )ko bhee suraj barbad kar dega kyonki dono hee suraj ke saath > mitrata >> > nahi rakhte.Kuchh baaton ke liye vyakaran mein na uljha jaye to > shayad solve >> > ho jaye . >> > maine apne vichar rakh diye aap ka kya anuman hai iss ki intzar > rahega. >> > >> > MAHAJAN >> > >> > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, kulbir bance kulbirbance wrote: >> > >> >> kulbir bance kulbirbance >> >> LK discussion group Re: Could you please help me > understand? >> >> >> >> Saturday, October 3, 2009, 5:30 AM >> >> Guruji, >> >> >> >> Thanks for taking out that much time for this topic. I >> >> have >> >> learnt some valuable leads regarding aspects, which >> >> otherwise would >> >> have remained unnoticed. >> >> >> >> Regards. >> >> >> >> Kulbir >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10/3/09, Pandit Bhooshan Priya >> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Dear Kulbir ji, >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > You have said: >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > This reference is only in the context that the planet >> >> which >> >> > is exalted in any house gets debilitated in its 7th >> >> house. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Then wouldn’t you consider venus exalted in the >> >> 12th house >> >> > aspecting the 6th house of its debility. If yes, then >> >> wouldn’t it >> >> > be an example of reverse aspect? >> >> > >> >> > How about Mars, exalted in the 10th and debilitated in >> >> the 4th, or the >> >> > Jupiter the other way round. This axiom will be true >> >> for all planets >> >> > only if the reverse aspect is also taken into >> >> consideration. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Now, as you have asked, I quote an example of reverse >> >> aspect from the >> >> > 1952 urdu edition: >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Page 952 ; 1952 urdu edition: >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Khana # 4 : Chandra ka ghar hai /� is ghar ko >> >> khana 10 ke grah 100 >> >> > feesadi nazar se dekhate hain /� khana 10 ka >> >> brahaspati nek nazar >> >> > rakhega / >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Now the Jupiter placed in the 10th is in debility >> >> house. The reverse >> >> > aspect of the Jupiter on the 4th will be nek ‘ >> >> nek nazar >> >> > rakhega’. This statement also breaks the myth >> >> that baad ke grah >> >> > pahale gharon ko nahi dekhate. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > As per your own statement, I hope this topic is now >> >> “resolved >> >> > beyond doubt.�� >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > God bless you >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Bhooshan Priya >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > , >> >> kulbir bance >> >> > kulbirbance@ wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Guruji, >> >> >> >> >> >> This refferance is only in the context that the >> >> planet which >> >> >> is exalted in any house gets deblitated in its 7th >> >> house. In >> >> >> lalkitab the aspect of 1 to 6 to 7 to 12 are >> >> considered. Exception of >> >> >> 2nd house where 8th house aspects 2nd. Saturn in 6 >> >> can aspect 2nd. Sun >> >> >> and Moon cast aspect upon 5th from 9th. Saturn in >> >> 10 and mercury in 12 >> >> >> have special aspects. The detailed explanation of >> >> planets in various >> >> >> houses proves this principle. It would be very >> >> kind of you if you can >> >> >> quote any planet which gets affected by the >> >> reverse aspect. Then this >> >> >> topic will be resolved beyond doubt. >> >> >> >> >> >> Regards . >> >> >> >> >> >> Kulbir >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10/3/09, Pandit Bhooshan Priya >> >> @ wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Dear Kulbir ji, >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > The aam halat drishti is also known as >> >> ‘apne se satve ko >> >> >> > dekhana’. This is a universally >> >> accepted drishti in all >> >> > paddhatis >> >> >> > of astrology world over. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Now let me quote the relevant passage from >> >> the Lal Kitab for this: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > 100 feesadi aur apane se baad ke satve ko >> >> dekhane ka farq >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > 100 feesadi wala khana apane se baad ke khane >> >> mein doodh mein khaand >> >> >> > ki tarah apana asar aise ka vaisa hi mila >> >> deta hai / magar apane se >> >> >> > saatve wala apane se baad ke ghar ke asar ko >> >> ulta kar deta hai / >> >> > goya >> >> >> > doodh ka bartan hi zahreela kar diya hai / >> >> dono halaton mein drishti >> >> > ka >> >> >> > asar to 100 feesadi hota hai [ page 107 ; >> >> 1952 urdu edition] >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > { the original urdu passage has been >> >> uploaded} >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > It means that the Kendra houses, 1,4,7 and 10 >> >> [ known as 100feesadi >> >> > wale >> >> >> > khane] have an aspect which assimilates like >> >> sugar in the milk. The >> >> > rest >> >> >> > of the houses fall under the category of >> >> ‘apane se baad ke >> >> > satve >> >> >> > ghar’. The drishti in both the cases >> >> is 100 %. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > I was talking of the apane se baad ka satvan >> >> ghar drishti when >> >> > trying to >> >> >> > understand the sun/saturn placements in 6/12 >> >> houses. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Three uploads: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > [a] Page 107 quoted above >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > As desired by you the page showing >> >> diagram ‘ aam halat >> >> > number >> >> >> > 1’ with transliteration has also been >> >> uploaded.[ page 102; >> >> > 1952 >> >> >> > urdu edition] >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > [c] Another table showing the Aam halat >> >> drishti has also been >> >> > uploaded.[ >> >> >> > page 112; 1952 urdu edition] >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > God bless you, >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Bhooshan Priya >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > , >> >> kulbir bance >> >> >> > kulbirbance@ wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Guruji, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Kindly have a look at diagram under topic >> >> Grah Drishti, Aam >> >> >> >> haalat no.1 the arrow from 6th to 12th is >> >> there but no arrow from >> >> > 12 >> >> >> >> to 6th. 2ndly a table is there which has >> >> 2 columns 1st the house >> >> > from >> >> >> >> which arrow starts and 2nd where it ends. >> >> Here also 6 - 12 is there >> >> >> >> but no 12 - 6. Next Ulte ghar (aam haalat >> >> no. 2) explains the whole >> >> >> >> case in detail. The table you are quoting >> >> shows direct and reverse >> >> >> >> aspect on every house in 1-7 position. >> >> That too 100%. Secondly the >> >> >> >> concept of percentage/quantum is not >> >> explained thirdly aspecting >> >> >> >> example of saturn and sun in 6-12 >> >> explains it beyond doubt. Kindly >> >> >> >> upload the Grah drishti aam haalat no.1 >> >> diagram alongwith >> >> >> >> transliteration and ulte ghar aam haalat >> >> no.2 and grahon ki baham >> >> >> >> drishti v rashiyon se talook also. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Regards. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Kulbir. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10/2/09, Pandit Bhooshan Priya >> >> @ wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Dear Kulbir ji, >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > I too believed in this axiom till I >> >> saw the drishti diagram on >> >> > page >> >> >> > 115 >> >> >> >> > of the 1952 urdu edition. In the >> >> diagram for aam haalat [ under >> >> >> > normal >> >> >> >> > circumstances] it is shown that the >> >> 6th aspects the 12th and >> >> >> > similarly >> >> >> >> > the 12th also aspects the 6th. The >> >> page has been uploaded in the >> >> >> > file >> >> >> >> > section for you to see. I am also >> >> providing the transliteration >> >> > of >> >> >> > the >> >> >> >> > urdu script. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Have a look at the diagram. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Aam Haalat >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > is halat mein baithe huye grahon ki >> >> vahi drishti vagairah ki >> >> > halat >> >> >> > hogi >> >> >> >> > jo ki aam halat mein hua karti hai; >> >> yani 1,7,4,10 ya 5,9,3,11 >> >> >> > vagairah >> >> >> >> > vagairah. Ab vahami dosti dushmani >> >> ka usool qayam rahega. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > God bless you. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Bhooshan Priya >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > , >> >> kulbir bance >> >> >> >> > kulbirbance@ wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Guruji, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> the book says '' chatta 12 ko >> >> dekhta hai magar 12 van chatte >> >> >> >> >> me apna asar nahin daal sakta >> >> sivaye khanna no. 12 ke budh ke''. >> >> > So >> >> >> >> >> how can sun of 12 cast aspect >> >> upon saturn in 6th. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> regards. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Kulbir >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10/2/09, Pandit Bhooshan >> >> Priya @ wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Kulbir ji, >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > In this context the >> >> karkatwa remains the same i.e. grahasth >> >> > sukh >> >> >> > for >> >> >> >> > both >> >> >> >> >> > the situations and the >> >> results differ. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > Going deeper into the >> >> analysis, may be just loud thinking on >> >> > my >> >> >> >> > part, but >> >> >> >> >> > then this is how >> >> inquisitive research proceeds. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > Sun [venus+mercury] from >> >> the 6th aspecting Saturn >> >> > [venus+Jupiter] >> >> >> > in >> >> >> >> > the >> >> >> >> >> > 12th. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > The venus component will be >> >> aspecting its exaltation house and >> >> >> > hence >> >> >> >> > should >> >> >> >> >> > have a positive aspect [ >> >> Ref: page 109 line # 17 onwards; 1952 >> >> >> > urdu >> >> >> >> > ed] on >> >> >> >> >> > its friend Saturn in the >> >> house representing ‘shayya >> >> >> >> > sukh’. This aspect >> >> >> >> >> > of venus component on >> >> Saturn [which includes a venus component >> >> > in >> >> >> >> > the house >> >> >> >> >> > of exaltation] should not >> >> harm the significations of Venus; >> >> > but >> >> >> > as >> >> >> >> > the >> >> >> >> >> > result shows, it does. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > Where as in the reverse >> >> situation, sun in the 12th aspecting >> >> >> > Saturn >> >> >> >> > in the >> >> >> >> >> > 6th, for the same karkatwa >> >> i.e. grahasth sukh the same venus >> >> >> >> > component of >> >> >> >> >> > the sun will be aspecting >> >> its house of debility and could >> >> >> > possibly >> >> >> >> > adversely >> >> >> >> >> > affect the Saturn; but as >> >> the result shows, it doesn’t. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > Although the book does >> >> accept that the venus will be >> >> >> >> > ‘raddi’, probably >> >> >> >> >> > because the venus component >> >> of the sun will aspect into >> >> > debility >> >> >> >> > onto the >> >> >> >> >> > venus component of Saturn >> >> which itself will be in the house of >> >> >> >> > debility. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > May be I am trying to read >> >> a bit too much into it, which I >> >> >> >> > shouldn’t be >> >> >> >> >> > doing. Sorry to have >> >> bothered you all with my wild musings. I >> >> > am >> >> >> > so >> >> >> >> > deeply >> >> >> >> >> > involved in the book that I >> >> possibly couldn’t help. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > God bless you, >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > Bhooshan Priya >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > , >> >> kulbir bance >> >> >> >> > kulbirbance@ >> >> >> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Guruji, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The aspect is from 6th >> >> to 12th. End results are expected in >> >> >> >> >> >> 12th. Both houses have >> >> different nature regarding ownership, >> >> >> >> >> >> exaltation, >> >> deblitation, place in kaal purash kundali, >> >> >> > karakakatwas >> >> >> >> >> >> items, so it is but >> >> natural that combination resulting from >> >> > 1/4 >> >> >> >> > aspect >> >> >> >> >> >> of sun of 6th house and >> >> saturn in 12th house will be >> >> > different >> >> >> > from >> >> >> >> >> >> combination of >> >> 1/4aspect of saturn of 6th and sun in 12th. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Regards . >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Kulbir. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10/2/09, Pandit >> >> Bhooshan Priya @ wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Kulbir ji, >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Yes, that sounds >> >> logical and makes sense. >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > It is a well >> >> accepted axiom of the Lal Kitab that when the >> >> > Sun >> >> >> >> > aspects >> >> >> >> >> >> > saturn it is the >> >> significations of Venus which get >> >> > adversely >> >> >> >> > affected >> >> >> >> >> >> > [scapegoat >> >> concept]. >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > The dichotomy >> >> arose because whether the sun is placed in >> >> > the >> >> >> > 6th >> >> >> >> > and >> >> >> >> >> >> > aspects >> >> >> >> >> >> > the Saturn in the >> >> 12th, or the sun placed in the 12th and >> >> >> > aspects >> >> >> >> > the >> >> >> >> >> >> > saturn >> >> >> >> >> >> > in the 6th, the >> >> results should have been similar. If the >> >> >> > results >> >> >> >> > get >> >> >> >> >> >> > modified then >> >> why? >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > God bless you, >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Bhooshan Priya >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > , >> >> kulbir bance >> >> >> >> > <kulbirbance@> >> >> >> >> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Guruji, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 1941 page 172 >> >> says that by defult saturn in 12th house >> >> > grants >> >> >> >> >> >> >> immunity from >> >> rahu ketu and mercury, the matrimonial bliss >> >> > is >> >> >> >> >> >> >> exclusively >> >> subject to quantum of darkness of saturn. Sun >> >> > in >> >> >> > 6th >> >> >> >> >> >> >> reduces the >> >> darkness of Saturn. This could be one of >> >> > possible >> >> >> >> > reasons. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 2ndly for >> >> saturn in 6th house page 163 has that the >> >> > presence >> >> >> > of >> >> >> >> > sun in >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 12th; saturn >> >> comes under pledge that it will cause no >> >> > adverse >> >> >> >> > effects. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 3rdly House no >> >> 6 has 1/4th aspect on house no 12. 1/4th >> >> >> > darkness >> >> >> >> > in >> >> >> >> >> >> >> fact helps sun >> >> with its relation with venus ref. Page 89 >> >> > trik >> >> >> >> > bhavon >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ki gatha- the >> >> native with sun in 12 should have a spouse >> >> > that >> >> >> >> > has >> >> >> >> >> >> >> least traits >> >> of saturn. but this very 1/4 light of sun >> >> > from >> >> >> > 6th >> >> >> >> > to 12 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> th can cause >> >> serious trouble for saturn in 12th thereby >> >> >> > damaging >> >> >> >> >> >> >> results of >> >> venus. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Regards. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Kulbir >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 9/30/09, >> >> Pandit Bhooshan Priya <@> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Lal >> >> Kitab Scholars, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > [ Pt. >> >> Umesh Sharma ji, Vipin Shukla ji, Kulbir ji , >> >> > Mahajan >> >> >> >> > ji, S >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Leekha >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ji, >> >> Kapatjal ji, Anand jotish ji,] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Could you >> >> please help me understand the following >> >> >> > dichotomy? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > If the >> >> Sun is placed in the 6th house and the Saturn is >> >> >> > placed >> >> >> >> > in the >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > 12th >> >> house the book says: page 334 ;note # 4; 1952 urdu >> >> >> >> > edition >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > “ >> >> stree bhaag aur khud stree barbad ho�� >> >> >> >> > [shanishchar # 12 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Where as >> >> if the Sun is placed in the 12th and the Saturn >> >> > in >> >> >> >> > the 6th >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > the >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > book says >> >> : page 355 ; 1952 urdu edition >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > “ >> >> ab shukra { grahast stree}barbad na hoga balki >> >> >> > shukra >> >> >> >> > raddi >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > hote huye >> >> bhi nek aur uttam phal dega�� [ >> >> >> > shanishchar # >> >> >> >> > 6 ] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> Therefore: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > [a] Why >> >> should this combination affect, either way, >> >> >> > grahasth >> >> >> >> > and >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > stree? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > What >> >> could be the logic for this reversal of results >> >> >> > when >> >> >> >> > the same >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > two >> >> planets, sun and Saturn, are involved? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > [c] In >> >> either case the two planets will be associated >> >> >> > through >> >> >> >> > aspect, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > and still >> >> give different results for the same area of >> >> > life >> >> >> >> > i.e. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > grahast >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > and >> >> stree. Why? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > With >> >> respect to you all >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Bhooshan >> >> Priya >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> --- >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 dear kulbir ji, the theory is very simply, this story is of survival of fittest, sun aspects saturn (shuker barbad) because saturn is son(putter) of sun(suraj) and it has tendency of passing of buckets, because it was king of night (andherey ka raja-refer to prarembh of book) before the start of universe there was dark every where (shani ka samarajey) and the same saturn has given his eye to shuker with which shuker has started creating jhagda (quarrel)every where. so whenever sun aspects saturn, where sun is strong and saturn is week it will effect the phal of shuker, because baap ney baitey ka lihaaz kiya i) sun house no 1 and saturn house no 8 (istri pey istri marti jayey) on other hand when saturn aspects(koo drishti) sun, shuker will be benifitted, because saturn(beta) does not give any lihaaz to its father(sun) regards , kulbir bance <kulbirbance wrote: > > Respected Vishal ji, > > All these points have been discussed at length > in the preceeding messages on this topic. When we talk of friendship, > enemity, aspects, characteristics of houses and planets therein, all > these are included in grammar. > > I just answered mahajan ji's dictum ''kuch baaton ke liye vyakaran me na uljha jaye''. > > Both your goodself and mahajan ji are explaning it with rules of grammar only. > > Regards. > > Kulbir. > > > > > > > > On 10/21/09, vishalastrologer <vishalastrologer wrote: > > > > > > , kulbir bance > > <kulbirbance@> wrote: > >> > >> Respected Mahajan ji, > >> > >> Vyakaran ki zaroorat kyon padi ? ----- > >> > >> ''Suraj Shani khanna no 12. Shani ravi na jhagda karte - nahi shukar > > khud manda ho, asar waqt par umda hote - mard aurat sab sukhiya ho. Ab > > dono hi grahon ka uttam v umda phal hoga ; balki shukkar bhi manda na > > hoga.'' > >> > >> aapne sirf suraj aur shani ka uch shukar ke ghar ka asar likh > >> diya jo kitab me uparlikhat banta hai. Par sooraj 6 mein baith kar > >> shani 12 mein aa mile to baat bilkul ulat ho jati hai. > >> > >> Ab 2 baatein hain > >> > >> 1. Sooraj 6 mein aisa kya special hai. > >> > >> 2. sooraj 6 ka phal 12 ke shani par aakhir padta kaise hai? > >> > >> Agar aap yeh vyakaran ke bagair samjha dein to badi meharbani hogi. > >> > >> > >> Regards. > >> > >> Kulbir. > >> > >> Kulbir ji, > > > > aap ki pehli baat sooraj 6 mein aisa kya special > > hai.is baat ko apni samajh se kehne ki koshish karta hu.sooraj 6 ka > > shukar se direct way se to koi sambandh nahi.magar suraj 6 ka 12 ko > > dekhta hai.aur usi samay 12th mein shani ho to shukar barbad hoga.kyo ki > > vyakaran mein hi yeh baat clear hai magar iske ulat jab shani, suraj ko > > dekhe to to shukar aabad hoga.kyoki 6th hi 12 ko dekh sakta hai,12th > > bhav 6th ko nahi.budh & shani ki special drishti ko chhod kar.is baat ko > > yadi sidhe tarike se samjhe to " SHUKAR SHANI KI MASHOOK HAI ,JAB 12TH > > GHAR KE SHANI PAR SURAJ KI DRISHTI HOGI SHANI KI ANKHEN TO > > CHUNDIYA(KUCHH NA DIKHAYEE DENA)HI JAYEGI JAHIR HAI MASHOOKA PAR DRISHTI > > NA HO TO USKE KADAM TO DAGMAGA HI JAYEGE.YAHI KARAN HO SAKTA HAI SHUKAR > > KE KHRAB HONE KA. > > > > Regards > > > > Kunwar Vishal > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On 10/19/09, Hemant Mohan heartzthief54@ wrote: > >> > Kulbir jee, > >> > > >> > Agar sab baaton ko bhool kar sirf ek hee baat ko sahmne rakh kar > > dekhe to > >> > shayad iss baat ka jawab mil jaye ki kyon Suraj khana no 6 se shani > > 12 ko > >> > dekhne par stree bhag aur stree sukh kharab(barbad) hota hai > >> > > >> > SURAJ DEKHE SHANI KO TO SHUKAR BARBAD > >> > > >> > shani dekhe suraj ko abb shukar barbad nahi hoga.magar raj darbar > > manda ho > >> > sakta hai. > >> > > >> > Abb agar SURAJ khana no 6 se khana no 12 mein bithe shani ko dekhega > > to > >> > shani ke saath shukar(jiska ki khana no 12 par pura adhikar hai unch > > hai > >> > shukar )ko bhee suraj barbad kar dega kyonki dono hee suraj ke saath > > mitrata > >> > nahi rakhte.Kuchh baaton ke liye vyakaran mein na uljha jaye to > > shayad solve > >> > ho jaye . > >> > maine apne vichar rakh diye aap ka kya anuman hai iss ki intzar > > rahega. > >> > > >> > MAHAJAN > >> > > >> > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, kulbir bance kulbirbance@ wrote: > >> > > >> >> kulbir bance kulbirbance@ > >> >> LK discussion group Re: Could you please help me > > understand? > >> >> > >> >> Saturday, October 3, 2009, 5:30 AM > >> >> Guruji, > >> >> > >> >> Thanks for taking out that much time for this topic. I > >> >> have > >> >> learnt some valuable leads regarding aspects, which > >> >> otherwise would > >> >> have remained unnoticed. > >> >> > >> >> Regards. > >> >> > >> >> Kulbir > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On 10/3/09, Pandit Bhooshan Priya @ > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > Dear Kulbir ji, > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > You have said: > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > This reference is only in the context that the planet > >> >> which > >> >> > is exalted in any house gets debilitated in its 7th > >> >> house. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > Then wouldn’t you consider venus exalted in the > >> >> 12th house > >> >> > aspecting the 6th house of its debility. If yes, then > >> >> wouldn’t it > >> >> > be an example of reverse aspect? > >> >> > > >> >> > How about Mars, exalted in the 10th and debilitated in > >> >> the 4th, or the > >> >> > Jupiter the other way round. This axiom will be true > >> >> for all planets > >> >> > only if the reverse aspect is also taken into > >> >> consideration. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > Now, as you have asked, I quote an example of reverse > >> >> aspect from the > >> >> > 1952 urdu edition: > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > Page 952 ; 1952 urdu edition: > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > Khana # 4 : Chandra ka ghar hai /� is ghar ko > >> >> khana 10 ke grah 100 > >> >> > feesadi nazar se dekhate hain /� khana 10 ka > >> >> brahaspati nek nazar > >> >> > rakhega / > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > Now the Jupiter placed in the 10th is in debility > >> >> house. The reverse > >> >> > aspect of the Jupiter on the 4th will be nek ‘ > >> >> nek nazar > >> >> > rakhega’. This statement also breaks the myth > >> >> that baad ke grah > >> >> > pahale gharon ko nahi dekhate. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > As per your own statement, I hope this topic is now > >> >> “resolved > >> >> > beyond doubt.�� > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > God bless you > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > Bhooshan Priya > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > , > >> >> kulbir bance > >> >> > kulbirbance@ wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Guruji, > >> >> >> > >> >> >> This refferance is only in the context that the > >> >> planet which > >> >> >> is exalted in any house gets deblitated in its 7th > >> >> house. In > >> >> >> lalkitab the aspect of 1 to 6 to 7 to 12 are > >> >> considered. Exception of > >> >> >> 2nd house where 8th house aspects 2nd. Saturn in 6 > >> >> can aspect 2nd. Sun > >> >> >> and Moon cast aspect upon 5th from 9th. Saturn in > >> >> 10 and mercury in 12 > >> >> >> have special aspects. The detailed explanation of > >> >> planets in various > >> >> >> houses proves this principle. It would be very > >> >> kind of you if you can > >> >> >> quote any planet which gets affected by the > >> >> reverse aspect. Then this > >> >> >> topic will be resolved beyond doubt. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Regards . > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Kulbir > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> On 10/3/09, Pandit Bhooshan Priya > >> >> @ wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Dear Kulbir ji, > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > The aam halat drishti is also known as > >> >> ‘apne se satve ko > >> >> >> > dekhana’. This is a universally > >> >> accepted drishti in all > >> >> > paddhatis > >> >> >> > of astrology world over. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Now let me quote the relevant passage from > >> >> the Lal Kitab for this: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > 100 feesadi aur apane se baad ke satve ko > >> >> dekhane ka farq > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > 100 feesadi wala khana apane se baad ke khane > >> >> mein doodh mein khaand > >> >> >> > ki tarah apana asar aise ka vaisa hi mila > >> >> deta hai / magar apane se > >> >> >> > saatve wala apane se baad ke ghar ke asar ko > >> >> ulta kar deta hai / > >> >> > goya > >> >> >> > doodh ka bartan hi zahreela kar diya hai / > >> >> dono halaton mein drishti > >> >> > ka > >> >> >> > asar to 100 feesadi hota hai [ page 107 ; > >> >> 1952 urdu edition] > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > { the original urdu passage has been > >> >> uploaded} > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > It means that the Kendra houses, 1,4,7 and 10 > >> >> [ known as 100feesadi > >> >> > wale > >> >> >> > khane] have an aspect which assimilates like > >> >> sugar in the milk. The > >> >> > rest > >> >> >> > of the houses fall under the category of > >> >> ‘apane se baad ke > >> >> > satve > >> >> >> > ghar’. The drishti in both the cases > >> >> is 100 %. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > I was talking of the apane se baad ka satvan > >> >> ghar drishti when > >> >> > trying to > >> >> >> > understand the sun/saturn placements in 6/12 > >> >> houses. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Three uploads: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > [a] Page 107 quoted above > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > As desired by you the page showing > >> >> diagram ‘ aam halat > >> >> > number > >> >> >> > 1’ with transliteration has also been > >> >> uploaded.[ page 102; > >> >> > 1952 > >> >> >> > urdu edition] > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > [c] Another table showing the Aam halat > >> >> drishti has also been > >> >> > uploaded.[ > >> >> >> > page 112; 1952 urdu edition] > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > God bless you, > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Bhooshan Priya > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > , > >> >> kulbir bance > >> >> >> > kulbirbance@ wrote: > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Guruji, > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Kindly have a look at diagram under topic > >> >> Grah Drishti, Aam > >> >> >> >> haalat no.1 the arrow from 6th to 12th is > >> >> there but no arrow from > >> >> > 12 > >> >> >> >> to 6th. 2ndly a table is there which has > >> >> 2 columns 1st the house > >> >> > from > >> >> >> >> which arrow starts and 2nd where it ends. > >> >> Here also 6 - 12 is there > >> >> >> >> but no 12 - 6. Next Ulte ghar (aam haalat > >> >> no. 2) explains the whole > >> >> >> >> case in detail. The table you are quoting > >> >> shows direct and reverse > >> >> >> >> aspect on every house in 1-7 position. > >> >> That too 100%. Secondly the > >> >> >> >> concept of percentage/quantum is not > >> >> explained thirdly aspecting > >> >> >> >> example of saturn and sun in 6-12 > >> >> explains it beyond doubt. Kindly > >> >> >> >> upload the Grah drishti aam haalat no.1 > >> >> diagram alongwith > >> >> >> >> transliteration and ulte ghar aam haalat > >> >> no.2 and grahon ki baham > >> >> >> >> drishti v rashiyon se talook also. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Regards. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Kulbir. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> On 10/2/09, Pandit Bhooshan Priya > >> >> @ wrote: > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > Dear Kulbir ji, > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > I too believed in this axiom till I > >> >> saw the drishti diagram on > >> >> > page > >> >> >> > 115 > >> >> >> >> > of the 1952 urdu edition. In the > >> >> diagram for aam haalat [ under > >> >> >> > normal > >> >> >> >> > circumstances] it is shown that the > >> >> 6th aspects the 12th and > >> >> >> > similarly > >> >> >> >> > the 12th also aspects the 6th. The > >> >> page has been uploaded in the > >> >> >> > file > >> >> >> >> > section for you to see. I am also > >> >> providing the transliteration > >> >> > of > >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> >> > urdu script. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > Have a look at the diagram. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > Aam Haalat > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > is halat mein baithe huye grahon ki > >> >> vahi drishti vagairah ki > >> >> > halat > >> >> >> > hogi > >> >> >> >> > jo ki aam halat mein hua karti hai; > >> >> yani 1,7,4,10 ya 5,9,3,11 > >> >> >> > vagairah > >> >> >> >> > vagairah. Ab vahami dosti dushmani > >> >> ka usool qayam rahega. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > God bless you. > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > Bhooshan Priya > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > , > >> >> kulbir bance > >> >> >> >> > kulbirbance@ wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> Guruji, > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> the book says '' chatta 12 ko > >> >> dekhta hai magar 12 van chatte > >> >> >> >> >> me apna asar nahin daal sakta > >> >> sivaye khanna no. 12 ke budh ke''. > >> >> > So > >> >> >> >> >> how can sun of 12 cast aspect > >> >> upon saturn in 6th. > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> regards. > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> Kulbir > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> On 10/2/09, Pandit Bhooshan > >> >> Priya @ wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Kulbir ji, > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > In this context the > >> >> karkatwa remains the same i.e. grahasth > >> >> > sukh > >> >> >> > for > >> >> >> >> > both > >> >> >> >> >> > the situations and the > >> >> results differ. > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > Going deeper into the > >> >> analysis, may be just loud thinking on > >> >> > my > >> >> >> >> > part, but > >> >> >> >> >> > then this is how > >> >> inquisitive research proceeds. > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > Sun [venus+mercury] from > >> >> the 6th aspecting Saturn > >> >> > [venus+Jupiter] > >> >> >> > in > >> >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> >> >> > 12th. > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > The venus component will be > >> >> aspecting its exaltation house and > >> >> >> > hence > >> >> >> >> > should > >> >> >> >> >> > have a positive aspect [ > >> >> Ref: page 109 line # 17 onwards; 1952 > >> >> >> > urdu > >> >> >> >> > ed] on > >> >> >> >> >> > its friend Saturn in the > >> >> house representing ‘shayya > >> >> >> >> > sukh’. This aspect > >> >> >> >> >> > of venus component on > >> >> Saturn [which includes a venus component > >> >> > in > >> >> >> >> > the house > >> >> >> >> >> > of exaltation] should not > >> >> harm the significations of Venus; > >> >> > but > >> >> >> > as > >> >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> >> >> > result shows, it does. > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > Where as in the reverse > >> >> situation, sun in the 12th aspecting > >> >> >> > Saturn > >> >> >> >> > in the > >> >> >> >> >> > 6th, for the same karkatwa > >> >> i.e. grahasth sukh the same venus > >> >> >> >> > component of > >> >> >> >> >> > the sun will be aspecting > >> >> its house of debility and could > >> >> >> > possibly > >> >> >> >> > adversely > >> >> >> >> >> > affect the Saturn; but as > >> >> the result shows, it doesn’t. > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > Although the book does > >> >> accept that the venus will be > >> >> >> >> > ‘raddi’, probably > >> >> >> >> >> > because the venus component > >> >> of the sun will aspect into > >> >> > debility > >> >> >> >> > onto the > >> >> >> >> >> > venus component of Saturn > >> >> which itself will be in the house of > >> >> >> >> > debility. > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > May be I am trying to read > >> >> a bit too much into it, which I > >> >> >> >> > shouldn’t be > >> >> >> >> >> > doing. Sorry to have > >> >> bothered you all with my wild musings. I > >> >> > am > >> >> >> > so > >> >> >> >> > deeply > >> >> >> >> >> > involved in the book that I > >> >> possibly couldn’t help. > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > God bless you, > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > Bhooshan Priya > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > , > >> >> kulbir bance > >> >> >> >> > kulbirbance@ > >> >> >> >> >> > wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Guruji, > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> The aspect is from 6th > >> >> to 12th. End results are expected in > >> >> >> >> >> >> 12th. Both houses have > >> >> different nature regarding ownership, > >> >> >> >> >> >> exaltation, > >> >> deblitation, place in kaal purash kundali, > >> >> >> > karakakatwas > >> >> >> >> >> >> items, so it is but > >> >> natural that combination resulting from > >> >> > 1/4 > >> >> >> >> > aspect > >> >> >> >> >> >> of sun of 6th house and > >> >> saturn in 12th house will be > >> >> > different > >> >> >> > from > >> >> >> >> >> >> combination of > >> >> 1/4aspect of saturn of 6th and sun in 12th. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Regards . > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Kulbir. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10/2/09, Pandit > >> >> Bhooshan Priya @ wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Kulbir ji, > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Yes, that sounds > >> >> logical and makes sense. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > It is a well > >> >> accepted axiom of the Lal Kitab that when the > >> >> > Sun > >> >> >> >> > aspects > >> >> >> >> >> >> > saturn it is the > >> >> significations of Venus which get > >> >> > adversely > >> >> >> >> > affected > >> >> >> >> >> >> > [scapegoat > >> >> concept]. > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > The dichotomy > >> >> arose because whether the sun is placed in > >> >> > the > >> >> >> > 6th > >> >> >> >> > and > >> >> >> >> >> >> > aspects > >> >> >> >> >> >> > the Saturn in the > >> >> 12th, or the sun placed in the 12th and > >> >> >> > aspects > >> >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> >> >> >> > saturn > >> >> >> >> >> >> > in the 6th, the > >> >> results should have been similar. If the > >> >> >> > results > >> >> >> >> > get > >> >> >> >> >> >> > modified then > >> >> why? > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > God bless you, > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Bhooshan Priya > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > , > >> >> kulbir bance > >> >> >> >> > <kulbirbance@> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Guruji, > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 1941 page 172 > >> >> says that by defult saturn in 12th house > >> >> > grants > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> immunity from > >> >> rahu ketu and mercury, the matrimonial bliss > >> >> > is > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> exclusively > >> >> subject to quantum of darkness of saturn. Sun > >> >> > in > >> >> >> > 6th > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> reduces the > >> >> darkness of Saturn. This could be one of > >> >> > possible > >> >> >> >> > reasons. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 2ndly for > >> >> saturn in 6th house page 163 has that the > >> >> > presence > >> >> >> > of > >> >> >> >> > sun in > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 12th; saturn > >> >> comes under pledge that it will cause no > >> >> > adverse > >> >> >> >> > effects. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 3rdly House no > >> >> 6 has 1/4th aspect on house no 12. 1/4th > >> >> >> > darkness > >> >> >> >> > in > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> fact helps sun > >> >> with its relation with venus ref. Page 89 > >> >> > trik > >> >> >> >> > bhavon > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ki gatha- the > >> >> native with sun in 12 should have a spouse > >> >> > that > >> >> >> >> > has > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> least traits > >> >> of saturn. but this very 1/4 light of sun > >> >> > from > >> >> >> > 6th > >> >> >> >> > to 12 > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> th can cause > >> >> serious trouble for saturn in 12th thereby > >> >> >> > damaging > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> results of > >> >> venus. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Regards. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Kulbir > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 9/30/09, > >> >> Pandit Bhooshan Priya <@> > >> >> > wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Lal > >> >> Kitab Scholars, > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > [ Pt. > >> >> Umesh Sharma ji, Vipin Shukla ji, Kulbir ji , > >> >> > Mahajan > >> >> >> >> > ji, S > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Leekha > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ji, > >> >> Kapatjal ji, Anand jotish ji,] > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Could you > >> >> please help me understand the following > >> >> >> > dichotomy? > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > If the > >> >> Sun is placed in the 6th house and the Saturn is > >> >> >> > placed > >> >> >> >> > in the > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > 12th > >> >> house the book says: page 334 ;note # 4; 1952 urdu > >> >> >> >> > edition > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > “ > >> >> stree bhaag aur khud stree barbad ho�� > >> >> >> >> > [shanishchar # 12 > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ] > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Where as > >> >> if the Sun is placed in the 12th and the Saturn > >> >> > in > >> >> >> >> > the 6th > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > book says > >> >> : page 355 ; 1952 urdu edition > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > “ > >> >> ab shukra { grahast stree}barbad na hoga balki > >> >> >> > shukra > >> >> >> >> > raddi > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > hote huye > >> >> bhi nek aur uttam phal dega�� [ > >> >> >> > shanishchar # > >> >> >> >> > 6 ] > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> Therefore: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > [a] Why > >> >> should this combination affect, either way, > >> >> >> > grahasth > >> >> >> >> > and > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > stree? > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > What > >> >> could be the logic for this reversal of results > >> >> >> > when > >> >> >> >> > the same > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > two > >> >> planets, sun and Saturn, are involved? > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > [c] In > >> >> either case the two planets will be associated > >> >> >> > through > >> >> >> >> > aspect, > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > and still > >> >> give different results for the same area of > >> >> > life > >> >> >> >> > i.e. > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > grahast > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > and > >> >> stree. Why? > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > With > >> >> respect to you all > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Bhooshan > >> >> Priya > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> --- > >> >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Respected Leekha ji, I really appreciate this. It shows your command over the subject. Keep it up. Lots of respect. Kulbir On 10/21/09, sleekhas <sleekhas wrote: > dear kulbir ji, > > the theory is very simply, > > this story is of survival of fittest, > > sun aspects saturn (shuker barbad) > > because saturn is son(putter) of sun(suraj) and it has tendency of passing > of buckets, because it was king of night (andherey ka raja-refer to prarembh > of book) before the start of universe there was dark every where (shani ka > samarajey) and the same saturn has given his eye to shuker with which shuker > has started creating jhagda (quarrel)every where. > > so whenever sun aspects saturn, where sun is strong and saturn is week it > will effect the phal of shuker, because baap ney baitey ka lihaaz kiya > > i) sun house no 1 and saturn house no 8 (istri pey istri marti jayey) > > on other hand when saturn aspects(koo drishti) sun, shuker will be > benifitted, because saturn(beta) does not give any lihaaz to its father(sun) > > regards > > > > > > > , kulbir bance <kulbirbance > wrote: >> >> Respected Vishal ji, >> >> All these points have been discussed at length >> in the preceeding messages on this topic. When we talk of friendship, >> enemity, aspects, characteristics of houses and planets therein, all >> these are included in grammar. >> >> I just answered mahajan ji's dictum ''kuch baaton ke liye vyakaran me na >> uljha jaye''. >> >> Both your goodself and mahajan ji are explaning it with rules of grammar >> only. >> >> Regards. >> >> Kulbir. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10/21/09, vishalastrologer <vishalastrologer wrote: >> > >> > >> > , kulbir bance >> > <kulbirbance@> wrote: >> >> >> >> Respected Mahajan ji, >> >> >> >> Vyakaran ki zaroorat kyon padi ? ----- >> >> >> >> ''Suraj Shani khanna no 12. Shani ravi na jhagda karte - nahi shukar >> > khud manda ho, asar waqt par umda hote - mard aurat sab sukhiya ho. Ab >> > dono hi grahon ka uttam v umda phal hoga ; balki shukkar bhi manda na >> > hoga.'' >> >> >> >> aapne sirf suraj aur shani ka uch shukar ke ghar ka asar likh >> >> diya jo kitab me uparlikhat banta hai. Par sooraj 6 mein baith kar >> >> shani 12 mein aa mile to baat bilkul ulat ho jati hai. >> >> >> >> Ab 2 baatein hain >> >> >> >> 1. Sooraj 6 mein aisa kya special hai. >> >> >> >> 2. sooraj 6 ka phal 12 ke shani par aakhir padta kaise hai? >> >> >> >> Agar aap yeh vyakaran ke bagair samjha dein to badi meharbani hogi. >> >> >> >> >> >> Regards. >> >> >> >> Kulbir. >> >> >> >> Kulbir ji, >> > >> > aap ki pehli baat sooraj 6 mein aisa kya special >> > hai.is baat ko apni samajh se kehne ki koshish karta hu.sooraj 6 ka >> > shukar se direct way se to koi sambandh nahi.magar suraj 6 ka 12 ko >> > dekhta hai.aur usi samay 12th mein shani ho to shukar barbad hoga.kyo ki >> > vyakaran mein hi yeh baat clear hai magar iske ulat jab shani, suraj ko >> > dekhe to to shukar aabad hoga.kyoki 6th hi 12 ko dekh sakta hai,12th >> > bhav 6th ko nahi.budh & shani ki special drishti ko chhod kar.is baat ko >> > yadi sidhe tarike se samjhe to " SHUKAR SHANI KI MASHOOK HAI ,JAB 12TH >> > GHAR KE SHANI PAR SURAJ KI DRISHTI HOGI SHANI KI ANKHEN TO >> > CHUNDIYA(KUCHH NA DIKHAYEE DENA)HI JAYEGI JAHIR HAI MASHOOKA PAR DRISHTI >> > NA HO TO USKE KADAM TO DAGMAGA HI JAYEGE.YAHI KARAN HO SAKTA HAI SHUKAR >> > KE KHRAB HONE KA. >> > >> > Regards >> > >> > Kunwar Vishal >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10/19/09, Hemant Mohan heartzthief54@ wrote: >> >> > Kulbir jee, >> >> > >> >> > Agar sab baaton ko bhool kar sirf ek hee baat ko sahmne rakh kar >> > dekhe to >> >> > shayad iss baat ka jawab mil jaye ki kyon Suraj khana no 6 se shani >> > 12 ko >> >> > dekhne par stree bhag aur stree sukh kharab(barbad) hota hai >> >> > >> >> > SURAJ DEKHE SHANI KO TO SHUKAR BARBAD >> >> > >> >> > shani dekhe suraj ko abb shukar barbad nahi hoga.magar raj darbar >> > manda ho >> >> > sakta hai. >> >> > >> >> > Abb agar SURAJ khana no 6 se khana no 12 mein bithe shani ko dekhega >> > to >> >> > shani ke saath shukar(jiska ki khana no 12 par pura adhikar hai unch >> > hai >> >> > shukar )ko bhee suraj barbad kar dega kyonki dono hee suraj ke saath >> > mitrata >> >> > nahi rakhte.Kuchh baaton ke liye vyakaran mein na uljha jaye to >> > shayad solve >> >> > ho jaye . >> >> > maine apne vichar rakh diye aap ka kya anuman hai iss ki intzar >> > rahega. >> >> > >> >> > MAHAJAN >> >> > >> >> > --- On Sat, 10/3/09, kulbir bance kulbirbance@ wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> kulbir bance kulbirbance@ >> >> >> LK discussion group Re: Could you please help me >> > understand? >> >> >> >> >> >> Saturday, October 3, 2009, 5:30 AM >> >> >> Guruji, >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks for taking out that much time for this topic. I >> >> >> have >> >> >> learnt some valuable leads regarding aspects, which >> >> >> otherwise would >> >> >> have remained unnoticed. >> >> >> >> >> >> Regards. >> >> >> >> >> >> Kulbir >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10/3/09, Pandit Bhooshan Priya @ >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Dear Kulbir ji, >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > You have said: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > This reference is only in the context that the planet >> >> >> which >> >> >> > is exalted in any house gets debilitated in its 7th >> >> >> house. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Then wouldn’t you consider venus exalted in the >> >> >> 12th house >> >> >> > aspecting the 6th house of its debility. If yes, then >> >> >> wouldn’t it >> >> >> > be an example of reverse aspect? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > How about Mars, exalted in the 10th and debilitated in >> >> >> the 4th, or the >> >> >> > Jupiter the other way round. This axiom will be true >> >> >> for all planets >> >> >> > only if the reverse aspect is also taken into >> >> >> consideration. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Now, as you have asked, I quote an example of reverse >> >> >> aspect from the >> >> >> > 1952 urdu edition: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Page 952 ; 1952 urdu edition: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Khana # 4 : Chandra ka ghar hai /� is ghar ko >> >> >> khana 10 ke grah 100 >> >> >> > feesadi nazar se dekhate hain /� khana 10 ka >> >> >> brahaspati nek nazar >> >> >> > rakhega / >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Now the Jupiter placed in the 10th is in debility >> >> >> house. The reverse >> >> >> > aspect of the Jupiter on the 4th will be nek ‘ >> >> >> nek nazar >> >> >> > rakhega’. This statement also breaks the myth >> >> >> that baad ke grah >> >> >> > pahale gharon ko nahi dekhate. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > As per your own statement, I hope this topic is now >> >> >> “resolved >> >> >> > beyond doubt.�� >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > God bless you >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Bhooshan Priya >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > , >> >> >> kulbir bance >> >> >> > kulbirbance@ wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Guruji, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> This refferance is only in the context that the >> >> >> planet which >> >> >> >> is exalted in any house gets deblitated in its 7th >> >> >> house. In >> >> >> >> lalkitab the aspect of 1 to 6 to 7 to 12 are >> >> >> considered. Exception of >> >> >> >> 2nd house where 8th house aspects 2nd. Saturn in 6 >> >> >> can aspect 2nd. Sun >> >> >> >> and Moon cast aspect upon 5th from 9th. Saturn in >> >> >> 10 and mercury in 12 >> >> >> >> have special aspects. The detailed explanation of >> >> >> planets in various >> >> >> >> houses proves this principle. It would be very >> >> >> kind of you if you can >> >> >> >> quote any planet which gets affected by the >> >> >> reverse aspect. Then this >> >> >> >> topic will be resolved beyond doubt. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Regards . >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Kulbir >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10/3/09, Pandit Bhooshan Priya >> >> >> @ wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Dear Kulbir ji, >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > The aam halat drishti is also known as >> >> >> ‘apne se satve ko >> >> >> >> > dekhana’. This is a universally >> >> >> accepted drishti in all >> >> >> > paddhatis >> >> >> >> > of astrology world over. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Now let me quote the relevant passage from >> >> >> the Lal Kitab for this: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > 100 feesadi aur apane se baad ke satve ko >> >> >> dekhane ka farq >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > 100 feesadi wala khana apane se baad ke khane >> >> >> mein doodh mein khaand >> >> >> >> > ki tarah apana asar aise ka vaisa hi mila >> >> >> deta hai / magar apane se >> >> >> >> > saatve wala apane se baad ke ghar ke asar ko >> >> >> ulta kar deta hai / >> >> >> > goya >> >> >> >> > doodh ka bartan hi zahreela kar diya hai / >> >> >> dono halaton mein drishti >> >> >> > ka >> >> >> >> > asar to 100 feesadi hota hai [ page 107 ; >> >> >> 1952 urdu edition] >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > { the original urdu passage has been >> >> >> uploaded} >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > It means that the Kendra houses, 1,4,7 and 10 >> >> >> [ known as 100feesadi >> >> >> > wale >> >> >> >> > khane] have an aspect which assimilates like >> >> >> sugar in the milk. The >> >> >> > rest >> >> >> >> > of the houses fall under the category of >> >> >> ‘apane se baad ke >> >> >> > satve >> >> >> >> > ghar’. The drishti in both the cases >> >> >> is 100 %. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > I was talking of the apane se baad ka satvan >> >> >> ghar drishti when >> >> >> > trying to >> >> >> >> > understand the sun/saturn placements in 6/12 >> >> >> houses. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Three uploads: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > [a] Page 107 quoted above >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > As desired by you the page showing >> >> >> diagram ‘ aam halat >> >> >> > number >> >> >> >> > 1’ with transliteration has also been >> >> >> uploaded.[ page 102; >> >> >> > 1952 >> >> >> >> > urdu edition] >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > [c] Another table showing the Aam halat >> >> >> drishti has also been >> >> >> > uploaded.[ >> >> >> >> > page 112; 1952 urdu edition] >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > God bless you, >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Bhooshan Priya >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > , >> >> >> kulbir bance >> >> >> >> > kulbirbance@ wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Guruji, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Kindly have a look at diagram under topic >> >> >> Grah Drishti, Aam >> >> >> >> >> haalat no.1 the arrow from 6th to 12th is >> >> >> there but no arrow from >> >> >> > 12 >> >> >> >> >> to 6th. 2ndly a table is there which has >> >> >> 2 columns 1st the house >> >> >> > from >> >> >> >> >> which arrow starts and 2nd where it ends. >> >> >> Here also 6 - 12 is there >> >> >> >> >> but no 12 - 6. Next Ulte ghar (aam haalat >> >> >> no. 2) explains the whole >> >> >> >> >> case in detail. The table you are quoting >> >> >> shows direct and reverse >> >> >> >> >> aspect on every house in 1-7 position. >> >> >> That too 100%. Secondly the >> >> >> >> >> concept of percentage/quantum is not >> >> >> explained thirdly aspecting >> >> >> >> >> example of saturn and sun in 6-12 >> >> >> explains it beyond doubt. Kindly >> >> >> >> >> upload the Grah drishti aam haalat no.1 >> >> >> diagram alongwith >> >> >> >> >> transliteration and ulte ghar aam haalat >> >> >> no.2 and grahon ki baham >> >> >> >> >> drishti v rashiyon se talook also. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Regards. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Kulbir. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10/2/09, Pandit Bhooshan Priya >> >> >> @ wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Kulbir ji, >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > I too believed in this axiom till I >> >> >> saw the drishti diagram on >> >> >> > page >> >> >> >> > 115 >> >> >> >> >> > of the 1952 urdu edition. In the >> >> >> diagram for aam haalat [ under >> >> >> >> > normal >> >> >> >> >> > circumstances] it is shown that the >> >> >> 6th aspects the 12th and >> >> >> >> > similarly >> >> >> >> >> > the 12th also aspects the 6th. The >> >> >> page has been uploaded in the >> >> >> >> > file >> >> >> >> >> > section for you to see. I am also >> >> >> providing the transliteration >> >> >> > of >> >> >> >> > the >> >> >> >> >> > urdu script. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > Have a look at the diagram. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > Aam Haalat >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > is halat mein baithe huye grahon ki >> >> >> vahi drishti vagairah ki >> >> >> > halat >> >> >> >> > hogi >> >> >> >> >> > jo ki aam halat mein hua karti hai; >> >> >> yani 1,7,4,10 ya 5,9,3,11 >> >> >> >> > vagairah >> >> >> >> >> > vagairah. Ab vahami dosti dushmani >> >> >> ka usool qayam rahega. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > God bless you. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > Bhooshan Priya >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > , >> >> >> kulbir bance >> >> >> >> >> > kulbirbance@ wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Guruji, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> the book says '' chatta 12 ko >> >> >> dekhta hai magar 12 van chatte >> >> >> >> >> >> me apna asar nahin daal sakta >> >> >> sivaye khanna no. 12 ke budh ke''. >> >> >> > So >> >> >> >> >> >> how can sun of 12 cast aspect >> >> >> upon saturn in 6th. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> regards. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Kulbir >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10/2/09, Pandit Bhooshan >> >> >> Priya @ wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Kulbir ji, >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > In this context the >> >> >> karkatwa remains the same i.e. grahasth >> >> >> > sukh >> >> >> >> > for >> >> >> >> >> > both >> >> >> >> >> >> > the situations and the >> >> >> results differ. >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Going deeper into the >> >> >> analysis, may be just loud thinking on >> >> >> > my >> >> >> >> >> > part, but >> >> >> >> >> >> > then this is how >> >> >> inquisitive research proceeds. >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Sun [venus+mercury] from >> >> >> the 6th aspecting Saturn >> >> >> > [venus+Jupiter] >> >> >> >> > in >> >> >> >> >> > the >> >> >> >> >> >> > 12th. >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > The venus component will be >> >> >> aspecting its exaltation house and >> >> >> >> > hence >> >> >> >> >> > should >> >> >> >> >> >> > have a positive aspect [ >> >> >> Ref: page 109 line # 17 onwards; 1952 >> >> >> >> > urdu >> >> >> >> >> > ed] on >> >> >> >> >> >> > its friend Saturn in the >> >> >> house representing ‘shayya >> >> >> >> >> > sukh’. This aspect >> >> >> >> >> >> > of venus component on >> >> >> Saturn [which includes a venus component >> >> >> > in >> >> >> >> >> > the house >> >> >> >> >> >> > of exaltation] should not >> >> >> harm the significations of Venus; >> >> >> > but >> >> >> >> > as >> >> >> >> >> > the >> >> >> >> >> >> > result shows, it does. >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Where as in the reverse >> >> >> situation, sun in the 12th aspecting >> >> >> >> > Saturn >> >> >> >> >> > in the >> >> >> >> >> >> > 6th, for the same karkatwa >> >> >> i.e. grahasth sukh the same venus >> >> >> >> >> > component of >> >> >> >> >> >> > the sun will be aspecting >> >> >> its house of debility and could >> >> >> >> > possibly >> >> >> >> >> > adversely >> >> >> >> >> >> > affect the Saturn; but as >> >> >> the result shows, it doesn’t. >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Although the book does >> >> >> accept that the venus will be >> >> >> >> >> > ‘raddi’, probably >> >> >> >> >> >> > because the venus component >> >> >> of the sun will aspect into >> >> >> > debility >> >> >> >> >> > onto the >> >> >> >> >> >> > venus component of Saturn >> >> >> which itself will be in the house of >> >> >> >> >> > debility. >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > May be I am trying to read >> >> >> a bit too much into it, which I >> >> >> >> >> > shouldn’t be >> >> >> >> >> >> > doing. Sorry to have >> >> >> bothered you all with my wild musings. I >> >> >> > am >> >> >> >> > so >> >> >> >> >> > deeply >> >> >> >> >> >> > involved in the book that I >> >> >> possibly couldn’t help. >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > God bless you, >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Bhooshan Priya >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > , >> >> >> kulbir bance >> >> >> >> >> > kulbirbance@ >> >> >> >> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Guruji, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The aspect is from 6th >> >> >> to 12th. End results are expected in >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 12th. Both houses have >> >> >> different nature regarding ownership, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> exaltation, >> >> >> deblitation, place in kaal purash kundali, >> >> >> >> > karakakatwas >> >> >> >> >> >> >> items, so it is but >> >> >> natural that combination resulting from >> >> >> > 1/4 >> >> >> >> >> > aspect >> >> >> >> >> >> >> of sun of 6th house and >> >> >> saturn in 12th house will be >> >> >> > different >> >> >> >> > from >> >> >> >> >> >> >> combination of >> >> >> 1/4aspect of saturn of 6th and sun in 12th. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Regards . >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Kulbir. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10/2/09, Pandit >> >> >> Bhooshan Priya @ wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Kulbir ji, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Yes, that sounds >> >> >> logical and makes sense. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > It is a well >> >> >> accepted axiom of the Lal Kitab that when the >> >> >> > Sun >> >> >> >> >> > aspects >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > saturn it is the >> >> >> significations of Venus which get >> >> >> > adversely >> >> >> >> >> > affected >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > [scapegoat >> >> >> concept]. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > The dichotomy >> >> >> arose because whether the sun is placed in >> >> >> > the >> >> >> >> > 6th >> >> >> >> >> > and >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > aspects >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > the Saturn in the >> >> >> 12th, or the sun placed in the 12th and >> >> >> >> > aspects >> >> >> >> >> > the >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > saturn >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > in the 6th, the >> >> >> results should have been similar. If the >> >> >> >> > results >> >> >> >> >> > get >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > modified then >> >> >> why? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > God bless you, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Bhooshan Priya >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > , >> >> >> kulbir bance >> >> >> >> >> > <kulbirbance@> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Guruji, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 1941 page 172 >> >> >> says that by defult saturn in 12th house >> >> >> > grants >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> immunity from >> >> >> rahu ketu and mercury, the matrimonial bliss >> >> >> > is >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> exclusively >> >> >> subject to quantum of darkness of saturn. Sun >> >> >> > in >> >> >> >> > 6th >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> reduces the >> >> >> darkness of Saturn. This could be one of >> >> >> > possible >> >> >> >> >> > reasons. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 2ndly for >> >> >> saturn in 6th house page 163 has that the >> >> >> > presence >> >> >> >> > of >> >> >> >> >> > sun in >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 12th; saturn >> >> >> comes under pledge that it will cause no >> >> >> > adverse >> >> >> >> >> > effects. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 3rdly House no >> >> >> 6 has 1/4th aspect on house no 12. 1/4th >> >> >> >> > darkness >> >> >> >> >> > in >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> fact helps sun >> >> >> with its relation with venus ref. Page 89 >> >> >> > trik >> >> >> >> >> > bhavon >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ki gatha- the >> >> >> native with sun in 12 should have a spouse >> >> >> > that >> >> >> >> >> > has >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> least traits >> >> >> of saturn. but this very 1/4 light of sun >> >> >> > from >> >> >> >> > 6th >> >> >> >> >> > to 12 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> th can cause >> >> >> serious trouble for saturn in 12th thereby >> >> >> >> > damaging >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> results of >> >> >> venus. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Regards. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Kulbir >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 9/30/09, >> >> >> Pandit Bhooshan Priya <@> >> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Lal >> >> >> Kitab Scholars, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > [ Pt. >> >> >> Umesh Sharma ji, Vipin Shukla ji, Kulbir ji , >> >> >> > Mahajan >> >> >> >> >> > ji, S >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Leekha >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ji, >> >> >> Kapatjal ji, Anand jotish ji,] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Could you >> >> >> please help me understand the following >> >> >> >> > dichotomy? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > If the >> >> >> Sun is placed in the 6th house and the Saturn is >> >> >> >> > placed >> >> >> >> >> > in the >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > 12th >> >> >> house the book says: page 334 ;note # 4; 1952 urdu >> >> >> >> >> > edition >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > “ >> >> >> stree bhaag aur khud stree barbad ho�� >> >> >> >> >> > [shanishchar # 12 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Where as >> >> >> if the Sun is placed in the 12th and the Saturn >> >> >> > in >> >> >> >> >> > the 6th >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > the >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > book says >> >> >> : page 355 ; 1952 urdu edition >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > “ >> >> >> ab shukra { grahast stree}barbad na hoga balki >> >> >> >> > shukra >> >> >> >> >> > raddi >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > hote huye >> >> >> bhi nek aur uttam phal dega�� [ >> >> >> >> > shanishchar # >> >> >> >> >> > 6 ] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> Therefore: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > [a] Why >> >> >> should this combination affect, either way, >> >> >> >> > grahasth >> >> >> >> >> > and >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > stree? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > What >> >> >> could be the logic for this reversal of results >> >> >> >> > when >> >> >> >> >> > the same >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > two >> >> >> planets, sun and Saturn, are involved? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > [c] In >> >> >> either case the two planets will be associated >> >> >> >> > through >> >> >> >> >> > aspect, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > and still >> >> >> give different results for the same area of >> >> >> > life >> >> >> >> >> > i.e. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > grahast >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > and >> >> >> stree. Why? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > With >> >> >> respect to you all >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Bhooshan >> >> >> Priya >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --- >> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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