Guest guest Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 Dear Kulbir ji and Anand ji, A very detailed explanation by Kulbir ji has already answered the indications of unexpected and sudden death along with the cause of death. The explanation is so well brought out that there is nothing left for me to add. With Saturn and the moon in the 7th house the Lal Kitab says that ` hathiyar se maut hogi', in other words an unnatural death was already predicted. The child committed suicide. The major question is : Why did the child commit suicide on November 22, 2009? Can we find some astrological indications for the time of event /death? For timing events the Vinshottari dasha can be the best tool When I looked at the vinshottari dasha of the child, he was going through mercury/ sun dasha when he committed suicide. Mercury is his Lagnesh and normally a dasha of Lagnesh does not lead to death unless the lagnesh is severely afflicted. Then I worked out the Lal Kitab dasha [35 saala chakra] to find out if it could indicate the timing of the event. The procedure to work out this Dasha system is entirely my own method which is still at the experimental stage. In the file section of the group [articles on LK grammar folder] there is an article on the rationale of this method and the procedure to work out the dasha Lal Kitab Dasha [35 year cycle] Moon = 12Pi32 [lahiri ayanansh] [ to work out the LK cycle at birth use the table given in the file section of the group in the folder `articles on LK grammar.'] Therefore at the time of birth: 1year 10months 10days of the rahu cycle were still left to be gone through. D M Y 21 – 8 – 1997 10 – 10 – 1 [rahu] -9 -------------- 22 – 6 – 1999 [rahu cycle ends] 0 – 0 - 3 [ketu] -15 --------------- 7 – 6 – 2002 [ketu cycle ends] 0 – 0 - 6 [jup] -30 --------------- 7 – 5 – 2008 [ Jupiter cycle ends] 0 – 0 - 2 [sun] -10 ----------------- 27 – 4 – 2010 [ sun cycle ends] The death occurred during the cycle of the Sun Now let us work out the antardasha [inter-cycle] within the cycle of the Sun. 7 – 5 – 2008 [cycle of sun begins] 0 – 8 - 0 [sun] -3 ------------- 4 – 1 – 2009 [ sun/sun ends] 0 – 8 - 0 [moon] -3 ------------- 1 – 9 – 2009 [ sun/moon ends] 0 – 8 – 0 [mars] -4 -------------- 27 – 4 – 2010 [sun/mars ends] The death occurred during the sun/mars cycle Let us work out the third stage cycle [pratyantar] 1- 9 – 2009 [sun/mars starts] 20 – 2 – 0 [mar] -1 ------------ 20 – 11 – 2009 [sun/mars/mars cycle ends] 20 – 2 – 0 [sat] -1 --------------- 9 – 2 – 2010 [sun/mars/Saturn cycle ends] Death occurred on 22-11-2009 Now let us find out the role of these planets in causing death. Sun is vyayesh [12th lord] placed in vayay sthan [12th] Mars is ashtmesh [8th lord] placed in marak sthan Saturn is shashthesh [6th lord] placed in marak sthan There are scores of Sanskrit shlok indicating death or death like condition [mrityu tulya kasht] during the dasha and the antardasha of the 6th,8th or 12th lords. During the dasha of the sun placed in the 12th `sthantsthan paribhramam vishkritam ragyo bhayam padruk' [ Dashaphal Darpan; ch 4 ; shlok 36] Wandering from place to place, fear of poison and the king, trouble in the legs. During the dasha of the Sun afflicted by Rahu and placed in the 12th [ in the kundali sun is afflicted by rahu and is placed in the 12th house.] jwarpeeda yashohanirbandhumitra virodhkrit pravaso rogvidwesho apmrityu bhayam bhavet [ ch 4 ; shlok 76] Fever, loss of fame, opposition from friends and family leaving the place of birth, disease, animosity, and untimely death could happen. For mars/mars dasha Shatrubhitih kalirghora sahasa jayate bhayam Raktasravo apmrityushch vidashashu swayam kujah [ch 23 ; shlok 29] Sudden and unexpected fear from the enemy, sever conflict, bleeding, untimely death could happen within its own mars antar. Give and take a couple of days; I believe that: death occurred during the LK cycle of Sun / Mars / Mars because : `mrityum mrityupateh karoti' [ ch 2;shlok 98] The dasha of the 8th lord can cause death. The Lal Kitab dasha/antardasha/pratyantar narrows down the time of event within a couple of days. God bless you, Bhooshan Priya , "kulbir" <kulbirbains wrote:>> Varun ji;> > The details are as follows :> > Boy> Date of birth : 21-8-1997> time : 9-30 am> Mysore.> > Death details> 22-11-2009 sunday> between 5-30 pm and 6-30 pm. ( exact time is not known)> > This young child has commited suicide by hanging> himself with a bath towel, in the hostel toilet> > The boy was staying with parents till last april. As he has failed in> exams , they have moved him to a boarding school, just 4 months ago\> > > the Varshaphala for 13th year is -> > 1) Saturn and Moon remain in the 7th in the Varshaphala.> 2) Venus remains in the 1st.> 3) Sun Mercury and Rahu in 4th> 5) Mars in 5th> 6) Jupiter in 11th> 7) Ketu in 6> > 1.Venus in 1st house make the native stubborn; inclined to take one sided decisions and remain adamant on them. Jupiter, Shani, sooraj mande- har taraf maut hi maut nazar aayegi, na sirf barbad balki doosre saathiyon ko bhi barbaad karne ke bhagya ka malik hoga. Saturn is malefic here on account of position of both rahu and ketu ahead of saturn in varshphal tewa.> > 2. ketu in 6th represents Khudpasandi- no thinking about others; about the result of his actions.> > 3. Moon and saturn in 7th give death due to severe psychological shock.> > these three planets of natal chart are repeating themselves in Varshphal , such repetition planets are said to give some nishani or some pronounced phal that year.> > Mars-5 -- remaining outside for long period will is not considered good- tera mehboob hi tere jahazon ke bede ki tabhai ka karan hoga.> > Jupiter -11 - Bina kafan ghar se bahar marega.> > Mercury and Rahu in 4th house indicate suicide.> > Sun and mercury in 4th indicate death by falling of horse. (has to be> interpreted differently in each case, does not necesarily mean horse, it's a metaphor.> > I have never come across such case in my life;> the varshphal phaladesh is very accurate but depressing.> Sorry for the poor soul and more for his family members> > Regards> Kulbir> > , "varun_trvd" varun_trvd@ wrote:> >> > Dear Kulbir bhai,> > > > I have read your excellent explanation on this. Could you please post that here also for every one to read.> > > > Regards,> > > > Varun Trivedi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "anand_jotish" <anand_jotish@> wrote:> > >> > > gurujan,> > > > > > In the AIA group a case has been posted where a 12 year old child committed suicide on 22-11-2009. Can we find out why and also why on that date. the child was born on 21-8-1997 at 9-30am in mysore.> > > shradha poorvak, Anand> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 sir bhooshan guru ji, apka abhari hun ki apne mere prashna ke uttar mein jyotishiya vidhi se ghatana ke samay ka sahi anuman lagaya. bhavishya mein bhi asha karta hun ki ap isi prakar mera marg darshan karte rahenge. bahut samman ke sath anand , " Pandit Bhooshan Priya " < wrote: > > > Dear Kulbir ji and Anand ji, > > > > > > A very detailed explanation by Kulbir ji has already answered the > indications of unexpected and sudden death along with the cause > > of death. The explanation is so well brought out that there is nothing > left for me to add. > > > > With Saturn and the moon in the 7th house the Lal Kitab says that ` > hathiyar se maut hogi', in other words an unnatural death was > already predicted. The child committed suicide. > > > > The major question is : > > > > Why did the child commit suicide on November 22, 2009? > > > > Can we find some astrological indications for the time of event /death? > > > > For timing events the Vinshottari dasha can be the best tool When I > looked at the vinshottari dasha of the child, he was going through > mercury/ sun dasha when he committed suicide. Mercury is his Lagnesh and > normally a dasha of Lagnesh does not lead to death unless the lagnesh is > severely afflicted. > > > > > > Then I worked out the Lal Kitab dasha [35 saala chakra] to find out if > it could indicate the timing of the event. > > > > The procedure to work out this Dasha system is entirely my own method > which is still at the experimental stage. In the file section of the > group [articles on LK grammar folder] there is an article on the > rationale of this method and the procedure to work out the dasha > > > > Lal Kitab Dasha [35 year cycle] > > > > Moon = 12Pi32 [lahiri ayanansh] > > > > [ to work out the LK cycle at birth use the table given in the file > section of the group in the folder `articles on LK grammar.'] > > > > Therefore at the time of birth: 1year 10months 10days of the rahu cycle > were still left to be gone through. > > > > D M Y > > 21 ? 8 ? 1997 > > 10 ? 10 ? 1 [rahu] > > -9 > > -------------- > > 22 ? 6 ? 1999 [rahu cycle ends] > > 0 ? 0 - 3 [ketu] > > -15 > > --------------- > > 7 ? 6 ? 2002 [ketu cycle ends] > > 0 ? 0 - 6 [jup] > > -30 > > --------------- > > 7 ? 5 ? 2008 [ Jupiter cycle ends] > > 0 ? 0 - 2 [sun] > > -10 > > ----------------- > > 27 ? 4 ? 2010 [ sun cycle ends] > > > > The death occurred during the cycle of the Sun > > > > Now let us work out the antardasha [inter-cycle] > > within the cycle of the Sun. > > > > 7 ? 5 ? 2008 [cycle of sun begins] > > 0 ? 8 - 0 [sun] > > -3 > > ------------- > > 4 ? 1 ? 2009 [ sun/sun ends] > > 0 ? 8 - 0 [moon] > > -3 > > ------------- > > 1 ? 9 ? 2009 [ sun/moon ends] > > 0 ? 8 ? 0 [mars] > > -4 > > -------------- > > 27 ? 4 ? 2010 [sun/mars ends] > > > > The death occurred during the sun/mars cycle > > > > Let us work out the third stage cycle [pratyantar] > > > > 1- 9 ? 2009 [sun/mars starts] > > 20 ? 2 ? 0 [mar] > > -1 > > ------------ > > 20 ? 11 ? 2009 [sun/mars/mars cycle ends] > > 20 ? 2 ? 0 [sat] > > -1 > > --------------- > > 9 ? 2 ? 2010 [sun/mars/Saturn cycle ends] > > > > Death occurred on 22-11-2009 > > > > > > Now let us find out the role of these planets in causing death. > > > > Sun is vyayesh [12th lord] placed in vayay sthan [12th] Mars is ashtmesh > [8th lord] placed in marak sthan Saturn is shashthesh [6th lord] placed > in marak sthan > > > > There are scores of Sanskrit shlok indicating death or death like > condition [mrityu tulya kasht] during the dasha and the antardasha of > the 6th,8th or 12th lords. > > > > During the dasha of the sun placed in the 12th > > > > `sthantsthan paribhramam vishkritam ragyo > > bhayam padruk' > > [ Dashaphal Darpan; ch 4 ; shlok 36] > > > > > > Wandering from place to place, fear of poison and the king, trouble in > the legs. > > > > During the dasha of the Sun afflicted by Rahu and placed in the 12th [ > in the kundali sun is afflicted by rahu and is placed in the 12th > house.] > > > > jwarpeeda yashohanirbandhumitra virodhkrit > > pravaso rogvidwesho apmrityu bhayam bhavet > > > > [ ch 4 ; shlok 76] > > > > Fever, loss of fame, opposition from friends and family leaving the > place of birth, disease, animosity, and untimely death could happen. > > > > For mars/mars dasha > > > > Shatrubhitih kalirghora sahasa jayate bhayam > > Raktasravo apmrityushch vidashashu swayam kujah > > > > [ch 23 ; shlok 29] > > > > Sudden and unexpected fear from the enemy, sever conflict, bleeding, > untimely death could happen within its own mars antar. > > > > Give and take a couple of days; I believe that: > > > > death occurred during the LK cycle of Sun / Mars / Mars > > > > because : > > > > `mrityum mrityupateh karoti' [ ch 2;shlok 98] > > > > The dasha of the 8th lord can cause death. > > > > The Lal Kitab dasha/antardasha/pratyantar narrows down the time of event > within a couple of days. > > > > God bless you, > > > > Bhooshan Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@> > wrote: > > > > Varun ji; > > > > The details are as follows : > > > > Boy > > Date of birth : 21-8-1997 > > time : 9-30 am > > Mysore. > > > > Death details > > 22-11-2009 sunday > > between 5-30 pm and 6-30 pm. ( exact time is not known) > > > > This young child has commited suicide by hanging > > himself with a bath towel, in the hostel toilet > > > > The boy was staying with parents till last april. As he has failed in > > exams , they have moved him to a boarding school, just 4 months ago\ > > > > > > the Varshaphala for 13th year is - > > > > 1) Saturn and Moon remain in the 7th in the Varshaphala. > > 2) Venus remains in the 1st. > > 3) Sun Mercury and Rahu in 4th > > 5) Mars in 5th > > 6) Jupiter in 11th > > 7) Ketu in 6 > > > > 1.Venus in 1st house make the native stubborn; inclined to take one > sided decisions and remain adamant on them. Jupiter, Shani, sooraj > mande- har taraf maut hi maut nazar aayegi, na sirf barbad balki doosre > saathiyon ko bhi barbaad karne ke bhagya ka malik hoga. Saturn is > malefic here on account of position of both rahu and ketu ahead of > saturn in varshphal tewa. > > > > 2. ketu in 6th represents Khudpasandi- no thinking about others; about > the result of his actions. > > > > 3. Moon and saturn in 7th give death due to severe psychological > shock. > > > > these three planets of natal chart are repeating themselves in > Varshphal , such repetition planets are said to give some nishani or > some pronounced phal that year. > > > > Mars-5 -- remaining outside for long period will is not considered > good- tera mehboob hi tere jahazon ke bede ki tabhai ka karan hoga. > > > > Jupiter -11 - Bina kafan ghar se bahar marega. > > > > Mercury and Rahu in 4th house indicate suicide. > > > > Sun and mercury in 4th indicate death by falling of horse. (has to be > > interpreted differently in each case, does not necesarily mean horse, > it's a metaphor. > > > > I have never come across such case in my life; > > the varshphal phaladesh is very accurate but depressing. > > Sorry for the poor soul and more for his family members > > > > Regards > > Kulbir > > > > , " varun_trvd " varun_trvd@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > > > I have read your excellent explanation on this. Could you please > post that here also for every one to read. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " anand_jotish " > <anand_jotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > gurujan, > > > > > > > > In the AIA group a case has been posted where a 12 year old child > committed suicide on 22-11-2009. Can we find out why and also why on > that date. the child was born on 21-8-1997 at 9-30am in mysore. > > > > shradha poorvak, Anand > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Respected Gurujis, Is it so bad to have Saturn and moon together ? In my horoscope I also have Sat & Moon in 12th house and some time (only in last one year some times negative thoughts do came in my mind). Please suggest regards, Ash , " anand_jotish " <anand_jotish wrote: > > sir bhooshan guru ji, > > apka abhari hun ki apne mere prashna ke uttar mein jyotishiya vidhi se ghatana ke samay ka sahi anuman lagaya. bhavishya mein bhi asha karta hun ki ap isi prakar mera marg darshan karte rahenge. bahut samman ke sath > anand > > > > > , " Pandit Bhooshan Priya " <@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji and Anand ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > A very detailed explanation by Kulbir ji has already answered the > > indications of unexpected and sudden death along with the cause > > > > of death. The explanation is so well brought out that there is nothing > > left for me to add. > > > > > > > > With Saturn and the moon in the 7th house the Lal Kitab says that ` > > hathiyar se maut hogi', in other words an unnatural death was > > already predicted. The child committed suicide. > > > > > > > > The major question is : > > > > > > > > Why did the child commit suicide on November 22, 2009? > > > > > > > > Can we find some astrological indications for the time of event /death? > > > > > > > > For timing events the Vinshottari dasha can be the best tool When I > > looked at the vinshottari dasha of the child, he was going through > > mercury/ sun dasha when he committed suicide. Mercury is his Lagnesh and > > normally a dasha of Lagnesh does not lead to death unless the lagnesh is > > severely afflicted. > > > > > > > > > > > > Then I worked out the Lal Kitab dasha [35 saala chakra] to find out if > > it could indicate the timing of the event. > > > > > > > > The procedure to work out this Dasha system is entirely my own method > > which is still at the experimental stage. In the file section of the > > group [articles on LK grammar folder] there is an article on the > > rationale of this method and the procedure to work out the dasha > > > > > > > > Lal Kitab Dasha [35 year cycle] > > > > > > > > Moon = 12Pi32 [lahiri ayanansh] > > > > > > > > [ to work out the LK cycle at birth use the table given in the file > > section of the group in the folder `articles on LK grammar.'] > > > > > > > > Therefore at the time of birth: 1year 10months 10days of the rahu cycle > > were still left to be gone through. > > > > > > > > D M Y > > > > 21 ? 8 ? 1997 > > > > 10 ? 10 ? 1 [rahu] > > > > -9 > > > > -------------- > > > > 22 ? 6 ? 1999 [rahu cycle ends] > > > > 0 ? 0 - 3 [ketu] > > > > -15 > > > > --------------- > > > > 7 ? 6 ? 2002 [ketu cycle ends] > > > > 0 ? 0 - 6 [jup] > > > > -30 > > > > --------------- > > > > 7 ? 5 ? 2008 [ Jupiter cycle ends] > > > > 0 ? 0 - 2 [sun] > > > > -10 > > > > ----------------- > > > > 27 ? 4 ? 2010 [ sun cycle ends] > > > > > > > > The death occurred during the cycle of the Sun > > > > > > > > Now let us work out the antardasha [inter-cycle] > > > > within the cycle of the Sun. > > > > > > > > 7 ? 5 ? 2008 [cycle of sun begins] > > > > 0 ? 8 - 0 [sun] > > > > -3 > > > > ------------- > > > > 4 ? 1 ? 2009 [ sun/sun ends] > > > > 0 ? 8 - 0 [moon] > > > > -3 > > > > ------------- > > > > 1 ? 9 ? 2009 [ sun/moon ends] > > > > 0 ? 8 ? 0 [mars] > > > > -4 > > > > -------------- > > > > 27 ? 4 ? 2010 [sun/mars ends] > > > > > > > > The death occurred during the sun/mars cycle > > > > > > > > Let us work out the third stage cycle [pratyantar] > > > > > > > > 1- 9 ? 2009 [sun/mars starts] > > > > 20 ? 2 ? 0 [mar] > > > > -1 > > > > ------------ > > > > 20 ? 11 ? 2009 [sun/mars/mars cycle ends] > > > > 20 ? 2 ? 0 [sat] > > > > -1 > > > > --------------- > > > > 9 ? 2 ? 2010 [sun/mars/Saturn cycle ends] > > > > > > > > Death occurred on 22-11-2009 > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us find out the role of these planets in causing death. > > > > > > > > Sun is vyayesh [12th lord] placed in vayay sthan [12th] Mars is ashtmesh > > [8th lord] placed in marak sthan Saturn is shashthesh [6th lord] placed > > in marak sthan > > > > > > > > There are scores of Sanskrit shlok indicating death or death like > > condition [mrityu tulya kasht] during the dasha and the antardasha of > > the 6th,8th or 12th lords. > > > > > > > > During the dasha of the sun placed in the 12th > > > > > > > > `sthantsthan paribhramam vishkritam ragyo > > > > bhayam padruk' > > > > [ Dashaphal Darpan; ch 4 ; shlok 36] > > > > > > > > > > > > Wandering from place to place, fear of poison and the king, trouble in > > the legs. > > > > > > > > During the dasha of the Sun afflicted by Rahu and placed in the 12th [ > > in the kundali sun is afflicted by rahu and is placed in the 12th > > house.] > > > > > > > > jwarpeeda yashohanirbandhumitra virodhkrit > > > > pravaso rogvidwesho apmrityu bhayam bhavet > > > > > > > > [ ch 4 ; shlok 76] > > > > > > > > Fever, loss of fame, opposition from friends and family leaving the > > place of birth, disease, animosity, and untimely death could happen. > > > > > > > > For mars/mars dasha > > > > > > > > Shatrubhitih kalirghora sahasa jayate bhayam > > > > Raktasravo apmrityushch vidashashu swayam kujah > > > > > > > > [ch 23 ; shlok 29] > > > > > > > > Sudden and unexpected fear from the enemy, sever conflict, bleeding, > > untimely death could happen within its own mars antar. > > > > > > > > Give and take a couple of days; I believe that: > > > > > > > > death occurred during the LK cycle of Sun / Mars / Mars > > > > > > > > because : > > > > > > > > `mrityum mrityupateh karoti' [ ch 2;shlok 98] > > > > > > > > The dasha of the 8th lord can cause death. > > > > > > > > The Lal Kitab dasha/antardasha/pratyantar narrows down the time of event > > within a couple of days. > > > > > > > > God bless you, > > > > > > > > Bhooshan Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Varun ji; > > > > > > The details are as follows : > > > > > > Boy > > > Date of birth : 21-8-1997 > > > time : 9-30 am > > > Mysore. > > > > > > Death details > > > 22-11-2009 sunday > > > between 5-30 pm and 6-30 pm. ( exact time is not known) > > > > > > This young child has commited suicide by hanging > > > himself with a bath towel, in the hostel toilet > > > > > > The boy was staying with parents till last april. As he has failed in > > > exams , they have moved him to a boarding school, just 4 months ago\ > > > > > > > > > the Varshaphala for 13th year is - > > > > > > 1) Saturn and Moon remain in the 7th in the Varshaphala. > > > 2) Venus remains in the 1st. > > > 3) Sun Mercury and Rahu in 4th > > > 5) Mars in 5th > > > 6) Jupiter in 11th > > > 7) Ketu in 6 > > > > > > 1.Venus in 1st house make the native stubborn; inclined to take one > > sided decisions and remain adamant on them. Jupiter, Shani, sooraj > > mande- har taraf maut hi maut nazar aayegi, na sirf barbad balki doosre > > saathiyon ko bhi barbaad karne ke bhagya ka malik hoga. Saturn is > > malefic here on account of position of both rahu and ketu ahead of > > saturn in varshphal tewa. > > > > > > 2. ketu in 6th represents Khudpasandi- no thinking about others; about > > the result of his actions. > > > > > > 3. Moon and saturn in 7th give death due to severe psychological > > shock. > > > > > > these three planets of natal chart are repeating themselves in > > Varshphal , such repetition planets are said to give some nishani or > > some pronounced phal that year. > > > > > > Mars-5 -- remaining outside for long period will is not considered > > good- tera mehboob hi tere jahazon ke bede ki tabhai ka karan hoga. > > > > > > Jupiter -11 - Bina kafan ghar se bahar marega. > > > > > > Mercury and Rahu in 4th house indicate suicide. > > > > > > Sun and mercury in 4th indicate death by falling of horse. (has to be > > > interpreted differently in each case, does not necesarily mean horse, > > it's a metaphor. > > > > > > I have never come across such case in my life; > > > the varshphal phaladesh is very accurate but depressing. > > > Sorry for the poor soul and more for his family members > > > > > > Regards > > > Kulbir > > > > > > , " varun_trvd " varun_trvd@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > > > > > I have read your excellent explanation on this. Could you please > > post that here also for every one to read. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " anand_jotish " > > <anand_jotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > gurujan, > > > > > > > > > > In the AIA group a case has been posted where a 12 year old child > > committed suicide on 22-11-2009. Can we find out why and also why on > > that date. the child was born on 21-8-1997 at 9-30am in mysore. > > > > > shradha poorvak, Anand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 Respected Ash ji, We do not suggest upaya in this group. I suggest you post your message in some other group. Regards, Varun Trivedi , " ashyad73 " <ashyad73 wrote: > > Respected Gurujis, > Is it so bad to have Saturn and moon together ? In my horoscope I also have Sat & Moon in 12th house and some time (only in last one year some times negative thoughts do came in my mind). > Please suggest > regards, > Ash > > , " anand_jotish " <anand_jotish@> wrote: > > > > sir bhooshan guru ji, > > > > apka abhari hun ki apne mere prashna ke uttar mein jyotishiya vidhi se ghatana ke samay ka sahi anuman lagaya. bhavishya mein bhi asha karta hun ki ap isi prakar mera marg darshan karte rahenge. bahut samman ke sath > > anand > > > > > > > > > > , " Pandit Bhooshan Priya " <@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji and Anand ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A very detailed explanation by Kulbir ji has already answered the > > > indications of unexpected and sudden death along with the cause > > > > > > of death. The explanation is so well brought out that there is nothing > > > left for me to add. > > > > > > > > > > > > With Saturn and the moon in the 7th house the Lal Kitab says that ` > > > hathiyar se maut hogi', in other words an unnatural death was > > > already predicted. The child committed suicide. > > > > > > > > > > > > The major question is : > > > > > > > > > > > > Why did the child commit suicide on November 22, 2009? > > > > > > > > > > > > Can we find some astrological indications for the time of event /death? > > > > > > > > > > > > For timing events the Vinshottari dasha can be the best tool When I > > > looked at the vinshottari dasha of the child, he was going through > > > mercury/ sun dasha when he committed suicide. Mercury is his Lagnesh and > > > normally a dasha of Lagnesh does not lead to death unless the lagnesh is > > > severely afflicted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then I worked out the Lal Kitab dasha [35 saala chakra] to find out if > > > it could indicate the timing of the event. > > > > > > > > > > > > The procedure to work out this Dasha system is entirely my own method > > > which is still at the experimental stage. In the file section of the > > > group [articles on LK grammar folder] there is an article on the > > > rationale of this method and the procedure to work out the dasha > > > > > > > > > > > > Lal Kitab Dasha [35 year cycle] > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon = 12Pi32 [lahiri ayanansh] > > > > > > > > > > > > [ to work out the LK cycle at birth use the table given in the file > > > section of the group in the folder `articles on LK grammar.'] > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore at the time of birth: 1year 10months 10days of the rahu cycle > > > were still left to be gone through. > > > > > > > > > > > > D M Y > > > > > > 21 ? 8 ? 1997 > > > > > > 10 ? 10 ? 1 [rahu] > > > > > > -9 > > > > > > -------------- > > > > > > 22 ? 6 ? 1999 [rahu cycle ends] > > > > > > 0 ? 0 - 3 [ketu] > > > > > > -15 > > > > > > --------------- > > > > > > 7 ? 6 ? 2002 [ketu cycle ends] > > > > > > 0 ? 0 - 6 [jup] > > > > > > -30 > > > > > > --------------- > > > > > > 7 ? 5 ? 2008 [ Jupiter cycle ends] > > > > > > 0 ? 0 - 2 [sun] > > > > > > -10 > > > > > > ----------------- > > > > > > 27 ? 4 ? 2010 [ sun cycle ends] > > > > > > > > > > > > The death occurred during the cycle of the Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us work out the antardasha [inter-cycle] > > > > > > within the cycle of the Sun. > > > > > > > > > > > > 7 ? 5 ? 2008 [cycle of sun begins] > > > > > > 0 ? 8 - 0 [sun] > > > > > > -3 > > > > > > ------------- > > > > > > 4 ? 1 ? 2009 [ sun/sun ends] > > > > > > 0 ? 8 - 0 [moon] > > > > > > -3 > > > > > > ------------- > > > > > > 1 ? 9 ? 2009 [ sun/moon ends] > > > > > > 0 ? 8 ? 0 [mars] > > > > > > -4 > > > > > > -------------- > > > > > > 27 ? 4 ? 2010 [sun/mars ends] > > > > > > > > > > > > The death occurred during the sun/mars cycle > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us work out the third stage cycle [pratyantar] > > > > > > > > > > > > 1- 9 ? 2009 [sun/mars starts] > > > > > > 20 ? 2 ? 0 [mar] > > > > > > -1 > > > > > > ------------ > > > > > > 20 ? 11 ? 2009 [sun/mars/mars cycle ends] > > > > > > 20 ? 2 ? 0 [sat] > > > > > > -1 > > > > > > --------------- > > > > > > 9 ? 2 ? 2010 [sun/mars/Saturn cycle ends] > > > > > > > > > > > > Death occurred on 22-11-2009 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us find out the role of these planets in causing death. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun is vyayesh [12th lord] placed in vayay sthan [12th] Mars is ashtmesh > > > [8th lord] placed in marak sthan Saturn is shashthesh [6th lord] placed > > > in marak sthan > > > > > > > > > > > > There are scores of Sanskrit shlok indicating death or death like > > > condition [mrityu tulya kasht] during the dasha and the antardasha of > > > the 6th,8th or 12th lords. > > > > > > > > > > > > During the dasha of the sun placed in the 12th > > > > > > > > > > > > `sthantsthan paribhramam vishkritam ragyo > > > > > > bhayam padruk' > > > > > > [ Dashaphal Darpan; ch 4 ; shlok 36] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wandering from place to place, fear of poison and the king, trouble in > > > the legs. > > > > > > > > > > > > During the dasha of the Sun afflicted by Rahu and placed in the 12th [ > > > in the kundali sun is afflicted by rahu and is placed in the 12th > > > house.] > > > > > > > > > > > > jwarpeeda yashohanirbandhumitra virodhkrit > > > > > > pravaso rogvidwesho apmrityu bhayam bhavet > > > > > > > > > > > > [ ch 4 ; shlok 76] > > > > > > > > > > > > Fever, loss of fame, opposition from friends and family leaving the > > > place of birth, disease, animosity, and untimely death could happen. > > > > > > > > > > > > For mars/mars dasha > > > > > > > > > > > > Shatrubhitih kalirghora sahasa jayate bhayam > > > > > > Raktasravo apmrityushch vidashashu swayam kujah > > > > > > > > > > > > [ch 23 ; shlok 29] > > > > > > > > > > > > Sudden and unexpected fear from the enemy, sever conflict, bleeding, > > > untimely death could happen within its own mars antar. > > > > > > > > > > > > Give and take a couple of days; I believe that: > > > > > > > > > > > > death occurred during the LK cycle of Sun / Mars / Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > because : > > > > > > > > > > > > `mrityum mrityupateh karoti' [ ch 2;shlok 98] > > > > > > > > > > > > The dasha of the 8th lord can cause death. > > > > > > > > > > > > The Lal Kitab dasha/antardasha/pratyantar narrows down the time of event > > > within a couple of days. > > > > > > > > > > > > God bless you, > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhooshan Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Varun ji; > > > > > > > > The details are as follows : > > > > > > > > Boy > > > > Date of birth : 21-8-1997 > > > > time : 9-30 am > > > > Mysore. > > > > > > > > Death details > > > > 22-11-2009 sunday > > > > between 5-30 pm and 6-30 pm. ( exact time is not known) > > > > > > > > This young child has commited suicide by hanging > > > > himself with a bath towel, in the hostel toilet > > > > > > > > The boy was staying with parents till last april. As he has failed in > > > > exams , they have moved him to a boarding school, just 4 months ago\ > > > > > > > > > > > > the Varshaphala for 13th year is - > > > > > > > > 1) Saturn and Moon remain in the 7th in the Varshaphala. > > > > 2) Venus remains in the 1st. > > > > 3) Sun Mercury and Rahu in 4th > > > > 5) Mars in 5th > > > > 6) Jupiter in 11th > > > > 7) Ketu in 6 > > > > > > > > 1.Venus in 1st house make the native stubborn; inclined to take one > > > sided decisions and remain adamant on them. Jupiter, Shani, sooraj > > > mande- har taraf maut hi maut nazar aayegi, na sirf barbad balki doosre > > > saathiyon ko bhi barbaad karne ke bhagya ka malik hoga. Saturn is > > > malefic here on account of position of both rahu and ketu ahead of > > > saturn in varshphal tewa. > > > > > > > > 2. ketu in 6th represents Khudpasandi- no thinking about others; about > > > the result of his actions. > > > > > > > > 3. Moon and saturn in 7th give death due to severe psychological > > > shock. > > > > > > > > these three planets of natal chart are repeating themselves in > > > Varshphal , such repetition planets are said to give some nishani or > > > some pronounced phal that year. > > > > > > > > Mars-5 -- remaining outside for long period will is not considered > > > good- tera mehboob hi tere jahazon ke bede ki tabhai ka karan hoga. > > > > > > > > Jupiter -11 - Bina kafan ghar se bahar marega. > > > > > > > > Mercury and Rahu in 4th house indicate suicide. > > > > > > > > Sun and mercury in 4th indicate death by falling of horse. (has to be > > > > interpreted differently in each case, does not necesarily mean horse, > > > it's a metaphor. > > > > > > > > I have never come across such case in my life; > > > > the varshphal phaladesh is very accurate but depressing. > > > > Sorry for the poor soul and more for his family members > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Kulbir > > > > > > > > , " varun_trvd " varun_trvd@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > > > > > > > I have read your excellent explanation on this. Could you please > > > post that here also for every one to read. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " anand_jotish " > > > <anand_jotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > gurujan, > > > > > > > > > > > > In the AIA group a case has been posted where a 12 year old child > > > committed suicide on 22-11-2009. Can we find out why and also why on > > > that date. the child was born on 21-8-1997 at 9-30am in mysore. > > > > > > shradha poorvak, Anand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2009 Report Share Posted December 9, 2009 Respected Varun jee , I am sorry if I was not clear in my mail. I am not looking for Upaya, I was just trying to find out if Sat & Moon in 12th house are there, is it really bad and what are the effectes because when compared with Vedic astrology Saturn in 12th house makes viprit rajyoga and as I am interested in aspects of LK I was just curious to know. Thanks a lot , for Upaya I have already contacted Respected Priya jee as as usual without any personal interest he has told me and I am following the the same. Here I also want to mention that there are really some great people like Priya jee who are serving community and sharing their knowledge for well being of community. regards, Ash , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > Respected Ash ji, > > We do not suggest upaya in this group. I suggest you post your message in some other group. > > Regards, > > Varun Trivedi > > > > , " ashyad73 " <ashyad73@> wrote: > > > > Respected Gurujis, > > Is it so bad to have Saturn and moon together ? In my horoscope I also have Sat & Moon in 12th house and some time (only in last one year some times negative thoughts do came in my mind). > > Please suggest > > regards, > > Ash > > > > , " anand_jotish " <anand_jotish@> wrote: > > > > > > sir bhooshan guru ji, > > > > > > apka abhari hun ki apne mere prashna ke uttar mein jyotishiya vidhi se ghatana ke samay ka sahi anuman lagaya. bhavishya mein bhi asha karta hun ki ap isi prakar mera marg darshan karte rahenge. bahut samman ke sath > > > anand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Pandit Bhooshan Priya " <@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji and Anand ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A very detailed explanation by Kulbir ji has already answered the > > > > indications of unexpected and sudden death along with the cause > > > > > > > > of death. The explanation is so well brought out that there is nothing > > > > left for me to add. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With Saturn and the moon in the 7th house the Lal Kitab says that ` > > > > hathiyar se maut hogi', in other words an unnatural death was > > > > already predicted. The child committed suicide. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The major question is : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why did the child commit suicide on November 22, 2009? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can we find some astrological indications for the time of event /death? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For timing events the Vinshottari dasha can be the best tool When I > > > > looked at the vinshottari dasha of the child, he was going through > > > > mercury/ sun dasha when he committed suicide. Mercury is his Lagnesh and > > > > normally a dasha of Lagnesh does not lead to death unless the lagnesh is > > > > severely afflicted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then I worked out the Lal Kitab dasha [35 saala chakra] to find out if > > > > it could indicate the timing of the event. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The procedure to work out this Dasha system is entirely my own method > > > > which is still at the experimental stage. In the file section of the > > > > group [articles on LK grammar folder] there is an article on the > > > > rationale of this method and the procedure to work out the dasha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lal Kitab Dasha [35 year cycle] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon = 12Pi32 [lahiri ayanansh] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ to work out the LK cycle at birth use the table given in the file > > > > section of the group in the folder `articles on LK grammar.'] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore at the time of birth: 1year 10months 10days of the rahu cycle > > > > were still left to be gone through. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > D M Y > > > > > > > > 21 ? 8 ? 1997 > > > > > > > > 10 ? 10 ? 1 [rahu] > > > > > > > > -9 > > > > > > > > -------------- > > > > > > > > 22 ? 6 ? 1999 [rahu cycle ends] > > > > > > > > 0 ? 0 - 3 [ketu] > > > > > > > > -15 > > > > > > > > --------------- > > > > > > > > 7 ? 6 ? 2002 [ketu cycle ends] > > > > > > > > 0 ? 0 - 6 [jup] > > > > > > > > -30 > > > > > > > > --------------- > > > > > > > > 7 ? 5 ? 2008 [ Jupiter cycle ends] > > > > > > > > 0 ? 0 - 2 [sun] > > > > > > > > -10 > > > > > > > > ----------------- > > > > > > > > 27 ? 4 ? 2010 [ sun cycle ends] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The death occurred during the cycle of the Sun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us work out the antardasha [inter-cycle] > > > > > > > > within the cycle of the Sun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7 ? 5 ? 2008 [cycle of sun begins] > > > > > > > > 0 ? 8 - 0 [sun] > > > > > > > > -3 > > > > > > > > ------------- > > > > > > > > 4 ? 1 ? 2009 [ sun/sun ends] > > > > > > > > 0 ? 8 - 0 [moon] > > > > > > > > -3 > > > > > > > > ------------- > > > > > > > > 1 ? 9 ? 2009 [ sun/moon ends] > > > > > > > > 0 ? 8 ? 0 [mars] > > > > > > > > -4 > > > > > > > > -------------- > > > > > > > > 27 ? 4 ? 2010 [sun/mars ends] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The death occurred during the sun/mars cycle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us work out the third stage cycle [pratyantar] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1- 9 ? 2009 [sun/mars starts] > > > > > > > > 20 ? 2 ? 0 [mar] > > > > > > > > -1 > > > > > > > > ------------ > > > > > > > > 20 ? 11 ? 2009 [sun/mars/mars cycle ends] > > > > > > > > 20 ? 2 ? 0 [sat] > > > > > > > > -1 > > > > > > > > --------------- > > > > > > > > 9 ? 2 ? 2010 [sun/mars/Saturn cycle ends] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Death occurred on 22-11-2009 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now let us find out the role of these planets in causing death. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun is vyayesh [12th lord] placed in vayay sthan [12th] Mars is ashtmesh > > > > [8th lord] placed in marak sthan Saturn is shashthesh [6th lord] placed > > > > in marak sthan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are scores of Sanskrit shlok indicating death or death like > > > > condition [mrityu tulya kasht] during the dasha and the antardasha of > > > > the 6th,8th or 12th lords. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > During the dasha of the sun placed in the 12th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > `sthantsthan paribhramam vishkritam ragyo > > > > > > > > bhayam padruk' > > > > > > > > [ Dashaphal Darpan; ch 4 ; shlok 36] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wandering from place to place, fear of poison and the king, trouble in > > > > the legs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > During the dasha of the Sun afflicted by Rahu and placed in the 12th [ > > > > in the kundali sun is afflicted by rahu and is placed in the 12th > > > > house.] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jwarpeeda yashohanirbandhumitra virodhkrit > > > > > > > > pravaso rogvidwesho apmrityu bhayam bhavet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ ch 4 ; shlok 76] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fever, loss of fame, opposition from friends and family leaving the > > > > place of birth, disease, animosity, and untimely death could happen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For mars/mars dasha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shatrubhitih kalirghora sahasa jayate bhayam > > > > > > > > Raktasravo apmrityushch vidashashu swayam kujah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ch 23 ; shlok 29] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sudden and unexpected fear from the enemy, sever conflict, bleeding, > > > > untimely death could happen within its own mars antar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Give and take a couple of days; I believe that: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > death occurred during the LK cycle of Sun / Mars / Mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > because : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > `mrityum mrityupateh karoti' [ ch 2;shlok 98] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The dasha of the 8th lord can cause death. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Lal Kitab dasha/antardasha/pratyantar narrows down the time of event > > > > within a couple of days. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > God bless you, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhooshan Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Varun ji; > > > > > > > > > > The details are as follows : > > > > > > > > > > Boy > > > > > Date of birth : 21-8-1997 > > > > > time : 9-30 am > > > > > Mysore. > > > > > > > > > > Death details > > > > > 22-11-2009 sunday > > > > > between 5-30 pm and 6-30 pm. ( exact time is not known) > > > > > > > > > > This young child has commited suicide by hanging > > > > > himself with a bath towel, in the hostel toilet > > > > > > > > > > The boy was staying with parents till last april. As he has failed in > > > > > exams , they have moved him to a boarding school, just 4 months ago\ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Varshaphala for 13th year is - > > > > > > > > > > 1) Saturn and Moon remain in the 7th in the Varshaphala. > > > > > 2) Venus remains in the 1st. > > > > > 3) Sun Mercury and Rahu in 4th > > > > > 5) Mars in 5th > > > > > 6) Jupiter in 11th > > > > > 7) Ketu in 6 > > > > > > > > > > 1.Venus in 1st house make the native stubborn; inclined to take one > > > > sided decisions and remain adamant on them. Jupiter, Shani, sooraj > > > > mande- har taraf maut hi maut nazar aayegi, na sirf barbad balki doosre > > > > saathiyon ko bhi barbaad karne ke bhagya ka malik hoga. Saturn is > > > > malefic here on account of position of both rahu and ketu ahead of > > > > saturn in varshphal tewa. > > > > > > > > > > 2. ketu in 6th represents Khudpasandi- no thinking about others; about > > > > the result of his actions. > > > > > > > > > > 3. Moon and saturn in 7th give death due to severe psychological > > > > shock. > > > > > > > > > > these three planets of natal chart are repeating themselves in > > > > Varshphal , such repetition planets are said to give some nishani or > > > > some pronounced phal that year. > > > > > > > > > > Mars-5 -- remaining outside for long period will is not considered > > > > good- tera mehboob hi tere jahazon ke bede ki tabhai ka karan hoga. > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter -11 - Bina kafan ghar se bahar marega. > > > > > > > > > > Mercury and Rahu in 4th house indicate suicide. > > > > > > > > > > Sun and mercury in 4th indicate death by falling of horse. (has to be > > > > > interpreted differently in each case, does not necesarily mean horse, > > > > it's a metaphor. > > > > > > > > > > I have never come across such case in my life; > > > > > the varshphal phaladesh is very accurate but depressing. > > > > > Sorry for the poor soul and more for his family members > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Kulbir > > > > > > > > > > , " varun_trvd " varun_trvd@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > > > > > > > > > I have read your excellent explanation on this. Could you please > > > > post that here also for every one to read. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " anand_jotish " > > > > <anand_jotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gurujan, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the AIA group a case has been posted where a 12 year old child > > > > committed suicide on 22-11-2009. Can we find out why and also why on > > > > that date. the child was born on 21-8-1997 at 9-30am in mysore. > > > > > > > shradha poorvak, Anand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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