Guest guest Posted May 5, 2005 Report Share Posted May 5, 2005 Dear Karivdana, You are in the K.P. Group,and K..P. Software is available,use one with the "revised ayanamsas"...Mr.Raichur's software is the one that I use and I find it very useful and have got extremely accurate results with it... You may contact him at anant_1608 and order your software,after finding out the cost,mode of payment etc.... With best wishes... lyrastro1 GOOD LUCK !karivadana <karivadana wrote: To The Moderator and other members,Dear Sirs,Good morning,I am one of the new members recently joined in our group.We all know that the usage of various ayanamsas give difference results in chart making. The difference is found not only in graha and bhava sphutas but also in dwadasa vargas i.e., navamsa etc., the balance dasa years. Some soft wares provide sub and sub-sub system for other than k.p. ayanamsa also.I purchased Janus Astrology software Kalavedifc software Jagannatha Horalite (downloaded freely) Astro Kundali of Dr. Karekar of Maharashtra Divya Excellent Software from Bangalore Horoscope explorer from Public Soft Delhi Kundali The software prepared by Tanjore V. Gopalakrishnan (freely got)The charts created through these different programs differ in Bhava Sphutas and Graha sphutas, and subs, though I use only k.p. ayanamsa. . In long. And Lat. Degrees for cities also they differ. I am confused. Though I predict with 95 to 98 percent accuracy still my question is why the difference occurs?I request all the members to enlighten me in this regard.Good luckpmg India Matrimony: Find your life partner online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2005 Report Share Posted May 6, 2005 Dear karivadana, I-- DIFFERENCES IN LAT & LOG 1. For details pl refer to Msg#3150 and Msg#2875 the Craze for Accuracy. 2. For example, London, UK Astrodienst (Zurich)--51N30,00W10 Astro-Kundli----------51N32,00W55 Jagannatha Hora 7.02--51N30,00W07 KPAstro 2.0---------- 51N30,00W07 II--DIFFERENCES IN POSITIONS OF PLANETS AND CUSPS A-- OLD AND NEW KP AYANAMSA 3. Pl refer to Msg# 1530 and if necessary I can send you New KPA Table. 4. New KPA is available in KP SWs – Shri Raichur's & KPAstro 2.0. Another KP feature in those SWs is the application of " ORB Theory " which says a planet slightly (within 1-3 deg) behind the cusp of a house, gains the significance of the following house as though it is in the next house, and the effect is stronger if there is no other planet in the following house. (KP Reader IV, p 108; K.P. & ASTROLOGY, Year Book, 2000, pp 82-83; 2003, p 45 & 2005, p 61) 5. Example: QUEEN ELIZABETH II, 21-04-1926, 2-40 AM DST, (1-40 GMT), London, 51N30, 00W10, Sid Time15:32:50 a) New KPA (NKPA) as per Raichur's SW and KPAstro 2.0, is 22- 44:17. b) Old KPA (OPKA) as per Astro-Kundli is 22:43:51 which is 26 sec less than NKPA. c) OKPA as per Jagannatha Hora 7.02 is 22:43:18.80 which is 58 sec less than NKPA. B—ACCURACY OF SWs 6. For the above example by using the same log & lat 51N30, 00W10 and NKPA 22-44:17 --— ASC POSITION Sn Soft Ware Deg-Mn-Se SglStlSblSsl 1) Astro-Kundli 268-38-44 Ju-Su-Ma-Ju 2) Jagannatha 268-38-28 Ju-Su-Ma-Ju 3) Astrodienst 268-38-28 Ju-Su-Ma-Ju 4) KPAstro 2.0 268-38-27 Ju-Su-Ma-Ju MOON POSITION Sn Soft Ware Deg-Mn-Se SglStlSblSsl 1) Astro-Kundl 109-23-17 Mo-Me-Ve-Ve 2) Jagannatha 109-23-02 Mo-Me-Ve-Ve 3) Astrodienst 109-23-01 Mo-Me-Ve-Ve 4) KPAstro 2.0 109-23-01 Mo-Me-Ve-Ve 7. No significant differences in the above SWs. 2-3-4 are very closed. 3 & 4 are exactly the same for positions of all planets and cusps except only up to 1 sec due to rounding, i.e. deduction of New KPA from 'tropical' sayana positions of Astrodienst gives 'sidereal' nirayana positions of KPAstro 2.0. 1-3-4 use the Swiss Ephemeris based upon the latest planetary and lunar ephemeris, developed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory. Even though the same Swiss Ephemeris, sometimes a slight difference between Astro-Kundli & Astrodienst. Fine tuning of mathematical equations for the Ephemeris and the Table of Houses may cause some differences. Dasa balances will be different depending on Moon position. And sub or sub sub lords also may be different depending on significant differences in positions of planets and cusps. 8. In doing research by going back too far some SWs will go out of line but 2-3 and implicitly 4 are doing well, and I use 4- KPAstro. Leonardo da Vinci, 23 April 1452, 9-40 PM LMT, UT-0.44, 20:56:20 GMT, Vinci, Italy, 43N47, 10E55, Sid Time 11:47:47, using the same NKPA 16:07:46-- Sn Asc D-M-S Moon D-M-S Software 1) 230-30-52 316-53-20 Astrodienst 2) 230-30-52 316-53-41 Jagnnatha 3) 230-31-56 316-53-39 Khaldea Best regards, tw , " karivadana " <karivadana> wrote: > To > The Moderator and other members, > > Dear Sirs, > > > Good morning, > > I am one of the new members recently joined in our group. > We all know that the usage of various ayanamsas give difference > results in chart making. > > The difference is found not only in graha and bhava sphutas but also > in dwadasa vargas i.e., navamsa etc., the balance dasa years. Some > soft wares provide sub and sub-sub system for other than k.p. > ayanamsa also. > > I purchased Janus Astrology software > Kalavedifc software > Jagannatha Horalite (downloaded freely) > Astro Kundali of Dr. Karekar of Maharashtra > Divya Excellent Software from Bangalore > Horoscope explorer from Public Soft Delhi > Kundali > The software prepared by Tanjore V. Gopalakrishnan > (freely got) > > The charts created through these different programs differ in Bhava > Sphutas and Graha sphutas, and subs, though I use only k.p. > ayanamsa. . In long. And Lat. Degrees for cities also they > differ. > > I am confused. > Though I predict with 95 to 98 percent accuracy still my question is > why the difference occurs? > I request all the members to enlighten me in this regard. > Good luck > pmg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2005 Report Share Posted May 6, 2005 Dear karivadana, NKPA Table is available in--- 1) Sandy's website http://www.jupitersweb.com/kp_stellar_astrology.htm 2) The Stellar Astrology Research Group File section Regards, tw , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > Dear karivadana, > > > I-- DIFFERENCES IN LAT & LOG > > 1. For details pl refer to Msg#3150 and Msg#2875 the Craze for > Accuracy. > > 2. For example, London, UK > > Astrodienst (Zurich)--51N30,00W10 > Astro-Kundli----------51N32,00W55 > Jagannatha Hora 7.02--51N30,00W07 > KPAstro 2.0---------- 51N30,00W07 > > II--DIFFERENCES IN POSITIONS OF PLANETS AND CUSPS > > A-- OLD AND NEW KP AYANAMSA > > 3. Pl refer to Msg# 1530 and if necessary I can send you New KPA > Table. > > 4. New KPA is available in KP SWs – Shri Raichur's & KPAstro 2.0. > Another KP feature in those SWs is the application of " ORB Theory " > which says a planet slightly (within 1-3 deg) behind the cusp of a > house, gains the significance of the following house as though it is > in the next house, and the effect is stronger if there is no other > planet in the following house. (KP Reader IV, p 108; K.P. & > ASTROLOGY, Year Book, 2000, pp 82-83; 2003, p 45 & 2005, p 61) > > 5. Example: QUEEN ELIZABETH II, 21-04-1926, 2-40 AM DST, (1-40 GMT), > London, 51N30, 00W10, Sid Time15:32:50 > > > a) New KPA (NKPA) as per Raichur's SW and KPAstro 2.0, is 22- > 44:17. > b) Old KPA (OPKA) as per Astro-Kundli is 22:43:51 which is 26 > sec less than NKPA. > c) OKPA as per Jagannatha Hora 7.02 is 22:43:18.80 which is 58 > sec less than NKPA. > > > B—ACCURACY OF SWs > > 6. For the above example by using the same log & lat 51N30, > 00W10 and NKPA 22-44:17 --— > > ASC POSITION > > Sn Soft Ware Deg-Mn-Se SglStlSblSsl > 1) Astro-Kundli 268-38-44 Ju-Su-Ma-Ju > 2) Jagannatha 268-38-28 Ju-Su-Ma-Ju > 3) Astrodienst 268-38-28 Ju-Su-Ma-Ju > 4) KPAstro 2.0 268-38-27 Ju-Su-Ma-Ju > > > MOON POSITION > > Sn Soft Ware Deg-Mn-Se SglStlSblSsl > 1) Astro-Kundl 109-23-17 Mo-Me-Ve-Ve > 2) Jagannatha 109-23-02 Mo-Me-Ve-Ve > 3) Astrodienst 109-23-01 Mo-Me-Ve-Ve > 4) KPAstro 2.0 109-23-01 Mo-Me-Ve-Ve > > > 7. No significant differences in the above SWs. 2-3-4 are > very closed. 3 & 4 are exactly the same for positions of all planets > and cusps except only up to 1 sec due to rounding, i.e. deduction of > New KPA from 'tropical' sayana positions of Astrodienst > gives 'sidereal' nirayana positions of KPAstro 2.0. 1-3-4 use the > Swiss Ephemeris based upon the latest planetary and lunar ephemeris, > developed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory. Even though the same > Swiss Ephemeris, sometimes a slight difference between Astro- Kundli > & Astrodienst. Fine tuning of mathematical equations for the > Ephemeris and the Table of Houses may cause some differences. Dasa > balances will be different depending on Moon position. And sub or > sub sub lords also may be different depending on significant > differences in positions of planets and cusps. > > 8. In doing research by going back too far some SWs will go out > of line but 2-3 and implicitly 4 are doing well, and I use 4- > KPAstro. > > Leonardo da Vinci, 23 April 1452, 9-40 PM LMT, UT-0.44, 20:56:20 > GMT, Vinci, Italy, 43N47, 10E55, Sid Time 11:47:47, using the same > NKPA 16:07:46-- > > Sn Asc D-M-S Moon D-M-S Software > 1) 230-30-52 316-53-20 Astrodienst > 2) 230-30-52 316-53-41 Jagnnatha > 3) 230-31-56 316-53-39 Khaldea > > > Best regards, > > tw > > > , " karivadana " <karivadana> > wrote: > > To > > The Moderator and other members, > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > Good morning, > > > > I am one of the new members recently joined in our group. > > We all know that the usage of various ayanamsas give difference > > results in chart making. > > > > The difference is found not only in graha and bhava sphutas but > also > > in dwadasa vargas i.e., navamsa etc., the balance dasa years. > Some > > soft wares provide sub and sub-sub system for other than k.p. > > ayanamsa also. > > > > I purchased Janus Astrology software > > Kalavedifc software > > Jagannatha Horalite (downloaded freely) > > Astro Kundali of Dr. Karekar of Maharashtra > > Divya Excellent Software from Bangalore > > Horoscope explorer from Public Soft Delhi > > Kundali > > The software prepared by Tanjore V. Gopalakrishnan > > (freely got) > > > > The charts created through these different programs differ in > Bhava > > Sphutas and Graha sphutas, and subs, though I use only k.p. > > ayanamsa. . In long. And Lat. Degrees for cities also they > > differ. > > > > I am confused. > > Though I predict with 95 to 98 percent accuracy still my question > is > > why the difference occurs? > > I request all the members to enlighten me in this regard. > > Good luck > > pmg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2005 Report Share Posted May 6, 2005 Dear Tin Win A very good and studied posting. Keep it uptw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear karivadana,I-- DIFFERENCES IN LAT & LOG1. For details pl refer to Msg#3150 and Msg#2875 the Craze for Accuracy.2. For example, London, UKAstrodienst (Zurich)--51N30,00W10Astro-Kundli----------51N32,00W55Jagannatha Hora 7.02--51N30,00W07KPAstro 2.0---------- 51N30,00W07II--DIFFERENCES IN POSITIONS OF PLANETS AND CUSPSA-- OLD AND NEW KP AYANAMSA 3. Pl refer to Msg# 1530 and if necessary I can send you New KPA Table.4. New KPA is available in KP SWs – Shri Raichur's & KPAstro 2.0. Another KP feature in those SWs is the application of "ORB Theory" which says a planet slightly (within 1-3 deg) behind the cusp of a house, gains the significance of the following house as though it is in the next house, and the effect is stronger if there is no other planet in the following house. (KP Reader IV, p 108; K.P. & ASTROLOGY, Year Book, 2000, pp 82-83; 2003, p 45 & 2005, p 61)5. Example: QUEEN ELIZABETH II, 21-04-1926, 2-40 AM DST, (1-40 GMT), London, 51N30, 00W10, Sid Time15:32:50 a) New KPA (NKPA) as per Raichur's SW and KPAstro 2.0, is 22-44:17.b) Old KPA (OPKA) as per Astro-Kundli is 22:43:51 which is 26 sec less than NKPA.c) OKPA as per Jagannatha Hora 7.02 is 22:43:18.80 which is 58 sec less than NKPA.B—ACCURACY OF SWs6. For the above example by using the same log & lat 51N30, 00W10 and NKPA 22-44:17 --—ASC POSITIONSn Soft Ware Deg-Mn-Se SglStlSblSsl1) Astro-Kundli 268-38-44 Ju-Su-Ma-Ju2) Jagannatha 268-38-28 Ju-Su-Ma-Ju3) Astrodienst 268-38-28 Ju-Su-Ma-Ju4) KPAstro 2.0 268-38-27 Ju-Su-Ma-JuMOON POSITIONSn Soft Ware Deg-Mn-Se SglStlSblSsl1) Astro-Kundl 109-23-17 Mo-Me-Ve-Ve 2) Jagannatha 109-23-02 Mo-Me-Ve-Ve 3) Astrodienst 109-23-01 Mo-Me-Ve-Ve 4) KPAstro 2.0 109-23-01 Mo-Me-Ve-Ve7. No significant differences in the above SWs. 2-3-4 are very closed. 3 & 4 are exactly the same for positions of all planets and cusps except only up to 1 sec due to rounding, i.e. deduction of New KPA from 'tropical' sayana positions of Astrodienst gives 'sidereal' nirayana positions of KPAstro 2.0. 1-3-4 use the Swiss Ephemeris based upon the latest planetary and lunar ephemeris, developed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory. Even though the same Swiss Ephemeris, sometimes a slight difference between Astro-Kundli & Astrodienst. Fine tuning of mathematical equations for the Ephemeris and the Table of Houses may cause some differences. Dasa balances will be different depending on Moon position. And sub or sub sub lords also may be different depending on significant differences in positions of planets and cusps. 8. In doing research by going back too far some SWs will go out of line but 2-3 and implicitly 4 are doing well, and I use 4- KPAstro. Leonardo da Vinci, 23 April 1452, 9-40 PM LMT, UT-0.44, 20:56:20 GMT, Vinci, Italy, 43N47, 10E55, Sid Time 11:47:47, using the same NKPA 16:07:46--Sn Asc D-M-S Moon D-M-S Software1) 230-30-52 316-53-20 Astrodienst2) 230-30-52 316-53-41 Jagnnatha3) 230-31-56 316-53-39 KhaldeaBest regards,tw , "karivadana" wrote:> To > The Moderator and other members,> > Dear Sirs,> > > Good morning,> > I am one of the new members recently joined in our group.> We all know that the usage of various ayanamsas give difference > results in chart making. > > The difference is found not only in graha and bhava sphutas but also > in dwadasa vargas i.e., navamsa etc., the balance dasa years. Some > soft wares provide sub and sub-sub system for other than k.p. > ayanamsa also.> > I purchased Janus Astrology software> Kalavedifc software> Jagannatha Horalite (downloaded freely)> Astro Kundali of Dr. Karekar of Maharashtra> Divya Excellent Software from Bangalore> Horoscope explorer from Public Soft Delhi> Kundali> The software prepared by Tanjore V. Gopalakrishnan > (freely got)> > The charts created through these different programs differ in Bhava > Sphutas and Graha sphutas, and subs, though I use only k.p. > ayanamsa. . In long. And Lat. Degrees for cities also they > differ. > > I am confused. > Though I predict with 95 to 98 percent accuracy still my question is > why the difference occurs?> I request all the members to enlighten me in this regard.> Good luck> pmg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2005 Report Share Posted May 6, 2005 Dear Sir, Good evening Thank you for giving eloborate and elucidate reply to my question. I really apricieate your keen interest i answering my question Once again I thank you. Good luck karivadanatw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear karivadana,I-- DIFFERENCES IN LAT & LOG1. For details pl refer to Msg#3150 and Msg#2875 the Craze for Accuracy.2. For example, London, UKAstrodienst (Zurich)--51N30,00W10Astro-Kundli----------51N32,00W55Jagannatha Hora 7.02--51N30,00W07KPAstro 2.0---------- 51N30,00W07II--DIFFERENCES IN POSITIONS OF PLANETS AND CUSPSA-- OLD AND NEW KP AYANAMSA 3. Pl refer to Msg# 1530 and if necessary I can send you New KPA Table.4. New KPA is available in KP SWs – Shri Raichur's & KPAstro 2.0. Another KP feature in those SWs is the application of "ORB Theory" which says a planet slightly (within 1-3 deg) behind the cusp of a house, gains the significance of the following house as though it is in the next house, and the effect is stronger if there is no other planet in the following house. (KP Reader IV, p 108; K.P. & ASTROLOGY, Year Book, 2000, pp 82-83; 2003, p 45 & 2005, p 61)5. Example: QUEEN ELIZABETH II, 21-04-1926, 2-40 AM DST, (1-40 GMT), London, 51N30, 00W10, Sid Time15:32:50 a) New KPA (NKPA) as per Raichur's SW and KPAstro 2.0, is 22-44:17.b) Old KPA (OPKA) as per Astro-Kundli is 22:43:51 which is 26 sec less than NKPA.c) OKPA as per Jagannatha Hora 7.02 is 22:43:18.80 which is 58 sec less than NKPA.B—ACCURACY OF SWs6. For the above example by using the same log & lat 51N30, 00W10 and NKPA 22-44:17 --—ASC POSITIONSn Soft Ware Deg-Mn-Se SglStlSblSsl1) Astro-Kundli 268-38-44 Ju-Su-Ma-Ju2) Jagannatha 268-38-28 Ju-Su-Ma-Ju3) Astrodienst 268-38-28 Ju-Su-Ma-Ju4) KPAstro 2.0 268-38-27 Ju-Su-Ma-JuMOON POSITIONSn Soft Ware Deg-Mn-Se SglStlSblSsl1) Astro-Kundl 109-23-17 Mo-Me-Ve-Ve 2) Jagannatha 109-23-02 Mo-Me-Ve-Ve 3) Astrodienst 109-23-01 Mo-Me-Ve-Ve 4) KPAstro 2.0 109-23-01 Mo-Me-Ve-Ve 7. No significant differences in the above SWs. 2-3-4 are very closed. 3 & 4 are exactly the same for positions of all planets and cusps except only up to 1 sec due to rounding, i.e. deduction of New KPA from 'tropical' sayana positions of Astrodienst gives 'sidereal' nirayana positions of KPAstro 2.0. 1-3-4 use the Swiss Ephemeris based upon the latest planetary and lunar ephemeris, developed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory. Even though the same Swiss Ephemeris, sometimes a slight difference between Astro-Kundli & Astrodienst. Fine tuning of mathematical equations for the Ephemeris and the Table of Houses may cause some differences. Dasa balances will be different depending on Moon position. And sub or sub sub lords also may be different depending on significant differences in positions of planets and cusps. 8. In doing research by going back too far some SWs will go out of line but 2-3 and implicitly 4 are doing well, and I use 4- KPAstro. Leonardo da Vinci, 23 April 1452, 9-40 PM LMT, UT-0.44, 20:56:20 GMT, Vinci, Italy, 43N47, 10E55, Sid Time 11:47:47, using the same NKPA 16:07:46--Sn Asc D-M-S Moon D-M-S Software1) 230-30-52 316-53-20 Astrodienst2) 230-30-52 316-53-41 Jagnnatha3) 230-31-56 316-53-39 KhaldeaBest regards,tw , "karivadana" <karivadana> wrote:> To > The Moderator and other members,> > Dear Sirs,> > > Good morning,> > I am one of the new members recently joined in our group.> We all know that the usage of various ayanamsas give difference > results in chart making. > > The difference is found not only in graha and bhava sphutas but also > in dwadasa vargas i.e., navamsa etc., the balance dasa years. Some > soft wares provide sub and sub-sub system for other than k.p. > ayanamsa also.> > I purchased Janus Astrology software> Kalavedifc software> Jagannatha Horalite (downloaded freely)> Astro Kundali of Dr. Karekar of Maharashtra> Divya Excellent Software from Bangalore> Horoscope explorer from Public Soft Delhi> Kundali> The software prepared by Tanjore V. Gopalakrishnan > (freely got)> > The charts created through these different programs differ in Bhava > Sphutas and Graha sphutas, and subs, though I use only k.p. > ayanamsa. . In long. And Lat. Degrees for cities also they > differ. > > I am confused. > Though I predict with 95 to 98 percent accuracy still my question is > why the difference occurs?> I request all the members to enlighten me in this regard.> Good luck> pmg India Matrimony: Find your life partner online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 Dear Tin Win, I have high regard for your posts and your comments - keep it up. However, I would like to point out something in your post of Leonardo da Vinci's birth data. > Leonardo da Vinci, 23 April 1452, 9-40 PM LMT, UT-0.44, 20:56:20 > GMT, Vinci, Italy, 43N47, 10E55, Sid Time 11:47:47, using the same > NKPA 16:07:46-- You gave the date of 23 April 1452. A check of a number of websites after doing a Google search, reveals that he was born on 15 April 1452. The date and time stated in Astrodatabank's files is 14 April 1452, 9.40pm, Vinci - the rest as you have it. I cannot be certain of the exact source of Astrodatabank's birth data but they are usually correct. Where did you source the 23 April 1452 date? His name has gained prominence in recent times with the book (and movie in production) of " The Da Vinci Code " . A good story by the way. Regards, Neville , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > Dear karivadana, > > > I-- DIFFERENCES IN LAT & LOG > > 1. For details pl refer to Msg#3150 and Msg#2875 the Craze for > Accuracy. > > 2. For example, London, UK > > Astrodienst (Zurich)--51N30,00W10 > Astro-Kundli----------51N32,00W55 > Jagannatha Hora 7.02--51N30,00W07 > KPAstro 2.0---------- 51N30,00W07 > > II--DIFFERENCES IN POSITIONS OF PLANETS AND CUSPS > > A-- OLD AND NEW KP AYANAMSA > > 3. Pl refer to Msg# 1530 and if necessary I can send you New KPA > Table. > > 4. New KPA is available in KP SWs – Shri Raichur's & KPAstro 2.0. > Another KP feature in those SWs is the application of " ORB Theory " > which says a planet slightly (within 1-3 deg) behind the cusp of a > house, gains the significance of the following house as though it is > in the next house, and the effect is stronger if there is no other > planet in the following house. (KP Reader IV, p 108; K.P. & > ASTROLOGY, Year Book, 2000, pp 82-83; 2003, p 45 & 2005, p 61) > > 5. Example: QUEEN ELIZABETH II, 21-04-1926, 2-40 AM DST, (1-40 GMT), > London, 51N30, 00W10, Sid Time15:32:50 > > > a) New KPA (NKPA) as per Raichur's SW and KPAstro 2.0, is 22- > 44:17. > b) Old KPA (OPKA) as per Astro-Kundli is 22:43:51 which is 26 > sec less than NKPA. > c) OKPA as per Jagannatha Hora 7.02 is 22:43:18.80 which is 58 > sec less than NKPA. > > > B—ACCURACY OF SWs > > 6. For the above example by using the same log & lat 51N30, > 00W10 and NKPA 22-44:17 --— > > ASC POSITION > > Sn Soft Ware Deg-Mn-Se SglStlSblSsl > 1) Astro-Kundli 268-38-44 Ju-Su-Ma-Ju > 2) Jagannatha 268-38-28 Ju-Su-Ma-Ju > 3) Astrodienst 268-38-28 Ju-Su-Ma-Ju > 4) KPAstro 2.0 268-38-27 Ju-Su-Ma-Ju > > > MOON POSITION > > Sn Soft Ware Deg-Mn-Se SglStlSblSsl > 1) Astro-Kundl 109-23-17 Mo-Me-Ve-Ve > 2) Jagannatha 109-23-02 Mo-Me-Ve-Ve > 3) Astrodienst 109-23-01 Mo-Me-Ve-Ve > 4) KPAstro 2.0 109-23-01 Mo-Me-Ve-Ve > > > 7. No significant differences in the above SWs. 2-3-4 are > very closed. 3 & 4 are exactly the same for positions of all planets > and cusps except only up to 1 sec due to rounding, i.e. deduction of > New KPA from 'tropical' sayana positions of Astrodienst > gives 'sidereal' nirayana positions of KPAstro 2.0. 1-3-4 use the > Swiss Ephemeris based upon the latest planetary and lunar ephemeris, > developed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory. Even though the same > Swiss Ephemeris, sometimes a slight difference between Astro- Kundli > & Astrodienst. Fine tuning of mathematical equations for the > Ephemeris and the Table of Houses may cause some differences. Dasa > balances will be different depending on Moon position. And sub or > sub sub lords also may be different depending on significant > differences in positions of planets and cusps. > > 8. In doing research by going back too far some SWs will go out > of line but 2-3 and implicitly 4 are doing well, and I use 4- > KPAstro. > > Leonardo da Vinci, 23 April 1452, 9-40 PM LMT, UT-0.44, 20:56:20 > GMT, Vinci, Italy, 43N47, 10E55, Sid Time 11:47:47, using the same > NKPA 16:07:46-- > > Sn Asc D-M-S Moon D-M-S Software > 1) 230-30-52 316-53-20 Astrodienst > 2) 230-30-52 316-53-41 Jagnnatha > 3) 230-31-56 316-53-39 Khaldea > > > Best regards, > > tw > > > , " karivadana " <karivadana> > wrote: > > To > > The Moderator and other members, > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > Good morning, > > > > I am one of the new members recently joined in our group. > > We all know that the usage of various ayanamsas give difference > > results in chart making. > > > > The difference is found not only in graha and bhava sphutas but > also > > in dwadasa vargas i.e., navamsa etc., the balance dasa years. > Some > > soft wares provide sub and sub-sub system for other than k.p. > > ayanamsa also. > > > > I purchased Janus Astrology software > > Kalavedifc software > > Jagannatha Horalite (downloaded freely) > > Astro Kundali of Dr. Karekar of Maharashtra > > Divya Excellent Software from Bangalore > > Horoscope explorer from Public Soft Delhi > > Kundali > > The software prepared by Tanjore V. Gopalakrishnan > > (freely got) > > > > The charts created through these different programs differ in > Bhava > > Sphutas and Graha sphutas, and subs, though I use only k.p. > > ayanamsa. . In long. And Lat. Degrees for cities also they > > differ. > > > > I am confused. > > Though I predict with 95 to 98 percent accuracy still my question > is > > why the difference occurs? > > I request all the members to enlighten me in this regard. > > Good luck > > pmg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 Dear Neville, Thanks for your kind words and any question for the study of KP is always welcome for the Guruji's lovely spirit. Please see the following reference of Astrodatabank. http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/daVinciLeonardo.htm Regards, tw , " Neville Lang " <neville@a...> wrote: > Dear Tin Win, > > I have high regard for your posts and your comments - keep it up. > However, I would like to point out something in your post of > Leonardo da Vinci's birth data. > > > Leonardo da Vinci, 23 April 1452, 9-40 PM LMT, UT-0.44, 20:56:20 > > GMT, Vinci, Italy, 43N47, 10E55, Sid Time 11:47:47, using the same > > NKPA 16:07:46-- > > You gave the date of 23 April 1452. A check of a number of websites > after doing a Google search, reveals that he was born on 15 April > 1452. The date and time stated in Astrodatabank's files is 14 April > 1452, 9.40pm, Vinci - the rest as you have it. > > I cannot be certain of the exact source of Astrodatabank's birth > data but they are usually correct. Where did you source the 23 April > 1452 date? > > His name has gained prominence in recent times with the book (and > movie in production) of " The Da Vinci Code " . A good story by the way. > > Regards, > Neville > > > > , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > > Dear karivadana, > > > > > > I-- DIFFERENCES IN LAT & LOG > > > > 1. For details pl refer to Msg#3150 and Msg#2875 the Craze for > > Accuracy. > > > > 2. For example, London, UK > > > > Astrodienst (Zurich)--51N30,00W10 > > Astro-Kundli----------51N32,00W55 > > Jagannatha Hora 7.02--51N30,00W07 > > KPAstro 2.0---------- 51N30,00W07 > > > > II--DIFFERENCES IN POSITIONS OF PLANETS AND CUSPS > > > > A-- OLD AND NEW KP AYANAMSA > > > > 3. Pl refer to Msg# 1530 and if necessary I can send you New KPA > > Table. > > > > 4. New KPA is available in KP SWs – Shri Raichur's & KPAstro 2.0. > > Another KP feature in those SWs is the application of " ORB Theory " > > which says a planet slightly (within 1-3 deg) behind the cusp of a > > house, gains the significance of the following house as though it > is > > in the next house, and the effect is stronger if there is no other > > planet in the following house. (KP Reader IV, p 108; K.P. & > > ASTROLOGY, Year Book, 2000, pp 82-83; 2003, p 45 & 2005, p 61) > > > > 5. Example: QUEEN ELIZABETH II, 21-04-1926, 2-40 AM DST, (1-40 > GMT), > > London, 51N30, 00W10, Sid Time15:32:50 > > > > > > a) New KPA (NKPA) as per Raichur's SW and KPAstro 2.0, is 22- > > 44:17. > > b) Old KPA (OPKA) as per Astro-Kundli is 22:43:51 which is 26 > > sec less than NKPA. > > c) OKPA as per Jagannatha Hora 7.02 is 22:43:18.80 which is 58 > > sec less than NKPA. > > > > > > B—ACCURACY OF SWs > > > > 6. For the above example by using the same log & lat 51N30, > > 00W10 and NKPA 22-44:17 --— > > > > ASC POSITION > > > > Sn Soft Ware Deg-Mn-Se SglStlSblSsl > > 1) Astro-Kundli 268-38-44 Ju-Su-Ma-Ju > > 2) Jagannatha 268-38-28 Ju-Su-Ma-Ju > > 3) Astrodienst 268-38-28 Ju-Su-Ma-Ju > > 4) KPAstro 2.0 268-38-27 Ju-Su-Ma-Ju > > > > > > MOON POSITION > > > > Sn Soft Ware Deg-Mn-Se SglStlSblSsl > > 1) Astro-Kundl 109-23-17 Mo-Me-Ve-Ve > > 2) Jagannatha 109-23-02 Mo-Me-Ve-Ve > > 3) Astrodienst 109-23-01 Mo-Me-Ve-Ve > > 4) KPAstro 2.0 109-23-01 Mo-Me-Ve-Ve > > > > > > 7. No significant differences in the above SWs. 2-3-4 are > > very closed. 3 & 4 are exactly the same for positions of all > planets > > and cusps except only up to 1 sec due to rounding, i.e. deduction > of > > New KPA from 'tropical' sayana positions of Astrodienst > > gives 'sidereal' nirayana positions of KPAstro 2.0. 1-3-4 use the > > Swiss Ephemeris based upon the latest planetary and lunar > ephemeris, > > developed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory. Even though the > same > > Swiss Ephemeris, sometimes a slight difference between Astro- > Kundli > > & Astrodienst. Fine tuning of mathematical equations for the > > Ephemeris and the Table of Houses may cause some differences. Dasa > > balances will be different depending on Moon position. And sub or > > sub sub lords also may be different depending on significant > > differences in positions of planets and cusps. > > > > 8. In doing research by going back too far some SWs will go out > > of line but 2-3 and implicitly 4 are doing well, and I use 4- > > KPAstro. > > > > Leonardo da Vinci, 23 April 1452, 9-40 PM LMT, UT-0.44, 20:56:20 > > GMT, Vinci, Italy, 43N47, 10E55, Sid Time 11:47:47, using the same > > NKPA 16:07:46-- > > > > Sn Asc D-M-S Moon D-M-S Software > > 1) 230-30-52 316-53-20 Astrodienst > > 2) 230-30-52 316-53-41 Jagnnatha > > 3) 230-31-56 316-53-39 Khaldea > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > tw > > > > > > , " karivadana " <karivadana> > > wrote: > > > To > > > The Moderator and other members, > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > > > > Good morning, > > > > > > I am one of the new members recently joined in our group. > > > We all know that the usage of various ayanamsas give difference > > > results in chart making. > > > > > > The difference is found not only in graha and bhava sphutas but > > also > > > in dwadasa vargas i.e., navamsa etc., the balance dasa years. > > Some > > > soft wares provide sub and sub-sub system for other than k.p. > > > ayanamsa also. > > > > > > I purchased Janus Astrology software > > > Kalavedifc software > > > Jagannatha Horalite (downloaded freely) > > > Astro Kundali of Dr. Karekar of Maharashtra > > > Divya Excellent Software from Bangalore > > > Horoscope explorer from Public Soft Delhi > > > Kundali > > > The software prepared by Tanjore V. Gopalakrishnan > > > (freely got) > > > > > > The charts created through these different programs differ in > > Bhava > > > Sphutas and Graha sphutas, and subs, though I use only k.p. > > > ayanamsa. . In long. And Lat. Degrees for cities also they > > > differ. > > > > > > I am confused. > > > Though I predict with 95 to 98 percent accuracy still my > question > > is > > > why the difference occurs? > > > I request all the members to enlighten me in this regard. > > > Good luck > > > pmg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2005 Report Share Posted May 8, 2005 Dear Tin Win, Of course! The problem that I did not see immediately is the differences between the older Julian calendar, under which da Vinci was born, and the later Gregorian calendar for charts of people born before 15 October 1582. This date was the adoption of the Gregorian calendar by the Holy Roman Empire. At this time, Pope Gregory XIII, annulled 10 days. In the case of Leonardo da Vinci, the date cited - 23 April 1452 - is the Gregorian calendar equivalent (or New Style as used in some software like Solar Fire for these dates). The Julian calendar equivalent (Old Style) for that date is to subtract 9 days from the Gregorian calendar date, and so we get 14 April 1452. This item reminds me of the difficulites for casting charts in earlier times due to these changes of calendar. For example, Great Britain, USA and, I think, India did not change over to the Gregorian calendar until 14 September 1752. Such was the difficulties between Catholics and Protestants at that time. Russia did not change to the Gregorian calandar until 1918 - the year of the Russian Revolution. According to Fred Gettings (The Arkana Dictionary of Astrology), Turkey was the last country to adopt the Gregorian calendar in 1926. The Julian calendar came into existance in 45 BC following an order by Julius Caesar to reform the ancient Roman calendar. This change was important as it marked the change over from the ancient Roman Lunar-based calendar to the Sun-based Julian calendar. The old Roman calendar had only 10 months in its year, beginning from March up to December. In fact, you can still see the remnants today in the naming of the months - September (7th month), October (8th month), November (9th month) and December (10th month). Interestingly, July and August were named after Julius Caesar and Augustus Caesar respectively. Previously, those months were called Quintilis and Sextilis. At the switch over to the Julian calendar, two months were added, January (Janus' month) and February (the month of Februa). Here is a link for more information on the history of the names of the months in the calendar: www.crowl.org/Lawrence/time/months.html. Regards, Neville , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > Dear Neville, > > > Thanks for your kind words and any question for the study of KP is > always welcome for the Guruji's lovely spirit. > > Please see the following reference of Astrodatabank. > > > http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/daVinciLeonardo.htm > > > Regards, > > tw > > > , " Neville Lang " <neville@a...> > wrote: > > Dear Tin Win, > > > > I have high regard for your posts and your comments - keep it up. > > However, I would like to point out something in your post of > > Leonardo da Vinci's birth data. > > > > > Leonardo da Vinci, 23 April 1452, 9-40 PM LMT, UT-0.44, 20:56:20 > > > GMT, Vinci, Italy, 43N47, 10E55, Sid Time 11:47:47, using the > same > > > NKPA 16:07:46-- > > > > You gave the date of 23 April 1452. A check of a number of > websites > > after doing a Google search, reveals that he was born on 15 April > > 1452. The date and time stated in Astrodatabank's files is 14 > April > > 1452, 9.40pm, Vinci - the rest as you have it. > > > > I cannot be certain of the exact source of Astrodatabank's birth > > data but they are usually correct. Where did you source the 23 > April > > 1452 date? > > > > His name has gained prominence in recent times with the book (and > > movie in production) of " The Da Vinci Code " . A good story by the > way. > > > > Regards, > > Neville > > > > > > > > , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > > > Dear karivadana, > > > > > > > > > I-- DIFFERENCES IN LAT & LOG > > > > > > 1. For details pl refer to Msg#3150 and Msg#2875 the Craze for > > > Accuracy. > > > > > > 2. For example, London, UK > > > > > > Astrodienst (Zurich)--51N30,00W10 > > > Astro-Kundli----------51N32,00W55 > > > Jagannatha Hora 7.02--51N30,00W07 > > > KPAstro 2.0---------- 51N30,00W07 > > > > > > II--DIFFERENCES IN POSITIONS OF PLANETS AND CUSPS > > > > > > A-- OLD AND NEW KP AYANAMSA > > > > > > 3. Pl refer to Msg# 1530 and if necessary I can send you New KPA > > > Table. > > > > > > 4. New KPA is available in KP SWs – Shri Raichur's & KPAstro > 2.0. > > > Another KP feature in those SWs is the application of " ORB > Theory " > > > which says a planet slightly (within 1-3 deg) behind the cusp of > a > > > house, gains the significance of the following house as though > it > > is > > > in the next house, and the effect is stronger if there is no > other > > > planet in the following house. (KP Reader IV, p 108; K.P. & > > > ASTROLOGY, Year Book, 2000, pp 82-83; 2003, p 45 & 2005, p 61) > > > > > > 5. Example: QUEEN ELIZABETH II, 21-04-1926, 2-40 AM DST, (1-40 > > GMT), > > > London, 51N30, 00W10, Sid Time15:32:50 > > > > > > > > > a) New KPA (NKPA) as per Raichur's SW and KPAstro 2.0, is 22- > > > 44:17. > > > b) Old KPA (OPKA) as per Astro-Kundli is 22:43:51 which is 26 > > > sec less than NKPA. > > > c) OKPA as per Jagannatha Hora 7.02 is 22:43:18.80 which is 58 > > > sec less than NKPA. > > > > > > > > > B—ACCURACY OF SWs > > > > > > 6. For the above example by using the same log & lat 51N30, > > > 00W10 and NKPA 22-44:17 --— > > > > > > ASC POSITION > > > > > > Sn Soft Ware Deg-Mn-Se SglStlSblSsl > > > 1) Astro-Kundli 268-38-44 Ju-Su-Ma-Ju > > > 2) Jagannatha 268-38-28 Ju-Su-Ma-Ju > > > 3) Astrodienst 268-38-28 Ju-Su-Ma-Ju > > > 4) KPAstro 2.0 268-38-27 Ju-Su-Ma-Ju > > > > > > > > > MOON POSITION > > > > > > Sn Soft Ware Deg-Mn-Se SglStlSblSsl > > > 1) Astro-Kundl 109-23-17 Mo-Me-Ve-Ve > > > 2) Jagannatha 109-23-02 Mo-Me-Ve-Ve > > > 3) Astrodienst 109-23-01 Mo-Me-Ve-Ve > > > 4) KPAstro 2.0 109-23-01 Mo-Me-Ve-Ve > > > > > > > > > 7. No significant differences in the above SWs. 2-3-4 are > > > very closed. 3 & 4 are exactly the same for positions of all > > planets > > > and cusps except only up to 1 sec due to rounding, i.e. > deduction > > of > > > New KPA from 'tropical' sayana positions of Astrodienst > > > gives 'sidereal' nirayana positions of KPAstro 2.0. 1-3-4 use > the > > > Swiss Ephemeris based upon the latest planetary and lunar > > ephemeris, > > > developed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory. Even though the > > same > > > Swiss Ephemeris, sometimes a slight difference between Astro- > > Kundli > > > & Astrodienst. Fine tuning of mathematical equations for the > > > Ephemeris and the Table of Houses may cause some differences. > Dasa > > > balances will be different depending on Moon position. And sub > or > > > sub sub lords also may be different depending on significant > > > differences in positions of planets and cusps. > > > > > > 8. In doing research by going back too far some SWs will go out > > > of line but 2-3 and implicitly 4 are doing well, and I use 4- > > > KPAstro. > > > > > > Leonardo da Vinci, 23 April 1452, 9-40 PM LMT, UT-0.44, 20:56:20 > > > GMT, Vinci, Italy, 43N47, 10E55, Sid Time 11:47:47, using the > same > > > NKPA 16:07:46-- > > > > > > Sn Asc D-M-S Moon D-M-S Software > > > 1) 230-30-52 316-53-20 Astrodienst > > > 2) 230-30-52 316-53-41 Jagnnatha > > > 3) 230-31-56 316-53-39 Khaldea > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > , " karivadana " > <karivadana> > > > wrote: > > > > To > > > > The Moderator and other members, > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > > > > > > > Good morning, > > > > > > > > I am one of the new members recently joined in our group. > > > > We all know that the usage of various ayanamsas give > difference > > > > results in chart making. > > > > > > > > The difference is found not only in graha and bhava sphutas > but > > > also > > > > in dwadasa vargas i.e., navamsa etc., the balance dasa years. > > > Some > > > > soft wares provide sub and sub-sub system for other than k.p. > > > > ayanamsa also. > > > > > > > > I purchased Janus Astrology software > > > > Kalavedifc software > > > > Jagannatha Horalite (downloaded freely) > > > > Astro Kundali of Dr. Karekar of Maharashtra > > > > Divya Excellent Software from Bangalore > > > > Horoscope explorer from Public Soft Delhi > > > > Kundali > > > > The software prepared by Tanjore V. Gopalakrishnan > > > > (freely got) > > > > > > > > The charts created through these different programs differ in > > > Bhava > > > > Sphutas and Graha sphutas, and subs, though I use only k.p. > > > > ayanamsa. . In long. And Lat. Degrees for cities also they > > > > differ. > > > > > > > > I am confused. > > > > Though I predict with 95 to 98 percent accuracy still my > > question > > > is > > > > why the difference occurs? > > > > I request all the members to enlighten me in this regard. > > > > Good luck > > > > pmg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2005 Report Share Posted May 9, 2005 Dear Neville, 1. Thanks for giving the reference. I tried before to undestand the conversion of dates in cases of Leonardo, Joans of Arc & Rasputin, for not only DOB but also timeline dates. 2. As mentioned before and shown below, Loenardo's birth data with rating AA are taken from Astrodatabank which is generally supposed to be the most relable with sources of information. 3. For information some facts regarding conversion of dates are given below. Regards, tw http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/daVinciLeonardo.htm Birth Name: Leonardo da Vinci Birth 04/23/1452 (Apr 23, 1452) Birth Time: 21:40 (09:40 PM) LMT(-0:44) Birth Place: Vinci, Italy Latitude / Longitude: 43 N 47 / 10 E 55 Rodden Rating / Source: AA / Quoted BC/BR Source Notes: LMR quotes " Leonardo da Vinci, " Reynal & Co., which cites a family diary, " A grandson of mine was born April 15, Saturday, three hours into the night. " As it was Florentine time and sunset was 6:40 PM, three hours after sunset would be c. 9:40 PM which was still April 14 by modern reckoning. The conversion to NS adds nine days = April 23 NS. PC gives 10:00 PM. Blackwell gives 9:46 PM. (Noel Tyl rectifies to 10:30 PM, however he does not take Florentine time into consideration and uses the date of April 15/25, adding ten days instead of nine.) http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/JoanOfArc.htm Birth Name: Joan of Arc Birth 01/06/1412 (Jan 6, 1412) OS 01/15/1413 (Jan 15, 1413) NS Birth Time: 17:00 (05:00 PM) LMT (-0:23) Birth Place: Domremy La Pucelle, France Latitude / Longitude: 48 N 27 / 05 E 41 Rodden Rating / Source: DD / Conflicting/unverified Source Notes: B.R. in hand, Steinbrecher, giving January 6, 1412. The day correction of OS to NS is plus nine days. As France was on the Annunciation calendar, this is properly 1412/13 OS. The OS year 1413 started on March 25th, but by NS reckoning, it was already 1413 in January. A note from the Mayor accompanied the B.R. that " her hour is not exactly known; it is said she was born at the hour when roosters sang, sunrise. " Steinbrecher gives 7:50 AM LMT. Eshelman quotes Percival de Boulainvilliers, who interviewed her for Charles VII and said the Maid was born at local sunset January 6, 1412 OS. Roscoe Hope in AA 12/1978 wrote " An actual record of her birth is available according to the Rev. Denis in his biography, 1919, and is confirmed by the great French writer Js. Deteil. " Luc de Marre in Astrale Warte quotes church and family documents for " one hour after sunset. " As sunset is 4:30 PM LMT, LMR rectifies to 5:00 PM LMT by a consideration of the chart angles during events. (Prior times given included 2:00 AM from Sepharial in NN No.845 and 11:24 PM from Fagan in AA 5/1966, both spec. PC gives 4:17 PM. Blackwell gave 17:11:15 UT. All were based on January 6, 1412 OS without considering the Annunciation calendar.) http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/JoanOfArcRoddenArticle.htm For Joan of Arc's recorded birth time, Edwin Steinbrecher obtained the birth records from the Mahor of Domremy la Pucelle, for 6 January 1412. This type of reference is properly given as 1412/13, meaning that the year of 1413 began at Easter. By modern calculations, 1413 begins at January 1st, so we convert this date to 6 January 1413 Old Style which further converts from the Julian (Old Style) calendar to the Gregorian (New Style) calendar, giving us 15 January 1413 N.S. The Mayor added a note, " It is said that she was born at the hour when the roosters sang, that is, daybreak. " This hearsay report would give her a birth time of approximately 7:50 AM LMT. http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/Feedback.asp?ChartID=1774 # COMMENT BY dawn 5/2/2005 As I do vedic astrology I run off my own charts to convert them. I am having a bit of trouble with this chart. If you add 9 days you get jan 15 1412. But you have drawn the chart up for plus 1 year for some reason. ie 6 jan 1413 Plus I ran two separate sets of software and they showed the same chart as you have on 6th jan 1413.(just to double check) This has left me a bit dumbfounded. " Birth 01/06/1412 (Jan 6, 1412) OS 01/15/1413 (Jan 15, 1413) NS Birth Time: 17:00 (05:00 PM) LMT (-0:23) B.R. in hand, Steinbrecher, giving January 6, 1412. The day correction of OS to NS is plus nine days. As France was on the Annunciation calendar, this is properly 1412/13 OS. The OS year 1413 started on March 25th, but by NS reckoning, it was already 1413 in January. # EDITOR'S RESPONSE TO THE ABOVE COMMENT The subject of calendar changes is a complicated one. Our Data Collector's Handbook attempts to explain all the different permutations of date changes. Joan of Arc's birth date is even more complicated than the usual nine-day differential between Julian and Gregorian calendars; to convert her date of birth requires two steps instead of one. At the time of her birth, the Annunciation calendar was observed so we must first convert the date to Julian/OS. Second, we want to convert the Julian/OS date to Gregorian/New Style (NS) calendar. So we start knowing that she was born on Epiphany or January 6. The year of 1412 was on her birth record BUT under the Annunciation Calendar, the year started on the previous March 25 or " Annunciation Day. " (Therefore Joan of Arc was born several months after 1412 began.) Under the Julian system, since the year changed on January 1, then Joan of Arc would have been born on January 6, 1413. Now we convert the Julian/OS date to Gregorian/NS and hence you must add the nine days to get January 15, 1413. regards, Pat Taglilatelo AstroDatabank Editor # LOIS RODDEN'S COMMENT In AstroDatabank, when the birth data is recorded in OS (Old Style), we always enter the corrected NS (New Style) date and time with notations in the Source Notes of the original data given. We strongly recommend that astrologers working with Old Style dates convert them to New Style by hand before entering them into charting software. For example, when we entered Joan of Arc's OS date into Solar Fire 5 as January 6, 1412, it corrected the day shift to January 15 but did not correct the year shift to 1413. Apparently Solar Fire – and probably other charting software – have not been programmed for all of the rules for dealing with Old Style calendars. Section III of the AstroDatabank manual (soon to be on our web site) contains several pages of tables showing the year that various countries switched from OS to NS and what day of the year they used for New Year's Day. Some of these historic changes are so widely varied and obscure that we are unsure of specific conversion dates; further documentation will be added when available. The moral of the story is: don't trust software to calculate good charts based on entering OS dates. Only by entering NS dates can we trust the charts produced by today's software. Lois Rodden # CONVERSION FOR RUSPUTIN'S DOB Gregory Efimovich Rasputin was born on 22-01-1869, Sa (10-01-1869, the day of Saint Grigory in the old Julian calendar used in Russia at that time), at 11-00 PM LMT, - 4-28E, 18-32 GMT, Pokrovskoe, near Tyumen, Russia, 57N12; 65E58; (Based on the discovered birth certificate of Rasputin, AstroDatabank Research Project) , " Neville Lang " <neville@a...> wrote: > Dear Tin Win, > > Of course! The problem that I did not see immediately is the > differences between the older Julian calendar, under which da Vinci > was born, and the later Gregorian calendar for charts of people born > before 15 October 1582. This date was the adoption of the Gregorian > calendar by the Holy Roman Empire. At this time, Pope Gregory XIII, > annulled 10 days. > > In the case of Leonardo da Vinci, the date cited - 23 April 1452 - > is the Gregorian calendar equivalent (or New Style as used in some > software like Solar Fire for these dates). The Julian calendar > equivalent (Old Style) for that date is to subtract 9 days from the > Gregorian calendar date, and so we get 14 April 1452. > > This item reminds me of the difficulites for casting charts in > earlier times due to these changes of calendar. For example, Great > Britain, USA and, I think, India did not change over to the > Gregorian calendar until 14 September 1752. Such was the > difficulties between Catholics and Protestants at that time. Russia > did not change to the Gregorian calandar until 1918 - the year of > the Russian Revolution. According to Fred Gettings (The Arkana > Dictionary of Astrology), Turkey was the last country to adopt the > Gregorian calendar in 1926. > > The Julian calendar came into existance in 45 BC following an order > by Julius Caesar to reform the ancient Roman calendar. This change > was important as it marked the change over from the ancient Roman > Lunar-based calendar to the Sun-based Julian calendar. The old Roman > calendar had only 10 months in its year, beginning from March up to > December. In fact, you can still see the remnants today in the > naming of the months - September (7th month), October (8th month), > November (9th month) and December (10th month). Interestingly, July > and August were named after Julius Caesar and Augustus Caesar > respectively. Previously, those months were called Quintilis and > Sextilis. > > At the switch over to the Julian calendar, two months were added, > January (Janus' month) and February (the month of Februa). Here is a > link for more information on the history of the names of the months > in the calendar: www.crowl.org/Lawrence/time/months.html. > > Regards, > Neville > > > > , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > > Dear Neville, > > > > > > Thanks for your kind words and any question for the study of KP is > > always welcome for the Guruji's lovely spirit. > > > > Please see the following reference of Astrodatabank. > > > > > > http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/daVinciLeonardo.htm > > > > > > Regards, > > > > tw > > > > > > , " Neville Lang " <neville@a...> > > wrote: > > > Dear Tin Win, > > > > > > I have high regard for your posts and your comments - keep it > up. > > > However, I would like to point out something in your post of > > > Leonardo da Vinci's birth data. > > > > > > > Leonardo da Vinci, 23 April 1452, 9-40 PM LMT, UT-0.44, > 20:56:20 > > > > GMT, Vinci, Italy, 43N47, 10E55, Sid Time 11:47:47, using the > > same > > > > NKPA 16:07:46-- > > > > > > You gave the date of 23 April 1452. A check of a number of > > websites > > > after doing a Google search, reveals that he was born on 15 > April > > > 1452. The date and time stated in Astrodatabank's files is 14 > > April > > > 1452, 9.40pm, Vinci - the rest as you have it. > > > > > > I cannot be certain of the exact source of Astrodatabank's birth > > > data but they are usually correct. Where did you source the 23 > > April > > > 1452 date? > > > > > > His name has gained prominence in recent times with the book > (and > > > movie in production) of " The Da Vinci Code " . A good story by the > > way. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Neville > > > > > > > > > > > > , " tw853 " <tw853> wrote: > > > > Dear karivadana, > > > > > > > > > > > > I-- DIFFERENCES IN LAT & LOG > > > > > > > > 1. For details pl refer to Msg#3150 and Msg#2875 the Craze > for > > > > Accuracy. > > > > > > > > 2. For example, London, UK > > > > > > > > Astrodienst (Zurich)--51N30,00W10 > > > > Astro-Kundli----------51N32,00W55 > > > > Jagannatha Hora 7.02--51N30,00W07 > > > > KPAstro 2.0---------- 51N30,00W07 > > > > > > > > II--DIFFERENCES IN POSITIONS OF PLANETS AND CUSPS > > > > > > > > A-- OLD AND NEW KP AYANAMSA > > > > > > > > 3. Pl refer to Msg# 1530 and if necessary I can send you New > KPA > > > > Table. > > > > > > > > 4. New KPA is available in KP SWs – Shri Raichur's & KPAstro > > 2.0. > > > > Another KP feature in those SWs is the application of " ORB > > Theory " > > > > which says a planet slightly (within 1-3 deg) behind the cusp > of > > a > > > > house, gains the significance of the following house as though > > it > > > is > > > > in the next house, and the effect is stronger if there is no > > other > > > > planet in the following house. (KP Reader IV, p 108; K.P. & > > > > ASTROLOGY, Year Book, 2000, pp 82-83; 2003, p 45 & 2005, p 61) > > > > > > > > 5. Example: QUEEN ELIZABETH II, 21-04-1926, 2-40 AM DST, (1- 40 > > > GMT), > > > > London, 51N30, 00W10, Sid Time15:32:50 > > > > > > > > > > > > a) New KPA (NKPA) as per Raichur's SW and KPAstro 2.0, > is 22- > > > > 44:17. > > > > b) Old KPA (OPKA) as per Astro-Kundli is 22:43:51 which > is 26 > > > > sec less than NKPA. > > > > c) OKPA as per Jagannatha Hora 7.02 is 22:43:18.80 > which is 58 > > > > sec less than NKPA. > > > > > > > > > > > > B—ACCURACY OF SWs > > > > > > > > 6. For the above example by using the same log & lat > 51N30, > > > > 00W10 and NKPA 22-44:17 --— > > > > > > > > ASC POSITION > > > > > > > > Sn Soft Ware Deg-Mn-Se SglStlSblSsl > > > > 1) Astro-Kundli 268-38-44 Ju-Su-Ma-Ju > > > > 2) Jagannatha 268-38-28 Ju-Su-Ma-Ju > > > > 3) Astrodienst 268-38-28 Ju-Su-Ma-Ju > > > > 4) KPAstro 2.0 268-38-27 Ju-Su-Ma-Ju > > > > > > > > > > > > MOON POSITION > > > > > > > > Sn Soft Ware Deg-Mn-Se SglStlSblSsl > > > > 1) Astro-Kundl 109-23-17 Mo-Me-Ve-Ve > > > > 2) Jagannatha 109-23-02 Mo-Me-Ve-Ve > > > > 3) Astrodienst 109-23-01 Mo-Me-Ve-Ve > > > > 4) KPAstro 2.0 109-23-01 Mo-Me-Ve-Ve > > > > > > > > > > > > 7. No significant differences in the above SWs. 2-3-4 > are > > > > very closed. 3 & 4 are exactly the same for positions of all > > > planets > > > > and cusps except only up to 1 sec due to rounding, i.e. > > deduction > > > of > > > > New KPA from 'tropical' sayana positions of Astrodienst > > > > gives 'sidereal' nirayana positions of KPAstro 2.0. 1-3-4 use > > the > > > > Swiss Ephemeris based upon the latest planetary and lunar > > > ephemeris, > > > > developed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory. Even though > the > > > same > > > > Swiss Ephemeris, sometimes a slight difference between Astro- > > > Kundli > > > > & Astrodienst. Fine tuning of mathematical equations for the > > > > Ephemeris and the Table of Houses may cause some differences. > > Dasa > > > > balances will be different depending on Moon position. And sub > > or > > > > sub sub lords also may be different depending on significant > > > > differences in positions of planets and cusps. > > > > > > > > 8. In doing research by going back too far some SWs > will go out > > > > of line but 2-3 and implicitly 4 are doing well, and I use 4- > > > > KPAstro. > > > > > > > > Leonardo da Vinci, 23 April 1452, 9-40 PM LMT, UT-0.44, > 20:56:20 > > > > GMT, Vinci, Italy, 43N47, 10E55, Sid Time 11:47:47, using the > > same > > > > NKPA 16:07:46-- > > > > > > > > Sn Asc D-M-S Moon D-M-S Software > > > > 1) 230-30-52 316-53-20 Astrodienst > > > > 2) 230-30-52 316-53-41 Jagnnatha > > > > 3) 230-31-56 316-53-39 Khaldea > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > , " karivadana " > > <karivadana> > > > > wrote: > > > > > To > > > > > The Moderator and other members, > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good morning, > > > > > > > > > > I am one of the new members recently joined in our group. > > > > > We all know that the usage of various ayanamsas give > > difference > > > > > results in chart making. > > > > > > > > > > The difference is found not only in graha and bhava sphutas > > but > > > > also > > > > > in dwadasa vargas i.e., navamsa etc., the balance dasa > years. > > > > Some > > > > > soft wares provide sub and sub-sub system for other than > k.p. > > > > > ayanamsa also. > > > > > > > > > > I purchased Janus Astrology software > > > > > Kalavedifc software > > > > > Jagannatha Horalite (downloaded freely) > > > > > Astro Kundali of Dr. Karekar of Maharashtra > > > > > Divya Excellent Software from Bangalore > > > > > Horoscope explorer from Public Soft Delhi > > > > > Kundali > > > > > The software prepared by Tanjore V. > Gopalakrishnan > > > > > (freely got) > > > > > > > > > > The charts created through these different programs differ > in > > > > Bhava > > > > > Sphutas and Graha sphutas, and subs, though I use only k.p. > > > > > ayanamsa. . In long. And Lat. Degrees for cities also > they > > > > > differ. > > > > > > > > > > I am confused. > > > > > Though I predict with 95 to 98 percent accuracy still my > > > question > > > > is > > > > > why the difference occurs? > > > > > I request all the members to enlighten me in this regard. > > > > > Good luck > > > > > pmg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2007 Report Share Posted February 19, 2007 Dear pipipaka The stars do not indicate immediate return to India. pulipaka ramamohan <rm_pulipaka wrote: Dear Group Members, I need prediction. I have contacted several astrologers. But no prediction is promised. Presently I am living in Singapore. Before comming to singapore I was doing very good job in India. But now, my job is not at all good as job wise and salary wise. Hence I want to go to back to India if I get a job. But my wife is also working. Her job is permanent one and better than mine. I am MBA graduate and she is IT qualified. My prasna: Will we continue to stay in singapore or will we go back to India. if we go back to India when will we go? My number: 69 Regards, Ram Here’s a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers Good LuckRaichur A RBombay Tel 2506 2609 Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Travel to find your fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2007 Report Share Posted February 21, 2007 Sir, Thank you for your prediction. Is it possible to say when? And what will be my position in Singapore job and salary wise? Regards, RamRaichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: Dear pipipaka The stars do not indicate immediate return to India. pulipaka ramamohan <rm_pulipaka (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Group Members, I need prediction. I have contacted several astrologers. But no prediction is promised. Presently I am living in Singapore. Before comming to singapore I was doing very good job in India. But now, my job is not at all good as job wise and salary wise. Hence I want to go to back to India if I get a job. But my wife is also working. Her job is permanent one and better than mine. I am MBA graduate and she is IT qualified. My prasna: Will we continue to stay in singapore or will we go back to India. if we go back to India when will we go? My number: 69 Regards, Ram Here’s a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers Good LuckRaichur A RBombay Tel 2506 2609 Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Travel to find your fit. Here’s a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Dear Amit Your chart indicates foreign travel & possibility of residence in foreign land. Ur planets are favouring foreign travel, if u try to avoid it will lead u to frustration. It is advisable to go by what our planets have in store for us. With Warm Regards Haresh(Harry)Nathani www.astronathani.com Vedic Astologer Cell +91 98672 14103 (Mumbai,India) Amit Sinha <sinhazz vedic astrology Tuesday, 29 January, 2008 5:14:50 PM [vedic astrology] Confusion Hi All, Though I am learning vedic astrology from all the groups, but still I dont want to see my chart. Please have a look at it and suggest me. I have obtained very good opportunity in career. The opportunity shifts my layer of working; from software development to technology consultancy and pre-sales for an organization involved in IT sec urities. My profile would demand me to travel throughout the SAARC region and perform these operations. In my current job I am working as a software architect and currently heading version 1 of my product. Should I make the switch or should I wait. MY details are 8th May,1979 TOB: 4:50 AM Place Lucknow Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. Go to http://in.messenger./webmessengerpromo.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Dear Amit Sinha Ji, Namaskar, You will get very nice oppotunity in Feb. Pl try to get attach with government authority. Lord of 3'rd, 6'th and 8'th are in La so showing some leadership quality. Thanks, Prashant Pandey Amit Sinha <sinhazz wrote: Hi All, Though I am learning vedic astrology from all the groups, but still I dont want to see my chart. Please have a look at it and suggest me. I have obtained very good opportunity in career. The opportunity shifts my layer of working; from software development to technology consultancy and pre-sales for an organization involved in IT sec urities. My profile would demand me to travel throughout the SAARC region and perform these operations. In my current job I am working as a software architect and currently heading version 1 of my product. Should I make the switch or should I wait. MY details are 8th May,1979 TOB: 4:50 AM Place Lucknow Now you can chat without downloading messenger. Click here to know how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Amit, Without using astrology, with my experience in Software Industry, I w'd suggest u to accept Software Architect's job and should begin technical consultancy but avoid activism in Pre Sales functions, sales line is entirely different, however, Pre Sales may give u insight to design benchmark products, looks an added advantage but not a direct advantage to get the next rung in ur career ladder. regards, Lalit. Vedic Astrologyandhealing , " Amit Sinha " <sinhazz wrote: > > Hi All, > Though I am learning vedic astrology from all the groups, but still I > dont want to see my chart. Please have a look at it and suggest me. > I have obtained very good opportunity in career. The opportunity > shifts my layer of working; from software development to technology > consultancy and pre-sales for an organization involved in IT sec > urities. My profile would demand me to travel throughout the SAARC > region and perform these operations. In my current job I am working as > a software architect and currently heading version 1 of my product. > > Should I make the switch or should I wait. > MY details are 8th May,1979 > TOB: 4:50 AM > Place Lucknow > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 Respeced Group Members, Plz explain below lines which is taken from 1942 edition page no.13 line no.14-15 " Es ghar ko sab grahon ne izaat se dekha hey- na es rashi ka nich grah hey na hi shukkar ya Luxmi ne kisi rashi ko neech kiya hey yani neech karney vale grahon ke namon main shukkar ka naam kahin nahin milta. " I am highly obliged if any body explain in details. Because i understand that " shukkar " ne khana no. 6 arthat Kanya Rashi ko neech kiya hey. Thanks Regaeds Umesh Sharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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