LK discussion group PUNCHING COPPER NAILS

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Respected Pardeep ji,

thanx for sharing your knowldge.

Regards

Kunwar Vishal

 

, pradeep yadav <inboxpradeep

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> Respected Sharat ji and Vishal ji,

> If we are talking about pure copper here then I would say it is sufficient

hard. Though it is prone to JUNG but hard enough to act as a nail.

> BTW. let me add that my father has already made eicher(a

tractor manufacturer) to replace some of its iron part by copper just to reduce

the weight with same tensile strength. And that change is positive in terms of

quality(though with more cost).

> regards,--Pradeep.

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Respected Sharat ji,

>                             Aap ki baat me dum

hai.lekin mai nahi janta ki copper  itna hard hota hai ya nahi.yadi sach me

copper itna hard nahi hota to iska rehsya jarror khoja ja sakta hai.hum test

karwa sakte hai us COPPER NAIL mai koi aur mettal mix hai ya nahi.baki sab group

members b apni rai awashys likhey

> Regards

> Kunwar Vishal

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> --- On Sat, 5/12/09, sharat pandit <sharatpandit@ gmail.com> wrote:

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> Dear Vishal ji

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> Copper is not a very hard metal, is something to be added to copper to made it

hard enough to be used as nails for this upaya.

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> regards

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> Sharat

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> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 1:07 PM, vishalastrologer gandhi <vishalastrologer@

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> Respected Varun Ji & Mahajan ji,

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> maine ye upay apney dost ko last sunday 22 nov ko karwaya tha.kyoki wo apne

kamkaaj ki wajah se disturb tha.magar upay ke baad usko raat ko neend bahut

achhi aati hai.ab raat ko uski neend nahi khulti.nahi to tension ke karan wo

proper so nahi pata tha.magar upay dhan,kammaaj tatha man ki shanti ke liye hi

karwaya tha.kaamkaj aur man ki shanti me koi positive result abi tak samne nahi

aaya.magar upay ke baad neend bahut sound aati hai.abi 12 baje uska phone aaya

tha.so mai feedback de raha hu.pujya pandit ji ko jo gyan tha wo jaroori nahi ki

unki kitabon me poora gyan ho ya hum use poori tarah se samajh sake,magar

discuss karke kisi

> natije par jaroor pahunch sakte hai.LAL KITAB ME KUCHCH UPAY AISE HAI JO KI

GRAH APNI VISHESH STHITI ME NA B HO TO B TARUNT ASAR KARTE HAI AUR HUM LOG UNKA

LOGIC NAHI DHUND PA RAHE.yeh ek gaibi (RABBI) GYAN hai.jo tatwon ko proper janta

hai wo hi rekh me mekh kar sakta hai.hum log kewal grehon ke tatwon ko jante hai

..un tatwo me her pher kar ke body ki aura ke tatwon me her pher hone karke unka

asar hum mesoos karte hai.jo insaan is kaliyug me insaani jeewan ko sukhi karne

ke liye bina kisi swarth ke LAL KITAB RUPI GYAN KO DUNIYA KO DEKAR BHALA KAR

SAKTA HAI WO INSAAN KITNA NEK HOGA AUR US KO KUDRAT KYO NA APNA BHED DEGI.mera

matlab pujya pundit ji se hai.jo gyan unko tha wahan tak pahunchane me samay lag

sakta hai aur wo b kudrat ki marji par hai.mere dimag me bahut baar aata hai ki

pandit ji ko gyan kahan se aur kaise aaya.bahut khoj b ki.magar kuch khas malum

nahi chal paya.jis baat ka sambandh lal kitab se hai usko aap logon ke saath

jaroor bantna

> chahu ga.mere ek mittar hai

> ludhiana me hi rehte hai.unse jyotish ki

> discuss hoti rehti hai .unhone bataya ki aaj se takriban 22 saal pehle ek

sardaar ji the jo bijli vibagh me the.unka naam nahi likh raha hu khas karno

se.wo jyotish b karte the.magar unke upay lal kitab se bahut milte the.magar jo

upay unhone bataye unka asar b tarunt hota tha.misaal ke tour par ek kapde ki

phari lagata tha yani ki sarak par .magar uska godam tha jahan par wo stock

rakhta tha.uska kaam kaaj band ho raha tha .sale na ke barabar thi.wo sardar ji

ke paas aaya.SARDAAR JI NE USE BEEKH(BEG) MANGNE KE LIYE KAHA UR US BHEEKH KE

SIKKE KA KHUCH KARNA THA.US UPAY KE TEEN DINON KE ANDAR USKA SARA MAAL JO GODAM

ME THA WO B BIK GYA.jab mere mittar ne unse iska raaj pucha to unhone bataya ki

unke paas jo gyan hai wo onko unke nana ji ki kitab RAWAN SAHINTA se mila

hai.lal kitab b lal kitab se kafi haad tak milti hai magar proper nahi.yeh shaba

inke the.unke kayi aur b kisse mere mittar ne mujhe

> sunaye.is

> liye rhasya janne ke liye hum sab ko mehnat karni hogi.wo gyan abi chchupa hua

hai.is liye sab apni apni khoj me lagey rahey.is behas me koi  neecha ya uncha

nahi.ab jo upay kiya gya RESULT TO USKA POSITIVE HI MILA.KYOKI CHANDER LAGAN KA

YEH UPAY BATAYA GYA HAI ,BESHAK DHAN KE LIYE NA SAHI NEEND KE LIYE HI SAHI.JIS

TARAH SE USKI NEEND HARAM HO GAYI THI WO INSAAN DIPRESSION ME B JA SAKTA

THA.YADI KOI SIDE EFFECT HOTA TO BAAT JAROR THE.

> Regards

> Kunwar Vishal

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> Dear Kulbir bhai,

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> 1952 urdu ed; page 1005

>            grahon ki mutallika khanawar ashiya

> Sun : house # 11  ' surkh tamba'

> Pt. Roopchand ji did associate 'surkh tamba' with the sun.

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> Regards,

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> > Varun ji,

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> > That's why i call your goodself a ready reckoner;

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> > but this issue needs a little more deliberations;

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> > 1952 mars in 4th last line;sooraj (TAMBA, gur, gehun), chandra (quan, ghoda,

chandi),brahspat ( sona, bazurag, sadhu,) ko qayam karen.

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> > here there is no reference of tamba being surakh. its plain copper.

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> > Regards

> > Kulbir

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> > , " varun_trvd " varun_trvd@

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> > > Dear Kulbir bhai,

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> > > I am quoting the Sanskrit shlok in the context of Tamba [copper] from

> > > Uttarkalamrit by Kalidas. I wish I had a scanner and could have uploaded

> > > the image form of the shloks themselves.

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> > > Uttar Kalamrit [by kalidas]

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> > > Khand 5 karkatwa khand

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> > > Surya

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> > > Shlok : 25 [relevant line only]

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> > > hriswa poorvdigish tamrarudhire rajyam cha rakta patah

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> > > hriswa = small body [opposite of dirgh]

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> poorvdigish = lord of the east direction

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> > > tamrarudhire = copper which is like blood

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> > > rajyam = state

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> > > cha = and

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> > > rakta = red

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> > > patah = cloth

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> > > Shlok : 33 [relevant

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> > > raktam tambra vichitravastra yamdigvaktre cha tadikpriyah

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> > > raktam = blood

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> > > tambra = copper

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> > > vichitravastra = unusual clothes

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> > > yamdigvaktre = facing south direction

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> > > [yamdik = direction of yam = south]

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> > > cha = and

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> > > ta =

> that

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> > > dik = direction

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> > > priyah = loving

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> > > [tadikpriyah = one who loves that direction]

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> > > Therefore Uttar Kalamrit makes a distinction between

> > > ‘tambrarudhire’ and ‘tabram’. It considers

> > > the blood red [surkh] copper as a karak of the sun, where as an ordinary

> > > copper is considered a karak of

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> > > Lal Kitab while describing the Sun also uses the same imagery when it

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> > > ‘surkh tambe ki tarah [ ye sooraj ka rang hai]

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> > > Lal Kitab 1942 ed; page 113; line 4

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> > > Pt. Roopchand ji qualified the word ‘tamba’ with another

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> > word ‘surkh’ while describing the Sun. He could have

> > > easily said ‘ tambe ki tarah’, instead chose to say

> > > ‘surkh tambe ki tarah’. It proves that even he made a

> > > distinction between ‘tamba’ and ‘surkh

> > > tamba’

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> > > As for the relationship between the Sun and the Mars the book says:

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> > > “ sooraj

> ne garami,gussa, tej baksha hai to nek soorajwale ne khud

> > > haath se kamaya aur baap ka saath diya hoga | sooraj apane jism se

> > > doosaron ki madad karne ki taqat ka malik hai aur use roshni mana hai |

> > > saradi [Chandra], garami [ bajat-e-khud apani sooraj ki taqat] ; laali

> > > [mangal] aur khaali jagah mein har waqt maujood hona [budh ka aakash]

> > > iske zaroori pahaloo hain|†[ Lal Kitab; 1942 ed; page 112]

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> > > Therefore Mars is an essential component of the Sun.

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> > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@>

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> > > > Varun ji;

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> > > > i was looking for data on the subject under consideration;

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> > > > i read Chamatkar chintamani by Brajbiharilal sharma

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> > > > in this book also

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> > > > Sun and Mars both the planets are shown as signifying Copper by

> > > Kalidas. here raqt-tamba is written for mars. may be it is raqt, tamba

> > > misprinted as raqt-tamba or it is what we are referring to as surakh

> > > tamba in lalkitab.

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> > > > from lalkitab angle honey is of copper like colour; but sweat in taste

> > > and taken as

> shay of mars.

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> > > > Copper coins, Copper square pieces, Copper nails , these are the three

> > > shapes/types mentioned in lalkitab.

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> > > > Copper coins being used most of the times.the royal seal might have

> > > led to the prominence to being its significator of Sun.

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> > > > could you please explain as to how is this raqt-tamba may be what is

> > > written in lalkitab as

> surakh-tamba, different from ordinary tamba

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> > > > i think the relationship between sun and mars has to be studied in

> > > order to understand the significance of copper.

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> > > > working on it, may be with your blessings will reach some conclusion.

> > > > regards

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> > > > Kulbir

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> > > > > Aadarneeya Mahajan ji,

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> > > > > Aap ka vishwash hai ki tamba sirf aur sirf Surya ka karak hai; aur

> > > hamara vishwash hai ki chamakdar tamba surya ka karak hai tatha bina

> > > chamakwala tamba mangal ka karak hai. Bhartiya Vedic Jyotish mein Tamba

> > > sirf aur sirf mangal ka hi karak mana

> gaya hai.

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> > > > > Aap apne vichar par drarh hai aur hum apne vichar par.

> > > > >

> > > > > Academic dialogue ke liye yah avashyak nahi hai ki humare vichar ya

> > > soch ek hi ho. vicharon mein matbhed ke bavjood academic samvaad bana

> > > rah sakta hai.

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> > > > > ab aap bhi yah mante hain ki 'sirf aur sirf Rahu hi raat ko neend

> > > mein khalal dalta

> hai'

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> > > > > hum isi nishakarsh ko aur aage barha kar khaat ke paayon mein gaarhi

> > > gayee tambe ki keelon ke role ko Rahu par niyantran rakhne wale ke roop

> > > mein dekhte hain. Jaisa sarva vidit hai ki kewal ek hi grah hai jo Rahu

> > > par niyantran rakha sakta hai aur vah hai mangal.

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> > > > > Academic discussion mein vicharon ka takrav, matbhed to rahega hi.

> > > bas

> itana dhyan rakhana hai ki hum apna sanyam na kho den, tatha bhasha

> > > mein kataksha na rahe.

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> > > > > hum vicharon mein matbhedon ke bavjood saath saath chal sakte hain;

> > > ek doosare ke prati sadbhavana rakh sakte hain; saath hi bhasha par

> > > niyantran rakhte huye samvaad banaye rakh sakte hain.

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> > > > > Aadar sahit,

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> > > > > Varun

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> > > > > > Varun Jee,

> > > > > > Ek baar fir se dhanyawad ki

> aapnae mere vichar jyon ke tyon dhar

> > > diye, jiske liye mein aapka tahe-dil se shukriya ada karta hoon.

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> > > > > > Abb rahi baat yeh ki neend mein khalal kaun dalta hai, woh sirf

> > > aur sirf rahu ka hee kaam hai, puri tarah se sehmat hoon.?

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> > > > > > Abb baat rahi Tamba ki woh kya hai, woh sirf aur sirf SURAJ hai

> > > aur kuchh nahi, jisse aap shining

> wala TAMBA keh rahe hain woh SURAJ

> > > khana no 11 kee ashiyan hai.

> > > > > > ?

> > > > > > Jaise ki sab ko maloom hoga ki LAL KITAB mein khana-war ashiyan

> > > bhee hain, samjhane ke liye aap budh ya ketu ka udharan le sakte hain,

> > > yeh dono kisi khana mein to beta/beta hain kisi mein bhatija/bhatiji

> > > aadhi hain.

> > > > > > ?

> > > > > > Fir se SURAJ khana no 11 mein aata

> hoon, yahan par(khana-11) mein

> > > shani ka adhikar hai, SURAJ kuchh na kuchh kamzor hota hai, issliye

> > > yahan par SURAJ ko mangal kee sahayata se bal diya hai taki woh kamzor

> > > na ho (shining-mangal) agar tamba shining mein nahi hai to bhee woh

> > > SURAJ hee hai lekin uss mein grahan laga hoga iss liye sirf aur sirf

> > > shining ko khana 11 mein mahatata dee gayee hai, kyonki khana 11 , khana

> > > no 3 se bhee preshan hai

> yahan par budh aur mangal ka adhikar hai, lekin

> > > unch rahu hai, jo ki SURAJ ko (rahu hee) grahan laga sakta hai iss liye

> > > khana 11 mein TAMBA kee shining par Pujya Pandit jee ne dhayan diya

> > > hai.Agar Tamba mein chamak nahi hogi(matlab sirf meil/dust laga ho)to

> > > uss par thoda sa rahu ka asar ya suraj ko grahan laga hoga jisko ki aap

> > > safai se door kar sakte hain.

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> > Issko aap youn samjhe ki zydatar cases mein jaise beta ketu hai

> > > (samjha jata hai jab ki woh har khana mein alag rishta rakhta hai) waise

> > > hee TAMBA suraj hai sirf uski chamak hai to woh khana no 11 ka SURAJ

> > > hai.Sirf aur sirf chamak wala TAMBA hee SURAJ samjhana mere khayal se

> > > aap jaise vidhwano ko shobha nahi deta,ya kisi aur kee nazar se dekhna

> > > mere khayal se uchit nahi hoga.Fir bhee agar koi sanshay ho to

> mein

> > > aapki sewa mein hazir hoon.

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