Guest guest Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Respected members; How to synchronize the various/different principles; to decode the proper application of month kundali in accordance with principles of Lalkitab. What is the basis to study ? I mean how much in details should we study this ? Is it effective in showing nature of results as native will face in his Life ? What about the remedial measures related to monthly chart ? Regards Kulbir Bains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 shri kulbir ji Mas kundali varsh phal kundali ko adhar man kar banayi jati hai. Is mein sooraj ko mahatva diya gaya hai. Jis mahine ki kundali banana ho us mahina number ke ghar mein sooraj ko sthapit kar dete hai. udaharan ke liye kisi jatak ke 30 ve varsh ke 5 ve mahine ki kundali banana hai to pahale 30 ve varsh ki varsh phal kundali banayege. Phir varsh phal kundali ke sooraj ko 5ve khane mein rakh kar shesh grahon ko usi kram mein mas kundali mein sthapit karege jis kram mein grah varsh phal kundali mein hai. Yahan dhyan rakh ne ki bat hai ki sooraj ko 5 ghar nahi chalayege balki us ko sthapit karenge. Varsh phal kundali mein sooraj kisi bhi khane mein baitha ho vahan se sooraj ko us khane mein baitha denge jis mahine ki kundali banana hai. Baki ki kundali jaise ki din kundali ghanta kundali ityadi ke liye grahon ko chalaya jata hai na ki sthapit kiya jata hai. Din kundali ke liye , mahine ki kundali ko adhar mana jata hai. Udaharn ke liye mahine ke 11ve din ki kundali banana hai to mas kundali mein jis ghar mein mangal baitha hai us ghar se mangal ko 11 ghar chalaya jayega. Mere vichar se mas kundali ka adhyayan bhi unhi siddhanton par kiya jayega jin par janma kundali, varsh phal kundali adi ka kiya jata hai. Jahan tak is kundali ki upyogita ka prshna hai to iske bare mein bahut kam parhne ko milta hai. Swayam lal kitab mein bhi is kundali ka upyog nahi kiya gaya hai. Yadi kisi lal kitab vidwan ne mas kundali ka upyog kiya ho to avashya batayen Snehakanshi, Anand , " kulbir " <kulbirbains wrote: > > Respected members; > > How to synchronize the various/different principles; to decode the proper application of month kundali in accordance with principles of Lalkitab. > > What is the basis to study ? > I mean how much in details should we study this ? > Is it effective in showing nature of results as native will face in his Life ? > What about the remedial measures related to monthly chart ? > > > > Regards > Kulbir Bains. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Dear Kulbir bhai, Res Anand ji has already explained how to cast a month horoscope. In the traditional Vedic astrology there is no such concept as a month kundali or day kundali etc. It is so very unique to the Lal Kitab. Unfortunately, I have not come across any reference of the month kundali being used in the Lal Kitab. I have known a few LK scholars who now and then had used the month kundali; more as an experiment rather than a regular tool of analysis. By these LK scholars the month kundali had been used like a substitute for a traditional ‘prashna kundali’ to get answers for matters of immediate concerns. The matters could be like ‘ can my father pull through, he is in a hospital?’ ‘would I get a positive appraisal, due this month?’ ‘The transfer list is going to be declared this month, will I have to leave this place?’ and so on. These queries sound like the ‘karya siddha’ queries of a ‘prashna kundali’. But I am afraid the success rate has not been as good as is for a ‘prashna kundali’ The methodology used for analysis has to be the same as for any kundali under the Lal Kitab paddhati. There is no different format of analysis laid down for a month kundali. Have a nice day Varun Trivedi , " anand_jotish " <anand_jotish wrote: > > shri kulbir ji > > Mas kundali varsh phal kundali ko adhar man kar banayi jati hai. Is mein sooraj ko mahatva diya gaya hai. Jis mahine ki kundali banana ho us mahina number ke ghar mein sooraj ko sthapit kar dete hai. udaharan ke liye kisi jatak ke 30 ve varsh ke 5 ve mahine ki kundali banana hai to pahale 30 ve varsh ki varsh phal kundali banayege. Phir varsh phal kundali ke sooraj ko 5ve khane mein rakh kar shesh grahon ko usi kram mein mas kundali mein sthapit karege jis kram mein grah varsh phal kundali mein hai. Yahan dhyan rakh ne ki bat hai ki sooraj ko 5 ghar nahi chalayege balki us ko sthapit karenge. Varsh phal kundali mein sooraj kisi bhi khane mein baitha ho vahan se sooraj ko us khane mein baitha denge jis mahine ki kundali banana hai. > Baki ki kundali jaise ki din kundali ghanta kundali ityadi ke liye grahon ko chalaya jata hai na ki sthapit kiya jata hai. Din kundali ke liye , mahine ki kundali ko adhar mana jata hai. Udaharn ke liye mahine ke 11ve din ki kundali banana hai to mas kundali mein jis ghar mein mangal baitha hai us ghar se mangal ko 11 ghar chalaya jayega. > Mere vichar se mas kundali ka adhyayan bhi unhi siddhanton par kiya jayega jin par janma kundali, varsh phal kundali adi ka kiya jata hai. Jahan tak is kundali ki upyogita ka prshna hai to iske bare mein bahut kam parhne ko milta hai. Swayam lal kitab mein bhi is kundali ka upyog nahi kiya gaya hai. > Yadi kisi lal kitab vidwan ne mas kundali ka upyog kiya ho to avashya batayen > Snehakanshi, Anand > > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > Respected members; > > > > How to synchronize the various/different principles; to decode the proper application of month kundali in accordance with principles of Lalkitab. > > > > What is the basis to study ? > > I mean how much in details should we study this ? > > Is it effective in showing nature of results as native will face in his Life ? > > What about the remedial measures related to monthly chart ? > > > > > > > > Regards > > Kulbir Bains. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Thanks Dear Varun ji and Anand ji; How to co relate these? First Principle; The result for a particular planet will be experienced in the corresponding month number to khanna number occupied the planet. Second principle;- If there is a vacant house in Janam Kundali and a planet comes into that house in a particular year; then that planet will give its result in the month coinciding with the number of house in which sun in posited in that particular Varshphal; e.g. house no 2,3,8,12 are vacant in the Janam Kundali; But the 2nd house is occupied by Saturn, Jupiter, 3rd house is occupied by Sun, mercury, 8th house is occupied by Ketu, and 12th house is occupied by Moon this year. Now these planets will give their result in the month coinciding with house no. occupied by sun this year; i.e. the third month. Third Principle;- Every planet's result in further dependent upon the three parts. e.g. Jupiter = 1st half = Ketu; 2nd half = Jupiter, 3rd half= Sun. Now the year is divided into 3 equal parts of 4 months each. Jupiter will give result in 1 to 4 months as qua Ketu; 5 to 8 months qua Jupiter itself; 8 to 1 2 months qua Sun. (in the Varshphal). Hence forth all planets in accordance with this formula. Regards Kulbir , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > Res Anand ji has already explained how to cast a month horoscope. > > In the traditional Vedic astrology there is no such concept as a month kundali or day kundali etc. It is so very unique to the Lal Kitab. > > Unfortunately, I have not come across any reference of the month kundali being used in the Lal Kitab. I have known a few LK scholars who now and then had used the month kundali; more as an experiment rather than a regular tool of analysis. > > By these LK scholars the month kundali had been used like a substitute for a traditional ‘prashna kundali’ to get answers for matters of immediate concerns. The matters could be like ‘ can my father pull through, he is in a hospital?’ ‘would I get a positive appraisal, due this month?’ ‘The transfer list is going to be declared this month, will I have to leave this place?’ and so on. These queries sound like the ‘karya siddha’ queries of a ‘prashna kundali’. But I am afraid the success rate has not been as good as is for a ‘prashna kundali’ > > The methodology used for analysis has to be the same as for any kundali under the Lal Kitab paddhati. There is no different format of analysis laid down for a month kundali. > > Have a nice day > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > , " anand_jotish " <anand_jotish@> wrote: > > > > shri kulbir ji > > > > Mas kundali varsh phal kundali ko adhar man kar banayi jati hai. Is mein sooraj ko mahatva diya gaya hai. Jis mahine ki kundali banana ho us mahina number ke ghar mein sooraj ko sthapit kar dete hai. udaharan ke liye kisi jatak ke 30 ve varsh ke 5 ve mahine ki kundali banana hai to pahale 30 ve varsh ki varsh phal kundali banayege. Phir varsh phal kundali ke sooraj ko 5ve khane mein rakh kar shesh grahon ko usi kram mein mas kundali mein sthapit karege jis kram mein grah varsh phal kundali mein hai. Yahan dhyan rakh ne ki bat hai ki sooraj ko 5 ghar nahi chalayege balki us ko sthapit karenge. Varsh phal kundali mein sooraj kisi bhi khane mein baitha ho vahan se sooraj ko us khane mein baitha denge jis mahine ki kundali banana hai. > > Baki ki kundali jaise ki din kundali ghanta kundali ityadi ke liye grahon ko chalaya jata hai na ki sthapit kiya jata hai. Din kundali ke liye , mahine ki kundali ko adhar mana jata hai. Udaharn ke liye mahine ke 11ve din ki kundali banana hai to mas kundali mein jis ghar mein mangal baitha hai us ghar se mangal ko 11 ghar chalaya jayega. > > Mere vichar se mas kundali ka adhyayan bhi unhi siddhanton par kiya jayega jin par janma kundali, varsh phal kundali adi ka kiya jata hai. Jahan tak is kundali ki upyogita ka prshna hai to iske bare mein bahut kam parhne ko milta hai. Swayam lal kitab mein bhi is kundali ka upyog nahi kiya gaya hai. > > Yadi kisi lal kitab vidwan ne mas kundali ka upyog kiya ho to avashya batayen > > Snehakanshi, Anand > > > > > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected members; > > > > > > How to synchronize the various/different principles; to decode the proper application of month kundali in accordance with principles of Lalkitab. > > > > > > What is the basis to study ? > > > I mean how much in details should we study this ? > > > Is it effective in showing nature of results as native will face in his Life ? > > > What about the remedial measures related to monthly chart ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Dear Kulbir bhai, The first principle given in the book is well taken. It sounds possible that the planet specific results could be felt/perceived in the month corresponding to the house number the planet is placed in the varsh phal kundali. The second principle given in the book doesn't look logical. Like in the example given by you, it will sound impractical that six planets will give results only for one month i.e.in the 3rd month and would stay silent for the rest of the 11 months. In other words only three planets will be operative for the whole year. The third principle given in the book is well taken. It is an always operative principle, be it a janma kundali or a varsh phal kundali. No problems with that. Have a nice day, Varun Trivedi , " kulbir " <kulbirbains wrote: > > Thanks Dear Varun ji and Anand ji; > How to co relate these? > > First Principle; > The result for a particular planet will be experienced in the corresponding month number to khanna number occupied the planet. > > Second principle;- If there is a vacant house in Janam Kundali and a planet comes into that house in a particular year; then that planet will give its result in the month coinciding with the number of house in which sun in posited in that particular Varshphal; > e.g. house no 2,3,8,12 are vacant in the Janam Kundali; > But the 2nd house is occupied by Saturn, Jupiter, > 3rd house is occupied by Sun, mercury, > 8th house is occupied by Ketu, > and 12th house is occupied by Moon this year. > Now these planets will give their result in the month coinciding with house no. occupied by sun this year; i.e. the third month. > > Third Principle;- Every planet's result in further dependent upon the three > parts. > e.g. Jupiter = 1st half = Ketu; 2nd half = Jupiter, 3rd half= Sun. > Now the year is divided into 3 equal parts of 4 months each. > Jupiter will give result in 1 to 4 months as qua Ketu; 5 to 8 months qua Jupiter itself; 8 to 1 2 months qua Sun. (in the Varshphal). Hence forth all > planets in accordance with this formula. > > Regards > Kulbir > > , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > Res Anand ji has already explained how to cast a month horoscope. > > > > In the traditional Vedic astrology there is no such concept as a month kundali or day kundali etc. It is so very unique to the Lal Kitab. > > > > Unfortunately, I have not come across any reference of the month kundali being used in the Lal Kitab. I have known a few LK scholars who now and then had used the month kundali; more as an experiment rather than a regular tool of analysis. > > > > By these LK scholars the month kundali had been used like a substitute for a traditional ‘prashna kundali’ to get answers for matters of immediate concerns. The matters could be like ‘ can my father pull through, he is in a hospital?’ ‘would I get a positive appraisal, due this month?’ ‘The transfer list is going to be declared this month, will I have to leave this place?’ and so on. These queries sound like the ‘karya siddha’ queries of a ‘prashna kundali’. But I am afraid the success rate has not been as good as is for a ‘prashna kundali’ > > > > The methodology used for analysis has to be the same as for any kundali under the Lal Kitab paddhati. There is no different format of analysis laid down for a month kundali. > > > > Have a nice day > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " anand_jotish " <anand_jotish@> wrote: > > > > > > shri kulbir ji > > > > > > Mas kundali varsh phal kundali ko adhar man kar banayi jati hai. Is mein sooraj ko mahatva diya gaya hai. Jis mahine ki kundali banana ho us mahina number ke ghar mein sooraj ko sthapit kar dete hai. udaharan ke liye kisi jatak ke 30 ve varsh ke 5 ve mahine ki kundali banana hai to pahale 30 ve varsh ki varsh phal kundali banayege. Phir varsh phal kundali ke sooraj ko 5ve khane mein rakh kar shesh grahon ko usi kram mein mas kundali mein sthapit karege jis kram mein grah varsh phal kundali mein hai. Yahan dhyan rakh ne ki bat hai ki sooraj ko 5 ghar nahi chalayege balki us ko sthapit karenge. Varsh phal kundali mein sooraj kisi bhi khane mein baitha ho vahan se sooraj ko us khane mein baitha denge jis mahine ki kundali banana hai. > > > Baki ki kundali jaise ki din kundali ghanta kundali ityadi ke liye grahon ko chalaya jata hai na ki sthapit kiya jata hai. Din kundali ke liye , mahine ki kundali ko adhar mana jata hai. Udaharn ke liye mahine ke 11ve din ki kundali banana hai to mas kundali mein jis ghar mein mangal baitha hai us ghar se mangal ko 11 ghar chalaya jayega. > > > Mere vichar se mas kundali ka adhyayan bhi unhi siddhanton par kiya jayega jin par janma kundali, varsh phal kundali adi ka kiya jata hai. Jahan tak is kundali ki upyogita ka prshna hai to iske bare mein bahut kam parhne ko milta hai. Swayam lal kitab mein bhi is kundali ka upyog nahi kiya gaya hai. > > > Yadi kisi lal kitab vidwan ne mas kundali ka upyog kiya ho to avashya batayen > > > Snehakanshi, Anand > > > > > > > > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected members; > > > > > > > > How to synchronize the various/different principles; to decode the proper application of month kundali in accordance with principles of Lalkitab. > > > > > > > > What is the basis to study ? > > > > I mean how much in details should we study this ? > > > > Is it effective in showing nature of results as native will face in his Life ? > > > > What about the remedial measures related to monthly chart ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2009 Report Share Posted December 11, 2009 Dear Varun ji; that's a balanced and well reasoned reply; no points to counter; Regards Kulbir , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > The first principle given in the book is well taken. It sounds possible that the planet specific results could be felt/perceived in the month corresponding to the house number the planet is placed in the varsh phal kundali. > > The second principle given in the book doesn't look logical. Like in the example given by you, it will sound impractical that six planets will give results only for one month i.e.in the 3rd month and would stay silent for the rest of the 11 months. In other words only three planets will be operative for the whole year. > > The third principle given in the book is well taken. It is an always operative principle, be it a janma kundali or a varsh phal kundali. No problems with that. > > Have a nice day, > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > Thanks Dear Varun ji and Anand ji; > > How to co relate these? > > > > First Principle; > > The result for a particular planet will be experienced in the corresponding month number to khanna number occupied the planet. > > > > Second principle;- If there is a vacant house in Janam Kundali and a planet comes into that house in a particular year; then that planet will give its result in the month coinciding with the number of house in which sun in posited in that particular Varshphal; > > e.g. house no 2,3,8,12 are vacant in the Janam Kundali; > > But the 2nd house is occupied by Saturn, Jupiter, > > 3rd house is occupied by Sun, mercury, > > 8th house is occupied by Ketu, > > and 12th house is occupied by Moon this year. > > Now these planets will give their result in the month coinciding with house no. occupied by sun this year; i.e. the third month. > > > > Third Principle;- Every planet's result in further dependent upon the three > > parts. > > e.g. Jupiter = 1st half = Ketu; 2nd half = Jupiter, 3rd half= Sun. > > Now the year is divided into 3 equal parts of 4 months each. > > Jupiter will give result in 1 to 4 months as qua Ketu; 5 to 8 months qua Jupiter itself; 8 to 1 2 months qua Sun. (in the Varshphal). Hence forth all > > planets in accordance with this formula. > > > > Regards > > Kulbir > > > > , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > > > Res Anand ji has already explained how to cast a month horoscope. > > > > > > In the traditional Vedic astrology there is no such concept as a month kundali or day kundali etc. It is so very unique to the Lal Kitab. > > > > > > Unfortunately, I have not come across any reference of the month kundali being used in the Lal Kitab. I have known a few LK scholars who now and then had used the month kundali; more as an experiment rather than a regular tool of analysis. > > > > > > By these LK scholars the month kundali had been used like a substitute for a traditional ‘prashna kundali’ to get answers for matters of immediate concerns. The matters could be like ‘ can my father pull through, he is in a hospital?’ ‘would I get a positive appraisal, due this month?’ ‘The transfer list is going to be declared this month, will I have to leave this place?’ and so on. These queries sound like the ‘karya siddha’ queries of a ‘prashna kundali’. But I am afraid the success rate has not been as good as is for a ‘prashna kundali’ > > > > > > The methodology used for analysis has to be the same as for any kundali under the Lal Kitab paddhati. There is no different format of analysis laid down for a month kundali. > > > > > > Have a nice day > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " anand_jotish " <anand_jotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > shri kulbir ji > > > > > > > > Mas kundali varsh phal kundali ko adhar man kar banayi jati hai. Is mein sooraj ko mahatva diya gaya hai. Jis mahine ki kundali banana ho us mahina number ke ghar mein sooraj ko sthapit kar dete hai. udaharan ke liye kisi jatak ke 30 ve varsh ke 5 ve mahine ki kundali banana hai to pahale 30 ve varsh ki varsh phal kundali banayege. Phir varsh phal kundali ke sooraj ko 5ve khane mein rakh kar shesh grahon ko usi kram mein mas kundali mein sthapit karege jis kram mein grah varsh phal kundali mein hai. Yahan dhyan rakh ne ki bat hai ki sooraj ko 5 ghar nahi chalayege balki us ko sthapit karenge. Varsh phal kundali mein sooraj kisi bhi khane mein baitha ho vahan se sooraj ko us khane mein baitha denge jis mahine ki kundali banana hai. > > > > Baki ki kundali jaise ki din kundali ghanta kundali ityadi ke liye grahon ko chalaya jata hai na ki sthapit kiya jata hai. Din kundali ke liye , mahine ki kundali ko adhar mana jata hai. Udaharn ke liye mahine ke 11ve din ki kundali banana hai to mas kundali mein jis ghar mein mangal baitha hai us ghar se mangal ko 11 ghar chalaya jayega. > > > > Mere vichar se mas kundali ka adhyayan bhi unhi siddhanton par kiya jayega jin par janma kundali, varsh phal kundali adi ka kiya jata hai. Jahan tak is kundali ki upyogita ka prshna hai to iske bare mein bahut kam parhne ko milta hai. Swayam lal kitab mein bhi is kundali ka upyog nahi kiya gaya hai. > > > > Yadi kisi lal kitab vidwan ne mas kundali ka upyog kiya ho to avashya batayen > > > > Snehakanshi, Anand > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Respected members; > > > > > > > > > > How to synchronize the various/different principles; to decode the proper application of month kundali in accordance with principles of Lalkitab. > > > > > > > > > > What is the basis to study ? > > > > > I mean how much in details should we study this ? > > > > > Is it effective in showing nature of results as native will face in his Life ? > > > > > What about the remedial measures related to monthly chart ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 Dear members, Month chart is rarely used. I have used it a few times only, that too as an alternative to a ‘prashna kundali’. At times I have been successful and at others I have failed miserably. Talking about the success is no big deal. Therefore I am talking about the time when I was most confident and yet failed so miserably. That was a great embarrassment. One of my colleagues at the IIT Delhi fell seriously ill late November 1999. The doctors at the AIIMS had almost given up and were desperate. I did not have the horoscope of my colleague. But I had the horoscope of his son who was in the US. The son rushed back from the US to be with his father. The birth details of the son Born : April 23, 1972 Time : 5:13 pm Place : Delhi Horoscope : Ascendant : 19Vi21 [lahiri ayanansh] 4th house : Jupiter 5th house : Rahu 7th house : mercury 8th house : Sun 9th house : mars,venus,Saturn 11th house: ketu 12th house: moon 28th year Varsh Phal [ the year father was ill] 1st house : Jupiter 6th house : mercury 7th house : mars,venus,Saturn 8th house : sun 10th house: Ketu 11th house: Rahu 12th house: moon Since the father was ill during the 8th month of the son’s 28th year 8th month kundali : same as the varsh phal kundali With these three kundalis in front of me I calculated that his father will not die so long as the son is at his bed side. I had the following reasons to believe this: [1] The son has the sun in the 8th house in his janma kundali where it is promised that none of his family members will die in his presence. [2] This is further reinforced by the varsh Phal kundali where the son has the sun in the 8th house once again. [3] Even the month kundali too gave the same indication that the father should not die so long as the son is at the bed side of his father. I further went into analyzing the Jupiter. [a] In the janma kundali Jupiter is placed in the 4th house in its own rasi [dhanu] and is not afflicted. in the varsh phal kundali it is placed in the 1st house and according to LK it is not afflicted [vedic: afflicted by mars,venus,Saturn] [c] In the month kunadli the Jupiter is placed in the 1st house and according to LK is not afflicted. [d] On calculating how will the Jupiter behave during the 28th year , it worked out that the Jupiter will behave as if placed in the 4th house. [rule: divide the years of the jatak by the house number the planet is placed in the janma kundali, the planet will behave as if placed in the house represented by the remainder.] With the Jupiter well placed and not afflicted; the Sun in the 8th I was very sure that his father will pull through at least till December 22. I was sure that the father will not die at least during the 8th month of the son’s 28th year. Alas! He died on December 13th . Till today I have no explanation for it based on Lal Kitab month kundali. How ever the event is indicated through the 35 year Lal Kitab cycle. I will post the timing of event study, based on the 35 year LK cycle, for this case in my next message. God bless you Bhooshan Priya , "kulbir" <kulbirbains wrote:>> Dear Varun ji;> > that's a balanced and well reasoned reply;> no points to counter;> > Regards> > Kulbir> > > > > > > > > > > > > , "varun_trvd" varun_trvd@ wrote:> >> > Dear Kulbir bhai,> >> > The first principle given in the book is well taken. It sounds possible that the planet specific results could be felt/perceived in the month corresponding to the house number the planet is placed in the varsh phal kundali.> >> > The second principle given in the book doesn't look logical. Like in the example given by you, it will sound impractical that six planets will give results only for one month i.e.in the 3rd month and would stay silent for the rest of the 11 months. In other words only three planets will be operative for the whole year.> >> > The third principle given in the book is well taken. It is an always operative principle, be it a janma kundali or a varsh phal kundali. No problems with that.> >> > Have a nice day,> >> > Varun Trivedi> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > , "kulbir" <kulbirbains@> wrote:> > >> > > Thanks Dear Varun ji and Anand ji;> > > How to co relate these?> > >> > > First Principle;> > > The result for a particular planet will be experienced in the corresponding month number to khanna number occupied the planet.> > >> > > Second principle;- If there is a vacant house in Janam Kundali and a planet comes into that house in a particular year; then that planet will give its result in the month coinciding with the number of house in which sun in posited in that particular Varshphal;> > > e.g. house no 2,3,8,12 are vacant in the Janam Kundali;> > > But the 2nd house is occupied by Saturn, Jupiter,> > > 3rd house is occupied by Sun, mercury,> > > 8th house is occupied by Ketu,> > > and 12th house is occupied by Moon this year.> > > Now these planets will give their result in the month coinciding with house no. occupied by sun this year; i.e. the third month.> > >> > > Third Principle;- Every planet's result in further dependent upon the three> > > parts.> > > e.g. Jupiter = 1st half = Ketu; 2nd half = Jupiter, 3rd half= Sun.> > > Now the year is divided into 3 equal parts of 4 months each.> > > Jupiter will give result in 1 to 4 months as qua Ketu; 5 to 8 months qua Jupiter itself; 8 to 1 2 months qua Sun. (in the Varshphal). Hence forth all> > > planets in accordance with this formula.> > >> > > Regards> > > Kulbir> > >> > > , "varun_trvd" <varun_trvd@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Kulbir bhai,> > > >> > > > Res Anand ji has already explained how to cast a month horoscope.> > > >> > > > In the traditional Vedic astrology there is no such concept as a month kundali or day kundali etc. It is so very unique to the Lal Kitab.> > > >> > > > Unfortunately, I have not come across any reference of the month kundali being used in the Lal Kitab. I have known a few LK scholars who now and then had used the month kundali; more as an experiment rather than a regular tool of analysis.> > > >> > > > By these LK scholars the month kundali had been used like a substitute for a traditional ‘prashna kundali’ to get answers for matters of immediate concerns. The matters could be like ‘ can my father pull through, he is in a hospital?’ ‘would I get a positive appraisal, due this month?’ ‘The transfer list is going to be declared this month, will I have to leave this place?’ and so on. These queries sound like the ‘karya siddha’ queries of a ‘prashna kundali’. But I am afraid the success rate has not been as good as is for a ‘prashna kundali’> > > >> > > > The methodology used for analysis has to be the same as for any kundali under the Lal Kitab paddhati. There is no different format of analysis laid down for a month kundali.> > > >> > > > Have a nice day> > > >> > > > Varun Trivedi> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , "anand_jotish" <anand_jotish@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > shri kulbir ji> > > > >> > > > > Mas kundali varsh phal kundali ko adhar man kar banayi jati hai. Is mein sooraj ko mahatva diya gaya hai. Jis mahine ki kundali banana ho us mahina number ke ghar mein sooraj ko sthapit kar dete hai. udaharan ke liye kisi jatak ke 30 ve varsh ke 5 ve mahine ki kundali banana hai to pahale 30 ve varsh ki varsh phal kundali banayege. Phir varsh phal kundali ke sooraj ko 5ve khane mein rakh kar shesh grahon ko usi kram mein mas kundali mein sthapit karege jis kram mein grah varsh phal kundali mein hai. Yahan dhyan rakh ne ki bat hai ki sooraj ko 5 ghar nahi chalayege balki us ko sthapit karenge. Varsh phal kundali mein sooraj kisi bhi khane mein baitha ho vahan se sooraj ko us khane mein baitha denge jis mahine ki kundali banana hai.> > > > > Baki ki kundali jaise ki din kundali ghanta kundali ityadi ke liye grahon ko chalaya jata hai na ki sthapit kiya jata hai. Din kundali ke liye , mahine ki kundali ko adhar mana jata hai. Udaharn ke liye mahine ke 11ve din ki kundali banana hai to mas kundali mein jis ghar mein mangal baitha hai us ghar se mangal ko 11 ghar chalaya jayega.> > > > > Mere vichar se mas kundali ka adhyayan bhi unhi siddhanton par kiya jayega jin par janma kundali, varsh phal kundali adi ka kiya jata hai. Jahan tak is kundali ki upyogita ka prshna hai to iske bare mein bahut kam parhne ko milta hai. Swayam lal kitab mein bhi is kundali ka upyog nahi kiya gaya hai.> > > > > Yadi kisi lal kitab vidwan ne mas kundali ka upyog kiya ho to avashya batayen> > > > > Snehakanshi, Anand> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , "kulbir" <kulbirbains@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Respected members;> > > > > >> > > > > > How to synchronize the various/different principles; to decode the proper application of month kundali in accordance with principles of Lalkitab.> > > > > >> > > > > > What is the basis to study ?> > > > > > I mean how much in details should we study this ?> > > > > > Is it effective in showing nature of results as native will face in his Life ?> > > > > > What about the remedial measures related to monthly chart ?> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Kulbir Bains.> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 Respected Guruji; Will look forward to the 35 saala chakra analysis. Regards Kulbir , " Pandit Bhooshan Priya " < wrote: > > > Dear members, > > > > Month chart is rarely used. I have used it a few times only, that too as > an alternative to a ‘prashna kundali’. At times I have > been successful and at others I have failed miserably. Talking about the > success is no big deal. Therefore I am talking about the time when I was > most confident and yet failed so miserably. That was a great > embarrassment. > > > > One of my colleagues at the IIT Delhi fell seriously ill late November > 1999. The doctors at the AIIMS had almost given up and were desperate. > > > > I did not have the horoscope of my colleague. But I had the horoscope of > his son who was in the US. > > > > The son rushed back from the US to be with his father. > > > > The birth details of the son > > > > Born : April 23, 1972 > > Time : 5:13 pm > > Place : Delhi > > > > Horoscope : > > > > Ascendant : 19Vi21 [lahiri ayanansh] > > > > 4th house : Jupiter > > 5th house : Rahu > > 7th house : mercury > > 8th house : Sun > > 9th house : mars,venus,Saturn > > 11th house: ketu > > 12th house: moon > > > > 28th year Varsh Phal [ the year father was ill] > > > > 1st house : Jupiter > > 6th house : mercury > > 7th house : mars,venus,Saturn > > 8th house : sun > > 10th house: Ketu > > 11th house: Rahu > > 12th house: moon > > > > Since the father was ill during the 8th month of the son’s 28th > year > > > > 8th month kundali : same as the varsh phal kundali > > > > With these three kundalis in front of me I calculated that his father > will not die so long as the son is at his bed side. I had the following > reasons to believe this: > > > > [1] The son has the sun in the 8th house in his janma kundali where it > is promised that none of his family members will die in his presence. > > > > [2] This is further reinforced by the varsh Phal kundali where the son > has the sun in the 8th house once again. > > > > [3] Even the month kundali too gave the same indication that the father > should not die so long as the son is at the bed side of his father. > > > > I further went into analyzing the Jupiter. > > > > [a] In the janma kundali Jupiter is placed in the 4th house in its own > rasi [dhanu] and is not afflicted. > > > > in the varsh phal kundali it is placed in the 1st house and > according to LK it is not afflicted [vedic: afflicted by > mars,venus,Saturn] > > > > [c] In the month kunadli the Jupiter is placed in the 1st house and > according to LK is not afflicted. > > > > [d] On calculating how will the Jupiter behave during the 28th year , it > worked out that the Jupiter will behave as if placed in the 4th house. > > > > [rule: divide the years of the jatak by the house number the planet is > placed in the janma kundali, the planet will behave as if placed in the > house represented by the remainder.] > > > > With the Jupiter well placed and not afflicted; the Sun in the 8th I was > very sure that his father will pull through at least till December 22. > > > > I was sure that the father will not die at least during the 8th month of > the son’s 28th year. > > > > Alas! He died on December 13th . > > > > Till today I have no explanation for it based on Lal Kitab month > kundali. > > > > How ever the event is indicated through the 35 year Lal Kitab cycle. > > > > I will post the timing of event study, based on the 35 year LK cycle, > for this case in my next message. > > > > God bless you > > > > Bhooshan Priya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Varun ji; > > > > that's a balanced and well reasoned reply; > > no points to counter; > > > > Regards > > > > Kulbir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " varun_trvd " varun_trvd@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > > > The first principle given in the book is well taken. It sounds > possible that the planet specific results could be felt/perceived in the > month corresponding to the house number the planet is placed in the > varsh phal kundali. > > > > > > The second principle given in the book doesn't look logical. Like in > the example given by you, it will sound impractical that six planets > will give results only for one month i.e.in the 3rd month and would stay > silent for the rest of the 11 months. In other words only three planets > will be operative for the whole year. > > > > > > The third principle given in the book is well taken. It is an always > operative principle, be it a janma kundali or a varsh phal kundali. No > problems with that. > > > > > > Have a nice day, > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Thanks Dear Varun ji and Anand ji; > > > > How to co relate these? > > > > > > > > First Principle; > > > > The result for a particular planet will be experienced in the > corresponding month number to khanna number occupied the planet. > > > > > > > > Second principle;- If there is a vacant house in Janam Kundali and > a planet comes into that house in a particular year; then that planet > will give its result in the month coinciding with the number of house in > which sun in posited in that particular Varshphal; > > > > e.g. house no 2,3,8,12 are vacant in the Janam Kundali; > > > > But the 2nd house is occupied by Saturn, Jupiter, > > > > 3rd house is occupied by Sun, mercury, > > > > 8th house is occupied by Ketu, > > > > and 12th house is occupied by Moon this year. > > > > Now these planets will give their result in the month coinciding > with house no. occupied by sun this year; i.e. the third month. > > > > > > > > Third Principle;- Every planet's result in further dependent upon > the three > > > > parts. > > > > e.g. Jupiter = 1st half = Ketu; 2nd half = Jupiter, 3rd half= Sun. > > > > Now the year is divided into 3 equal parts of 4 months each. > > > > Jupiter will give result in 1 to 4 months as qua Ketu; 5 to 8 > months qua Jupiter itself; 8 to 1 2 months qua Sun. (in the Varshphal). > Hence forth all > > > > planets in accordance with this formula. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Kulbir > > > > > > > > , " varun_trvd " > <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > > > > > > > Res Anand ji has already explained how to cast a month > horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > In the traditional Vedic astrology there is no such concept as a > month kundali or day kundali etc. It is so very unique to the Lal Kitab. > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, I have not come across any reference of the month > kundali being used in the Lal Kitab. I have known a few LK scholars who > now and then had used the month kundali; more as an experiment rather > than a regular tool of analysis. > > > > > > > > > > By these LK scholars the month kundali had been used like a > substitute for a traditional ‘prashna kundali’ to get > answers for matters of immediate concerns. The matters could be like > ‘ can my father pull through, he is in a hospital?’ > ‘would I get a positive appraisal, due this month?’ > ‘The transfer list is going to be declared this month, will I > have to leave this place?’ and so on. These queries sound like > the ‘karya siddha’ queries of a ‘prashna > kundali’. But I am afraid the success rate has not been as good > as is for a ‘prashna kundali’ > > > > > > > > > > The methodology used for analysis has to be the same as for any > kundali under the Lal Kitab paddhati. There is no different format of > analysis laid down for a month kundali. > > > > > > > > > > Have a nice day > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " anand_jotish " > <anand_jotish@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > shri kulbir ji > > > > > > > > > > > > Mas kundali varsh phal kundali ko adhar man kar banayi jati > hai. Is mein sooraj ko mahatva diya gaya hai. Jis mahine ki kundali > banana ho us mahina number ke ghar mein sooraj ko sthapit kar dete hai. > udaharan ke liye kisi jatak ke 30 ve varsh ke 5 ve mahine ki kundali > banana hai to pahale 30 ve varsh ki varsh phal kundali banayege. Phir > varsh phal kundali ke sooraj ko 5ve khane mein rakh kar shesh grahon ko > usi kram mein mas kundali mein sthapit karege jis kram mein grah varsh > phal kundali mein hai. Yahan dhyan rakh ne ki bat hai ki sooraj ko 5 > ghar nahi chalayege balki us ko sthapit karenge. Varsh phal kundali mein > sooraj kisi bhi khane mein baitha ho vahan se sooraj ko us khane mein > baitha denge jis mahine ki kundali banana hai. > > > > > > Baki ki kundali jaise ki din kundali ghanta kundali ityadi ke > liye grahon ko chalaya jata hai na ki sthapit kiya jata hai. Din kundali > ke liye , mahine ki kundali ko adhar mana jata hai. Udaharn ke liye > mahine ke 11ve din ki kundali banana hai to mas kundali mein jis ghar > mein mangal baitha hai us ghar se mangal ko 11 ghar chalaya jayega. > > > > > > Mere vichar se mas kundali ka adhyayan bhi unhi siddhanton par > kiya jayega jin par janma kundali, varsh phal kundali adi ka kiya jata > hai. Jahan tak is kundali ki upyogita ka prshna hai to iske bare mein > bahut kam parhne ko milta hai. Swayam lal kitab mein bhi is kundali ka > upyog nahi kiya gaya hai. > > > > > > Yadi kisi lal kitab vidwan ne mas kundali ka upyog kiya ho to > avashya batayen > > > > > > Snehakanshi, Anand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kulbir " > <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected members; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How to synchronize the various/different principles; to > decode the proper application of month kundali in accordance with > principles of Lalkitab. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the basis to study ? > > > > > > > I mean how much in details should we study this ? > > > > > > > Is it effective in showing nature of results as native will > face in his Life ? > > > > > > > What about the remedial measures related to monthly chart ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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