Guest guest Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 Respected members; page 103 line 5; 1939 edition says " within brackets khanna no 2 aur 6;; khanna no 8 aur 12 :- PANNFAR- kharab phal magar rashi ka unch grah apni rashi mein uttam phal dega 25 fisadi nazar par " Kindly help me in understanding the meaning of the word PANNFAR and also what does this sentence means. Regards Kulbir Bains Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 Dear Kulbir bhai, In traditional astrology the 2, 5, 8, & 11 houses are known as panphar [succedent] houses. Therefore in astrological terminology 2, 6, 8, & 12th houses should not have been called panphar 6, 8, & 12th house are known as trik houses and are traditionally considered as giving ‘kharab phal’. The Lal Kitab says that it is better to have the 2nd house unoccupied. “Khana # 2 khali ho to sab kuchh umda hoga†[1952 urdu ed; page 60] Therefore the kharab phal part of these houses is explained. The line you have quoted further says ‘ that the planets considered exalted in these houses will give exalted results’. It is true, moon in the 2nd, mercury in the 6th and venus in the 12th will give good results. Finally they are related with each other through 25% aspect. Regards, Varun Trivedi , "kulbir" <kulbirbains wrote:>> Respected members;> > page 103 line 5; 1939 edition says "within brackets khanna no 2 aur 6;; khanna no 8 aur 12 :- PANNFAR- kharab phal magar rashi ka unch grah apni rashi mein uttam phal dega 25 fisadi nazar par"> > Kindly help me in understanding the meaning of the word PANNFAR and also what does this sentence means.> > Regards> > Kulbir Bains> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 Dear Varun ji; thanks for the explanation; there is one another problem; page 58 line 12 of 1942 " ....AB NUMBER 2 MEIN 100 FISADI NUMBER 8 KA ASAR MILA HAI AUR NUMBER 12 MEIN 2,6 KI MARFAT 25 FISADI NUBER 8 KA ASAR MILA HAI GOYA NUMBER 2 DEKHTA HAI 25 FISADI NUMBER 12 KO " The line is repeated as such in 1952 edition too ( don't know the page Number) What does 100 fisadi means; i) Sure. or ii) 100 % aspect. Regards Kulbir Bains. , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > In traditional astrology the 2, 5, 8, & 11 houses are known as panphar > [succedent] houses. Therefore in astrological terminology 2, 6, 8, & > 12th houses should not have been called panphar > > > > 6, 8, & 12th house are known as trik houses and are traditionally > considered as giving ‘kharab phal’. > > > > The Lal Kitab says that it is better to have the 2nd house unoccupied. > “Khana # 2 khali ho to sab kuchh umda hoga†[1952 urdu ed; > page 60] > > > > Therefore the kharab phal part of these houses is explained. > > > > The line you have quoted further says ‘ that the planets > considered exalted in these houses will give exalted results’. It > is true, moon in the 2nd, mercury in the 6th and venus in the 12th will > give good results. > > > > Finally they are related with each other through 25% aspect. > > > > Regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@> > wrote: > > > > Respected members; > > > > page 103 line 5; 1939 edition says " within brackets khanna no 2 aur > 6;; khanna no 8 aur 12 :- PANNFAR- kharab phal magar rashi ka unch grah > apni rashi mein uttam phal dega 25 fisadi nazar par " > > > > Kindly help me in understanding the meaning of the word PANNFAR and > also what does this sentence means. > > > > Regards > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 Dear Varun ji; Thanks for this explanation; but there another problem the concept is still not clear because; page 58 line 9 of 1942 edition says " khanna no.8 peeche ko dekhta hai, isi asool par no.8 ne no.2 ko dekha aur no 2 ne no. 6 ko to no. 8 ka asar no. 6 mein 25 fisadi hoga aur no. 6 ne no. 12 ko dekha no. 8 ka asar 12 mein chala gaya ya no 8 apna asar no. 12 mein 25 fisadi daalta hai. AB NUMBER 2 MEIN 100 FISADI NUMBER 8 KA ASAR MILA HAI AUR NUMBER 12 MEIN 2,6 KI MARFAT 25 FISADI NUMBER 8 KA ASAR MILA HAI GOYA NUMBER 2 DEKHTA HAI 25 FISADI NUMBER 12 KO " Rough transalation ..... house no. 8 retro aspects house no. 2 and house no. 2 casts aspect on house no.6 so the 25 percent effect of house no 8 reaches house no.6 and house no 6 casts aspect upon house no 12; effect of 8th houses reaches 12th house meaning that house no.8 casts its effect upon house no. 12 by 25 perccent. now house no. 2 has effect/influence of house no. 8 - 100 percent and house no.2 vide house no.6 puts in 25 percent effect upon house no 12; thereby meaning that house no. 12 has 25 perccent effect of house no. 8 the 3rd line of the page having diagram of aspects reads 8, 6, 2, 12 nazar chauthaiye rakhte hain. 8,6 2, 12 have 25 percent aspect, ccorelating this with the above written it could mean both; i) that effect/aspect of house no. 8 on 6, 2, 12 is 25 percent while house number 2 is effected/aspected by house no. 8 by 100 perccent effect aspect. 0r ii) it is for sure (100 percent) that the effect of house no 8 casts aspect upon house number 2 but the effect/aspect of house no. 8,6,2,12 is 25%. What do you think.. which interpretation suits best, Regards Kulbir Bains , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > In traditional astrology the 2, 5, 8, & 11 houses are known as panphar > [succedent] houses. Therefore in astrological terminology 2, 6, 8, & > 12th houses should not have been called panphar > > > > 6, 8, & 12th house are known as trik houses and are traditionally > considered as giving ‘kharab phal’. > > > > The Lal Kitab says that it is better to have the 2nd house unoccupied. > “Khana # 2 khali ho to sab kuchh umda hoga†[1952 urdu ed; > page 60] > > > > Therefore the kharab phal part of these houses is explained. > > > > The line you have quoted further says ‘ that the planets > considered exalted in these houses will give exalted results’. It > is true, moon in the 2nd, mercury in the 6th and venus in the 12th will > give good results. > > > > Finally they are related with each other through 25% aspect. > > > > Regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@> > wrote: > > > > Respected members; > > > > page 103 line 5; 1939 edition says " within brackets khanna no 2 aur > 6;; khanna no 8 aur 12 :- PANNFAR- kharab phal magar rashi ka unch grah > apni rashi mein uttam phal dega 25 fisadi nazar par " > > > > Kindly help me in understanding the meaning of the word PANNFAR and > also what does this sentence means. > > > > Regards > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 Dear Kulbir bhai, Whenever there is a talk of percentage in the context of aspect, it is always in the sense of 100% or poori drishti; 50% or aadhi drishti and 25% or chauthai drishti. Therefore the mention of 100 feesadi here should be taken to mean 100% or poori drishti. When Pandit ji says 'khana 8 peechhe ko dekhata hai', in this statement no quantum of aspect is mentioned. Therefore it can be safely assumed he means poori drishti. In another context Pandit ji says that houses have normal aspect on the house 7th from them. Therefore the aspect on the 2nd from the 8th can be taken to mean a normal aspect of 100% Even otherwise it is commensurate with the traditional concept of aspects. Therefore to me your 1st assumption appears to be true i.e. i) that effect/aspect of house no. 8 on 6, 2, 12 is 25 percent while house number 2 is effected/aspected by house no. 8 by 100 perccent effect aspect. Have a nice day, Varun Trivedi , " kulbir " <kulbirbains wrote: > > Dear Varun ji; > > Thanks for this explanation; but there another problem the concept is still not clear because; page 58 line 9 of 1942 edition says " khanna no.8 peeche ko dekhta hai, isi asool par no.8 ne no.2 ko dekha aur no 2 ne no. 6 ko to no. 8 ka asar no. 6 mein 25 fisadi hoga aur no. 6 ne no. 12 ko dekha no. 8 ka asar 12 mein chala gaya ya no 8 apna asar no. 12 mein 25 fisadi daalta hai. AB NUMBER 2 MEIN 100 FISADI NUMBER 8 KA ASAR MILA HAI AUR NUMBER 12 MEIN 2,6 KI MARFAT 25 FISADI NUMBER 8 KA ASAR MILA HAI GOYA NUMBER 2 DEKHTA HAI 25 FISADI NUMBER 12 KO " > Rough transalation > .... house no. 8 retro aspects house no. 2 and house no. 2 casts aspect on house no.6 so the 25 percent effect of house no 8 reaches house no.6 and house no 6 casts aspect upon house no 12; effect of 8th houses reaches 12th house meaning that house no.8 casts its effect upon house no. 12 by 25 perccent. now house no. 2 has effect/influence of house no. 8 - 100 percent and house no.2 vide house no.6 puts in 25 percent effect upon house no 12; thereby meaning that house no. 12 has 25 perccent effect of house no. 8 > > the 3rd line of the page having diagram of aspects reads > 8, 6, 2, 12 nazar chauthaiye rakhte hain. > 8,6 2, 12 have 25 percent aspect, > > ccorelating this with the above written it could mean both; > i) that effect/aspect of house no. 8 on 6, 2, 12 is 25 percent while house number 2 is effected/aspected by house no. 8 by 100 perccent effect aspect. > 0r > ii) it is for sure (100 percent) that the effect of house no 8 casts aspect upon house number 2 but the effect/aspect of house no. 8,6,2,12 is 25%. > > What do you think.. which interpretation suits best, > > Regards > > Kulbir Bains > > > , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > > > > > In traditional astrology the 2, 5, 8, & 11 houses are known as panphar > > [succedent] houses. Therefore in astrological terminology 2, 6, 8, & > > 12th houses should not have been called panphar > > > > > > > > 6, 8, & 12th house are known as trik houses and are traditionally > > considered as giving ‘kharab phal’. > > > > > > > > The Lal Kitab says that it is better to have the 2nd house unoccupied. > > “Khana # 2 khali ho to sab kuchh umda hoga†[1952 urdu ed; > > page 60] > > > > > > > > Therefore the kharab phal part of these houses is explained. > > > > > > > > The line you have quoted further says ‘ that the planets > > considered exalted in these houses will give exalted results’. It > > is true, moon in the 2nd, mercury in the 6th and venus in the 12th will > > give good results. > > > > > > > > Finally they are related with each other through 25% aspect. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Respected members; > > > > > > page 103 line 5; 1939 edition says " within brackets khanna no 2 aur > > 6;; khanna no 8 aur 12 :- PANNFAR- kharab phal magar rashi ka unch grah > > apni rashi mein uttam phal dega 25 fisadi nazar par " > > > > > > Kindly help me in understanding the meaning of the word PANNFAR and > > also what does this sentence means. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2009 Report Share Posted December 27, 2009 Dear Varun ji; Coupled to it the explanation provided by you regarding PANNAFAR panphar [succedent] houses helps greatly in understanding the concept. Thanks a lot Regards Kulbir Bains , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > Whenever there is a talk of percentage in the context of aspect, it is always in the sense of 100% or poori drishti; 50% or aadhi drishti and 25% or chauthai drishti. Therefore the mention of 100 feesadi here should be taken to mean 100% or poori drishti. > > When Pandit ji says 'khana 8 peechhe ko dekhata hai', in this statement no quantum of aspect is mentioned. Therefore it can be safely assumed he means poori drishti. > > In another context Pandit ji says that houses have normal aspect on the house 7th from them. Therefore the aspect on the 2nd from the 8th can be taken to mean a normal aspect of 100% > > Even otherwise it is commensurate with the traditional concept of aspects. > > Therefore to me your 1st assumption appears to be true i.e. > > i) that effect/aspect of house no. 8 on 6, 2, 12 is 25 percent while house number 2 is effected/aspected by house no. 8 by 100 perccent effect aspect. > > Have a nice day, > > Varun Trivedi > > > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@> wrote: > > > > Dear Varun ji; > > > > Thanks for this explanation; but there another problem the concept is still not clear because; page 58 line 9 of 1942 edition says " khanna no.8 peeche ko dekhta hai, isi asool par no.8 ne no.2 ko dekha aur no 2 ne no. 6 ko to no. 8 ka asar no. 6 mein 25 fisadi hoga aur no. 6 ne no. 12 ko dekha no. 8 ka asar 12 mein chala gaya ya no 8 apna asar no. 12 mein 25 fisadi daalta hai. AB NUMBER 2 MEIN 100 FISADI NUMBER 8 KA ASAR MILA HAI AUR NUMBER 12 MEIN 2,6 KI MARFAT 25 FISADI NUMBER 8 KA ASAR MILA HAI GOYA NUMBER 2 DEKHTA HAI 25 FISADI NUMBER 12 KO " > > Rough transalation > > .... house no. 8 retro aspects house no. 2 and house no. 2 casts aspect on house no.6 so the 25 percent effect of house no 8 reaches house no.6 and house no 6 casts aspect upon house no 12; effect of 8th houses reaches 12th house meaning that house no.8 casts its effect upon house no. 12 by 25 perccent. now house no. 2 has effect/influence of house no. 8 - 100 percent and house no.2 vide house no.6 puts in 25 percent effect upon house no 12; thereby meaning that house no. 12 has 25 perccent effect of house no. 8 > > > > the 3rd line of the page having diagram of aspects reads > > 8, 6, 2, 12 nazar chauthaiye rakhte hain. > > 8,6 2, 12 have 25 percent aspect, > > > > ccorelating this with the above written it could mean both; > > i) that effect/aspect of house no. 8 on 6, 2, 12 is 25 percent while house number 2 is effected/aspected by house no. 8 by 100 perccent effect aspect. > > 0r > > ii) it is for sure (100 percent) that the effect of house no 8 casts aspect upon house number 2 but the effect/aspect of house no. 8,6,2,12 is 25%. > > > > What do you think.. which interpretation suits best, > > > > Regards > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir bhai, > > > > > > > > > > > > In traditional astrology the 2, 5, 8, & 11 houses are known as panphar > > > [succedent] houses. Therefore in astrological terminology 2, 6, 8, & > > > 12th houses should not have been called panphar > > > > > > > > > > > > 6, 8, & 12th house are known as trik houses and are traditionally > > > considered as giving ‘kharab phal’. > > > > > > > > > > > > The Lal Kitab says that it is better to have the 2nd house unoccupied. > > > “Khana # 2 khali ho to sab kuchh umda hoga†[1952 urdu ed; > > > page 60] > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore the kharab phal part of these houses is explained. > > > > > > > > > > > > The line you have quoted further says ‘ that the planets > > > considered exalted in these houses will give exalted results’. It > > > is true, moon in the 2nd, mercury in the 6th and venus in the 12th will > > > give good results. > > > > > > > > > > > > Finally they are related with each other through 25% aspect. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " kulbir " <kulbirbains@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected members; > > > > > > > > page 103 line 5; 1939 edition says " within brackets khanna no 2 aur > > > 6;; khanna no 8 aur 12 :- PANNFAR- kharab phal magar rashi ka unch grah > > > apni rashi mein uttam phal dega 25 fisadi nazar par " > > > > > > > > Kindly help me in understanding the meaning of the word PANNFAR and > > > also what does this sentence means. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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