LK discussion group LALKITAB PRACHAR SAMITI LUDHIAN FUNCTION DATED 17-1-2010

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Dear Chetan Ji;

Main kissi ko free kuch nahin batata; Meri fee consideration kuch aur tarike ki hoti hai;

Maine words MONEY, POWER, INFLUENCE use kiye the.

Agar mere pass influence ki takkat na hoti to mera naam aapke invitation mein sab se pehle na chapta aur na akhbaron mein dete samiti wale.

Aap Mahajan Sahib se hi pooch lijiye meri seminar mein kya contribution thi.

Agar apni publicity chahiye hoti to main manch par apni seat Thakur ji ke liye chod kar audience mein na baithata aur jab Ranjit ji ne mujhe address karne ko kaha to yeh na kahta ki mera time Thakur Sahib ko de do.

Aapke president aur honourable chief guest ne stage par kya kaha tha '' hamne lalkitab ke zariya bahut kuch paya / kamaya. Ab lalkitab ki sewa karne ka prayas kar rahen hain.''

personal interest koi nahin chodta / bilkul darusat farmaya apne / par stage se yeh announcement maine nahin ki, jinhone ki unse poocho.

Regards

Kulbir Bains.

 

 

 

 

 

"chetansud" <chetansud23 Sent: Tue, 19 January, 2010 7:51:29 PMLK discussion group Re: LALKITAB PRACHAR SAMITI LUDHIAN FUNCTION DATED 17-1-2010

Dear Kulbir Ji,Saadar Namaskar.Aap sab ka gussa zayaz hai. main yahan koi safai nahi dena chahta bas itna kahunga ki lal kitab ke upar yeh ek apni tarah ka pehla seminar ya sammelan tha. it was a free jyotish camp organised by lal kitab prachar samiti. we invited all respected scholars, sab apna apna anubhav bata rahe the. aur sab theek bhi chal raha tha. dekhiye kisi ek person ke negative bolne se lal kitab ki garima ko koi thes nahi lag sakti. lal kitab mahaan hai thi aur rahegi. rahi baat sammelan mein kuch logon ko uchit samman nahi mil paya toh galti toh har insaan se hoti hai. jahan tak sawal hai sammelan mein uthaaye gaye sawalon ka toh har ek sawal ka jawab logic se diya ja sakta tha lal kitab se prem karne wala koi bhi un sawalon ke jawab de sakta tha aap bhi jawab de sakte the aap bhi toh lal kitab se prem karte hain phir aap kyon nahi aage aaye. baat sirf itni thi ki us samay jo mahaul ban gaya tha woh sawal jawab ko aage

badane ke liye uchit nahi tha. kuch nasamajh logon ki vajah se sammelan ka mahaul kharab karna uchit nahi tha. raha sawal lal kitab ke prachar ka toh yeh sammelan ka hona hi apne aap mein lal kitab ka prachar hai. lal kitab ek heera hai aur heere ko apni chamak batane ki zaroorat nahin. aap bahut samajhdaar hai, main aapse poochta hoon is tarah net par aapas mein ladkar hum kya saabit karna chahte hain. kya lal kitab ke prati yahi hamara prem hai. ek insaan (mahajan ji) ne ek kadam badhaya, lal kitab ko upar lane ke liye ek koshish ki, us koshish mein agar kuch kamiyan reh bhi gayi thi toh aap unhe personally discuss karte, na ki is tarah net par ho hulla machate. mujhe bahut dukh hai ki sab lal kitab ke upar baatein toh bahut karte hain par apna personal interest koi nahin chodhta. chaliye aap hi bataye ki aapne aaj tak lal kitab ke liye kya kiya hai? agar aap free bhi dekhte hai toh yeh bhi ek apne aap ko publicite karne ka ek stunt hai. is duniya

mein koi bhi aisa nahin jo apna personal interest chod de, main bhi nahin. lal kitab ke prachar ke liye yadi aap koi behtar tarika bata sakte hain toh main aapke sujhav ka swagat karta hoon aur promise karta hoon ki aapke sijhav ko pura amman diya jayega. meri baaton ko apne upar personal attacka na samajh kar, ek chhotey bhai ki bade bhai ko di gayi nasihat hi samajh lena. kyonki lal kitab se prem karne wala har shakhs mere bade bhai samaan hai..with regardschetan sud , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Kunwar ji;> Could you kindly elaborate as to what logics were discussed to break the myths about lalkitab.Recording hai aapke paas zara gaur se check kar ke batana.> Â > if you remember that

question NOT HIMAKAT you have no right to use WORDS LIKE HIMAKAT WHEN YOU INVITE SCHOLARS FROM TRADITIONAL AND OTHER SHCOOLS RELATED TO ASTROLOGY.> the question was CAN A PERSON WITH ASCENDANT VIRGO DO PITRI RIN UPAYA FOR BUDH i.e. BURNING OF KAUDI'S.> KYA JAWAB DIYA AAPNE?> ZARA BATANE KA KASHT KARO RECORDING DEKHA KARO.>  > GIGHI BANDH AAP SAB MAHAN JYANIYON KI.> //RANJIT JI NEY YADI YEH WORDS KEH B DIYE TO KUCHH GALT NAHI KAHA//> BILKUL GALAT KIYA JAWAB KYA DIYA BHAI JI US PRASHAN KARTA KO.> PAISE MAANGNE HAIN MAANGO KAUN ROKTA HAI. PAR USKE SAWAAL KA JAWAB TO DO.>  > //HAMNE SEMINAR LAL KITAB KE SHAAN MEIN USKE REHSYON KO LOGON KO BATANE KEY LIYE KARWAYA //>  >  KAUN SA RAHASYON KO SAMJHANE KI CHESHT KI AAPNE . EK SIMPLE SAWAAL KA JAWAB NI DE PAYE AAP.> LEAVE THIS QUESTION ASIDE. JUST TELL ME AUR KIS RAHASYA

KO SAMAJHANE KI CHESTA KI APNE.> Â > //NA KI LAL KITAB KE KHILAF BOLNE KEÂ LIYE//> JAB WOH SAJJAN TAANG PAR TAANG RAKH KAR STAGE PAR BAITH KAR BOL RAHA THA TO KYA LALKITAB KI SHAAN MEIN KASIDE PADH RAHA THA TAB KYON CHUP THE JIÂ AAP//> Â > PANDIT DURGA DAAS KE SAMMAN KA KYA HUA.> FOR AND IN INVITATION HIS NAME WAS USED BLATANTLY.> Â > BHAI JI BHANADARI SAHIB KI BAAT KARO UNSE.> Â > MUJHE DIPLOMACY NAHIN KARNI;BAAT PLAIN FACTS KI HOGI.> Â JIS TONE MEIN AAPNE BAAT SHURU KI OSI KO CONTINUE RAKHO.> MERI SOCH PAR TARAS KHAO.> Â > DUSHMAN JO HOTE AAP TO BAAT HI KYA THI;> APNON KO MANANA (SAMJHANA) HAI ZARA DER LAGEGI.> Â > Regards> Kulbir Bains.> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@

....>> > Tue, 19 January, 2010 4:29:23 AM> LK discussion group Re: LALKITAB PRACHAR SAMITI LUDHIAN FUNCTION DATED 17-1-2010> > Â > Dear Kunwar Sahib;> Â 1. KINDLY EXPLAIN AS TO HOW WHERE AND WHAT CONTRIBUTION WAS MADE FOR LALKITAB AT THIS FUNCTION.> 2. WHAT DID YOU EXPECT ME DO WHEN Mr. RANJIT ENDED THE FUNCTION AT THAT STAGE.> 3. KINDLY MADE THE UNEDITED RECORDING OF THE FUNCTION PUBLIC DIDN'T Mr.. RANJIT SAY HUMMEIN BAHAS KI NAHIN PAISON KI ZAROORAT HAI.> 4. KINDLY EXPLAIN THE REASON FOR WALKOUT AT Mr. BHANDARI'S ADDRESS.> 5. I KNOW MAHAJAN JI, UMESH JI AND ALL OTHERS IN AND OUT AND ALSO UNDERSTAND WHAT TRANSPIRED BEHIND THE SCENCE PRIOR TO THE FUNCTION AND AT THE

FUNCTION.> Â AAPKE MESSAGE SE QUOTE KAR RAHA HUN //kya aap key ya bhandari sahib key 5000 na dene sey "kya seminar ruk gya"// SO NOW THE CAT IS OUT OF THE BAG. YOU VALIDATED MY CLAIM. NEED I EXPLAIN MORE.> > KINDLY ANSWER THE ABOVE QUESTIONS;> > Best Wishes> Regards> Kulbir Bains.> > > > --- On Tue, 19/1/10, vishalastrologer <vishalastrologer@ .co. in> wrote:> > > >vishalastrologer <vishalastrologer@ ..co.. in>> >LK discussion group Re: LALKITAB PRACHAR SAMITI LUDHIAN FUNCTION DATED 17-1-2010> > > >Tuesday, 19 January, 2010, 9:15 AM> >> >> >Â > >Dear Kulbir Ji,> >yeh aap ki soch hai,har insaan ka nazaria alag-2 hota hai.ek insaan jo lal kitab key liye sincerly efforts kar raha hai

uski peeth thap thapana to door ki baat usme kamiyan nikalne wale bahut mil jayege.insaan galtiyon ka putla hai aur galti insaan sey hi hoti hai.kisi ko demoralise kar key aap kya sabit karna chahte hai.kya aap key ya bhandari sahib key 5000 na dene sey "kya seminar ruk gya".kya yeh function rupya ikatha karne key liye kiya gya tha.maaf karna mujhe aap ki soch pey taras aata hai..us akele insaan ne sari mehnat akele ki aur is function ko orgnise kiya yadi koi kami peshi thodi bahut reh b gayi to koi itni bari baat nahi jiska issue banaya jaye.kisi b tarah key function mey ya seminar mein har ek ko khush karna bahut mushkil hota hai aur waise b yeh seminar kisi ko khush karne key liye nahi rakha gya tha yeh mahajan ji ki lal kitab key prati samarpan ki bhawna hai jo unho ney jahir ki.main isko appriciate karta hu aur mahajan ji ko best> wishes deta hu ki wo bhavishya mein is seminaar se behtar intzaam kar saken.abi tak ludhiana mein kisi ne pehal

to nahi ki yadi ki hai to uske LIYE MAHJAN JI KO "HATS OFF"> >hum unke saath hain> >> >With Regards> >Kunwar Vishal> > , "varun_trvd" <varun_trvd@ ....> wrote:> >>> >>> >> Dear Kulbir bhai,> >>> >>> >>> >> An academic seminar or a discussion should be properly structured with a> >> definite agenda containing the topics / concepts which are going to be> >> deliberated upon.> >>> >>> >>> >> In the absence of any such agenda, any seminar would end being just a> >> get together, fraught with one-up-man ship games. Such events get> >> reduced to ‘you pat my back; I pat yours’ occasion. And> >> finally end up being an ordinary

PR exercise.> >>> >>> >>> >> It was so painful reading through your eye witness account where genuine> >> Lal Kitab scholars were not given an opportunity to place their point of> >> view and had to go through intentional hurt and humiliation.> >>> >>> >>> >> Kulbir bhai, a single unfortunate experience should not drive you to> >> frustration such that you decide to turn professional. Lal Kitab is a> >> free gift to the world; it will always continue to be so.> >>> >>> >>> >> Lal Kitab needs dedicated people like you to spread the knowledge and> >> continue serving the people free.> >>> >>> >>> >> Have a nice day,> >>> >>> >>> >>

Varun Trivedi> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> , Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ >> >> wrote:> >> >> >> > Dear Members,> >> >> >> > I am writing down the details of the seminar cum Jyotish camp held by> >> Lalkitab Prachar Samiti , Ludhiana on 17--01-2010 considering it my duty> >> as my name was mentioned in the advertisement and list of invitees. And> >> I have to apologize to a few. On solemn oath I swear and affirm that I> >> am writing only the truth and if an iota of bias, malice or favour is> >> found in this

post, the moderator may kindly ban my membership. I shall> >> have no qualms / regrets over it.> >> >> >> > The arrangements did show very good effort has been put up by Mr.> >> Jagmohan Mahajan, the hon’ble founder president of the by> >> Lalkitab Prachar Samiti , Ludhiana.> >> > The participants i.e. scholars like Mr. Vijay Goel had come from as> >> far as Jaipur.> >> > All participants were given class- 1 refreshments.> >> >> >> > It was a pleasure to see different warring groups/factions (as appears> >> from postings on net) from Ludhiana assisting Mr. Mahajan ji, notably> >> Mr. Ranjit , Mr. Chetan Sud etc.> >> > A stage was set for distinguished guests with a dais and good sound,> >> lighting, recording system in the hall. I left

the stage and occupied my> >> seat among the audience.> >> > I noticed that as advertised in the invitation a noticeable number of> >> scholars were sitting in the audience who had command over there> >> respective fields had come with thorough preparation. It is a different> >> thing that none got the opportunity to address the gathering. Hats off> >> to them they didn’t made an issue over it and instead preferred> >> to make an effort to learn from those on stage.> >> >> >> > A different place was set for practicing astrologers and people who> >> sell books, articles, items related to astrology and related fields.> >> >> >> > Umesh ji from Delhi was the Chief Guest for the occasion.> >> >> >> > Mr. Mahajan started the program with a

brief address followed by Umesh> >> Ji.> >> >> >> > Mr.Mahajan ji despite all his sincere had no team to assist and was> >> preparing all tasks right from presiding over the function, requesting> >> guests for refreshments, guiding people to astrologers for consultancy> >> to picking and adjusting chairs.> >> >> >> > I COULDN’T MAKE THE HEAD OR TAIL OF IT AS TO HOW AND WHERE WAS> >> THE PRACHAR OF LALKITAB BEING MADE BY THE SAMITI.> >> > It was more of a thanks giving motion, to persons on interpersonal> >> relations.> >> > I WAS AGHAST TO SEE THE LEVEL OF NEPOTISM. A young lad was called to> >> address the audience as he is a son of a professional astrologer of> >> Ludhiana who has a considerable clout .All he said was please>

>> don’t throw plastic bags in flowing water while doing remedies.> >> GOOD POINT the hall resounded with claps. But that was all; he had> >> nothing further to say.> >> > ABSOLUTELY NO OBJECTION TO IT.> >> >> >> > WHAT MADE ME AGHAST WAS THAT WHEN Mr. RABINDER BHANDARI BEGAN HIS> >> ADDRESS. THE AUDIENCE WAS LISTENING TO HIM IN RAPT ATTENTIOM AS HE WAS> >> TELLING ABOUT HIS EXPERIENCE WITH LALKITAB SINCE 1980 AND HOW HE> >> CONTRIBUTED TO BRING LALKITAB KNOWLEDGE TO INTERNATIONAL LEVEL. HE WAS> >> SHARING INVALUABLE INFORMATION AS TO HOW TO ANALYZE A CHART ACCORDING TO> >> LALKITAB.> >> > SUDDENLY WITHOUT ANY PROVOCATION OR EXCUSE ALL SEATED ON THE STAGE> >> ABANDONED THE STAGE. TO ADD INSULT TO INJURY THE STAGE OCCUPIERS AND> >> ORGANISERS WERE SEEN

REQUESTING THE AUDIENCE TO LEAVE THEIR CHAIRS AND> >> GO TO ASTROLOGERS WHO HAD PUT STALLS AT A SEPARATE PLACE FOR> >> CONSULTATION. SHAME ON YOU.> >> >> >> > Mr. Rabinder Bhandari begins his Sunday at 6 am until late evening and> >> people come from far and wide to consult him. This was probably his> >> first Sunday schedule cancelled upon my persistent requests.. He had> >> spent 2 days preparing for this lecture. I think his biggest fault was> >> that he did not contribute a fat sum of money to organizers in advance.> >> He is a thorough gentleman, had brought Rs. 5000/ for donation to samiti> >> and was adamant to give it to them but I put my foot down didn’t> >> let him give it to them.> >> >> >> > Then the second session started, a gentleman whose

caliber of lalkitab> >> knowledge is that he regularly comes on local TV channel, threw all> >> protocol to winds rather dustbin and after starting his speech from dais> >> seated him comfortably on the central seat on the stage, took of his one> >> shoe and put that leg on another and started his address with great> >> fanfare. He came there with army oh his chelas. I hope you all> >> understand what I mean by chelas.> >> >> >> > Umesh Ji tried to clear some his points but I can’t fathom Why> >> he handed over the mike to a gentleman with whom again he had some> >> interpersonal equation and that gentleman ( he too had his supporters)> >> had to offer lalkitab knowledge that some I.P.S officer consulted him> >> once..> >> >> >> > Dr. Amar

Aggarwal couldn’t tolerate all this and stood up from> >> his seat and head on confronted those seated / now standing on the> >> stage.> >> > Now the situation was very much like our parliament, legislative> >> assemblies i.e. only chairs were to be thrown at each other. I had to> >> rush to Dr. Aggarwal so that I take the first blow that comes towards> >> him> >> > The stage secretary Mr. Ranjit did show presence of mind and somehow> >> shrewdly ended the program abruptly.> >> >> >> > Mr. Vijay Goel came all the way from Jaipur to speak upon the topic of> >> career as per D10 charts and lalkitab but remained a silent spectator.> >> >> >> > Mr. Yograj Prabhakar ji’s sons came to the occasion to release> >> the E-Book

version of 1941 (which Yograj Ji had released on net just 5> >> days earlier). His sons’ had put in great effort in it and were> >> honoured. They deserved it and it was a good step but the re- release of> >> E- Version. I couldn’t understand.> >> >> >> > My apologies To Mr. Rabinder Bhandari Ji and Mr. Vijay Goel ji.> >> >> >> >> >> > My advise to all those who want to participate in such LALKITAB> >> PRACHAR seminars. KINDLY BUILD SOME RESORCE / RESERVE FOR MONEY, POWER,> >> INFLUENCE. FOR A PERSON’S KNOWLEDGE AT SUCH GATHERINGS IS JUDGED> >> BY THESE CRITERIAS ALONE.> >> > SORRY (FOR COURTESY SAKE ONLY) TO SAY. PT. BHOOSHAN PRIYA JI AND ALL> >> ASSOCIATED WITH ME. I AM GOING TO PRACTICE LALKITAB HENCEFORTH>

>> PROFESSIONALY (NO CONSULTATION WITHOUT MONEY).> >> > Regards> >> > Kulbir Bains.> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage..> >> http://in.. com/> >> >> >>> >> >> > ____________ _________ _________ __> The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.> > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/>

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