Guest guest Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 Sirs, Why should the sun in the 5th with Jupiter in the 10th house affect the spouse adversely? ‘vivah ek se adhik, stree par stree marti jaye’ although neither of them is associated with the 7th house. Faithfully , MP Jain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 Respected Jain Saheb, An excellent query indeed! This is a very good example as to how the Masnuyee components get affected. Sun placed in the 5th house will be under ‘takrav’ [conflict] from the Jupiter placed in the 10th house. Although the Sun and the Jupiter are natural friends, but when planets are in conflict [takrav] even a friend does not desist from harming the planet it is in conflict with. Therefore a neech Jupiter will harm the Sun placed 8th from it. Sun is composed of mercury + venus, its masnuyee components. Since mercury and the venus are the karaks of the 7th house, therefore it is natural that the significations of the 7th house are likely to get adversely affected. Regards, Varun Trivedi , " mpj571 " <mpj571 wrote: > > Sirs, > > Why should the sun in the 5th with Jupiter in the 10th house affect the spouse adversely? ‘vivah ek se adhik, stree par stree marti jaye’ although neither of them is associated with the 7th house. Faithfully , MP Jain > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2010 Report Share Posted January 28, 2010 Respected Varun ji, � Indeed a very good and a logical reply. Hats off. � chetan On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 6:10 PM, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: � Respected Jain Saheb,An excellent query indeed!This is a very good example as to how the Masnuyee components get affected.Sun placed in the 5th house will be under ‘takrav’ [conflict] from the Jupiter placed in the 10th house. Although the Sun and the Jupiter are natural friends, but when planets are in conflict [takrav] even a friend does not desist from harming the planet it is in conflict with. Therefore a neech Jupiter will harm the Sun placed 8th from it. Sun is composed of mercury + venus, its masnuyee components. Since mercury and the venus are the karaks of the 7th house, therefore it is natural that the significations of the 7th house are likely to get adversely affected. Regards,Varun Trivedi , " mpj571 " <mpj571 wrote:>> Sirs, > > Why should the sun in the 5th with Jupiter in the 10th house affect the spouse adversely? ‘vivah ek se adhik, stree par stree marti jaye’ although neither of them is associated with the 7th house. Faithfully , MP Jain > -- Regards,Chetan Sud (Marriage Coordinator)JEEVANSANJHI MATRIMONY (P) LTD & SHRI RADHEY KRISHANA MATRIMONIAL CONSULTANTS, B-34/8132, St. No. 9/7, Durgapuri,Haibowal Kalan, Ludhiana (Punjab)Ph: 0161-2485677, Cell: 098883-64014.Email: chetansud23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 Varun sir ji, Many thanks for explanation. I could not think of the masnuyi grah and effect on them. Faithfullly, MP Jain , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > Respected Jain Saheb, > > An excellent query indeed! > > This is a very good example as to how the Masnuyee components get affected. > > Sun placed in the 5th house will be under ‘takrav’ [conflict] from the Jupiter placed in the 10th house. Although the Sun and the Jupiter are natural friends, but when planets are in conflict [takrav] even a friend does not desist from harming the planet it is in conflict with. Therefore a neech Jupiter will harm the Sun placed 8th from it. > > Sun is composed of mercury + venus, its masnuyee components. Since mercury and the venus are the karaks of the 7th house, therefore it is natural that the significations of the 7th house are likely to get adversely affected. > > Regards, > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > , " mpj571 " <mpj571@> wrote: > > > > Sirs, > > > > Why should the sun in the 5th with Jupiter in the 10th house affect the spouse adversely? ‘vivah ek se adhik, stree par stree marti jaye’ although neither of them is associated with the 7th house. Faithfully , MP Jain > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 Sirs Agar masnuyee grah ke sath asal grah baitha ho to kya asar hoga 1:- Agar asal aur masnuyee grah dono apne ghar ya unch ghar/neech mein ho to kya asar hoga jaise ki Chander +Shani =neech Ketu in dono graho ke asal Ketu baitha ho ghar no 3 yahan do neech ketu ho gaye ya dono ghar no 9 mein ho to kya asar ho sakta hai, kya unch ketu ka asar madham ho jayega ghar no 9 mein aur neech ketu ka asar badh jayeaga ghar no 3 mein ( ya yehi yuti agar ghar no 6/12 mein ho ). 2:- Aise hee agar dusre masnuyee aur asal grah bhee sath baitho ho to kya asar ho sakta hai. kripya detail se samjha sake to aapki meharbani hogi. NICKY VERMA MULLANPUR DAKHA, LUDHIANA. --- On Thu, 1/28/10, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: > varun_trvd <varun_trvd > LK discussion group Re: Could you please clarify ? > > Thursday, January 28, 2010, 12:40 PM > > > > > > > > >  > > > Respected Jain Saheb, > > > > An excellent query indeed! > > > > This is a very good example as to how the Masnuyee > components get affected. > > > > Sun placed in the 5th house will be under > ‘takrav’ [conflict] from the Jupiter placed in > the 10th house. Although the Sun and the Jupiter are natural > friends, but when planets are in conflict [takrav] even a > friend does not desist from harming the planet it is in > conflict with. Therefore a neech Jupiter will harm the Sun > placed 8th from it. > > > > Sun is composed of mercury + venus, its masnuyee > components. Since mercury and the venus are the karaks of > the 7th house, therefore it is natural that the > significations of the 7th house are likely to get adversely > affected. > > > > Regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > , " mpj571 " <mpj571 > wrote: > > > > > > Sirs, > > > > > > Why should the sun in the 5th with Jupiter in the 10th > house affect the spouse adversely? ‘vivah ek se adhik, > stree par stree marti jaye’ although neither of them > is associated with the 7th house. Faithfully , MP Jain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 Respected Verma ji, [1] Saturn + moon [also forming neech Ketu] ; along with Ketu in the 3rd house will result in : [a] All the three planets will give their individual results which can be read from the book. and also, Give the results of Ketu neech twice over. Where as for Neech ketu twice over, I believe, it will menifest in two forms (i) as 'ulta kulhara'; the native when going out for any important work should avoid carrying a weapon; so much so that even seeing weapon [samane padna] could be a bad omen. (ii) Trouble through or from 'lohe ki safar [ketu] ki cheez' [2] If the same combination of Saturn + moon + ketu is posited in the 9th house then: [a] The three planets will give their individual results, which again can be read from the book. The combination will also result in the form of a neech ketu and an uchcha ketu. The uchcha ketu will menifest in the form of an able progeny where as the neech ketu is likely to adversely affect the karaks of moon i.e. the mother etc. You can go on logically analysing other such possibilities in the same way. Regards, Varun Trivedi , Nicky Verma <nicky.verma wrote: > > Sirs > > > > Agar masnuyee grah ke sath asal grah baitha ho to kya asar hoga > > 1:- Agar asal aur masnuyee grah dono apne ghar ya unch ghar/neech mein ho to kya asar hoga jaise ki Chander +Shani =neech Ketu in dono graho ke asal Ketu baitha ho ghar no 3 yahan do neech ketu ho gaye ya dono ghar no 9 mein ho to kya asar ho sakta hai, kya unch ketu ka asar madham ho jayega ghar no 9 mein aur neech ketu ka asar badh jayeaga ghar no 3 mein ( ya yehi yuti agar ghar no 6/12 mein ho ). > > 2:- Aise hee agar dusre masnuyee aur asal grah bhee sath baitho ho to kya asar ho sakta hai. > > kripya detail se samjha sake to aapki meharbani hogi. > > > NICKY VERMA > MULLANPUR DAKHA, > LUDHIANA. > > --- On Thu, 1/28/10, varun_trvd <varun_trvd wrote: > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd > > LK discussion group Re: Could you please clarify ? > > > > Thursday, January 28, 2010, 12:40 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Jain Saheb, > > > > > > > > An excellent query indeed! > > > > > > > > This is a very good example as to how the Masnuyee > > components get affected. > > > > > > > > Sun placed in the 5th house will be under > > ‘takrav’ [conflict] from the Jupiter placed in > > the 10th house. Although the Sun and the Jupiter are natural > > friends, but when planets are in conflict [takrav] even a > > friend does not desist from harming the planet it is in > > conflict with. Therefore a neech Jupiter will harm the Sun > > placed 8th from it. > > > > > > > > Sun is composed of mercury + venus, its masnuyee > > components. Since mercury and the venus are the karaks of > > the 7th house, therefore it is natural that the > > significations of the 7th house are likely to get adversely > > affected. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > , " mpj571 " <mpj571@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Sirs, > > > > > > > > > > Why should the sun in the 5th with Jupiter in the 10th > > house affect the spouse adversely? ‘vivah ek se adhik, > > stree par stree marti jaye’ although neither of them > > is associated with the 7th house. Faithfully , MP Jain > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Respected Varun ji & MP Jain Sahib, Sadar Namaskar,The condition is for male native or it will give same results for female native ?Secondly the above is for Sun alone in 5th and Jupitar alone in 10th house ?Whether result will be changed if sun is associated with other planet.mkjainvarun_trvd <varun_trvd Sent: Thu, 28 January, 2010 6:40:22 AMLK discussion group Re: Could you please clarify ? Respected Jain Saheb, An excellent query indeed! This is a very good example as to how the Masnuyee components get affected. Sun placed in the 5th house will be under ‘takrav’ [conflict] from the Jupiter placed in the 10th house. Although the Sun and the Jupiter are natural friends, but when planets are in conflict [takrav] even a friend does not desist from harming the planet it is in conflict with. Therefore a neech Jupiter will harm the Sun placed 8th from it. Sun is composed of mercury + venus, its masnuyee components. Since mercury and the venus are the karaks of the 7th house, therefore it is natural that the significations of the 7th house are likely to get adversely affected. Regards, Varun Trivedi , "mpj571" <mpj571 wrote: > > Sirs, > > Why should the sun in the 5th with Jupiter in the 10th house affect the spouse adversely? ‘vivah ek se adhik, stree par stree marti jaye’ although neither of them is associated with the 7th house. Faithfully , MP Jain > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Respected Jain saheb, It should affect both, men and women equally. Yes, the results should get moderated if there are other planets too either with the Sun or with the Jupiter. For the results, you may have to consult the Lal Kitab. Regards, Varun Trivedi , " M.K. Jain " <mkjain47 wrote: > > Respected Varun ji , > > Sadar Namaskar, > > > The condition is for male native or it will give same results for female native ? > > Secondly the above is for Sun alone in 5th and Jupitar alone in 10th house ? > > Whether result will be changed if sun is associated with other planet. > > > mkjain > > > > > > ________________________________ > varun_trvd <varun_trvd > > Thu, 28 January, 2010 6:40:22 AM > LK discussion group Re: Could you please clarify ? > > > Respected Jain Saheb, > > An excellent query indeed! > > This is a very good example as to how the Masnuyee components get affected. > > Sun placed in the 5th house will be under ‘takrav’ [conflict] from the Jupiter placed in the 10th house. Although the Sun and the Jupiter are natural friends, but when planets are in conflict [takrav] even a friend does not desist from harming the planet it is in conflict with. Therefore a neech Jupiter will harm the Sun placed 8th from it. > > Sun is composed of mercury + venus, its masnuyee components. Since mercury and the venus are the karaks of the 7th house, therefore it is natural that the significations of the 7th house are likely to get adversely affected. > > Regards, > > Varun Trivedi > > , " mpj571 " <mpj571@> wrote: > > > > Sirs, > > > > Why should the sun in the 5th with Jupiter in the 10th house affect the spouse adversely? ‘vivah ek se adhik, stree par stree marti jaye’ although neither of them is associated with the 7th house. Faithfully , MP Jain > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads./in/internetexplorer/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > Respected Jain Saheb, > > An excellent query indeed! > > This is a very good example as to how the Masnuyee components get affected. > > Sun placed in the 5th house will be under ‘takrav’ [conflict] from the Jupiter placed in the 10th house. Although the Sun and the Jupiter are natural friends, but when planets are in conflict [takrav] even a friend does not desist from harming the planet it is in conflict with. Therefore a neech Jupiter will harm the Sun placed 8th from it. > > Sun is composed of mercury + venus, its masnuyee components. Since mercury and the venus are the karaks of the 7th house, therefore it is natural that the significations of the 7th house are likely to get adversely affected. > > Regards, > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > , " mpj571 " <mpj571@> wrote: > > > > Sirs, > > > > Why should the sun in the 5th with Jupiter in the 10th house affect the spouse adversely? ‘vivah ek se adhik, stree par stree marti jaye’ although neither of them is associated with the 7th house. Faithfully , MP Jain > > > >Respected Varun Ji, >Lal Kitab mein ek jgeh likha hai ke jab suraj par koi greh hamla karega to voh apni jageh bali ka bakra ketu ko banayega.kya es kes mein aulad ki halat bhi mandi hogi ya sirf aurat pe aurat hi maregi? Regards, Rakesh Kumar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 Respected Rakesh ji, Yes, You are right. There could be a possibility that the adverse effect is passed on to Ketu as a scape goat. Regards, Varun Trivedi , " Rakesh " <rakesh_771119 wrote: > > > > , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > Respected Jain Saheb, > > > > An excellent query indeed! > > > > This is a very good example as to how the Masnuyee components get affected. > > > > Sun placed in the 5th house will be under ‘takrav’ [conflict] from the Jupiter placed in the 10th house. Although the Sun and the Jupiter are natural friends, but when planets are in conflict [takrav] even a friend does not desist from harming the planet it is in conflict with. Therefore a neech Jupiter will harm the Sun placed 8th from it. > > > > Sun is composed of mercury + venus, its masnuyee components. Since mercury and the venus are the karaks of the 7th house, therefore it is natural that the significations of the 7th house are likely to get adversely affected. > > > > Regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " mpj571 " <mpj571@> wrote: > > > > > > Sirs, > > > > > > Why should the sun in the 5th with Jupiter in the 10th house affect the spouse adversely? ‘vivah ek se adhik, stree par stree marti jaye’ although neither of them is associated with the 7th house. Faithfully , MP Jain > > > > > > >Respected Varun Ji, > >Lal Kitab mein ek jgeh likha hai ke jab suraj par koi greh hamla karega to voh apni jageh bali ka bakra ketu ko banayega.kya es kes mein aulad ki halat bhi mandi hogi ya sirf aurat pe aurat hi maregi? > Regards, > Rakesh Kumar > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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