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Dear Sir,

 

If Saturn is H7 (birth chart) and the native does not get married by/before age

of 22 years then this may affect the eyes of the native (blindness). Quote "

Sanichar khana no. 7 wale ki shadi agar 22 sala umar tak na ho toh uski nazar

bebuniyad(andhapan)hogi "

 

1. Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the native will lose

track of his/her life i.e. what is good or bad?

2. If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the remedies?

 

Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good results. While the

referred statement is very strong in its nature and consequences are severe.

Hence, request scholars to kindly throw light on the subject.

 

Regards,

lklearn

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Respected Scholars,

 

Request for your comments, analysis and remedies in light of Lal Kitab.

 

Thanks......

lklearn

 

, " lklearn " <haindi wrote:

>

> Dear Sir,

>

> If Saturn is H7 (birth chart) and the native does not get married by/before

age of 22 years then this may affect the eyes of the native (blindness). Quote "

Sanichar khana no. 7 wale ki shadi agar 22 sala umar tak na ho toh uski nazar

bebuniyad(andhapan)hogi "

>

> 1. Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the native will lose

track of his/her life i.e. good or bad?

> 2. If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the remedies?

>

> Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good results. While the

referred statement is very strong in its nature and consequences are severe.

Hence, request scholars to kindly throw light on the subject.

>

> Regards,

> lklearn

>

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Respected Haindi ji,

 

You have said:

 

//[1] Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the native will losetrack of his/her life i.e. what is good or bad?//

 

You are very right.

 

The statement can be taken to mean both literally and figuratively. Literally i.e. the jatak might have eye problem because both the house representing eyes 12th [left eye] and 2nd [right eye] are in 6-8 position from the Saturn placed in the 7th. Figuratively i.e. the Saturn as the lord of the 10th house Karm [profession] of the Cardinal Kundali [kal purush kundali] may not be able to give entire results unless the Venus [wife] is established before the age of the sun and the moon begins. If you notice the book says “dar asal shanishchar ki buniyad shukra hi hoga†[page 618;note # 5; 1952 Urdu ed]

 

You have said :

// [2] If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the remedies?//

 

One should establish Venus either by keeping a maid servant in the house or keeping a cow.

You have said:

//Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good results.//

 

As said earlier, Saturn will give good results so long as venus is well established. If the venus is not established the Saturn will be ‘be-buniyad’. Once the Saturn is be-buniyad, then expecting exalted results would be far cry.

 

Regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "lklearn" <haindi wrote:>> Dear Sir,> > If Saturn is H7 (birth chart) and the native does not get married by/before age of 22 years then this may affect the eyes of the native (blindness). Quote " Sanichar khana no. 7 wale ki shadi agar 22 sala umar tak na ho toh uski nazar bebuniyad(andhapan)hogi"> > 1. Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the native will lose track of his/her life i.e. what is good or bad?> 2. If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the remedies?> > Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good results. While the referred statement is very strong in its nature and consequences are severe. Hence, request scholars to kindly throw light on the subject. > > Regards,> lklearn>

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Dear FRIENDS,i have Saturn in 7H.i WAS MARRIED IN 26YH YEAR of age,I never had any eye problem. I started using specks after the age of 42 years.This was the normal affect of age.This means there are more to this dictum which may be searched. 'NAZAR BEBUNIAD HOGI ' MAY MEAN THAT HE MAY NOT have ANY AIM IN LIFE ,THIS IS TRUE , i NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT MY FUTURE BUT I PROGRESSED WELL.marriage may bring some meaning to their life.Regards, G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIAlklearn <haindi Sent: Thu, 18 February, 2010 3:00:17 AMLK discussion group Re: Saturn in H7

 

 

Respected Scholars,

 

Request for your comments, analysis and remedies in light of Lal Kitab.

 

Thanks......

lklearn

 

, "lklearn" <haindi wrote:

>

> Dear Sir,

>

> If Saturn is H7 (birth chart) and the native does not get married by/before age of 22 years then this may affect the eyes of the native (blindness). Quote " Sanichar khana no. 7 wale ki shadi agar 22 sala umar tak na ho toh uski nazar bebuniyad(andhapan) hogi"

>

> 1. Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the native will lose track of his/her life i.e. good or bad?

> 2. If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the remedies?

>

> Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good results. While the referred statement is very strong in its nature and consequences are severe. Hence, request scholars to kindly throw light on the subject.

>

> Regards,

> lklearn

>

 

 

 

 

 

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Respected Goel Saheb,

 

 

You could be very right !

 

As I had suggested in my reply earlier, there could be a figurative meaning to

this dictum as well; and that appears to be the one you have mentioned i.e.

nazar be-buniyad , perception > not rooted; not focussed; aimless & disoriented.

 

Thank you sir for your insight.

 

 

 

With respect & Regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote:

>

> Dear FRIENDS,

> i have Saturn in 7H.

> i WAS MARRIED IN 26YH YEAR of age,

> I never had any eye problem.

> I started using specks after the age of 42 years.

> This was the normal affect of age.

> This means there are more to this dictum which may be

> searched.

> 'NAZAR BEBUNIAD HOGI ' MAY MEAN THAT HE MAY NOT have ANY AIM IN

> LIFE ,THIS IS TRUE , i NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT MY FUTURE BUT I PROGRESSED WELL.

> marriage may bring some meaning to their life.

> Regards,

>

>

> G.K.GOEL

> Ph: 09350311433

> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> NEW DELHI-110 076

> INDIA

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> lklearn <haindi

>

> Thu, 18 February, 2010 3:00:17 AM

> LK discussion group Re: Saturn in H7

>

>

> Respected Scholars,

>

> Request for your comments, analysis and remedies in light of Lal Kitab.

>

> Thanks......

> lklearn

>

> , " lklearn " <haindi@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> > If Saturn is H7 (birth chart) and the native does not get married by/before

age of 22 years then this may affect the eyes of the native (blindness). Quote "

Sanichar khana no. 7 wale ki shadi agar 22 sala umar tak na ho toh uski nazar

bebuniyad(andhapan) hogi "

> >

> > 1. Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the native will lose

track of his/her life i.e. good or bad?

> > 2. If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the remedies?

> >

> > Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good results. While the

referred statement is very strong in its nature and consequences are severe.

Hence, request scholars to kindly throw light on the subject.

> >

> > Regards,

> > lklearn

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Respected Varun ji,

 

Very nice explaination. I appreciate the details given by you.

 

In short, the answer lies with Venus which signifies H7 i.e. spouse.

 

As for remedies I have one query as follows:

Now a days (generally) a middle class family has a maid servant to do the small

jobs at home like sweeping, cleaning/wiping the floor, cleaning/washing the

utensils, etc.

The maid servant referred in your message is as above (part-time) or it is

expected that the maid servant must stay with the native's family throughout.

 

Once again thanks for your elaborate answer.

 

Regards,

lklearn

 

, " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote:

>

>

> Respected Haindi ji,

 

You have said:

> //[1] Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the native will

lose track of his/her life i.e. what is good or bad?//

 

> You are very right.

 

> The statement can be taken to mean both literally and figuratively.

> Literally i.e. the jatak might have eye problem because both the house

representing eyes 12th [left eye] and 2nd [right eye] are in 6-8

> position from the Saturn placed in the 7th. Figuratively i.e. the Saturn as

the lord of the 10th house Karm [profession] of the Cardinal Kundali[kal purush

kundali] may not be able to give entire results unless the Venus [wife] is

established before the age of the sun and the moon begins. If you notice the

book says “dar asal shanishchar ki buniyad shukra hi hoga†[page 618;note #

5; 1952 Urdu ed]

>

> You have said :

>

> // [2] If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the

> remedies?//

 

> One should establish Venus either by keeping a maid servant in the house or

keeping a cow.

>

> You have said:

 

> //Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good results.//

>

> As said earlier, Saturn will give good results so long as venus is well

established. If the venus is not established the Saturn will be

> " be-buniyad†" . Once the Saturn is be-buniyad, then expecting exalted results

would be far cry.

>

> Regards,

> Varun Trivedi

>

>

> , " lklearn " <haindi@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> >

> > If Saturn is H7 (birth chart) and the native does not get married

> by/before age of 22 years then this may affect the eyes of the native

> (blindness). Quote " Sanichar khana no. 7 wale ki shadi agar 22 sala

> umar tak na ho toh uski nazar bebuniyad(andhapan)hogi "

> >

> > 1. Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the native

> will lose track of his/her life i.e. what is good or bad?

> > 2. If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the remedies?

> >

> > Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good results. While

> the referred statement is very strong in its nature and consequences are

> severe. Hence, request scholars to kindly throw light on the subject.

> >

> > Regards,

> > lklearn

> >

>

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Respected Goel ji,

 

Great!!! Your answer is highly appreciated.

 

Experience helps interpretation. As rightly pointed out by you and further by

respected Varunji - it is the figurative side of interpretation which we should

keep in mind while studying Lal Kitab.

 

Sharing experiences is one of the important objective of participating in any

forum so that we all learn together.

 

Thanks and regards,

lklearn

 

, " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote:

>

> Respected Goel Saheb,

>

>

> You could be very right !

>

> As I had suggested in my reply earlier, there could be a figurative meaning to

this dictum as well; and that appears to be the one you have mentioned i.e.

nazar be-buniyad , perception > not rooted; not focussed; aimless & disoriented.

>

> Thank you sir for your insight.

>

>

>

> With respect & Regards,

>

> Varun Trivedi

>

>

>

>

>

, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear FRIENDS,

> > i have Saturn in 7H.

> > i WAS MARRIED IN 26YH YEAR of age,

> > I never had any eye problem.

> > I started using specks after the age of 42 years.

> > This was the normal affect of age.

> > This means there are more to this dictum which may be

> > searched.

> > 'NAZAR BEBUNIAD HOGI ' MAY MEAN THAT HE MAY NOT have ANY AIM IN

> > LIFE ,THIS IS TRUE , i NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT MY FUTURE BUT I PROGRESSED WELL.

> > marriage may bring some meaning to their life.

> > Regards,

> >

> >

> > G.K.GOEL

> > Ph: 09350311433

> > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> > NEW DELHI-110 076

> > INDIA

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > lklearn <haindi@>

> >

> > Thu, 18 February, 2010 3:00:17 AM

> > LK discussion group Re: Saturn in H7

> >

> >

> > Respected Scholars,

> >

> > Request for your comments, analysis and remedies in light of Lal Kitab.

> >

> > Thanks......

> > lklearn

> >

> > , " lklearn " <haindi@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sir,

> > >

> > > If Saturn is H7 (birth chart) and the native does not get married

by/before age of 22 years then this may affect the eyes of the native

(blindness). Quote " Sanichar khana no. 7 wale ki shadi agar 22 sala umar tak na

ho toh uski nazar bebuniyad(andhapan) hogi "

> > >

> > > 1. Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the native will

lose track of his/her life i.e. good or bad?

> > > 2. If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the remedies?

> > >

> > > Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good results. While the

referred statement is very strong in its nature and consequences are severe.

Hence, request scholars to kindly throw light on the subject.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > lklearn

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW!

http://downloads./in/internetexplorer/

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Respeted Haindi ji,

 

A venus would be considered established only if a lady comes to stay with the

family permanently either as a wife or as a maid servant.

 

Regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

, " lklearn " <haindi wrote:

>

> Respected Varun ji,

>

> Very nice explaination. I appreciate the details given by you.

>

> In short, the answer lies with Venus which signifies H7 i.e. spouse.

>

> As for remedies I have one query as follows:

> Now a days (generally) a middle class family has a maid servant to do the

small jobs at home like sweeping, cleaning/wiping the floor, cleaning/washing

the utensils, etc.

> The maid servant referred in your message is as above (part-time) or it is

expected that the maid servant must stay with the native's family throughout.

>

> Once again thanks for your elaborate answer.

>

> Regards,

> lklearn

>

> , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Respected Haindi ji,

>

> You have said:

> > //[1] Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the native will

lose track of his/her life i.e. what is good or bad?//

>

> > You are very right.

>

> > The statement can be taken to mean both literally and figuratively.

> > Literally i.e. the jatak might have eye problem because both the house

representing eyes 12th [left eye] and 2nd [right eye] are in 6-8

> > position from the Saturn placed in the 7th. Figuratively i.e. the Saturn as

the lord of the 10th house Karm [profession] of the Cardinal Kundali[kal purush

kundali] may not be able to give entire results unless the Venus [wife] is

established before the age of the sun and the moon begins. If you notice the

book says “dar asal shanishchar ki buniyad shukra hi hoga†[page 618;note #

5; 1952 Urdu ed]

> >

> > You have said :

> >

> > // [2] If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the

> > remedies?//

>

> > One should establish Venus either by keeping a maid servant in the house or

keeping a cow.

> >

> > You have said:

>

> > //Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good results.//

> >

> > As said earlier, Saturn will give good results so long as venus is well

established. If the venus is not established the Saturn will be

> > " be-buniyad�� " . Once the Saturn is be-buniyad, then expecting exalted

results would be far cry.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Varun Trivedi

> >

> >

> > , " lklearn " <haindi@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sir,

> > >

> > > If Saturn is H7 (birth chart) and the native does not get married

> > by/before age of 22 years then this may affect the eyes of the native

> > (blindness). Quote " Sanichar khana no. 7 wale ki shadi agar 22 sala

> > umar tak na ho toh uski nazar bebuniyad(andhapan)hogi "

> > >

> > > 1. Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the native

> > will lose track of his/her life i.e. what is good or bad?

> > > 2. If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the remedies?

> > >

> > > Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good results. While

> > the referred statement is very strong in its nature and consequences are

> > severe. Hence, request scholars to kindly throw light on the subject.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > lklearn

> > >

> >

>

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Dear Tirvedi ji,Maid (in olden days called dhai ) is represented by Mars . As soon she becomes Venus , There will be problems .No doubt Saturn will get direction but may not be palatable for family in long run. G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIAvarun_trvd <varun_trvdTo:

Sent: Sat, 20 February, 2010 10:50:44 AMLK discussion group Re: Saturn in H7

 

 

Respeted Haindi ji,

 

A venus would be considered established only if a lady comes to stay with the family permanently either as a wife or as a maid servant.

 

Regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

, "lklearn" <haindi wrote:

>

> Respected Varun ji,

>

> Very nice explaination. I appreciate the details given by you.

>

> In short, the answer lies with Venus which signifies H7 i.e. spouse.

>

> As for remedies I have one query as follows:

> Now a days (generally) a middle class family has a maid servant to do the small jobs at home like sweeping, cleaning/wiping the floor, cleaning/washing the utensils, etc.

> The maid servant referred in your message is as above (part-time) or it is expected that the maid servant must stay with the native's family throughout.

>

> Once again thanks for your elaborate answer.

>

> Regards,

> lklearn

>

> , "varun_trvd" <varun_trvd@ > wrote:

> >

> >

> > Respected Haindi ji,

>

> You have said:

> > //[1] Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the native will lose track of his/her life i.e. what is good or bad?//

>

> > You are very right.

>

> > The statement can be taken to mean both literally and figuratively.

> > Literally i.e. the jatak might have eye problem because both the house representing eyes 12th [left eye] and 2nd [right eye] are in 6-8

> > position from the Saturn placed in the 7th. Figuratively i.e. the Saturn as the lord of the 10th house Karm [profession] of the Cardinal Kundali[kal purush kundali] may not be able to give entire results unless the Venus [wife] is established before the age of the sun and the moon begins. If you notice the book says “dar asal shanishchar ki buniyad shukra hi hoga†[page 618;note # 5; 1952 Urdu ed]

> >

> > You have said :

> >

> > // [2] If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the

> > remedies?//

>

> > One should establish Venus either by keeping a maid servant in the house or keeping a cow.

> >

> > You have said:

>

> > //Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good results.//

> >

> > As said earlier, Saturn will give good results so long as venus is well established. If the venus is not established the Saturn will be

> > "be-buniyad��". Once the Saturn is be-buniyad, then expecting exalted results would be far cry.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Varun Trivedi

> >

> >

> > , "lklearn" <haindi@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sir,

> > >

> > > If Saturn is H7 (birth chart) and the native does not get married

> > by/before age of 22 years then this may affect the eyes of the native

> > (blindness). Quote " Sanichar khana no. 7 wale ki shadi agar 22 sala

> > umar tak na ho toh uski nazar bebuniyad(andhapan) hogi"

> > >

> > > 1. Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the native

> > will lose track of his/her life i.e. what is good or bad?

> > > 2. If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the remedies?

> > >

> > > Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good results. While

> > the referred statement is very strong in its nature and consequences are

> > severe. Hence, request scholars to kindly throw light on the subject.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > lklearn

> > >

> >

>

 

 

 

 

 

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Respected Goel saheb,

 

 

An unrelated lady is a karak of venus, unlike the mother [moon] sister,bua or

mausi [mercury].

 

Therefore establishing a venus in the form of a maid servant till the marriage,

when Venus gets formally installed, could be a possible upaya.

 

It is not necessary that the maid servant is retained even after the marriage

when the venus gets established thorugh marriage.

 

Incidentally, a Dhai has a different connotation. A maid servant is not a Dhai.

Dhai used to be half-mother who fed her milk to the new born child. Panna dhai

is a classical character, we all have heard about.

 

Regards and respect,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote:

>

> Dear Trivedi ji,

>

>

> Maid (in olden days called dhai ) is represented by Mars .

> As soon she becomes Venus , There will be problems .

> No doubt Saturn will get direction but may not be palatable

> for family in long run.

>

>

>

> G.K.GOEL

> Ph: 09350311433

> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> NEW DELHI-110 076

> INDIA

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> varun_trvd <varun_trvd

>

> Sat, 20 February, 2010 10:50:44 AM

> LK discussion group Re: Saturn in H7

>

>

> Respeted Haindi ji,

>

> A venus would be considered established only if a lady comes to stay with the

family permanently either as a wife or as a maid servant.

>

> Regards,

>

> Varun Trivedi

>

> , " lklearn " <haindi@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Varun ji,

> >

> > Very nice explaination. I appreciate the details given by you.

> >

> > In short, the answer lies with Venus which signifies H7 i.e. spouse.

> >

> > As for remedies I have one query as follows:

> > Now a days (generally) a middle class family has a maid servant to do the

small jobs at home like sweeping, cleaning/wiping the floor, cleaning/washing

the utensils, etc.

> > The maid servant referred in your message is as above (part-time) or it is

expected that the maid servant must stay with the native's family throughout.

> >

> > Once again thanks for your elaborate answer.

> >

> > Regards,

> > lklearn

> >

> > , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd@ >

wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Respected Haindi ji,

> >

> > You have said:

> > > //[1] Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the native will

lose track of his/her life i.e. what is good or bad?//

> >

> > > You are very right.

> >

> > > The statement can be taken to mean both literally and figuratively.

> > > Literally i.e. the jatak might have eye problem because both the house

representing eyes 12th [left eye] and 2nd [right eye] are in 6-8

> > > position from the Saturn placed in the 7th. Figuratively i.e. the Saturn

as the lord of the 10th house Karm [profession] of the Cardinal Kundali[kal

purush kundali] may not be able to give entire results unless the Venus [wife]

is established before the age of the sun and the moon begins. If you notice the

book says “dar asal shanishchar ki buniyad shukra hi hoga†[page 618;note #

5; 1952 Urdu ed]

> > >

> > > You have said :

> > >

> > > // [2] If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the

> > > remedies?//

> >

> > > One should establish Venus either by keeping a maid servant in the house

or keeping a cow.

> > >

> > > You have said:

> >

> > > //Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good results.//

> > >

> > > As said earlier, Saturn will give good results so long as venus is well

established. If the venus is not established the Saturn will be

> > > " be-buniyad�� " . Once the Saturn is be-buniyad, then expecting exalted

results would be far cry.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Varun Trivedi

> > >

> > >

> > > , " lklearn " <haindi@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sir,

> > > >

> > > > If Saturn is H7 (birth chart) and the native does not get married

> > > by/before age of 22 years then this may affect the eyes of the native

> > > (blindness). Quote " Sanichar khana no. 7 wale ki shadi agar 22 sala

> > > umar tak na ho toh uski nazar bebuniyad(andhapan) hogi "

> > > >

> > > > 1. Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the native

> > > will lose track of his/her life i.e. what is good or bad?

> > > > 2. If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the remedies?

> > > >

> > > > Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good results. While

> > > the referred statement is very strong in its nature and consequences are

> > > severe. Hence, request scholars to kindly throw light on the subject.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > lklearn

> > > >

> > >

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Dear Trivedi ji,You are right , any female represented by Venus , till her position is assigns her to other planet.To my understanding Maid should be represented by Mars.Kindly think over. We will try to reach some consensus.One thing is clear ,that when Saturn is placed in 7H , we have to thinkover in what form Venus should be brought in , Jiva ,Moola or Dhatu.Lal KItab Says that If Saturn is in 7H , with Mars and Venus , it produces good results.I feel Marriage by 22 yrs a best way. Even If marriage is delayed , wife shouldtake the help of maid in household work for better results.I am not very adept in Lal kitab , kindly do correct me.Regards, G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110

076INDIAvarun_trvd <varun_trvd Sent: Sat, 20 February, 2010 12:53:51 PMLK discussion group Re: Saturn in H7

 

 

Respected Goel saheb,

 

An unrelated lady is a karak of venus, unlike the mother [moon] sister,bua or mausi [mercury].

 

Therefore establishing a venus in the form of a maid servant till the marriage, when Venus gets formally installed, could be a possible upaya.

 

It is not necessary that the maid servant is retained even after the marriage when the venus gets established thorugh marriage.

 

Incidentally, a Dhai has a different connotation. A maid servant is not a Dhai. Dhai used to be half-mother who fed her milk to the new born child. Panna dhai is a classical character, we all have heard about.

 

Regards and respect,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear Trivedi ji,

>

>

> Maid (in olden days called dhai ) is represented by Mars .

> As soon she becomes Venus , There will be problems .

> No doubt Saturn will get direction but may not be palatable

> for family in long run.

>

>

>

> G.K.GOEL

> Ph: 09350311433

> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> NEW DELHI-110 076

> INDIA

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...>

>

> Sat, 20 February, 2010 10:50:44 AM

> LK discussion group Re: Saturn in H7

>

>

> Respeted Haindi ji,

>

> A venus would be considered established only if a lady comes to stay with the family permanently either as a wife or as a maid servant.

>

> Regards,

>

> Varun Trivedi

>

> , "lklearn" <haindi@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Varun ji,

> >

> > Very nice explaination. I appreciate the details given by you.

> >

> > In short, the answer lies with Venus which signifies H7 i.e. spouse.

> >

> > As for remedies I have one query as follows:

> > Now a days (generally) a middle class family has a maid servant to do the small jobs at home like sweeping, cleaning/wiping the floor, cleaning/washing the utensils, etc.

> > The maid servant referred in your message is as above (part-time) or it is expected that the maid servant must stay with the native's family throughout.

> >

> > Once again thanks for your elaborate answer.

> >

> > Regards,

> > lklearn

> >

> > , "varun_trvd" <varun_trvd@ > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Respected Haindi ji,

> >

> > You have said:

> > > //[1] Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the native will lose track of his/her life i.e. what is good or bad?//

> >

> > > You are very right.

> >

> > > The statement can be taken to mean both literally and figuratively.

> > > Literally i.e. the jatak might have eye problem because both the house representing eyes 12th [left eye] and 2nd [right eye] are in 6-8

> > > position from the Saturn placed in the 7th. Figuratively i.e. the Saturn as the lord of the 10th house Karm [profession] of the Cardinal Kundali[kal purush kundali] may not be able to give entire results unless the Venus [wife] is established before the age of the sun and the moon begins. If you notice the book says “dar asal shanishchar ki buniyad shukra hi hoga†[page 618;note # 5; 1952 Urdu ed]

> > >

> > > You have said :

> > >

> > > // [2] If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the

> > > remedies?//

> >

> > > One should establish Venus either by keeping a maid servant in the house or keeping a cow.

> > >

> > > You have said:

> >

> > > //Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good results.//

> > >

> > > As said earlier, Saturn will give good results so long as venus is well established. If the venus is not established the Saturn will be

> > > "be-buniyad��". Once the Saturn is be-buniyad, then expecting exalted results would be far cry.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Varun Trivedi

> > >

> > >

> > > , "lklearn" <haindi@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sir,

> > > >

> > > > If Saturn is H7 (birth chart) and the native does not get married

> > > by/before age of 22 years then this may affect the eyes of the native

> > > (blindness). Quote " Sanichar khana no. 7 wale ki shadi agar 22 sala

> > > umar tak na ho toh uski nazar bebuniyad(andhapan) hogi"

> > > >

> > > > 1. Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the native

> > > will lose track of his/her life i.e. what is good or bad?

> > > > 2. If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the remedies?

> > > >

> > > > Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good results. While

> > > the referred statement is very strong in its nature and consequences are

> > > severe. Hence, request scholars to kindly throw light on the subject.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > lklearn

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

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Respected Goel saheb,

 

Since the Saturn placed in the 7th house would be 'be-buniyad' [without

foundation] in the absence of a well established Venus, I had suggested that

such a person should get Venus established in the form of either a cow or a maid

servant so that a 'buniyad' is provided to the Saturn.

 

Your interpretation that a maid servant is a karak of Mars could also be

logically very appropriate.

 

One of the upaya suggested for Saturn in the 7th, when the 1st house is

unoccupied,is to establish honey [mars] at home. This upaya had been suggested

to awaken the dormant saturn [dormant because the 1st house is unoccupied]

 

With respect and regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote:

>

> Dear Trivedi ji,

> You are right , any female represented by Venus , till her position is assigns

> her to other planet.

> To my understanding Maid should be represented by Mars.

> Kindly think over. We will try to reach some consensus.

> One thing is clear ,that when Saturn is placed in 7H , we have to think

> over in what form Venus should be brought in , Jiva ,Moola or Dhatu.

> Lal KItab Says that If Saturn is in 7H , with Mars and Venus , it produces

good results.

> I feel Marriage by 22 yrs a best way. Even If marriage is delayed , wife

should

> take the help of maid in household work for better results.

> I am not very adept in Lal kitab , kindly do correct me.

> Regards,

>

>

> G.K.GOEL

> Ph: 09350311433

> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> NEW DELHI-110 076

> INDIA

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> varun_trvd <varun_trvd

>

> Sat, 20 February, 2010 12:53:51 PM

> LK discussion group Re: Saturn in H7

>

>

> Respected Goel saheb,

>

> An unrelated lady is a karak of venus, unlike the mother [moon] sister,bua or

mausi [mercury].

>

> Therefore establishing a venus in the form of a maid servant till the

marriage, when Venus gets formally installed, could be a possible upaya.

>

> It is not necessary that the maid servant is retained even after the marriage

when the venus gets established thorugh marriage.

>

> Incidentally, a Dhai has a different connotation. A maid servant is not a

Dhai. Dhai used to be half-mother who fed her milk to the new born child. Panna

dhai is a classical character, we all have heard about.

>

> Regards and respect,

>

> Varun Trivedi

>

> , Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Trivedi ji,

> >

> >

> > Maid (in olden days called dhai ) is represented by Mars .

> > As soon she becomes Venus , There will be problems .

> > No doubt Saturn will get direction but may not be palatable

> > for family in long run.

> >

> >

> >

> > G.K.GOEL

> > Ph: 09350311433

> > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> > NEW DELHI-110 076

> > INDIA

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...>

> >

> > Sat, 20 February, 2010 10:50:44 AM

> > LK discussion group Re: Saturn in H7

> >

> >

> > Respeted Haindi ji,

> >

> > A venus would be considered established only if a lady comes to stay with

the family permanently either as a wife or as a maid servant.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Varun Trivedi

> >

> > , " lklearn " <haindi@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Varun ji,

> > >

> > > Very nice explaination. I appreciate the details given by you.

> > >

> > > In short, the answer lies with Venus which signifies H7 i.e. spouse.

> > >

> > > As for remedies I have one query as follows:

> > > Now a days (generally) a middle class family has a maid servant to do the

small jobs at home like sweeping, cleaning/wiping the floor, cleaning/washing

the utensils, etc.

> > > The maid servant referred in your message is as above (part-time) or it is

expected that the maid servant must stay with the native's family throughout.

> > >

> > > Once again thanks for your elaborate answer.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > lklearn

> > >

> > > , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd@ >

wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Respected Haindi ji,

> > >

> > > You have said:

> > > > //[1] Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the native

will lose track of his/her life i.e. what is good or bad?//

> > >

> > > > You are very right.

> > >

> > > > The statement can be taken to mean both literally and figuratively.

> > > > Literally i.e. the jatak might have eye problem because both the house

representing eyes 12th [left eye] and 2nd [right eye] are in 6-8

> > > > position from the Saturn placed in the 7th. Figuratively i.e. the Saturn

as the lord of the 10th house Karm [profession] of the Cardinal Kundali[kal

purush kundali] may not be able to give entire results unless the Venus [wife]

is established before the age of the sun and the moon begins. If you notice the

book says “dar asal shanishchar ki buniyad shukra hi hoga†[page 618;note #

5; 1952 Urdu ed]

> > > >

> > > > You have said :

> > > >

> > > > // [2] If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the

> > > > remedies?//

> > >

> > > > One should establish Venus either by keeping a maid servant in the house

or keeping a cow.

> > > >

> > > > You have said:

> > >

> > > > //Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good results.//

> > > >

> > > > As said earlier, Saturn will give good results so long as venus is well

established. If the venus is not established the Saturn will be

> > > > " be-buniyad�� " . Once the Saturn is be-buniyad, then expecting

exalted results would be far cry.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " lklearn " <haindi@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > >

> > > > > If Saturn is H7 (birth chart) and the native does not get married

> > > > by/before age of 22 years then this may affect the eyes of the native

> > > > (blindness). Quote " Sanichar khana no. 7 wale ki shadi agar 22 sala

> > > > umar tak na ho toh uski nazar bebuniyad(andhapan) hogi "

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the native

> > > > will lose track of his/her life i.e. what is good or bad?

> > > > > 2. If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the remedies?

> > > > >

> > > > > Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good results. While

> > > > the referred statement is very strong in its nature and consequences are

> > > > severe. Hence, request scholars to kindly throw light on the subject.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > lklearn

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Respected Varun ji and Respected Goel ji,

 

Certainly, the subject is getting very interesting with your scholarly

participation.

I cannot contribute much as I am still a student of Lal Kitab in the primary

stage. But I am learning from your discussions and I thank you both for the

same.

 

Further, I invite our other forum member scholars/experts to enlighten students

like us by their active participation.

 

Thanks and regards,

lklearn

 

, " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote:

>

> Respected Goel saheb,

>

> Since the Saturn placed in the 7th house would be 'be-buniyad' [without

foundation] in the absence of a well established Venus, I had suggested that

such a person should get Venus established in the form of either a cow or a maid

servant so that a 'buniyad' is provided to the Saturn.

>

> Your interpretation that a maid servant is a karak of Mars could also be

logically very appropriate.

>

> One of the upaya suggested for Saturn in the 7th, when the 1st house is

unoccupied,is to establish honey [mars] at home. This upaya had been suggested

to awaken the dormant saturn [dormant because the 1st house is unoccupied]

>

> With respect and regards,

>

> Varun Trivedi

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Trivedi ji,

> > You are right , any female represented by Venus , till her position is

assigns

> > her to other planet.

> > To my understanding Maid should be represented by Mars.

> > Kindly think over. We will try to reach some consensus.

> > One thing is clear ,that when Saturn is placed in 7H , we have to think

> > over in what form Venus should be brought in , Jiva ,Moola or Dhatu.

> > Lal KItab Says that If Saturn is in 7H , with Mars and Venus , it produces

good results.

> > I feel Marriage by 22 yrs a best way. Even If marriage is delayed , wife

should

> > take the help of maid in household work for better results.

> > I am not very adept in Lal kitab , kindly do correct me.

> > Regards,

> >

> >

> > G.K.GOEL

> > Ph: 09350311433

> > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> > NEW DELHI-110 076

> > INDIA

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@>

> >

> > Sat, 20 February, 2010 12:53:51 PM

> > LK discussion group Re: Saturn in H7

> >

> >

> > Respected Goel saheb,

> >

> > An unrelated lady is a karak of venus, unlike the mother [moon] sister,bua

or mausi [mercury].

> >

> > Therefore establishing a venus in the form of a maid servant till the

marriage, when Venus gets formally installed, could be a possible upaya.

> >

> > It is not necessary that the maid servant is retained even after the

marriage when the venus gets established thorugh marriage.

> >

> > Incidentally, a Dhai has a different connotation. A maid servant is not a

Dhai. Dhai used to be half-mother who fed her milk to the new born child. Panna

dhai is a classical character, we all have heard about.

> >

> > Regards and respect,

> >

> > Varun Trivedi

> >

> > , Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ ...>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Trivedi ji,

> > >

> > >

> > > Maid (in olden days called dhai ) is represented by Mars .

> > > As soon she becomes Venus , There will be problems .

> > > No doubt Saturn will get direction but may not be palatable

> > > for family in long run.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > G.K.GOEL

> > > Ph: 09350311433

> > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> > > NEW DELHI-110 076

> > > INDIA

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...>

> > >

> > > Sat, 20 February, 2010 10:50:44 AM

> > > LK discussion group Re: Saturn in H7

> > >

> > >

> > > Respeted Haindi ji,

> > >

> > > A venus would be considered established only if a lady comes to stay with

the family permanently either as a wife or as a maid servant.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Varun Trivedi

> > >

> > > , " lklearn " <haindi@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Varun ji,

> > > >

> > > > Very nice explaination. I appreciate the details given by you.

> > > >

> > > > In short, the answer lies with Venus which signifies H7 i.e. spouse.

> > > >

> > > > As for remedies I have one query as follows:

> > > > Now a days (generally) a middle class family has a maid servant to do

the small jobs at home like sweeping, cleaning/wiping the floor,

cleaning/washing the utensils, etc.

> > > > The maid servant referred in your message is as above (part-time) or it

is expected that the maid servant must stay with the native's family throughout.

> > > >

> > > > Once again thanks for your elaborate answer.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > lklearn

> > > >

> > > > , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd@

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Haindi ji,

> > > >

> > > > You have said:

> > > > > //[1] Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the native

will lose track of his/her life i.e. what is good or bad?//

> > > >

> > > > > You are very right.

> > > >

> > > > > The statement can be taken to mean both literally and figuratively.

> > > > > Literally i.e. the jatak might have eye problem because both the house

representing eyes 12th [left eye] and 2nd [right eye] are in 6-8

> > > > > position from the Saturn placed in the 7th. Figuratively i.e. the

Saturn as the lord of the 10th house Karm [profession] of the Cardinal

Kundali[kal purush kundali] may not be able to give entire results unless the

Venus [wife] is established before the age of the sun and the moon begins. If

you notice the book says “dar asal shanishchar ki buniyad shukra hi hogaâ€

[page 618;note # 5; 1952 Urdu ed]

> > > > >

> > > > > You have said :

> > > > >

> > > > > // [2] If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the

> > > > > remedies?//

> > > >

> > > > > One should establish Venus either by keeping a maid servant in the

house or keeping a cow.

> > > > >

> > > > > You have said:

> > > >

> > > > > //Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good results.//

> > > > >

> > > > > As said earlier, Saturn will give good results so long as venus is

well established. If the venus is not established the Saturn will be

> > > > > " be-buniyad�� " . Once the Saturn is be-buniyad, then expecting

exalted results would be far cry.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " lklearn " <haindi@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If Saturn is H7 (birth chart) and the native does not get married

> > > > > by/before age of 22 years then this may affect the eyes of the native

> > > > > (blindness). Quote " Sanichar khana no. 7 wale ki shadi agar 22 sala

> > > > > umar tak na ho toh uski nazar bebuniyad(andhapan) hogi "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the native

> > > > > will lose track of his/her life i.e. what is good or bad?

> > > > > > 2. If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the

remedies?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good results.

While

> > > > > the referred statement is very strong in its nature and consequences

are

> > > > > severe. Hence, request scholars to kindly throw light on the subject.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > lklearn

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Respected Haindi ji,

 

I do not think that any other Lal Kitab expert would respond to your request.

 

It has been a tragedy with the Lal Kitab that those who understand the system

never come forward to share their knowledge. It has been the main reason why the

Lal Kitab remained so isolated, for so long, from the mainstream of Indian

astrology. This isolation resulted in all kinds of weird whims and myths about

the Lal Kitab paddhati; in most cases derogatory and damaging.

 

It is only recently that a handful of LK students have made its presence felt on

the internet. Again it is only recently, more and more people are getting

interested in understanding this system; and, as a result, a large number of

people are also getting benefited through the Lal Kitab paddhati.

 

Regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " lklearn " <haindi wrote:

>

> Respected Varun ji and Respected Goel ji,

>

> Certainly, the subject is getting very interesting with your scholarly

participation.

> I cannot contribute much as I am still a student of Lal Kitab in the primary

stage. But I am learning from your discussions and I thank you both for the

same.

>

> Further, I invite our other forum member scholars/experts to enlighten

students like us by their active participation.

>

> Thanks and regards,

> lklearn

>

> , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Goel saheb,

> >

> > Since the Saturn placed in the 7th house would be 'be-buniyad' [without

foundation] in the absence of a well established Venus, I had suggested that

such a person should get Venus established in the form of either a cow or a maid

servant so that a 'buniyad' is provided to the Saturn.

> >

> > Your interpretation that a maid servant is a karak of Mars could also be

logically very appropriate.

> >

> > One of the upaya suggested for Saturn in the 7th, when the 1st house is

unoccupied,is to establish honey [mars] at home. This upaya had been suggested

to awaken the dormant saturn [dormant because the 1st house is unoccupied]

> >

> > With respect and regards,

> >

> > Varun Trivedi

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Trivedi ji,

> > > You are right , any female represented by Venus , till her position is

assigns

> > > her to other planet.

> > > To my understanding Maid should be represented by Mars.

> > > Kindly think over. We will try to reach some consensus.

> > > One thing is clear ,that when Saturn is placed in 7H , we have to think

> > > over in what form Venus should be brought in , Jiva ,Moola or Dhatu.

> > > Lal KItab Says that If Saturn is in 7H , with Mars and Venus , it produces

good results.

> > > I feel Marriage by 22 yrs a best way. Even If marriage is delayed , wife

should

> > > take the help of maid in household work for better results.

> > > I am not very adept in Lal kitab , kindly do correct me.

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > >

> > > G.K.GOEL

> > > Ph: 09350311433

> > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> > > NEW DELHI-110 076

> > > INDIA

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@>

> > >

> > > Sat, 20 February, 2010 12:53:51 PM

> > > LK discussion group Re: Saturn in H7

> > >

> > >

> > > Respected Goel saheb,

> > >

> > > An unrelated lady is a karak of venus, unlike the mother [moon] sister,bua

or mausi [mercury].

> > >

> > > Therefore establishing a venus in the form of a maid servant till the

marriage, when Venus gets formally installed, could be a possible upaya.

> > >

> > > It is not necessary that the maid servant is retained even after the

marriage when the venus gets established thorugh marriage.

> > >

> > > Incidentally, a Dhai has a different connotation. A maid servant is not a

Dhai. Dhai used to be half-mother who fed her milk to the new born child. Panna

dhai is a classical character, we all have heard about.

> > >

> > > Regards and respect,

> > >

> > > Varun Trivedi

> > >

> > > , Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ ...>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Trivedi ji,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Maid (in olden days called dhai ) is represented by Mars .

> > > > As soon she becomes Venus , There will be problems .

> > > > No doubt Saturn will get direction but may not be palatable

> > > > for family in long run.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > G.K.GOEL

> > > > Ph: 09350311433

> > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> > > > NEW DELHI-110 076

> > > > INDIA

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...>

> > > >

> > > > Sat, 20 February, 2010 10:50:44 AM

> > > > LK discussion group Re: Saturn in H7

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Respeted Haindi ji,

> > > >

> > > > A venus would be considered established only if a lady comes to stay

with the family permanently either as a wife or as a maid servant.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > >

> > > > , " lklearn " <haindi@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Varun ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Very nice explaination. I appreciate the details given by you.

> > > > >

> > > > > In short, the answer lies with Venus which signifies H7 i.e. spouse.

> > > > >

> > > > > As for remedies I have one query as follows:

> > > > > Now a days (generally) a middle class family has a maid servant to do

the small jobs at home like sweeping, cleaning/wiping the floor,

cleaning/washing the utensils, etc.

> > > > > The maid servant referred in your message is as above (part-time) or

it is expected that the maid servant must stay with the native's family

throughout.

> > > > >

> > > > > Once again thanks for your elaborate answer.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > lklearn

> > > > >

> > > > > , " varun_trvd "

<varun_trvd@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respected Haindi ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > You have said:

> > > > > > //[1] Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the

native will lose track of his/her life i.e. what is good or bad?//

> > > > >

> > > > > > You are very right.

> > > > >

> > > > > > The statement can be taken to mean both literally and figuratively.

> > > > > > Literally i.e. the jatak might have eye problem because both the

house representing eyes 12th [left eye] and 2nd [right eye] are in 6-8

> > > > > > position from the Saturn placed in the 7th. Figuratively i.e. the

Saturn as the lord of the 10th house Karm [profession] of the Cardinal

Kundali[kal purush kundali] may not be able to give entire results unless the

Venus [wife] is established before the age of the sun and the moon begins. If

you notice the book says “dar asal shanishchar ki buniyad shukra hi hogaâ€

[page 618;note # 5; 1952 Urdu ed]

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You have said :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > // [2] If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the

> > > > > > remedies?//

> > > > >

> > > > > > One should establish Venus either by keeping a maid servant in the

house or keeping a cow.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You have said:

> > > > >

> > > > > > //Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good results.//

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As said earlier, Saturn will give good results so long as venus is

well established. If the venus is not established the Saturn will be

> > > > > > " be-buniyad�� " . Once the Saturn is be-buniyad, then expecting

exalted results would be far cry.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " lklearn " <haindi@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If Saturn is H7 (birth chart) and the native does not get married

> > > > > > by/before age of 22 years then this may affect the eyes of the

native

> > > > > > (blindness). Quote " Sanichar khana no. 7 wale ki shadi agar 22 sala

> > > > > > umar tak na ho toh uski nazar bebuniyad(andhapan) hogi "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1. Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the native

> > > > > > will lose track of his/her life i.e. what is good or bad?

> > > > > > > 2. If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the

remedies?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good results.

While

> > > > > > the referred statement is very strong in its nature and consequences

are

> > > > > > severe. Hence, request scholars to kindly throw light on the

subject.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > lklearn

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW!

http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

http://in./

> > >

> >

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Respected Varun ji,

 

Thanks for your reply.

 

It's a real tragedy and unfortunate scenario. We all know that sharing knowledge

increases our own knowledge. We memorize many concepts while teaching others,

sharing experiences, correcting or getting corrected in

interpretation/understanding, etc.etc.....Sun offers sunlight readily, a tree

offers cool shade readily etc......

 

The purpose of Lal Kitab is clear that it has been written to benefit mankind.

It becomes evident from the remedies suggested which are affordable even by the

poor. So much thought must have gone in while writing/suggesting these remedies

by the respected author who took atmost care to keep the cost low while keeping

the effectiveness so high.

 

Anyway, one finds happiness when one finds oasis in the desert:

1. Respected Pandit Bhooshan Priya ji - Who answers every question asked by

anybody.

2. Respected S. Leekha ji - provides excellent & admirable analysis and simple

remedies

3. Respected Varun ji - You too conribute with great care, explanation and

analysis.

4. There are many other sincere students of Lal Kitab who contribute and deserve

respect for their efforts.

 

However, for those many who have knowledge we can only request for their active

participation so that as students we could learn from them and reach a level to

help/benefit mankind through Lal Kitab.

 

With best regards,

lklearn

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote:

>

> Respected Haindi ji,

>

> I do not think that any other Lal Kitab expert would respond to your request.

>

> It has been a tragedy with the Lal Kitab that those who understand the system

never come forward to share their knowledge. It has been the main reason why the

Lal Kitab remained so isolated, for so long, from the mainstream of Indian

astrology. This isolation resulted in all kinds of weird whims and myths about

the Lal Kitab paddhati; in most cases derogatory and damaging.

>

> It is only recently that a handful of LK students have made its presence felt

on the internet. Again it is only recently, more and more people are getting

interested in understanding this system; and, as a result, a large number of

people are also getting benefited through the Lal Kitab paddhati.

>

> Regards,

>

> Varun Trivedi

>

>

>

>

>

, " lklearn " <haindi@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Varun ji and Respected Goel ji,

> >

> > Certainly, the subject is getting very interesting with your scholarly

participation.

> > I cannot contribute much as I am still a student of Lal Kitab in the primary

stage. But I am learning from your discussions and I thank you both for the

same.

> >

> > Further, I invite our other forum member scholars/experts to enlighten

students like us by their active participation.

> >

> > Thanks and regards,

> > lklearn

> >

> > , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Goel saheb,

> > >

> > > Since the Saturn placed in the 7th house would be 'be-buniyad' [without

foundation] in the absence of a well established Venus, I had suggested that

such a person should get Venus established in the form of either a cow or a maid

servant so that a 'buniyad' is provided to the Saturn.

> > >

> > > Your interpretation that a maid servant is a karak of Mars could also be

logically very appropriate.

> > >

> > > One of the upaya suggested for Saturn in the 7th, when the 1st house is

unoccupied,is to establish honey [mars] at home. This upaya had been suggested

to awaken the dormant saturn [dormant because the 1st house is unoccupied]

> > >

> > > With respect and regards,

> > >

> > > Varun Trivedi

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Trivedi ji,

> > > > You are right , any female represented by Venus , till her position is

assigns

> > > > her to other planet.

> > > > To my understanding Maid should be represented by Mars.

> > > > Kindly think over. We will try to reach some consensus.

> > > > One thing is clear ,that when Saturn is placed in 7H , we have to think

> > > > over in what form Venus should be brought in , Jiva ,Moola or Dhatu.

> > > > Lal KItab Says that If Saturn is in 7H , with Mars and Venus , it

produces good results.

> > > > I feel Marriage by 22 yrs a best way. Even If marriage is delayed , wife

should

> > > > take the help of maid in household work for better results.

> > > > I am not very adept in Lal kitab , kindly do correct me.

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > G.K.GOEL

> > > > Ph: 09350311433

> > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> > > > NEW DELHI-110 076

> > > > INDIA

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@>

> > > >

> > > > Sat, 20 February, 2010 12:53:51 PM

> > > > LK discussion group Re: Saturn in H7

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Respected Goel saheb,

> > > >

> > > > An unrelated lady is a karak of venus, unlike the mother [moon]

sister,bua or mausi [mercury].

> > > >

> > > > Therefore establishing a venus in the form of a maid servant till the

marriage, when Venus gets formally installed, could be a possible upaya.

> > > >

> > > > It is not necessary that the maid servant is retained even after the

marriage when the venus gets established thorugh marriage.

> > > >

> > > > Incidentally, a Dhai has a different connotation. A maid servant is not

a Dhai. Dhai used to be half-mother who fed her milk to the new born child.

Panna dhai is a classical character, we all have heard about.

> > > >

> > > > Regards and respect,

> > > >

> > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > >

> > > > , Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@

....> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Trivedi ji,

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Maid (in olden days called dhai ) is represented by Mars .

> > > > > As soon she becomes Venus , There will be problems .

> > > > > No doubt Saturn will get direction but may not be palatable

> > > > > for family in long run.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > G.K.GOEL

> > > > > Ph: 09350311433

> > > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> > > > > NEW DELHI-110 076

> > > > > INDIA

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...>

> > > > >

> > > > > Sat, 20 February, 2010 10:50:44 AM

> > > > > LK discussion group Re: Saturn in H7

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Respeted Haindi ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > A venus would be considered established only if a lady comes to stay

with the family permanently either as a wife or as a maid servant.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > >

> > > > > , " lklearn " <haindi@>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respected Varun ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Very nice explaination. I appreciate the details given by you.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In short, the answer lies with Venus which signifies H7 i.e. spouse.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As for remedies I have one query as follows:

> > > > > > Now a days (generally) a middle class family has a maid servant to

do the small jobs at home like sweeping, cleaning/wiping the floor,

cleaning/washing the utensils, etc.

> > > > > > The maid servant referred in your message is as above (part-time) or

it is expected that the maid servant must stay with the native's family

throughout.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Once again thanks for your elaborate answer.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > lklearn

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " varun_trvd "

<varun_trvd@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Respected Haindi ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You have said:

> > > > > > > //[1] Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the

native will lose track of his/her life i.e. what is good or bad?//

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > You are very right.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > The statement can be taken to mean both literally and

figuratively.

> > > > > > > Literally i.e. the jatak might have eye problem because both the

house representing eyes 12th [left eye] and 2nd [right eye] are in 6-8

> > > > > > > position from the Saturn placed in the 7th. Figuratively i.e. the

Saturn as the lord of the 10th house Karm [profession] of the Cardinal

Kundali[kal purush kundali] may not be able to give entire results unless the

Venus [wife] is established before the age of the sun and the moon begins. If

you notice the book says “dar asal shanishchar ki buniyad shukra hi hogaâ€

[page 618;note # 5; 1952 Urdu ed]

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You have said :

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > // [2] If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the

> > > > > > > remedies?//

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > One should establish Venus either by keeping a maid servant in the

house or keeping a cow.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You have said:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > //Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good

results.//

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As said earlier, Saturn will give good results so long as venus is

well established. If the venus is not established the Saturn will be

> > > > > > > " be-buniyad�� " . Once the Saturn is be-buniyad, then expecting

exalted results would be far cry.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " lklearn " <haindi@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If Saturn is H7 (birth chart) and the native does not get

married

> > > > > > > by/before age of 22 years then this may affect the eyes of the

native

> > > > > > > (blindness). Quote " Sanichar khana no. 7 wale ki shadi agar 22

sala

> > > > > > > umar tak na ho toh uski nazar bebuniyad(andhapan) hogi "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1. Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the

native

> > > > > > > will lose track of his/her life i.e. what is good or bad?

> > > > > > > > 2. If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the

remedies?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good results.

While

> > > > > > > the referred statement is very strong in its nature and

consequences are

> > > > > > > severe. Hence, request scholars to kindly throw light on the

subject.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > lklearn

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it

NOW! http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your

Homepage. http://in./

> > > >

> > >

> >

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Respected Haindi ji,

 

Thank you for being so generous towards me. I would like to add Shri Kulbir

Bains too in the list. He is a very serious student of Lal Kitab and a very

willing participant in discussions.

 

Regards,

 

Varun Trivedi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " lklearn " <haindi wrote:

>

> Respected Varun ji,

>

> Thanks for your reply.

>

> It's a real tragedy and unfortunate scenario. We all know that sharing

knowledge increases our own knowledge. We memorize many concepts while teaching

others, sharing experiences, correcting or getting corrected in

interpretation/understanding, etc.etc.....Sun offers sunlight readily, a tree

offers cool shade readily etc......

>

> The purpose of Lal Kitab is clear that it has been written to benefit mankind.

It becomes evident from the remedies suggested which are affordable even by the

poor. So much thought must have gone in while writing/suggesting these remedies

by the respected author who took atmost care to keep the cost low while keeping

the effectiveness so high.

>

> Anyway, one finds happiness when one finds oasis in the desert:

> 1. Respected Pandit Bhooshan Priya ji - Who answers every question asked by

anybody.

> 2. Respected S. Leekha ji - provides excellent & admirable analysis and simple

remedies

> 3. Respected Varun ji - You too conribute with great care, explanation and

analysis.

> 4. There are many other sincere students of Lal Kitab who contribute and

deserve respect for their efforts.

>

> However, for those many who have knowledge we can only request for their

active participation so that as students we could learn from them and reach a

level to help/benefit mankind through Lal Kitab.

>

> With best regards,

> lklearn

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

, " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Haindi ji,

> >

> > I do not think that any other Lal Kitab expert would respond to your

request.

> >

> > It has been a tragedy with the Lal Kitab that those who understand the

system never come forward to share their knowledge. It has been the main reason

why the Lal Kitab remained so isolated, for so long, from the mainstream of

Indian astrology. This isolation resulted in all kinds of weird whims and myths

about the Lal Kitab paddhati; in most cases derogatory and damaging.

> >

> > It is only recently that a handful of LK students have made its presence

felt on the internet. Again it is only recently, more and more people are

getting interested in understanding this system; and, as a result, a large

number of people are also getting benefited through the Lal Kitab paddhati.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Varun Trivedi

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " lklearn " <haindi@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Varun ji and Respected Goel ji,

> > >

> > > Certainly, the subject is getting very interesting with your scholarly

participation.

> > > I cannot contribute much as I am still a student of Lal Kitab in the

primary stage. But I am learning from your discussions and I thank you both for

the same.

> > >

> > > Further, I invite our other forum member scholars/experts to enlighten

students like us by their active participation.

> > >

> > > Thanks and regards,

> > > lklearn

> > >

> > > , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Goel saheb,

> > > >

> > > > Since the Saturn placed in the 7th house would be 'be-buniyad' [without

foundation] in the absence of a well established Venus, I had suggested that

such a person should get Venus established in the form of either a cow or a maid

servant so that a 'buniyad' is provided to the Saturn.

> > > >

> > > > Your interpretation that a maid servant is a karak of Mars could also be

logically very appropriate.

> > > >

> > > > One of the upaya suggested for Saturn in the 7th, when the 1st house is

unoccupied,is to establish honey [mars] at home. This upaya had been suggested

to awaken the dormant saturn [dormant because the 1st house is unoccupied]

> > > >

> > > > With respect and regards,

> > > >

> > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Trivedi ji,

> > > > > You are right , any female represented by Venus , till her position is

assigns

> > > > > her to other planet.

> > > > > To my understanding Maid should be represented by Mars.

> > > > > Kindly think over. We will try to reach some consensus.

> > > > > One thing is clear ,that when Saturn is placed in 7H , we have to

think

> > > > > over in what form Venus should be brought in , Jiva ,Moola or Dhatu.

> > > > > Lal KItab Says that If Saturn is in 7H , with Mars and Venus , it

produces good results.

> > > > > I feel Marriage by 22 yrs a best way. Even If marriage is delayed ,

wife should

> > > > > take the help of maid in household work for better results.

> > > > > I am not very adept in Lal kitab , kindly do correct me.

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > G.K.GOEL

> > > > > Ph: 09350311433

> > > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> > > > > NEW DELHI-110 076

> > > > > INDIA

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@>

> > > > >

> > > > > Sat, 20 February, 2010 12:53:51 PM

> > > > > LK discussion group Re: Saturn in H7

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Goel saheb,

> > > > >

> > > > > An unrelated lady is a karak of venus, unlike the mother [moon]

sister,bua or mausi [mercury].

> > > > >

> > > > > Therefore establishing a venus in the form of a maid servant till the

marriage, when Venus gets formally installed, could be a possible upaya.

> > > > >

> > > > > It is not necessary that the maid servant is retained even after the

marriage when the venus gets established thorugh marriage.

> > > > >

> > > > > Incidentally, a Dhai has a different connotation. A maid servant is

not a Dhai. Dhai used to be half-mother who fed her milk to the new born child.

Panna dhai is a classical character, we all have heard about.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards and respect,

> > > > >

> > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > >

> > > > > , Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@

....> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Trivedi ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Maid (in olden days called dhai ) is represented by Mars .

> > > > > > As soon she becomes Venus , There will be problems .

> > > > > > No doubt Saturn will get direction but may not be palatable

> > > > > > for family in long run.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > G.K.GOEL

> > > > > > Ph: 09350311433

> > > > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> > > > > > NEW DELHI-110 076

> > > > > > INDIA

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sat, 20 February, 2010 10:50:44 AM

> > > > > > LK discussion group Re: Saturn in H7

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respeted Haindi ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > A venus would be considered established only if a lady comes to stay

with the family permanently either as a wife or as a maid servant.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " lklearn " <haindi@>

wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Respected Varun ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Very nice explaination. I appreciate the details given by you.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In short, the answer lies with Venus which signifies H7 i.e.

spouse.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > As for remedies I have one query as follows:

> > > > > > > Now a days (generally) a middle class family has a maid servant to

do the small jobs at home like sweeping, cleaning/wiping the floor,

cleaning/washing the utensils, etc.

> > > > > > > The maid servant referred in your message is as above (part-time)

or it is expected that the maid servant must stay with the native's family

throughout.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Once again thanks for your elaborate answer.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > lklearn

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " varun_trvd "

<varun_trvd@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Respected Haindi ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You have said:

> > > > > > > > //[1] Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the

native will lose track of his/her life i.e. what is good or bad?//

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You are very right.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The statement can be taken to mean both literally and

figuratively.

> > > > > > > > Literally i.e. the jatak might have eye problem because both the

house representing eyes 12th [left eye] and 2nd [right eye] are in 6-8

> > > > > > > > position from the Saturn placed in the 7th. Figuratively i.e.

the Saturn as the lord of the 10th house Karm [profession] of the Cardinal

Kundali[kal purush kundali] may not be able to give entire results unless the

Venus [wife] is established before the age of the sun and the moon begins. If

you notice the book says “dar asal shanishchar ki buniyad shukra hi hogaâ€

[page 618;note # 5; 1952 Urdu ed]

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You have said :

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > // [2] If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the

> > > > > > > > remedies?//

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > One should establish Venus either by keeping a maid servant in

the house or keeping a cow.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You have said:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > //Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good

results.//

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As said earlier, Saturn will give good results so long as venus

is well established. If the venus is not established the Saturn will be

> > > > > > > > " be-buniyad�� " . Once the Saturn is be-buniyad, then

expecting exalted results would be far cry.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " lklearn "

<haindi@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If Saturn is H7 (birth chart) and the native does not get

married

> > > > > > > > by/before age of 22 years then this may affect the eyes of the

native

> > > > > > > > (blindness). Quote " Sanichar khana no. 7 wale ki shadi agar 22

sala

> > > > > > > > umar tak na ho toh uski nazar bebuniyad(andhapan) hogi "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1. Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the

native

> > > > > > > > will lose track of his/her life i.e. what is good or bad?

> > > > > > > > > 2. If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the

remedies?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good

results. While

> > > > > > > > the referred statement is very strong in its nature and

consequences are

> > > > > > > > severe. Hence, request scholars to kindly throw light on the

subject.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > lklearn

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Respected Varun ji,

 

Yes, I do agree with you 100%.

 

Respected Kulbir ji deserves that position of a very serious student and regret

to have over looked the same.

 

Regards,

lklearn

 

, " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote:

>

> Respected Haindi ji,

>

> Thank you for being so generous towards me. I would like to add Shri Kulbir

Bains too in the list. He is a very serious student of Lal Kitab and a very

willing participant in discussions.

>

> Regards,

>

> Varun Trivedi

>

> , " lklearn " <haindi@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Varun ji,

> >

> > Thanks for your reply.

> >

> > It's a real tragedy and unfortunate scenario. We all know that sharing

knowledge increases our own knowledge. We memorize many concepts while teaching

others, sharing experiences, correcting or getting corrected in

interpretation/understanding, etc.etc.....Sun offers sunlight readily, a tree

offers cool shade readily etc......

> >

> > The purpose of Lal Kitab is clear that it has been written to benefit

mankind. It becomes evident from the remedies suggested which are affordable

even by the poor. So much thought must have gone in while writing/suggesting

these remedies by the respected author who took atmost care to keep the cost low

while keeping the effectiveness so high.

> >

> > Anyway, one finds happiness when one finds oasis in the desert:

> > 1. Respected Pandit Bhooshan Priya ji - Who answers every question asked by

anybody.

> > 2. Respected S. Leekha ji - provides excellent & admirable analysis and

simple remedies

> > 3. Respected Varun ji - You too conribute with great care, explanation and

analysis.

> > 4. There are many other sincere students of Lal Kitab who contribute and

deserve respect for their efforts.

> >

> > However, for those many who have knowledge we can only request for their

active participation so that as students we could learn from them and reach a

level to help/benefit mankind through Lal Kitab.

> >

> > With best regards,

> > lklearn

> >

> > , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Haindi ji,

> > >

> > > I do not think that any other Lal Kitab expert would respond to your

request.

> > >

> > > It has been a tragedy with the Lal Kitab that those who understand the

system never come forward to share their knowledge. It has been the main reason

why the Lal Kitab remained so isolated, for so long, from the mainstream of

Indian astrology. This isolation resulted in all kinds of weird whims and myths

about the Lal Kitab paddhati; in most cases derogatory and damaging.

> > >

> > > It is only recently that a handful of LK students have made its presence

felt on the internet. Again it is only recently, more and more people are

getting interested in understanding this system; and, as a result, a large

number of people are also getting benefited through the Lal Kitab paddhati.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Varun Trivedi

> > >

> > > , " lklearn " <haindi@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Varun ji and Respected Goel ji,

> > > >

> > > > Certainly, the subject is getting very interesting with your scholarly

participation.

> > > > I cannot contribute much as I am still a student of Lal Kitab in the

primary stage. But I am learning from your discussions and I thank you both for

the same.

> > > >

> > > > Further, I invite our other forum member scholars/experts to enlighten

students like us by their active participation.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > lklearn

> > > >

> > > > , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Goel saheb,

> > > > >

> > > > > Since the Saturn placed in the 7th house would be 'be-buniyad'

[without foundation] in the absence of a well established Venus, I had suggested

that such a person should get Venus established in the form of either a cow or a

maid servant so that a 'buniyad' is provided to the Saturn.

> > > > >

> > > > > Your interpretation that a maid servant is a karak of Mars could also

be logically very appropriate.

> > > > >

> > > > > One of the upaya suggested for Saturn in the 7th, when the 1st house

is unoccupied,is to establish honey [mars] at home. This upaya had been

suggested to awaken the dormant saturn [dormant because the 1st house is

unoccupied]

> > > > >

> > > > > With respect and regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Varun Trivedi

>

> > > > > , Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Trivedi ji,

> > > > > > You are right , any female represented by Venus , till her position

is assigns

> > > > > > her to other planet.

> > > > > > To my understanding Maid should be represented by Mars.

> > > > > > Kindly think over. We will try to reach some consensus.

> > > > > > One thing is clear ,that when Saturn is placed in 7H , we have to

think

> > > > > > over in what form Venus should be brought in , Jiva ,Moola or Dhatu.

> > > > > > Lal KItab Says that If Saturn is in 7H , with Mars and Venus , it

produces good results.

> > > > > > I feel Marriage by 22 yrs a best way. Even If marriage is delayed ,

wife should

> > > > > > take the help of maid in household work for better results.

> > > > > > I am not very adept in Lal kitab , kindly do correct me.

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > G.K.GOEL

> > > > > > Ph: 09350311433

> > > > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> > > > > > NEW DELHI-110 076

> > > > > > INDIA

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sat, 20 February, 2010 12:53:51 PM

> > > > > > LK discussion group Re: Saturn in H7

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respected Goel saheb,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > An unrelated lady is a karak of venus, unlike the mother [moon]

sister,bua or mausi [mercury].

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Therefore establishing a venus in the form of a maid servant till

the marriage, when Venus gets formally installed, could be a possible upaya.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It is not necessary that the maid servant is retained even after the

marriage when the venus gets established thorugh marriage.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Incidentally, a Dhai has a different connotation. A maid servant is

not a Dhai. Dhai used to be half-mother who fed her milk to the new born child.

Panna dhai is a classical character, we all have heard about.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards and respect,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Gopal Goel

<gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Trivedi ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Maid (in olden days called dhai ) is represented by Mars .

> > > > > > > As soon she becomes Venus , There will be problems .

> > > > > > > No doubt Saturn will get direction but may not be palatable

> > > > > > > for family in long run.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > G.K.GOEL

> > > > > > > Ph: 09350311433

> > > > > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> > > > > > > NEW DELHI-110 076

> > > > > > > INDIA

> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sat, 20 February, 2010 10:50:44 AM

> > > > > > > LK discussion group Re: Saturn in H7

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Respeted Haindi ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > A venus would be considered established only if a lady comes to

stay with the family permanently either as a wife or as a maid servant.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " lklearn " <haindi@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Respected Varun ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Very nice explaination. I appreciate the details given by you.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In short, the answer lies with Venus which signifies H7 i.e.

spouse.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > As for remedies I have one query as follows:

> > > > > > > > Now a days (generally) a middle class family has a maid servant

to do the small jobs at home like sweeping, cleaning/wiping the floor,

cleaning/washing the utensils, etc.

> > > > > > > > The maid servant referred in your message is as above

(part-time) or it is expected that the maid servant must stay with the native's

family throughout.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Once again thanks for your elaborate answer.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > lklearn

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " varun_trvd "

<varun_trvd@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Respected Haindi ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You have said:

> > > > > > > > > //[1] Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the

native will lose track of his/her life i.e. what is good or bad?//

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You are very right.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The statement can be taken to mean both literally and

figuratively.

> > > > > > > > > Literally i.e. the jatak might have eye problem because both

the house representing eyes 12th [left eye] and 2nd [right eye] are in 6-8

> > > > > > > > > position from the Saturn placed in the 7th. Figuratively i.e.

the Saturn as the lord of the 10th house Karm [profession] of the Cardinal

Kundali[kal purush kundali] may not be able to give entire results unless the

Venus [wife] is established before the age of the sun and the moon begins. If

you notice the book says “dar asal shanishchar ki buniyad shukra hi hogaâ€

[page 618;note # 5; 1952 Urdu ed]

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You have said :

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > // [2] If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be

the

> > > > > > > > > remedies?//

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > One should establish Venus either by keeping a maid servant in

the house or keeping a cow.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You have said:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > //Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good

results.//

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > As said earlier, Saturn will give good results so long as

venus is well established. If the venus is not established the Saturn will be

> > > > > > > > > " be-buniyad�� " . Once the Saturn is be-buniyad, then

expecting exalted results would be far cry.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " lklearn "

<haindi@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If Saturn is H7 (birth chart) and the native does not get

married

> > > > > > > > > by/before age of 22 years then this may affect the eyes of the

native

> > > > > > > > > (blindness). Quote " Sanichar khana no. 7 wale ki shadi agar

22 sala

> > > > > > > > > umar tak na ho toh uski nazar bebuniyad(andhapan) hogi "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 1. Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the

native

> > > > > > > > > will lose track of his/her life i.e. what is good or bad?

> > > > > > > > > > 2. If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the

remedies?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good

results. While

> > > > > > > > > the referred statement is very strong in its nature and

consequences are

> > > > > > > > > severe. Hence, request scholars to kindly throw light on the

subject.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > lklearn

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Respected Sir,

 

There is no need for upay for Saturn in 7th because of Kalpurash ki Rashi mein

Tula Rashi aati hai or Saturn Giving good results at the age of 36-41 only if

venus is placed in 2,4,5,10,11,12. or if we have do upay tambey ka paisa with

hole in neck in gold chain.

 

Regards

RK

 

, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote:

>

> Dear Trivedi ji,

>

>

> Maid (in olden days called dhai ) is represented by Mars .

> As soon she becomes Venus , There will be problems .

> No doubt Saturn will get direction but may not be palatable

> for family in long run.

>

>

>

> G.K.GOEL

> Ph: 09350311433

> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> NEW DELHI-110 076

> INDIA

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> varun_trvd <varun_trvd

>

> Sat, 20 February, 2010 10:50:44 AM

> LK discussion group Re: Saturn in H7

>

>

> Respeted Haindi ji,

>

> A venus would be considered established only if a lady comes to stay with the

family permanently either as a wife or as a maid servant.

>

> Regards,

>

> Varun Trivedi

>

> , " lklearn " <haindi@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Varun ji,

> >

> > Very nice explaination. I appreciate the details given by you.

> >

> > In short, the answer lies with Venus which signifies H7 i.e. spouse.

> >

> > As for remedies I have one query as follows:

> > Now a days (generally) a middle class family has a maid servant to do the

small jobs at home like sweeping, cleaning/wiping the floor, cleaning/washing

the utensils, etc.

> > The maid servant referred in your message is as above (part-time) or it is

expected that the maid servant must stay with the native's family throughout.

> >

> > Once again thanks for your elaborate answer.

> >

> > Regards,

> > lklearn

> >

> > , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd@ >

wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Respected Haindi ji,

> >

> > You have said:

> > > //[1] Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the native will

lose track of his/her life i.e. what is good or bad?//

> >

> > > You are very right.

> >

> > > The statement can be taken to mean both literally and figuratively.

> > > Literally i.e. the jatak might have eye problem because both the house

representing eyes 12th [left eye] and 2nd [right eye] are in 6-8

> > > position from the Saturn placed in the 7th. Figuratively i.e. the Saturn

as the lord of the 10th house Karm [profession] of the Cardinal Kundali[kal

purush kundali] may not be able to give entire results unless the Venus [wife]

is established before the age of the sun and the moon begins. If you notice the

book says “dar asal shanishchar ki buniyad shukra hi hoga†[page 618;note #

5; 1952 Urdu ed]

> > >

> > > You have said :

> > >

> > > // [2] If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the

> > > remedies?//

> >

> > > One should establish Venus either by keeping a maid servant in the house

or keeping a cow.

> > >

> > > You have said:

> >

> > > //Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good results.//

> > >

> > > As said earlier, Saturn will give good results so long as venus is well

established. If the venus is not established the Saturn will be

> > > " be-buniyad�� " . Once the Saturn is be-buniyad, then expecting exalted

results would be far cry.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Varun Trivedi

> > >

> > >

> > > , " lklearn " <haindi@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sir,

> > > >

> > > > If Saturn is H7 (birth chart) and the native does not get married

> > > by/before age of 22 years then this may affect the eyes of the native

> > > (blindness). Quote " Sanichar khana no. 7 wale ki shadi agar 22 sala

> > > umar tak na ho toh uski nazar bebuniyad(andhapan) hogi "

> > > >

> > > > 1. Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the native

> > > will lose track of his/her life i.e. what is good or bad?

> > > > 2. If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the remedies?

> > > >

> > > > Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good results. While

> > > the referred statement is very strong in its nature and consequences are

> > > severe. Hence, request scholars to kindly throw light on the subject.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > lklearn

> > > >

> > >

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