Guest guest Posted February 16, 2010 Report Share Posted February 16, 2010 Dear Sir, If Saturn is H7 (birth chart) and the native does not get married by/before age of 22 years then this may affect the eyes of the native (blindness). Quote " Sanichar khana no. 7 wale ki shadi agar 22 sala umar tak na ho toh uski nazar bebuniyad(andhapan)hogi " 1. Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the native will lose track of his/her life i.e. what is good or bad? 2. If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the remedies? Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good results. While the referred statement is very strong in its nature and consequences are severe. Hence, request scholars to kindly throw light on the subject. Regards, lklearn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2010 Report Share Posted February 17, 2010 Respected Scholars, Request for your comments, analysis and remedies in light of Lal Kitab. Thanks...... lklearn , " lklearn " <haindi wrote: > > Dear Sir, > > If Saturn is H7 (birth chart) and the native does not get married by/before age of 22 years then this may affect the eyes of the native (blindness). Quote " Sanichar khana no. 7 wale ki shadi agar 22 sala umar tak na ho toh uski nazar bebuniyad(andhapan)hogi " > > 1. Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the native will lose track of his/her life i.e. good or bad? > 2. If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the remedies? > > Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good results. While the referred statement is very strong in its nature and consequences are severe. Hence, request scholars to kindly throw light on the subject. > > Regards, > lklearn > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 Respected Haindi ji, You have said: //[1] Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the native will losetrack of his/her life i.e. what is good or bad?// You are very right. The statement can be taken to mean both literally and figuratively. Literally i.e. the jatak might have eye problem because both the house representing eyes 12th [left eye] and 2nd [right eye] are in 6-8 position from the Saturn placed in the 7th. Figuratively i.e. the Saturn as the lord of the 10th house Karm [profession] of the Cardinal Kundali [kal purush kundali] may not be able to give entire results unless the Venus [wife] is established before the age of the sun and the moon begins. If you notice the book says “dar asal shanishchar ki buniyad shukra hi hoga†[page 618;note # 5; 1952 Urdu ed] You have said : // [2] If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the remedies?// One should establish Venus either by keeping a maid servant in the house or keeping a cow. You have said: //Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good results.// As said earlier, Saturn will give good results so long as venus is well established. If the venus is not established the Saturn will be ‘be-buniyad’. Once the Saturn is be-buniyad, then expecting exalted results would be far cry. Regards, Varun Trivedi , "lklearn" <haindi wrote:>> Dear Sir,> > If Saturn is H7 (birth chart) and the native does not get married by/before age of 22 years then this may affect the eyes of the native (blindness). Quote " Sanichar khana no. 7 wale ki shadi agar 22 sala umar tak na ho toh uski nazar bebuniyad(andhapan)hogi"> > 1. Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the native will lose track of his/her life i.e. what is good or bad?> 2. If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the remedies?> > Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good results. While the referred statement is very strong in its nature and consequences are severe. Hence, request scholars to kindly throw light on the subject. > > Regards,> lklearn> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 Dear FRIENDS,i have Saturn in 7H.i WAS MARRIED IN 26YH YEAR of age,I never had any eye problem. I started using specks after the age of 42 years.This was the normal affect of age.This means there are more to this dictum which may be searched. 'NAZAR BEBUNIAD HOGI ' MAY MEAN THAT HE MAY NOT have ANY AIM IN LIFE ,THIS IS TRUE , i NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT MY FUTURE BUT I PROGRESSED WELL.marriage may bring some meaning to their life.Regards, G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIAlklearn <haindi Sent: Thu, 18 February, 2010 3:00:17 AMLK discussion group Re: Saturn in H7 Respected Scholars, Request for your comments, analysis and remedies in light of Lal Kitab. Thanks...... lklearn , "lklearn" <haindi wrote: > > Dear Sir, > > If Saturn is H7 (birth chart) and the native does not get married by/before age of 22 years then this may affect the eyes of the native (blindness). Quote " Sanichar khana no. 7 wale ki shadi agar 22 sala umar tak na ho toh uski nazar bebuniyad(andhapan) hogi" > > 1. Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the native will lose track of his/her life i.e. good or bad? > 2. If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the remedies? > > Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good results. While the referred statement is very strong in its nature and consequences are severe. Hence, request scholars to kindly throw light on the subject. > > Regards, > lklearn > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 Respected Goel Saheb, You could be very right ! As I had suggested in my reply earlier, there could be a figurative meaning to this dictum as well; and that appears to be the one you have mentioned i.e. nazar be-buniyad , perception > not rooted; not focussed; aimless & disoriented. Thank you sir for your insight. With respect & Regards, Varun Trivedi , Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote: > > Dear FRIENDS, > i have Saturn in 7H. > i WAS MARRIED IN 26YH YEAR of age, > I never had any eye problem. > I started using specks after the age of 42 years. > This was the normal affect of age. > This means there are more to this dictum which may be > searched. > 'NAZAR BEBUNIAD HOGI ' MAY MEAN THAT HE MAY NOT have ANY AIM IN > LIFE ,THIS IS TRUE , i NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT MY FUTURE BUT I PROGRESSED WELL. > marriage may bring some meaning to their life. > Regards, > > > G.K.GOEL > Ph: 09350311433 > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > NEW DELHI-110 076 > INDIA > > > > > ________________________________ > lklearn <haindi > > Thu, 18 February, 2010 3:00:17 AM > LK discussion group Re: Saturn in H7 > > > Respected Scholars, > > Request for your comments, analysis and remedies in light of Lal Kitab. > > Thanks...... > lklearn > > , " lklearn " <haindi@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > If Saturn is H7 (birth chart) and the native does not get married by/before age of 22 years then this may affect the eyes of the native (blindness). Quote " Sanichar khana no. 7 wale ki shadi agar 22 sala umar tak na ho toh uski nazar bebuniyad(andhapan) hogi " > > > > 1. Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the native will lose track of his/her life i.e. good or bad? > > 2. If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the remedies? > > > > Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good results. While the referred statement is very strong in its nature and consequences are severe. Hence, request scholars to kindly throw light on the subject. > > > > Regards, > > lklearn > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads./in/internetexplorer/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 Respected Varun ji, Very nice explaination. I appreciate the details given by you. In short, the answer lies with Venus which signifies H7 i.e. spouse. As for remedies I have one query as follows: Now a days (generally) a middle class family has a maid servant to do the small jobs at home like sweeping, cleaning/wiping the floor, cleaning/washing the utensils, etc. The maid servant referred in your message is as above (part-time) or it is expected that the maid servant must stay with the native's family throughout. Once again thanks for your elaborate answer. Regards, lklearn , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > > Respected Haindi ji, You have said: > //[1] Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the native will lose track of his/her life i.e. what is good or bad?// > You are very right. > The statement can be taken to mean both literally and figuratively. > Literally i.e. the jatak might have eye problem because both the house representing eyes 12th [left eye] and 2nd [right eye] are in 6-8 > position from the Saturn placed in the 7th. Figuratively i.e. the Saturn as the lord of the 10th house Karm [profession] of the Cardinal Kundali[kal purush kundali] may not be able to give entire results unless the Venus [wife] is established before the age of the sun and the moon begins. If you notice the book says “dar asal shanishchar ki buniyad shukra hi hoga†[page 618;note # 5; 1952 Urdu ed] > > You have said : > > // [2] If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the > remedies?// > One should establish Venus either by keeping a maid servant in the house or keeping a cow. > > You have said: > //Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good results.// > > As said earlier, Saturn will give good results so long as venus is well established. If the venus is not established the Saturn will be > " be-buniyad†" . Once the Saturn is be-buniyad, then expecting exalted results would be far cry. > > Regards, > Varun Trivedi > > > , " lklearn " <haindi@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > If Saturn is H7 (birth chart) and the native does not get married > by/before age of 22 years then this may affect the eyes of the native > (blindness). Quote " Sanichar khana no. 7 wale ki shadi agar 22 sala > umar tak na ho toh uski nazar bebuniyad(andhapan)hogi " > > > > 1. Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the native > will lose track of his/her life i.e. what is good or bad? > > 2. If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the remedies? > > > > Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good results. While > the referred statement is very strong in its nature and consequences are > severe. Hence, request scholars to kindly throw light on the subject. > > > > Regards, > > lklearn > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 Respected Goel ji, Great!!! Your answer is highly appreciated. Experience helps interpretation. As rightly pointed out by you and further by respected Varunji - it is the figurative side of interpretation which we should keep in mind while studying Lal Kitab. Sharing experiences is one of the important objective of participating in any forum so that we all learn together. Thanks and regards, lklearn , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > Respected Goel Saheb, > > > You could be very right ! > > As I had suggested in my reply earlier, there could be a figurative meaning to this dictum as well; and that appears to be the one you have mentioned i.e. nazar be-buniyad , perception > not rooted; not focussed; aimless & disoriented. > > Thank you sir for your insight. > > > > With respect & Regards, > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > , Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@> wrote: > > > > Dear FRIENDS, > > i have Saturn in 7H. > > i WAS MARRIED IN 26YH YEAR of age, > > I never had any eye problem. > > I started using specks after the age of 42 years. > > This was the normal affect of age. > > This means there are more to this dictum which may be > > searched. > > 'NAZAR BEBUNIAD HOGI ' MAY MEAN THAT HE MAY NOT have ANY AIM IN > > LIFE ,THIS IS TRUE , i NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT MY FUTURE BUT I PROGRESSED WELL. > > marriage may bring some meaning to their life. > > Regards, > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > Ph: 09350311433 > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > lklearn <haindi@> > > > > Thu, 18 February, 2010 3:00:17 AM > > LK discussion group Re: Saturn in H7 > > > > > > Respected Scholars, > > > > Request for your comments, analysis and remedies in light of Lal Kitab. > > > > Thanks...... > > lklearn > > > > , " lklearn " <haindi@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > If Saturn is H7 (birth chart) and the native does not get married by/before age of 22 years then this may affect the eyes of the native (blindness). Quote " Sanichar khana no. 7 wale ki shadi agar 22 sala umar tak na ho toh uski nazar bebuniyad(andhapan) hogi " > > > > > > 1. Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the native will lose track of his/her life i.e. good or bad? > > > 2. If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the remedies? > > > > > > Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good results. While the referred statement is very strong in its nature and consequences are severe. Hence, request scholars to kindly throw light on the subject. > > > > > > Regards, > > > lklearn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads./in/internetexplorer/ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 Respeted Haindi ji, A venus would be considered established only if a lady comes to stay with the family permanently either as a wife or as a maid servant. Regards, Varun Trivedi , " lklearn " <haindi wrote: > > Respected Varun ji, > > Very nice explaination. I appreciate the details given by you. > > In short, the answer lies with Venus which signifies H7 i.e. spouse. > > As for remedies I have one query as follows: > Now a days (generally) a middle class family has a maid servant to do the small jobs at home like sweeping, cleaning/wiping the floor, cleaning/washing the utensils, etc. > The maid servant referred in your message is as above (part-time) or it is expected that the maid servant must stay with the native's family throughout. > > Once again thanks for your elaborate answer. > > Regards, > lklearn > > , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Haindi ji, > > You have said: > > //[1] Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the native will lose track of his/her life i.e. what is good or bad?// > > > You are very right. > > > The statement can be taken to mean both literally and figuratively. > > Literally i.e. the jatak might have eye problem because both the house representing eyes 12th [left eye] and 2nd [right eye] are in 6-8 > > position from the Saturn placed in the 7th. Figuratively i.e. the Saturn as the lord of the 10th house Karm [profession] of the Cardinal Kundali[kal purush kundali] may not be able to give entire results unless the Venus [wife] is established before the age of the sun and the moon begins. If you notice the book says “dar asal shanishchar ki buniyad shukra hi hoga†[page 618;note # 5; 1952 Urdu ed] > > > > You have said : > > > > // [2] If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the > > remedies?// > > > One should establish Venus either by keeping a maid servant in the house or keeping a cow. > > > > You have said: > > > //Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good results.// > > > > As said earlier, Saturn will give good results so long as venus is well established. If the venus is not established the Saturn will be > > " be-buniyad�� " . Once the Saturn is be-buniyad, then expecting exalted results would be far cry. > > > > Regards, > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > , " lklearn " <haindi@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > If Saturn is H7 (birth chart) and the native does not get married > > by/before age of 22 years then this may affect the eyes of the native > > (blindness). Quote " Sanichar khana no. 7 wale ki shadi agar 22 sala > > umar tak na ho toh uski nazar bebuniyad(andhapan)hogi " > > > > > > 1. Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the native > > will lose track of his/her life i.e. what is good or bad? > > > 2. If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the remedies? > > > > > > Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good results. While > > the referred statement is very strong in its nature and consequences are > > severe. Hence, request scholars to kindly throw light on the subject. > > > > > > Regards, > > > lklearn > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 Dear Tirvedi ji,Maid (in olden days called dhai ) is represented by Mars . As soon she becomes Venus , There will be problems .No doubt Saturn will get direction but may not be palatable for family in long run. G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIAvarun_trvd <varun_trvdTo: Sent: Sat, 20 February, 2010 10:50:44 AMLK discussion group Re: Saturn in H7 Respeted Haindi ji, A venus would be considered established only if a lady comes to stay with the family permanently either as a wife or as a maid servant. Regards, Varun Trivedi , "lklearn" <haindi wrote: > > Respected Varun ji, > > Very nice explaination. I appreciate the details given by you. > > In short, the answer lies with Venus which signifies H7 i.e. spouse. > > As for remedies I have one query as follows: > Now a days (generally) a middle class family has a maid servant to do the small jobs at home like sweeping, cleaning/wiping the floor, cleaning/washing the utensils, etc. > The maid servant referred in your message is as above (part-time) or it is expected that the maid servant must stay with the native's family throughout. > > Once again thanks for your elaborate answer. > > Regards, > lklearn > > , "varun_trvd" <varun_trvd@ > wrote: > > > > > > Respected Haindi ji, > > You have said: > > //[1] Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the native will lose track of his/her life i.e. what is good or bad?// > > > You are very right. > > > The statement can be taken to mean both literally and figuratively. > > Literally i.e. the jatak might have eye problem because both the house representing eyes 12th [left eye] and 2nd [right eye] are in 6-8 > > position from the Saturn placed in the 7th. Figuratively i.e. the Saturn as the lord of the 10th house Karm [profession] of the Cardinal Kundali[kal purush kundali] may not be able to give entire results unless the Venus [wife] is established before the age of the sun and the moon begins. If you notice the book says “dar asal shanishchar ki buniyad shukra hi hoga†[page 618;note # 5; 1952 Urdu ed] > > > > You have said : > > > > // [2] If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the > > remedies?// > > > One should establish Venus either by keeping a maid servant in the house or keeping a cow. > > > > You have said: > > > //Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good results.// > > > > As said earlier, Saturn will give good results so long as venus is well established. If the venus is not established the Saturn will be > > "be-buniyad��". Once the Saturn is be-buniyad, then expecting exalted results would be far cry. > > > > Regards, > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > , "lklearn" <haindi@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > If Saturn is H7 (birth chart) and the native does not get married > > by/before age of 22 years then this may affect the eyes of the native > > (blindness). Quote " Sanichar khana no. 7 wale ki shadi agar 22 sala > > umar tak na ho toh uski nazar bebuniyad(andhapan) hogi" > > > > > > 1. Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the native > > will lose track of his/her life i.e. what is good or bad? > > > 2. If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the remedies? > > > > > > Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good results. While > > the referred statement is very strong in its nature and consequences are > > severe. Hence, request scholars to kindly throw light on the subject. > > > > > > Regards, > > > lklearn > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 Respected Goel saheb, An unrelated lady is a karak of venus, unlike the mother [moon] sister,bua or mausi [mercury]. Therefore establishing a venus in the form of a maid servant till the marriage, when Venus gets formally installed, could be a possible upaya. It is not necessary that the maid servant is retained even after the marriage when the venus gets established thorugh marriage. Incidentally, a Dhai has a different connotation. A maid servant is not a Dhai. Dhai used to be half-mother who fed her milk to the new born child. Panna dhai is a classical character, we all have heard about. Regards and respect, Varun Trivedi , Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote: > > Dear Trivedi ji, > > > Maid (in olden days called dhai ) is represented by Mars . > As soon she becomes Venus , There will be problems . > No doubt Saturn will get direction but may not be palatable > for family in long run. > > > > G.K.GOEL > Ph: 09350311433 > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > NEW DELHI-110 076 > INDIA > > > > > ________________________________ > varun_trvd <varun_trvd > > Sat, 20 February, 2010 10:50:44 AM > LK discussion group Re: Saturn in H7 > > > Respeted Haindi ji, > > A venus would be considered established only if a lady comes to stay with the family permanently either as a wife or as a maid servant. > > Regards, > > Varun Trivedi > > , " lklearn " <haindi@> wrote: > > > > Respected Varun ji, > > > > Very nice explaination. I appreciate the details given by you. > > > > In short, the answer lies with Venus which signifies H7 i.e. spouse. > > > > As for remedies I have one query as follows: > > Now a days (generally) a middle class family has a maid servant to do the small jobs at home like sweeping, cleaning/wiping the floor, cleaning/washing the utensils, etc. > > The maid servant referred in your message is as above (part-time) or it is expected that the maid servant must stay with the native's family throughout. > > > > Once again thanks for your elaborate answer. > > > > Regards, > > lklearn > > > > , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Respected Haindi ji, > > > > You have said: > > > //[1] Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the native will lose track of his/her life i.e. what is good or bad?// > > > > > You are very right. > > > > > The statement can be taken to mean both literally and figuratively. > > > Literally i.e. the jatak might have eye problem because both the house representing eyes 12th [left eye] and 2nd [right eye] are in 6-8 > > > position from the Saturn placed in the 7th. Figuratively i.e. the Saturn as the lord of the 10th house Karm [profession] of the Cardinal Kundali[kal purush kundali] may not be able to give entire results unless the Venus [wife] is established before the age of the sun and the moon begins. If you notice the book says “dar asal shanishchar ki buniyad shukra hi hoga†[page 618;note # 5; 1952 Urdu ed] > > > > > > You have said : > > > > > > // [2] If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the > > > remedies?// > > > > > One should establish Venus either by keeping a maid servant in the house or keeping a cow. > > > > > > You have said: > > > > > //Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good results.// > > > > > > As said earlier, Saturn will give good results so long as venus is well established. If the venus is not established the Saturn will be > > > " be-buniyad�� " . Once the Saturn is be-buniyad, then expecting exalted results would be far cry. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > , " lklearn " <haindi@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > If Saturn is H7 (birth chart) and the native does not get married > > > by/before age of 22 years then this may affect the eyes of the native > > > (blindness). Quote " Sanichar khana no. 7 wale ki shadi agar 22 sala > > > umar tak na ho toh uski nazar bebuniyad(andhapan) hogi " > > > > > > > > 1. Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the native > > > will lose track of his/her life i.e. what is good or bad? > > > > 2. If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the remedies? > > > > > > > > Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good results. While > > > the referred statement is very strong in its nature and consequences are > > > severe. Hence, request scholars to kindly throw light on the subject. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > lklearn > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads./in/internetexplorer/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 Dear Trivedi ji,You are right , any female represented by Venus , till her position is assigns her to other planet.To my understanding Maid should be represented by Mars.Kindly think over. We will try to reach some consensus.One thing is clear ,that when Saturn is placed in 7H , we have to thinkover in what form Venus should be brought in , Jiva ,Moola or Dhatu.Lal KItab Says that If Saturn is in 7H , with Mars and Venus , it produces good results.I feel Marriage by 22 yrs a best way. Even If marriage is delayed , wife shouldtake the help of maid in household work for better results.I am not very adept in Lal kitab , kindly do correct me.Regards, G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIAvarun_trvd <varun_trvd Sent: Sat, 20 February, 2010 12:53:51 PMLK discussion group Re: Saturn in H7 Respected Goel saheb, An unrelated lady is a karak of venus, unlike the mother [moon] sister,bua or mausi [mercury]. Therefore establishing a venus in the form of a maid servant till the marriage, when Venus gets formally installed, could be a possible upaya. It is not necessary that the maid servant is retained even after the marriage when the venus gets established thorugh marriage. Incidentally, a Dhai has a different connotation. A maid servant is not a Dhai. Dhai used to be half-mother who fed her milk to the new born child. Panna dhai is a classical character, we all have heard about. Regards and respect, Varun Trivedi , Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Trivedi ji, > > > Maid (in olden days called dhai ) is represented by Mars . > As soon she becomes Venus , There will be problems . > No doubt Saturn will get direction but may not be palatable > for family in long run. > > > > G.K.GOEL > Ph: 09350311433 > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > NEW DELHI-110 076 > INDIA > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> > > Sat, 20 February, 2010 10:50:44 AM > LK discussion group Re: Saturn in H7 > > > Respeted Haindi ji, > > A venus would be considered established only if a lady comes to stay with the family permanently either as a wife or as a maid servant. > > Regards, > > Varun Trivedi > > , "lklearn" <haindi@> wrote: > > > > Respected Varun ji, > > > > Very nice explaination. I appreciate the details given by you. > > > > In short, the answer lies with Venus which signifies H7 i.e. spouse. > > > > As for remedies I have one query as follows: > > Now a days (generally) a middle class family has a maid servant to do the small jobs at home like sweeping, cleaning/wiping the floor, cleaning/washing the utensils, etc. > > The maid servant referred in your message is as above (part-time) or it is expected that the maid servant must stay with the native's family throughout. > > > > Once again thanks for your elaborate answer. > > > > Regards, > > lklearn > > > > , "varun_trvd" <varun_trvd@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Respected Haindi ji, > > > > You have said: > > > //[1] Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the native will lose track of his/her life i.e. what is good or bad?// > > > > > You are very right. > > > > > The statement can be taken to mean both literally and figuratively. > > > Literally i.e. the jatak might have eye problem because both the house representing eyes 12th [left eye] and 2nd [right eye] are in 6-8 > > > position from the Saturn placed in the 7th. Figuratively i.e. the Saturn as the lord of the 10th house Karm [profession] of the Cardinal Kundali[kal purush kundali] may not be able to give entire results unless the Venus [wife] is established before the age of the sun and the moon begins. If you notice the book says “dar asal shanishchar ki buniyad shukra hi hoga†[page 618;note # 5; 1952 Urdu ed] > > > > > > You have said : > > > > > > // [2] If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the > > > remedies?// > > > > > One should establish Venus either by keeping a maid servant in the house or keeping a cow. > > > > > > You have said: > > > > > //Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good results.// > > > > > > As said earlier, Saturn will give good results so long as venus is well established. If the venus is not established the Saturn will be > > > "be-buniyad��". Once the Saturn is be-buniyad, then expecting exalted results would be far cry. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > , "lklearn" <haindi@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > If Saturn is H7 (birth chart) and the native does not get married > > > by/before age of 22 years then this may affect the eyes of the native > > > (blindness). Quote " Sanichar khana no. 7 wale ki shadi agar 22 sala > > > umar tak na ho toh uski nazar bebuniyad(andhapan) hogi" > > > > > > > > 1. Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the native > > > will lose track of his/her life i.e. what is good or bad? > > > > 2. If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the remedies? > > > > > > > > Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good results. While > > > the referred statement is very strong in its nature and consequences are > > > severe. 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Guest guest Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 Respected Goel saheb, Since the Saturn placed in the 7th house would be 'be-buniyad' [without foundation] in the absence of a well established Venus, I had suggested that such a person should get Venus established in the form of either a cow or a maid servant so that a 'buniyad' is provided to the Saturn. Your interpretation that a maid servant is a karak of Mars could also be logically very appropriate. One of the upaya suggested for Saturn in the 7th, when the 1st house is unoccupied,is to establish honey [mars] at home. This upaya had been suggested to awaken the dormant saturn [dormant because the 1st house is unoccupied] With respect and regards, Varun Trivedi , Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote: > > Dear Trivedi ji, > You are right , any female represented by Venus , till her position is assigns > her to other planet. > To my understanding Maid should be represented by Mars. > Kindly think over. We will try to reach some consensus. > One thing is clear ,that when Saturn is placed in 7H , we have to think > over in what form Venus should be brought in , Jiva ,Moola or Dhatu. > Lal KItab Says that If Saturn is in 7H , with Mars and Venus , it produces good results. > I feel Marriage by 22 yrs a best way. Even If marriage is delayed , wife should > take the help of maid in household work for better results. > I am not very adept in Lal kitab , kindly do correct me. > Regards, > > > G.K.GOEL > Ph: 09350311433 > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > NEW DELHI-110 076 > INDIA > > > > > ________________________________ > varun_trvd <varun_trvd > > Sat, 20 February, 2010 12:53:51 PM > LK discussion group Re: Saturn in H7 > > > Respected Goel saheb, > > An unrelated lady is a karak of venus, unlike the mother [moon] sister,bua or mausi [mercury]. > > Therefore establishing a venus in the form of a maid servant till the marriage, when Venus gets formally installed, could be a possible upaya. > > It is not necessary that the maid servant is retained even after the marriage when the venus gets established thorugh marriage. > > Incidentally, a Dhai has a different connotation. A maid servant is not a Dhai. Dhai used to be half-mother who fed her milk to the new born child. Panna dhai is a classical character, we all have heard about. > > Regards and respect, > > Varun Trivedi > > , Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Trivedi ji, > > > > > > Maid (in olden days called dhai ) is represented by Mars . > > As soon she becomes Venus , There will be problems . > > No doubt Saturn will get direction but may not be palatable > > for family in long run. > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > Ph: 09350311433 > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> > > > > Sat, 20 February, 2010 10:50:44 AM > > LK discussion group Re: Saturn in H7 > > > > > > Respeted Haindi ji, > > > > A venus would be considered established only if a lady comes to stay with the family permanently either as a wife or as a maid servant. > > > > Regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > , " lklearn " <haindi@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Varun ji, > > > > > > Very nice explaination. I appreciate the details given by you. > > > > > > In short, the answer lies with Venus which signifies H7 i.e. spouse. > > > > > > As for remedies I have one query as follows: > > > Now a days (generally) a middle class family has a maid servant to do the small jobs at home like sweeping, cleaning/wiping the floor, cleaning/washing the utensils, etc. > > > The maid servant referred in your message is as above (part-time) or it is expected that the maid servant must stay with the native's family throughout. > > > > > > Once again thanks for your elaborate answer. > > > > > > Regards, > > > lklearn > > > > > > , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Haindi ji, > > > > > > You have said: > > > > //[1] Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the native will lose track of his/her life i.e. what is good or bad?// > > > > > > > You are very right. > > > > > > > The statement can be taken to mean both literally and figuratively. > > > > Literally i.e. the jatak might have eye problem because both the house representing eyes 12th [left eye] and 2nd [right eye] are in 6-8 > > > > position from the Saturn placed in the 7th. Figuratively i.e. the Saturn as the lord of the 10th house Karm [profession] of the Cardinal Kundali[kal purush kundali] may not be able to give entire results unless the Venus [wife] is established before the age of the sun and the moon begins. If you notice the book says “dar asal shanishchar ki buniyad shukra hi hoga†[page 618;note # 5; 1952 Urdu ed] > > > > > > > > You have said : > > > > > > > > // [2] If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the > > > > remedies?// > > > > > > > One should establish Venus either by keeping a maid servant in the house or keeping a cow. > > > > > > > > You have said: > > > > > > > //Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good results.// > > > > > > > > As said earlier, Saturn will give good results so long as venus is well established. If the venus is not established the Saturn will be > > > > " be-buniyad�� " . Once the Saturn is be-buniyad, then expecting exalted results would be far cry. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > , " lklearn " <haindi@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > If Saturn is H7 (birth chart) and the native does not get married > > > > by/before age of 22 years then this may affect the eyes of the native > > > > (blindness). Quote " Sanichar khana no. 7 wale ki shadi agar 22 sala > > > > umar tak na ho toh uski nazar bebuniyad(andhapan) hogi " > > > > > > > > > > 1. Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the native > > > > will lose track of his/her life i.e. what is good or bad? > > > > > 2. If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the remedies? > > > > > > > > > > Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good results. While > > > > the referred statement is very strong in its nature and consequences are > > > > severe. Hence, request scholars to kindly throw light on the subject. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > lklearn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 Respected Varun ji and Respected Goel ji, Certainly, the subject is getting very interesting with your scholarly participation. I cannot contribute much as I am still a student of Lal Kitab in the primary stage. But I am learning from your discussions and I thank you both for the same. Further, I invite our other forum member scholars/experts to enlighten students like us by their active participation. Thanks and regards, lklearn , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > Respected Goel saheb, > > Since the Saturn placed in the 7th house would be 'be-buniyad' [without foundation] in the absence of a well established Venus, I had suggested that such a person should get Venus established in the form of either a cow or a maid servant so that a 'buniyad' is provided to the Saturn. > > Your interpretation that a maid servant is a karak of Mars could also be logically very appropriate. > > One of the upaya suggested for Saturn in the 7th, when the 1st house is unoccupied,is to establish honey [mars] at home. This upaya had been suggested to awaken the dormant saturn [dormant because the 1st house is unoccupied] > > With respect and regards, > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > , Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@> wrote: > > > > Dear Trivedi ji, > > You are right , any female represented by Venus , till her position is assigns > > her to other planet. > > To my understanding Maid should be represented by Mars. > > Kindly think over. We will try to reach some consensus. > > One thing is clear ,that when Saturn is placed in 7H , we have to think > > over in what form Venus should be brought in , Jiva ,Moola or Dhatu. > > Lal KItab Says that If Saturn is in 7H , with Mars and Venus , it produces good results. > > I feel Marriage by 22 yrs a best way. Even If marriage is delayed , wife should > > take the help of maid in household work for better results. > > I am not very adept in Lal kitab , kindly do correct me. > > Regards, > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > Ph: 09350311433 > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> > > > > Sat, 20 February, 2010 12:53:51 PM > > LK discussion group Re: Saturn in H7 > > > > > > Respected Goel saheb, > > > > An unrelated lady is a karak of venus, unlike the mother [moon] sister,bua or mausi [mercury]. > > > > Therefore establishing a venus in the form of a maid servant till the marriage, when Venus gets formally installed, could be a possible upaya. > > > > It is not necessary that the maid servant is retained even after the marriage when the venus gets established thorugh marriage. > > > > Incidentally, a Dhai has a different connotation. A maid servant is not a Dhai. Dhai used to be half-mother who fed her milk to the new born child. Panna dhai is a classical character, we all have heard about. > > > > Regards and respect, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > , Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Trivedi ji, > > > > > > > > > Maid (in olden days called dhai ) is represented by Mars . > > > As soon she becomes Venus , There will be problems . > > > No doubt Saturn will get direction but may not be palatable > > > for family in long run. > > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> > > > > > > Sat, 20 February, 2010 10:50:44 AM > > > LK discussion group Re: Saturn in H7 > > > > > > > > > Respeted Haindi ji, > > > > > > A venus would be considered established only if a lady comes to stay with the family permanently either as a wife or as a maid servant. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > , " lklearn " <haindi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Varun ji, > > > > > > > > Very nice explaination. I appreciate the details given by you. > > > > > > > > In short, the answer lies with Venus which signifies H7 i.e. spouse. > > > > > > > > As for remedies I have one query as follows: > > > > Now a days (generally) a middle class family has a maid servant to do the small jobs at home like sweeping, cleaning/wiping the floor, cleaning/washing the utensils, etc. > > > > The maid servant referred in your message is as above (part-time) or it is expected that the maid servant must stay with the native's family throughout. > > > > > > > > Once again thanks for your elaborate answer. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > lklearn > > > > > > > > , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Haindi ji, > > > > > > > > You have said: > > > > > //[1] Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the native will lose track of his/her life i.e. what is good or bad?// > > > > > > > > > You are very right. > > > > > > > > > The statement can be taken to mean both literally and figuratively. > > > > > Literally i.e. the jatak might have eye problem because both the house representing eyes 12th [left eye] and 2nd [right eye] are in 6-8 > > > > > position from the Saturn placed in the 7th. Figuratively i.e. the Saturn as the lord of the 10th house Karm [profession] of the Cardinal Kundali[kal purush kundali] may not be able to give entire results unless the Venus [wife] is established before the age of the sun and the moon begins. If you notice the book says “dar asal shanishchar ki buniyad shukra hi hoga†[page 618;note # 5; 1952 Urdu ed] > > > > > > > > > > You have said : > > > > > > > > > > // [2] If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the > > > > > remedies?// > > > > > > > > > One should establish Venus either by keeping a maid servant in the house or keeping a cow. > > > > > > > > > > You have said: > > > > > > > > > //Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good results.// > > > > > > > > > > As said earlier, Saturn will give good results so long as venus is well established. If the venus is not established the Saturn will be > > > > > " be-buniyad�� " . Once the Saturn is be-buniyad, then expecting exalted results would be far cry. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " lklearn " <haindi@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > If Saturn is H7 (birth chart) and the native does not get married > > > > > by/before age of 22 years then this may affect the eyes of the native > > > > > (blindness). Quote " Sanichar khana no. 7 wale ki shadi agar 22 sala > > > > > umar tak na ho toh uski nazar bebuniyad(andhapan) hogi " > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the native > > > > > will lose track of his/her life i.e. what is good or bad? > > > > > > 2. If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the remedies? > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good results. While > > > > > the referred statement is very strong in its nature and consequences are > > > > > severe. Hence, request scholars to kindly throw light on the subject. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > lklearn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 Respected Haindi ji, I do not think that any other Lal Kitab expert would respond to your request. It has been a tragedy with the Lal Kitab that those who understand the system never come forward to share their knowledge. It has been the main reason why the Lal Kitab remained so isolated, for so long, from the mainstream of Indian astrology. This isolation resulted in all kinds of weird whims and myths about the Lal Kitab paddhati; in most cases derogatory and damaging. It is only recently that a handful of LK students have made its presence felt on the internet. Again it is only recently, more and more people are getting interested in understanding this system; and, as a result, a large number of people are also getting benefited through the Lal Kitab paddhati. Regards, Varun Trivedi , " lklearn " <haindi wrote: > > Respected Varun ji and Respected Goel ji, > > Certainly, the subject is getting very interesting with your scholarly participation. > I cannot contribute much as I am still a student of Lal Kitab in the primary stage. But I am learning from your discussions and I thank you both for the same. > > Further, I invite our other forum member scholars/experts to enlighten students like us by their active participation. > > Thanks and regards, > lklearn > > , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > Respected Goel saheb, > > > > Since the Saturn placed in the 7th house would be 'be-buniyad' [without foundation] in the absence of a well established Venus, I had suggested that such a person should get Venus established in the form of either a cow or a maid servant so that a 'buniyad' is provided to the Saturn. > > > > Your interpretation that a maid servant is a karak of Mars could also be logically very appropriate. > > > > One of the upaya suggested for Saturn in the 7th, when the 1st house is unoccupied,is to establish honey [mars] at home. This upaya had been suggested to awaken the dormant saturn [dormant because the 1st house is unoccupied] > > > > With respect and regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Trivedi ji, > > > You are right , any female represented by Venus , till her position is assigns > > > her to other planet. > > > To my understanding Maid should be represented by Mars. > > > Kindly think over. We will try to reach some consensus. > > > One thing is clear ,that when Saturn is placed in 7H , we have to think > > > over in what form Venus should be brought in , Jiva ,Moola or Dhatu. > > > Lal KItab Says that If Saturn is in 7H , with Mars and Venus , it produces good results. > > > I feel Marriage by 22 yrs a best way. Even If marriage is delayed , wife should > > > take the help of maid in household work for better results. > > > I am not very adept in Lal kitab , kindly do correct me. > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> > > > > > > Sat, 20 February, 2010 12:53:51 PM > > > LK discussion group Re: Saturn in H7 > > > > > > > > > Respected Goel saheb, > > > > > > An unrelated lady is a karak of venus, unlike the mother [moon] sister,bua or mausi [mercury]. > > > > > > Therefore establishing a venus in the form of a maid servant till the marriage, when Venus gets formally installed, could be a possible upaya. > > > > > > It is not necessary that the maid servant is retained even after the marriage when the venus gets established thorugh marriage. > > > > > > Incidentally, a Dhai has a different connotation. A maid servant is not a Dhai. Dhai used to be half-mother who fed her milk to the new born child. Panna dhai is a classical character, we all have heard about. > > > > > > Regards and respect, > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > , Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Trivedi ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Maid (in olden days called dhai ) is represented by Mars . > > > > As soon she becomes Venus , There will be problems . > > > > No doubt Saturn will get direction but may not be palatable > > > > for family in long run. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> > > > > > > > > Sat, 20 February, 2010 10:50:44 AM > > > > LK discussion group Re: Saturn in H7 > > > > > > > > > > > > Respeted Haindi ji, > > > > > > > > A venus would be considered established only if a lady comes to stay with the family permanently either as a wife or as a maid servant. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > , " lklearn " <haindi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Respected Varun ji, > > > > > > > > > > Very nice explaination. I appreciate the details given by you. > > > > > > > > > > In short, the answer lies with Venus which signifies H7 i.e. spouse. > > > > > > > > > > As for remedies I have one query as follows: > > > > > Now a days (generally) a middle class family has a maid servant to do the small jobs at home like sweeping, cleaning/wiping the floor, cleaning/washing the utensils, etc. > > > > > The maid servant referred in your message is as above (part-time) or it is expected that the maid servant must stay with the native's family throughout. > > > > > > > > > > Once again thanks for your elaborate answer. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > lklearn > > > > > > > > > > , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Haindi ji, > > > > > > > > > > You have said: > > > > > > //[1] Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the native will lose track of his/her life i.e. what is good or bad?// > > > > > > > > > > > You are very right. > > > > > > > > > > > The statement can be taken to mean both literally and figuratively. > > > > > > Literally i.e. the jatak might have eye problem because both the house representing eyes 12th [left eye] and 2nd [right eye] are in 6-8 > > > > > > position from the Saturn placed in the 7th. Figuratively i.e. the Saturn as the lord of the 10th house Karm [profession] of the Cardinal Kundali[kal purush kundali] may not be able to give entire results unless the Venus [wife] is established before the age of the sun and the moon begins. If you notice the book says “dar asal shanishchar ki buniyad shukra hi hoga†[page 618;note # 5; 1952 Urdu ed] > > > > > > > > > > > > You have said : > > > > > > > > > > > > // [2] If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the > > > > > > remedies?// > > > > > > > > > > > One should establish Venus either by keeping a maid servant in the house or keeping a cow. > > > > > > > > > > > > You have said: > > > > > > > > > > > //Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good results.// > > > > > > > > > > > > As said earlier, Saturn will give good results so long as venus is well established. If the venus is not established the Saturn will be > > > > > > " be-buniyad�� " . Once the Saturn is be-buniyad, then expecting exalted results would be far cry. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " lklearn " <haindi@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Saturn is H7 (birth chart) and the native does not get married > > > > > > by/before age of 22 years then this may affect the eyes of the native > > > > > > (blindness). Quote " Sanichar khana no. 7 wale ki shadi agar 22 sala > > > > > > umar tak na ho toh uski nazar bebuniyad(andhapan) hogi " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the native > > > > > > will lose track of his/her life i.e. what is good or bad? > > > > > > > 2. If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the remedies? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good results. While > > > > > > the referred statement is very strong in its nature and consequences are > > > > > > severe. Hence, request scholars to kindly throw light on the subject. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > lklearn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 Respected Varun ji, Thanks for your reply. It's a real tragedy and unfortunate scenario. We all know that sharing knowledge increases our own knowledge. We memorize many concepts while teaching others, sharing experiences, correcting or getting corrected in interpretation/understanding, etc.etc.....Sun offers sunlight readily, a tree offers cool shade readily etc...... The purpose of Lal Kitab is clear that it has been written to benefit mankind. It becomes evident from the remedies suggested which are affordable even by the poor. So much thought must have gone in while writing/suggesting these remedies by the respected author who took atmost care to keep the cost low while keeping the effectiveness so high. Anyway, one finds happiness when one finds oasis in the desert: 1. Respected Pandit Bhooshan Priya ji - Who answers every question asked by anybody. 2. Respected S. Leekha ji - provides excellent & admirable analysis and simple remedies 3. Respected Varun ji - You too conribute with great care, explanation and analysis. 4. There are many other sincere students of Lal Kitab who contribute and deserve respect for their efforts. However, for those many who have knowledge we can only request for their active participation so that as students we could learn from them and reach a level to help/benefit mankind through Lal Kitab. With best regards, lklearn , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > Respected Haindi ji, > > I do not think that any other Lal Kitab expert would respond to your request. > > It has been a tragedy with the Lal Kitab that those who understand the system never come forward to share their knowledge. It has been the main reason why the Lal Kitab remained so isolated, for so long, from the mainstream of Indian astrology. This isolation resulted in all kinds of weird whims and myths about the Lal Kitab paddhati; in most cases derogatory and damaging. > > It is only recently that a handful of LK students have made its presence felt on the internet. Again it is only recently, more and more people are getting interested in understanding this system; and, as a result, a large number of people are also getting benefited through the Lal Kitab paddhati. > > Regards, > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > , " lklearn " <haindi@> wrote: > > > > Respected Varun ji and Respected Goel ji, > > > > Certainly, the subject is getting very interesting with your scholarly participation. > > I cannot contribute much as I am still a student of Lal Kitab in the primary stage. But I am learning from your discussions and I thank you both for the same. > > > > Further, I invite our other forum member scholars/experts to enlighten students like us by their active participation. > > > > Thanks and regards, > > lklearn > > > > , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Goel saheb, > > > > > > Since the Saturn placed in the 7th house would be 'be-buniyad' [without foundation] in the absence of a well established Venus, I had suggested that such a person should get Venus established in the form of either a cow or a maid servant so that a 'buniyad' is provided to the Saturn. > > > > > > Your interpretation that a maid servant is a karak of Mars could also be logically very appropriate. > > > > > > One of the upaya suggested for Saturn in the 7th, when the 1st house is unoccupied,is to establish honey [mars] at home. This upaya had been suggested to awaken the dormant saturn [dormant because the 1st house is unoccupied] > > > > > > With respect and regards, > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Trivedi ji, > > > > You are right , any female represented by Venus , till her position is assigns > > > > her to other planet. > > > > To my understanding Maid should be represented by Mars. > > > > Kindly think over. We will try to reach some consensus. > > > > One thing is clear ,that when Saturn is placed in 7H , we have to think > > > > over in what form Venus should be brought in , Jiva ,Moola or Dhatu. > > > > Lal KItab Says that If Saturn is in 7H , with Mars and Venus , it produces good results. > > > > I feel Marriage by 22 yrs a best way. Even If marriage is delayed , wife should > > > > take the help of maid in household work for better results. > > > > I am not very adept in Lal kitab , kindly do correct me. > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> > > > > > > > > Sat, 20 February, 2010 12:53:51 PM > > > > LK discussion group Re: Saturn in H7 > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Goel saheb, > > > > > > > > An unrelated lady is a karak of venus, unlike the mother [moon] sister,bua or mausi [mercury]. > > > > > > > > Therefore establishing a venus in the form of a maid servant till the marriage, when Venus gets formally installed, could be a possible upaya. > > > > > > > > It is not necessary that the maid servant is retained even after the marriage when the venus gets established thorugh marriage. > > > > > > > > Incidentally, a Dhai has a different connotation. A maid servant is not a Dhai. Dhai used to be half-mother who fed her milk to the new born child. Panna dhai is a classical character, we all have heard about. > > > > > > > > Regards and respect, > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > , Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Trivedi ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maid (in olden days called dhai ) is represented by Mars . > > > > > As soon she becomes Venus , There will be problems . > > > > > No doubt Saturn will get direction but may not be palatable > > > > > for family in long run. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 20 February, 2010 10:50:44 AM > > > > > LK discussion group Re: Saturn in H7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respeted Haindi ji, > > > > > > > > > > A venus would be considered established only if a lady comes to stay with the family permanently either as a wife or as a maid servant. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > , " lklearn " <haindi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Varun ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Very nice explaination. I appreciate the details given by you. > > > > > > > > > > > > In short, the answer lies with Venus which signifies H7 i.e. spouse. > > > > > > > > > > > > As for remedies I have one query as follows: > > > > > > Now a days (generally) a middle class family has a maid servant to do the small jobs at home like sweeping, cleaning/wiping the floor, cleaning/washing the utensils, etc. > > > > > > The maid servant referred in your message is as above (part-time) or it is expected that the maid servant must stay with the native's family throughout. > > > > > > > > > > > > Once again thanks for your elaborate answer. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > lklearn > > > > > > > > > > > > , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Haindi ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > You have said: > > > > > > > //[1] Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the native will lose track of his/her life i.e. what is good or bad?// > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are very right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > The statement can be taken to mean both literally and figuratively. > > > > > > > Literally i.e. the jatak might have eye problem because both the house representing eyes 12th [left eye] and 2nd [right eye] are in 6-8 > > > > > > > position from the Saturn placed in the 7th. Figuratively i.e. the Saturn as the lord of the 10th house Karm [profession] of the Cardinal Kundali[kal purush kundali] may not be able to give entire results unless the Venus [wife] is established before the age of the sun and the moon begins. If you notice the book says “dar asal shanishchar ki buniyad shukra hi hoga†[page 618;note # 5; 1952 Urdu ed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have said : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // [2] If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the > > > > > > > remedies?// > > > > > > > > > > > > > One should establish Venus either by keeping a maid servant in the house or keeping a cow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good results.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As said earlier, Saturn will give good results so long as venus is well established. If the venus is not established the Saturn will be > > > > > > > " be-buniyad�� " . Once the Saturn is be-buniyad, then expecting exalted results would be far cry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " lklearn " <haindi@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Saturn is H7 (birth chart) and the native does not get married > > > > > > > by/before age of 22 years then this may affect the eyes of the native > > > > > > > (blindness). Quote " Sanichar khana no. 7 wale ki shadi agar 22 sala > > > > > > > umar tak na ho toh uski nazar bebuniyad(andhapan) hogi " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the native > > > > > > > will lose track of his/her life i.e. what is good or bad? > > > > > > > > 2. If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the remedies? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good results. While > > > > > > > the referred statement is very strong in its nature and consequences are > > > > > > > severe. Hence, request scholars to kindly throw light on the subject. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > lklearn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 Respected Haindi ji, Thank you for being so generous towards me. I would like to add Shri Kulbir Bains too in the list. He is a very serious student of Lal Kitab and a very willing participant in discussions. Regards, Varun Trivedi , " lklearn " <haindi wrote: > > Respected Varun ji, > > Thanks for your reply. > > It's a real tragedy and unfortunate scenario. We all know that sharing knowledge increases our own knowledge. We memorize many concepts while teaching others, sharing experiences, correcting or getting corrected in interpretation/understanding, etc.etc.....Sun offers sunlight readily, a tree offers cool shade readily etc...... > > The purpose of Lal Kitab is clear that it has been written to benefit mankind. It becomes evident from the remedies suggested which are affordable even by the poor. So much thought must have gone in while writing/suggesting these remedies by the respected author who took atmost care to keep the cost low while keeping the effectiveness so high. > > Anyway, one finds happiness when one finds oasis in the desert: > 1. Respected Pandit Bhooshan Priya ji - Who answers every question asked by anybody. > 2. Respected S. Leekha ji - provides excellent & admirable analysis and simple remedies > 3. Respected Varun ji - You too conribute with great care, explanation and analysis. > 4. There are many other sincere students of Lal Kitab who contribute and deserve respect for their efforts. > > However, for those many who have knowledge we can only request for their active participation so that as students we could learn from them and reach a level to help/benefit mankind through Lal Kitab. > > With best regards, > lklearn > > > > > > > > > > , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > Respected Haindi ji, > > > > I do not think that any other Lal Kitab expert would respond to your request. > > > > It has been a tragedy with the Lal Kitab that those who understand the system never come forward to share their knowledge. It has been the main reason why the Lal Kitab remained so isolated, for so long, from the mainstream of Indian astrology. This isolation resulted in all kinds of weird whims and myths about the Lal Kitab paddhati; in most cases derogatory and damaging. > > > > It is only recently that a handful of LK students have made its presence felt on the internet. Again it is only recently, more and more people are getting interested in understanding this system; and, as a result, a large number of people are also getting benefited through the Lal Kitab paddhati. > > > > Regards, > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " lklearn " <haindi@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Varun ji and Respected Goel ji, > > > > > > Certainly, the subject is getting very interesting with your scholarly participation. > > > I cannot contribute much as I am still a student of Lal Kitab in the primary stage. But I am learning from your discussions and I thank you both for the same. > > > > > > Further, I invite our other forum member scholars/experts to enlighten students like us by their active participation. > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > lklearn > > > > > > , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Goel saheb, > > > > > > > > Since the Saturn placed in the 7th house would be 'be-buniyad' [without foundation] in the absence of a well established Venus, I had suggested that such a person should get Venus established in the form of either a cow or a maid servant so that a 'buniyad' is provided to the Saturn. > > > > > > > > Your interpretation that a maid servant is a karak of Mars could also be logically very appropriate. > > > > > > > > One of the upaya suggested for Saturn in the 7th, when the 1st house is unoccupied,is to establish honey [mars] at home. This upaya had been suggested to awaken the dormant saturn [dormant because the 1st house is unoccupied] > > > > > > > > With respect and regards, > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Trivedi ji, > > > > > You are right , any female represented by Venus , till her position is assigns > > > > > her to other planet. > > > > > To my understanding Maid should be represented by Mars. > > > > > Kindly think over. We will try to reach some consensus. > > > > > One thing is clear ,that when Saturn is placed in 7H , we have to think > > > > > over in what form Venus should be brought in , Jiva ,Moola or Dhatu. > > > > > Lal KItab Says that If Saturn is in 7H , with Mars and Venus , it produces good results. > > > > > I feel Marriage by 22 yrs a best way. Even If marriage is delayed , wife should > > > > > take the help of maid in household work for better results. > > > > > I am not very adept in Lal kitab , kindly do correct me. > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 20 February, 2010 12:53:51 PM > > > > > LK discussion group Re: Saturn in H7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Goel saheb, > > > > > > > > > > An unrelated lady is a karak of venus, unlike the mother [moon] sister,bua or mausi [mercury]. > > > > > > > > > > Therefore establishing a venus in the form of a maid servant till the marriage, when Venus gets formally installed, could be a possible upaya. > > > > > > > > > > It is not necessary that the maid servant is retained even after the marriage when the venus gets established thorugh marriage. > > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, a Dhai has a different connotation. A maid servant is not a Dhai. Dhai used to be half-mother who fed her milk to the new born child. Panna dhai is a classical character, we all have heard about. > > > > > > > > > > Regards and respect, > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > , Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Trivedi ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maid (in olden days called dhai ) is represented by Mars . > > > > > > As soon she becomes Venus , There will be problems . > > > > > > No doubt Saturn will get direction but may not be palatable > > > > > > for family in long run. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 20 February, 2010 10:50:44 AM > > > > > > LK discussion group Re: Saturn in H7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respeted Haindi ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > A venus would be considered established only if a lady comes to stay with the family permanently either as a wife or as a maid servant. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > , " lklearn " <haindi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Varun ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very nice explaination. I appreciate the details given by you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In short, the answer lies with Venus which signifies H7 i.e. spouse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As for remedies I have one query as follows: > > > > > > > Now a days (generally) a middle class family has a maid servant to do the small jobs at home like sweeping, cleaning/wiping the floor, cleaning/washing the utensils, etc. > > > > > > > The maid servant referred in your message is as above (part-time) or it is expected that the maid servant must stay with the native's family throughout. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once again thanks for your elaborate answer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > lklearn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Haindi ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have said: > > > > > > > > //[1] Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the native will lose track of his/her life i.e. what is good or bad?// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are very right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The statement can be taken to mean both literally and figuratively. > > > > > > > > Literally i.e. the jatak might have eye problem because both the house representing eyes 12th [left eye] and 2nd [right eye] are in 6-8 > > > > > > > > position from the Saturn placed in the 7th. Figuratively i.e. the Saturn as the lord of the 10th house Karm [profession] of the Cardinal Kundali[kal purush kundali] may not be able to give entire results unless the Venus [wife] is established before the age of the sun and the moon begins. If you notice the book says “dar asal shanishchar ki buniyad shukra hi hoga†[page 618;note # 5; 1952 Urdu ed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have said : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // [2] If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the > > > > > > > > remedies?// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One should establish Venus either by keeping a maid servant in the house or keeping a cow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good results.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As said earlier, Saturn will give good results so long as venus is well established. If the venus is not established the Saturn will be > > > > > > > > " be-buniyad�� " . Once the Saturn is be-buniyad, then expecting exalted results would be far cry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " lklearn " <haindi@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Saturn is H7 (birth chart) and the native does not get married > > > > > > > > by/before age of 22 years then this may affect the eyes of the native > > > > > > > > (blindness). Quote " Sanichar khana no. 7 wale ki shadi agar 22 sala > > > > > > > > umar tak na ho toh uski nazar bebuniyad(andhapan) hogi " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the native > > > > > > > > will lose track of his/her life i.e. what is good or bad? > > > > > > > > > 2. If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the remedies? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good results. While > > > > > > > > the referred statement is very strong in its nature and consequences are > > > > > > > > severe. Hence, request scholars to kindly throw light on the subject. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > lklearn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 Respected Varun ji, Yes, I do agree with you 100%. Respected Kulbir ji deserves that position of a very serious student and regret to have over looked the same. Regards, lklearn , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd wrote: > > Respected Haindi ji, > > Thank you for being so generous towards me. I would like to add Shri Kulbir Bains too in the list. He is a very serious student of Lal Kitab and a very willing participant in discussions. > > Regards, > > Varun Trivedi > > , " lklearn " <haindi@> wrote: > > > > Respected Varun ji, > > > > Thanks for your reply. > > > > It's a real tragedy and unfortunate scenario. We all know that sharing knowledge increases our own knowledge. We memorize many concepts while teaching others, sharing experiences, correcting or getting corrected in interpretation/understanding, etc.etc.....Sun offers sunlight readily, a tree offers cool shade readily etc...... > > > > The purpose of Lal Kitab is clear that it has been written to benefit mankind. It becomes evident from the remedies suggested which are affordable even by the poor. So much thought must have gone in while writing/suggesting these remedies by the respected author who took atmost care to keep the cost low while keeping the effectiveness so high. > > > > Anyway, one finds happiness when one finds oasis in the desert: > > 1. Respected Pandit Bhooshan Priya ji - Who answers every question asked by anybody. > > 2. Respected S. Leekha ji - provides excellent & admirable analysis and simple remedies > > 3. Respected Varun ji - You too conribute with great care, explanation and analysis. > > 4. There are many other sincere students of Lal Kitab who contribute and deserve respect for their efforts. > > > > However, for those many who have knowledge we can only request for their active participation so that as students we could learn from them and reach a level to help/benefit mankind through Lal Kitab. > > > > With best regards, > > lklearn > > > > , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Haindi ji, > > > > > > I do not think that any other Lal Kitab expert would respond to your request. > > > > > > It has been a tragedy with the Lal Kitab that those who understand the system never come forward to share their knowledge. It has been the main reason why the Lal Kitab remained so isolated, for so long, from the mainstream of Indian astrology. This isolation resulted in all kinds of weird whims and myths about the Lal Kitab paddhati; in most cases derogatory and damaging. > > > > > > It is only recently that a handful of LK students have made its presence felt on the internet. Again it is only recently, more and more people are getting interested in understanding this system; and, as a result, a large number of people are also getting benefited through the Lal Kitab paddhati. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > , " lklearn " <haindi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Varun ji and Respected Goel ji, > > > > > > > > Certainly, the subject is getting very interesting with your scholarly participation. > > > > I cannot contribute much as I am still a student of Lal Kitab in the primary stage. But I am learning from your discussions and I thank you both for the same. > > > > > > > > Further, I invite our other forum member scholars/experts to enlighten students like us by their active participation. > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > lklearn > > > > > > > > , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Respected Goel saheb, > > > > > > > > > > Since the Saturn placed in the 7th house would be 'be-buniyad' [without foundation] in the absence of a well established Venus, I had suggested that such a person should get Venus established in the form of either a cow or a maid servant so that a 'buniyad' is provided to the Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > Your interpretation that a maid servant is a karak of Mars could also be logically very appropriate. > > > > > > > > > > One of the upaya suggested for Saturn in the 7th, when the 1st house is unoccupied,is to establish honey [mars] at home. This upaya had been suggested to awaken the dormant saturn [dormant because the 1st house is unoccupied] > > > > > > > > > > With respect and regards, > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > , Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Trivedi ji, > > > > > > You are right , any female represented by Venus , till her position is assigns > > > > > > her to other planet. > > > > > > To my understanding Maid should be represented by Mars. > > > > > > Kindly think over. We will try to reach some consensus. > > > > > > One thing is clear ,that when Saturn is placed in 7H , we have to think > > > > > > over in what form Venus should be brought in , Jiva ,Moola or Dhatu. > > > > > > Lal KItab Says that If Saturn is in 7H , with Mars and Venus , it produces good results. > > > > > > I feel Marriage by 22 yrs a best way. Even If marriage is delayed , wife should > > > > > > take the help of maid in household work for better results. > > > > > > I am not very adept in Lal kitab , kindly do correct me. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 20 February, 2010 12:53:51 PM > > > > > > LK discussion group Re: Saturn in H7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Goel saheb, > > > > > > > > > > > > An unrelated lady is a karak of venus, unlike the mother [moon] sister,bua or mausi [mercury]. > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore establishing a venus in the form of a maid servant till the marriage, when Venus gets formally installed, could be a possible upaya. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is not necessary that the maid servant is retained even after the marriage when the venus gets established thorugh marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, a Dhai has a different connotation. A maid servant is not a Dhai. Dhai used to be half-mother who fed her milk to the new born child. Panna dhai is a classical character, we all have heard about. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards and respect, > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > , Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Trivedi ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maid (in olden days called dhai ) is represented by Mars . > > > > > > > As soon she becomes Venus , There will be problems . > > > > > > > No doubt Saturn will get direction but may not be palatable > > > > > > > for family in long run. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > > > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > > > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > > > > > INDIA > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > varun_trvd <varun_trvd@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sat, 20 February, 2010 10:50:44 AM > > > > > > > LK discussion group Re: Saturn in H7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respeted Haindi ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A venus would be considered established only if a lady comes to stay with the family permanently either as a wife or as a maid servant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " lklearn " <haindi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Varun ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very nice explaination. I appreciate the details given by you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In short, the answer lies with Venus which signifies H7 i.e. spouse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As for remedies I have one query as follows: > > > > > > > > Now a days (generally) a middle class family has a maid servant to do the small jobs at home like sweeping, cleaning/wiping the floor, cleaning/washing the utensils, etc. > > > > > > > > The maid servant referred in your message is as above (part-time) or it is expected that the maid servant must stay with the native's family throughout. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once again thanks for your elaborate answer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > lklearn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Haindi ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have said: > > > > > > > > > //[1] Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the native will lose track of his/her life i.e. what is good or bad?// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are very right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The statement can be taken to mean both literally and figuratively. > > > > > > > > > Literally i.e. the jatak might have eye problem because both the house representing eyes 12th [left eye] and 2nd [right eye] are in 6-8 > > > > > > > > > position from the Saturn placed in the 7th. Figuratively i.e. the Saturn as the lord of the 10th house Karm [profession] of the Cardinal Kundali[kal purush kundali] may not be able to give entire results unless the Venus [wife] is established before the age of the sun and the moon begins. If you notice the book says “dar asal shanishchar ki buniyad shukra hi hoga†[page 618;note # 5; 1952 Urdu ed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have said : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // [2] If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the > > > > > > > > > remedies?// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One should establish Venus either by keeping a maid servant in the house or keeping a cow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good results.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As said earlier, Saturn will give good results so long as venus is well established. If the venus is not established the Saturn will be > > > > > > > > > " be-buniyad�� " . Once the Saturn is be-buniyad, then expecting exalted results would be far cry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " lklearn " <haindi@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If Saturn is H7 (birth chart) and the native does not get married > > > > > > > > > by/before age of 22 years then this may affect the eyes of the native > > > > > > > > > (blindness). Quote " Sanichar khana no. 7 wale ki shadi agar 22 sala > > > > > > > > > umar tak na ho toh uski nazar bebuniyad(andhapan) hogi " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the native > > > > > > > > > will lose track of his/her life i.e. what is good or bad? > > > > > > > > > > 2. If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the remedies? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good results. While > > > > > > > > > the referred statement is very strong in its nature and consequences are > > > > > > > > > severe. Hence, request scholars to kindly throw light on the subject. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > lklearn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in./ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 Respected Sir, There is no need for upay for Saturn in 7th because of Kalpurash ki Rashi mein Tula Rashi aati hai or Saturn Giving good results at the age of 36-41 only if venus is placed in 2,4,5,10,11,12. or if we have do upay tambey ka paisa with hole in neck in gold chain. Regards RK , Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote: > > Dear Trivedi ji, > > > Maid (in olden days called dhai ) is represented by Mars . > As soon she becomes Venus , There will be problems . > No doubt Saturn will get direction but may not be palatable > for family in long run. > > > > G.K.GOEL > Ph: 09350311433 > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > NEW DELHI-110 076 > INDIA > > > > > ________________________________ > varun_trvd <varun_trvd > > Sat, 20 February, 2010 10:50:44 AM > LK discussion group Re: Saturn in H7 > > > Respeted Haindi ji, > > A venus would be considered established only if a lady comes to stay with the family permanently either as a wife or as a maid servant. > > Regards, > > Varun Trivedi > > , " lklearn " <haindi@> wrote: > > > > Respected Varun ji, > > > > Very nice explaination. I appreciate the details given by you. > > > > In short, the answer lies with Venus which signifies H7 i.e. spouse. > > > > As for remedies I have one query as follows: > > Now a days (generally) a middle class family has a maid servant to do the small jobs at home like sweeping, cleaning/wiping the floor, cleaning/washing the utensils, etc. > > The maid servant referred in your message is as above (part-time) or it is expected that the maid servant must stay with the native's family throughout. > > > > Once again thanks for your elaborate answer. > > > > Regards, > > lklearn > > > > , " varun_trvd " <varun_trvd@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Respected Haindi ji, > > > > You have said: > > > //[1] Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the native will lose track of his/her life i.e. what is good or bad?// > > > > > You are very right. > > > > > The statement can be taken to mean both literally and figuratively. > > > Literally i.e. the jatak might have eye problem because both the house representing eyes 12th [left eye] and 2nd [right eye] are in 6-8 > > > position from the Saturn placed in the 7th. Figuratively i.e. the Saturn as the lord of the 10th house Karm [profession] of the Cardinal Kundali[kal purush kundali] may not be able to give entire results unless the Venus [wife] is established before the age of the sun and the moon begins. If you notice the book says “dar asal shanishchar ki buniyad shukra hi hoga†[page 618;note # 5; 1952 Urdu ed] > > > > > > You have said : > > > > > > // [2] If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the > > > remedies?// > > > > > One should establish Venus either by keeping a maid servant in the house or keeping a cow. > > > > > > You have said: > > > > > //Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good results.// > > > > > > As said earlier, Saturn will give good results so long as venus is well established. If the venus is not established the Saturn will be > > > " be-buniyad�� " . Once the Saturn is be-buniyad, then expecting exalted results would be far cry. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Varun Trivedi > > > > > > > > > , " lklearn " <haindi@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > If Saturn is H7 (birth chart) and the native does not get married > > > by/before age of 22 years then this may affect the eyes of the native > > > (blindness). Quote " Sanichar khana no. 7 wale ki shadi agar 22 sala > > > umar tak na ho toh uski nazar bebuniyad(andhapan) hogi " > > > > > > > > 1. Does this mean that the native will lose eyesight or the native > > > will lose track of his/her life i.e. what is good or bad? > > > > 2. If unmarried after 22years of age then what could be the remedies? > > > > > > > > Also, Saturn is exalted in H7 then it should give good results. While > > > the referred statement is very strong in its nature and consequences are > > > severe. Hence, request scholars to kindly throw light on the subject. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > lklearn > > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads./in/internetexplorer/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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